OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Red Sox trash talking thread

[Tanner2126]

Why did USA have to put on Happy Gilmore same time as the Yankee/Red Soxs game???

[Hardcore Legend]

Johnny Damon stealing vs Jason Varitek is like baseball in slow motion.

[Donnellk13]

Why did USA have to put on Happy Gilmore same time as the Yankee/Red Soxs game???

I was thinking the same thing

[Tanner2126]

I was thinking the same thing

lol...thank god its over! :D

[quiggle]

lol...thank god its over! :D

looks like Hughes night will be over shortly as well, almost 40 pitches in the first :rolleyes:

[Tanner2126]

looks like Hughes night will be over shortly as well, almost 40 pitches in the first :rolleyes:

yea, he wont be lasting long this game.

[Todd13]

yea, he wont be lasting long this game.Pedroia will be happy. He doesn't like that curve.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Having watched Hughes tonight this is what I take from him.

He was very nervous tonight it seemed. Must be the environment of the game. That being said Hughes has great stuff. His fastball is right where you would like it 91-94mph with late movement. He has a above average curveball. His changeup looks decent as well but havent seen enough of it to grade.

I think Hughes once he gets more comfortable will be a force. He has all the tools and stuff to do it. He just needs to work on the mental part of the game and he should be just fine. I can see he and Wang being a top 5 1-2 punch in MLB in the future.

I am very interested to see how Ohlendorf can do. I have heard about him being a top prospect since he started in the Arizona farm club. Getting him for Randy Johnson was a good trade. He is a hard thrower with good stuff as well. He could be the future setup man for Joba if they go that route or if Joba ends up starting maybe Ohlendorf becomes the closer. He certainly has the stuff to do it from what I have heard. Tonight will be the 1st time I see it first hand though.

[SmartassBoiler]

I really wanna see a Hughes - Buchholz game too. I think Hughes is and will have a better career though. Buchholz needs to learn to trust his catcher and let him call the game, plus Hughes is younger, has better stuff and is mature beyond his years(he wouldnt steal 29 computers from a school and sell them)

Hughes has better stuff than Buchholz? At best you can consider them even. Buchholz throws just as hard, but with a better curveball.

[SmartassBoiler]

Having watched Hughes tonight this is what I take from him.

...that he's not the 2nd coming that many Yankees thought he was?

[Tanner2126]

...that he's not the 2nd coming that many Yankees thought he was?

Hes still young!!! Give him a break!

[SmartassBoiler]

Hes still young!!! Give him a break!

...you should be telling that to all the Yankees fans that thought he'd be Cy Young material from day 1. That's who I was referring to.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Dice-K letting the Yankees right back in it though. He just doesnt have good command tonight at all. Its going to come down to the bullpens its looks. Advantage Yankees since Papelbon and Okajima are not available tonight. Rivera and Joba are fully rested and can go 1+ innings each.

[ToightLikeATiger]

...that he's not the 2nd coming that many Yankees thought he was?

Way too early to say he isnt going to be great lol. He is very young and its his first time at Fenway I believe. Its his first full year and sure there will be some bumps in the road. As long as he continues to show improvement then he cant be written off.

His 2nd half of the year should be better then the 1st and his second full season should be better then his first.

He has the stuff to do it. Like I said it will come down to mental toughness. Pitching in New York is an animal all in itself.

[SmartassBoiler]

Way too early to say he isnt going to be great lol. He is very young and its his first time at Fenway I believe. Its his first full year and sure there will be some bumps in the road. As long as he continues to show improvement then he cant be written off.

His 2nd half of the year should be better then the 1st and his second full season should be better then his first.

He has the stuff to do it. Like I said it will come down to mental toughness. Pitching in New York is an animal all in itself.

I'm not at all doubting that Phil Hughes has the talent to be an ace in the majors, but he hasn't mastered a 3rd pitch yet, and he's going to suffer the same bumps that all rookie pitchers do. Too many Yankees fans seemed to think he'd be immune to such things.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I'm not at all doubting that Phil Hughes has the talent to be an ace in the majors, but he hasn't mastered a 3rd pitch yet, and he's going to suffer the same bumps that all rookie pitchers do. Too many Yankees fans seemed to think he'd be immune to such things.

I think his changeup will be that 3rd pitch. He doesnt throw it enough though thats for sure. He really didnt use his curveball enough or well tonight either. Didnt mix it in the right spots. He also didnt seem to be on the same page with Molina with pitch selections. All that stuff is mental though. He has to learn to trust his stuff and his catcher.

I know what you are talking about though. Some Yankees fans already have Hughes built up to be the next Roger Clemens. Of course thats ridiculous. But I think the majority of Yankees fans are realistic about things. Whenever a top prospect comes up they are going to get built up a great deal. Its hard to ever live up to that.

As a Red Sox fan a lot was talked about Lester, Papelbon and Bucholtz in the farm system. But they werent talked about the way Hughes or Joba were. Lester hasnt been a top notch guy but he did win in the World Series. Papelbon maybe the best closer in baseball now. Bucholtz the book is still out on but he does have a no hitter in under 10 major league starts.

I cant honestly say Bucholtz is going to be a superstar pitcher though. I dont think he will be durable enough. He is a small pitcher and that worries me. He has great stuff though. HIs changeup is just nasty. He has an above average curve and a fastball 91-94. Bucholtz durability will decide what type of pitcher he can be.

I guess Justin Masterson is the next top notch Red Sox pitcher in the minors. Im sure not a lot of people know about him because he isnt being overly hyped. He has very good stuff as well though. Will be interesting to see when he comes up and how he does.

[SmartassBoiler]

All this talk about pitching prospects has this White Sox fan very confused. ;)

It's unfortunate that Dice-K didn't come through for his bullpen tonight when they desperately needed him to, but at least he got through 5. I was pretty certain he wouldn't make it that far.

[ToightLikeATiger]

All this talk about pitching prospects has this White Sox fan very confused. ;)

It's unfortunate that Dice-K didn't come through for his bullpen tonight when they desperately needed him to, but at least he got through 5. I was pretty certain he wouldn't make it that far.

Yeah Dice-K had a bad game. Just didnt have the command tonight. He still hasnt gotten use to the MLB strikezone it seems. Oh well its his 1st bad start of the year and he still could win.

Also only going 5 IP hurts but David Aardsma came through strong to help out.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Mike Timlin being in this game scares the crap out of me..sure enough HR to Giambi. Thankfully it was just a solo job. Still dont know why Javier Lopez isnt in the game to face the lefty.

[Donnellk13]

Well awful baseruning by melky and good heads up play by pedroia and i just realized how much i hate espn announcers they are so stupid

[ToightLikeATiger]

Huge double play....Javier Lopez got the job done. Thought he should have been in sooner. Now its up to Manny Delcarmen to show he can be a closer in the majors.

[Donnellk13]

Joe where is the bunt tying run on first with a speedy runner you have to bunt a single ties the game bad managing right there

[GOD ALL MIGHTY]

On August 24th, 2007 Okajima's ERA was 1.17 and he was perhaps the premeir set-up reliever in MLB. In his next appearance (August 30th vs. the Yankees) he gave up three earned runs in 2/3 of an inning ina 5-0 Boston loss bestremembered for Joba Chamberlain "buzzing the tower" on Kevin Youkilis.

Including that game and moving forward through the end of the World Series, Okajima pitched 18 1/3 innings, allowing 22 hits, 12 earned runs and five home runs. His ERA following the loss to NY on August 30th was 5.89. I think I remember him being described as having a "tired arm" and that may be true, but I also think he got less effective as people got a look at his funky delivery and had tape to watch.

Yes his arm is tired. Must be that world series ring on his finger that's making his arm tired.

[Donnellk13]

Yes his arm is tired. Must be that world series ring on his finger that's making his arm tired.

But that was before he won a World Series ring... and if thats the case how does jeter throw a ball:confused:

[kelso]

I just got back from the game, holy crap it was cold.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Yes his arm is tired. Must be that world series ring on his finger that's making his arm tired.

But that was before he won a World Series ring... and if thats the case how does jeter throw a ball:confused:

Classic.

I think his changeup will be that 3rd pitch. He doesnt throw it enough though thats for sure. He really didnt use his curveball enough or well tonight either. Didnt mix it in the right spots. He also didnt seem to be on the same page with Molina with pitch selections. All that stuff is mental though. He has to learn to trust his stuff and his catcher.

Their miscommunication looked like a bad marriage. But that kind of stuff will happen to anyone given the day. Either way, it's all about taking advantage of what you've got when it comes to that, and Hughes got taken advantage of.

I know what you are talking about though. Some Yankees fans already have Hughes built up to be the next Roger Clemens. Of course thats ridiculous. But I think the majority of Yankees fans are realistic about things. Whenever a top prospect comes up they are going to get built up a great deal. Its hard to ever live up to that.

It's my own fans getting riled up about the next phenom that is supposed to bring salvation to the followers. I don't really think the fans who do believe he's ready are sober anyway, he still has a lot of maturing to do before he can be what everyone's expectations are for him. I don't think my expectations for him are as high as the media and all the analysts are for him, I love the way his fastball moves, and when his curveball is on anyone is going to get crossed up by it.

But some of the previously mentioned use of his changeup will be crucial to his success down the road. Either way, it's not his time yet, but nights like tonight will give him more experience for later on down the road.

Regardless of your team tonight though this game was messy. It was a disgusting early pitching performance for both sides and the first 5 innings were pretty gross. I'm just glad the first series is over, I'm ready to watch the games when the guys on both sides have adjusted (Papi wasn't even in tonight, what kind of game is it where we don't have to pitch to Papi?) this wasn't what I envision for the Sox/Yankees series. We still have a lot more interesting series coming up, I'd like to see all the players show up for it, then we'll really get to see some interesting baseball :)

Congrats on taking the first series Sox fans, see ya later this week :cool:

[troop2325]

same old same old

[Mark Weber]

Hughes has better stuff than Buchholz? At best you can consider them even.

Buchholz has way better stuff than Hughes. Where else can you get laptop computers that cheap?

[SmartassBoiler]

Buchholz has way better stuff than Hughes. Where else can you get laptop computers that cheap?

That doesn't take away from the fact that the Buchholz's five fingers he used for that discount are the same five fingers he uses for that better curveball.

[GOD ALL MIGHTY]

I just got back from the game, holy crap it was cold.

Same here section 8 that game took forever. Hughes looked horrible. Makes you wonder about Santana. Those kids have sucked so far.

[RipkenFan8]

Does that mean we have to wait 8 more starts till he gets his next win !! :(

:D

[Bronx Bombers]

Same here section 8 that game took forever. Hughes looked horrible. Makes you wonder about Santana. Those kids have sucked so far.

Did you watch Kennedy's 2 starts? Did you watch Hughes' other 2 starts? His first Game Hughes was unhittable, one bad game doesnt make me wonder about Santana at all, who hasnt look great either. I'll say it again i would take Hughes/Ike/Cabrera over Santana any day

[GOD ALL MIGHTY]

Did you watch Kennedy's 2 starts? Did you watch Hughes' other 2 starts? His first Game Hughes was unhittable, one bad game doesnt make me wonder about Santana at all, who hasnt look great either. I'll say it again i would take Hughes/Ike/Cabrera over Santana any day




Say it again

[ToightLikeATiger]

Did you watch Kennedy's 2 starts? Did you watch Hughes' other 2 starts? His first Game Hughes was unhittable, one bad game doesnt make me wonder about Santana at all, who hasnt look great either. I'll say it again i would take Hughes/Ike/Cabrera over Santana any day

I think you are right. Santana is an amazing pitcher and probably could win 20 games with the Yankees if he was there. But I think he only has 1 or 2 yrs left before he starts that downward swing in his career. He is also very expensive which the Yankees dont need to be spending more money at this time.

Yankees are getting back to what helped them win in the 90's. Build the core of your team from within. If they are smart once they get Damon and Giambi off the books they wont go out and spend that money on huge contracts again. Instead they should find a Paul Oneill or Tino Martinez type guy who plays good defense and is a solid all around player. But most importantly is a good clubhouse guy.

With Damon, Giambi and Pavano off the books that would reduce payroll greatly and it will also help the Yankees. Extending Cano and Wang will be a must. Also eventually Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy will want more $$$ if they continue to improve. Spending the money on them will be wiser.

[Chevy Man 22]

Someone tell me why the Yankees still have that worthless piece of trash known as Farnsworth on their roster?? What he did tonight was exactly the opposite of what the Yankees stand for and that is class. Manny should've beat him down like there was no tomorrow.

I'm sure there is going to be some type of suspension or at the very least a hefty fine for Farsnworth and rightfully so.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Spiritual Manny would never beat anyone up even if they throw at him. He is one with the baseball diamond. Too be honest I dont think Manny even knew he was thrown at. He was off in Mannyland.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Farnsworth throwing behind Ramirez was pretty pathetic, what did Manny do? I'm glad the Red Sox didn't sink to the level of the Yankees even though Josh Beckett had every chance to respond. It was just a typical Yankee bush league move, "Wah Wah! You're hitting our pitchers so we're going to try and hit you", just a moronic and pointless move. I kind of wish Beckett cracked A-Rod in the head in the 8th inning so the Yankees would stop being bullies.

[Tanner2126]

I guess Farnsworthless is trying to get the fans on his side somehow. Since getting people out is not working.

[soxn07]

farnsworth throwing at manny with the intention he had and then the sox not hitting any of them shows the leval of class that the sox have and the leval of class the spanky's have,

[ToightLikeATiger]

Farnsworth throwing behind Ramirez was pretty pathetic, what did Manny do? I'm glad the Red Sox didn't sink to the level of the Yankees even though Josh Beckett had every chance to respond. It was just a typical Yankee bush league move, "Wah Wah! You're hitting our pitchers so we're going to try and hit you", just a moronic and pointless move. I kind of wish Beckett cracked A-Rod in the head in the 8th inning so the Yankees would stop being bullies.

Manny just picked up his bat and went back to the plate like nothing happened. It was as blatant as can be Farnsworth throwing at Manny. When Farsnworth came in I said "watch him hit Manny here since he is killing the Yankees this year." Farnsworth tried. But throwing at his head is dangerous and classless. Putting one on Manny's butt would have been ok in my book and Id understand that. But throwing at someones head is unexceptable.

As for Beckett of course he didnt retaliate. They wanted to win the game. Giving the Yankees offense free baserunners isnt the way to do that. Plus if he did retaliate he would have been ejected. Red Sox bench got warned for what Farnsworth did. Umps werent going to give Boston a chance to retaliate without punishment.

I am sure somewhere down the line the Red Sox will retaliate. But they wont throw at someones head. They will put one on the butt or hip and call it even.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I'm just wondering how long the Yankees will be allowed to get away with their crap, I remember Joba throwing those pitches at Youkilis's head last year and that freaking scum ginger Duncan trying to break Iwamura's leg in spring training, it's not about retaliation, it's always about being the bullies and the umpires quickly step in and don't allow the opposition to retaliate and then baseball doesn't do a good job of disciplining the players anyway. I wonder how Yankee fans would feel if some crazy lunatic was on the mound and hit A-Rod's elbow and he missed a long period of time.

[Todd13]

I'm glad the Red Sox don't have to pitch to that guy! THE YANKEE KILLER that is.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

I'm just wondering how long the Yankees will be allowed to get away with their crap, I remember Joba throwing those pitches at Youkilis's head last year and that freaking scum ginger Duncan trying to break Iwamura's leg in spring training, it's not about retaliation, it's always about being the bullies and the umpires quickly step in and don't allow the opposition to retaliate and then baseball doesn't do a good job of disciplining the players anyway. I wonder how Yankee fans would feel if some crazy lunatic was on the mound and hit A-Rod's elbow and he missed a long period of time.

This again?

Seriously you need to move on. Duncan's slide was isolated, he's never done anything like that before and I have no reason to believe that he'd ever do such a thing ever again.

You seriously need to stop being so dramatic. Guys get thrown at all the time, the Yankees aren't the only team that does it.

[troop2325]

Does Girardi think he is a NY Mafia boss....what a loser...he'll be fired by next season.

[Mark Weber]

Someone tell me why the Yankees still have that worthless piece of trash known as Farnsworth on their roster?? What he did tonight was exactly the opposite of what the Yankees stand for and that is class. Manny should've beat him down like there was no tomorrow.

I'm sure there is going to be some type of suspension or at the very least a hefty fine for Farsnworth and rightfully so.

You can't throw at someone's head - that's pretty much the code in baseball and Farnsworth's pitch was way too high. As for flipping Manny? It's about time. You can't let a guy get that comfortable at the plate, and I've never understood how Manny's showboat homer reactions haven't earned him more dirt naps.

I'm thrilled somebody pitched him WAY inside, but you can't ever throw at someone's head. Given Fansworth's usual control issues, it's absolutely possible he was trying to muscle up and come inside and simply lost the handle. As for Manny beating him down, you'll note that only one player was moving toward a confrontation. The other guy was messing with his batting gloves...

Here's the last guy who tangled with Kyle Farnsworth:

http://www.mlb.com/images/2003/06/19/gTWhWoVI.jpg

Still, I'm not sure it's Farnsworth rep that had Manny moonwalking. I don't think he'd rush Ian Kennedy, he's just not that kind of player.

[Mark Weber]

That doesn't take away from the fact that the Buchholz's five fingers he used for that discount are the same five fingers he uses for that better curveball.

That "better curveball" leaves a nice vapor trail on it's way out. :)

[Mark Weber]

Farnsworth throwing behind Ramirez was pretty pathetic, what did Manny do? I'm glad the Red Sox didn't sink to the level of the Yankees even though Josh Beckett had every chance to respond. It was just a typical Yankee bush league move, "Wah Wah! You're hitting our pitchers so we're going to try and hit you", just a moronic and pointless move. I kind of wish Beckett cracked A-Rod in the head in the 8th inning so the Yankees would stop being bullies.

A-Rod got hit the night before after homering. Try to keep up.

[Mark Weber]

farnsworth throwing at manny with the intention he had and then the sox not hitting any of them shows the leval of class that the sox have and the leval of class the spanky's have,

Or that the Fansworth pitch was "double retaliation" for the previous night's plunking of A-Rod and Manny's cheerleader act earlier in the night. Both benches were warned, so Boston essentially couldn't "re-retaliate" so it's a real stretch to chalk it up to Boston having some level of "class."

[Mark Weber]

I'm just wondering how long the Yankees will be allowed to get away with their crap, I remember Joba throwing those pitches at Youkilis's head last year and that freaking scum ginger Duncan trying to break Iwamura's leg in spring training, it's not about retaliation, it's always about being the bullies and the umpires quickly step in and don't allow the opposition to retaliate and then baseball doesn't do a good job of disciplining the players anyway. I wonder how Yankee fans would feel if some crazy lunatic was on the mound and hit A-Rod's elbow and he missed a long period of time.

I've criticized Chamberlain's pitch to Youkilis, Duncan's slide, and the location of Farnsworth's inside pitch - you'll get no argument from me on all three plays. But lets not pretend like the BoSox don't dust and flip Jeter and A-Rod ALL THE TIME.

[Therman Merman]

Not defending what Farnsworth did, but let's not pretend that the Yankees are the only team that does this stuff. Pitching inside, and even hitting a batter is part of the game. How quickly the "Nation" forgets about Pedro hitting Jeter ALL the time, even sending him to the hospital on one occasion. And in damn near every instance, the Yankees never retaliated. In fact, Torre was constantly criticized for not instructing his team to fight back.

But that's okay, keep living in your fantasy world where the Red Sox do no wrong.

[Donnellk13]

Not defending what Farnsworth did, but let's not pretend that the Yankees are the only team that does this stuff. Pitching inside, and even hitting a batter is part of the game. How quickly the "Nation" forgets about Pedro hitting Jeter ALL the time, even sending him to the hospital on one occasion. And in damn near every instance, the Yankees never retaliated. In fact, Torre was constantly criticized for not instructing his team to fight back.

But that's okay, keep living in your fantasy world where the Red Sox do no wrong.

Oo how I do remember that game, It was on my birthday and I was at the stadium. July 7th Pedro Martinez vs Mike Mussina. Sends both Soriano and Jeter to the hospital and has Robin Ventura playing second.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Not defending what Farnsworth did, but let's not pretend that the Yankees are the only team that does this stuff. Pitching inside, and even hitting a batter is part of the game. How quickly the "Nation" forgets about Pedro hitting Jeter ALL the time, even sending him to the hospital on one occasion. And in damn near every instance, the Yankees never retaliated. In fact, Torre was constantly criticized for not instructing his team to fight back.

But that's okay, keep living in your fantasy world where the Red Sox do no wrong.

Well it's good that there are a few people that least understand this.

[quiggle]

the Yankees also never retaliated when Pedro tossed Zimmer around like a rag doll

[Durstlimpbizkit]

the Yankees also never retaliated when Pedro tossed Zimmer around like a rag doll

Yup. That one is hard for anyone to forget.

[Mark Weber]

the Yankees also never retaliated when Pedro tossed Zimmer around like a rag doll

I never blamed Pedro for that - Zimmer rushed him. What was he supposed to do? Pedro played it with an ole! and basically got out of Zim's crazed rhino charge. The actions in that game (especially pointing at his head while screaming at Posada) were classic Pedro, but I never held the Zimmer incident against him.

[Tanner2126]

"We hit one of the best players and I guess they want to send a message and that's what they did," said Ramirez, batting .478 with 14 homers and 38 RBIs in 33 games against the Yankees since 2006. "They've got to back up their players and he did."

Mannys not taking it as bad as the Yankee Haters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280417110

[Durstlimpbizkit]

"We hit one of the best players and I guess they want to send a message and that's what they did," said Ramirez, batting .478 with 14 homers and 38 RBIs in 33 games against the Yankees since 2006. "They've got to back up their players and he did."

Mannys not taking it as bad as the Yankee Haters.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280417110

I read that this morning too.

Some people like to take this farther than the actually people playing the game.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Not defending what Farnsworth did, but let's not pretend that the Yankees are the only team that does this stuff. Pitching inside, and even hitting a batter is part of the game. How quickly the "Nation" forgets about Pedro hitting Jeter ALL the time, even sending him to the hospital on one occasion. And in damn near every instance, the Yankees never retaliated. In fact, Torre was constantly criticized for not instructing his team to fight back.

But that's okay, keep living in your fantasy world where the Red Sox do no wrong.

So, we're going to bring up incidents from years ago and try to use them to justify the crap the Yankees have pulled only a few weeks into this season? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense but whatever floats your boat, I guess.

[GOD ALL MIGHTY]

Phil Hughes ran out of gas another wasted effort. Nice play by Arod with the double pump to cost the Yanks run. This team is becoming a joke. If Wang only had an Ace like Santana to help him out and make Joba a starter things woud drasticly improve. Lets not get into Moose and Andy.... What a sorry pitching stafff.

[Chevy Man 22]

Farnsworth handed a 3 game vacation by MLB and IMO rightfully so.

[SeattleMariners51445]

Lets just say Yankee pitching isn't too hot for fantasy right now:(

[pakalolo2]

Manny Ramirez had some interesting comments on Kyle Farnsworth, who threw behind his head with a 97 mph fastball Thursday night and received a three-game suspension from league disciplinarian Bob Watson.

"He don't deserve that. He was just protecting his players," Ramirez said. "You know we hit A-Rod the game before."

Though Ramirez responded by getting out of the way he admitted, "To be honest with you I never saw the pitch."

Ramirez was pretty matter-of-fact about it.

"That's the way the game is played. You hit one of their guys, they're gonna hit one of yours," he reasoned


I figure I'd add some class to this OFFICIAL trash thread...