OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Red Sox trash talking thread

[pakalolo2]

Now it makes sense. Especially the dwelling on two seasons ago part.

That chant sucks.


This from a fan base that chanted 1918 for 86 years. Sorry for dwelling on the past there, Mark.

[pakalolo2]

pakalolo2 -

1. Do you think maybe Ortiz could work on improving his defense at one of baseball's easiest positions to give his manager enough faith in him to use him in the field more than ten games per year (likely interleague games where he had no choice)?

2. Note that I said that Jeter "helped" keep the ship afloat when Boston should have been padding their division lead. Don't make up arguments to win.

3. It's legitimate news from the front page of ESPN.com - someone else would've posted it if I didn't...



1. I think Papi does just fine at 1b, but seeing Youkilis does better at that position, as a supposed educated sports fan, who would you play? You said earlier about resting Varitek. I thought he did rest every 5th day.

2.Yes you said Jeter "helped". I said he had a lot of "help" around him. Nothing made up here.

3. Please. You're embarrasing yourself.

[Bronx Bombers]

^^Not to mention two 17 game winners and also a 13 and 10.

[Mavrik28]

This from a fan base that chanted 1918 for 86 years. Sorry for dwelling on the past there, Mark.

I truely doubt that Yankees fans in 1919 were chanting "1918" at Yanks/Sawx games.

[TastySweetNutz]

Ortiz is a bum, enough said.
AL MVP at this point should be Johan Santana with Jeter a close second.

[Mark Weber]

This from a fan base that chanted 1918 for 86 years. Sorry for dwelling on the past there, Mark.

The difference being making fun of 86 years of failure and a four-game choke in the ALCS that happened two seasons ago. I get it, that's what you've got right now. I'd probably cling to it in your shoes too. Have fun explaining your chant.

[pakalolo2]

The difference being making fun of 86 years of failure and a four-game choke in the ALCS that happened two seasons ago. I get it, that's what you've got right now. I'd probably cling to it in your shoes too. Have fun explaining your chant.


Thanks for clearing that up Mark!

[Mark Weber]

1. I think Papi does just fine at 1b, but seeing Youkilis does better at that position, as a supposed educated sports fan, who would you play? You said earlier about resting Varitek. I thought he did rest every 5th day.

2.Yes you said Jeter "helped". I said he had a lot of "help" around him. Nothing made up here.

3. Please. You're embarrasing yourself.

For all first baseman who played at least 100 innings in the field in all of Major League Baseball (68 players), David Ortiz had the second-worst fielding percentage. You can send Conor Jackson a thank you card for keeping Ortiz off the very bottom of the list. If that's "just fine" for you then you've got low standards. If Ortiz was even tolerable at first base, I'd have kept Youkilis at third base (as an educated sports fan, you must know that Youkilis came up through the system as a third baseman) and not made the Josh Beckett trade. Boston could have used the money they wouldn't be paying Mike Lowell and Josh Beckett to keep Johnny Damon in center field.

Varitek was resting every fifth day and his knees still gave out. You're paying him ten million dollars for each of the next two seasons - do you think this 34-year-old catcher is going to be MORE durable coming off a knee injury the next two years?

Your second and third attempted points don't even make sense. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond.

[Mark Weber]

I'm happy I could find my "Ortiz the Butcher" post - it was from April 26th:


Actually, Ortiz has played 1B 89 times since joining the Sox back in 2003. Here's the breakdown:

2003: 45 games at first
2004: 34 games at first
2005: 10 games at first

If you're wondering why the trend is moving downward, consider this: Here are the fielding averages for every first baseman who played 100 or more innings at first base in 2005:

1.000 – Tomas Perez
1.000 – Ryan Shealy
1.000 – Nick Swisher
1.000 – Jim Thome
1.000 – Jeff Bagwell
1.000 – Jason Phillips
1.000 – Casey Kotchman
1.000 – Aubrey Huff
.998 – Sean Casey
.998 – Olmedo Saenz
.998 – Mike Sweeney
.998 – Mark Teixeira
.998 – John Olerud
.997 – Tony Clark
.997 – J.T. Snow
.997 – Hee Seop Choi
.997 – Darin Erstad
.996 – Travis Lee
.996 – Todd Helton
.996 – Paul Konerko
.996 – Nick Johnson
.996 – Derrek Lee
.996 – Chad Tracy
.995 – Richie Sexson
.995 – Rafael Palmeiro
.995 – Jose Hernandez
.995 – Doug Mientkiewicz
.995 – Brad Wilkerson
.994 – Phil Nevin
.994 – Lance Berkman
.994 – Justin Morneau
.994 – Jay Gibbons
.994 – Daryle Ward
.994 – Dan Johnson
.994 – Adam LaRoche
.993 – Tony Graffanino
.993 – Ryan Howard
.993 – Matt Stairs
.993 – Eric Hinske
.993 – Eduardo Perez
.993 – Chris Shelton
.993 – Chris Gomez
.993 – Carlos Pena
.992 – Robert Fick
.992 – Lyle Overbay
.992 – Kevin Millar
.992 – Ben Broussard
.992 – B.J. Surhoff
.992 – Albert Pujols
.991 – Wes Helms
.991 – Tino Martinez
.991 – Shea Hillenbrand
.991 – Lance Niekro
.991 – Chris Woodward
.990 – Marlon Anderson
.990 – Julio Franco
.990 – Dmitri Young
.989 – Mike Lamb
.989 – Carlos Delgado
.988 – Mark Sweeney
.988 – Jason Giambi
.986 – Xavier Nady
.986 – Matt LeCroy
.985 –Adam Dunn
.985 – Scott Hatteberg
.985 – Jeff Conine
.985 – Brad Eldred
.984 – Mike Jacobs
.978 – Justin Huber
.976 – David Ortiz
.973 – Conor Jackson

I'll never forgive Conor Jackson for ruining my perfect argument. As it stands, Ortiz ranked 67th of 68 guys playing first base across the big leagues in 2005. That says a LOT, no matter how nice a throw he made in the World Series two years ago.

Ortiz is one of the game's most dangerous hitters, a tremendously positive clubhouse presence, by all accounts a very nice guy, and an absolute butcher on defense that limits the versatility of an aging team who would benefit from a DH spot they could share.

[Mark Weber]

I'm particularly proud of the "limits the versatility of an aging team who would benefit from a DH spot they could share" line, since I made the post in late April, well before Trot Nixon, Jason Varitek, and Manny Ramirez all missed time with injuries...

[pakalolo2]

?

Your second and third attempted points don't even make sense. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to respond.


You could respond by saying "yeah, this was a jab at Papi and the Sox and perhaps it does belong in my little trash talk thread" . I would have much more respect for you if you would have just admited that. The whole "this was on ESPN and anyone could have posted" comment was lame.

[pakalolo2]

. Have fun explaining your chant.

By the way, who is chanting? 2004...in a row is a T-shirt, just like the "Jeter has AIDS" and "Jeter sucks A-Rod" and many like it seen around Fenway. These are made to get under the skin of Yankee fans, and by the looks of it, they work. Look at all the time, energy, and research you put in to this thread. Thanks, it's been fun!

[Thoughtful]

I think this argument can be distilled down to these points:

1. David Ortiz is a great hitter but not a great athlete and as such is not asked to play defense.

2. A philosophical divide exists as to whether a one way player such as Ortiz should be considered for the MVP award.

I don't think this philosophical divide can ever be bridged. I just wish MLB had never adopted the DH rule. If I wanted to watch lead-footed non-athletes I would go watch guys play in the local softball leagues.

[mgratton]

I'm happy I could find my "Ortiz the Butcher" post - it was from April 26th:


Actually, Ortiz has played 1B 89 times since joining the Sox back in 2003. Here's the breakdown:

2003: 45 games at first
2004: 34 games at first
2005: 10 games at first

If you're wondering why the trend is moving downward, consider this: Here are the fielding averages for every first baseman who played 100 or more innings at first base in 2005:

1.000 – Tomas Perez
1.000 – Ryan Shealy
1.000 – Nick Swisher
1.000 – Jim Thome
1.000 – Jeff Bagwell
1.000 – Jason Phillips
1.000 – Casey Kotchman
1.000 – Aubrey Huff
.998 – Sean Casey
.998 – Olmedo Saenz
.998 – Mike Sweeney
.998 – Mark Teixeira
.998 – John Olerud
.997 – Tony Clark
.997 – J.T. Snow
.997 – Hee Seop Choi
.997 – Darin Erstad
.996 – Travis Lee
.996 – Todd Helton
.996 – Paul Konerko
.996 – Nick Johnson
.996 – Derrek Lee
.996 – Chad Tracy
.995 – Richie Sexson
.995 – Rafael Palmeiro
.995 – Jose Hernandez
.995 – Doug Mientkiewicz
.995 – Brad Wilkerson
.994 – Phil Nevin
.994 – Lance Berkman
.994 – Justin Morneau
.994 – Jay Gibbons
.994 – Daryle Ward
.994 – Dan Johnson
.994 – Adam LaRoche
.993 – Tony Graffanino
.993 – Ryan Howard
.993 – Matt Stairs
.993 – Eric Hinske
.993 – Eduardo Perez
.993 – Chris Shelton
.993 – Chris Gomez
.993 – Carlos Pena
.992 – Robert Fick
.992 – Lyle Overbay
.992 – Kevin Millar
.992 – Ben Broussard
.992 – B.J. Surhoff
.992 – Albert Pujols
.991 – Wes Helms
.991 – Tino Martinez
.991 – Shea Hillenbrand
.991 – Lance Niekro
.991 – Chris Woodward
.990 – Marlon Anderson
.990 – Julio Franco
.990 – Dmitri Young
.989 – Mike Lamb
.989 – Carlos Delgado
.988 – Mark Sweeney
.988 – Jason Giambi
.986 – Xavier Nady
.986 – Matt LeCroy
.985 –Adam Dunn
.985 – Scott Hatteberg
.985 – Jeff Conine
.985 – Brad Eldred
.984 – Mike Jacobs
.978 – Justin Huber
.976 – David Ortiz
.973 – Conor Jackson

I'll never forgive Conor Jackson for ruining my perfect argument. As it stands, Ortiz ranked 67th of 68 guys playing first base across the big leagues in 2005. That says a LOT, no matter how nice a throw he made in the World Series two years ago.

Ortiz is one of the game's most dangerous hitters, a tremendously positive clubhouse presence, by all accounts a very nice guy, and an absolute butcher on defense that limits the versatility of an aging team who would benefit from a DH spot they could share.

Ortiz didn't play 100 innings in the field in 2005.

[Hardcore Legend]

Ortiz didn't play 100 innings in the field in 2005.

He has clarified that in the past.

[Mark Weber]

Ortiz didn't play 100 innings in the field in 2005.

My point was to compare Ortiz's defensive skills to other "regular" first basemen across MLB.

[Mark Weber]

By the way, who is chanting? 2004...in a row is a T-shirt, just like the "Jeter has AIDS" and "Jeter sucks A-Rod" and many like it seen around Fenway. These are made to get under the skin of Yankee fans, and by the looks of it, they work. Look at all the time, energy, and research you put in to this thread. Thanks, it's been fun!

You must be new here. 2004...in a row isn't terribly creative, but at least it isn't embarrassing. "Jeter has AIDS" and "Jeter sucks A-Rod" shirts showcase the maturity level and the inferiority complex some Red Sox fans have. If you want to see "time, energy and research" check out the trash talking thread - you'll learn a lot. Under my skin? From ten games back? Hardly.

[mgratton]

My point was to compare Ortiz's defensive skills to other "regular" first basemen across MLB.

100 innings is hardly a "regular" first baseman. It seems like a pretty arbitrary point, and one that Ortiz didn't even reach. That's only about 11 or 12 games at first base.

Plus, if you think Conon Jackson ruined your "perfect argument". you may as well include Jose Vizcaino as well, who had a lower fielding PCT last year in about the same amount of innings as Ortiz.

[pakalolo2]

You must be new here. 2004...in a row isn't terribly creative, but at least it isn't embarrassing. "Jeter has AIDS" and "Jeter sucks A-Rod" shirts showcase the maturity level and the inferiority complex some Red Sox fans have. If you want to see "time, energy and research" check out the trash talking thread - you'll learn a lot. Under my skin? From ten games back? Hardly.


Not that new here actually. I've had problems with my old screen name (pakalolo) and tried to get that resolved by e-mailing you a long time ago, with no response, so I made up a new one. I guess you were too busy making talk trashing threads.I didn't think it would matter, but I guess its important to you. As far as maturity? Go to Yankee stadium and look at some of their shirts. Very imature...and funny. It just doesn't get under my skin. Learn a lot by going to your little thread? Nah. Now go and waste some more time by responding to me. And the next time you ***** at people and their internet/sandbox/ *****ing...look in the mirror.

[Mark Weber]

I'm sorry that I didn't respond to your e-mail - I've built a reputation quick e-mail responses so I have no idea what happened to your request. E-mail me again if you like and I'll get your original account straightened out no problem.

The difference between our disagreement and the "sandbox wars" I mediate is that I haven't made it personal on any level besides disagreeing with some of your sports opinions. You think "Papi does just fine" at first base, when stats show him to be the second-worst fielding first baseman in all of baseball last season. That's a disagreement, not a "***** thread" or a "sandbox war." Since we're returning serve, I'll move this thread to the trash talking thread - we can certainly continue our discussion there.

[Mark Weber]

100 innings is hardly a "regular" first baseman. It seems like a pretty arbitrary point, and one that Ortiz didn't even reach. That's only about 11 or 12 games at first base.

Plus, if you think Conon Jackson ruined your "perfect argument". you may as well include Jose Vizcaino as well, who had a lower fielding PCT last year in about the same amount of innings as Ortiz.

I picked 100 innings as an easy-to-sort mark and to illustrate that I was making a point - and not skewing the data to make Ortiz look even worse. I suppose I could re-run the numbers and see how many more players were better fielding first basemen than Ortiz last year, if you think that somehow changes the argument or the relevance of Ortiz's .976 fielding percentage.

[NYHoustonman]

Reaffirm what? I've been kicking the Red Sox all year in the trash talking thread. In case you missed it:

The 2006 World Champion Boston Red Sox

C: Jason Varitek (hitting .241 with 12 HR and 52 RBI in 320 at-bats)
1B: Kevin Youkilis (hitting .284 with 13 HR, 66 RBI, a .385 OBP and a .432 SLG)
2B: Freddy Sanchez (hiting .340 with 6 HR, 72 RBI, a .377 OBP and a .472 SLG)
SS: Hanley Ramirez (hitting .286 w/ 13 HR, 49 RBI, 47 SB, a .353 OBP & a .459 SLG)
3B: Andy Marte (hitting .225 with 11 2B, 2 HR, 15 RBI in 111 at-bats)
LF: Manny Ramirez (hitting .318 with 34 HR, 101 RBI, a .436 OBP and a .612 SLG)
CF: Johnny Damon (hitting .298 with 22 HR, 76 RBI, 24 SB, a .368 OBP & a .501 SLG)
RF: Trot Nixon (hitting .287 with 7 HR and 48 RBI in 327 at-bats)
DH: David Ortiz (hitting .288 with 48 HR, 127 RBI, a .402 OBP and a .633 SLG)

SP: Curt Schilling (14-7 with 171 K's in 192 IP, 1.20 WHIP and a 4.13 ERA)
SP: Jonathan Papelbon (4-2 with 35 saves, 75 Ks in 68 IP, 0.78 WHIP and 0.92 ERA)
SP: Tim Wakefield (7-8 with a 1.25 WHIP and a 4.14 ERA)
SP: Bronson Arroyo (13-9 with a 1.18 WHIP and a 3.29 ERA)
SP: Anibal Sanchez (7-2 with a 1.19 WHIP and a 2.89 ERA in 14 starts)

RP: Mike Timlin (6-5 with 4 saves, 21 holds, 1.38 WHIP and 3.97 ERA)
RP: Mike Myers (1-1 with 13 holds, 21 K in 26 IP, 1.24 WHIP and a 1.24 ERA)
RP: Mike Gonzalez (3-4 with 24 saves, 64 K in 54 IP, 1.35 WHIP and a 2.17 ERA)
RP: Jon Lester (7-2 with 1.65 WHIP and a 4.76 ERA)
RP: Keith Foulke (2-1 with 10 holds, 1.27 WHIP and 5.27 ERA)

CL: Cla Meredith (5-1 with 10 holds, 0.64 WHIP and a 0.69 ERA)

That's assuming Boston doesn't make the Jeff Suppan, Josh Beckett, Coco Crisp and Wily Mo Pena deals, and uses the money saved on the Beckett contract to re-sign Johnny Damon.

And for the millionth time, hindsight is 20/20. NOBODY (that I know of) complained about the moves when they happened... hell, I was ecstatic that we got a potential Cy Young winner in Beckett. Seeing as I've already gone over my response to this twice, I'm not doing it again.

I agree with you 100% and the way everyone goes on about how the Red Sox have been hit so hard by the injury bug is laughable. They have played without two of their best hitters for most of the year and had A-Rod go through a pretty bad time and they still found away to"CATCH" the Red Sox. Remember everyone, they caught the Red Sox and that was before the Sox started to get hit by the injury bug.

Also, Ortiz doesn't seem to mention that he arguably has the best protection any powere hitter has hitting behing him in Manny. Manny stats are nearly as good and they started to really go in the toilet when Manny was hurt.

You need to be incredibly biased/stupid to think that the Yankees' injuries were half as bad as those of the Sox. I've already been over why I think the Yankees' injuries weren't that bad; their offense is still a powerhouse without the likes of Sheffield and Matsui, and plus you got Abreu because of them. On the other hand, the Red Sox had injuries to 3 of their 5 (expected) starters coming into the season, an injury to Nixon at the worst possible time (if he had been injured a week earlier the Sox would probably have Abreu right now, from what I've read), and the obvious missed time by the likes of Ortiz, Manny (both better hitters than anyone in the Yankee lineup, and we saw how many runs the Sox scored without them), Gonzalez, Pena, Varitek (again, we all saw the effect his injury had), not to mention Keith Foulke missing much of the season, along with, more recently, Papelbon going down (Timlin closing? ech).

You must be new here. 2004...in a row isn't terribly creative, but at least it isn't embarrassing. "Jeter has AIDS" and "Jeter sucks A-Rod" shirts showcase the maturity level and the inferiority complex some Red Sox fans have. If you want to see "time, energy and research" check out the trash talking thread - you'll learn a lot. Under my skin? From ten games back? Hardly.

Living in New York I can tell you first hand that many (if not most) of the Yankee fans I know are just as bad; surely you realize this.





On the topic of Ortiz winning MVP, as others have said, that certainly doesn't sound like something Papi would say. He has a reputation as an easygoing guy; I would suspect that he was prompted to respond, and that the whole Sox collapse/him not winning either of the last two years when he had a very legitimate shot pissed him off a little bit. I mean, in his shoes, I would be very annoyed if the media constantly tried to trivialize what I had accomplished the past few years merely because I don't play in the field. He was more valuable than anyone in the AL for 1.5 seasons, IMHO.

As far as MVP snubs go, yea, okay, ARod could have won a couple more, but look at Manny. He hasn't won a single MVP. Not one! Considering he's been the best right-handed hitter in the AL the past several seasons that is sort of surprising.

Assuming the Twins make the playoffs (a big assumption, to be sure), I think the MVP has to be Morneau. Dye has more protection in that White Sox lineup than people tend to realize, and (let's be honest here) while Jeter has been the most consistent Yankee this year, he hasn't necessarily been the 'best' statistically over any stretch of time.

[BlakChamber]

Well, I guess I underestimated the Yankee fans intelligence. As a response to the 1918 chants, some Sox fans have come up with their own; 2004.. in a row. Just in case you may have forgotten, the last time Boston played NYY in the ALCS, the Yankees were up 3-0, then Boston won 4 in a row, and this happened in 2004. 2004 (the year) in a row (wins the Sox won over the Yankees).

Thanks for clearing it up.

And no offense, but that is really dumb.

[Mark Weber]

You need to be incredibly biased/stupid to think that the Yankees' injuries were half as bad as those of the Sox. I've already been over why I think the Yankees' injuries weren't that bad; their offense is still a powerhouse without the likes of Sheffield and Matsui, and plus you got Abreu because of them. On the other hand, the Red Sox had injuries to 3 of their 5 (expected) starters coming into the season, an injury to Nixon at the worst possible time (if he had been injured a week earlier the Sox would probably have Abreu right now, from what I've read), and the obvious missed time by the likes of Ortiz, Manny (both better hitters than anyone in the Yankee lineup, and we saw how many runs the Sox scored without them), Gonzalez, Pena, Varitek (again, we all saw the effect his injury had), not to mention Keith Foulke missing much of the season, along with, more recently, Papelbon going down (Timlin closing? ech).

If we're going to compare injuries this season, make sure to remember Carl Pavano has missed the entire year and Robinson Cano missed over a month as well. The injuries that killed Boston's division hopes were Tim Wakefield, Jason Varitek and Trot Nixon. The Sox were up either a half or a full game when those three guys went down with injury. By the time Manny hobbled out of the lineup and Ortiz missed time with his heart condition, Boston was 6.5 and 7 games out respectively. Varitek was key to the psyche of the pitching staff, though he was only hitting around .235 when he got injured. Wakefield was 7-8 when he went on the DL, and Trot Nixon gets hurt EVERY YEAR so you can't tell me Boston didn't expect Nixon to get hurt sooner or later, especially since they traded Arroyo for Pena earlier in the season. By the time Gonzalez and Papelbon got hurt the season was essentially over anyway.

The truth of it is, Boston should have stretched their division lead more when New York was scuffling to replace Matsui and Sheffield earlier in the season.

[Tanner2126]

The truth of it is, Boston should have stretched their division lead more when New York was scuffling to replace Matsui and Sheffield earlier in the season.

They couldnt because Jeter was to busy playing like an MVP! :D

[NYHoustonman]

The truth of it is, Boston should have stretched their division lead more when New York was scuffling to replace Matsui and Sheffield earlier in the season.

And, as I said before, they played .600+ ball most of the season until this recent collapse (injuries, etc.). To blame the Sox for not playing .650 instead of a mere .620 is ludicrous. The fact is, even without Shef and Matsui, the Yankees have now scored the most runs in the majors (and even before the acquisition of Abreu they were around 3rd). Either their absence didn't make a huge difference or they did and the Yankees should have run away with the division - either way, you can't fault the Sox for not staying ahead (until August that is). For a great deal of this collapse the Sox have had 2 of their 5 starters healthy, with guys like Lester (good, but not quite ready), Gabbard, Snyder, etc., filling in... that's simply not going to cut it.

[SharpyDave]

Don't forget it wasn't just Matsui and Sheffield hurt. Cano, Rivera, Mussina, Sturtze, Pavano, Giambi, Crosby, Phillips, Cairo, Dotel, Damon have all been hurt throughout the season.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

LOL @ "Pavano". Boy, you guys are really reaching here. The Red Sox had their five best hitters out of the line-up at the same time for almost a week, the Yankees haven't had anything close to that happen the entire season.

[Therman Merman]

LOL @ "Pavano". Boy, you guys are really reaching here. The Red Sox had their five best hitters out of the line-up at the same time for almost a week, the Yankees haven't had anything close to that happen the entire season.LOL. Yeah, you can't add Pavano into the mix because he's a turd. He's useless. And this is from a Yankees fan.

But Notorious, the point Mark is trying to make, and the thing that gets lost on most Sox fans, is that the sudden rash of injuries occured after the Sox were all but out of contention. During the 5 game sweep, the only regulars not playing were Nixon, Varitek, and Wakefield. Otherwise, it was the team they planned to go to battle with.

[Bronx Bombers]

LOL @ "Pavano". Boy, you guys are really reaching here. The Red Sox had their five best hitters out of the line-up at the same time for almost a week, the Yankees haven't had anything close to that happen the entire season.



When that happend they were what 10 games back, give me a break:rolleyes:

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post but my intention wasn't to make excuses for the Red Sox, it was to simply point out to Yankee fans (SharpyDave in particular) that the Sheffield/Matsui injuries aren't legitimate excuses. There was no drop-off in overall team offensive production after they were hurt, so how could you use those injuries as a crutch?

[Therman Merman]

Oh, I don't think they're used as a crutch. (At least not by me) I think most Yankees fans refer to those two injuries in a response to Sox fans claiming that their injuries were the sole reason they collapsed. The fact that the offensive production didn't drop-off has more to do with the Yankees being a solid team 1-9. They were clearly better than the Red Sox when it came to absorbing injuries. But the injury excuse form Red Sox Nation is tired and with very little validity.

[SharpyDave]

Yankee fans never made excuses when Sheff/Masui were hurt because Jeter stepped up his play as did Cabrera and Wang.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Who needs to make excuses when you can take on $30 million in salary in the middle of a season to bolster your line-up? ;)

[Therman Merman]

That's true, but no worse than wasting $55mil on a injury prone National League pitcher, eh VC?:p

[Mavrik28]

Sure the Red Sox sucked wind, but how bad were the Blue Jays in that same stretch? They can't even get past the Red Sox.

[Mark Weber]

LOL @ "Pavano". Boy, you guys are really reaching here. The Red Sox had their five best hitters out of the line-up at the same time for almost a week, the Yankees haven't had anything close to that happen the entire season.

If Boston fans want sympathy for the injuries to Matt Clement and David Wells this season then they need to consider Pavano as well. Their third- and fourth-best hitters for FOUR MONTHS and overcame it, so don't sing me a song about Boston's tough week. Their collapse started long before Ortiz and Ramirez were pulled from the lineup - 8-18 in the 26 games before Manny's knee forced him out...

[Mark Weber]

100 innings is hardly a "regular" first baseman. It seems like a pretty arbitrary point, and one that Ortiz didn't even reach. That's only about 11 or 12 games at first base.

Plus, if you think Conon Jackson ruined your "perfect argument". you may as well include Jose Vizcaino as well, who had a lower fielding PCT last year in about the same amount of innings as Ortiz.

This is my point exactly - Ortiz isn't a "regular" first baseman because his iron glove won't allow it. I re-ran the numbers and factored in every first baseman who played at least 78 innings of first base in 2005 (David Ortiz played 78 innings in the field). By adding in the nine players (Joe McEwing, Jeff Kent, Carlos Baerga, Craig Wilson, Pedro Feliz, Alejandro Freire, Geoff Blum, Ross Gload & Terry Tiffee) who caught between 78-100 innings at first base in 2005, it changes Ortiz's ranking - he's still second-worst to Conor Jackson, but ranks 76th out of 77 big league first baseman who played at least 78 innings in the field in 2005.

1.000 --Tomas Perez
1.000 – Ryan Shealy
1.000 – Nick Swisher
1.000 – Joe McEwing
1.000 – Jim Thome
1.000 – Jeff Bagwell
1.000 – Jason Phillips
1.000 – Casey Kotchman
1.000 – Aubrey Huff
1.000 – Geoff Blum
.998 – Sean Casey
.998 – Olmedo Saenz
.998 – Mike Sweeney
.998 – Mark Teixeira
.998 – John Olerud
.997 – Tony Clark
.997 – J.T. Snow
.997 – Hee Seop Choi
.997 – Darin Erstad
.996 – Travis Lee
.996 – Todd Helton
.996 – Paul Konerko
.996 – Nick Johnson
.996 – Derrek Lee
.996 – Chad Tracy
.995 – Richie Sexson
.995 – Rafael Palmeiro
.995 – Jose Hernandez
.995 – Doug Mientkiewicz
.995 – Brad Wilkerson
.994 – Phil Nevin
.994 – Lance Berkman
.994 – Justin Morneau
.994 – Jay Gibbons
.994 – Daryle Ward
.994 – Dan Johnson
.994 – Adam LaRoche
.993 – Tony Graffanino
.993 – Ryan Howard
.993 – Matt Stairs
.993 – Eric Hinske
.993 – Eduardo Perez
.993 – Chris Shelton
.993 – Chris Gomez
.993 – Carlos Pena
.992 – Robert Fick
.992 – Lyle Overbay
.992 – Kevin Millar
.992 – Ben Broussard
.992 – B.J. Surhoff
.992 – Albert Pujols
.991 – Wes Helms
.991 – Alejandro Freire
.991 – Tino Martinez
.991 – Shea Hillenbrand
.991 – Lance Niekro
.991 – Chris Woodward
.990 – Marlon Anderson
.990 – Julio Franco
.990 – Terry Tiffee
.990 – Dmitri Young
.989 – Mike Lamb
.989 – Craig Wilson
.989 – Carlos Delgado
.988 – Pedro Feliz
.988 – Mark Sweeney
.988 – Jason Giambi
.987 – Ross Gload
.986 – Xavier Nady
.986 – Matt LeCroy
.985 –Adam Dunn
.985 – Scott Hatteberg
.985 – Jeff Conine
.985 – Brad Eldred
.985 Carlos Baerga
.984 – Mike Jacobs
.980 – Jeff Kent
.978 – Justin Huber
.976 – David Ortiz
.973 – Conor Jackson

[BurningSoul]

hey mark since the thread has become a forum for how ortiz plays defense. Why dont you take a minute to dissect your reigning MVP's third sack performance this season. Nice throws and perfect footing on those throws to first. What about When Jeter is batting, and a pitch is on the outside black , does he not bend his ass out showing it off to whomever is on deck, I think your next hitter (behind) jeter is ***-Rod ( with his blond tips ) if that doesnt scream ***** I dont know what does. And baseball is a MANS sport , not some pansy slap ass league. When the (GAME) is over the sox go home to their wives. Jeter & ***-rod get manicures and tell each other how pretty they are and that their thighs arent looking too big.

You are a moron. Nuff said. If baseball is a mans sport why does Boston play it like a bunch of *******? 11.5 games back.

[Sbells]

hey mark since the thread has become a forum for how ortiz plays defense. Why dont you take a minute to dissect your reigning MVP's third sack performance this season. Nice throws and perfect footing on those throws to first. What about When Jeter is batting, and a pitch is on the outside black , does he not bend his ass out showing it off to whomever is on deck, I think your next hitter (behind) jeter is ***-Rod ( with his blond tips ) if that doesnt scream ***** I dont know what does. And baseball is a MANS sport , not some pansy slap ass league. When the (GAME) is over the sox go home to their wives. Jeter & ***-rod get manicures and tell each other how pretty they are and that their thighs arent looking too big.

wow that must have taken about 3 seconds to think up. I guess thats the attention span of most yankees fans. 11.5 games back THIS SEASON is nothing, who cares. It means nothing when you buy it.
your soul is burning cuz your soul is black from the cancer that is stienbrenner and anything yankees

wanna talk about curses. How about the curse of Alex Rodrigues. Had the chance to win it all with a great bunch of guys in a town that LOVED him and team. Left for more money , to play on a team that never left the celler. Three years into his yankee career and how many rings that you guys predicted would be rolling in the day ya got him have come , how many batting titles , how many hr titles? SQUAT face it you clowns refuse to face that your circus environment torments even the "greatest player to live" YEAH RIGHT. PAPI 4 PREZ IN 08


Can you go back to your old board name?

You're an idiot.

Why is it that everytime I click on this thread, which is about once a month, I see some dumbass that doesn't make any sense at all? I mean, Burning Soul's comment was stupid, but it doesn't even touch this moron's status.

[BurningSoul]

Can you go back to your old board name?

You're an idiot.

Why is it that everytime I click on this thread, which is about once a month, I see some dumbass that doesn't make any sense at all? I mean, Burning Soul's comment was stupid, but it doesn't even touch this moron's status.

Stupid? Its 100% correct! :D

[Mark Weber]

hey mark since the thread has become a forum for how ortiz plays defense. Why dont you take a minute to dissect your reigning MVP's third sack performance this season. Nice throws and perfect footing on those throws to first. What about When Jeter is batting, and a pitch is on the outside black , does he not bend his ass out showing it off to whomever is on deck, I think your next hitter (behind) jeter is ***-Rod ( with his blond tips ) if that doesnt scream ***** I dont know what does. And baseball is a MANS sport , not some pansy slap ass league. When the (GAME) is over the sox go home to their wives. Jeter & ***-rod get manicures and tell each other how pretty they are and that their thighs arent looking too big.

I can't tell you how proud I am that homosexual jokes are all you've got left for ammo this season. Don't ever change. :)

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Sure the Red Sox sucked wind, but how bad were the Blue Jays in that same stretch? They can't even get past the Red Sox.

The Blue Jays have no re-dos so I'm sure you can cut us SOME slack. The Yankees can just toss Pavano's $40 million aside like it ain't no thing.

[Mark Weber]

this is MY original board name , its just that my sentiments are shared by other folks too. thats probably what pisses you off more.

Yes, the other Red Sox fans on the board are certainly rallying behind your banner. Just look at 'em...

[NYHoustonman]

If Boston fans want sympathy for the injuries to Matt Clement and David Wells this season then they need to consider Pavano as well. Their third- and fourth-best hitters for FOUR MONTHS and overcame it, so don't sing me a song about Boston's tough week. Their collapse started long before Ortiz and Ramirez were pulled from the lineup - 8-18 in the 26 games before Manny's knee forced him out...

That stretch had a lot to do with their pitching, not so much with their offense... The bullpen collapsed and the Sox couldn't put together more than 3 big league-ready pitchers in their starting rotation. What those injuries did (to the Red Sox) was to effectively squash any hope they might have had of coming out of this slump and making some kind of run at a playoff spot.

And of course the Yankees 'overcame' it. Do you not remember everyone talking about the all-star lineup that was to be the Yankees? They lost 2 good hitters and were still right at the top in runs scored, and I think that has a little more to do with their spending money on tons of quality hitters than it has to do with their 'overcoming' much of anything.

[Bronx Bombers]

Since when did 33 HR 110 RBI become bad???

[Mavrik28]

The Blue Jays have no re-dos so I'm sure you can cut us SOME slack. The Yankees can just toss Pavano's $40 million aside like it ain't no thing.

When you have a crappy manager, a joke of a GM and a dirty lockerroom I suppose you are doomed.

Of course the Yanks can eat 40 million, they're only the largest cash cow in MLB. They can spend whatever they want.

[Bronx Bombers]

Thanks to an 0-4 by Mauer Jeter moved in 1st place in AL Batting Title Race, 2 points ahead.

[Mark Weber]

Let's go Blue Jays! Let's see some shakeup in the A.L. East standings :)

[Mavrik28]

Let's go thread. Oh wait I forgot, SAWX (Red and White) and Blue Jays fans have nothing to be happy about. Sure is a quite place when the Yanks are on top.

[silversurfur65]

Mark,since the Jays are now in 2nd place.......can you change the name of this thread to the :
OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Blue Jays trash talking thread ;)

[Mark Weber]

Geez - and the Blue Jays don't even have Roy Halladay right now.

Hey but Manny wants to be traded to a contender :)

[NYHoustonman]

Geez - and the Blue Jays don't even have Roy Halladay right now.

Oh, I feel so sorry for them :x.

(Although I do like Halladay, He's one of the top handful of pitchers in the game today).

[Yukoner]

(Although I do like Halladay, He's one of the top handful of pitchers in the game today).

Yeah, too bad the Yankees can't buy him, too.

[Mark Weber]

I've never disputed the unlevel playing field the Yankees play on, nor stopped reiterating my stance that MLB would be in a far better place with a salary cap instead of the luxury tax. Still, if you could turn money directly into wins, adding Lyle Overbay (2.5 million per year), Troy Glaus (11.1 million per year), Bengie Molina (5 million per year), B.J. Ryan (9.4 million per year) and A.J. Burnett (11 million per year) would probably mean more than a seven-game improvement.

[RedWingsCuj031]

Yeah, too bad the Yankees can't buy him, too.


Who have the Yanks "bought", all of their players right now except shef, Arod and Damon are all players that played in the minors with them, I dont understand why everyone hates the yankees, just because they are good. the red wings in the NHL are the same as the Yankees, they brought in Lang and so fourth and everybody hates the wings as well.

[Yukoner]

Who have the Yanks "bought", all of their players right now except shef, Arod and Damon are all players that played in the minors with them, I dont understand why everyone hates the yankees, just because they are good. the red wings in the NHL are the same as the Yankees, they brought in Lang and so fourth and everybody hates the wings as well.

Huh.

How about:

A-Rod
Giambi
Matsui
Damon
Sheffield
Abreu
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wright
Lidle
Farnsworth

I've left out the guys who've since moved on, plus guys signed on the cheap for a decent price.

[Yukoner]

I've never disputed the unlevel playing field the Yankees play on, nor stopped reiterating my stance that MLB would be in a far better place with a salary cap instead of the luxury tax. Still, if you could turn money directly into wins, adding Lyle Overbay (2.5 million per year), Troy Glaus (11.1 million per year), Bengie Molina (5 million per year), B.J. Ryan (9.4 million per year) and A.J. Burnett (11 million per year) would probably mean more than a seven-game improvement.

Yeah, it should have. I know I'm disappointed. Playing .500 against the NL really sucked the life out of this team.

Still, to get those guys you mentioned, they had to jettison a pile of salary and talent, too. Orlando Hudson (best defensive 2B in the game), Miguel Batista (11-7, 4.32), Corey Koskie (having a decent seasin, but now quite possibly done with post-concussion syndrome), David Bush (12-11, 4.54) and so on. They don't have the luxury of taking on ridiculous salaries, nor trading piles of prospects for talent.

[mike99420]

Huh.

How about:

A-Rod
Giambi
Matsui
Damon
Sheffield
Abreu
Johnson
Mussina
Pavano
Wright
Lidle
Farnsworth

I've left out the guys who've since moved on, plus guys signed on the cheap for a decent price.
and i belive you like the bluejays if i am not mistaken, and how many players of their roster arent homegrown? probably less than the yanks, but most teams nowadays arent many homegrowns. you people can whine all you want about the yankees, but this is under the cba that all of your owners and hierarchy singed on the dotted line for. if it were against the rules it would be one thing, but i hate to inform you that one of the reasons there still is a toronto blue jays is becuase of revenue sharing which the yanks single handedly help keep about 3-4 teams where they are.

[NYHoustonman]

Well, season's over... I can only hope the Yanks make an early exit :p.

Have fun, guys, wish I could be rooting for the Sox this time of year, but for now it'll have to be the Mets :x.

[Bronx Bombers]

Thread title needs to be changed.

[roynd1]

Agreed!!!:D Go Yanks!! Hey Red Sox(singing) Turn out the lights the parties over!!!:D

Mark,since the Jays are now in 2nd place.......can you change the name of this thread to the :
OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Blue Jays trash talking thread ;)

[Rich Zufelt]

Agreed on the ARod stats comments. Funny how a 30+ HR season, and 100 RBI year is considered bad. I hope he tears it up in the playoffs and gets the fair weather Yankee fans off his back !!

[SharpyDave]

Ok, maybe I have a man crush on Jeter :p but 6 postseason games with 5 hits is pretty impressive.

[Tanner2126]

Ok, maybe I have a man crush on Jeter :p but 6 postseason games with 5 hits is pretty impressive.


YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE!!! :D

[NYHoustonman]

He still sucks :p

[Bronx Bombers]

He still sucks :p

Your still a moron

[Hardcore Legend]

Ok, maybe I have a man crush on Jeter :p but 6 postseason games with 5 hits is pretty impressive.

Derek Jeter doesn't have 6 postseason games with 5 hits. I think it's only been done 6 or 7 times in the history of baseball, no?

[ryjay]

Jeter is just the 6th player in history to have had a five hit playoff game...he hasn't done it 6 times... only once... tonight.

[SharpyDave]

Oh, it's hard to get the stats right when the Beck's is flowing all too well.

[eM249ine]

Well, season's over... I can only hope the Yanks make an early exit :p.

Have fun, guys, wish I could be rooting for the Sox this time of year, but for now it'll have to be the Mets :x.

The Mets? still rooting for Second Best huh!


Hahaha... See ya next season....

[SharpyDave]

I just got ticket for tonights game, go Moose!

[Bronx Bombers]

I just got ticket for tonights game, go Moose!

Luckly SOB:D

[NYHoustonman]

I just got ticket for tonights game, go Moose!


Bwahaha, sucks for you :x.

[Bronx Bombers]

Bwahaha, sucks for you :x.

Where exactly is your team? Playing in playoffs? Oh sorry they're playing golf:(

[MofoEd]

This thread still exists???? BoSox fans have to let it go already, start this up again next season, just let it go.

[SharpyDave]

Bwahaha, sucks for you :x.Oh yes it did, no refunds on parking, food, etc.

[NYHoustonman]

Does it hurt?

[orionquest]

Ahhh, that's better. ;)

Seriously, though... this was not the season either team's fans expected. It's going to be an interesting off-season.

What do Yankees fan's expect? Do you think anything out of the ordinary will happen?

[Mavrik28]

Ahhh, that's better. ;)

Seriously, though... this was not the season either team's fans expected. It's going to be an interesting off-season.

What do Yankees fan's expect? Do you think anything out of the ordinary will happen?

Outside of Torre getting the boot, I don't think anythign too crazy. Sheff will not be picked up. A-Rod is going nowhere. And the big pickup will be Daisuke Matsuzaka.

[Rich Zufelt]

51.1 MILLION JUST TO TALK TO THE GUY!!!!! Talk about desperation !!!

[Bronx Bombers]

Well right now Yankees have only really one starter in Wang. Johnson had back surgery and don't know how that will come out and Mussina isnt re-signed yet. I hope they get like Zito and or Pettitte.

[Sbells]

Outside of Torre getting the boot, I don't think anythign too crazy. Sheff will not be picked up. A-Rod is going nowhere. And the big pickup will be Daisuke Matsuzaka.

0-3 early...

[Arodjr]

:eek: Some good reading!! :D Hope Sox fans take it heart!

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6173822

[Bronx Bombers]

Welcom to 2007(to the thread) i think its safe to say that Boston can no longer bring up the argument about Yankees spending money. 27 in 07!!!

[orionquest]

Welcom to 2007(to the thread) i think its safe to say that Boston can no longer bring up the argument about Yankees spending money. 27 in 07!!!

C'mon now, we've been over this again and again. Here's the bullet point version:


The Red Sox are the #2 payroll in MLB, and have been for a while.
We Sox fans should never have been crying poor over the past five years. Those of us in the know never did.
The Yankees have a market to draw from that is significantly larger than any other.
No matter how much the Sox spend, the Yankees can and will always spend more.There it is.

[Mark Weber]

Another homegrown prospect leaves Fenway: Trot Nixon signs with Cleveland. Luckily the Sawx have signed a more expensive injury prone right fielder to fill his shoes. :)

[ComradeFlyer]

so Mark, why haven't the Yankees resigned Bernie?

[Bronx Bombers]

so Mark, why haven't the Yankees resigned Bernie?

There really isnt room for him right now. They have 4 outfielders that can play field better and Giambi at DH. I think they will sign him but not until around June.

[ComradeFlyer]

Another homegrown prospect leaves Fenway: Trot Nixon signs with Cleveland. Luckily the Sawx have signed a more expensive injury prone right fielder to fill his shoes. :)

Nixon:
2006 114 Games 8 HRs 52 RBIs
2005 124 Games 13 HRs 67 RBIs
2004 48 Games 6 HRs 23 RBIs
2003 134 Games 28 HRs 87 RBIs

Drew:
2006 146 Games 20 HRs 100 RBIs
2005 72 Games 15 HRs 36 RBIs
2004 145 Games 31 HRs 93 RBIs
2003 100 Games 15 HRs 42 RBIs

Drew has played in 43 more games than Nixon over the last four years. Drew has also hit 26 more homeruns over that period and drove in 42 more runs. You are the big of using stats to back up your arguments, so what about these stats. Yes Drew misses time on the DL, Nixon has missed more. Are we overpaying him? Yes. But that is your only leg to stand on.

Have you ever read the "Bill James Handbook"? I'd check it out, usually has good rankings and stats. In the 2007 Edition, JD Drew is rated by ten different sports writers and organizations on his rank by position in RF.

Bill James - #1 RF in MLB
BIS Video Scouts - #5 RF in MLB
Hal Richman - #2 RF in MLB
Joe Posnanski - #4 RF in MLB
John Dewan - #3 RF in MLB
Matt Olkin - #3 RF in MLB
Mike Murphy - Not Ranked in the Top 10
Nate Birtwell - #4 RF in MLB
Rob Neyer - #2 RF in MLB
Tom Tango Fan Poll - Not Ranked in the Top 10

Only Ichiro and Rios were rated as better RFs. Even with your Yankees bias you have to admit Drew is a good player. In Boston he won't be looked upon to be "The Guy" so that will take some of the pressure off him. And come on, if I can admit that he Yankees have a really good line-up, you can atleast admit that a Ortiz-Manny-Drew 3-4-5 looks a heck of alot better than a Ortiz-Manny-Nixon / Ortiz-Manny-Varitek / Ortiz-Manny-Lowell that we have been using.

[Mark Weber]

Nixon:
2006 114 Games 8 HRs 52 RBIs
2005 124 Games 13 HRs 67 RBIs
2004 48 Games 6 HRs 23 RBIs
2003 134 Games 28 HRs 87 RBIs

Drew:
2006 146 Games 20 HRs 100 RBIs
2005 72 Games 15 HRs 36 RBIs
2004 145 Games 31 HRs 93 RBIs
2003 100 Games 15 HRs 42 RBIs

Drew has played in 43 more games than Nixon over the last four years. Drew has also hit 26 more homeruns over that period and drove in 42 more runs. You are the big of using stats to back up your arguments, so what about these stats. Yes Drew misses time on the DL, Nixon has missed more. Are we overpaying him? Yes. But that is your only leg to stand on.

Have you ever read the "Bill James Handbook"? I'd check it out, usually has good rankings and stats. In the 2007 Edition, JD Drew is rated by ten different sports writers and organizations on his rank by position in RF.

Bill James - #1 RF in MLB
BIS Video Scouts - #5 RF in MLB
Hal Richman - #2 RF in MLB
Joe Posnanski - #4 RF in MLB
John Dewan - #3 RF in MLB
Matt Olkin - #3 RF in MLB
Mike Murphy - Not Ranked in the Top 10
Nate Birtwell - #4 RF in MLB
Rob Neyer - #2 RF in MLB
Tom Tango Fan Poll - Not Ranked in the Top 10

Only Ichiro and Rios were rated as better RFs. Even with your Yankees bias you have to admit Drew is a good player. In Boston he won't be looked upon to be "The Guy" so that will take some of the pressure off him. And come on, if I can admit that he Yankees have a really good line-up, you can atleast admit that a Ortiz-Manny-Drew 3-4-5 looks a heck of alot better than a Ortiz-Manny-Nixon / Ortiz-Manny-Varitek / Ortiz-Manny-Lowell that we have been using.

I'm not disputing Drew's talent - though his aloof attitude (ask a Dodgers fan) seems poorly suited to a rabid baseball town like Boston. I think he's an upgrade over Nixon, and that Manny/Ortiz/Drew is an absolutely fearsome 3-4-5, especially in the matchbox that is Fenway Park.

My point is, that another homegrown SOX prospect has left the team. (see my "Rest Stop" post buried deep within this thread)

On your topic, over the four-year sample you chose Nixon missed an average of 55 games a year, while Drew missed an average of 46. Even while playing in an average of nine more games per year, Drew only hit nine more homers and drove in eleven more runs per season than Nixon. Drew's signing cost a lot of money for a minor statistical upgrade, while adding an unknown quantity to Boston's clubhouse in place of a beloved teammate and lifetime Red Sox player. There are some diehard Sox fans (ESPN's BIll Simmons a notable example) who aren't sure it was a good move...

If you want to expand the comparison, (throwing out Drew's cup-of-coffee debut season and Nixon's first two years with miniscule at-bats) they've both played eight full seasons in the majors. Nixon has averaged 121 games per season, while Drew has averaged 118. Drew is two years younger than Nixon, but that's not a positive stat from an injury standpoint. PLayers rarely get healthier as they get older, so one would expect Drew's next two seasons to AT LEAST be as injury-filled as his first eight.

Bear in mind that Drew averages 64 RBI per year over his eight-year career. 509 for his whole career since 1998, which is 152 less than Preston Wilson, who is currently an unsigned free agent looking for work. :)

[Mark Weber]

so Mark, why haven't the Yankees resigned Bernie?

There's just no at-bats for Bernie the way the roster is presently constructed. They want to get Melky Cabrera enough at-bats to continue his development, so they need Melky (not Bernie) as the fourth outfielder. Cabrera will get some DH time too, or more likely some outfield time as the DH gets spread around. Giambi will be New York's primary DH, but Abreu, Damon, Matsui and Posada will all get some DH days as well.

Torre's a loyal guy too, and it'd be hard for him to leave Bernie buried on the bench (should everyone stay healthy in the outfield). Not having Bernie on the team removes that temptation from Torre's daily meantal gymnastics.

Even if Bernie signs with another team for a season or two, it'd be like Yogi Berra's stint with the Mets, or Dwight Evans' swan song in Baltimore - in the long run I doubt if it'll tarnish the fans' memories of them as (nearly-lifetime) Yankees or Red Sox.

[troop2325]

Its a sad day when Bernie isnt wearing pinstripes...and I hate the Yankees, GO RED SOX.

[Bronx Bombers]

There's just no at-bats for Bernie the way the roster is presently constructed. They want to get Melky Cabrera enough at-bats to continue his development, so they need Melky (not Bernie) as the fourth outfielder. Cabrera will get some DH time too, or more likely some outfield time as the DH gets spread around. Giambi will be New York's primary DH, but Abreu, Damon, Matsui and Posada will all get some DH days as well.

Torre's a loyal guy too, and it'd be hard for him to leave Bernie buried on the bench (should everyone stay healthy in the outfield). Not having Bernie on the team removes that temptation from Torre's daily meantal gymnastics.

Even if Bernie signs with another team for a season or two, it'd be like Yogi Berra's stint with the Mets, or Dwight Evans' swan song in Baltimore - in the long run I doubt if it'll tarnish the fans' memories of them as (nearly-lifetime) Yankees or Red Sox.

I seriously doubt that Bernie will sign with someone else. By this tme in his career i dont think he wants to get HRs and RBIs i think he wants to win another ring, and hs best chance at that is to just stay in shape and wait for that call. Even if they dont sign him until July he wont go anywhere else. Cause if one outfielder goes down they will sign him in 5 seconds, and if he dosent retire i think he will definitly be on the playoff roster.

[Therman Merman]

Daily News yesterday said that there was potential for Bernie to be signed to a minor league deal, and invited to spring training if he is unable to secure a deal with another team. But if that were to happen, it wouldn't happen until right before camp opens.

My heart thinks Bernie will sign that minor league deal, give it a whirl, but unless he blows up in spring training will retire, and take a job within the Yankees organization.:)

My head has no idea.:o

[Bronx Bombers]

Daily News yesterday said that there was potential for Bernie to be signed to a minor league deal, and invited to spring training if he is unable to secure a deal with another team. But if that were to happen, it wouldn't happen until right before camp opens.

My heart thinks Bernie will sign that minor league deal, give it a whirl, but unless he blows up in spring training will retire, and take a job within the Yankees organization.:)

My head has no idea.:o

I heard he wasnt interested in a minor league deal, but i would like to see him come on midway through year especially if someone goes down.

[ComradeFlyer]

Its a sad day when Bernie isnt wearing pinstripes...and I hate the Yankees, GO RED SOX.

I was thinking the same thing. Bernie Williams embodies to the Yankees to me and him not being on that team is just fundementally wrong.

I hope bernie makes it back to the Yankees roster this year, and if not I sincerely hope he takes a position in that organization. He is one of the great all around players and I know I'll miss watching him play, even if he has gone down hill since his best years.

[Bronx Bombers]

I was thinking the same thing. Bernie Williams embodies to the Yankees to me and him not being on that team is just fundementally wrong.

I hope bernie makes it back to the Yankees roster this year, and if not I sincerely hope he takes a position in that organization. He is one of the great all around players and I know I'll miss watching him play, even if he has gone down hill since his best years.

I could see him as the hitting coach soon. Maybe when Torre is retired and someone like Mattingly is manager...

[ComradeFlyer]

I'm not disputing Drew's talent - though his aloof attitude (ask a Dodgers fan) seems poorly suited to a rabid baseball town like Boston. I think he's an upgrade over Nixon, and that Manny/Ortiz/Drew is an absolutely fearsome 3-4-5, especially in the matchbox that is Fenway Park.

My point is, that another homegrown SOX prospect has left the team. (see my "Rest Stop" post buried deep within this thread)

On your topic, over the four-year sample you chose Nixon missed an average of 55 games a year, while Drew missed an average of 46. Even while playing in an average of nine more games per year, Drew only hit nine more homers and drove in eleven more runs per season than Nixon. Drew's signing cost a lot of money for a minor statistical upgrade, while adding an unknown quantity to Boston's clubhouse in place of a beloved teammate and lifetime Red Sox player. There are some diehard Sox fans (ESPN's BIll Simmons a notable example) who aren't sure it was a good move...

If you want to expand the comparison, (throwing out Drew's cup-of-coffee debut season and Nixon's first two years with miniscule at-bats) they've both played eight full seasons in the majors. Nixon has averaged 121 games per season, while Drew has averaged 118. Drew is two years younger than Nixon, but that's not a positive stat from an injury standpoint. PLayers rarely get healthier as they get older, so one would expect Drew's next two seasons to AT LEAST be as injury-filled as his first eight.

Bear in mind that Drew averages 64 RBI per year over his eight-year career. 509 for his whole career since 1998, which is 152 less than Preston Wilson, who is currently an unsigned free agent looking for work. :)

I'd submit to you Bill Mueller as a case in point. His attitude with the Red Sox could be called aloof by some, and he still enjoyed quite a bit of success in Boston both in terms of on the field and in view of the fans.

I will admit, that I personally am not a fan of the Drew signing. Believe it or not Trot was my favorite player on the team but his play had taken a few major steps back in the last few seasons. I think the mindset with Drew in the organization is perfering a guy who is constistent about his DL trips over a player who is there one day and gone another, as absurd as that might seem to us.

I would much rather have signed Trot to a one year deal and made a major push for Ichiro next off-season. I'm of those Red Sox fans who are not big on Wily Mo Pena.

[Mark Weber]

Opening Day bump :)

[orionquest]

Opening Day bump :)

Here we go again!

[Tanner2126]

1 game up already!!!!

[Mark Weber]

Here we go again!

Nice to see ya OQ!

Now to get back on topic - do you think Boston has done enough in the off-season to get back into second place this year? :)

[SmartassBoiler]

Now to get back on topic - do you think Boston has done enough in the off-season to get back into second place this year? :)

*looks at Yankees rotation*

Do you think New York has done enough in the off-season to stay in first place this year? :)

[Mark Weber]

Nope. They need to add a quality veteran arm like Jose Contreras. :)

Seriously though, I thought they were in OK shape before Chien-Ming Wang and Jeff Karstens got hurt. With those two they went six starters deep with Darrell Rasner as back-up and Phil Hughes/Tyler Clippard getting ready at Triple-A.

If New York's rotation ends up being a little thin, I imagine they'll throw whatever money it takes to get Roger Clemens to say yes.

[madcracker]

Nice to see ya OQ!

Now to get back on topic - do you think Boston has done enough in the off-season to get back into second place this year? :)

Nope.

*looks at Yankees rotation*

Do you think New York has done enough in the off-season to stay in first place this year? :)

Nope.

Go Jays!

[Bronx Bombers]

Our rotation could go from what it is now - Mussina, Pettitte, Igawa, Pavano and Karstens to what it could possibly be in September - Clemens, Wang, Pettitte, Mussina and Hughes

[SmartassBoiler]

Nope. They need to add a quality veteran arm like Jose Contreras. :)

All our arms died after the World Series. http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif Trading the one that was OK (McCarthy) seems stupid, but I don't believe we're going to contend this year anyways, and Danks has more upside. Moving Chris Young for Javier Vazquez was ******ed. At least losing Jeremy Reed won't bite us in the butt.

Seriously though, I thought they were in OK shape before Chien-Ming Wang and Jeff Karstens got hurt. With those two they went six starters deep with Darrell Rasner as back-up and Phil Hughes/Tyler Clippard getting ready at Triple-A.

Jeff Karstens? Is this Aaron Small ver. 2?

If New York's rotation ends up being a little thin, I imagine they'll throw whatever money it takes to get Roger Clemens to say yes.

There's no way Clemens is going to waste his time in Houston again this year. That team sucks, and Boston's rotation is looking pretty full if Lester makes it back.

[Bronx Bombers]

I think either Karstens or Hughes or both will end up in the rotation this year. Karstens probably before Phil

[Mark Weber]

Jeff Karstens? Is this Aaron Small ver. 2?

Karstens was a 2003 draft pick out of Texas Tech and is currently 24 years old. Small was 33 years old and with his seventh organization by the time he went 10-0 for the 2005 Yankees. You're making a terrible comparison.

Karstens is two years older than John Danks - the guy you traded Brandon McCarthy for (big mistake, I think).

[SmartassBoiler]

Karstens was a 2003 draft pick out of Texas Tech and is currently 24 years old. Small was 33 years old and with his seventh organization by the time he went 10-0 for the 2005 Yankees. You're making a terrible comparison.

Sorry, my comparison was based on that Karstens doesn't overpower anyone and relies more on his offspeed stuff to generate outs. Not someone with very good staying power in the majors unless his location is incredible.

Karstens is two years older than John Danks - the guy you traded Brandon McCarthy for (big mistake, I think).

McCarthy is a bigtime flyball pitcher, and while he'll maintain a solid strikeout rate, I think he's a bit overrated. He's a #3 starter or thereabouts, not a staff ace, which some seemed to think he'd be. He's much better suited for ballparks like Safeco and Petco that are more forgiving to flyball pitchers. His HR-rate is terrible, and it's not going to get any better pitching in Texas. If the Sox were going to seriously compete this year, which I don't think they will, then trading McCarthy was a mistake. However, I think Danks has more longterm upside and like the trade looking several years down the line.

The White Sox, given the way their ballpark plays, need groundball pitchers with solid K rates. I don't think McCarthy fit.

[orionquest]

Nice to see ya OQ!

Now to get back on topic - do you think Boston has done enough in the off-season to get back into second place this year? :)

No, Mark, I think my Sox are finally happy to give that position over to your boys, or maybe even the Jays. We've kept it warm long enough, and now it's time to take the division once and for all.

I think both are squads have some major questions this season. I like our pitching better than New York's. The Yankees offense is as frightening as ever, while the bottom of Boston's order has some questions.

What really scares me is that, knowing how the baseball gods do what they do, there is a chance that both squads are looking up at Toronto at season's end. As confident as I am in my Sox, I have to acknowledge that the possibility exists.

[Bombers&SunDevils]

The problem with JD Drew (Beyond the fact that he has a hard time staying on the field) is that is not a hard nosed kind of guy. Baseball is something he does - not lives for. He is not a hustler. If you are Manny then you can get away with it. The Fenway faithful and the EEI guys will turn on him at some point and then it will get ugly

[orionquest]

The problem with JD Drew (Beyond the fact that he has a hard time staying on the field) is that is not a hard nosed kind of guy. Baseball is something he does - not lives for. He is not a hustler. If you are Manny then you can get away with it. The Fenway faithful and the EEI guys will turn on him at some point and then it will get ugly

It's funny how I keep hearing that, and I'm convinced it's BS. He's made more than enough to walk away from the game if he doesn't like to play. I get the sense that he's more like Nomar, in that he doesn't want to be the focal point of a team or have the spotlight.

Now, he doesn't have to carry an offense. Batting behind Papi and Manny, and in front of an above-average hitter like Lowell, he can do what he does. Additionally, on a team with Manny, Papi, Schilling, Dice-K, Paps, Beckett and Tek, he doesn't have to feel the weight of attention that he may have felt elsewhere. Besides, if nothing changes, Coco is going to feel the sting instead.

[orionquest]

Game one of nineteen is tomorrow night!

Mark, everyone... are you ready?

[Tanner2126]

IM READY!!!!!! Imagine this, Yankees win, Red Soxs lose, Mets Lose, Islanders win. What a night that would be for me!

[orionquest]

IM READY!!!!!! Imagine this, Yankees win, Red Soxs lose, Mets Lose, Islanders win. What a night that would be for me!

Let's hope that you're disappointed. ;)

[Tanner2126]

Let's hope that you're disappointed. ;)

Ive already prepared myself. :(

[Bronx Bombers]

Yankees come in scorching the ball and Red Sox come with great pitching right now. Should be a great series

[orionquest]

Wow! Both teams come to play after dramatic come-from-behind victories, with key HRs by Manny and A-Rod.

Like BB said, the Yanks are hitting everything in sight. Sox pitching looks like the best in baseball.

Always something dramatic when these teams meet. We Sox fans better hope that A-Rod continues his rep as Mr. April. If he starts hitting like this in Septemeber and October, he'll finally make the jump with many Yankees fans, and Sox Nation will pay the price.

Looking forward to this weekend!

[Therman Merman]

A-Rod is now hitting in the clutch.

Be afraid Red Sox Nation...Be Very Afraid.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I hope Fenway collapses leaving the Yankees and Red Sox trapped inside forever.

[orionquest]

A-Rod is now hitting in the clutch.

Be afraid Red Sox Nation...Be Very Afraid.

He's doing very well in Step One of the clutch hitting program. April is Step One. If he continues to do it in August, then yes, I wil feel fear in my heart. Right now, it's just appreciation.

That said... what a comeback for your boys today.

[Therman Merman]

Yeah, I'm not going to crazy right now. I just wanted to fire my first shot in the season long trash talking war.

Let's get it on!

[orionquest]

I hope Fenway collapses leaving the Yankees and Red Sox trapped inside forever.

Aww, NVC, it was just a bad day for you guys. Don't be too bitter.

Besides, I wished for the collapse of SkyDome in '93, while amidst a 75 year Championship drought. It all comes around.

[orionquest]

Yeah, I'm not going to crazy right now. I just wanted to fire my first shot in the season long trash talking war.

Let's get it on!

I like that sentiment, TM. After these two games today, the hype is going to be flying. Who's starting against Schill tomorrow? And how has Weber not chimed in yet?

[Bronx Bombers]

Andrew Eugene Pettitte vs Curtis Montague Schilling should be a awesome matchup

[Therman Merman]

Andrew Eugene Pettitte vs Curtis Montague Schilling should be a awesome matchupIn what is being tabbed as the first time in Major League history that both starters have equally nerdy middle names.

Montague? :confused: What, Capulet not good enough for ya'? ;)

[orionquest]

Montague? :confused: What, Capulet not good enough for ya'? ;)

Shouldn't Pettie change his middle name to Capulet, just to make it appropriate?

Three hours to first pitch! Can you feel the love? The excitement? The animosity?

[Mavrik28]

Just another meaningless series in April. Wake me when the games actually matter.

[MLB_Legends3457]

I hope Fenway collapses leaving the Yankees and Red Sox trapped inside forever.

Why? Is that the only way the Blue Jays can win the division?;)

[Hardcore Legend]

Rut-roh.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

LOL, only the Yankees can be four games over .500 and be given the respect of an actual contender. I might have to avoid ESPN for a week now because it's probably Yankee-mania 24/7.

[RUI23MJ]

Just another meaningless series in April. Wake me when the games actually matter.

WAKE UP!!!

[Hardcore Legend]

LOL, only the Yankees can be four games over .500 and be given the respect of an actual contender. I might have to avoid ESPN for a week now because it's probably Yankee-mania 24/7.

Rut-roh.

[quiggle]

I wasn't expecting to say this but congratulations to Red Sox Nation for 2007 AL East Champions

[ToightLikeATiger]

Wow this thread still exists? I remember how Yankees fans were constantly on here trash talking last year. This thread was always at the top. This year this thread has been burried. This is first time Ive seen it this season. Apparently things get real quiet on the trash talking front when the Redsox are leading the division. Guess that shows Redsox fans on here are more humble then the Yankees fans. Im sure if the Yankees were in 1st this thread would have been full of Yankees fans like last year bashing the Sox.

[SmartassBoiler]

I can't believe how dead this thread has been this year.

[Yankee_Pride]

Yep Yankees are officially done and in rebuilding mode. Even if they do take the Wildcard which is a big "IF" at this point they don't have the SP to make it out of the first round of the playoffs much less win the WS and we all know that if you can't win the WS then the season is a failure.

I honestly think Steinbrenner is a lot closer to biting the big one than people think because the Steinbrenner I've grown to love over the years would have fired Cashman back in June and probably Torre along with him. The fact that they both still have their jobs shows that his sons are the ones running the team for the most part.

[quiggle]

this whole season just didn't feel right, starting with Opening Day's starting pitcher

[Mark Weber]

Pitching staffs get whittled in the postseason, and I'll take Wang, Pettitte & Clemens against any other top three headed to the postseason. I don't think this is a great Yankees team, but I didn't think much of last year's 83-win Cardinals squad either.

This week essentially killed any division hopes, but the Wild Card is within New York's reach. What I do like about this season is that they didn't patch the flaws on this squad by moving prospects - Joba Chamberlain, Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy, Tyler Clippard or Phil Hughes.

[Hardcore Legend]

The Yankees need to sweep Boston from here on out. I'm shocked that Yankees fans are packing it in already. I'm a Cardinals fan and I know that come September, the Cubs live up to their name "Completely Useless By September".

The Red Sox will have their swoon. Tim Wakefield isn't going to be a 18-20 game winner.

[ComradeFlyer]

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL96/790606/1983959/274916231.jpg

Do or Die Time.

[Mark Weber]

Pettitte is freaking me out in that picture.

[Mark Weber]

Im sure if the Yankees were in 1st this thread would have been full of Yankees fans like last year bashing the Sox.

I think all Yankees fans were stunned by the atrocious start to the season and the recent stumbles on the road trip. My guess is if the Yankees were in first for most of the season this thread still wouldn't have seen much attention, since it would have been the kind of season we've all gotten used to ten of the last eleven years.

[BlakChamber]

I hope Fenway collapses leaving the Yankees and Red Sox trapped inside forever.

That's how I feel when Michigan and Notre Dame play each other in football.

[kim]

That's how I feel when Michigan and Notre Dame play each other in football.

AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!

[Vinnie4]

Guess that shows Redsox fans on here are more humble then the Yankees fans.

Pointing out the fact that you're humble means you probably aren't.

[ComradeFlyer]

Pettitte is freaking me out in that picture.

thats exactly how i felt... haha. i got creative... go hang this in the bathroom above a urinal.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL96/790606/1983959/274944601.jpg

[kim]

thats exactly how i felt... haha. i got creative... go hang this in the bathroom above a urinal.

http://pic20.picturetrail.com:80/VOL96/790606/1983959/274944601.jpg

I would be more worried if his mouth was open. Dont take it out of context:D

[ComradeFlyer]

I would be more worried if his mouth was open. Dont take it out of context:D

awful. :D

[Yankee_Pride]

Wow this thread still exists? I remember how Yankees fans were constantly on here trash talking last year. This thread was always at the top. This year this thread has been burried. This is first time Ive seen it this season. Apparently things get real quiet on the trash talking front when the Redsox are leading the division. Guess that shows Redsox fans on here are more humble then the Yankees fans. Im sure if the Yankees were in 1st this thread would have been full of Yankees fans like last year bashing the Sox.


Yankees fans tend to have humility and class when they are doing bad only fans I ever see talking trash when their team is getting the crap kicked out of them are the idiotic Red Sox fans . :D :D :D

[Bronx Bombers]

Cant wait for Red Sox to see JOBA pitch

[Bronx Bombers]

Ortiz has to be hit in the earhole right now!!!

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I think the Yankees lead the league and being handed safe calls at first on fielder's choices.

[ComradeFlyer]

Ortiz has to be hit in the earhole right now!!!

because of an accident? yeah.. that would be the right thing to do. :rolleyes:

[ComradeFlyer]

yankees doing everything right so far.

[Yankee_Pride]

Dice-K getting knocked around like a $ 2 hoe :D

[Bronx Bombers]

because of an accident? yeah.. that would be the right thing to do. :rolleyes:

Relax i was joking

[ComradeFlyer]

Relax i was joking

notice the :D in the top left on my post.. so was i.

[Bronx Bombers]

Dice-K getting knocked around like a $ 2 hoe :D


Now why would you say that?? You make yourself look stupid and you make Crisp catch that ball

[ComradeFlyer]

manny being manny!

[Bronx Bombers]

Flip, well i blame Yankee Pride;)

[Bronx Bombers]

notice the :D in the top left on my post.. so was i.
Oh man you snuck it in there i didnt even see it.......:o

[ComradeFlyer]

Oh man you snuck it in there i didnt even see it.......:o

my secret is that i'm very sarcastic... but i like just sounding like a huge jerk. ;)

[Yankee_Pride]

my secret is that i'm very sarcastic... but i like just sounding like a huge jerk. ;)

At least your good at it

[ComradeFlyer]

At least your good at it

ditto sweetheart.

[ComradeFlyer]

hey Bronx, you on AIM?

[Vinnie4]

I think the Yankees lead the league and being handed safe calls at first on fielder's choices.

And you lead the forums in whining about the Yankees getting calls. Please learn some new material.

[ComradeFlyer]

nice catch by johnny.

[ComradeFlyer]

i'll tip my cap to jeter on that one.

[Bronx Bombers]

FLIP!!

[Bronx Bombers]

I'll tip nothing to Varitek

[Bronx Bombers]

Mannys out

[Yankee_Pride]

I'll tip nothing to Varitek

I'll tip him the middle finger that's about it though :D

[Bronx Bombers]

Joba to pitch the 8th, and face Ortiz...

[Bronx Bombers]

Damon 2-Run HR!!!!

[ComradeFlyer]

johnny!

[Yankee_Pride]

Johnny Damon with a 2 run bomb :D:D:D

[Bronx Bombers]

Joba Time

[worldsfinest]

So when is McFarlane going to make a Joba Chamberlin figure.

[ComradeFlyer]

Joba K'd a guy hitting .208, is he in the Hall yet?!?

[Yankee_Pride]

So much for Boston beating Joba all over the park lol

[GoNiners]

Joba K'd a guy hitting .208, is he in the Hall yet?!?

going by that someone should be sarcastic everytime your Sox hit well vs someone with an ERA over 4.

[Bronx Bombers]

Joba Ks 2 walks 1 and gives up 1 Hit, one of his worst outtings this year. And he actually shows emotion unlike that robot named Chien-Ming Wang

[GoNiners]

So much for Boston beating Joba all over the park lol

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA who said that?

[Yankee_Pride]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA who said that?

Some idiotic Red Sox fans although I can't remember which specific one they all blend together in one big pool of idiocy.

[ComradeFlyer]

So much for Boston beating Joba all over the park lol

man he was nasty... walk, pop out, K a guy hitting .208, a hit, K a loser... big time stuff. he is a filthy pitcher, but that inning wasn't absolute domination like alot of yankees fans thought would happen.

[ComradeFlyer]

going by that someone should be sarcastic everytime your Sox hit well vs someone with an ERA over 4.

come on now... i talk like that in response to people acting like joba is the second coming of cy young/jesus christ/john rambo/sandy koufax.... even Bombers told me he would K the side earlier on AIM...

[GoNiners]

Lugo threw out the slowest player on the team. Gold Glove?!? :-P

[GoNiners]

come on now... i talk like that in response to people acting like joba is the second coming of cy young/jesus christ/john rambo/sandy koufax.... even Bombers told me he would K the side earlier on AIM...

lol where does John Rambo fit in there?

and he is the second coming of Chuck Norris not John Rambo.

[Yankee_Pride]

come on now... i talk like that in response to people acting like joba is the second coming of cy young/jesus christ/john rambo/sandy koufax.... even Bombers told me he would K the side earlier on AIM...

Kinda like Boston fans and John "I couldn't cut it in the majors so I get demoted to Double A" Lester?? :cool:

[ComradeFlyer]

Lugo threw out the slowest player on the team. Gold Glove?!? :-P

go find any red sox fan acting like ryne sandberg is playing SS for the sox this year. :D

[ComradeFlyer]

Kinda like Boston fans and John "I couldn't cut it in the majors so I get demoted to Double A" Lester?? :cool:

i don't know any red sox fans that think he is amazing... i think he'll be a decent 4-5, but def not a top of the rotation guy.

[Bronx Bombers]

3 Base hit for Robbie Cano

[ComradeFlyer]

he is the second coming of Chuck Norris not John Rambo.

touche.

[GoNiners]

go find any red sox fan acting like ryne sandberg is playing SS for the sox this year. :D

lol and we got the second coming of Clemens in Joba(seriously doesn't he look like Clemens pulled a Travis Henry in Nebraska?)

[ComradeFlyer]

lol and we got the second coming of Clemens in Joba(seriously doesn't he look like Clemens pulled a Travis Henry in Nebraska?)

i think he looks like a mutant combination of clemens and bartolo colon. haha. :D

[GoNiners]

Nothing worse then having a guy on third and the guy batting has a batters count but wiffs a few times to end the inning.

[ComradeFlyer]

and actually, i believe travis henry pulled a shawn kemp.

[GoNiners]

i think he looks like a mutant combination of clemens and bartolo colon. haha. :D

with some matt hughes dna thrown in. If he has some Colon traits then lets hope he never has to face a-rod.

[GoNiners]

and actually, i believe travis henry pulled a shawn kemp.

Kemp created a basketball team and now Henry is trying to create a football team. It would be funny if all his kids played football(if all are male)

[GoNiners]

I wish this were a few years ago so I wouldnt be so uneasy when Mo comes up.

[Bronx Bombers]

ENter Sandman!!

[ComradeFlyer]

Nothing worse then having a guy on third and the guy batting has a batters count but wiffs a few times to end the inning.

hello? leadoff guy getting K'd in the 9th when you are down a few runs?

[ComradeFlyer]

yankees doing what the gotta do. 1 left.

[Bronx Bombers]

Mos looking nasty tonight

[ComradeFlyer]

it comes down to julio lugo.... famous last words?

[ComradeFlyer]

good game guys... see you back here tomorrow night!

[Bronx Bombers]

YANKEES WIN!!

[Bronx Bombers]

Pettitte 6-0 in August, AL pitcher of the month??

[Yankee_Pride]

Sandman comes in and puts Boston to sleep as the Yankees win 5-3

[Mark Weber]

I turned on SportsCenter and saw MLB 19! :)

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76369309.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193C1A11C22297C79F56FE8051B467B4FCC

[Yankee_Pride]

I turned on SportsCenter and saw MLB 19! :)

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76369309.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193C1A11C22297C79F56FE8051B467B4FCC


Hahahaha to funny :D :D

[Hardcore Legend]

I turned on SportsCenter and saw MLB 19! :)



His cheeks don't have near enough rouge.

[GoNiners]

I turned on SportsCenter and saw MLB 19! :)

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/76369309.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF193C1A11C22297C79F56FE8051B467B4FCC

they took time out of Vick time to show em?

[EDBSIP]

Yankees take game 1

[Donnellk13]

nice win cant wait till thursday im lucky enough to go to the game GO YANKEES

[Mark Weber]

His cheeks don't have near enough rouge.

Not out of Haterade yet I see. Does it come in Extra-Bitter?? :)

http://operachic.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/haterade01.jpg

[Wardo30]

I choose not to trash talk...congrats on game 1 but there is still two more to play...

[Durstlimpbizkit]

His cheeks don't have near enough rouge.

And no bleed marks on the pinstripes? :eek:

[Durstlimpbizkit]

I choose not to trash talk...congrats on game 1 but there is still two more to play...

I choose to do the same. I'd talk trash on someone else's team but I don't think I can ever be that confident about any team.

[Hardcore Legend]

Not out of Haterade yet I see. Does it come in Extra-Bitter?? :)


Pass me some of the Kool-Aid, Web. I need something that I can just close my eyes, drink and tell myself it's good.

[ComradeFlyer]

ah man, i'm working on my classroom tonight, so i'm reduced to listening on the radio... i won't be around to chrip, but i'll come give some lumps (or take my lumps) later this evening.

[quiggle]

here is our lucky charm!

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070829/i/r3430959448.jpg

[Bronx Bombers]

Damon makes it 3-0

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Yawn, who didn't see this coming? Red Sox get a big division lead and come into Yankee stadium and probably get swept, the "drama" between these teams feels so fabricated. I don't know why everyone finds these match-ups so entertaining.

[Bronx Bombers]

I dont see why you keep coming in here when you say you hate the Yankees. And make ******ed comments, you used to have some good and clever stuff to say but now you have nothing and are flippin annoying

[Donnellk13]

Id be mad if my team was that bad to

[Wardo30]

Yawn, who didn't see this coming? Red Sox get a big division lead and come into Yankee stadium and probably get swept, the "drama" between these teams feels so fabricated. I don't know why everyone finds these match-ups so entertaining.

even a sweep leaves it at 5 games and still another series to play at Fenway...season isn't over yet...

[Bronx Bombers]

A 3 base hit for Godzirra

[Donnellk13]

1 out runner on third you have to score that run someone need to make contact

[Wardo30]

the Red Sox need a fricking hit.....this is ridiculous

[Bronx Bombers]

Man i really hate Shrek

[GoNiners]

Glad we could supply Beckett with a career high in Hits Allowed.

So I bet Farnsworth is glad Joba is there so he isnt worn out by Torre eh?

[Bronx Bombers]

A-Bomb from A-Rod!!!!!

[Tanner2126]

A-Bomb from A-Rod!!!!!

haha your quick!

[ogrjmj]

wooooohooooo!!!!

[GoNiners]

Man haha even though no lead is ever safe in this rivalry A-Rod comes through in another big situation.

Where are the Red Sox fans?

[ComradeFlyer]

Man haha even though no lead is ever safe in this rivalry A-Rod comes through in another big situation.

Where are the Red Sox fans?

i was setting up my classroom this evening.. but i have been the only red sox fan chirping around here lately.

[Bronx Bombers]

Back to pitching in 13-0 nothing games now Farnsworthless

[Tanner2126]

Thanks Farnsworthless, my knuckles are bleeding from punching the edge of my deck!!!!!!!!!! I HATEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ogrjmj]

fu@#in farnsworthless!!

[GoNiners]

ya know leave it to Farnsworthless to allow a 2-run shot when Im busting the chops of a friend who likes the Red Sox.

[Bronx Bombers]

Enter Sandman...

[Tanner2126]

ya know leave it to Farnsworthless to allow a 2-run shot when Im busting the chops of a friend who likes the Red Sox.

why is he even in the 8th tho!!RT>E$Q:?FR>DSFSD?>AF?DAS>FSDafdsalfsdafdsaklfjsdalk;fjsdklafjksdal;
Why not Rameriz!ER?R??R!?#@R?#@?R?F?FDSFSD?FSDA?FSDAf Joe Torre and his stupid bullpen moves!!#R%!TRTGDAFDSAFSD

[Bronx Bombers]

Yankees Win!!!!111

[ogrjmj]

thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa yankees win!

[Bronx Bombers]

Start Spreading the News.....A-Rod beat Boston again

[GoNiners]

HAHAHAHA Even Farnsworth couldnt mess this up.

Imagine we didnt have that meltdown vs Detroit though :(