OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Red Sox trash talking thread

[Mavrik28]

Actually, he's more like Randy Johnson :eek: bad...their numbers are almost identical and The Overpaid Unit makes $15.7 Million while Beckett costs the Red Sox $4.3 Million.

Randy is old, what the heck is Joshie's excuse? I love when Red Sox fans bring up salary. Salary has nothing to do with the issue. The issue is the high level of suck coming from Joshie Beckett.

[Vinnie4]

I agree. Salary is something worked out between the agent and the team. A salary reflects how badly a team wants a certain player. While the player's ability drives up the size of the contract, it's foolish to base expectations on salary. When a couple teams are after the same player, the team's desire for that certain player also drives up the salary.

[Mark Weber]

Actually, he's more like Randy Johnson :eek: bad...their numbers are almost identical and The Overpaid Unit makes $15.7 Million while Beckett costs the Red Sox $4.3 Million.

Actually, Beckett cost the Red Sox 4.3 million, a good pitching prospect and this year's N.L. Rookie of the Year...

Yah, there was a snag on the Bruins Bourque delivery - turns out expensive figures need an approval from near the top of the food chain before they get shipped. I sent the request yesterday and it should hit the mail this week. My apologies for the delay.

[Mark Weber]

Reason being is because he sucks as a pitcher. He is a pure thrower. And so far he has shown no willingness to learn. He should be picker Schillings brain every day until he improves.

But no... he thinks his 96mph fastball down the middle and belt high is enough. Sorry to say but in the AL that doesnt cut it. Also his curveball is nasty but does nothing when behind in the count and you cant throw it for strikes.

AL hitters are far better then NL. They are more patient and more dangerous. Beckett will never succeed in the AL until he learns how to pitch.

Fastball and Curveball are fine to have. but he needs to learn a ball that sinks and gets ground balls (which count as outs just as good as strikeouts) he should learn a cutter and a splitter.

but until he learns that what he is now isnt enough he doesnt cut the mustard.

I think you should give Tiger credit for offering insight on his team rather than blindly backing it. His insight on Beckett is daed-on, particularly the part about not learning from Schilling. Curt is a willing tutor (he worked extensively with Brandon Webb and tried to with Byung-Hyun Kim here in Arizona) and while Curt gives up a fair share of homers they are almost always solo shots because he doesn't offer many walks and always pitches aggressively.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

The only positive for the Red Sox is that they haven't signed Beckett to a long-term extension but with what they gave up for him they might be forced into that sooner or later. I'm praying AJ Burnett doesn't do what Beckett is doing.

[ToightLikeATiger]

The only positive for the Red Sox is that they haven't signed Beckett to a long-term extension but with what they gave up for him they might be forced into that sooner or later. I'm praying AJ Burnett doesn't do what Beckett is doing.

Sox gave up Hanley Ramirez...yeah he is looking good for the Marlins but the Redsox have Dustin Pedrioa as their future SS.

So even though they did deal a top SS prospect for Beckett they do have another guy they wanted even more. Pedroia is much like Youkilis. Not the biggest prospect but he will hit around .300. get on base a lot and play good defense.

Sox dont need to give Beckett a long term deal. I still think they will though. Hopefully Beckett smartens up and takes advantage of pitching with Schilling over the next year and a half.

All Beckett needs to do is look at Jonathan Papelbon. Last year when he was called up Schilling too him under his wing. Taught him a splitter and now look at Paps. He is arguably the best closer in baseball right now. I dont think he would have been this good if he hadnt picked Schillings brain and learn.

Beckett could be a Cy Young award winner. He is only 25 so he hasnt hit his prime yet. But he will never amount to anything if he doesnt change his approach.

[Mark Weber]

Sox gave up Jeff Bagwell...yeah he is looking good for the Astros but the Redsox have Tim Naehring as their future 3B.

So even though they did deal a top 3B prospect for Larry Andersen they do have another guy they wanted even more. Naehring is much like Boggs. Not the biggest prospect but he will hit around .300. get on base a lot and play good defense.

I couldn't agree more. :)

[ToightLikeATiger]

I couldn't agree more. :)

Larry Anderson did what the Redsox got him to do. He helped them into the playoffs and pitched very well.

Many teams do this. You dont know exactly how certain players will pan out. Plus Mo Vaughn ended up taking over 1B.

Boggs was an ignorant move by an ignorant GM. dont even get me started on that cause i dont feel like really ripping someone today lol.

But then you get moves like Pavano and Armas Jr for Pedro Martinez. i dont think anyone would disagree that move was great.

Pavano and Armas Jr were considered very good prospects. Armas Jr is below average in the NL and Pavano..... um well.... I guess you being a Yankees fan know his deal.

Also lets see what Hanley Ramirez does next year. Pitchers will adjust to him and figure out his weaknesses. As much as he was hyped as a top prospect the Redsox never looked at him like that. They had Dustin Pedroia ranked higher at the major league level.

We wont know what will happen for a couple years though. Beckett may learn to pitch and win 20 games and a Cy Young. He may suck and Hanley Ramirez may become the best SS and leadoff man in the NL.

Just dont know at this point.

The Redsox arent hurting at SS though so that is the reason they made the move. They needed pitching. Alex Gonazalez is amazing defensively and his bat is a lot better then i thought it would be. Beckett although not doing well is a young talented arm. Those are hard to come by.

I like Beckett and i hope he turns it around and is a Redsox player for a long time. But right now he makes me sick every time he goes out. With Wakefield's back hurting and Lester being young and inexperienced Beckett needs to step it up and help Curt carry the team. David Wells is close to coming back and quite frankly i have more confidence in him coming back as a #5 starter and doing well then i do Beckett being even in the rotation right now.

[Mavrik28]

The Red Sox also gave up Anibal Sanchez in the Beckett deal and he has looked solid this season. Marlins made off like theives in the night, dumping Lowell and Joshie and getting 4 prospects from the Red Sox, 2 of which (Hanley and Anibal) are contribtuing right now.

The Pedro deal was a great move for the Red Sox. They gave up 2 decent prospects at the time, but neither of them was projected to be Cy Young winners. Pedro had already won a Cy Young so you knew he was the real deal.

Beckett had a subpar 2004 and 2005. Red Sox people and RSN kept harping on his great 2003 playoff run. But that was in 2003. They forgot to look at the struggles he had with blisters and injuries in 2004 and 2005. You get what you pay for and Beckett right now is a lemon.

[Sbells]

Reason being is because he sucks as a pitcher. He is a pure thrower. And so far he has shown no willingness to learn. He should be picker Schillings brain every day until he improves.

But no... he thinks his 96mph fastball down the middle and belt high is enough. Sorry to say but in the AL that doesnt cut it. Also his curveball is nasty but does nothing when behind in the count and you cant throw it for strikes.

AL hitters are far better then NL. They are more patient and more dangerous. Beckett will never succeed in the AL until he learns how to pitch.

Fastball and Curveball are fine to have. but he needs to learn a ball that sinks and gets ground balls (which count as outs just as good as strikeouts) he should learn a cutter and a splitter.

but until he learns that what he is now isnt enough he doesnt cut the mustard.

I'm not going to partake in the general debate of which league has the better players/hitters. It's a wide open argument that will have no facts to back either view other than wins/losses, and that's simply showing which league has the better team(s).

I would like to know where you got your stats showing that AL hitters are more patient (dangerous is another topic that can be debated without facts). If you pull up the stats on MLB.com, NL hitters see more pitches (+2,339 as a league, an average of 23 more pitches per hitter. Youkilis ranks #1 with 1845). However, NL hitters also get more plate appearances (+412 as a league, an average of 4 more PAs per hitter. Ichiro ranks #1 with 435).

If you take the total AL # of pitches seen (130,429) and divide it by the total number of plate appearances (34,495) you get 3.781099 pitches per plate appearance on average for an AL batter. If you do the same with the NL (132,768 #P divided by 34,907 PA), you get 3.803478 pitches per plate appearance on average for an NL batter. They are nearly identical numbers, with the slight edge going to the NL.

One thing to note, if the numbers seem low it's because the stats are based on the top 100 of each category. I'd still say that it's a pretty good sample size.

[Sbells]

I just went and looked at some of the leaders, and I think I see why you believe AL hitters are more patient...

10 out of the top 25 players who have seen the most pitches in the AL come from the AL east, with 4 of those being from Boston. That's a pretty good percentage toward the AL East, let alone Boston themselves.

[orionquest]

Sox gave up Heathcliff Slocumb...yeah he is looking good for the Mariners but the Redsox have Derek Lowe as their future pitcher.

So even though they did deal a top pitcher for Lowe they do have another guy they wanted even more. Varitek could be much like Fisk. Not the biggest prospect but he will hit around .300. get on base a lot and play good defense.

C'mon, now... we're going to bring up Bagwell? :eek: That's stretching it. Every competitive team makes the trades they have to., and not every one is perfect.

[orionquest]

The Red Sox also gave up Anibal Sanchez in the Beckett deal and he has looked solid this season. Marlins made off like theives in the night, dumping Lowell and Joshie and getting 4 prospects from the Red Sox, 2 of which (Hanley and Anibal) are contribtuing right now.

Last I checked, no Red Sox fans were complaining about the acquisition of Mike Lowell. ;)

[fenwayp]

Yah, there was a snag on the Bruins Bourque delivery - turns out expensive figures need an approval from near the top of the food chain before they get shipped. I sent the request yesterday and it should hit the mail this week. My apologies for the delay.

YOU DA MAN !!

[fenwayp]

Wow ! Jon Lester pitched a GEM tonight...he has really pitched well for the Red Sox. Hopefully the Mariners finish off the Yankees and the Sox are back to a 1.5 game lead...

[ToightLikeATiger]

Wow ! Jon Lester pitched a GEM tonight...he has really pitched well for the Red Sox. Hopefully the Mariners finish off the Yankees and the Sox are back to a 1.5 game lead...

Lester pitched very well tonight. his longest outing and definetly his smoothest outing. He is going to be a stud pitcher.

but lets remember that it was against the Royals. They are improved from last year imo but they are still the worst team in the AL.

Redsox won 2 games so far by 1 run each. they scored 1 run tonight vs Brandon Duckworth.

Im sorry but even though the wins are good they should be playing a lot better vs the Royals. The way they are playing now wouldnt cut it vs an average team (see Oakland series). They need to step it up and start putting it all together.

We will see how Beckett finishes the series off. with the lack of homerun hitters on the Royals he will probably look good. So if he pitches well im not gonna get too excited.

[fenwayp]

A win is a win during a 162-game marathon. I'll take it and be happy with it...

[fenwayp]

The Blue Jays bullpen really sucked tonight...blew a nice outing from Marcum...

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

The Blue Jays bullpen really sucked tonight...blew a nice outing from Marcum...

And they wonder why most Torontonians don't give a **** about baseball. We've been watching this crap for 12 years and nothing really has changed, we're still looking up at the YANKS AND THE SAWX!

[fenwayp]

What is the delay in the Yankees game ?

[laurensmommy]

What is the delay in the Yankees game ?

I was watching on espn.com and it says rain delay

[fenwayp]

Strange time to call a delay for rain...

[Bronx Bombers]

Beating the Royals only by 1 run each game isnt really a acomplishmint(sp). Sweeping the defending WSC the only time they were swept all year is something to be proud of.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Beating the Royals only by 1 run each game isnt really a acomplishmint(sp). Sweeping the defending WSC the only time they were swept all year is something to be proud of.

LOL, what does that have to do with anything, Big Dog?

[ComradeFlyer]

And they wonder why most Torontonians don't give a **** about baseball. We've been watching this crap for 12 years and nothing really has changed, we're still looking up at the YANKS AND THE SAWX!

i was up in TO for the jays-mariners game this past saturday, really fun game to watch, but people were just getting up and leaving in the 10th, 11th, 12th and 13th innings... they guy right behind me said "i don't care where this game is, we're going to dinner at 7:15".... come on man, its an extra innings baseball game.


i saw almost as many leafs jerseys as i saw blue jays.

[fenwayp]

Beating the Royals only by 1 run each game isnt really a acomplishmint(sp). Sweeping the defending WSC the only time they were swept all year is something to be proud of.

At least the Red Sox haven't lost to KC yet this year...more than the Yankees can say...

[Mark Weber]

Beating the Royals only by 1 run each game isnt really a acomplishmint(sp). Sweeping the defending WSC the only time they were swept all year is something to be proud of.

A win is a win. They count the same at the end of the year.

[ChicagoRules]

Damon playing 1st...hmmmmm

[Mavrik28]

Damon playing 1st...hmmmmm

he had to play first because the Torre used up all his infielders. Cairo and Green were replaced. So he had to move Phillips to 2nd, Damon to 1st in order to keep Giambi in the lineup.

[ChicagoRules]

he had to play first because the Torre used up all his infielders. Cairo and Green were replaced. So he had to move Phillips to 2nd, Damon to 1st in order to keep Giambi in the lineup.i know ive been watching the game since the end of the sox-tigers game, its just one of those unique things

i think you mean to keep the DH in cause torre could move him to first but that would take away the DH and the pitcher would have to bat

last time i remember that happening was when the yanks had to put shef at 3rd and such in 2004 (?) but the pitcher didnt bat.

[ChicagoRules]

damn looks at those ppl in tose horrible seats

[Mark Weber]

Yanks stay hot! Rivera didn't pitch in this game and these guys: Robinson Cano, Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield didn't play in the game and Alex Rodriguez and Jorge Posada didn't start. I continue to be impressed by the bench play and the wins strung together by this patchwork lineup.

[Yukoner]

Nice call in that Yanks game. Out by a step, and it leads to the tying run.

[Mavrik28]

Nice call in that Yanks game. Out by a step, and it leads to the tying run.

Like the Yankees are the only team to ever get a call in their favor. Nobody else. Just the Yankees. Ask the Yankees when they played in Minnesota about the great umpires in MLB.

[Mavrik28]

Why did the "experts" think the Blue Jays were a threat to either the Red Sox or Yankees? What are they 5 back in the loss column now?

[orionquest]

Wow. Just wow.

Yanks tie in the 9th and win with a Cabrera walkoff in 11.
The Sox rookies combine for an 8+1 one hitter on the same night.

If this continues, only one thing is certain: everyone who posts on this board will be developing an ulcer at the end of September!

What a night! :eek:

[ChicagoRules]

Why did the "experts" think the Blue Jays were a threat to either the Red Sox or Yankees? What are they 5 back in the loss column now?5 games back in the loss for is good for any either in that division that doesnt have a k or x in their name.

[fenwayp]

That game was a gift from the Umpire to the Yankees. I'm not saying that other bad calls aren't made, but any Yankee fan that saw that play has to admit that it turned the outcome of the game. It was a blatantly missed call.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Why did the "experts" think the Blue Jays were a threat to either the Red Sox or Yankees? What are they 5 back in the loss column now?

They're still only 4.5 games out of first place, that would definitely qualify as a "threat" in my book, Mr. "I am a Yankee fan just to bother my fellow Boston-ians" man.

[Vinnie4]

That game was a gift from the Umpire to the Yankees. I'm not saying that other bad calls aren't made, but any Yankee fan that saw that play has to admit that it turned the outcome of the game. It was a blatantly missed call.
Was it a missed call? Sure. But if the umpires call ball 4 agaianst Mirabelli on that outside pitch like they should have, he never hits that 3 run home run against the Royals the other day either. Every team benefits and suffers from blown calls. But I didin't see you post on here about that.:rolleyes:

Oh, and it's so nice to hear from you after that long break. I guess the weather is nice for being a Red Sox fan again.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Missed calls don't really matter when you allow hits to scrubs like Andy Phillips and Aaron Guiel. Seattle didn't deserve to win if they couldn't retire argubally the two worst hitters the Yankees have on their entire roster. It was truly pathetic.

[Yukoner]

Why did the "experts" think the Blue Jays were a threat to either the Red Sox or Yankees? What are they 5 back in the loss column now?

Yeah, it's over. You can tell, because five games in mid July is clearly insurmountable.

[Mavrik28]

Yeah, it's over. You can tell, because five games in mid July is clearly insurmountable.

I neved said it was over or that they couldn't make up 5 games. I was just asking why people think that the Blue Jays could overcome the SAWX or YANKS. They have a great #1 in Roy and an awesome closer in BJ, but what else about this Blue Jays team makes them better then the Red Sox or Yankees? Its all I'm asking. Blue Jays fans on this board take things way too serious.

[Mavrik28]

They're still only 4.5 games out of first place, that would definitely qualify as a "threat" in my book, Mr. "I am a Yankee fan just to bother my fellow Boston-ians" man.

I happen to be a Yankees fan because I want to be. I could care less about Red Sox fans. Why are you a Blue Jays fan? Do you even like the Blue Jays? You complain about them alot so I'm not sure.

[Mavrik28]

Yeah, it's over. You can tell, because five games in mid July is clearly insurmountable.

For the Blue Jays .500 would be an accomplishment.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I happen to be a Yankees fan because I want to be.

Okay...

I could care less about Red Sox fans.

Haha, are you sure? Your whole modus operandi on this board is to rag on Red Sox fans and berate the franchise in any possible way (See: your lame "racism" angle and changing your avatar to a picture of Martin Luther King Jr. just to rip on the Red Sox a few weeks ago). So, that was just a bold-faced lie, you DO care about the Red Sox and their fans even more than you care about the Yankees simply because you spend all your time on the board ragging on them.

Why are you a Blue Jays?

I could play better defense than Russ Adams but no, I am not a Blue Jay.

Do you even like the Blue Jays?

Yes, very much actually.

You complain about them alot so I'm not sure.

That is what fans do, they complain about their team as much as they root for their team because second guessing IS sports. I don't understand what's so unusual about that aspect.

For the Blue Jays .500 would be an accomplishment.

Maybe in the past, but this team is built to and capable of winning 90+ games.

[Mavrik28]

Okay...



Haha, are you sure? Your whole modus operandi on this board is to rag on Red Sox fans and berate the franchise in any possible way (See: your lame "racism" angle and changing your avatar to a picture of Martin Luther King Jr. just to rip on the Red Sox a few weeks ago). So, that was just a bold-faced lie, you DO care about the Red Sox and their fans even more than you care about the Yankees simply because you spend all your time on the board ragging on them.



I could play better defense than Russ Adams but no, I am not a Blue Jay.



Yes, very much actually.



That is what fans do, they complain about their team as much as they root for their team because second guessing IS sports. I don't understand what's so unusual about that aspect.



Maybe in the past, but this team is built to and capable of winning 90+ games.

I haven't ragged on Red Sox fans in over a week. No need to, they pretty much do that to themselves.

You really think the Blue Jyas are capable of winning 90 games? Maybe if they kept the locker room clean, then I could see them winning 90 games. But 90 is still not enough to make the playoffs.

[Vinnie4]

Yeah, it's over. You can tell, because five games in mid July is clearly insurmountable.
According to certain Boston fans on this board it is.:p

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Mavrik: Oh, that is a forgone conclusion. Everything had to go right for them to make the playoffs yet everything hasn't YET they are only 4.5 games back with plenty of games left against the Yankees and Red Sox so I guess anything is possible. Before the season I predicted that the Blue Jays would finish 91-71 and miss the playoffs, I think my prediction will be pretty close.

[Vinnie4]

Missed calls don't really matter when you allow hits to scrubs like Andy Phillips and Aaron Guiel. Seattle didn't deserve to win if they couldn't retire argubally the two worst hitters the Yankees have on their entire roster. It was truly pathetic.
While it is true that these 2 are far from the best players on the roster, these guys wouldn't be playing pro ball if they couldn't come up with some timely hits every now and again. I know it stings when Toronto loses when both the Yankees and Red Sox win, but loosen up a little.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

While it is true that these 2 are far from the best players on the roster, these guys wouldn't be playing pro ball if they couldn't come up with some timely hits every now and again. I know it stings when Toronto loses when both the Yankees and Red Sox win, but loosen up a little.

I was on your side Vinnie ;).

Bad calls are bad calls but you have to take advantage of them and the Yankees did which they deserve credit for.

[SmartassBoiler]

Like the Yankees are the only team to ever get a call in their favor. Nobody else. Just the Yankees. Ask the Yankees when they played in Minnesota about the great umpires in MLB.

Haha, let's throw a fit about someone correctly pointing out a bad call.

[Vinnie4]

I was on your side Vinnie ;).

Bad calls are bad calls but you have to take advantage of them and the Yankees did which they deserve credit for.
And I still say it will be the Yankees and Blue Jays advancing from the East.

[Mavrik28]

Haha, let's throw a fit about someone correctly pointing out a bad call.

White Sox got the biggest gift call I've ever seen in baseball. So you would have all kinds of insight on bad calls by umpires.

[fenwayp]

Beckett was STELLAR today...Red Sox gain a game on the Yankees :D

[SmartassBoiler]

White Sox got the biggest gift call I've ever seen in baseball. So you would have all kinds of insight on bad calls by umpires.

Yeah, I watch them go for and against my favorite teams in all sports. Better stock up on Kleenex the next time you're out.

[SmartassBoiler]

I read a recap of the Red Sox game today and the writer marveled at how different Beckett looked today with Mirabelli behind the plate. He called a great game mixing the fastballs, curves, and changeups together well and stated that Varitek should take notes.

He did note that this was against one of the worst offenses in baseball, but that the point remained that Mirabelli called a much better game today with Beckett on the mound and that Beckett would have had a great outing regardless of the opponent.

[Mark Weber]

Tough loss for the Yankees today. I think a lineup that includes Melky Cabrera, Andy Phillips, Nick Green, Aaron Guiel & Kelly Stinnett is going to have trouble scoring runs any day. Losing ground is never good, but it's another series win for the Yankees and they're still playing very, very well.

[Mavrik28]

Yeah, I watch them go for and against my favorite teams in all sports. Better stock up on Kleenex the next time you're out.

Still doesn't hide the fact that the White Sox can't beat eh AL East.

[Bronx Bombers]

The Yankees and Red Sox are gonna be about even until Matsui, Sheff, and Dotel come back then the divison is ours. There lineup will be
Damon-CF
Jeter-SS
Giambi-1B/Phillps
A-Rod-3B
Matsui-LF/Cabrera
Abreu-RF/Sheff/Williams
Sheffield-DH/Giambi
Posada-C
Cano-2B

Now thats a lineup that wins WS.

[nhstunner]

The Yankees and Red Sox are gonna be about even until Matsui, Sheff, and Dotel come back then the divison is ours. There lineup will be
Damon-CF
Jeter-SS
Giambi-1B/Phillps
A-Rod-3B
Matsui-LF/Cabrera
Abreu-RF/Sheff/Williams
Sheffield-DH/Giambi
Posada-C
Cano-2B

Now thats a lineup that wins WS.

IF Sheffield/Matsui come back. Wrist injuries can set a career back YEARS, ask Nomar....

almost missed that too.....youre NOT getting Abreu, no one is, George wont give up prospects or that much cash....

[ComradeFlyer]

wow, yankees traded for abreu without having to give up any young roster players today. how did that happen? <carcasm>

[bjk311nh]

Like the Yankees are the only team to ever get a call in their favor. Nobody else. Just the Yankees. Ask the Yankees when they played in Minnesota about the great umpires in MLB.

LOL yeah right. I can see Red Sox fans being pissed about that stupid speaker taking away a HR from Ortiz but c'mon. What play or calls are you referring to?

[orionquest]

IF Sheffield/Matsui come back. Wrist injuries can set a career back YEARS, ask Nomar....

almost missed that too.....youre NOT getting Abreu, no one is, George wont give up prospects or that much cash....

And it's a big, big if. I don't say this as a Red Sox fan (if that's possible) but as a baseball fan. Matsui's injury is the type that hinders a player for years. Some players never regain their form. Garciaparra is a perfect example. He's never been the same since his wrist injury, and it's an injury that's easy to aggravate. I don't wish ill on the guy,; he deserve to rebound and play well. But don't count on it.

[orionquest]

Tough loss for the Yankees today. I think a lineup that includes Melky Cabrera, Andy Phillips, Nick Green, Aaron Guiel & Kelly Stinnett is going to have trouble scoring runs any day. Losing ground is never good, but it's another series win for the Yankees and they're still playing very, very well.

I have to say, Mark, I'm really impressed with the Yankees right now. I expected the Sox to be five games up right now based on the Yankees' deficiencies. Instead, our offense disappeared, and your bench players are playing their guts out.

Fenwayp, Toight, and any of the other Sox fans here... are you nervous about what you've been seeing? As happy as I am to watch Lester and Beckett pitch well, it was the Royals. The Sox should put up 5-8 runs a night on their pitching. And Wake's injury worries me. I'm glad we don't play the Yanks until August.

Hopefully, this offensive funk will pass. Maybe Wells will remember how to pitch, too!

[Bronx Bombers]

The Yankees can easily get Abreu without giving up Cano, Cabrera, or Wang just by $$$$.

[fenwayp]

I have to say, Mark, I'm really impressed with the Yankees right now. I expected the Sox to be five games up right now based on the Yankees' deficiencies. Instead, our offense disappeared, and your bench players are playing their guts out.

Fenwayp, Toight, and any of the other Sox fans here... are you nervous about what you've been seeing? As happy as I am to watch Lester and Beckett pitch well, it was the Royals. The Sox should put up 5-8 runs a night on their pitching. And Wake's injury worries me. I'm glad we don't play the Yanks until August.

Hopefully, this offensive funk will pass. Maybe Wells will remember how to pitch, too!

I'm not nervous, because I think the Red Sox are healthier overall, and they are playing fine. Their defense is excellent, and their schedule is more favorable that the Yankees. I give the Yankees credit for the way they are playing, though.

[fenwayp]

Red Sox roll to victory once again...

[fenwayp]

ARod shows his true colors again by committing another critical error that allowed Toronto to rally to a 4-3 lead ! GO JAYS !!

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

******* Yankee hitters have no strike zone.

[whoh8sbacon]

ARod shows his true colors again by committing another critical error that allowed Toronto to rally!!

Yeah, that was beautiful. :D

Almost as beautiful as Vernon Wells tagging Mariano for that walk off homer, Rivera's first homer he's given up all season (YIKES!). :D :D

[ToightLikeATiger]

The Yankees can easily get Abreu without giving up Cano, Cabrera, or Wang just by $$$$.

Phillies are a large market team. they dont need to trade Abreu. So it will take more then money to get him. They are going to want prospects who are major league ready or close to it.

Something the Yankees dont really have. Duncan and Hughes are closest thing they have. I dont see Yanks dealing Hughes for another high priced egotistical OF when they have Matsui closer to returning and Bernie/Melky platoon in RF.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I read a recap of the Red Sox game today and the writer marveled at how different Beckett looked today with Mirabelli behind the plate. He called a great game mixing the fastballs, curves, and changeups together well and stated that Varitek should take notes.

He did note that this was against one of the worst offenses in baseball, but that the point remained that Mirabelli called a much better game today with Beckett on the mound and that Beckett would have had a great outing regardless of the opponent.

i wouldnt say Mirabelli called a better game. Varitek calls for Beckett to mix up his pitches also. Difference is Beckett hasnt had control of any of his pitches for a long string of starts.

He finally had command and the mistaked he did make he got away with cause it was the Royals.

Mirabelli is a great backup catcher and is a good game caller no doubt. But he had the luxury of Beckett finally having all his pitches working. which is a rarity

[orionquest]

i wouldnt say Mirabelli called a better game. Varitek calls for Beckett to mix up his pitches also. Difference is Beckett hasnt had control of any of his pitches for a long string of starts.

He finally had command and the mistaked he did make he got away with cause it was the Royals.

Mirabelli is a great backup catcher and is a good game caller no doubt. But he had the luxury of Beckett finally having all his pitches working. which is a rarity

I'd love to read the original article that tells Varitek to take notes from Mirabelli. That just sounds silly. Varitek is one of the most respected catchers in the game, and I doubt that Beckett's struggles are due to Varitek. If anything, it's likely that Tek, 'Belli and Beckett all discussed the strategy at hand, and Beckett has accepted that he needs to pitch more than hurl.

Let's hope that it continues, and Beckett pushes to 20+ wins. Time to crush Seattle!

[Mark Weber]

With Varitek's bat semingly waking, and Wakefield on the shelf - it'll be interesting to see who catches Beckett's next start...

[ToightLikeATiger]

With Varitek's bat semingly waking, and Wakefield on the shelf - it'll be interesting to see who catches Beckett's next start...

probably Mirabelli.... since Varitek gets every 5th day off to begin with. Beckett's next start lines up with that.

Nothing really to read into just the normal Varitek 5th day off. When Wakefield comes back Mirabelli will be catching him only.

[fenwayp]

Yeah, that was beautiful. :D

Almost as beautiful as Vernon Wells tagging Mariano for that walk off homer, Rivera's first homer he's given up all season (YIKES!). :D :D

Vernon Wells is AWESOME...extremely underrated player.

[Vinnie4]

******* Yankee hitters have no strike zone.
And I'm sure it had nothing to do with Molina trying to show up the umpire.

[Yukoner]

And I'm sure it had nothing to do with Molina trying to show up the umpire.

Why do you think he was doing that? Getting squeezed all night, Molina decided to make it pretty visible.

[Vinnie4]

Why do you think he was doing that? Getting squeezed all night, Molina decided to make it pretty visible.
I've noticed an odd strike zone all season long, and not just with the Yankees. It happens in just about every game. To me, this is just like bringing up the bad call the other night. Would you guys like to blame the Yankees for anything else? A box of tissues is on it's way.

[fenwayp]

LOL...Toronto pounding the Yankees again... :D

[Vinnie4]

LOL...Toronto pounding the Yankees again... :D
What was that? Thank you A-Rod. 2000 hits, and 450 HR

[Yukoner]

Thank the first base ump. Jeter was out.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

That was AJ's fault. He should be prepared to get at least 30 outs tonight.

[fenwayp]

The Yankees will stil lose, because the Blue Jays are better...

[Vinnie4]

Thank the first base ump. Jeter was out.
I'm sure George opened his wallet and all the umps are on the Yankee payroll.:rolleyes: The umps have blown calls forever, and will continue to do so. A slow sport like baseball could really use instant replay for calls in the field and not slow the game down any. But unless MLB goes that route, you will have missed calls.

[Vinnie4]

The Yankees will stil lose, because the Blue Jays are better...
You're really going out on a limb there, picking the team with a lead to win the game.;)

[Bronx Bombers]

If the Blue Jays are better than the Yankees then the Blue Kays are better than Boston too.

[rimpila3]

If the Blue Jays are better than the Yankees then the Blue Kays are better than Boston too.

Great comeback.:rolleyes:

[Yukoner]

E-Rod.

[fenwayp]

E-Rod.

LOL...Alex Knoblauch :D :eek:
Chalk up another horrible defensive play (that leads to yet another unearned run) for the most overrated player in baseball.

[fenwayp]

ARod now LEADS the American League in ERRORS with 18.
His fielding Pct. is hideous...

[fenwayp]

The Yankees have committed twice as many errors as the Red Sox this year...

[Yukoner]

LOL...Alex Knoblauch :D :eek:
Chalk up another horrible defensive play (that leads to yet another unearned run) for the most overrated player in baseball.

Two, actually, in the same at-bat. He couldn't find the foul pop, then threw like a chick to collect the error.

[fenwayp]

Two, actually, in the same at-bat. He couldn't find the foul pop, then threw like a chick to collect the error.

That's not all he does like a chick (I know it's old, but it's still funny :D )

http://waruiyatsu.com/blog/images/ARodPurse.jpg

[fenwayp]

Yankees bite the dust again :D

[fenwayp]

And BIG PAPI strikes again...Sox lead early, looking to push 3.5 games ahead of the "other" team from New York :D

[whoh8sbacon]

What was that? Thank you A-Rod.

Yes, thank you A-Rod, for the ball that skipped under your glove for a double, the foul ball you lost in the night sky, and the throwing error that pulled your first baseman off the bag, eventually leading to a run. ;)

[whoh8sbacon]

If the Blue Jays are better than the Yankees then the Blue Kays are better than Boston too.

Well, have you looked at Boston's record against the Jays this year? ;)

[Mavrik28]

That's not all he does like a chick (I know it's old, but it's still funny :D )

http://waruiyatsu.com/blog/images/ARodPurse.jpg
Typical Red Sox fan, living in the PAST.

[Mavrik28]

The Yankees lost today because Jaret Wright pitched. Its simple as that. But the small minded fans out there just blame A-Rod.

Blue Jays have played 2 really good games, but now the Yanks get to face the rest of their staff. Yankees will win the next 2 and get the split.

Red Sox had another 2 errors tonight. How many errors is that now since their streak ended?

And for the love of God. where is ROBERTBEE. This place isn't the same without his senseless ramblings. Even though fenwayp is doing a good job of trying to be like bee with the senseless ramblings.

[fenwayp]

The Yankees lost today because Jaret Wright pitched. Its simple as that. But the small minded fans out there just blame A-Rod.

Blue Jays have played 2 really good games, but now the Yanks get to face the rest of their staff. Yankees will win the next 2 and get the split.

Red Sox had another 2 errors tonight. How many errors is that now since their streak ended?

And for the love of God. where is ROBERTBEE. This place isn't the same without his senseless ramblings. Even though fenwayp is doing a good job of trying to be like bee with the senseless ramblings.

Mussina even blamed ERod last night...I was simply pointing out that NOBODY in the AL has committed more errors than ERod. Jaret Wright also sucks, but that is another story. The Red Sox, despite their two errors tonight and coming back down after their errorless streak remain 3.5 games ahead of the Yankees. That is the bottom line. Yankees had better concentrate on winning a single game against Toronto, or you will have Notorious to deal with :D

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Hopefully the Jays can at least win the series, a sweep would be a bonus considering that the Jays haven't swept an AL team all year.

[Mavrik28]

LOL yeah right. I can see Red Sox fans being pissed about that stupid speaker taking away a HR from Ortiz but c'mon. What play or calls are you referring to?

The series the Yanks played in Minnesota. 2nd game of the series a check swing by Luis Castillo for the thrid strike wasn't called, even though he clearly swung. Also the 1st game of the series Posada was called out at home, when he clearly slid in and touched home plate with his hand.

I'm not blaming the Twins for those calls. It had nothing to do with them. I'm not crying over those losses, I'm just bringing up the point that bad calls are everywhere. It's just on this board whenever a bad call goes in favor of the Yankees, the simple minded mob jumps all over it.

Simple Minded Mob is my new name for the folks on this board that let their personal bias against the Yankees cloud their judgment. You can hate the Yankees all you want, thats fine. But don't use them as an excuse everytime something doesn't go right for your team. Don't whine when they beat your team. Don't whine when Mark brings up stats to support his argument. Refute his arguement with stats or facts not crap like A-Rod sucks, Yankees suck, etc.

And try to actually do some research or stat analysis if you want to disucss baseball. Formulate your own opinion. Don't repeat what biased media outlets like ESPN or SI or NESN say. It makes you come across like sheep.

[Mavrik28]

Hopefully the Jays can at least win the series, a sweep would be a bonus considering that the Jays haven't swept an AL team all year.

A sweep of the Yankees would make that wild card tighter and tighter.

[Mavrik28]

Mussina even blamed ERod last night...I was simply pointing out that NOBODY in the AL has committed more errors than ERod. Jaret Wright also sucks, but that is another story. The Red Sox, despite their two errors tonight and coming back down after their errorless streak remain 3.5 games ahead of the Yankees. That is the bottom line. Yankees had better concentrate on winning a single game against Toronto, or you will have Notorious to deal with :D

S.M.M. member.

Wright may suck but he has a lower ERA then Beckett.

[Mavrik28]

Mussina even blamed ERod last night...I was simply pointing out that NOBODY in the AL has committed more errors than ERod. Jaret Wright also sucks, but that is another story. The Red Sox, despite their two errors tonight and coming back down after their errorless streak remain 3.5 games ahead of the Yankees. That is the bottom line. Yankees had better concentrate on winning a single game against Toronto, or you will have Notorious to deal with :D

He didn't blame A-ROD. He said Alex needs to be the old Alex. The Alex that has 2 MVPs and 2 gold gloves. And I agree. Alex puts ALOT of pressure on himself and he listens to the media way too much and the knuckelheads that call themselves Yankees fans that go to Yankee stadium and boo him are just making A-Rod press harder.

[rimpila3]

The series the Yanks played in Minnesota. 2nd game of the series a check swing by Luis Castillo for the thrid strike wasn't called, even though he clearly swung. Also the 1st game of the series Posada was called out at home, when he clearly slid in and touched home plate with his hand.

I'm not blaming the Twins for those calls. It had nothing to do with them. I'm not crying over those losses, I'm just bringing up the point that bad calls are everywhere. It's just on this board whenever a bad call goes in favor of the Yankees, the simple minded mob jumps all over it.

Simple Minded Mob is my new name for the folks on this board that let their personal bias against the Yankees cloud their judgment. You can hate the Yankees all you want, thats fine. But don't use them as an excuse everytime something doesn't go right for your team. Don't whine when they beat your team. Don't whine when Mark brings up stats to support his argument. Refute his arguement with stats or facts not crap like A-Rod sucks, Yankees suck, etc.

And try to actually do some research or stat analysis if you want to disucss baseball. Formulate your own opinion. Don't repeat what biased media outlets like ESPN or SI or NESN say. It makes you come across like sheep.

You still haven't let a check swing go? Big deal, get over it!! The Yankees better get theeir act together or they'll be looking up at 2 teams ahead of them in the Wild Card race by the end of tomorrow.

[Mavrik28]

I'd love to read the original article that tells Varitek to take notes from Mirabelli. That just sounds silly. Varitek is one of the most respected catchers in the game, and I doubt that Beckett's struggles are due to Varitek. If anything, it's likely that Tek, 'Belli and Beckett all discussed the strategy at hand, and Beckett has accepted that he needs to pitch more than hurl.

Let's hope that it continues, and Beckett pushes to 20+ wins. Time to crush Seattle!

Varitek is about as well prepared for calling a game as anyone. But in the case of Beckett he has Beckett throw too many fastballs. Mirabelli was able to get him to throw more curves and changeups and then he would call the heat to get the K.

[Mavrik28]

You still haven't let a check swing go? Big deal, get over it!! The Yankees better get theeir act together or they'll be looking up at 2 teams ahead of them in the Wild Card race by the end of tomorrow.

Apparently you didn't read my post. Let me just summarize what I said

I'm not blaming the Twins for those calls. It had nothing to do with them. I'm not crying over those losses, I'm just bringing up the point that bad calls are everywhere. It's just on this board whenever a bad call goes in favor of the Yankees, the simple minded mob jumps all over it.

I said I could care less about those games. I was just using them as examples of how the Yankees too get bad calls against them. Don't try to start an arguement where there is none. Read the post and then respond to it. But make sure to read the WHOLE post.

I like Johan and I like Liriano. They have losing records against the Tigers, White Sox and Indians and are only .500 against the Royals. So until they can actually beat the teams in their own divison, I think they'll be left in the cold come playoff time. Maybe if their cheap skate owner actually spent some money they could add some more quality players.

[fenwayp]

Even the NY Sportswriters think ARod blew the game the other night (http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/oh_wells__its__a_rods_fault_yankees_george_king.htm)...say what you want, ARod's error caused them to lose two nights ago. It was a mental mistake. This is why he is not a champion. He can't take the pressure. He's a great hitter who will never be a champion.

Call me simple-minded if you want to. Certainly nobody could ever be so complex as yourself...so astute...such a pleasure to have around...such a wealth of pure baseball knowledge...such a lover of Mark Weber prose and statistical blatherings.

NOTE : This is a TRASH-TALKING thread. Get used to the ribbing. IT IS ALL A JOKE. It is meant to be in good fun. That's the way I take it. If I say the YANKEES SUCK, it is my right. It is meant to aggravate you. That's the point of it. I respect the Yankees, and Yankees fans. Always have. It doesn't keep me from saying that the YANKEES SUCK.

If you don't like it, I don't care. Have a nice night. :D

[Mavrik28]

Even the NY Sportswriters think ARod blew the game the other night (http://www.nypost.com/sports/yankees/oh_wells__its__a_rods_fault_yankees_george_king.htm)...say what you want, ARod's error caused them to lose two nights ago. It was a mental mistake. This is why he is not a champion. He can't take the pressure. He's a great hitter who will never be a champion.

Call me simple-minded if you want to. Certainly nobody could ever be so complex as yourself...so astute...such a pleasure to have around...such a wealth of pure baseball knowledge...such a lover of Mark Weber prose and statistical blatherings.

NOTE : This is a TRASH-TALKING thread. Get used to the ribbing. IT IS ALL A JOKE. It is meant to be in good fun. That's the way I take it. If I say the YANKEES SUCK, it is my right. It is meant to aggravate you. That's the point of it. I respect the Yankees, and Yankees fans. Always have. It doesn't keep me from saying that the YANKEES SUCK.

If you don't like it, I don't care. Have a nice night. :D

Um, a little insight. the NY papers have been bashing the Yankees for years. Its what they do. They love to make things bigger then they are to sell papers. Mike Lupica, the worst of the bunch, his own agenda is to bash the Yankees no matter what.

I know its a trash talking thread. You know me. I try to be a jerk as much as I can. It my spawn persona.

And if Alex never wins a World Series he has some great company with him like Teddy Ballgame and Yaz.

[Hardcore Legend]

I think I liked it better when the Red Sox were losing ground and fenwayp went into hiding.

[fenwayp]

I know its a trash talking thread. You know me. I try to be a jerk as much as I can. It my spawn persona.

And if Alex never wins a World Series has some great company with him like Teddy Ballgame and Yaz.

Precisely, but Teddy and Yaz were great. AROD SUCKS :eek: :D

[fenwayp]

I think I liked it better when the Red Sox were losing ground and fenwayp went into hiding.

:D :D I'mmmmmmmmmmmmm baaaaaaaaack :D :D

Hey, with his 18th error tonight, at least ERod is leading the league in something ;)

[Mavrik28]

:D :D I'mmmmmmmmmmmmm baaaaaaaaack :D :D

Hey, with his 18th error tonight, at least ERod is leading the league in something ;)

And Becektt leads the whole MLB is homers given up.

[fenwayp]

And Becektt leads the whole MLB is homers given up.

But Beckett and Schilling are both also tied for the league lead in WINS :D

[Mavrik28]

I think I liked it better when the Red Sox were losing ground and fenwayp went into hiding.

I've given you crap before, but no longer. Your a ok in my book.

I'd agree that these boards are very loud when the Red Sox win and dead when they lose. This recent win streak makes me sad though. Where oh where is ROBERTBEE?

[fenwayp]

According to STATS, Inc., David Ortiz led all of major league baseball with 33 RBI in clutch situations during the 2005 campaign; Alex Rodriguez was tied for 66th. Somehow, while amassing 130 RBI during the 2005 regular season, Rodriguez managed just 12 of them when the game was on the line.

[Mavrik28]

But Beckett and Schilling are both also tied for the league lead in WINS :D

Yankees have 26 World Series wins. There I win.

[Mavrik28]

According to STATS, Inc., David Ortiz led all of major league baseball with 33 RBI in clutch situations during the 2005 campaign; Alex Rodriguez was tied for 66th. Somehow, while amassing 130 RBI during the 2005 regular season, Rodriguez managed just 12 of them when the game was on the line.

RBI is a by product of the guys in front of you. If they don't get on you can't get them in.

[fenwayp]

Yankees have 26 World Series wins. There I win.

There you go living in the past again :D

[Mavrik28]

There you go living in the past again :D

I knew you'd say that. :D

[Vinnie4]

Let me ask you Boston fans that say A-Rod sucks a question. What is your opinion of Manny not attending the All-Star game? The leading vote getter doesn't even make an appearance to acknowledge the fan support, to stay home and rest an "injury" that doesn't even keep him from playing. Doesn't that bug you in the least? Or will you just shine this snubbing off as more Manny being Manny? To me, this just pushes him farther to the top of my list of arrogant ballplayers.

[Vinnie4]

But Beckett and Schilling are both also tied for the league lead in WINS :D
And they'll stay there, as long as the rest of their starts come in Boston.

[fenwayp]

Let me ask you Boston fans that say A-Rod sucks a question. What is your opinion of Manny not attending the All-Star game? The leading vote getter doesn't even make an appearance to acknowledge the fan support, to stay home and rest an "injury" that doesn't even keep him from playing. Doesn't that bug you in the least? Or will you just shine this snubbing off as more Manny being Manny? To me, this just pushes him farther to the top of my list of arrogant ballplayers.

Manny is a Red Sox, so how could he possibly Suck ? Only Yankees SUCK :D
I would have preferred that he go to the All-Star game, but I am not him, and I don't know what the reasons are for his personal decisions, so I can't address your question.

[GoNiners]

lol Im listening to this great opie and anthony segment about john sterling and how he is overreacting to HRs and every yankees win haha.

[Vinnie4]

Manny is a Red Sox, so how could he possibly Suck ? Only Yankees SUCK :D
I would have preferred that he go to the All-Star game, but I am not him, and I don't know what the reasons are for his personal decisions, so I can't address your question.
The reason he gave was to rest his injury. But Cano and Reyes both went with injuries. I just considered it disrespectful to all the fans who voted for him to blow it off.

[GoNiners]

Manny is a Red Sox, so how could he possibly Suck ? Only Yankees SUCK :D
I would have preferred that he go to the All-Star game, but I am not him, and I don't know what the reasons are for his personal decisions, so I can't address your question.

Oh its just manny being manny [pukes]

[Vinnie4]

lol Im listening to this great opie and anthony segment about john sterling and how he is overreacting to HRs and every yankees win haha.
John Sterling does get a little over excited, but overall I think he is a very good broadcaster. I think he was at his best working wth Michael Kay.

[GoNiners]

John Sterling does get a little over excited, but overall I think he is a very good broadcaster. I think he was at his best working wth Michael Kay.

Yea they(especially Jim Norton) point that out in this segment.

[fenwayp]

ARod lookin' good to have an errorless game at DH today :D LOL...

[Vinnie4]

ARod lookin' good to have an errorless game at DH today :D LOL...
Nice to see you posting again.:p

[fenwayp]

LOL...ARod is playing DH since he can't field anymore, and now he is 0-3 with 3 strikeouts today at DH :D

[Vinnie4]

OK Jays fans, let's all hear about how the umpire called the balk because he clearly favors the Yankees. :rolleyes:

[Yukoner]

OK Jays fans, let's all hear about how the umpire called the balk because he clearly favors the Yankees. :rolleyes:

Since he didn't step towards first, it was a balk. Nice attempt at a strawman, though.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

We should have dealt Gibbons instead. Another blown game.

[Yukoner]

I turned down four hours of overtime to watch Gibbons throw away another one.

[Mavrik28]

Nice to see the Red Sox have another game with an error.

[Mavrik28]

I turned down four hours of overtime to watch Gibbons throw away another one.

What did Gibbons do this time?

[Yukoner]

Mavrik, you really want to talk errors after Mr. Green bumbled his way around third base all day? And to compare the Red Sox to the Yanks, with 30 less errors?

Gibbons, by the way, put Brandon League out there again, despite the fact that he has never, ever, ever pitched a decent inning. Ever.

[Mavrik28]

I only made the comment about the Red Sox with another error because it was another game with an error. After their streak eneded they've had quite a few errors.

And so what if Green played iffy at 3rd, the Yanks won the game.

Tomorrow Sir Sidney helps the Yanks tie up the series at 2 games.

[Mavrik28]

Nice to watch MO shut the door on the Blue Jays. Sorry Toronto, you beat him once, you're not going to beat him again.

[fenwayp]

Nice to see ERod contribute to the Yankees win today with an 0-4 day at the plate and 4 K's...at least his errorless streak is at 1 now :D

[Reagz]

Nice to see Gonzalez's error open the door and cost the Sux the game. Also nice to see the captain's walk force the milk man across the plate to win the game for the 26 time world champion New York Yankees!

[Mavrik28]

Nice to see ERod contribute to the Yankees win today with an 0-4 day at the plate and 4 K's...at least his errorless streak is at 1 now :D

Yankees won so who cares what Alex did. He's one player. Nice to see that stellar Red Sox defense cost them the game.

See the Red Sox can beat an old crappy pitcher like Moyer but when they face a guy that has some heat and can actually pitch, like King Felix, they go down pretty easily.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Yesterdays Redsox game wasnt really a big deal. Had a guy starting for the first time and actually pitched pretty well.

Youkilis and Loretta the top 2 hitters in the order were out. Varitek was also out.

thats some pretty good offense missing but Francona decided to gives guys an off day during a game they probably should have lost anyway. Francona didnt expect the rookie to go out and pitch so well.

I think Gabbard pitchign 5 1/3 and having Tavarez and Seanez finish it off was great. Saved the bullpen on a day it could have been killed.

Also the Gonzo error would have never happened if the 1st base ump didnt blow a call earlier and cost the Redsox and out.

Redsox proabably still would have lost but a blatant bad call always sucks.

Jon Lester vs Jarod Washburn today. Lester will try to continue his unbelievable start to the season.

[Vinnie4]

Yesterdays Redsox game wasnt really a big deal. Had a guy starting for the first time and actually pitched pretty well.

Youkilis and Loretta the top 2 hitters in the order were out. Varitek was also out.

thats some pretty good offense missing but Francona decided to gives guys an off day during a game they probably should have lost anyway. Francona didnt expect the rookie to go out and pitch so well.

I think Gabbard pitchign 5 1/3 and having Tavarez and Seanez finish it off was great. Saved the bullpen on a day it could have been killed.

Also the Gonzo error would have never happened if the 1st base ump didnt blow a call earlier and cost the Redsox and out.

Redsox proabably still would have lost but a blatant bad call always sucks.

Jon Lester vs Jarod Washburn today. Lester will try to continue his unbelievable start to the season.
Hmmmmmmm.....major offensive stars missing from a lineup. Sound familiar. And yet the Yankees continue to win without them.

[fenwayp]

Hmmmmmmm.....major offensive stars missing from a lineup. Sound familiar. And yet the Yankees continue to win without them.

Yankee fans now are settling for 2nd place...

[Vinnie4]

Without Matsui, Sheffield, Cano, Dotel, Pavano, et al. I'd say being in second place is a very commendable accomplishment. Watch out when they are back to full strength.

[fenwayp]

In the meantime, I see that Sidney "Krispy Kreme" Ponson is serving the Yankees well.
What a fine pickup that was. Cashman and Steinbrenner should be proud :D :D

[fenwayp]

Bottom of the 3rd, Yankees down 10-3...time for ERod to hit a solo HR to bring the Yankees to within 6 :D LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mavrik28]

In the meantime, I see that Sidney "Krispy Kreme" Ponson is serving the Yankees well.
What a fine pickup that was. Cashman and Steinbrenner should be proud :D :D

No worse of a #5 then Jason Johnson was for the Red Sox. Johnson pitched 2 games also and got lit up, but nobody mentioned that. I guess Theo really is a genius.

[Mavrik28]

I wonder why on this thread Blue Jays fans try to interject themselves into the discussion? Are they so sick of looking up at the Yanks and SAWX? Do Blue Jays fans want to hang out with the big boys of baseball? Do they wish it was the mid 90's again when the Blue Jays were actually good?

[silversurfur65]

I wonder why on this thread Blue Jays fans try to interject themselves into the discussion? Are they so sick of looking up at the Yanks and SAWX? Do Blue Jays fans want to hang out with the big boys of baseball? Do they wish it was the mid 90's again when the Blue Jays were actually good?

no...but you must have been sick watching the Jays take 3 of 4 from the Yanks over the weekend !!

[fenwayp]

I wonder why on this thread Blue Jays fans try to interject themselves into the discussion? Are they so sick of looking up at the Yanks and SAWX? Do Blue Jays fans want to hang out with the big boys of baseball? Do they wish it was the mid 90's again when the Blue Jays were actually good?

When Mavrik starts getting rattled by Blue Jays fans, you know Yankee fans are starting to feel the heat. Jays took 3 out of 4 from the Yankees, so I'd say you should be worried. Lick your wounds and start praying for the Red Sox to lose every day, because the Yankees are clearly not good enough to play themselves into the AL East lead, they can only hope that they back into it.

As I have said before, Yankees will be hopelessly out of the pennant race by 8/31.
Quote me all you want.

[Mavrik28]

no...but you must have been sick watching the Jays take 3 of 4 from the Yanks over the weekend !!

Not really. They only sickness is that Jays locker room. Talk about a dirty palce. I would hope the high priced Jays could beat Jaret Wright and Sidney Ponson. It should have been 2 games a piece, but MO blew a save. Life goes on. Yanks are still only 2 games back in the loss column for the division.

[Mavrik28]

When Mavrik starts getting rattled by Blue Jays fans, you know Yankee fans are starting to feel the heat. Jays took 3 out of 4 from the Yankees, so I'd say you should be worried. Lick your wounds and start praying for the Red Sox to lose every day, because the Yankees are clearly not good enough to play themselves into the AL East lead, they can only hope that they back into it.

As I have said before, Yankees will be hopelessly out of the pennant race by 8/31.
Quote me all you want.

No I make fun of Blue Jays fans cause they are patheic on this board. Red Sox look like they are losing 2 games to the Mariners. Whats up with that?

Yanks are still only 2 back in the loss column. And the team has no Cano, Sheff or Matsui or A-Rod.

Jays haven't done crap in forever and they win 3 of 4 from NY and their fans on this board act like they are the best team ever. Its freaking 1 series. Relax.

[fenwayp]

Not really. They only sickness is that Jays locker room. Talk about a dirty palce. I would hope the high priced Jays could beat Jaret Wright and Sidney Ponson. It should have been 2 games a piece, but MO blew a save. Life goes on. Yanks are still only 2 games back in the loss column for the division.

Actually, they are 3 games back in the loss column.

[Yukoner]

High-priced Jays. That's hilarious.

Vernon Wells, 2 homers, $4.7 million.
Eric Hinske, 3 RBI, $4.4 million.
Troy Glaus, 1 homer, $10 million.
Reed Johnson, 4 RBI, $1.4 million.
Aaron Hill, 2-for-4, $330,000.
John MacDonald, 3-for-4, $500,000.
Shawn Marcum, 5 IP, 3 ER, $330,000.

Total: $21.6 million.

ARod: 0-for-4, $25.6 million.

Total: $25.6 million.

[fenwayp]

No I make fun of Blue Jays fans cause they are patheic on this board. Red Sox look like they are losing 2 games to the Mariners. Whats up with that?

Yanks are still only 2 back in the loss column. And the team has no Cano, Sheff or Matsui or A-Rod.

Jays haven't done crap in forever and they win 3 of 4 from NY and their fans on this board act like they are the best team ever. Its freaking 1 series. Relax.

Mavrik is gonna crack, or cry...I'm not sure which. Clearly, he is worried :D
And, again, the Yankees are THREE games back in the loss column as of right now :D

[Vinnie4]

no...but you must have been sick watching the Jays take 3 of 4 from the Yanks over the weekend !!
And yet the Yankees are still in second place, with an injury depleted lineup. After everyone rejoins the team, the Jays can focus on chasing Boston.

[fenwayp]

No I make fun of Blue Jays fans cause they are patheic on this board. Red Sox look like they are losing 2 games to the Mariners. Whats up with that?

Red Sox trail 5-4 in the 5th inning, and you assume they are going to lose ?
LOL...you have been watching the Yankees too much :D

[fenwayp]

And yet the Yankees are still in second place.

:D :D :D

Enjoy 2nd Place while it lasts, because soon the Yankees will slide into 3rd where they belong...

[Vinnie4]

When the Yankees put forth a lineup of Cairo, Guiel, Phillips, Cabrera, Green, Crosby, Stinnett, etc. and still keep pace with Boston, who just can't seem to pull away. Am I worried about being 3 games back on July 23rd? No way. But you Boston fans just keep your fingers crossed that they still have the division lead when everyone is healthy again. Because you'll need it.

[fenwayp]

What was your excuse for being in 2nd Place when they were healthy ?
Red Sox now lead, 7-5, by the way...

[fenwayp]

Tough loss for the Red Sox today...good thing the Yankees SUCKED worse today :D

[Vinnie4]

What was your excuse for being in 2nd Place when they were healthy ?
Red Sox now lead, 7-5, by the way...
And lose the game 9-8. And can't gain any ground. This is exactly what Boston fans should be worried about. Especially when Matsui is planning a return for next month, and Cano will be making his return as well.

[Mark Weber]

New York's probably going to need another starting pitcher if they want to make a run. I'm OK with them going either way an it - just don't trade Phillip Hughes. Hughes, Lilly and Randy Johnson make up a strong lefty x3 rotation next year with Wang and Mussina.

[fenwayp]

No worries when my team is in 1st Place :D :D

[Vinnie4]

What was your excuse for being in 2nd Place when they were healthy ?
Red Sox now lead, 7-5, by the way...
Yeah, that was like what....May?

[Vinnie4]

No worries when my team is in 1st Place :D :D
Space filler until everyone returns for the Yankees

[Mark Weber]

Here's some classic "space filler" from fenwayp:

I love seeing Yankee Fans squirm, fret and make excuses

More than that, have I mentioned that the Red Sox are in 1st Place despite not having the services of their two best pitchers from last season. Schilling will be back soon, and then the lead will grow to double digits over the Yankees. The Orioles are the only real competition for the Red Sox this year in the division. Toronto will likely finish ahead of New York.

Fenwayp – June 29th, 2005

[RaiderFan18]

This is probably the one thread in the board where there is NO middle ground...

[Arodjr]

I just got back from the Jays/Yankees game today. Good god the Yankees need pitching help. And as much as I love Arod, he really looks like he is not trying. At all. I think Torre needs to stick a big boot in his arse or something to get him going.

[Reagz]

We'll all hear that famous Red Sux quote at the end of the year when the Yankees finish ahead of the Sux again.

"The Red Sux spend more days in 1st place than any other team in the AL East this year"

Yea, all except the final day. That day still belongs to the Yankees!

[Vinnie4]

I've given you crap before, but no longer. Your a ok in my book.

I'd agree that these boards are very loud when the Red Sox win and dead when they lose. This recent win streak makes me sad though. Where oh where is ROBERTBEE?
He moved to Vermont to write.:p

[BlakChamber]

I assumed Robertbee moved to Vermont to open a johnnycakes restaurant :p

His profile says he hasn't been online since the 9th. Hope he's just busy and there's nothing wrong with him.

[Vinnie4]

I assumed Robertbee moved to Vermont to open a johnnycakes restaurant :p

His profile says he hasn't been online since the 9th. Hope he's just busy and there's nothing wrong with him.
There is something wrong with him. He's a Red Sox fan.:D

[BlakChamber]

There is something wrong with him. He's a Red Sox fan.:D
I meant besides that ;)

[Vinnie4]

LOL

[Stephanie14]

He moved to Vermont to write.:p

LOL :) <3

[ToightLikeATiger]

i gotta say im disappointed in the Seattle series. Maybe i shouldnt be because 2 rookies were pitching and a waiver pickup from the Royals were going the 3 games but i expect more.

Snyder pitched very well and deserved the win. thats 2 very good starts in 3 outings for him.

Gabbard was a huge suprise and pitched very well. Still lost the game but the kid showed something. This was a game i expected to lose and they did but it wasnt cause of the rookie.

Yesterdays game was just aggrevating. Lester starting but struggling early. Obviously nervous pitching in front of friends and family. Definetly not a Lester start Redsox fans accustomed too.

Hansen came in and got out of a jam... Delcarmen finally struggled after pitching so well since being called back up. Coco in OF screwing up the Beltre fly ball. Timlin giving Sexson a middle in fastball for game winning homer after Vtek got them back in it.

losing 2 out of 3 is disappointing. Especially when should have won 2 of 3 easily. I guess right now the AL West (to steal a term from Pedro) are the Redsox daddies.

Its annoying to see chances to pull away in the AL East and not doing it. Bluejays finally had a good series vs NY and Sox didnt capitalize.

But i guess this is how its meant to be. Got 3 very good baseball teams fighting for 1 division title. Its gonna be close down to the wire.

All 3 teams have pretty much the same weakness..... pitching. Redsox have Wakefield,Wells and Clement out and are plugging in rookies. They are also going to rookies in the bullpen in key situations cause they have too.

Yankees are forced to use a guy like Sidney Ponson in the rotation and Rivera is really the only guy Torre can be confident in out in the pen.

Bluejays Have Halladay prob best pitcher in AL but after that not a lot. Burnett hasnt lived up to his deal. BJ Ryan has been great but they also have few trustworthy arms in the bullpen.

I dont see any trades at the deadline helping either of these 3 teams. Its gonna come down to what teams have now.

Will the return of Wakefield, Wells and Foulke (maybe even Clement) be enough? If they are healthy those are better then any trades the Redsox could make.

Will Sheffield make it back for NY? Matsui is close to returning. Can Dotel return and be the setup guy? or will Farnsworth finally start pitching well?

Will Burnett start showing he is worth the deal he got? can the Bluejays get someone to help BJ Ryan in the pen. Brandon League or Justin Spier need to step up big time.

its gonna be fun to watch. people can bash all they want but this is great baseball.

[ToightLikeATiger]

New York's probably going to need another starting pitcher if they want to make a run. I'm OK with them going either way an it - just don't trade Phillip Hughes. Hughes, Lilly and Randy Johnson make up a strong lefty x3 rotation next year with Wang and Mussina.

i think NY would ask for Steinbrenners head if they traded Hughes lol. He should be good and could be like Andy Pettitte was for them.

Eric Duncan is probably the next big name they could trade... but with Arod not endeering himself to fans maybe it wouldnt be smart to deal Duncan either.

I dont think Arod is going anywhere this year by any means. But if this continues all year i think he will get dealt in the offseason. at 15 mill a year someone will want him. Yankees maybe can get some good players for him. Maybe even another top prospect. Yankees need to rebuild their farm system big time. Thats what made them so great during their dynasty years.

[Mark Weber]

Unfortunately for NY, Duncan has followed up a bad 2005 season with a worse 2006. He's really struggled at Columbus...

[Arodjr]

Wow, everyone get tired of arguing?

[Vinnie4]

Yankees a game and a half out of first place, and lead the wildcard race by half a game. I was hoping they could at least stay close until Cano, Matsui, Sheffield, Dotel, Pavano, and anyone else I may have forgotten came back from the DL. To now lead the wildcard race, and also battling for the division lead is amazing.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Texas is a joke. Kick them out of the AL.

[Mark Weber]

Hopefully the A.L. Wild Card-leading Yankees can make a run at the Division title too, but they'll probably need to add some talent to the roster to make that a reality: maybe if they bring in an All-Star 2B and a pair of All-Star outfielders plus a new setup guy.

I wonder if Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield, Robinson Cano and Octavio Dotel are available?? :)

[GoNiners]

For the red sox losing series like the seattle one will be a regular thing now that they dont have the NL to win 13 straight against ;).

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Why do you continue to act like the Yankees are world beaters? The two best pitching teams in the AL Wildcard race are the Yankees and the Twins so is it that shocking to you that they also happen to be two of the hottest teams in baseball and have the best chance at making the playoffs? Let's put two and two together before we start giving every Yankee player a badge of honour or something.

[GoNiners]

Why do you continue to act like the Yankees are world beaters? The two best pitching teams in the AL Wildcard race are the Yankees and the Twins so is it that shocking to you that they also happen to be two of the hottest teams in baseball and have the best chance at making the playoffs? Let's put two and two together before we start giving every Yankee player a badge of honour or something.

In his defense(or mine) the yankees have been patchwork due to injuries but they have been getting alot out of Cabrera, Green, Phillips, ect. alot more then expected when all those guys went down with injuries.

[Vinnie4]

Why do you continue to act like the Yankees are world beaters? The two best pitching teams in the AL Wildcard race are the Yankees and the Twins so is it that shocking to you that they also happen to be two of the hottest teams in baseball and have the best chance at making the playoffs? Let's put two and two together before we start giving every Yankee player a badge of honour or something.
Yes they have the pitching, but if your offense can't score runs, you will not win. And the role players on the team have done an excellent job of filling in while Cano, Matsui, and Sheffield have been on the DL. That IS a major accomplishment for the 2006 Yankees.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Look at the Twins line-up from 1-9, if the Yankees need all these accolades for playing well through injuries then the Twins deserve a national holiday in their honour.

[Vinnie4]

Look at the Twins line-up from 1-9, if the Yankees need all these accolades for playing well through injuries then the Twins deserve a national holiday in their honour.
Would this have anything to do with the fact that the Yankees gained ground on Boston, pulled ahead of Toronto by a game, and took control of the wildcard?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

"Control"?

You mean that 1/2 game lead?

[Mark Weber]

As in yes, the Yankees control the Wild Card right now. Toronto can fight Boston, Minnesota and Chicago for it next week. :)

[Vinnie4]

"Control"?

You mean that 1/2 game lead?
No I mean the wildcard that Toronto is 4 games out of.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

GO BLUE JAYS?

[orionquest]

The Yankees now have the Wild Card lead. I felt pretty confident that the WC race would have Detriot crashing to earth and battling with the AL East leaders for it. Instead, the Tigers hold the Central rather well, and Chicago and Minnesota looks to fight with the AL East leaders.

Mark, and all you other Yanks fans... what are the current status reports on Matsui and Sheffield? Are either expected soon? That wrist injury looked like the kind that sets a player back for more than one season. Have there been reports of him taking batting practice?

David Wells seems to be coming along, but I woulddn't bet anything on what it means. Hopefully, he'll at least be a more effective starter than Kyle Snyder.

[Vinnie4]

The Yankees now have the Wild Card lead. I felt pretty confident that the WC race would have Detriot crashing to earth and battling with the AL East leaders for it. Instead, the Tigers hold the Central rather well, and Chicago and Minnesota looks to fight with the AL East leaders.

Mark, and all you other Yanks fans... what are the current status reports on Matsui and Sheffield? Are either expected soon? That wrist injury looked like the kind that sets a player back for more than one season. Have there been reports of him taking batting practice?

David Wells seems to be coming along, but I woulddn't bet anything on what it means. Hopefully, he'll at least be a more effective starter than Kyle Snyder.
I haven't heard much on Sheffield, but Matsui has been working out with the team as much as possible, as well as throwing, running, basically everything he can do without his wrist. His doctor's have said everything has healed very well, and he is beginning to take light BP.

[Mark Weber]

Matsui has just begun hitting in at the Tmpa Complex, and Cano is supposed to try running the bases this weekend. If Cano reports no trouble, he'll likely have a few minor-league rehab games before rejoining the big club. Dotel was almost ready to join the team but reported some elbow stiffness after his last minor-league game. I've heard no update on Sheffield lately, so I assume the original timetable (mid-to-late September) is still accurate.

[orionquest]

Matsui has just begun hitting in at the Tmpa Complex, and Cano is supposed to try running the bases this weekend. If Cano reports no trouble, he'll likely have a few minor-league rehab games before rejoining the big club. Dotel was almost ready to join the team but reported some elbow stiffness after his last minor-league game. I've heard no update on Sheffield lately, so I assume the original timetable (mid-to-late September) is still accurate.

Thanks for the update. I wish the guy well, but those wrist injuries can linger for a long time.

Mark, is TMP going to be at the Hall of Fame events this weekend? I just found out that I'll be going on Sat. or Sun.

[Mark Weber]

You bet - we'll have a booth in Canton on Friday, Saturday and Sunday next week. Make sure to say hi when you come by.

[orionquest]

You bet - we'll have a booth in Canton on Friday, Saturday and Sunday next week. Make sure to say hi when you come by.

Doh! Wrong HoF. I'm visiting a buddy in Albany, so I'll be in Cooperstown this weekend. The induction ceremonies are happening. It's not as big a deal as the Canton event, but I thought TMP might be there. WIsh I could join you in Ohio.

I was in San Diego last weekend, and dropped by card off with someone to give to you. I don't know if she handed it off to you or not.

[Mark Weber]

Haven't received it yet - can you describe the girl you gave it to?

[Mavrik28]

This thread was so heated weeks ago, now its very very quite. Me thinks it needs robertbee.

[orionquest]

This thread was so heated weeks ago, now its very very quite. Me thinks it needs robertbee.

Perhaps we should re-start the David Ortiz clutch argument after he hit yet another walkoff hit. :D

[Arodjr]

Ortiz is clutch. The guy is unreal. If he wasn't on the red sux, they'd be 5 or 6 games BEHIND the Yankees, maybe even behind the jays.Perhaps we should re-start the David Ortiz clutch argument after he hit yet another walkoff hit. :D

[ToightLikeATiger]

Perhaps we should re-start the David Ortiz clutch argument after he hit yet another walkoff hit. :D

and another Walk off homer tonight.

Voters are going to have no choice this year but vote for Big Papi as MVP. He is far above anyone else and the next best player is another DH (Jim Thome)

Redsox are on Papi's back right now. Another should have lost game turns into a win thanks to Mr Clutch!

[JerseyDevil]

Unreal Ortiz just hit another walkoff 3 run HR to beat the Indians 9-8. Ortiz is the most clutch hitter in baseball. I'd take Ortiz over any Yankee any day of the week. The guy is just damn good.

[Tanner2126]

Even this Yankee fan has to admit Ortiz is MVP.

[Therman Merman]

He leaves me speechless. I still wonder why teams pitch to him in clutch situations. I'd take my chances with Manny every day of the week in a clutch situation, rather than pitch to Ortiz. Unbelieveable

[SmartassBoiler]

Wow. Ortiz is a damn monster.

[ToightLikeATiger]

i cant wait to see if Mark comes on here an tries to convince us Ortiz isnt clutch.

perhaps some close & late stats that are doesnt do Ortiz justice :)

[Bronx Bombers]

Alright ill admit it Ortiz is the most cluch hitter in baseball and should be AL MVP but i think still Yankees will win the East.

[Tanner2126]

I hope Ortiz gets abducted by aliens tonight!

[Bronx Bombers]

I hope Ortiz gets abducted by aliens tonight!

Yeah Aliens looking for Shrek.;)

[orionquest]

I'd take my chances with Manny every day of the week in a clutch situation, rather than pitch to Ortiz.

It says quite a bit when a player is so effective that pitchers would rather take their chances with Manny freakin' Ramirez! What a game tonight.

Tomorrow, I can wear my new T-shirt that I bought in Cooperstown this weekend, which reads "It ain't over 'til the Big Papi swings!"

But, lest we get ahead of ourselves, the Yanks are only one game back. It's still a very close race.

[Hardcore Legend]

Why did the Indians pitch to Ortiz there? Cause Eric Wedge is a drunk? I think so.

[Yukoner]

Why did the Indians pitch to Ortiz there? Cause Eric Wedge is a drunk? I think so.

Load the bases with one out, and Manny up? With a two-run lead and only one out, you have to try and get Ortiz out.

[Hardcore Legend]

Load the bases with one out, and Manny up? With a two-run lead and only one out, you have to try and get Ortiz out.

Why? Double play is a double play. Give up 1 run on the sacrafice fly if need be, but get two outs with Manny. You gain nothing from attempting to pitch to David Ortiz in that situation. Walk him, pitch to Manny and take your chances there.

[Yukoner]

Bases loaded, a single ties the game.

[Vinnie4]

Bases loaded, a single ties the game.
Maybe so, but look at what happens when you pitch to Ortiz. Even on a single, the Indians are still playing.

[JerseyDevil]

Maybe so, but look at what happens when you pitch to Ortiz. Even on a single, the Indians are still playing.

True, but either way you'll have to face either Manny or Ortiz. If pitchers start to pitch to Manny and he makes them pay, then what's left to say? You'll have to pitch to one of the two, so might as be the one that they feel they have the best shot to get out

[Vinnie4]

True, but either way you'll have to face either Manny or Ortiz. If pitchers start to pitch to Manny and he makes them pay, then what's left to say? You'll have to pitch to one of the two, so might as be the one that they feel they have the best shot to get out
Teams have been thinking that and getting burned by Ortiz all season long. They need to test Ramirez at some point.

[Mavrik28]

Going back to Monday's game. You walk Papi to get to Manny. Why? Manny is a great hitter, but in this year he has struggles with the bases loaded and "close and late".

Close and late he's hitting .227
Bases Loaded .167

Even saturday, he came up with a man on and 1 out and promptly hit into a DP in the bottom of the 9th.

You pitch around Ortiz maybe get him to chase something, you don't throw a fastball right into his wheelhouse. Then again Wedge did bring out a guy that had a 17.00 era in his last 7 appearances to face Ortiz.

[Hardcore Legend]

Also, pitching to Manny gives you Big Papi running to second and Manny running to first for a potential double play. I like my odds getting atleast one of those elephants out running to a base.

[Yukoner]

I really think there's no right answer there.

[Therman Merman]

Great win by the Yankees tonight. Everything seems to be clicking right now.

And Cleveland is dog ****. Wow. Who the hell is Fausto Carmona, and why is he closing for Cleveland? 2 save opportunities, 2 blown saves.

[Tanner2126]

Im sick of boston and their 9th inning wins!!!

[Reagz]

I guess that side check that Theo passed Carmona paid off. 2 gift wins in a row. Red Sux deserved to lose both since they were outplayed but Imploda hands them both games on a silver plater. Oh well. Yanks still the better team ... now and forever.

[Therman Merman]

Nothing like hitting the .185 hitting Doug Mirabelli with 2 strikes and 2 outs in the ninth, and then hitting Alex Gonzalez with the first pitch.

Makes you appreciate Mariano that much more.

Fight the temptation to hang yourself Fausto. Although God knows you'd probably blow that too.

[Tanner2126]

this was all with 2 outs?!??!?! I had the Red Soxs game on the gameday thing on MLB.com but was watching the Mets game.

[Therman Merman]

Oh yeah. He looked like world beater after he struck out Pena and Crisp. Then he crapped his pants when the mighty Mirabelli stepped up to the plate, and the rest is history.

[Mavrik28]

We now know why cleveland is a joke. it starts at the top and their manager is a big joke. Byung Carmona hits 2 guys on back to back pitches and then walks Youk. You pull your pitcher after that, shoot you pull him after 2 hit batters.

Its all good though. Wang continues to be a beast for the Yankees and the Yanks are heating up. Zero fear of the Red Sox right now.

[orionquest]

Byung Carmona hits 2 guys on back to back pitches and then walks Youk.

Byung Carmona! Wow, that's great! Best laugh I've had all night.

] Its all good though. Wang continues to be a beast for the Yankees and the Yanks are heating up. Zero fear of the Red Sox right now.

That is the most significant statement in this entire thread! This is what's changed in the rivalry. Never before have I heard a Yankee fan quantify his fear of the Red Sox, even if it's none. Until 2004, it seemed like every Yankees fan didn't consider the Red Sox something to fear on any level. If they did fear them, they hid it very well behind their Bronx swagger.

And, for the record, we level-headed Sox fans don't fear the Yankees either. Both teams are battered and bruised. It's going to be a scarppy August!

[Mavrik28]

Byung Carmona! Wow, that's great! Best laugh I've had all night.



That is the most significant statement in this entire thread! This is what's changed in the rivalry. Never before have I heard a Yankee fan quantify his fear of the Red Sox, even if it's none. Until 2004, it seemed like every Yankees fan didn't consider the Red Sox something to fear on any level. If they did fear them, they hid it very well behind their Bronx swagger.

And, for the record, we level-headed Sox fans don't fear the Yankees either. Both teams are battered and bruised. It's going to be a scarppy August!

Me saying "zero fear" was a veiled jab at Red Sox fans who use to always say that. I still view the Red Sox as the Yankee's whipping boys. 1 World Series win does not change that.

The Yankees are getting hot. They have a very solid roster now that will be adding Cano, Matsui, Sheff, and Dotel. Detroit is still the team to beat, but everyone better be on notice. The Yankees are coming.

Red Sox will be battling for the Wild Card again this year like the previous 3 years. Unfortuanately they'll be battling the White Sox and Twins, 2 teams that have better pitching staffs.

I really wish Robertbee was here to spread his gospel of RSN.

[Vinnie4]

Im sick of boston and their 9th inning wins!!!
They can't keep making a living on coming back in the ninth for the win. Not only are there good closers out there to put a stop to it, but it must become mentally draining to keep winning like this in August. If they continue winning this way for the rest of the season, and manage to make the playoffs, how much will be left in the tank come October?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

God, it pisses me off when such a one-dimensional team (Red Sox) continues to contend for the postseason. GO WHITE SOX/TWINS! Here's hpoing that both the SAWX and the YANKS don't make the playoffs!

[ToightLikeATiger]

God, it pisses me off when such a one-dimensional team (Red Sox) continues to contend for the postseason. GO WHITE SOX/TWINS! Here's hpoing that both the SAWX and the YANKS don't make the playoffs!

1 dimensional? im sorry man but that comment just makes you look ignorant and clueless when it comes to baseball.

they have one of the best offenses in baseball. they play the best defense in baseball. there are 2 dimensions right there. im not going even try to argue pitching but i think they do that pretty well. Especially considering some of the guys they run out there.

Schilling, Beckett,Wakefield, Wells and Lester will be a good rotation once Wake is back and Wells gets back into his groove

[Vinnie4]

1 dimensional? im sorry man but that comment just makes you look ignorant and clueless when it comes to baseball.

they have one of the best offenses in baseball. they play the best defense in baseball. there are 2 dimensions right there. im not going even try to argue pitching but i think they do that pretty well. Especially considering some of the guys they run out there.

Schilling, Beckett,Wakefield, Wells and Lester will be a good rotation once Wake is back and Wells gets back into his groove
I don't think Wells will regain his groove. I just think his best days are behind him.

[Mavrik28]

1 dimensional? im sorry man but that comment just makes you look ignorant and clueless when it comes to baseball.

they have one of the best offenses in baseball. they play the best defense in baseball. there are 2 dimensions right there. im not going even try to argue pitching but i think they do that pretty well. Especially considering some of the guys they run out there.

Schilling, Beckett,Wakefield, Wells and Lester will be a good rotation once Wake is back and Wells gets back into his groove

Wells is finished. Get over it. He was crap before he got hurt and crap after he got hurt. Its hard for a fat old guy to get his groove back.

I'll take Wang and Moose over any combination of 2 starting pitchers from the Red Sox.

[Tanner2126]

Report: Red Sox get catching help in Javy Lopez
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2538688

[ToightLikeATiger]

its not a contract year so the Javy Lopez pickup wont help

[Tanner2126]

its not a contract year so the Javy Lopez pickup wont help

haha, you sound like a broken record. :D

[Bronx Bombers]

I just noticed the Yankees have the second best record in baseball, even though Pavano, Dotel, Cano, Sheffield, Matsui and Sturtze have been out for long periods of time.

[Bronx Bombers]

I wonder if people still think the Yankees have a weak farm system now that Proctor, Wang, Cano, Rivera, Cabrera, Phillips and Crosby have kept them on top.

[ToightLikeATiger]

haha, you sound like a broken record. :D

just letting the truth be told lol.:D

[Tanner2126]

I wonder if people still think the Yankees have a weak farm system now that Proctor, Wang, Cano, Rivera, Cabrera, Phillips and Crosby have kept them on top.

Yankees got Proctor from LA when they traded Ventura there.