OFFICIAL Yankees vs. Red Sox trash talking thread

[Mark Weber]

Instead of deleting all the nasty, fight-baiting posts on the Yankees and Red Sox team threads, I thought it'd be handy to have a thread to dump all that testosterone into. Some people will post on this thread, other people will have their posts moved here but it seems like a good idea to let all the keyboard commandos vent in one spot rather than spread all over the board where it's hard to find.

[Mavrik28]

Again I make a post questioning why Bee was allowed back and it gets deleted. Mark just answer me why has he been given so many chances?

[Mark Weber]

Again I make a post questioning why Bee was allowed back and it gets deleted. Mark just answer me why has he been given so many chances?

Robertbee's few actual "offenses" have been minor, so he's only had to deal with suspensions and never an actual ban. It's how I prefer to deal with lesser transgresssions from longtime board members. Happens all the time, but I guess you aren't keeping track of it with other people...

[GoNiners]

Just cleaned up all the baiting, *****y, and retaliatory posts in this thread. I'll be here all year.

this thread alone makes you earn your paycheck.

[Bronx Bombers]

Robertbee's few actual "offenses" have been minor, so he's only had to deal with suspensions and never an actual ban. It's how I prefer to deal with lesser transgresssions from longtime board members. Happens all the time, but I guess you aren't keeping track of it with other people...
http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289975&highlight=Robertbee+banned

[Mavrik28]

http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=289975&highlight=Robertbee+banned

Mark will probably delete this post becasue its "*****y".

[Mark Weber]

Mark will probably delete this post becasue its "*****y".

Do you have a problem with me trying to keep the Yankees thread on-topic and less about e-thugs waging keyboard combat Mavrik? Is that why you post in this thread?

[Mark Weber]

Read that whole thread Bronx Bombers and you'll understand the compromise struck that allowed robertbee back on the boards. Honestly, why don't you just change the thread title to "Let's all argue with Robertbee and then I won't have to clean up the thread every other day...

[Mavrik28]

Do you have a problem with me trying to keep the Yankees thread on-topic and less about e-thugs waging keyboard combat Mavrik? Is that why you post in this thread?

I have no problem at all with you trying to keep any thread, not just this thread clean and on topic. I just don't like how often I read robertbee make *** jokes or deragotory comments to other board members while he's in this thread. I don't mind witty banter between sports fans, but sometimes bee takes it past that point.

I post in this thread to talk about the Yankees and at times to respond to comments I find to be off base in reagrds to the Yankees.

[robertbee]

. I just don't like how often I read robertbee make *** jokes or deragotory comments to other board members while he's in this thread.
Mavrik28


Few and far. Try and stand up for yourself and not drag me into this. I have told you and others if you dont like what I say put me on your ignore list. Its plain and simple.
I come here to talk Yankees baseball. I beleive this is the demise of the Yankees. THey have some issues going on and instead of talking baseball I have people correcting my spelling, grammer, being told to go away, and 1 person speaking for for every Red Sox fan. Instead of a healthy disscusion mud gets slung. Its time you act like an adult and stop passing the buck


There was a time when you did stand up. But you have fallen since.

Being suspended from the boards for 2 weeks sucked. There was a lot of sports discussions that I wanted to be a part of, everything from the Celtics trade to Manny Pacquiao.

Let me apologize to everyone I have offended on the boards. I usually rip people for their favorite teams and players and come across as a total jerk. I know off the top of my head I should apologize to: Toight, Robertbee, Comrade Flyer, Nhstunner, Yukoner,Metros to just name a few.

There are way too many jerks on this board, and I don't want to be one of them. We all cheer for different players and teams, no one is above anyone else. So for now on its time for me to actually act my age and discuss sports in a more mature manner. Now if I can only clean up my language during Halo2 all will be right.
Mavrik28

[Vinnie4]

I'm a Yankee fan, and I'll be honest. I could care less how the Yankees fare against the Red Sox. I just care about the team making the playoffs. Then it is nice to see the Yankees eliminate the Sox. Let the Sox win all 19 games....as long as the Yankees are on top at the end of the season, I'm happy.

[Mavrik28]

Maybe it should be titled, Yankees versus the World.

[silversurfur65]

Back on Topic......who cares about the Yanks or Red Sox,The Jays are taking the AL East !!:D

[Mavrik28]

Back on Topic......who cares about the Yanks or Red Sox,The Jays are taking the AL East !!:D

Break out the bubbly Josh Towers won today ;)

[silversurfur65]

Break out the bubbly Josh Towers won today ;)

Does that mean we have to wait 8 more starts till he gets his next win !! :(

[Hardcore Legend]

The Red Sox and Yankees are too busy beating the crap out of each other and out spending each other, that at the end of their bloody, apocolyptic style nuclear war they look around, worn out, and see that everyone else in baseball got better and they aren't the 'tops' anymore.

We'll see a Mets, Tigers, Blue Jays, Angels, White Sox, Phillies, Cardinals, Astros, Reds, Dodgers, As World Champion before we see another Yankees/Red Sox. Not all of those, but atleast 1 of those.

[Mavrik28]

Nothin against the Cardinals, Scott Rolen is one of my favorite players. But as long as LaRussa is managing them they will never win a world series.

[Patriots2421]

…well it’s no fun now that it’s organized

[fropwns29]

I hate ya both (Sox and Yanks) because I am a Braves fan, but the Braves were once in Boston. And with that in mind I must cheer against the Yankees. Plus, those World Series losses against the Yankees are hard to forget.

;)

[robertbee]

Mets and Sox on a collsion course. This June will be preview when Pedro brings his Mets to Fenway. The Mets are the Kings of NY now. The demise of the Yankees are apon us. They have gotten away from what made them great in the 90's. A good farm system. Funny how things change. Sox win a world series and have a strong farm system. King of ironic. Thank gos for the new ownership in Boston and the GM in NY (Mets) is getting the job done. Could be a preview of 1986. :cool:

[eM249ine]

it seems like a good idea to let all the keyboard commandos vent in one spot rather than spread all over the board where it's hard to find.

AWESOME.............. keyboard COmmando's hehehe...

[LI-Mike]

Robertbee's few actual "offenses" have been minor, so he's only had to deal with suspensions and never an actual ban. It's how I prefer to deal with lesser transgresssions from longtime board members. Happens all the time, but I guess you aren't keeping track of it with other people...

Mark, I do not know what Robertbee has on you , but the Guy is always slamming people, calling them ***, bashing where they live. The guy is a cancer to his board. You did the right thing a few times but yet he keeps coming back.

If you didnt realize that when he was banned he made a 2nd name. That right there should be a total not return Ban. But yet he is bank and more annoying then ever.

Please Dr. Weber...remove this cancer from the board.

[ToightLikeATiger]

i dont know why a thread like this is necessary. Mark its like you are trying to instigate even more fights by providing this thread. I find it funny that many times these Sox/Yanks threads that get out of of hand are often ones you post in and fuel the fire.

you are just as guilty as anyone else for starting and continuing the fights. i know you are the board mod but it looks like a huge power trip when you believe you can start,participate throughout and then end the fights.

there is no need for any of this.

[GoNiners]

i dont know why a thread like this is necessary. Mark its like you are trying to instigate even more fights by providing this thread. I find it funny that many times these Sox/Yanks threads that get out of of hand are often ones you post in and fuel the fire.

you are just as guilty as anyone else for starting and continuing the fights. i know you are the board mod but it looks like a huge power trip when you believe you can start,participate throughout and then end the fights.

there is no need for any of this.

its because people on both side just cant help getting into some sort of a flaming war and when he deletes posts of it people complain.

[GoNiners]

The Mets are the Kings of NY now. The demise of the Yankees are apon us.

Stop trying to suck up to Mets fans.

[ToightLikeATiger]

keyboard commandos vent in one spot rather than spread all over the board

yet you continue to allow Kramer to post 10 New Orleans related threads a day that clog up the board. how about making him stick to 1 thread as well? if you are doing it to the sox/yanks fans then do it to everyone.

The Sox/Yanks discussions people actually care about and is fun for people. They dont seem to bother people who dont care about the 2 teams. But Kramer is annoying to most everyone by clogging the boards with his New Orleans whining posts.

how about a little even distribution of power mark?

like ive said to you in the past.... you have to be consistant with your power. there are always different rules for different people. thats why so many are confused as to whats allowed on this board. a hand full of people will get away with something to the one person who gets in trouble.

btw any Jonathan Papelbon SP talks going on lol :)

[ToightLikeATiger]

its because people on both side just cant help getting into some sort of a flaming war and when he deletes posts of it people complain.

i understand that...but this is the same exact type of thread as all those. it just fuels the fire more then anything.

there is a yankees thread and a redsox thread. fans of each team should just stick to their own team.

then when the Sox/Yanks play we have 1 series thread where people discuss it. then after that its done until next series.

its not that hard to do...just need to up the maturity level here

[GoNiners]

btw any Jonathan Papelbon SP talks going on lol :)

If there is a Papelbon SP for MLB before a Kirk Hinrich SP for NBA Ill turn into a Kramer :p.

[GoNiners]

i understand that...but this is the same exact type of thread as all those. it just fuels the fire more then anything.

there is a yankees thread and a redsox thread. fans of each team should just stick to their own team.

then when the Sox/Yanks play we have 1 series thread where people discuss it. then after that its done until next series.

its not that hard to do...just need to up the maturity level here

We've tried telling fans of both teams to not post in the other threads and they wanted nothing of it.

[Sbells]

Mark, I do not know what Robertbee has on you , but the Guy is always slamming people, calling them ***, bashing where they live. The guy is a cancer to his board. You did the right thing a few times but yet he keeps coming back.

If you didnt realize that when he was banned he made a 2nd name. That right there should be a total not return Ban. But yet he is bank and more annoying then ever.

Please Dr. Weber...remove this cancer from the board.

Don't care about Robertbee. Not going to spat about what's in this thread, but I'll say this...

You are high on the list of people who shouldn't have access to the boards. Not because of violating any rules, simply because you don't make sense and you're constantly trying to bait.

[Bronx Bombers]

I'm staying out of this.

[Hardcore Legend]

Could be a preview of 1986. :cool:

You got those numbers backwards. It' 1968, and it's the Tigers/Cardinals.

[Vinnie4]

i dont know why a thread like this is necessary. Mark its like you are trying to instigate even more fights by providing this thread. I find it funny that many times these Sox/Yanks threads that get out of of hand are often ones you post in and fuel the fire.

you are just as guilty as anyone else for starting and continuing the fights. i know you are the board mod but it looks like a huge power trip when you believe you can start,participate throughout and then end the fights.

there is no need for any of this.
This thread was created because Mark was going through and deleting *****y posts. He decided to dump them all in here instead of deleting them. This way it keeps the team threads clean of arguing.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Go Blue Jays? :)

[Mark Weber]

What was robertbee's second account while he was banned?

[Sbells]

i dont know why a thread like this is necessary. Mark its like you are trying to instigate even more fights by providing this thread. I find it funny that many times these Sox/Yanks threads that get out of of hand are often ones you post in and fuel the fire.

you are just as guilty as anyone else for starting and continuing the fights. i know you are the board mod but it looks like a huge power trip when you believe you can start,participate throughout and then end the fights.

there is no need for any of this.

I think it's pretty obvious why this thread was created. If can't figure out, maybe this isn't the place for you.

Regardless of who starts, participates, and/or finishes the fights all of the threads will be merged here. That will keep the 13 threads you guys like to create for every series to down to a minimum. It will also allow Mark to moderate the conduct a bit easier.

Your comparison to Kramer doesn't hold any water. As lame as most of us find it, each of his threads are a new topic. SA wanting to buy NO, President hates Katrina Victims, NO charged 50% tax on green beans, they're all different. If he were to post 3 threads about the 50% tax on green beans, they would likely be merged like everyone else's. Yanks/Sox Rivalry - One Topic. One Thread.

Simple enough?

[Sbells]

What was robertbee's second account while he was banned?

robertc!

[Vinnie4]

robertc!
Wouldn't this be his 3rd account? :p

[Hardcore Legend]

I think it's awesome that Yankees fans are trying to get Robert banned, suspended or something. The word 'small' comes to mind.

[Sbells]

I think it's awesome that Yankees fans are trying to get Robert banned, suspended or something. The word 'small' comes to mind.

Whoa.

LI-Mike is now going to come and tell you how he's a Red Sox fan but Robertbee gives them a bad name blah blah blah.

[Mavrik28]

Mets and Sox on a collsion course. This June will be preview when Pedro brings his Mets to Fenway. The Mets are the Kings of NY now. The demise of the Yankees are apon us. They have gotten away from what made them great in the 90's. A good farm system. Funny how things change. Sox win a world series and have a strong farm system. King of ironic. Thank gos for the new ownership in Boston and the GM in NY (Mets) is getting the job done. Could be a preview of 1986. :cool:

I'd say the Yanks farm system is doing just fine.

Cano is huge part of the team. Wang is a solid young arm.

They repalced the injured Matsui with a farmhand in Melky.

They have Phil Hughes down the line to be a big time starter.

The Red Sox have Paps and Youk performaning well. But Delcarman struggled.

The best Red Sox prospect happens to be on his way to winning NL ROY in Florida. Trading Hanley Rameriz will haunt the Red Sox for years.

[Mavrik28]

Mets and Sox on a collsion course. This June will be preview when Pedro brings his Mets to Fenway. The Mets are the Kings of NY now. The demise of the Yankees are apon us. They have gotten away from what made them great in the 90's. A good farm system. Funny how things change. Sox win a world series and have a strong farm system. King of ironic. Thank gos for the new ownership in Boston and the GM in NY (Mets) is getting the job done. Could be a preview of 1986. :cool:

Lets look at the 1998 Yanks team that played in the World Series:

1b: Tino Martinez, TRADED to the Yanks
2b: Chuck Knoblauch, TRADED to the Yanks
SS; Jeter HOMEGROWN
3b: Scott Brosius, FREE AGENT signing
RF: Paul O'Neil, TRADED to the Yanks
CF: Bernie HOMEGROWN
LF: Ricky Ledee HOMEGROWN
Catcher: Posada HOMEGROWN
DH: Chili Davis FREE AGENT signing

Andy Pettitte: HOMEGROWN
El Duque: FREE AGENT
David Wells: FREE AGENT
David Cone: TRADED to the Yanks

Mariano: HOMEGROWN

That team had 6 homegrown players, 4 players brought in via free agency and 4 via trade.

The Yanks going into this season:

1b: Giambi: FREE AGENT
2b: Cano HOMEGROWN
SS: Jeter HOMEGROWN
3b: A-Rod TRADED to the Yanks
RF: Sheff FREE AGENT
CF: Damon FREE AGENT
LF: Godzilla FREE AGENT
C: Posada HOMEGROWN
DH: Bernie HOMEGROWN

Randy: TRADED to Yanks
Moose: FREE AGENT
Chacon: TRADED to Yanks
Wang: HOMEGROWN

Mo: HOMEGROWN

That breaks down to 6 homegrown players, 5 via free agency, 3 traded to Yanks

I'd say the Yanks makeup hasn't changed much at all.

[Mavrik28]

Now lets look at the 2004 World Series Red Sox. Here are the players that played in the World Series:

1b: Millar FREE AGENT
2b: Bellhorn TRADE
SS: Orlando TRADE
3b: Mueller FREE AGENT
RF: Trot HOMEGROWN
CF: Damon FREE AGENT
LF: Manny FREE AGENT
DH Papi FREE AGENT
C: Tek TRADE

Curt: TRADE
Pedro: TRADE
Lowe: TRADE
Wake: FREE AGENT

Foulke: FREE AGENT

That all breaks down to 7 via free agency, 6 via trades, 1 homegrown.

The Red Sox team as it would look if you add Crisp who is suppose to be the CF:

1b: Youk HOMEGROWN
2b: Loretta TRADE
SS: Gonzalez FREE AGENT
3b: Lowell TRADE
RF: Trot HOMEGROWN
CF: Crisp TRADE
LF: Manny FREE AGENT
DH Papi FREE AGENT
C Tek, TRADE

Curt: TRADE
Wake: FREE AGENT
Beckett: TRADE
Clement: FREE AGENT

Paps: HOMEGROWN

That breaks down to 3 homegrown, 5 free agents, 6 via trade.

You also have to factor in that Crisp when injured has been replaced by Pena, acquired via trade. Foulke lost the closers role so he was replaced by a farm product in Papelbon.

The Yanks again have more homegrown products contributing. Curt and RJ were both salary dumps, so they cancel each other out. And A-Rod was more or less a salary dump, but the Yanks had to trade an everyday player to get him.

My point in this whole comparison is that the Yanks have prospects and they use them. Last season they fixed the 2nd base issues with Cano who is a heck of a player. Wang was called up when Pavano and Jaret Wrong got hurt and he has since been a starter. Sheff went down and they called up a farmhand in Melky and when Matsui went done they called up Kevin Reese, a farmhand.

If the Yanks were so "greedy" as other board members claim they would have already traded Cano and Wang for established stars. But they haven't. Cashman's goal is to continue to build with minor leaguers. So far he has kept to that belief.

The Red Sox on the otherhand have traded away prospects in Hanley and Meredith and Anibal Sanchez. And guys like Bard and Marte are young players also traded away.

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Wow. I cannot believe this thread was a) created b) created by Mark and c) taking so seriously.

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Whoa.

LI-Mike is now going to come and tell you how he's a Red Sox fan but Robertbee gives them a bad name blah blah blah.
What's your day job bro? Plasma donor?

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

robertc!
Didn't you say LI-Mike tries to bait people in a post on Page 1 - What do you call this?

[SmartassBoiler]

Nothing like a argument thread between fans of 2nd rate teams. ;)

kidding

[Sbells]

Nothing like a argument thread between fans of 2nd rate teams. ;)

kidding

One season ago, you wouldn't have the ground to stand on...;)

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Nothing like a argument thread between fans of 2nd rate teams. ;)

kidding
HaHa. Great post!

[BigFred]

Melki knows his AL East.

[robertbee]

LI-Mike instead of slamming me try and bring something postive to the board. You seem to mention me in all your posts. You keep attacking my character. If you do not like me or anyone else click the ignore feature, enough is enough. This is a sportsboard, we talk sports here. If you want to talk about Robertbee pm me. I know your a newbie and are acting like one. But please stop the drama

[robertbee]

What was robertbee's second account while he was banned?

Yes what was it? I honored my suspensions and there was never one post from me.
Glad I am in your thoughts, your head, and your time is consumed by me. That is just sad! Get over it Mikey

[Sbells]

LI-Mike go back to yout trash barge. Instead of slamming me try and bring something postive to the board. You seem to mention me in all your posts. You keep attacking my character. If you do not like me or anyone else click the ignore feature, enough is enough. This is a sportsboard, we talk sports here. If you want to talk about Robertbee pm me. I know your a newbie and are acting like one. But please stop the drama you drama queen

I'm on the hate list right next to ya!

[Mavrik28]

yet you continue to allow Kramer to post 10 New Orleans related threads a day that clog up the board. how about making him stick to 1 thread as well? if you are doing it to the sox/yanks fans then do it to everyone.

The Sox/Yanks discussions people actually care about and is fun for people. They dont seem to bother people who dont care about the 2 teams. But Kramer is annoying to most everyone by clogging the boards with his New Orleans whining posts.

how about a little even distribution of power mark?

like ive said to you in the past.... you have to be consistant with your power. there are always different rules for different people. thats why so many are confused as to whats allowed on this board. a hand full of people will get away with something to the one person who gets in trouble.

btw any Jonathan Papelbon SP talks going on lol :)

I love it, Toight is slamming Kramer and challenging Mark's power. I may get to like Toight afterall.

[robertbee]

Yankees batted .233 in the clutch in '05

Yankees batted .288 with no runners on base in '05!

Not bad for ............


$ 208,306,817

[Vinnie4]

LI-Mike go back to yout trash barge. Instead of slamming me try and bring something postive to the board. You seem to mention me in all your posts. You keep attacking my character. If you do not like me or anyone else click the ignore feature, enough is enough. This is a sportsboard, we talk sports here. If you want to talk about Robertbee pm me. I know your a newbie and are acting like one. But please stop the drama you drama queen
I don't mind your posting about sports, just please try to cut back on the insults. I think that is what people have a problem with. Using you and I as an example.....we agree to disagree on the Yankees/Red Sox issue. But when you attack where I'm from....not a necessary part of our discussions, and it only leads to heated rebuttals.

[Mavrik28]

i understand that...but this is the same exact type of thread as all those. it just fuels the fire more then anything.

there is a yankees thread and a redsox thread. fans of each team should just stick to their own team.

then when the Sox/Yanks play we have 1 series thread where people discuss it. then after that its done until next series.

its not that hard to do...just need to up the maturity level here

Wow, Toight asking for more maturity on the board. This is some great stuff. Toight is off my ignore list now.

[Mavrik28]

I don't mind your posting about sports, just please try to cut back on the insults. I think that is what people have a problem with. Using you and I as an example.....we agree to disagree on the Yankees/Red Sox issue. But when you attack where I'm from....not a necessary part of our discussions, and it only leads to heated rebuttals.

I think we call all agree on this.

[robertbee]

I don't mind your posting about sports, just please try to cut back on the insults. I think that is what people have a problem with. Using you and I as an example.....we agree to disagree on the Yankees/Red Sox issue. But when you attack where I'm from....not a necessary part of our discussions, and it only leads to heated rebuttals.

Vinnie I am sorry if the maple syrup and farmer joke upset you. I love Vermont and do go snowboarding at Killington and Okemeo every year. I love the state. I love New England. On the internet people tend to take things to serious and its hard to read what they say. So I appoligize if I offended you. It wont happen again.
Vermont is one of the best states in the Union.

[Sbells]

Wow, Toight asking for more maturity on the board. This is some great stuff. Toight is off my ignore list now.

He wasn't on before if you were able to see his posts!;)

[Mavrik28]

I think it's awesome that Yankees fans are trying to get Robert banned, suspended or something. The word 'small' comes to mind.

Small would be making a thread about Kim hearts Lidge.

[Mavrik28]

He wasn't on before if you were able to see his posts!;)

You can see see when someone responds to his posts.

[Bronx Bombers]

It was quoted.

[Sbells]

You can see see when someone responds to his posts.

I realize it does. It was more about joking than it was about proving you a liar.

[Mavrik28]

I realize it does. It was more about joking than it was about proving you a liar.

For this thread I have looked at all his posts.

[robertbee]

I'm on the hate list right next to ya!
Sbells


I know were we can get 2 for 1 bullet proof vests on the cheap. Maybe ever some catching mask's and pads. Is that guy full of hate or what? My lord.

Kind of reminds me of.......

Psycho: The name's Francis Sawyer, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you. Leon: Ooooooh. Psycho: You just made the list, buddy. Also, I don't like no one touching my stuff. So just keep your meathooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. And I don't like nobody touching me. Any of you bleep touch me, and I'll kill you. Sergeant Hulka: Lighten up, Francis.

[Vinnie4]

Vinnie I am sorry if the maple syrup and farmer joke upset you. I love Vermont and do go snowboarding at Killington and Okemeo every year. I love the state. I love New England. On the internet people tend to take things to serious and its hard to read what they say. So I appoligize if I offended you. It wont happen again.
Vermont is one of the best states in the Union.
Apology accepted. No hard feelings.

[Todd13]

I think we call all agree on this.But bashing Utah is ok with you. That didn't have anything to do with sports.

[robertbee]

Blue Jays have owned the Sox the last 3 years. Catanaldo is a Sox killer. Last year he was a pain. Wells is also. Ted Lilly. He looks like Cy Young when he plays the Sox. The Jays stack up well against the Sox and it is looking like Doc is getting his stuff back togetter. The Jays worry me more that the Yankees. Just cant beat them.
IF only Josh Towers starts all their games. I think we have 3 wins against hm this year.

[Mark Weber]

Ted Lilly. Another Yankee prospect they never should have traded away. Got us Jeff Weaver in exchange - Ugh.

[Xar]

Thanks for Lilly :D :D :D

[Mavrik28]

But bashing Utah is ok with you. That didn't have anything to do with sports.

It was a joke. Sorry about that. I use to live in Utah. I was making fun of your comments towards me.

You said other Yankees fans hate me. I Responded with "The other 49 states hate Utah, whats your point?".

Robertbee apologized to Vinnie for making fun of Vermont and I did the same thing making fun of Utah. Again I apologize. I love Utah. Great state. People are friendly and polite.

[Mavrik28]

Ted Lilly. Another Yankee prospect they never should have traded away. Got us Jeff Weaver in exchange - Ugh.

At the time the trade was made it was a good trade. Weaver was sought after by alot of teams, Red Sox included. He had the tools to be good, he just wasn't ready for New York.

Lilly never showed anything special for the Yanks. So trading him was not a big deal at the time.

[Mavrik28]

Going into Mondays' games:

Hanley Ramirez #1 in NL batting average at .345
Edgar Renteria #2 in NL batting average at .342

Alex Gonzalez .227.

That Theo is a genius.

[Todd13]

It was a joke. Sorry about that. I use to live in Utah. I was making fun of your comments towards me.

You said other Yankees fans hate me. I Responded with "The other 49 states hate Utah, whats your point?".

Robertbee apologized to Vinnie for making fun of Vermont and I did the same thing making fun of Utah. Again I apologize. I love Utah. Great state. People are friendly and polite.I guess were even now. Lets try and keep anything other than sports out of the bashing remarks. Now I have to go bash your latest comments. LOL

[Todd13]

Going into Mondays' games:

Hanley Ramirez #1 in NL batting average at .345
Edgar Renteria #2 in NL batting average at .342

Alex Gonzalez .227.

That Theo is a genius.You think Theo got Gonzalez for his bat? Defense killed the Sox last year. Who is #1 in fielding at SS this year? Alex Gonzalez.
So I guess your statement is correct. Theo is a genius.
And that 3 run HR was pretty nice against the Yanks.

[Hardcore Legend]

Small would be making a thread about Kim hearts Lidge.

No, the adjective you were looking for was 'creative'. If you need anymore, just drop me a line. I have a ton.

[Mavrik28]

No, the adjective you were looking for was 'creative'. If you need anymore, just drop me a line. I have a ton.

I'd hardly say comparing Kim to Lidge as creative. We know they both suck.

[Mavrik28]

You think Theo got Gonzalez for his bat? Defense killed the Sox last year. Who is #1 in fielding at SS this year? Alex Gonzalez.
So I guess your statement is correct. Theo is a genius.
And that 3 run HR was pretty nice against the Yanks.

I think I'd take a solid young hitter who can only get better in Hanley Ramirez over Alex Gonzalez any day.

Hanley is only 22 years old. He is only going to continue to improve and will eventually be the best SS in all of baseball.

And that 3run homer had ZERO effect on the game. The Yanks were already getting beat 7-2.

Sure the Red Sox wanted Gonz for his glove, but he is a very easy out.

Nobody in their right mind would take a 29 year old with limited to no offenseive ability making 2.6 million over a 22 year old stud making 327,000.

Edgar, well are we really suprised he's having such a good season in the NL? He was not made for the big market.

[Mavrik28]

I guess were even now. Lets try and keep anything other than sports out of the bashing remarks. Now I have to go bash your latest comments. LOL

Agreed and again I apologize.

[Hardcore Legend]

It's interesting that Theo is dedicated to defense now, especially since it was terrible when they won the World Series.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Going into Mondays' games:

Hanley Ramirez #1 in NL batting average at .345
Edgar Renteria #2 in NL batting average at .342

Alex Gonzalez .227.

That Theo is a genius.

That's the 21st century Yankee mentality oozing out of you. You don't need an All-Star at every position, just ask the 2000 Yankees and the 1998 Yankees and the 1997 Yankees and the 1996 Yankees...

[Mavrik28]

That's the 21st century Yankee mentality oozing out of you. You don't need an All-Star at every position, just ask the 2000 Yankees and the 1998 Yankees and the 1997 Yankees and the 1996 Yankees...

Never said you need an all star at every position. I just find it funny that the previous Red Sox SS and the once future SS are both playing so well. You gotta admit its ironic. Florida upgraded their SS position. And the Red Sox replace their SS with the former Marlins SS.

I'm glad the Yanks are holding on to guys like Cano and Wang. I'm still mad they let Tino go and repalced him with Giambi.

Sometimes there isn't a better option via trades or the minor leagues so they spend the loot. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. But with Cashman in charge, I'm pretty confident that the focus will shift more to homegrown talent instead of spending.

With Matsui and Sheff out it's nice to see the Yanks not panic and trade a Cano or Duncan or Hughes for another outfielder. Use Melky and Reese. Now if they'd only call up Colter Bean or Kevin Thompson.

I can understand the Red Sox dumping Renteria, he was a total waste. And they sure did spend alot of money to get rid of him. But Hanley looks to be the real deal. Trading away a very solid prospect for a pitcher with a questionable arm and a large contract in Mike Lowell may look like a solid move right now but long term, Hanley will be more valuable.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

All I'm saying is that as a Yankee fan, you're too used to All-Stars at every position which is good and all but not necessary to field a winning team. The Red Sox only signed Gonzalez to a one-year deal and all they wanted from him was solid defense and they're getting that. I don't think it was a bad deal at all.

[Mavrik28]

All I'm saying is that as a Yankee fan, you're too used to All-Stars at every position which is good and all but not necessary to field a winning team. The Red Sox only signed Gonzalez to a one-year deal and all they wanted from him was solid defense and they're getting that. I don't think it was a bad deal at all.

Who will be the SS next year? Why have to always worry about the SS postion when a stud like Hanley was never given a shot.

I'm not used to an all star at every position. I don't care if there is an alls tar or not. Not liek beign an all star means much. The All Star game is about as big of farce as it gets. Lets have the World Series home field determined by an exhibtion game. Lets make sure every team has an all star.

[Todd13]

I think I'd take a solid young hitter who can only get better in Hanley Ramirez over Alex Gonzalez any day.

Hanley is only 22 years old. He is only going to continue to improve and will eventually be the best SS in all of baseball.

And that 3run homer had ZERO effect on the game. The Yanks were already getting beat 7-2.

Sure the Red Sox wanted Gonz for his glove, but he is a very easy out.

Nobody in their right mind would take a 29 year old with limited to no offenseive ability making 2.6 million over a 22 year old stud making 327,000.

Edgar, well are we really suprised he's having such a good season in the NL? He was not made for the big market.You may be right about Hanley. I didn't think they would ever give him up. I think most of us Red Sox fans are pleased with Gonzalez after
Renteria's poor display. 8 rbi's in the last 7 games. We'll see how it turns out.

[robertbee]

Sure the Red Sox wanted Gonz for his glove, but he is a very easy out.

Nobody in their right mind would take a 29 year old with limited to no offenseive ability making 2.6 million over a 22 year old stud making 327,000.


Who will be the SS next year? Why have to always worry about the SS postion when a stud like Hanley was never given a shot
Mavrik28



last year there was a glaring weakness in the sox infield. Rentawreck. he was just awful To his credit he played with a bad back and kept it quite. He just didnt fit in as a Red Sox forever reason that was. Now its too bad Hanley got tradedd but to get a young pitcher with Becketts credentials out weighs Hanley. You just dont get the caliber pitcher as Beckett. He's young. Its a good move. Better than Pavano, Unit, Weaver, Wright, Contrea's, ect. Those moves have not paid off for the Yankees. Beckett has a future only being 25 and a world series to his credit.

Now I thought you may have heard of Dustin Pedroia?


http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2005/08/15/45.html

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Worst thread ever.

[DMBMARKT2]

It's interesting that Theo is dedicated to defense now, especially since it was terrible when they won the World Series.

Not so much after the Sox got Cabrera and Mientkiewicz. The "fatal flaw" was the defense, that's why he made the trade.

[DMBMARKT2]

I think I'd take a solid young hitter who can only get better in Hanley Ramirez over Alex Gonzalez any day.

Hanley is only 22 years old. He is only going to continue to improve and will eventually be the best SS in all of baseball.

And that 3run homer had ZERO effect on the game. The Yanks were already getting beat 7-2.

Sure the Red Sox wanted Gonz for his glove, but he is a very easy out.

Nobody in their right mind would take a 29 year old with limited to no offenseive ability making 2.6 million over a 22 year old stud making 327,000.

Edgar, well are we really suprised he's having such a good season in the NL? He was not made for the big market.

Your argument makes it seem as if the Red Sox traded Hanley to bring in Alex Gozalez. They brought in Gonzalez as a one year solution until Dustin Pedrioa comes up next year. That doesn't mean I think they should've traded Hanley. In fact I have read that Theo was totally against the trade that brought Beckett and Lowell. He wasn't the general manager at the time of the trade though. In the end it'll probably work out for both teams. It is after all pitching pitching pitching. Everyone wants young stud pitchers that they can control for a number of years.

[robertbee]

What's this that I hear the Big Mess maybe calling it quits? The rumor mill has it that he will have an announcement Friday. Arm problems may end a somewhat brilliant career. Too bad. I liked seeing him get beat in a Yankees uniform. MIght have to throw 30 million at Clemens. :eek:

[Ditka Rules]

The only good thing about Boston is memories of Larry Bird. Why do Red Sox fans brag ever year about how good the team is, but seem to forget only one world series win in about 90 years.

[Todd13]

The only good thing about Boston is memories of Larry Bird. Why do Red Sox fans brag ever year about how good the team is, but seem to forget only one world series win in about 90 years.This is a thread about the greatest rivalry in sports. It wouldn't even matter if the Red Sox had never won a world series.
I'll be a Red Sox fan for life. Go find a basketball thread to vent on.

[robertbee]

http://i.a.cnn.net./si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0605/missed.0512/images/0512_9.jpg

[Todd13]

LMAO--So he was Da man in Boston and an angel in NY. How sweet Yankees fans.

[Mavrik28]

Your argument makes it seem as if the Red Sox traded Hanley to bring in Alex Gozalez. They brought in Gonzalez as a one year solution until Dustin Pedrioa comes up next year. That doesn't mean I think they should've traded Hanley. In fact I have read that Theo was totally against the trade that brought Beckett and Lowell. He wasn't the general manager at the time of the trade though. In the end it'll probably work out for both teams. It is after all pitching pitching pitching. Everyone wants young stud pitchers that they can control for a number of years.

As long as those young pitchers don't have blisters. Looks like the blister may have returned last night.

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_5.15_nesn.jpg

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[Mavrik28]

last year there was a glaring weakness in the sox infield. Rentawreck. he was just awful To his credit he played with a bad back and kept it quite. He just didnt fit in as a Red Sox forever reason that was. Now its too bad Hanley got tradedd but to get a young pitcher with Becketts credentials out weighs Hanley. You just dont get the caliber pitcher as Beckett. He's young. Its a good move. Better than Pavano, Unit, Weaver, Wright, Contrea's, ect. Those moves have not paid off for the Yankees. Beckett has a future only being 25 and a world series to his credit.

Now I thought you may have heard of Dustin Pedroia?


http://www.minorleaguenews.com/baseball/features/articles2005/08/15/45.html

He should be the second baseman. And yes I've heard of him, they talk about him as much as they talked about Hanley. And Hanley got traded. So it wouldn't shock me if Dustin was traded.

If the Red Sox really wanted to get younger they could have had this infield:

1b Youk
2nd Pedoira
SS Hanley
3rd Marte

Talk about cheap and locked up for years. Instead the 2 best parts of that possible infield are gone. The Yanks get accused of always trading young talent, I'd say the Red Sox should be accused of the same thing.

Dustin hasn't exactly been putting up great numbers at PAwtucket, he's hitting just .256 with 1 homer 6 rbi's and a slg% of .344 and zero stolen bases.

Not saying he can't be a good MLBer, just right now he hasn't looked at great as people have hyped him.

Too be fair, Eric Duncan of the Yankees has stunk it up for Columbus. Hitting .209 with no homers and 6 rbi's.

[Mavrik28]

lYou just dont get the caliber pitcher as Beckett. He's young. Its a good move. Better than Pavano, Unit, Weaver, Wright, Contrea's, ect. Those moves have not paid off for the Yankees. Beckett has a future only being 25 and a world series to his credit.

Let's not get too carried away here with Beckett. He also has a major blister issue and a bad arm that has a tear similar to Pedo that the team knows about. They are letting him pitch through it and they'll worry about it when the time comes.

Pavano has been injured and so far a waste for the Yanks, but he also has WS ring.

Unit was already aging when they got him, but last year he did his job by giving the Yanks a number 1 starter.

Weaver has sucked for the Dodgers and Angels as well as the Yanks.

Contreas is one of the best pitchers in baseball. Mel Stottlemyre kills good pitchers and he had Jose pitching the wrong way. As soon as he was traded to the White Sox, El Duque told him to just pitch and forget what Mel told him. He was one of the best pitchers down the stretch last year and he too has a World Series ring. I was mad when the Yanks traded him.

Wait, whats that I hear, Curt Schilling just gave up another home run? 3 today. 3 his last outing. Looks like age has caught up to him. Maybe him and Randy can join the old folks home together.

[Yukoner]

Dustin hasn't exactly been putting up great numbers at PAwtucket, he's hitting just .256 with 1 homer 6 rbi's and a slg% of .344 and zero stolen bases.

Not saying he can't be a good MLBer, just right now he hasn't looked at great as people have hyped him.

Too be fair, Eric Duncan of the Yankees has stunk it up for Columbus. Hitting .209 with no homers and 6 rbi's.

The difference is that all of MLB considers Pedroia an excellent prospect. Only the Yankees still/ever considered Eric Duncan to be a blue chip trade piece... which is why they rushed him through the system. They wanted to get him exposure for trade value, and every team has seen right through it.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Is David Blaine at Yankee Stadium, because the strike zone just vanished.

[DMBMARKT2]

As long as those young pitchers don't have blisters. Looks like the blister may have returned last night.


Still blister free says Beckett. Lowe had blister problems too.

[Mavrik28]

Still blister free says Beckett. Lowe had blister problems too.

I know the team was saying it was mud on his fingers. But I know Remy was saying to him it looked nothing like mud. And the photos I posted look like he is checking for a blister. Not saying it is, but it looks like it.

[DMBMARKT2]

I know the team was saying it was mud on his fingers. But I know Remy was saying to him it looked nothing like mud. And the photos I posted look like he is checking for a blister. Not saying it is, but it looks like it.

That came from Beckett. He says that he checks his finger after every game...."There's no blister. I look at it all the time. Every inning I'll be in there messing with it, just to see what the callous is doing."

[robertbee]

Tonight special. Chien-Ming Wang with fried meatballs. Meatballs will be flying over the green monster tonight!

[Mavrik28]

Schilling versus Wang.

Wang has been solid in his last 2 starts:

5/12 versus Oak he went 8 innings giving up just 3 hits and zero earned runs
5//17 versus Tex he went 8, with 6 hits and 2 earned runs

Schilling has struggled in his last 2 starts giving up 3 homers in each of his last 2 starts and pitching less then 6 innings in those 2 starts.

But when these 2 teams play you can throw all those numbers out.

Best news is Sheff may be back tomorrow night to k.o. some fenway drunks.

[Todd13]

Tonight special. Chien-Ming Wang with fried meatballs. Meatballs will be flying over the green monster tonight! MMM, That sounds good. I'll have that.

[orionquest]

Ahhhh, here we go again. As much as I think that 19 regular-season meetings are too much, I still ook forward to every one of 'em. Best rivalry in sports continues tonight.

Go Sox!

[Vinnie4]

Ahhhh, here we go again. As much as I think that 19 regular-season meetings are too much, I still ook forward to every one of 'em. Best rivalry in sports continues tonight.

Go Sox!
I have to agree with most of your post. These games, even in April and May, are exciting to watch, and also agree if it the greatest rivalry in sports.

Go Yankees!

[ToightLikeATiger]

Chien Mang threw the Wang pitch to Manny.

[Todd13]

Loved that 3-0 pitch to Ortiz. WHOOPS!!!Some people never learn.

[robertbee]

Loved that 3-0 pitch to Ortiz. WHOOPS!!!Some people never learn.

Meatballs were served. The best clutch eatter in baseball had a buffet. Not bad for a part timer!

Schilling looked great. Some good defense Silky smooth double plays. Soilid hitting. What a team What a team! What a team!

[robertbee]

Is the Yankess ship WRIGHT? He has a 3-0 lead in the 3rd. Lets see if he can sustain the Yankee ship. Sox are hitting Wright pretty hard so far. (no pun intended) :D

[Vinnie4]

I guess Jaret had the Wright stuff last night. And someone really needs to tell A-Rod he shouldn't be hitting home runs to give his team the win.

[Mavrik28]

Has Manny rounded the bases yet or is he still admiring his homer? How Red Sox fans can defend this guy is beyond me.

[robertbee]

Has Manny rounded the bases yet or is he still admiring his homer? How Red Sox fans can defend this guy is beyond me.


Stop your whinning. Reggie Jackson was the king of posing. That was a nice homer by Manny. Awesome shot. When your an MVP world sereis champion then defending him has it merits..



Good to see you you 2 have a pulse. Whats it take a win to get you to post. Typical fair weather fans. ;)


Big Mess looks like he maybe on. 2 outs man on 3rd. Manny is up...:)

[robertbee]

SEE YA.... Manny take The Big Mess DEEEEEEEEEEP...... Might be time to call it quits RANDY

[Vinnie4]

Stop your whinning. Reggie Jackson was the king of posing. That was a nice homer by Manny. Awesome shot. When your an MVP world sereis champion then defending him has it merits..



Good to see you you 2 have a pulse. Whats it take a win to get you to post. Typical fair weather fans. ;)


Big Mess looks like he maybe on. 2 outs man on 3rd. Manny is up...:)
Please, Manny has ne respect for anyone other than Manny. He stared down Proctor as much as he was admiring his shot.

[robertbee]

He stared down Proctor as much as he was admiring his shot

Good

[fenwayp]

Has Manny rounded the bases yet or is he still admiring his homer? How Red Sox fans can defend this guy is beyond me.

If Manny were a Yankee, you'd defend him too, so SHUTUP about it already !!!!! :eek: :D

[Therman Merman]

If Manny were a Yankee, you'd defend him too, so SHUTUP about it already !!!!! :eek: :DMaybe so, but if A-Rod or Sheffield did the same thing, Red Sox fans would be in an uproar, so get over yourselves.

[fenwayp]

That's my whole point...Red Sox fans defend Red Sox players. Yankee Fans defend Yankee players.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Man, am I glad the Jays didn't sign Clement last year.

[Todd13]

Has Manny rounded the bases yet or is he still admiring his homer? How Red Sox fans can defend this guy is beyond me.You've got to be kidding me. Are you for real?

[Mavrik28]

Stop your whinning. Reggie Jackson was the king of posing. That was a nice homer by Manny. Awesome shot. When your an MVP world sereis champion then defending him has it merits..



Good to see you you 2 have a pulse. Whats it take a win to get you to post. Typical fair weather fans. ;)


Big Mess looks like he maybe on. 2 outs man on 3rd. Manny is up...:)

I hardly ever post on here anymore. These boards are way down on my list of places I go.

Nice game out of Matt Clement. To think somebody actually pitched worse then the Unit tonight. :)

[Mavrik28]

If Manny were a Yankee, you'd defend him too, so SHUTUP about it already !!!!! :eek: :D

Actually I wouldn't. If Sheff did it I'd expect people to rip him for it and I'd rip him to.

[GoNiners]

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

2 out of 3 in Fenway!

Where was that superior pitching and defense robert?

[Todd13]

Sick play by Jeter! Damn him!!!!

[David_D]

Season series through 7 games:


Red Sux 4 Yankees 3


Too bad Mariano didnt hit Manny in the earhole on his helmet or maybe break a couple ribs!

[Vinnie4]

It was nice of Ortiz to keep Yankee pitchers cool by waving his bat around like that. 4 Ks, not a good night. The injury depleted Yankees take 2 of 3 in Fenway!!!!!!!!! Will Melky be the next Red Sox killer?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Go Blue Jays! The Jays will finish ahead of one of these teams!

[Vinnie4]

Go Blue Jays! The Jays will finish ahead of one of these teams!
I agree. I said at the beginning of the year that the Jays will take second in the division.

[Vinnie4]

If Manny were a Yankee, you'd defend him too, so SHUTUP about it already !!!!! :eek: :D
I don't care who did it, that type of behavior is very unsportsmanlike. My parents taught me to always treat others with respect and I'm teaching my kids that same lesson. And I for 1 am very glad Manny isn't a Yankee.

[Todd13]

I agree. I said at the beginning of the year that the Jays will take second in the division.Yep. Right behind the RED SOX. Thanks for the setup Vinnie.

[Todd13]

I don't care who did it, that type of behavior is very unsportsmanlike. My parents taught me to always treat others with respect and I'm teaching my kids that same lesson. And I for 1 am very glad Manny isn't a Yankee.I agree with you again. THANK GOD he isn't a Yankee.

[GOSKINS_08]

It does seem a bit anoyying the Manny looks at his HR's..

[robertbee]

And I for 1 am very glad Manny isn't a Yankee

Yeah right. I would rather have Manny than Afruad or Sheff. Is there a thread about whinning on this board? I think there is. Good game last night. Both teams bats got the job done. Poor pitching on both side. The Yankees 16 Million dollar ACE looked just as bad as Clement. Well not that bad but not what an ace should look like. Clement needs to get mean. He's to nice and that makes him soft. He needs to take a mean pill or borrow some of the juice boys needles and maybe he can get some rage in the fashion of Sheffield or Giambi. :D

[Vinnie4]

Yeah right. I would rather have Manny than Afruad or Sheff. Is there a thread about whinning on this board? I think there is. Good game last night. Both teams bats got the job done. Poor pitching on both side. The Yankees 16 Million dollar ACE looked just as bad as Clement. Well not that bad but not what an ace should look like. Clement needs to get mean. He's to nice and that makes him soft. He needs to take a mean pill or borrow some of the juice boys needles and maybe he can get some rage in the fashion of Sheffield or Giambi. :D
Funny, I thought the same thing about Big Mami. 4 Ks, the biggest coming on his last one. A chance to take the lead with a mighty swing.....but alas mighty Casey struck out. No Damon, Posada, or Matsui. And still the Yankees come away victorious. All that talk about how bad Johnson is, and the Red Sox still can't beat him. And what a game by "Mr. Overrated", especially the play to end the game. That is how you win gold gloves.

[robertbee]

Funny, I thought the same thing about Big Mami. 4 Ks, the biggest coming on his last one. A chance to take the lead with a mighty swing.....but alas mighty Casey struck out


Now that is funny. The guy has destroyed the Yankess time in and time out. A can feel your need to lash out after what he has done to the Yankees over the last few years. Let it out Vinnie. Let it out my boy. Its ok.



All that talk about how bad Johnson is, and the Red Sox still can't beat him


He was pretty bad. Clement was worse. The Red Sox beat the Big Mess pretty good. For 16 million a year that is alot for a plastic ace. Torre had to run out of the dugout to stop him from showing up his catcher. The guy is on his final count if you ask me.


No Damon, Posada, or Matsui


Its called old age. Get use too it.

[Vinnie4]

Now that is funny. The guy has destroyed the Yankess time in and time out. A can feel your need to lash out after what he has done to the Yankees over the last few years. Let it out Vinnie. Let it out my boy. Its ok.




He was pretty bad. Clement was worse. The Red Sox beat the Big Mess pretty good. For 16 million a year that is alot for a plastic ace. Torre had to run out of the dugout to stop him from showing up his catcher. The guy is on his final count if you ask me.



Its called old age. Get use too it.
Ortiz may have destroyed the Yankees in the past, but he looked bad last night, and blew a chance to possibly win the game. Johnson was bad to start, and he hasn't looked very good lately, but a win is a win. And it was a win without 3 starting players. I know losing to the Yankees is a tough pill to swallow, and losing to Randy Johnson is even tougher.

I just laugh at you, because at the beginning of the season you were talking about how the Sox could do no wrong, and that their pitching staff was going to be amazing. It hurts falling back to Earth so hard, doesn't it?

[robertbee]

I know losing to the Yankees is a tough pill to swallow, and losing to Randy Johnson is even tougher.


Why is it a tough pill to swallow? A lose is a lose. You cant win them all. Doesn;t matter who is pitching. What I enjoy is seeing the Big 16 Million Dollar man better know as the BIG MESS look like another bad signing by Cashman. When are they going to learn? The 30's something are not going to get it down. Its just bad bussiness. That is why the Yankees have not won a World Series in half a decade.
Signing players like Weaver, Wright, Vazqeuz, Had anyone seen Pavano? Paging Mr Pavano. Pavanp where are you? That was a brillinat move Where is Andy P? A Red Sox killer he was. Let go..Al Duque? Went to win a world series with Chicago along with .Jose Ariel Contreras And then Bringing in Father time What a mess. Bad moves all around. That my friend is a hard pill to swallow. And the Yankess brought the Moose in so he could win a Championship. He must be happy with all those Al East Championships. :D


I just laugh at you, because at the beginning of the season you were talking about how the Sox could do no wrong, and that their pitching staff was going to be amazing. It hurts falling back to Earth so hard, doesn't it?

Glad you can laugh. Always a good thing. Falling back to earth? They have yet to get hot. They have the least errors in the Majors. The infeild has been making some great plays. Schilling and Beckett had been outstaning and Wakefield as well (no run support) This team is well balanced and have talent, it takes pitching and defense to win and that is why they are in first place. The farm system is healthy and we have cards to deal, kids to bring up. May options. Not a bad problem to have.

Yankees Problem? Pitching and injury. A lineup that was suppose to challange murderers row. That went out the window after the first month.

So I will close it with saying. The laugh is on you my friend!
:D :D :D :D

[Vinnie4]

Schilling look really great in his lat outting against the Yankees, as did Wakefield. Beckett is in his hot streak right now....the DL awaits him as well. Wells is all washed up, and Clement is way to inconsistent.....well except for lately, he has been consistently bad. Manny is hot right now, but if he hits the DL for any length of time, the team will nosedive.
You keep talking about age with the Yankees...Moose is pitching very well, and Bernie was hot against Boston. A-Rod with the eventual game winning home run against Wakefield. Jeter's play to end the series.....beautiful. Melky looked very good, especially the final game of the series. Long looks to be a decent replacement in the outfield.
Het robert, look at team ERAs before you start talking about the Yankees pitching staff being washed up. If it wasn't for Boston's infield making great plays, I bet the Sox would be sitting in 3rd place right now.

[robertbee]

If it wasn't for Boston's infield making great plays, I bet the Sox would be sitting in 3rd place right now.

Your family is lucky you don't gamble. And please don't. Its not your best SUIT.

The Sox are in first place.

Manny willdo what he usually does. 40 hrs 140 rbi's
Schilling is proving everyone wrong again and last year was a bad year and Lowell had a bad year as well.
Wakefield has been pitching well. No run support.
Well is no Big Mess. He know's how to pitch something Randy has never learned. The cards are still out on Wells
The Sox ERA is misleading since you have Lenny Dinardo and Clement on the Staff. Very misleading. Weak argument VInnie. Very weak.

[Mark Weber]

If Manny were a Yankee, you'd defend him too, so SHUTUP about it already !!!!! :eek: :D

I wouldn't, but that's just me.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Always with the YANKS and the SAWX...

[Mark Weber]

Yeah right. I would rather have Manny than Afruad or Sheff. Is there a thread about whinning on this board? I think there is. Good game last night. Both teams bats got the job done. Poor pitching on both side. The Yankees 16 Million dollar ACE looked just as bad as Clement. Well not that bad but not what an ace should look like. Clement needs to get mean. He's to nice and that makes him soft. He needs to take a mean pill or borrow some of the juice boys needles and maybe he can get some rage in the fashion of Sheffield or Giambi. :D

Actually, New York's 16 million dollar ace is Mike Mussina.

Your stance on Manny is very clear Robert - given that him refusing to play on a "scheduled day off" following an injury to Trot Nixon was absolutely fine with you, I'm firmly convinced that Manny could sacrifice a kitten on second base and throw the knife at the umpire and you'd shrug and say "Well, that's just Manny being Manny. Remember he won a World Series MVP a few years ago..."

If you want to get into the steroids issue, where do you think Kevin Millar and Mark Bellhorn's home run power went the past couple years? I seem to remember them being key parts of that World Series run from a couple years ago...

A Yankees team with a wounded Jaret Wright, a struggling Randy Johnson, and injuries to Johnny Damon, Hideki Matsui, Jorge Posada and Gary Sheffield just took two out of three in Fenway. That's a series Yankees fans can certainly be proud of. Sure there's a TON of basball left to be played, but New York showed a lot of heart this week in Boston. Bring on the Royals!

[robertbee]

Actually, New York's 16 million dollar ace is Mike Mussina.
Merk Weber
I beleive its $19.6 million ?


Your stance on Manny is very clear Robert - given that him refusing to play on a "scheduled day off" following an injury to Trot Nixon was absolutely fine with you, I'm firmly convinced that Manny could sacrifice a kitten on second base and throw the knife at the umpire and you'd shrug and say "Well, that's just Manny being Manny. Remember he won a World Series MVP a few years ago..."


And lets not forget. He was the World Series MVP.... I can't fault people for thier short comings. We all make mistakes. You have to be delicate when dealing with Manny.
He acts like a child at times. That's his nature. Thats all in the past. Can't dwell on Manny being Manny.


Ok Mark let me run this by you. The demise of the Yankees is apon us I beleive.
Do you differ? And why?

. Present and future. Not looking good. The Big Mess career is comeing to an end sooner than later. Youare correct he is no longer an ace. Thats what he was brought to the Yankees to be. Bad move by Cashman. This decade the Yankees have gone out an brought in the expensive free agents most of thier talent use to come from with in. Not so anymore. Homegrown talanted and a few key signings have landed the Yankees world series rings. Now its just about signing high priced players, fielding an all star lineup that they paid millions. Probably over a Billion the last 5 years and they have nothing to show. They have hardly no talant in thier farm system Cano decent. Crosby ok. But they have been called up. So who is in the system now? You can only trade so much talant away before it hurts you. Who can they trade? Not many teams can afford any of the Yankees contracts and age is an issue as well. King Geroge is running out of time and his need for 1 more ring had put this fanchise in a bad situation. Yankees baseball use to mean something. Lately its been a complete mess. And harder days are to come. Johnson is in trouble, Wright is a accident waiting to happen, Wang has struggled. Small's glass slipper doesmt fit amymore, and where had Carl Pavano been? And who is that other guy? Cant think of his name. Wears his hat goofy. Do you thing the Yankees front office has been doing a good job? Andy P? Flash? Contreas? Brown? Weaver? Vazquez? El Duque? Pavano?
It makes you wonder.

Now the Red Sox front office has been getting the job done. Trading away a Boston Icon took ballz. And it paid off in the form of a world series. They think outside the box to bring in revenue so they can compete with the Yankes. NEver will be able to out spend them but they can out with and out last (Survivor term) and thats what they have done. They have one of the best infields in baseball. Some good hitting. Lorretta is a soild ballplayer and getting him for MIribelli was a steal. A true dirtdog. Lowell is paying off and bringing in Beckett has huge, Coc Crisp has a bright future,.Papelbon is 16 or 16 in save. Impressive. Youkilis insane in the field and sweinging a good bat. Pitching is healthy 4 and 5 weak. They farm system is healthy and

It seems to me that the Yankees have become the Sox of old and the Sox of today have become the Yankees of yesterday the redsox will be incontention for years to come that is what this ownership has set out to do The yankess are just after one more for King Geroge which has side tracked a once great organization. They lost foucus. And thats puts alot of pressure on the team. They need to take off the suit and let thier hair grow and have fun for a change as in the fashion of Johnny Damon in the good ole days

Just a thought Mr Weber :D

[Vinnie4]

And yet the Yankees lead the Sox in most offensive categories, as well as team ERA. And only a 1 game lead in the division. Hardly a dominating performance robert.
I love how Yankees pitchers have a bad outing and they are all washed up, but Sox pitchers like Wells and Clement get pounded, and the "cards are still out on them". Now that is a weak argument.
And the saying, Manny being Manny. One of the dumbest sayings in baseball. These guys are supposed to be "professional" baseball players. Diving to cut off throws, taking bathroom breaks during a game, and playing the field with a bottle of water in his back pocket, running through the base coach's sign to stop....all foolish behavior on his part. He is an adult, but the team has to be delicate in dealing with him? Give me a break. The guy has immense talent, but his behavior is a joke.

[Mark Weber]

And lets not forget. He was the World Series MVP.... I can't fault people for thier short comings. We all make mistakes. You have to be delicate when dealing with Manny. He acts like a child at times. That's his nature. Thats all in the past. Can't dwell on Manny being Manny.

So bottom line, Manny can act like a jackass and you'll always be OK with it because he's a great player??


Ok Mark let me run this by you. The demise of the Yankees is apon us I beleive. Do you differ? And why?

I think you and I are a little too emotionally involved to offer unbiased opinions on the future of the Yankees. I do agree with you that the Yankees lineup will look radically different in say, two years. That doesn't mean I think the "demise of the Yankees is upon us." With baseball's flawed salary structure, I don't think the Yankees or Red Sox will fall upon truly hard times anytime soon. Money can fix almost anything, and Boston and New York have deep pockets to overcome any developmental slumps or free agent blunders. New York's starting lineup next year could easily be:

C: Javy Lopez/Jorge Posada
1B: Nomar Garciaparra
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Alfonso Soriano/Torii Hunter
CF: Johnny Damon
RF: Hideki Matsui
DH: Jason Giambi

Half of the stuff you throw at the Yankees can be applied to the Red Sox as well. Sure Randy Johnson has struggled, but Curt Schilling has been absolutely lit on fire outside of Fenway. Boston's trade for Schilling and the Yankees' trade for Johnson were essentially the same deals, except that New York had to give up more (they'll miss Dioner Navarro) to get theirs accomplished.

It's true that New York traded away their prospects for established Major League talent for several years in the late 90s and early 2000s. Eric Milton, Cristian Guzman, Brandon Claussen, Alfonso Soriano, Ted Lilly & Nick Johnson were all shipped off for players that only helped in the short-term (if at all). The organization seems to have come around a bit - refusing all trade offers for Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang this last year while deeming pitching prospect PHillip Hughes "untouchable." Boston hasn't done it any differently - their only homegrown players are Nixon, Youkilis and Papelbon. You just shipped your best minor-league prospect to Florida for Beckett and Lowell. Didn't you trade one of your best pitching prospects (Cla Meredith) to re-acquire a catching caddy for your #3 starter?

They have hardly no talant in thier farm system Cano decent. Crosby ok. But they have been called up. So who is in the system now? You can only trade so much talant away before it hurts you. Who can they trade? Not many teams can afford any of the Yankees contracts and age is an issue as well. King Geroge is running out of time and his need for 1 more ring had put this fanchise in a bad situation.


Cano is the 7th best 2B (according to OPS) in Major League Baseball right now as he starts his second big-league season. I guess that's decent. Since you're interested, New York's best prospects are:

21-year-old OF Melky Cabrera: hitting .325 since his call-up in limited duty. You might remember his 2-for-4, 4 RBI night in New York's 8-6 win in Fenway Wednesday night.

21-year-old 1B/3B Eric Duncan: scuffling after a promotion to Triple-A Columbus, Duncan hit .235 with 19 HR and 61 RBI in a partial Double-A season in 2005.

26-year-old OF Kevin Thompson: Arrived at Triple-A Columbus after posting impressive numbers (.296 AVG, 14 HR, 71 RBI, 43 SB, .394 OBP, .483 SLG) in Double A last season.

19-year-old RHP Philip Hughes: A 2004 first-round pick was off to a great start last season before minor shoulder problems shut him down. The 19-year-old was 7-1 with a 1.97 ERA in 12 starts at low Class A and 2-0 with a 3.05 ERA in five appearances at high Class A. Hughes allowed 54 hits and 20 walks with 93 strikeouts in a combined 87 innings. The 6-5, 220-pounder throws in the mid-90s with command and has an effective breaking pitch.

That's without stretching to include REALLY young prospects like Jose Tabata, C.J. Henry or Austin Jackson. Who knows if these guys will ever be big contributors in the Bronx? I'm content that Wang and Cano were big helps last year, and that Cabrera looks sharp so far in his second call-up. I hope Duncan picks it up, as he could be a valuable player for us, particularly as a defensive improvement at 1B.

Yankees baseball use to mean something. Lately its been a complete mess. And harder days are to come. Johnson is in trouble, Wright is a accident waiting to happen, Wang has struggled. Small's glass slipper doesmt fit amymore, and where had Carl Pavano been? And who is that other guy? Cant think of his name. Wears his hat goofy. Do you thing the Yankees front office has been doing a good job? Andy P? Flash? Contreas? Brown? Weaver? Vazquez? El Duque? Pavano? It makes you wonder.

Don't forget that New York's pitching has been BETTER than Boston's so far this year. Randy Johnson's dominant days are obviously behind him, but I believe he can still be an effective 3rd or 4th starter. I've got no faith in Jaret Wright, but his last few starts have been encouraging. Wang has pitched well, though one bad inning in Boston cost him badly. I never thought Aaron Small's stuff was good enough to hold up for a full season, but his start was a lot better than his relief appearances have been. Chacon was coming around before his shin injury, but it shouldn't sideline him for long. You never mentioned that Mike Mussina is off to his best start in a decade, but that's not terribly surprising.

Some of the moves you're lampooning the Yankees front office for were unavoidable: Pettitte wanted to move back to Texas, Gordon wanted to close. Contreras and Vazquez had no success in New York - I don't know why. Kevin Brown was a real gamble, Weaver a terrible trade and Pavano a bad signing (time will tell if you picked up an injury-prone Marlins starter as well).The front office makes its share of mistakes, but the Yankees aren't ruined by any one personnel move because they have the funds to buy a replacement.

The things you accuse the Yankees front office of doing can easily be turned around and pinned on Boston too. You've traded most of the talent out of your farm system as well (Hanley Ramirez the latest example). You've been able to acquire expensive veteran talent for lesser prospects in cash-dump trades (think Schilling and Loretta). Sure, trading a sulking Nomar took some guts on Theo's part and helped deliver that championship you love to reference. Iconic players leaving the Red Sox is nothing new, mind you. Remember you're a rest stop, not a destination. Don't get too wrapped up in Boston's "domination of New York" because you've had a better season ONCE in the last eleven years.

It seems to me that the Yankees have become the Sox of old and the Sox of today have become the Yankees of yesterday the redsox will be incontention for years to come that is what this ownership has set out to do The yankess are just after one more for King Geroge which has side tracked a once great organization. They lost foucus. And thats puts alot of pressure on the team. They need to take off the suit and let thier hair grow and have fun for a change as in the fashion of Johnny Damon in the good ole days.

Five of the last 11 MLB Championships belong to the New York Yankees. Try winning one every other season for the next nine years and then we'll see if you're "the Yankees of yesterday." I can hear the response already - "Stop living in the past Yankee fan!" and I smile - 'cause living in the past is all some Boston fans have done since 2004.

And Tiger - I'm a big Yankees fan, but I'm also a realist. Find an inaccuracy in something I posted above - go ahead, take your time. I'll defend whatever "sinking ships" I believe in. Deleting your post doesn't change what you were temporarily brave enough to say...

[ToightLikeATiger]

i deleted it mark because i didnt want to fuel anymore fire to this thread. i dont feel like arguing with yankees fans over who is better. no matter what i say it will get disputed and bashed anyway. its not that important to me. its May and i really dont care.

you almost baited me into this but i can resist.

[robertbee]

Randy Johnson's dominant days are obviously behind him, but I believe he can still be an effective 3rd or 4th starter. I've got no faith in Jaret Wright
Mark Weber

Thanks for the laugh . A 16 Million doallar 3 or 4th stater. Only in Pin Stripes only in Pin stripes. Yankees baseball Yankees baseball..$$$$$$

:D Enjoy the weekend.

[fenwayp]

Yankees Fans should start worrying about their own team being able to beat the ROYALS... :) LOL...

[GOSKINS_08]

Yankees Fans should start worrying about their own team being able to beat the ROYALS... :) LOL...

Come on man the royals are the best 10 win team in the league..You gotta admit that..;) :D

[robertbee]

Sure there's a TON of basball left to be played, but New York showed a lot of heart this week in Boston. Bring on the Royals!
MArk Weber


Got to win the easy ones too mark. The Moose was on the hill tonight I beleive. Since he is making 3 million more that the Big Mess maybe he should be come the 2nd or 3rd starter :D

[robertbee]

So bottom line, Manny can act like a jackass and you'll always be OK with it because he's a great player??

Yes. Manny is one of us. Nobodys perfect and we can all find character flaws in someone but Manny brings alot to the plate. If its a little extra baggage then so be it. As in any relationship we must be ther for better or worse. You take to good with the bad. Admiring a homer really what is wrong with it. Reggie Jackson use to do it all the time. Just look at his sportspick. HE WAS THE kING OF IT and the King of NY.


The things you accuse the Yankees front office of doing can easily be turned around and pinned on Boston too. You've traded most of the talent out of your farm system as well (Hanley Ramirez the latest example
Mark


Tough call to see Hamley go. But would he have the Sox in first place? NO What Lowell has brought to the Sox is a ecent bat. Leading the league in doubles and looks to be back on track from a down year. And Beckett. Josh Beckett. Getting a 25 year old stud pitcher who has 7 wins already is why the Sox are in first place and he gives the Sox a dominat duel of Schilling and Beckett. As we know you need A 1 and A 2 to win a world series. Its something the brought a World Series to Boston. A good formula.



Didn't you trade one of your best pitching prospects (Cla Meredith)


No Hansen is the top pitching prospect and Lester is right behind him Abe Alverz and Manny Delcarmen Alot of potiental in these kids. And who knows maybe they can land a decent starter if needed come trade deadling. After all Boston is a rest area and not a destionation.


In 2005, Lester led the Double-A Eastern League in strikeouts and ERA. On occasion he struggles with his control, but he has command of three pitches, which should allow him to remain a starter for the foreseeable future. This season, Lester is faring well at AAA-Pawtucket. He should be in the Boston rotation to open the 2007 season.




worth a mention is micheal Bowden

[Mark Weber]

God bless the Toronto Blue Jays. They've been a huge help the last two seasons. Nice win for the Yankees tonight too - even though they let a comfortable lead slip away, taking the first two on the road against the team with baseball's best record is impressive. Doing it minus Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield, Johnny Damon & Shawn Chacon is even more impressive.

[Mark Weber]

In 2005, Lester led the Double-A Eastern League in strikeouts and ERA. On occasion he struggles with his control, but he has command of three pitches, which should allow him to remain a starter for the foreseeable future. This season, Lester is faring well at AAA-Pawtucket.

Lester is 3-4 for the PawSox with 20 walks in 42.2 IP and a 1.38 WHIP.
Michael Bowden is 2-3 with a 4.50 ERA in Single-A.

[Mavrik28]

Melky Cabrera last night was 4-6 with a triple, double and walk and 2 RBI's

Cabrera: .328 BA / .406 OBP / .410 SLG / .816 OPS so far this year. Everyone said the Yankees would panic and trade for an outfielder when Matsui went down. Nope, no need to. They were able to go to their supposedly weak minor league system and add a young and very talented player who is only going to get better.

[Mavrik28]

It's true that New York traded away their prospects for established Major League talent for several years in the late 90s and early 2000s. Eric Milton, Cristian Guzman, Brandon Claussen, Alfonso Soriano, Ted Lilly & Nick Johnson were all shipped off for players that only helped in the short-term (if at all).

Milton and Guzman were traded for Chuck Knoblauch. He was a huge part of the 3 straight World Series wins. He was a great lead off hitter and played really good 2nd base until he forgot how to throw. I'd say that trade worked out

Claussen was traded for Boone. Gotta say I still get goosebumps to this day watching him take Wakefield deep in game 7. Trade worked out just fine. Luckily Boone liked to play basketball and that led to A-Rod.

Soriano was moved for A-Rod. Yankees made off like thieves in that trade. Not only did they give up minimum to get one of the best players in the game, but Texas also has to pay about 67 million of his deal, so he only costs the Yankees about 16 million. Sure they haven't won a World Series since A-Rod joined, but he is still only 30 and is one of the premier players in all of baseball. As a side not to this trade. The trade was Soriano and and a player to be named for A-Rod and part of his salary to be paid. The player to be named later was to be chosen from a pool that included Robinson Cano. The Rangers opted to take Joaquin Arias. Thank you Rangers.

Ted Lilly, well thats another story. He was used to get Jeff Weaver. Weaver stunk. Weaver was then used to get Kevin Brown. That was a bust. Granted it was because the Yanks didn't get Curt Schilling, so they went after Kevin Brown, who had a better 2003 then Curt Schilling. I'm not saying that Brown was a better pitcher, just at the time Brown was coming off of one of his best years in a long time in 2003 for the Dodgers. Sure I would have preferred the Yanks got Schilling, but at the time I wasn't mad they got Brown.

Nick Johnson was used to get Javier Vazquez. Everyone wanted to get Javier. And for the 1st half of 2004 he was solid. Unfortunately he became another pitcher that couldn't hang in the AL East. He was then moved to get RJ. If RJ helps the Yanks win a World Series in the next 2 years then the trade was totally worth it.

Also the Yanks traded a young Jake Westbrook to get Dave Justice and he was a great pick up for the Yanks.

I'd say overall the Yanks have done alright in trading away some youngster for established players. They key is they never traded Bernie or Jeter or Mo or Posada or Pettitte. All 5 were prospects that helped them win 4 World Series rings. And names like Wang, Melky, and Cano might just be added to the list of prospects that helped them win a World Series.

[Mavrik28]

Mariano Rivera against the Tigers last night:

3 innings, 1 hit allowed, 25 pitches with 19 of them strikes. Zero walks and zero runs allowed.

[Mavrik28]

God bless the Toronto Blue Jays. They've been a huge help the last two seasons. Nice win for the Yankees tonight too - even though they let a comfortable lead slip away, taking the first two on the road against the team with baseball's best record is impressive. Doing it minus Hideki Matsui, Gary Sheffield, Johnny Damon & Shawn Chacon is even more impressive.

With Aaron Small on the mound and with Posada and Jeter and Giambi not at full strength.

[Vinnie4]

The Red Sox always worry about the Yankees, maybe they should start focusing on the Blue Jays a little more.

[robertbee]

Blue Jays got some thumpers. They have owned the Sox the last 3 years. And Red Sox killer Ted Lilly is on the hill. Some good ball being played up in Toronto. Cant take anything away from them. They have a nice lineup

[Mark Weber]

I miss Ted Lilly.

[Todd13]

So Yankee fans don't like Manny and Sox fans don't like Arod. Surprise, Surprise.

[Vinnie4]

So Yankee fans don't like Manny and Sox fans don't like Arod. Surprise, Surprise.
Actually, my dislike for Manny goes back to his days before the Boston

[Todd13]

Actually, my dislike for Manny goes back to his days before the BostonI understand your dislike of Manny. But you can't deny his talent.
He lives and breathes hitting. Always having a good time. A joker in the clubhouse.
As I'm writing this , Papi just hit one out! What was I saying?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Damn Todd Jones! Damn Chris Ray! The Jays can't seem to gain any ground on either of these teams when they really need it.

[fenwayp]

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vinnie4]

I understand your dislike of Manny. But you can't deny his talent.
He lives and breathes hitting. Always having a good time. A joker in the clubhouse.
As I'm writing this , Papi just hit one out! What was I saying?

Oh, I agree, he has tons of talent. I just don't like his behavior.

[troop2325]

C: Javy Lopez/Jorge Posada
1B: Nomar Garciaparra
2B: Robinson Cano
SS: Derek Jeter
3B: Alex Rodriguez
LF: Alfonso Soriano/Torii Hunter
CF: Johnny Damon
RF: Hideki Matsui
DH: Jason Giambi

Sorry Mark, Nomar has already said he will never play for the Yankees. He turned down more money with more years from the Yankees this past off season. He was quoted in the Globe as saying " I will always consider myself a Red Sox, no matter where I am, I would never disrespect Boston fans like that"....yeah I know Johnny said the same thing, but if you read his book ( Im the idiot, I paid money for it, but hell I have nothing else to do over here) you know he isnt the smartest knife in the drawer.

[robertbee]

This is how they did it. This is how the Bombers' Empire crumbled. The Yankees of 2000 were perfectly balanced. Both young and old players. The highest payroll, yet most underpaid team in baseball. Jeter, Bernie, Posada, Rivera and Pettite all were under their pre-arbitration contracts. The low pay youngsters allowed them to overpay for Wettland,Tino, Justice, Cone, and Clemens. Knoblach was wildly overpaid, but was a perfect addition to the young/old formula. Nobody could touch them.

Then, Steinbrenner comes back from exile. He fires the Stick, Gene Michaels. Cashman comes in. They completely abandon that winning model. The Yanks have always been in the perfect position to kill everyone with it. They have the ability to outbid everyone and anyone. They once had the best farm system, bar none. This isn't the NBA or NFL where the draft is your sole channel of talent, and a string of success leads to a bench full of 30th draft picks. In Major League baseball, the Latin ballplayer goes to the highest bidder as soon as the pubic hair arrives. How does Pujols come up and the Yanks don't outbid everyone? His whole town gets a new caddy and a Jeter jersey. Since Bernie came up there has been no quality outfielder for 15 years? Does Jay Buhner count as 2 in 20 years?
At this point, there is only one solution. Trading the best SS in baseball, A Rod, for young talent. Pitching. They will continue to hover around the top without winning a damn thing at this pace. Let's just hope no one is reading.



:spawnorb:

[Mark Weber]

Wow that's just damning criticism from a team that's fielded one starting outfielder from their farm system over the same span (Trot Nixon).

Should be a good game tonight. Let's hope Beckett continues to serve metball sandwiches. Right now he's on pace to surrender 42 home runs this season - that is if he pitches 200 innings...

[robertbee]

I like meatballs with pavano cheese. ;) Hey how is pavano doing....or should we just call him Bueller Bueller Bueller......

Unfortually I have to record the game on dvr. Have to go to work tonight. :mad:
Good pitching match up. Battle of the wounded tonight.

[Mark Weber]

The key difference is - Yankees fans aren't counting on Pavano to help us this year...

Who's injured on Boston right now?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Hopefully we see one of these teams take control of this series so the Blue Jays can move up.

[Mavrik28]

Andy Phillips 2-5, 1hr, 3rbi's, 1 run
Melky Cabrera 1-5, 2rbi's, 3 runs
Robbie Cano 2-5, 2 rbi's, 2 runs

And people say the Yankees have a crappy farm system.

[Yukoner]

Andy Phillips 2-5, 1hr, 3rbi's, 1 run
Melky Cabrera 1-5, 2rbi's, 3 runs
Robbie Cano 2-5, 2 rbi's, 2 runs

And people say the Yankees have a crappy farm system.

I'll still say it. One legitimate prospect past AA.

[Tanner2126]

I have a boston fan at work and he was all smiles today because all of the Yankees that are hurt or sick. Cant wait to see him tomorrow!!

[Tanner2126]

you know what great, 5 outta the yankee fielders were homegrown. And thats with Jeter not playing. Can the Red Soxs say that??

[Yukoner]

you know what great, 5 outta the yankee fielders were homegrown. And thats with Jeter not playing. Can the Red Soxs say that??

Yeah, but four of them aren't very good. Sun even shines on a dog's butt once a day.

[fenwayp]

Yankees spanked the Sox tonight, but tomorrow's another day...

[Mark Weber]

Yeah, but four of them aren't very good. Sun even shines on a dog's butt once a day.

Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada have impressive resumes, while Robinson Cano has been stellar in his first full year. Melky Cabrera and Andy Phillips have been strong filling in following the injuries to Sheffield and Matsui. Proctor and Rivera both looked good tonight if you want to include the pitching staff.

Are you backing what you type or just typing to keep busy? :)

[Green-eye Glow]

Yeah, but four of them aren't very good. Sun even shines on a dog's butt once a day.

jeter - last time i checked, he was and is still pretty good
posada - still one of the best hitting catchers in the league
cano - ranks in top 3 of offensive production from 2B in all of MLB, according to PECOTA and win shares
melky - too small a sample size, but has done well in his brief time in the majors
bernie - borderline hall-of-famer

the next time you want to insult a team like that, try backing it up with facts... they tend to make your argument stronger and prevent you from looking like a total ***.

[Mark Weber]

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_6.5_JB_ny_gett.jpg

Buck up little camper. Imagine if Jeter, Sheffield & Matsui had played tonight...

[SanchC]

I guess the Yanks/fans are a little happy they got a little payback for Oct 25th, 2003.:D

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_6.5_JB_ny_gett.jpg

Buck up little camper. Imagine if Jeter, Sheffield & Matsui had played tonight...

[Mark Weber]

Well, it's not quite the same thing, but a legion of Yankee fans (as well as Shea Hillenbrand and Ryan Howard, no doubt) certainly enjoyed the game on Monday night.

[robertbee]

Always a good feeling when your on top. Here we go again. Every little thing counts. First place bragging rights. May it be a 1/2 game or 10 games its always nice. Got to tip my cap to the Yankees for hanging in there when the shipped looks like its going down quicker than a the titanic. The Columbus Yankees are doing a hell of a job and this playing time is only going to help them, confidence, feeling like you belong, can spawn a winning feeling for a team and it becomes contagious. I've seen it before with the Patriots. And once the regs get back it can only make the team better. Is it happening to the Yankees? So far everything is clicking. They are becoming dangerous. But I will always be here waiting to kick them when they are down. ;)

Tough night for the Sox but the season is a about bouncing back and staying on the seesaw. Time to move forward. We got the man on the hill tonight. David Pauliy! I smell a no hitter! Lets go Rookie....


Who's injured on Boston right now?


Timlin, Wells,Foulke Mental Illness Clement, Lenny DiNardo
Willy Mo Pena

[cerealwarz]

I was there last night in the front row above the Red Sox dugout and there were so few Red Sox fans last night. I was shocked. Why are you jumping ship so early?

[RUI23MJ]

Yeah, but four of them aren't very good. Sun even shines on a dog's butt once a day.
So how does the sun feel on your butt today?:)

[ToightLikeATiger]

look at the Yankees fans gloat for no reason.

Dont you guys realize these 19 regular season games between the redsox and yankees mean absolutely nothing? when all the regualr season games are over the series record will be 10-9 or 11-8.... not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

Its the same thing every year. the season series is decided by a game or 2. During the series each team blows one another out a time or 2.

The division is gonna come down to how these 2 teams do vs everyone else. always has.

[Yukoner]

Bernie Williams and Jorge Posada have impressive resumes, while Robinson Cano has been stellar in his first full year. Melky Cabrera and Andy Phillips have been strong filling in following the injuries to Sheffield and Matsui. Proctor and Rivera both looked good tonight if you want to include the pitching staff.

Are you backing what you type or just typing to keep busy? :)

Bernie is washed, Posada is decent. Cano is only okay, but only mentioned as he is because of what satdium he calls home. The rest are filler.

[Yukoner]

jeter - last time i checked, he was and is still pretty good
posada - still one of the best hitting catchers in the league
cano - ranks in top 3 of offensive production from 2B in all of MLB, according to PECOTA and win shares

the next time you want to insult a team like that, try backing it up with facts... they tend to make your argument stronger and prevent you from looking like a total ***.

Next time you want to spout off, maybe you should check the lineup card. Jeter wasn't playing.

Runs created per 27 AB, Cano ranks 7th in the AL. Mark Grudzielanek, Jose Lopez, Tadahito Iguchi, Mark Loretta, Luis Castillo, and Adam Kennedy are all ahead of Cano.

That's in the AL only. Throw in the National League, and he's 16th. OPS is probably one of the best indicators of offensive production, and Cano ranks fourth in the AL. Across the Majors, he'd be 12th.

I'm not sure where you found your win shares stats, either. The best I could find was that Cano was good for exactly one. One win share as of May 26th. That puts him behind such players as... well, everyone, almost. He's in the 30's!

PECOTA is a projection.

Perhaps, before calling me out next time, make sure your stats are accurate.

[Mark Weber]

look at the Yankees fans gloat for no reason.

Dont you guys realize these 19 regular season games between the redsox and yankees mean absolutely nothing? when all the regualr season games are over the series record will be 10-9 or 11-8.... not really a big deal in the grand scheme of things.

When was the last time head-to-head record was needed as the tiebreaker to decide the A.L. East? Oh yeah, last year - when New York took the first two games of the three-game set in Fenway to close out the year and secure their tenth consecutive Division title...

Why do I bring this up? No reason. :rolleyes:

[Tanner2126]

Cano is only okay, but only mentioned as he is because of what satdium he calls home. The rest are filler.

Are you serious???

[ToightLikeATiger]

When was the last time head-to-head record was needed as the tiebreaker to decide the A.L. East? Oh yeah, last year - when New York took the first two games of the three-game set in Fenway to close out the year and secure their tenth consecutive Division title...

Why do I bring this up? No reason. :rolleyes:

well you get excited and act like a child over a win in June.

seems to me Yankees fans need to gloat more over wins then Redsox fans do.

so let me ask you this mark.... are you trying to get Robertbee or other Redsox fans banned by acting like you do on this thread? are you looking for a reaction that is against TMP policy?

last time i checked your job was to clean the board up of policy violators and unrelated material. NOT making a thread like this and antagonizing an internet fight.

[Sbells]

Next time you want to spout off, maybe you should check the lineup card. Jeter wasn't playing.

Runs created per 27 AB, Cano ranks 7th in the AL. Mark Grudzielanek, Jose Lopez, Tadahito Iguchi, Mark Loretta, Luis Castillo, and Adam Kennedy are all ahead of Cano.

That's in the AL only. Throw in the National League, and he's 16th. OPS is probably one of the best indicators of offensive production, and Cano ranks fourth in the AL. Across the Majors, he'd be 12th.

I'm not sure where you found your win shares stats, either. The best I could find was that Cano was good for exactly one. One win share as of May 26th. That puts him behind such players as... well, everyone, almost. He's in the 30's!

PECOTA is a projection.

Perhaps, before calling me out next time, make sure your stats are accurate, okay shooter?

You had the louder slap until you threw in the "okay shooter". Your last line should always pack the punch but still be brief unless you're going for the gusto with a solid slam (no offense, but "okay shooter" doesn't do it). The extra comment you threw in made it seem like a mouthful.

[ToightLikeATiger]

lol at Yukoner for thinking Cano is "only ok." the guy is gonna be a yearly .300 hitter. he will be a 20 homer/20 SB guy easily. he is young and already a good hitter in that lineup. More clutch then Arod already as well.

Cano is going to be an all-star for a while.

[Sbells]

well you get excited and act like a child over a win in June.

seems to me Yankees fans need to gloat more over wins then Redsox fans do.

so let me ask you this mark.... are you trying to get Robertbee or other Redsox fans banned by acting like you do on this thread? are you looking for a reaction that is against TMP policy?

last time i checked your job was to clean the board up of policy violators and unrelated material. NOT making a thread like this and antagonizing an internet fight.

Every single time Mark puts you back in your place when discussing the Sox/Yankees, you turn around and cry foul because he's a moderator. Well, that's only when you aren't running around calling people "homers"... Yes, you of all people...

If you feel so abused, leave.

[Yukoner]

lol at Yukoner for thinking Cano is "only ok." the guy is gonna be a yearly .300 hitter. he will be a 20 homer/20 SB guy easily. he is young and already a good hitter in that lineup. More clutch then Arod already as well.

Cano is going to be an all-star for a while.

Two homers and 0 steals this year project to a 20/20 guy?

[ToightLikeATiger]

Every single time Mark puts you back in your place when discussing the Sox/Yankees, you turn around and cry foul because he's a moderator. Well, that's only when you aren't running around calling people "homers"... Yes, you of all people...

If you feel so abused, leave.

so are you a redsox fan or yankees fan?

Mark didnt put me in any place so i dont know what you are thinking.

i also dont run around and call people homers.... so you obviously are just spouting off at the mouth without bring factual information.

i dont know why you continually try to attack me on these threads but your act is getting old. please do not address me unless you are going to actually have a conversation. im not going to get into a fight with you. you will go on my ignore list before i let that happen.

dont have a problem with you so get over whatever problem you have with me and go the other way

[Sbells]

so are you a redsox fan or yankees fan?

Mark didnt put me in any place so i dont know what you are thinking.

i also dont run around and call people homers.... so you obviously are just spouting off at the mouth without bring factual information.

i dont know why you continually try to attack me on these threads but your act is getting old. please do not address me unless you are going to actually have a conversation. im not going to get into a fight with you. you will go on my ignore list before i let that happen.

dont have a problem with you so get over whatever problem you have with me and go the other way

You said that regular season games don't matter.
He gave you "factual information" to prove otherwise.
Mark put you in your place.

Unfortunately, you either deleted your post calling me a homer or the thread is lost in the sea of garbage. I'm leaning towards the former, but I'll never know.

Go back through your posts and point out where you've been "attacked" on any thread by me. You'll fail to find it. Your reputation here speaks volumes, and although I think you've grown up a bit since you've shown up, you still come out of nowhere and act whiny.

Put me on ignore, I don't care. I hope you enjoy yourself while doing so.

I've never had a problem with you. I can hate one post, and agree completely with the next from the same boardmember. I'll admit to calling it like I see it every single day, and we all know what's to see here...

[GeauxTigers]

well you get excited and act like a child over a win in June.

I remember sox fans would do that year after year after year because they knew they could never beat the Yankees when it mattered. Now that ya'll got lucky and actually won a World Series you seem to have forgotten that.

[BlakChamber]

I remember sox fans would do that year after year after year because they knew they could never beat the Yankees when it mattered. Now that ya'll got lucky and actually won a World Series you seem to have forgotten that.
I know what you mean. They seem to think 1 World Series title makes up for 86 years of suck.

This thread cracks me up. Red Sox fans, at least some of them, have to be the biggest homers on the board.

[cerealwarz]

Mark, Do you have another picture of beckett leaving yesterday because I could see my left arm in the front row but no me?

http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_6.5_JB_ny_gett.jpg

Buck up little camper. Imagine if Jeter, Sheffield & Matsui had played tonight...

[Tanner2126]

Mark, Do you have another picture of beckett leaving yesterday because I could see my left arm in the front row but no me?

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=josh+beckett&c=&fr=&c=news_photos


Search thru those

[GeauxTigers]

Sun even shines on a dog's butt once a day.

That's exactly how I would describe the sox championship.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I remember sox fans would do that year after year after year because they knew they could never beat the Yankees when it mattered. Now that ya'll got lucky and actually won a World Series you seem to have forgotten that.

im sure there were sox fans that did that no doubt. still are fans that do that. personally i dont get too excited over games this early in the season.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I know what you mean. They seem to think 1 World Series title makes up for 86 years of suck.

This thread cracks me up. Red Sox fans, at least some of them, have to be the biggest homers on the board.

let me get this straight.. a tigers fans saying another team has sucked? first off the Sox didnt suck for 86 years. they still had some great ballclubs. they just never won the world series. just cause they didnt win for 86 years doesnt mean they didnt have good teams or werent a good franchise.

2nd of all is calling people homers suppose to be an insult or something? what makes a homer exactly? are people homers for cheering for their team? are homers people who love their team? i guess im trying to figure out way people keep using the term homer like its an insult.

Im a Redsox fan. i love the team. if that makes me a homer then so be it. it doesnt insult me when you call me a homer lol.

and if im clear on the definition of homer then every fan of every team would be considered a homer.

[Mark Weber]

well you get excited and act like a child over a win in June.

seems to me Yankees fans need to gloat more over wins then Redsox fans do.

so let me ask you this mark.... are you trying to get Robertbee or other Redsox fans banned by acting like you do on this thread? are you looking for a reaction that is against TMP policy?

last time i checked your job was to clean the board up of policy violators and unrelated material. NOT making a thread like this and antagonizing an internet fight.

You've got it backwards Tiger - I created this thread to have a designated place for the always heated and sometimes nasty give and take between fans of these two blood rivals, so the diehards would leave the "OFFICIAL" Yankee and Red Sox threads alone and keep them on-topic.

I'm allowed to post about Sports just like anyone else on the board. And while you're right that there aren't any big games in June, last night was a brutal beatdown of my least favorite Red Sox pitcher and a win that gave my favorite team the lead in the season series and in the division. Is it OK if I'm happy about it?

[Sbells]

let me get this straight.. a tigers fans saying another team has sucked? first off the Sox didnt suck for 86 years. they still had some great ballclubs. they just never won the world series. just cause they didnt win for 86 years doesnt mean they didnt have good teams or werent a good franchise.

2nd of all is calling people homers suppose to be an insult or something? what makes a homer exactly? are people homers for cheering for their team? are homers people who love their team? i guess im trying to figure out way people keep using the term homer like its an insult.

Im a Redsox fan. i love the team. if that makes me a homer then so be it. it doesnt insult me when you call me a homer lol.

and if im clear on the definition of homer then every fan of every team would be considered a homer.

BC was referring to the attitude of Sox fans - not the team's performance.

[Mark Weber]

Two homers and 0 steals this year project to a 20/20 guy?

Nah, I think it was the 14 homers last year that have people projecting 20 homers a year for Cano. I disagree with the steals though - Cano is fast on the bases, but hasn't shown much inclination for stealing bases at the Major League level.

[robertbee]

I know what you mean. They seem to think 1 World Series title makes up for 86 years of suck.
Blackchamber


6 total. But the one was well worth for what it did. It got Yankee fans offf out backs. When was the last time you heard 1918? Talk about living in the past. We had to live with the foolish chant all our lives. Everytime we played them. They loved kicking us and sticking in our face. Yes 1 world series title in 86 years cursed for 86 years. Hearing about trading the Babe. I would think a baseball gru like you would understand. 3 outs away from being swept in the ALCS and boy would we have heard it if the Yankees did win but the Red Sox humbled the Evil Empire in a 10-3 shocker thanks To Johnny Damon and over game a 3-0 deficit All Empires fall soon or later.
There is no torture this time, no hour of humiliation. Better yet for Sox fans it's the Yankees who are left to suffer the memory of a historic collapse. So Black Chamber it was more than 1 title in 86 years I figured you would have understood the magnitude of the "1' title since you are a Tigers fan and know what truely sucking all the time is about. You see it has come to a regualr season win for Yankee fans to gloat since they have been humbled most of this decade without out winning a World seies title while sending over 1 billion in an attempt to get King Gerorge one more ring before he expires.


Get It Like You Like It"

Throw your hands up to the sky
And scream out loud i'm free
'cause wrong is the new right
So we can cut loose tonight
It costs a lot to look this cheap

Fire makes it burn and water makes it turn
We must still be here living on earth
They keep telling me jesus walked on water
He shoulda surfed

In 1918 the great bambino
Kicked a piano into willis pond
But johnny damon swung a bat
Grand slam that was that
An 86 year curse is gone

Throw your hands up to the sky
And scream i'm not alone
Is it irony or fate
Don't become what you hate
We've all got stardust in our bones



Yes that 1 title..... was worth 86 titles.

[Todd13]

That's exactly how I would describe the sox championship.And what a great day it was!

[Todd13]

you know what great, 5 outta the yankee fielders were homegrown. And thats with Jeter not playing. Can the Red Soxs say that??The Yankees and Red Sox have split the last 98 games. What's your point?
Homegrown or not. Bottom line is putting the best team on the field you can.

[Tanner2126]

The Yankees and Red Sox have split the last 98 games. What's your point?
Homegrown or not. Bottom line is putting the best team on the field you can.

My point is, that the Yankees had more then half of the players in the field that were homegrown last night and won the game. I just hate that talk of buying a championship.

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

It's funny the re-tread of hater comments on both sides of this rivalry. MLB is doing a good job shoving this rivalry down our throats like the way they ruined the 'hated' subway series....

I don't know but this rivalry, if it's not in October, is useless to me...

[SmartassBoiler]

I've never seen so many people argue and cry about regular season games before.

[ToightLikeATiger]

It's funny the re-tread of hater comments on both sides of this rivalry. MLB is doing a good job shoving this rivalry down our throats like the way they ruined the 'hated' subway series....

I don't know but this rivalry, if it's not in October, is useless to me...

i agree 100% with you.... i didnt even watch the game last night. there have been what 8 games between the 2 teams? i think i watch 3 of them.

its not a series i just have to watch anymore. too many games between the 2. and they really dont mean all that much.

later in the year when something is on the line it will get more interesting.

plus now with the different players each team has the rivalry isnt the same. The guys that were part of the rivalry from 99-04 mostly arent with the team anymore. these newer guys didnt go through the hated times of yanks and sox

[Mark Weber]

Yes that 1 title..... was worth 86 titles.

There's a colossal sadness in that statement that evokes pity.

[robertbee]

My point is, that the Yankees had more then half of the players in the field that were homegrown last night and won the game. I just hate that talk of buying a championship.
Tanner2126


They were on the field due to injury. Do you really think they would be there if Matsui, Sheff were healthy? They had no choice but to go to the farm and bring them up.

[robertbee]

There's a colossal sadness in that statement that evokes pity.
Mark Weber


Please don't pity us. We have never been born with a SILVER SPOON in out mouth. I can see how you can look down on us and pity us with your arrogance. Most Yankee fans have always had that since they have Daddy Warbucks to buy you all the goodies. I would define pitful as being 3 outs away from sweeping a divisoinal rivialry and giving life to a beaten team and then watching them celebrate in the house that Ruth built and going on to make histroy as the first team to ever accomplished that.
know the is pity. ;)

[Mark Weber]

I love it when Boston fans cry poor with baseball's second highest payroll. If there was a salary cap in baseball do you think Johnny Damon would have ever left Kansas City? Would Manny ever have left Cleveland? With a cap (that I'm strongly in favor of) players would stay or go based on the city and the organization, and the history of players choosing to leave Boston (or being traded away before they bolt) is pretty sobering. Like I said (Yaz notwithstanding) Boston is rest stop, not a destination.

Sure the Yanks choked in 2004, and Boston went on one of the most dominant postseason runs in recent history. It hurt like hell at the time, and still stings a little. But saying that one title every 86 years is enough is a pitiful mentality for any team.

Be careful about clinging to the "we beat you last" stuff, the "no titles since 2000" and the "we won a more recent championship" mantra because the next Yankee championship wipes all three arguments away.

[robertbee]

So Mark. Your dont beleive that the Yankees don't drive up the market in baseball? To compete on their level of course your payroll will be high. That is why they have been ruining baseball since the reckless spending. Other teams have to compete. I figured you of all people would understand that. The reason why the SOx are 2nd is because the Yankees are in thier division. its simple economics. And that is why they always finsih 2nd in the division and why is Toronto's payroll high? So they can compete in the division that the Yankees have set the bar at. To say the Sox have the 2nd payroll is a weak arguement since the Yankees are the ones in the drivers seat.

Your thoughts please.


. But saying that one title every 86 years is enough is a pitiful mentality for any team.


I never said that and I dont think anyone would say 1 is enough. 1 made up for not having a championship in 86 years. It was worth it to get Yankee fans off our backs for once and let them have a taste of what we have had for so long. Yes that 1 championship was worth more than you could understand since you have had the silver spoon jammed down your throat all these years. Now that it has some rust on it it doesnt taste so good. :)

Spending over 1 billion dollars in a half decade and having no championship this decade or century is pitiful. :p

Got to get going to work. Have a good night. Its going to be the night of thunder and lightning better know as Manny and Papi!

[Todd13]

I've never seen so many people argue and cry about regular season games before.Some people will never understand. What fun is it, If your going to wait till October? Maybe your not a real big baseball fan. I don't know.

[Todd13]

I love it when Boston fans cry poor with baseball's second highest payroll. If there was a salary cap in baseball do you think Johnny Damon would have ever left Kansas City? Would Manny ever have left Cleveland? With a cap (that I'm strongly in favor of) players would stay or go based on the city and the organization, and the history of players choosing to leave Boston (or being traded away before they bolt) is pretty sobering. Like I said (Yaz notwithstanding) Boston is rest stop, not a destination.

Sure the Yanks choked in 2004, and Boston went on one of the most dominant postseason runs in recent history. It hurt like hell at the time, and still stings a little. But saying that one title every 86 years is enough is a pitiful mentality for any team.

Be careful about clinging to the "we beat you last" stuff, the "no titles since 2000" and the "we won a more recent championship" mantra because the next Yankee championship wipes all three arguments away.Unless the Red Sox win another first.

[Mark Weber]

I never said that and I dont think anyone would say 1 is enough. 1 made up for not having a championship in 86 years. It was worth it to get Yankee fans off our backs for once and let them have a taste of what we have had for so long. Yes that 1 championship was worth more than you could understand since you have had the silver spoon jammed down your throat all these years. Now that it has some rust on it it doesnt taste so good. :) Spending over 1 billion dollars in a half decade and having no championship this decade or century is pitiful. Got to get going to work. Have a good night. Its going to be the night of thunder and lightning better know as Manny and Papi!

I've never disputed that the economics of baseball are wrecked and that the Yankees' decision to sepnd money gives them a serious advantage over all other clubs. (richest MLB owner by FAR is MInnesota's Carl Pohlad, but that's a different point) I'm absolutely in favor of a salary cap in baseball, but without one I've always acknowledged the competitive advantage the Yankees have since they bring in such tremendous revenue and the owner is content to turn that around into the product on the field. I'm willing to bet less people are offended by me acknowledging New York's competitive fiscal advantage than are by you crying poor with baseball's highest ticket prices, second-largest payroll, and your best players coming almost exclsuively from free agency or lopsided cash-dump trades.

If one title made up for an 86-year drought I think that's sad. I can understand it from a recent perspective, especially since you came back from the brink to take down your greatest historical rival then sweep a widely respected team in the World Series. But if the title-less years start to mount again for the Sawx (particularly if the Yankees win more titles in the interim) how long will it take for the 2004 Championship to seem like a long time ago?? If it's another 86 years is that cool?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Neither the YANKS or the SAWX will win it all this year.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Do Yankee players even have strike zones? I mean, why even try to pitch to them?

[Tanner2126]

They were on the field due to injury. Do you really think they would be there if Matsui, Sheff were healthy? They had no choice but to go to the farm and bring them up.

They were on the field right???? Do you really think Sheffield is coming back next year to play the outfield?? Do you think Giambi is ever gonna be the full time 1st baseman again???

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Wow, what a play by Melky Cabrera, this guy is impressive.

[Tanner2126]

Tonight, 6 of the 9 starters in the field were homegrown and Jeter still didnt play!! :eek: IM LOVING ITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SkoalStangGT]

Neither the YANKS or the SAWX will win it all this year.


funny thing is, i kind of believe that. Every year we go at it and almost always the Yanks don't make and the Sox don't. I know, 04 and nothing since 2000, but we ***** and cry for nothing. There are some great teams out there now. It great to have this in sports and no Yankee or Sox fan will ever agree, but it is sad to see this crap on here sometimes. Sox Rule! Yankees are awesome! Wait till Oct!!!! :rolleyes:


Great game tonight! Melky had a wicked catch.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

The dynasty in baseball is dead, just look at the last 6 years or so. GO BASEBALL! GO PARITY!

[Tanner2126]

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060607/i/r3094251459.jpg


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[Mavrik28]

Wow, what a play by Melky Cabrera, this guy is impressive.

But I thought all the Yankees farmhands were crap.

Melky makes me happy.

EDIT: Watching El Leche play well makes me happy.

[Tanner2126]

Melky makes me happy.

Thats a little wierd.....

[Vinnie4]

Did you see the look on Manny's face when he realized Melky stole his home run? Now that was priceless.

[SmartassBoiler]

Some people will never understand. What fun is it, If your going to wait till October? Maybe your not a real big baseball fan. I don't know.

I am a big baseball fan, I understand there's a huge rivalry here, and I understand that the rivalry games are more exciting than your standard matchup. I'm watching the Sox/Tigers game while I work tonight, and there's no way I'd care if Detroit wasn't doing so well this year. However, there's so much complaining back and forth between the fans of these two teams about simple regular season games.

[Tanner2126]

Did you see the look on Manny's face when he realized Melky stole his home run? Now that was priceless.\

Manny told Melky, he has to let that go out because he's trying to win the game. Thats coming from Melkys interview.

[Todd13]

Did you see the look on Manny's face when he realized Melky stole his home run? Now that was priceless.I knew you'd love that.

[SkoalStangGT]

Did you see the look on Manny's face when he realized Melky stole his home run? Now that was priceless.


Did you see Johnny Damon pump his fist? that was funny:)
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/06/06/1149646492_5370.jpg

[SkoalStangGT]

Did you see the look on Manny's face when he realized Melky stole his home run? Now that was priceless.


you mean this look? :D
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/06/06/1149647051_8645.jpg
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/06/06/1149648639_2980.jpg
Manny Ramirez gestured toward Melky Cabrera after being robbed of a home run.

[Vinnie4]

That's the look. He was around second base when he realized. Damon was funny, I guess he figured the umps needed a little help. I jumped up off my couch when Melky caught that.

Pauley pitched a very good game for it being his second MLB start. I like the nail bitiers much better than the blow outs. Although it was nice to see the Yankees get a little redemption against Beckett. Any of you Sox fans interested in a Beckett auto'd card from his rookie year?

[SkoalStangGT]

That's the look. He was around second base when he realized. Damon was funny, I guess he figured the umps needed a little help. I jumped up off my couch when Melky caught that.

Pauley pitched a very good game for it being his second MLB start. I like the nail bitiers much better than the blow outs. Although it was nice to see the Yankees get a little redemption against Beckett. Any of you Sox fans interested in a Beckett auto'd card from his rookie year?


I'll take the autograph card:) consider it a wedding gift for me...the big day is this Saturday! Same lovely ladie that surprised me with two tickets to Fenway on the Green Monster:)

Anyways, back on topic...I was thinking about Pauley when he left in the 7th...Man...to be 22 and be called up from Portland to pitch his second game in the Bigs against the Yankees in the house that Ruth built...that would be wicked awesome!

[Therman Merman]

Kudos to Pauley. I didn't figure he would make it past the 4th tonight, considering he didn't look so hot against the Jays, but what a great job by the kid tonight.

Amazing catch by Melky, and a great game all the way around. Now if we can smack big mouth around tommorrow night like we did Beckett on Monday, I won't care what happens on Thursday.

Go Yankees!

[SkoalStangGT]

Kudos to Pauley. I didn't figure he would make it past the 4th tonight, considering he didn't look so hot against the Jays, but what a great job by the kid tonight.

Amazing catch by Melky, and a great game all the way around. Now if we can smack big mouth around tommorrow night like we did Beckett on Monday, I won't care what happens on Thursday.

Go Yankees!


big mouth??? You mean Millar?? He plays for the Orioles...LOL;)

[GoNiners]

I severely dislike Manny Ramirez since he is on the Red Sox but I got a laugh at what he said while passing Melky and I loved his reply to what Manny said. It went somthing like...

Manny: You should let that ball go out.

Melky: Im trying to win.

[GoNiners]

Neither the YANKS or the SAWX will win it all this year.

LOL

And it wouldnt surprise me. Both teams seem more concentrated on beating the crap out of eachother then beating the rest of the teams too. I mean every move made by both teams is more to try and one up the other team.

[robertbee]

If one title made up for an 86-year drought I think that's sad. I can understand it from a recent perspective, especially since you came back from the brink to take down your greatest historical rival then sweep a widely respected team in the World Series. But if the title-less years start to mount again for the Sawx (particularly if the Yankees win more titles in the interim) how long will it take for the 2004 Championship to seem like a long time ago?? If it's another 86 years is that cool?
Mark Weber


1 title didnt make up for 86 years what it did was set Red Sox nation free from having Yankee fans stick out noses in the dirt over and over again. I have never heard the 1918 chant at Fenways since the Sox have one. To see Yankee fans gloat at Fenway Park chanting that every time they came in to Fenway was just sickening.
How long will it seem like 2004 to seem like a long time ago? There has been only 1 world series championship since then. Seems like yesterday. That Championship will forever be branded in all Red Sox fans and I would have to say all Yankees fans for the rest of our lives. It was more than Winnning A Championship. It was the Greatest Championship in Boston history. I have seen a few Celtics Championship, Patriots and they will always be special but the Sox finally doing it will forever be the "ONE" that had more meaning than all 26 the Yankees have had. It was earned the hard way and it was long over due. I wouldn't trade the Red Sox history for anyone elses. Growing up pretending to be Fred Lynn, Yaz, Fisk, Rice, Tiant, Bill Lee, Scott, Clemens, ect. Those were some good times even though we didn't win anything we came close. Always hopeing alway wishing. And finally getting over the hump. I wish every sports fan can relate to that. Maybe one day the Cubs fans will have that feeling. I think it makes you appreciate it more. It makes it that much special. White Sox fans got a taste of it last year. Its a great great feeling and gives you pride.

Since we got new ownership they have come in and changed this organization around. They said they were going to have a healthy farm system and they do. They keep bringing up the kids and they had a good draft yesterday. They have been able to compete with Yankees money and in ways think outside the box to bring in revenue.
These guys are in it for the long haul. They will be compettive for years to come. They are smart bussiness men and I dont see them folding over anytime soon. The 2004 Championship will never seem too long ago even when we go onto win a couple of more



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Not a bad outting for the kid. A pretty good game spun by both pitchers.
Now would Matsui have made that catch to rob Manny? I HIGHLY doubt it neverless it was a nice play and probably the biggest play of the night. All we can do is walk away with out heads high. Pauley pitched a hell of a game. It can only help his confidence. Interesting to see Hansen called up. And Lester is slated to pitch Saturday. We could be seeing the future of Red Sox pitchers well before the All Star game. Lets hope its a prospurous future with alot of promise.

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No game tonight. Rained out. No make-up date has been announced yet.