**VANCOUVER CANUCKS THREAD 07-08**B.Richards rumours swirling a possible trade here.

[madchild1978]

thank you OLK!!!:)

[OilyLeafKing]

That sucks. Oh well.

I think what sucks more is there's no Hockey fans down there.

You know you guys have been good sports during the Canucks-Ducks series, but comments like that are totally uncalled for. :mad: Yes, hockey is not the #1 sport here in SoCal, but there's strong support and following for both teams. Maybe I'm an exception cause I'm Canadian and I support both local teams, but you can't make a statement like that without anything to back it up. Every playoff game here in Anaheim has been sold out (I've been to four of them too); the same can't be said for other American arenas like Detroit, Dallas and New Jersey. And over the years I've met a lot of dedicated fans of both the Ducks and Kings.

And yes, I've been to Vancouver and know what a hockey-crazy city it is. I had the pleasure of attending two Canucks games a few years back and had a blast. :) There were actually three Canucks home games the week I was there and I remember an American colleague of mine was surprised at how popular the game is in Vancouver (the game was on every TV in our restaurant that evening).

[OilyLeafKing]

thank you OLK!!!:)

Meant every word of it. Take care, man. :)

I might faint if I see Ryan Smyth put on a Vancouver jersey... but hey I survived him in an Isles jersey a few months ago! ;)

[vicnsand]

I haven't had a chance to post here since the end of the series... Your team exceeded expectations and beat a tough Dallas team. Ohlund got me 7 points in my pool too! ;)

Like I said in a previous post... you guys have a good nucleus. A finisher like Drury, Briere or Ryan Smyth would be huge for your team next year. And word is that Smyth would love to come back to Western Canada -- Calgary or Vancouver!

Your goalie played great and should win at least one major trophy after the playoffs are over. Tough break on that last goal, but he should've been keeping his eyes on the puck not a perceived elbowing penalty... I'm sure Luongo will be thinking about that play long and hard during the summer.

Congrats on a great season! :)

I've said for years that I'd love to see Ryan Smyth in a Canucks jersey. He is EXACTLY the type of player that the Canucks need - skilled, able to go to the front of the net, unquestionable work ethic.

As for Luongo, I hope he doesn't think too long and hard about that final play. The bottom line is that he didn't lose that game or series for the Canucks. The team in front of him did a fine enough job of that.

[99gretz99]

It was a good seaon. THe Luongo SP is gonna be a must have.

[wgsgecko]

I was talking with another sp collector and he mentioned he had heard that the Luongo Variant was going to be in an All Star Jersey? I don't thnk so but he seem to have great faith in his contact that worked at a digital gaming company? Anyone else hear that? MARK?

[nucksfan]

I doubt it, would be cool, but I doubt it

[madchild1978]

wont happen. Having Luongo in the allstar jersey he would need the slimmer cut and different collar from the jersey he is made in.

[wgsgecko]

wont happen. Having Luongo in the allstar jersey he would need the slimmer cut and different collar from the jersey he is made in.

that was my thought.

[madchild1978]

anxiously awaiting the arrival of my recent purchase from Meigray!!! :) :) :)

[PrimeBane]

I see the Canucks have released their playoff team photo...

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b135/mowthecat/Canucks_2007_Playoff_Team.jpg

;)

[Poeschek]

I see the Canucks have released their playoff team photo...


Yeah, it came a little after the Oilers released their playoff photo..

http://www.priceofpeace.co.uk/Images/golfing.jpg

:D

;)

[madchild1978]

LOL at the above two posts.....both true!

[JOGADOGGZ]

Scotty what did you purchse from them? i'm still waiting for my Luongo Vintage GU from them too.

[madchild1978]

The 06-07 Henrik home jersey....probably buying the Daniel next week.

[madchild1978]

recieved the Henrik in the mail today:)


purchased the Daniel about an hour afterwards. What a cool feeling getting a item that was used by the athlete in a real game...much better than any feeling I have gotten from buying/finding an SP. I do believe my SP $$$ will be seriously cut back now, game used stuff is where its at!!!

[Poeschek]

Ryan Kesler resigns for 3 years.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=208727&hubname=

[madchild1978]

Price was too high for him I am afraid.

[JOGADOGGZ]

recieved the Henrik in the mail today:)


purchased the Daniel about an hour afterwards. What a cool feeling getting a item that was used by the athlete in a real game...much better than any feeling I have gotten from buying/finding an SP. I do believe my SP $$$ will be seriously cut back now, game used stuff is where its at!!!


which jersey did you order? is the Playoff set or Regular season set?

I haven't received my Luongo vintage Playoff set 3 yet....

[JOGADOGGZ]

Ryan Kesler resigns for 3 years.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=208727&hubname=

Way too high for a plumber like Kesler, but we did sure miss his game in the playoffs on the penalty kill.

I guess Nonis wants to keep his speedy forwards around.

[madchild1978]

Both the Henrik and Daniel are the regular season jerseys Joe.

[JOGADOGGZ]

go Giants!!!

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

at least Kesler took a paycut. you don't see that very often.

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

go Giants!!!
no doubt!! i just scored tickets to Sunday's Memorial Cup Final:D
Go Giants Go!

[Shooto]

Way too high for a plumber like Kesler, but we did sure miss his game in the playoffs on the penalty kill.

I guess Nonis wants to keep his speedy forwards around.

I think with the way the CBA is set up it's the minimum that Nonis can offer him b/c of the offer sheet he signed last year.

[madchild1978]

Shooto, you are correct...but to pay him that over 3 years? Nonis had a brain fart.

[nucksfan]

Not if he explodes for 20-25 goals per year, which may be a little far fetched, but AV likes the way Kess hustles, so if he starts to pop a few goals, he'll get more ice time. 1.75 is not too bad for a 20 goal scorer, now I realize that this is speculation at this point, and he could only score 8-12 goals, but it's a possibility

[srv2miker]

There is something about first round picks that makes GMs hang on and hang on even when it's clear the player will never reach their potential. Guys like Boyd Devereaux, Dan Cleary, David Legwand, Rico Fata etc. all had outstanding Jr. careers, but never produced like they did in the CHL. But, somehow, they stuck in the league despite their poor performances, some by changing their game, some by GMs simply holding out hope that they could be the one to unlock that potential. I get the feeling Nonis has this same feeling about Kesler.

[vicnsand]

There is something about first round picks that makes GMs hang on and hang on even when it's clear the player will never reach their potential. Guys like Boyd Devereaux, Dan Cleary, David Legwand, Rico Fata etc. all had outstanding Jr. careers, but never produced like they did in the CHL. But, somehow, they stuck in the league despite their poor performances, some by changing their game, some by GMs simply holding out hope that they could be the one to unlock that potential. I get the feeling Nonis has this same feeling about Kesler.

Time will tell regarding Kesler; he's still very young.

Incidentally, one of the guys you mentioned -- David Legwand -- blossomed a little more this year, getting 27G, 36 A and a +23. Probably not enough to be drafted first overall but Legwand is still relatively young at 26. Sometimes ya gotta hang on to the first rounders a little longer than usual.

[madchild1978]

Chris and srv2miker, I agree with you both. I mean, Kesler has done NOTHING to earn that $$$, and with a guy like Matt Cooke only getting 1.25 mil a year, it urks me a bit that they gave him this much on a 3 year deal. It would have made much more sense to sign him to a 1 year deal with a team option for a 2nd, just to see if he can turn into something, but to dump all that $$$ on him when he has proven that he has good hustle and can be dcent on the PK.....big mistake!

[JOGADOGGZ]

Chris and srv2miker, I agree with you both. I mean, Kesler has done NOTHING to earn that $$$, and with a guy like Matt Cooke only getting 1.25 mil a year, it urks me a bit that they gave him this much on a 3 year deal. It would have made much more sense to sign him to a 1 year deal with a team option for a 2nd, just to see if he can turn into something, but to dump all that $$$ on him when he has proven that he has good hustle and can be dcent on the PK.....big mistake!


Maybe Nonis see's some potential in Kesler and could be a 20-25 goal man in up coming years and wants to lock him in just in case his stock rises and wants more money. at least were not paying him 2-4 million. Look at Naslund 6 million still eating at the cap and he's on his way down.

[Poeschek]

To be fair to the guy, I believe Kesler took the maximum pay cut he could under the CBA. Any lower and it wouldn't have been considered a qualifying offer and he could have left as an UFA.

[nucksfan]

Exactly

To be fair to the guy, I believe Kesler took the maximum pay cut he could under the CBA. Any lower and it wouldn't have been considered a qualifying offer and he could have left as an UFA.

[srv2miker]

To be fair to the guy, I believe Kesler took the maximum pay cut he could under the CBA. Any lower and it wouldn't have been considered a qualifying offer and he could have left as an UFA.

Yeah, but in the salary cap era that might not be the worst thing, as you could turn around and use his 1.7 million on player who might produce more on the scoresheet. He walks as an FA and you use that cash to sign a scorer, and replace Kesler's grinding role with the likes of Rick Rypien, or replace his speed with Mason Raymonds. It's about choices.

[Poeschek]

Yeah, but in the salary cap era that might not be the worst thing, as you could turn around and use his 1.7 million on player who might produce more on the scoresheet. He walks as an FA and you use that cash to sign a scorer, and replace Kesler's grinding role with the likes of Rick Rypien, or replace his speed with Mason Raymonds. It's about choices.

Yeah, fair enough. It has to be tough for Nonis to basically give up on a guy who's 22 years old though. I know he'll never be a superstar, but I see his career potential to be something like a Mike Fisher type, gritty, tons of hustle and decent (but not great) hands. His mentor on the team is Trevor Linden, if he can bring the same sort of leadership and intangibles, I'll be happy.

Plus, knowing the Canucks luck, he'd leave as a UFA and score 30 goals next season. :)

[nucksfan]

How many times have the Canucks given up on a 1st rounder too soon, only to see him blossom somewhere else. In this day and age, you have to hang onto the young kids and try and develop them and that's what I think Nonis is thinking with Kes, however if by year 3 he is still scoring 11 goals a year, they trade him.

[srv2miker]

How many times have the Canucks given up on a 1st rounder too soon, only to see him blossom somewhere else. In this day and age, you have to hang onto the young kids and try and develop them and that's what I think Nonis is thinking with Kes, however if by year 3 he is still scoring 11 goals a year, they trade him.

I can only think of a couple of 1st rounders that we've traded, only to regret it later:

1978:: Bill Derlago (traded for Tiger Williams, and never really reached potential)
1979: Rick Vaive (traded for Tiger Williams)
1983: Cam Neely (traded for Barry Pederson)

But, this could be a function of the Canucks terrible draft performance. Wanna feel sick? Here are the first round picks from the past 10 years:

1996: Josh Holden @ 12 (still left in 1st round: Derek Morris, Dainius Zubrus, Daniel Briere)
1997: Brad Ference @ 10 (still left in 1st round: Marian Hossa, Scott Hannan, Brenden Morrow)
1998: Bryan Allen @ 4 (still left: Robyn Regher, Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne)
1999: Daniel Sedin @ 2 (still left: Martin Havlat)
2000: Nathan Smith @ 23 (still left: Brad Boyes, Justin Williams, Niklas Kronwall)
2001: RJ Umberger @ 16 (still left: Tim Gleason)
2002: None
2003: Ryan Kesler @ 23 (still left: Mike Richards, Corey Perry)
2004: Cory Schnieder @ 26 (still left: no one better)
2005: Luc Bourdon @ 10 (still left: Anze Kopitar, probably too early to call)
2006: Michael Grabner @ 14 (too early to call)

[nucksfan]

No kidding, for a team that has never had a #1 overall pick, the Canucks on average have had the most # of top 5 picks in the NHL over the last 36 years (1970-2006) and the ammount of hall of famers, not just high quality players that they passed over is staggering to say the least, I wish I had the list on me, I read it in a book 2 or 3 weeks ago, unreal.

I can only think of a couple of 1st rounders that we've traded, only to regret it later:

1978:: Bill Derlago (traded for Tiger Williams, and never really reached potential)
1979: Rick Vaive (traded for Tiger Williams)
1983: Cam Neely (traded for Barry Pederson)

But, this could be a function of the Canucks terrible draft performance. Wanna feel sick? Here are the first round picks from the past 10 years:

1996: Josh Holden @ 12 (still left in 1st round: Derek Morris, Dainius Zubrus, Daniel Briere)
1997: Brad Ference @ 10 (still left in 1st round: Marian Hossa, Scott Hannan, Brenden Morrow)
1998: Bryan Allen @ 4 (still left: Robyn Regher, Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne)
1999: Daniel Sedin @ 2 (still left: Martin Havlat)
2000: Nathan Smith @ 23 (still left: Brad Boyes, Justin Williams, Niklas Kronwall)
2001: RJ Umberger @ 16 (still left: Tim Gleason)
2002: None
2003: Ryan Kesler @ 23 (still left: Mike Richards, Corey Perry)
2004: Cory Schnieder @ 26 (still left: no one better)
2005: Luc Bourdon @ 10 (still left: Anze Kopitar, probably too early to call)
2006: Michael Grabner @ 14 (too early to call)

[madchild1978]

To be fair to the guy, I believe Kesler took the maximum pay cut he could under the CBA. Any lower and it wouldn't have been considered a qualifying offer and he could have left as an UFA.



Ya, I knew that, but it still doesnt explain why Nonis would lock him up for 3 years, thats not part of the CBA. Like I said give him one year of the guaranteed money and a 2nd year team option, or a 2nd year at the same money if he produces.....or something. To commit that much money to a guy who hasnt shown much in 3 years is a WASTE! I honestly hope Kess proves me wrong but I am not holding my breath!

[madchild1978]

I think with Daniel and Henrik having the season they did this past year, it doesnt look so bad they were taken over Havlat.

[srv2miker]

I think with Daniel and Henrik having the season they did this past year, it doesnt look so bad they were taken over Havlat.

I'd agree there, so lets look at the line-up they could've had:

96: Briere
97: Hossa
98: Gagne
99: Daniel and Henrik
00: Kronwall
01: Gleason
03: Perry
04: Schneider
05: Kopitar
06: Grabner

That line-up right there would be the most potent offence in the NHL, and the Sedin's would probably be on the 3rd line. That's scary.

[Poeschek]

I can only think of a couple of 1st rounders that we've traded, only to regret it later:

1978:: Bill Derlago (traded for Tiger Williams, and never really reached potential)
1979: Rick Vaive (traded for Tiger Williams)
1983: Cam Neely (traded for Barry Pederson)

But, this could be a function of the Canucks terrible draft performance. Wanna feel sick? Here are the first round picks from the past 10 years:

1996: Josh Holden @ 12 (still left in 1st round: Derek Morris, Dainius Zubrus, Daniel Briere)
1997: Brad Ference @ 10 (still left in 1st round: Marian Hossa, Scott Hannan, Brenden Morrow)
1998: Bryan Allen @ 4 (still left: Robyn Regher, Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne)
1999: Daniel Sedin @ 2 (still left: Martin Havlat)
2000: Nathan Smith @ 23 (still left: Brad Boyes, Justin Williams, Niklas Kronwall)
2001: RJ Umberger @ 16 (still left: Tim Gleason)
2002: None
2003: Ryan Kesler @ 23 (still left: Mike Richards, Corey Perry)
2004: Cory Schnieder @ 26 (still left: no one better)
2005: Luc Bourdon @ 10 (still left: Anze Kopitar, probably too early to call)
2006: Michael Grabner @ 14 (too early to call)

If you really want to be sick, just think, in the 1990 draft we could have drafted both Jaromir Jagr and Martin Brodeur instead of Nedved and Antoski.

Ya, I knew that, but it still doesnt explain why Nonis would lock him up for 3 years, thats not part of the CBA. Like I said give him one year of the guaranteed money and a 2nd year team option, or a 2nd year at the same money if he produces.....or something. To commit that much money to a guy who hasnt shown much in 3 years is a WASTE! I honestly hope Kess proves me wrong but I am not holding my breath!

You can't have option years in the new CBA. In terms of long-term value, this was the best case scenario with Kesler. If they did the one-year route, if he actually does have a breakout year his agent would be looking for a raise next season.

[madchild1978]

You can't have option years in the new CBA. In terms of long-term value, this was the best case scenario with Kesler. If they did the one-year route, if he actually does have a breakout year his agent would be looking for a raise next season.



True, but on the same note we are now locked into a 3 year contract for what is a very important 1.75 mil a season in the salary cap era, to an unproven player. When it comes to crunch time on deadline day, that 1.75 mil could have been placed somewhere better in my opinion. Again, like I said earlier, I really hope Kess proves me wrong.:o

[nucksfan]

Anyone going to the Authentix sale on Sat or Sunday?? I want to go, but it's the wife's 30 B'day on Sat........don't know how well that'll fly, I wanna get a black flying V.

[madchild1978]

Chris, what size jersey are you?

[nucksfan]

48, or Large, not looking for a pro(fight strap and all that) , just authentic replica, also had my eye on the blue zip up Vintage sweater, says Canucks on the front, can post a pic if you like, but mostly after the black V to fill out the collection. Like I said, I'm gonna try nd make it, maybe on the Sunday if I can, but it's a bad weekend for me to go that far.

[madchild1978]

I dont know if I am gonna make it either, I just had a brand new black V jersey kickin around that I dont really have any attachment to, but it is a XXL.

[nucksfan]

XXL is a little too big, bit thanks anyways

[madchild1978]

no prob man.

[Shooto]

But, this could be a function of the Canucks terrible draft performance. Wanna feel sick? Here are the first round picks from the past 10 years:

1996: Josh Holden @ 12 (still left in 1st round: Derek Morris, Dainius Zubrus, Daniel Briere)
1997: Brad Ference @ 10 (still left in 1st round: Marian Hossa, Scott Hannan, Brenden Morrow)
1998: Bryan Allen @ 4 (still left: Robyn Regher, Alex Tanguay, Simon Gagne)
1999: Daniel Sedin @ 2 (still left: Martin Havlat)
2000: Nathan Smith @ 23 (still left: Brad Boyes, Justin Williams, Niklas Kronwall)
2001: RJ Umberger @ 16 (still left: Tim Gleason)
2002: None
2003: Ryan Kesler @ 23 (still left: Mike Richards, Corey Perry)
2004: Cory Schnieder @ 26 (still left: no one better)
2005: Luc Bourdon @ 10 (still left: Anze Kopitar, probably too early to call)
2006: Michael Grabner @ 14 (too early to call)

You guys make it sound like we're crap at drafting. Just remember there were other teams that passed on those guys as well.

Also who's to say if any of those guys would have developed well under the coaching and systems we had in place at the time.

There are too many intangibles at play to make a first round pick a sure thing.

[madchild1978]

um, we are crap at drafting. Libor Polasek, Shawn Antoski...need I go on?

[nucksfan]

No Really, the canucks have the worst drafting record in the NHL, seriously, we draft more busts than any other team, that's a fact, not speculation. Plain and simple, we have never had a GM that can draft, Pat Quinn in 88 maybe was the only good year with Linden and Bure, untill Nonis took over, here's hoping he can right the ship, or find the ship for that matter.

You guys make it sound like we're crap at drafting. Just remember there were other teams that passed on those guys as well.

Also who's to say if any of those guys would have developed well under the coaching and systems we had in place at the time.

There are too many intangibles at play to make a first round pick a sure thing.

[Shooto]

Drafting is half the battle. I don't think a lot of those players would have developed nearly as well under the coaches we had in place.

[srv2miker]

Drafting is half the battle. I don't think a lot of those players would have developed nearly as well under the coaches we had in place.

So we suck at drafting and coaching. It's a wonder our players don't get on the ice and start playing hackey sack every game. :p

Nonis's staff has been much better the last few drafts at finding hidden Euro talent. Where Burke tried to fish in the NCAA ranks (to little success besides Bieksa), Nonis has leaned on the Euro leagues, and we have what looks to be some legitimate talent coming from there. Here are some names to watch out for:

- Daniel Rahimi (will be a hard rock on the blueline in 2 years)
- Sergei Shirokov (34 pts in 52 game in the Russian Super League, playing against men! Keep in mind, in the super league they only award 1 assist per goal, and it has to actually lead to the goal. Pretty impressive stuff.)
- Juraj Simek (played very well for Brandon in the Dub)

He also had a good find in Mason Raymond (was playing in Alberta Jr. A to maintain college eligability, and he's already playing with the Moose). The new scouting staff could be turning our draft fortunes.

[Poeschek]

Actually, I saw a stat last season where they showed that the Canucks organization actually had one of the higher numbers of players they had drafted playing in the NHL. Problem is that many of them are playing with other teams. Throughout the 90s, the Canucks 1st round drafting (with the notable exception of Ohlund) was abysmal, which is where a team expects to get it's cornerstone players. There was essential a decade where they didn't bring any elite players into the organization through the draft.

What they did draft was a ton of checker/grinder types. Of players still active drafted by the Canucks in the 1990s, there's:
Petr Nedved
Jassen Cullimore
Mike Peca
Adrian Aucoin
Scott Walker
Mattias Ohlund
Dave Scatchard
Tyson Nash
Peter Schaefer
Matt Cooke
Bryan Allen
Jarkko Ruutu
Henrik Sedin
Daniel Sedin

Some pretty decent players on that list, although many no longer play with the organization.

Historically, the Canucks have never been a good drafting team but have been a pretty good trading team since the early 90s. Garth Butcher and Dan Quinn for Geoff Courtnall, Cliff Ronning, Robert Dirk and Sergio Momesso. Alek Stojanov for Markus Naslund. Trevor Linden for Todd Bertuzzi and Bryan McCabe. Bertuzzi, Allen and Auld for Luongo and Krajicek. Problem with going the trade route is that it's not predictable. It must be nice to be one of those organizations like New Jersey that seems to have a conveyor belt of talent. It seems like there are always young prospects ready to take over when their other players age.

[madchild1978]

Exactly, those players they drafted are not bad, but not the franchise player you need to be getting with a high 1st round pick. And really, out of that list only the Sedins, Ohlund and maybe Bryan Allen deserve to be a high 1st rounder, the rest are pluggers/grinders or 3rd line players.

[madchild1978]

Nice to see the Canucks re-up on Pyatt today. 2 years for 3 mil....I like that deal. He produced last year and is only 25 years old. the only complaint I have about him is he seems to play well for 3 or 4 games in a row, then takes a couple off...if he can pick that up, he is a nice signing!

[nucksfan]

Good for Pyatt, hopefully the Sedins can build up some chemistry with a line mate for more than 1 season.

[Pluto]

Good deal for both sides. lad to have Pyatt.

As for the drafting... I don't think Hossa would have performed in Vancouver. Briere and Gagne probably would have considering our roster at that time.

[vicnsand]

Well, I'll be....Anahein won. It's weird how many times in recent memory the Canucks have been knocked out of the playoffs by the eventual cup champions.

[srv2miker]

Well, I'll be....Anahein won. It's weird how many times in recent memory the Canucks have been knocked out of the playoffs by the eventual cup champions.

I was just thinking the same thing the other day, that if Anaheim won it would continue and odd pattern.

[Dauntless]

Oh yeah, that was today. Oooops..

[srv2miker]

Not Canucks related, but the Panthers signed Bryan Allen to a 5 year extension today. I guess they have to have something to show for the Luongo deal :)

For the record, Allen had 25 points and 112 PIMS last season. Bieksa had 42 pts and 134 PIMS, Ohlund had 31 pts and 80 PIMS, Salo 37 pts and 26 PIMS. We also had Willie Mitchell in a shut-down role. So had Allen stayed with the 'Nucks he would've been slotted on the depth chart right above Lukas Krajicek in the #5 D-man slot.

The Luongo trade has got to go down as one of the most lop-sided in history.

[madchild1978]

Not Canucks related, but the Panthers signed Bryan Allen to a 5 year extension today. I guess they have to have something to show for the Luongo deal :)

For the record, Allen had 25 points and 112 PIMS last season. Bieksa had 42 pts and 134 PIMS, Ohlund had 31 pts and 80 PIMS, Salo 37 pts and 26 PIMS. We also had Willie Mitchell in a shut-down role. So had Allen stayed with the 'Nucks he would've been slotted on the depth chart right above Lukas Krajicek in the #5 D-man slot.

The Luongo trade has got to go down as one of the most lop-sided in history.

Very true, but man Allen sure would look great in our #5 slot :)

Still, to get Bobby Lou here...ya the trade is very lopsided!

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

ya, i like Bryan Allen. Good for him, though! Go Canucks Go!

[JOGADOGGZ]

Awards are tommorow night I'm hoping Lou takes the Vezina and Hart and AV takes the Jack Adams...that would be great for the franchise to cap off this year.

[inverno-76]

Good to see that other teams besides the Oilers make bad drafting decisions.

Without doing any research,

Steve Kelly @7 when we could have had hometown boy Doan @8
Jason Bosignore @ 4

[madchild1978]

Luongo wins something....AV doesnt since the only reason he had the record he did was because of #1. Not taking anything away from AV, but if he had Cloutier or Auld in the net, Vancouver wouldnt have been in the playoffs and barely been a .500 team.

[JOGADOGGZ]

AV wins Coach of the year, Luongo looses by 6 points to Brodeur in the Vezina and Crosby was the Runaway winner for Hart and Pearson...

[JOGADOGGZ]

Anyone hear about the rumours of Nonis trying to move up in the Draft to the top 5? Heard they were going to package this years 1st rounder,Schneider or Bourdon and a Veteran like Ohlund or Morrison to move up. I think its a load of BS like all the other rumours were but still interesting.

[Poeschek]

I don't see it happening, not much at the top worth giving up the sort of packages that had been rumored. Some good players this year, but by the sounds of it none of them look like sure-fire stars. I think Nonis has some moves planned, but they'll probably be player for player swaps. I'd be a little disappointed if they trade a package of players/prospects/picks like that just to move up in the draft, unless Nonis is clearing cap room because he thinks he has a good shot at landing one of the big-name UFAs.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Anyone here going to the Canucks event next Tuesday? its called the State of the Franchise event. A Canucks Family BBQ at GM place at 530pm then head inside to talk and ask questions to Chris Zimmerman and Dave Nonis..

[Shooto]

Isn't that season ticket holders only?

[madchild1978]

Anyone still have their email from Canucks inside edge regarding the equipment sale this weekend?

[madchild1978]

^^^ never mind, just got a new one today.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Yeah its a season ticketholders event...anyone in here a ticket holder??

[Shooto]

Jogadoggz,

Are you going the equipment sale tomorrow? Just wondering if it's worth it. I may be able to get in along with the season ticket holders @ 9am.

[JOGADOGGZ]

hmmmm i'm not going can't spend anymore money on stuff I don't need. I still owe Barry at Meigray for the Luongo GU vintage jersey.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Check out what i found on you tube Luongo's Draft day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L5s3nAC8QI

10 years later he's the phenom and franchise player they predicted he'd become.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Any thoughts over Nonis's transactions over the weekend? I thought Shannon was a pretty good pick up a shifty speedy forward that will help there team speed. Don't know too much about Sharrow though or there pick White. But i'm really anticipating this up coming week leading up to July 1.

[TheBreeze8700]

Went to the equitment sale this morning at 9, since im special and have seasons. They finally dropped the sticks to 50$!! it was sweeeeet

[JOGADOGGZ]

Went to the equitment sale this morning at 9, since im special and have seasons. They finally dropped the sticks to 50$!! it was sweeeeet

nice!! whose did you grab??

[srv2miker]

Any thoughts over Nonis's transactions over the weekend? I thought Shannon was a pretty good pick up a shifty speedy forward that will help there team speed. Don't know too much about Sharrow though or there pick White. But i'm really anticipating this up coming week leading up to July 1.

Here's the dirt on Sharrow (from Hockey Futures):

Talent Analysis

"If the second half of the 2004-05 season is any indication of his true skill set, Sharrow can be a very competent defenseman. He boasts respectable size, and has finally begun to use it, playing an increased physical game. He has great quickness and mobility in his own end, though he will occasionally lose his defensive assignments. His defensive zone coverage was much better last season than it was in years past.

Sharrow’s greatest strength is his offensive awareness. Boasting great foot speed and agility, as well as creative techniques with the puck, Sharrow is the kind of offensive defenseman that teams look for. He has a quick, hard wrist shot, and is a shoot-first, pass-later type of player. He is very confident with the puck, even deep in the offensive zone.

Defensive consistency, and offensive decision making have been problems with Sharrow in the past, though he finished his junior career with flying colors, putting some of those concerns to rest, at least for the time being. He is also prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times, and will have to improve his discipline if he is to make the next step to the professional game"

Here is Pat White's Profile http://hockeysfuture.com/prospects/pat_white

As for the Shannon trade, I'm drooling to think of what a line like Kesler, Shannon, and Hansen could do (provided a little position switching happened). That could be the fastest 1-2-3 punch in the league. It wouldn't generate a ton of offence, but they could forecheck like demons.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Sounds promising, I wonder why the team he was on before didn't see that and keep him.



Here's the dirt on Sharrow (from Hockey Futures):

Talent Analysis

"If the second half of the 2004-05 season is any indication of his true skill set, Sharrow can be a very competent defenseman. He boasts respectable size, and has finally begun to use it, playing an increased physical game. He has great quickness and mobility in his own end, though he will occasionally lose his defensive assignments. His defensive zone coverage was much better last season than it was in years past.

Sharrow’s greatest strength is his offensive awareness. Boasting great foot speed and agility, as well as creative techniques with the puck, Sharrow is the kind of offensive defenseman that teams look for. He has a quick, hard wrist shot, and is a shoot-first, pass-later type of player. He is very confident with the puck, even deep in the offensive zone.

Defensive consistency, and offensive decision making have been problems with Sharrow in the past, though he finished his junior career with flying colors, putting some of those concerns to rest, at least for the time being. He is also prone to taking stupid penalties at inopportune times, and will have to improve his discipline if he is to make the next step to the professional game"

Here is Pat White's Profile http://hockeysfuture.com/prospects/pat_white

As for the Shannon trade, I'm drooling to think of what a line like Kesler, Shannon, and Hansen could do (provided a little position switching happened). That could be the fastest 1-2-3 punch in the league. It wouldn't generate a ton of offence, but they could forecheck like demons.

[madchild1978]

I got Sedin sticks and Salos gloves from the sale.

[Shooto]

I should have shown up on time. Got in around 9:15 and most of the worthy sticks were gone. The only ones of note that I found were Sopel & Bulis.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Anyone here went to the State of the Franchise event? Pretty pointless if you ask me, next time i'll just get my food and go.

[PrimeBane]

Canucks new jerseys?

http://www.canucksandbeyond.com/index.php/CandB/comments/new_rbk_vancouver_canucks_uniforms

[Shooto]

Fake. I think they were made by a canucks.com board member.

I don't know why but the one on the right reminds me of the 80's version of Buck Rogers.

[Xar]

Jeff Cowan's back for another 2 years

[vicnsand]

Well Nonis has been pretty quiet since yesterday. I'm hoping there'll at least be a DECENT signing now that the blockbuster signings are pretty much done.

[flesh_gordon]

krajicek 2 year 2.2 mil

[vicnsand]

krajicek 2 year 2.2 mil

Nothing other than that, huh?

Well, here's to hoping he's looking to make a trade with Tampa . . . . *Lecavalier* . . .

[91_dnulasN]

With players who score 20 goals getting 4 million deals and "Stars" getting 4 year deals, Im quite happy that Dave is standing pat.

[Shooto]

Pyatt seems like a steal with these deals.

[marknuck311]

No kidding, we should be thankful we have a GM like Nonis that is smart.

$10M for 13 goal scorer Scott Gomez?
I don't care what 'intangibles' he may bring.

What a damn joke.

[Poeschek]

Bring on the Cup baby, Brad Isbister and Byron Ritchie are in the fold!! :rolleyes:

At least they have signed Cory Schneider to a deal. Give him a couple of years in the AHL to see what he can do, I've heard very good things from the scouting reports on him. Might be the replacement for Luongo in a few seasons if his contract demands are excessive...

[91_dnulasN]

Byron Ritchie is nice, Another Cowen to hit people and add the rare goal.

Brenda ****bister is a waste of space though, God help us and lets hope he's on a Two way.

[madchild1978]

I am a little taken back by the Krapjicek signing. How does that guy get a raise for being mediocre at best. Sorry guys, but I think Big Dave dropped the ball on UFA's again this year. I agree that the high dollar guys were too expensive and have deals that are all too long term, but why wouldnt Nonis take a flyer on a guy like Handzus or Nagy, I mean at least they can pot some goals.

I just think Nonis seems content with the goal production we had last year, and that is a bad thing. If we had any one or two players that even resembled an NHL sniper who knows what the Nucks would have done last year. As far as I am concerned, Nonis has sat on his hands while the rest of the Western Conference teams all got better....again. Bobby Lou cant do everything.

[Poeschek]

Nagy has zero heart and I'd be disappointed to see him in Vancouver. Handzus was expensive and signed a 4 year deal, plus he's a center. Not too sorry they missed out on those guys, same with Drury, Gomez, Briere, etc. All are good players, but they don't need to spend that sort of money on a free agent. They just need a stop-gap for one season, then Naslund, Morrison and Cooke's contracts are all up.

Personally, the guys that I'm sorry they missed out on are Viktor Kozlov and Michel Oulette. Both signed relatively cheaply and only for two years, so the risk would have been low. But it sounds like he's got something planned on the trade front. He hit a home-run last offseason, I'm inclined to give him time to get the roster ready for the season.

Krajicek, that just seems to be the nature of the beast in the league. He could have signed his one year QO and become a free agent, but to get an extra year of term, Nonis had to up the ante. With salaries rising all over the league, inflation is hitting even the lower-tier players. On the bright side, if they want to trade him he's more valuable with a two-year deal.

[JOGADOGGZ]

I"ve read and heard that the Canucks are talking to Guerin right now and there was a rumour that the Devils were trying to go after Morrison and Naslund and Elias's name was in the mix...who knows...I can see Guerin coming but why would Naslund waive his NTC to go to New Jersey I can't see anyone wanting to play over there. The UFA's once again is a joke as what marknuck311 said why would anyone pay Paul Kariya over 6 million same with Gomez and Drury. Those guys are laughing now, what does Gomez have to play for since he has 2 cups from NJ.

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

Kariya, Gomez, & Drury were all over paid IMO. Krajicek is still young. I think Nonis is doing a good job.

[madchild1978]

I agree the big name guys are overpaid. And even when Markus' 6 mil contract is gone next year, lets not forget Bieksa will be up for a new contract and should command Willie Mitchell money so there is 3.5 of that spent already.

Basically what it comes down to is that if the Canucks cant add some scoring they will unfortunatley go nowhere again. I for one am tired of the Canucks being so laid back and counting on players to "bounce back". Naslund has been on a decline since the Steve Moore hit, Morrison has a lingering hip issue that clearly still bothered him all year, Kesler gets 1.75 million to "bounce back from never bouncing at all".

Nonis has made the Luongo trade, and thats really the only good he has done for the team. Lets look at the bad...

signs Wienrich, Carney and Sean Brown at the deadline...CRAP
signs Bulis and Chouinard...CRAP
signs Brad Isbister...CRAP
gives Krajicek a raise after proving nothing...CRAP
signs Kesler to a 2 year, 1.75 mil per contract...CRAP

and the good...

signs Anson Carter
signs Taylor Pyatt
trades for Roberto Luongo
trades for Jeff Cowan (not huge, but it is on the good side of things)

[iknowkungfu]

I agree the big name guys are overpaid. And even when Markus' 6 mil contract is gone next year, lets not forget Bieksa will be up for a new contract and should command Willie Mitchell money so there is 3.5 of that spent already.

Basically what it comes down to is that if the Canucks cant add some scoring they will unfortunatley go nowhere again. I for one am tired of the Canucks being so laid back and counting on players to "bounce back". Naslund has been on a decline since the Steve Moore hit, Morrison has a lingering hip issue that clearly still bothered him all year, Kesler gets 1.75 million to "bounce back from never bouncing at all".

Nonis has made the Luongo trade, and thats really the only good he has done for the team. Lets look at the bad...

signs Wienrich, Carney and Sean Brown at the deadline...CRAP
signs Bulis and Chouinard...CRAP
signs Brad Isbister...CRAP
gives Krajicek a raise after proving nothing...CRAP
signs Kesler to a 2 year, 1.75 mil per contract...CRAP

and the good...

signs Anson Carter
signs Taylor Pyatt
trades for Roberto Luongo
trades for Jeff Cowan (not huge, but it is on the good side of things)

cowan was a waiver pick up not a trade
isbister hasn't had an opportunity to do anything in vancouver, time decides that, for example jan bulis, he could be the next anson carter or pyatt, i don't think he's ever played with players of the sedin's calibur
kraijcek got a raise because of the way he played in the playoffs and the fact he's still very very young (bourdon would be making 875k on his pro deal, kraijcek>bourdon at this point in time)
kesler deal was meeting in the middle of arbitration, arbitrator could have knocked him down to 1.6 and change IF arbitration occured and the canucks just ripped him apart and the arbitrator agreed with every word the brass said, which no one wants to do especially someone on your team, it's 150k of a possible 300k saved, it's not important
the deadline deals were to fill holes from injuries, he had no choice, he could only get whatever was on the table, deadline deals don't win you stanley cups, IE Anaheim who picked up brad may and traded away o'brien

please don't be one of those canucks fan i hate so so so much, no one seems to want to think from nonis's position, my guess is he's already got his sights on heatley for next season

[iknowkungfu]

Pyatt seems like a steal with these deals.

naslund's a good deal in comparison, kind of sad...

[madchild1978]

cowan was a waiver pick up not a trade
isbister hasn't had an opportunity to do anything in vancouver, time decides that, for example jan bulis, he could be the next anson carter or pyatt, i don't think he's ever played with players of the sedin's calibur
kraijcek got a raise because of the way he played in the playoffs and the fact he's still very very young (bourdon would be making 875k on his pro deal, kraijcek>bourdon at this point in time)
kesler deal was meeting in the middle of arbitration, arbitrator could have knocked him down to 1.6 and change IF arbitration occured and the canucks just ripped him apart and the arbitrator agreed with every word the brass said, which no one wants to do especially someone on your team, it's 150k of a possible 300k saved, it's not important
the deadline deals were to fill holes from injuries, he had no choice, he could only get whatever was on the table, deadline deals don't win you stanley cups, IE Anaheim who picked up brad may and traded away o'brien

please don't be one of those canucks fan i hate so so so much, no one seems to want to think from nonis's position, my guess is he's already got his sights on heatley for next season


I am NOT one of those Canucks fans, I bleed Canucks colours, but that being said I am allowed to have my opinion on what Nonis has accomplished here, and I think he has made some poor moves......more poor than positive anyways. Thats just how I haev seen this all play out over the past few seasons. As for the Isbister comment....lets be serious here. His best season was in 2000, and he has been between the NHL and AHL ever since.

[nucksfan]

I like what Nonis has done. Don't forget, Salo and Pyatt signed during the season and now with Cory signed, we finally have trade bait after Burke cleared out the store house a couple of years back. I am not high on Bourdon, I think he is not mentally tough enough, i think Ohlund has lost his spark, he's slow, doesn't hit anymore and doesn't go into the corners and is therefore moveable if he waves the NTC. I also agree with Pratt on the Team 1040, Next year is the year the canucks make the big splash, once Nazzy and Mo are off the books. Patience.

[madchild1978]

I like what Nonis has done. Don't forget, Salo and Pyatt signed during the season and now with Cory signed, we finally have trade bait after Burke cleared out the store house a couple of years back. I am not high on Bourdon, I think he is not mentally tough enough, i think Ohlund has lost his spark, he's slow, doesn't hit anymore and doesn't go into the corners and is therefore moveable if he waves the NTC. I also agree with Pratt on the Team 1040, Next year is the year the canucks make the big splash, once Nazzy and Mo are off the books. Patience.



I agree with your comments on Bourdon and Ohlund. I have never seen someone take such dumb penalties at the worst possible times like Ohlund has done since the new rules came into play...he needs to figure it out. I know patience is virtue but it stings when teams like Anaheim and Tampa are winning cups and have been around a fraction of the time the Nucks have, and we have had 2 sniffs of the cup, thats it. Just tired of being the team that almost could, but never has.

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

in the words of George Michaels........................ya gotta have faith,faith,faith.
now stay out of the boys washroom:D

[Poeschek]

Sounds like there's a lot of buzz around signing Bill Guerin, he'd be a pretty nice addition to the top 6. Put him with the Sedins and see what happens, if Anson Carter can pot 30 goals with them, Guerin should be able to as well. Then follow up with a Naslund - Morrison - Pyatt 2nd line? Might work...

Regardless, they need to add someone and they have the cap space to do it. The Forsberg rumors are intriguing too, Naslund playing with Forsberg would be fun to watch assuming Forsberg can stay healthy. Never been a fan of Forsberg after all those years of him playing against Vancouver, but if he could get Nazzy going, I'd be all for it.

[vicnsand]

Anything to add some scoring depth. It doesn't have to be as flashy a signing as Briere or the like was, but it definitely has to address the number of one-goal games the Canucks won last year, and the basic dependence that the team had on Luongo straight through to the second round.

[madchild1978]

Anything to add some scoring depth. It doesn't have to be as flashy a signing as Briere or the like was, but it definitely has to address the number of one-goal games the Canucks won last year, and the basic dependence that the team had on Luongo straight through to the second round.



That is what I am saying.....what Nonis has done this off-season to date has been mediocre. I dont expect a big, flashy signing cause of our cap situation, but just some scoring punch. To date, we havent gotten it and I dread to think that Nonis is just counting on Naslund and Morrison to "bounce back". If that is the case, I dont see this team succeeding much next season.:(

[Poeschek]

That is what I am saying.....what Nonis has done this off-season to date has been mediocre. I dont expect a big, flashy signing cause of our cap situation, but just some scoring punch. To date, we havent gotten it and I dread to think that Nonis is just counting on Naslund and Morrison to "bounce back". If that is the case, I dont see this team succeeding much next season.:(

Nonis has said a times that the team needs an upgrade offensively. I think he had a couple of FA targets, made offers to Kariya, inquired about Gomez and a few others. Once the prices for those guys got out of control, I think he's after Plan B of the FA market, guys like Guerin, Comrie, etc. If none of those plans works out, he can go the trade route, but I'd be shocked if he didn't add at least one legitimate top-6 forward before the start of the season.

[vicnsand]

Comrie sounds like a good addition. That guy has put up decent numbers on every team he's played for.

On a slightly related note, I do have some sympathy for Nonis. I think it'd be tough to tinker with the team at this point without also tinkering with parts of the core, ergo, team chemistry. I'd hate to go back to the days when Mike Keenan was GM and it was basically a player merry-go-round.

[iknowkungfu]

I am NOT one of those Canucks fans, I bleed Canucks colours, but that being said I am allowed to have my opinion on what Nonis has accomplished here, and I think he has made some poor moves......more poor than positive anyways. Thats just how I haev seen this all play out over the past few seasons. As for the Isbister comment....lets be serious here. His best season was in 2000, and he has been between the NHL and AHL ever since.

there have been less likely scenarios in the nhl

like players that went undrafted, or played through the ECHL

he's only getting paid league minimum so if he sits in the press box he's not eating cap space, he's not supposed to be a saviour, he's the 08 version of rory fitzpatrick

[iknowkungfu]

Comrie sounds like a good addition. That guy has put up decent numbers on every team he's played for.

On a slightly related note, I do have some sympathy for Nonis. I think it'd be tough to tinker with the team at this point without also tinkering with parts of the core, ergo, team chemistry. I'd hate to go back to the days when Mike Keenan was GM and it was basically a player merry-go-round.

i don't like comrie, he has no personality, no charisma, he's just a spoiled rich shell of a person

if any of you saw the post stanley cup interview with him you'd know what i'm talking about

i'd rather have guerin but he seems like he can be a real ******* at times

was it him that chopped some rookie in the neck or the head during training camp?

[madchild1978]

Also Guerin was the ring leader of the USA olympic team who trashed a couple hotel rooms in Salt Lake City. I think there is enough quality guys on this team that would prevent him from destroying the locker room but you never know.

[madchild1978]

This is a very long shot, but isnt Brendan Shanahan a free agent? Obviously the Canucks would have to make a trade in order to free up some cap space, but he would look nice in a Nucks uni for a season or 2.

[vicnsand]

If he'd even come. It's been stated that "there's nowhere else [he'd] rather play" than with the Rangers.

[91_dnulasN]

Transcript:

NONIS: Hey Paul, Dave Nonis here, how you Feeling?

KARIYA: Good Good, Hows Vancouver Dave?

N: Very Good, Great Weather, Interested in Coming home and Playing here, We were looking at a Two year deal in the 7 Mil range

K: Well Dave, Id Like to play there, But St. Louis just offered me 18 over 3.

N: Enjoy St Louis Paul *CLICK*

[Poeschek]

LOL, pretty much. As Burkie would said, I'll drive you to the airport myself...

Looks like Guerin is off to the Islanders, who in a desperation move have given him a 2 year/9 million dollar contract...At these prices, these other teams can have these guys.

[srv2miker]

Maybe Anson Carter will come crawling back. There's your scoring depth right there.

[vicnsand]

Strike off Comrie and Guerin.

[91_dnulasN]

At this rate Id be happy with Bulis at 1.5....

[madchild1978]

I cant believe the Islanders gave Guerin that kind of money. I mean I know the Isles have a track record of making poor decisions but thats ridiculous.


Here is something myself and some guys at work were talking about. If you could sign him to a 1 mil base salary with performance bonuses, would you take a one season whim and prayer on Yashin? I mean that guy is full of offensive talent, and maybe the bonuses would motivate him to play hard all year. If he didnt play hard, it would be no more of a waste than Chouinard was.

I would say go for it personally.

[iknowkungfu]

well he did score 30 something goals last year didn't he? despite the fact he's 36

i'm thinking, yashin, carter and lindros as budget upside players, or even peca

there's slim pickings now

[vicnsand]

I cant believe the Islanders gave Guerin that kind of money. I mean I know the Isles have a track record of making poor decisions but thats ridiculous.


Here is something myself and some guys at work were talking about. If you could sign him to a 1 mil base salary with performance bonuses, would you take a one season whim and prayer on Yashin? I mean that guy is full of offensive talent, and maybe the bonuses would motivate him to play hard all year. If he didnt play hard, it would be no more of a waste than Chouinard was.

I would say go for it personally.

If it were an incentive laden contract, Yashin could be a good fit. The thing is, would he even look at a base salary of $1 million?

The other thing is, would he be a good fit for the Canucks? I remember watching Yashin since he first broke into the league (because the Sens were my second favourite team even in their basement days). As far as I can see and remember, this guy has talent but brings no motivation or team chemistry to the table with him. He breaks under pressure when he's called upon to lead, which makes him a lousy go-to guy. I have my reservations about Yashin, and I think that only a desperate team would sign him at this point (like the Oilers).

Watch, now that I've stated my opinion, Nonis will sign Yashin.

[madchild1978]

Well, in reality, the Canucks are pretty damn desperate for offense. I actualyl wouldnt mind them signing Lindros either...he would come dirt cheap and could more than likely put up Pyatt-like numbers given the right situation and ice time.

[vicnsand]

Well, in reality, the Canucks are pretty damn desperate for offense. I actualyl wouldnt mind them signing Lindros either...he would come dirt cheap and could more than likely put up Pyatt-like numbers given the right situation and ice time.

Well, I'd take Lindros as well. But I guess it's just bothering me that Nonis is doing next to nothing. Beggers can't be choosers, and the UFA market has moved from choosing to begging. Not sure whether Nonis wants to be a begger or an immovable object at this point.

[madchild1978]

Well, I'd take Lindros as well. But I guess it's just bothering me that Nonis is doing next to nothing. Beggers can't be choosers, and the UFA market has moved from choosing to begging. Not sure whether Nonis wants to be a begger or an immovable object at this point.


Couldnt agree with you more. This is why I dont think Nonis is doing his due dilligence as the Canucks GM. He MUST recognize the need for offence with this team, but hasnt even made an attempt to rectify it even a little bit. He has signed pluggers and fringe NHL players...its frustrating watching the teams around us get better and we stand pat.

[91_dnulasN]

Id Take Yashin one a One year 2 mill deal.

Remember, he was almost a point per guy last year (When Healthy), and he wouldnt be the "called upon" here.

I know Yash takes a whole lot of crap, but its not like he;d have to play up to the standards of a 10 year deal or the lable of "Franchise". In Reality Vancouver would be about as good a Fit as he could have.

That said the Laughs will offer him 6.5 per for 5 years or something ******ed

[Shooto]

Is it just me or does it seem like the gm's are hitting the panic button pretty hard?

[srv2miker]

Couldnt agree with you more. This is why I dont think Nonis is doing his due dilligence as the Canucks GM. He MUST recognize the need for offence with this team, but hasnt even made an attempt to rectify it even a little bit. He has signed pluggers and fringe NHL players...its frustrating watching the teams around us get better and we stand pat.

Yeah, but that's called being patient. As everyone knows, next year is the real opportunity for the Canucks, with Naslund, Morrison, and Cooke all off the books. Plus, at that point, one of either Raymond, Grabner, or the like will be playing in a scoring role. I'd rather they wait for next year than go out and sign guys they don't need now.

[madchild1978]

^^^^ They wouldnt be signing guys they dont need. They need offensive help, and signing a player with some goal scoring ability would not be adding someone you dont need.

[madchild1978]

And I am all for being patient, but come on....Canucks fans have been patient for 30+ years. And watching your rivals beef up every year while we stay the same except for fringe players is ridiculous.

[flesh_gordon]

I'd rather them be patient then sign some bum to a three year contract. The canucks finally have some depth in the system. We really don't need to be bringing in guys like Yashin, Guerin, Comrie or any other loser. Look at what nonis did last year... almost all of his FA signings turned into crap, but his trades were BEAUTIFUL :D

The summer is just beginning and who knows what kind of trade they can pull off.

[Poeschek]

And I am all for being patient, but come on....Canucks fans have been patient for 30+ years. And watching your rivals beef up every year while we stay the same except for fringe players is ridiculous.

True, but a lot of teams would kill to have the roster we already have. A core of the Sedins, Nazzy, Ohlund, Salo, Mitchell, Bieksa and Luongo is a pretty damn good foundation. With Luongo and that defensive corps, picking up a ton of offense isn't needed. They basically just need one more player which isn't a bad spot to be in.

[vicnsand]

^^ Our roster is ok, but based on last year's performance those guys clearly aren't enough to generate the offense that we so desperately need. I'd say we need two or three players who can put up some decent scoring numbers just so scoring can be spread evenly and be consistent.

I've been a Canuck fan since the early 80s. I remember the first and second cup runs very, very well. I even remember driving around Hastings and the old coliseum with my wife and kids to celebrate every win the Nucks had over the Rangers. With having moved to the prairies, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing how the Canucks have no cups and trying to defend my home city's team. I'm also sick of thinking, "Oh well, we look good for next year."

I'd say that if there's any time to let out all the stops and spend big to make a run for the cup, it'd be right NOW when our Dmen are emerging, we have some young scorers, and we have arguably the best goalie in the world locked up for 3 more years.

We're not even talking dynasty here. We're just talking one single, cotton-pickin' cup.

[/rant]

[srv2miker]

^^ Our roster is ok, but based on last year's performance those guys clearly aren't enough to generate the offense that we so desperately need. I'd say we need two or three players who can put up some decent scoring numbers just so scoring can be spread evenly and be consistent.

I've been a Canuck fan since the early 80s. I remember the first and second cup runs very, very well. I even remember driving around Hastings and the old coliseum with my wife and kids to celebrate every win the Nucks had over the Rangers. With having moved to the prairies, I'm getting sick and tired of hearing how the Canucks have no cups and trying to defend my home city's team. I'm also sick of thinking, "Oh well, we look good for next year."

I'd say that if there's any time to let out all the stops and spend big to make a run for the cup, it'd be right NOW when our Dmen are emerging, we have some young scorers, and we have arguably the best goalie in the world locked up for 3 more years.

We're not even talking dynasty here. We're just talking one single, cotton-pickin' cup.

[/rant]

Trust me, that "time" you're talking about is next year.

[Poeschek]

Canucks sign Kevin Bieksa to a 3 year contract extension, terms not yet announced!

[madchild1978]

Trust me, that "time" you're talking about is next year.



Broken record!

**not you srv2miker, but that statement in general has been used waaaayyy too much in Canuck land**

[vicnsand]

Bieksa re-signed. Looks like it works out to about just under $4 million over 3 years. IMO a little much.

Comments?

[Cardinal]

Anyone know of a good place to buy an authentic thorwback jersey?

[iknowkungfu]

Bieksa re-signed. Looks like it works out to about just under $4 million over 3 years. IMO a little much.

Comments?

top scoring dman on the team? it's reasonable i guess

he's got to play up to it again this year though

ohlund, salo and mitchell all have no trade clauses though right?

i think next year that bieksa contract is going to take us out of signing any big name free agents to replace morrison and naslund though, we'll only get 6.2 to spend instead of the 9.2 we should of

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

i think the Bieksa deal is fair. what is it? 1.33 million for a top 4 defenceman? Personally, i thought he was going to get more. At least he earns it, not like Kesler.

[srv2miker]

Bieksa re-signed. Looks like it works out to about just under $4 million over 3 years. IMO a little much.

Comments?

$11 mil over 3 years actually, works out to 3.6 mil a year against the cap. Just clarifying.

And as for too much, I find it hard to argue that salary when guys like Raflaski are getting 6mil a year.

Rafalski: GP: 82 G:8 A: 47: P:55 PIM:34
Bieksa: GP: 81 G: 12 A: 30 P 42 PIM:134

Seems like good value to me.

[madchild1978]

What the hell?!?!?!?!?! Nonis goes and signs Aaron Miller to a 1.5 mil for 1 season deal. I dont disagree with the player, but WE NEED SCORING NOT DEFENCE!!!! This was a dumb, dumb move and qadds to a position where we DONT NEED HELP.

The only thing I can think of is that he is close to trading one of our top 4 guys, otherwise this signing is pointless.

[iknowkungfu]

What the hell?!?!?!?!?! Nonis goes and signs Aaron Miller to a 1.5 mil for 1 season deal. I dont disagree with the player, but WE NEED SCORING NOT DEFENCE!!!! This was a dumb, dumb move and qadds to a position where we DONT NEED HELP.

The only thing I can think of is that he is close to trading one of our top 4 guys, otherwise this signing is pointless.

ok calm down spaz

i'm expecting something like ohlund for gionta maybe

[nucksfan]

Good move by Nonis, lock up the future and get a good, solid veteran. Ohlund's as good as gone.

[madchild1978]

ok calm down spaz

i'm expecting something like ohlund for gionta maybe

I am not spazzing at all, I just dont like the move and think its lame. I like the Bieksa signing and if he continues to improve like he has it is WELL WORTH the money. Signing Aaron Miller before adding offense, dumb move.

[vicnsand]

ok calm down spaz

i'm expecting something like ohlund for gionta maybe

You could be right.

I initially had my reservations about Miller. He's a D with cup experience, and that might come in handy during next year's playoffs, but we need scoring, not 10 gazillion defensemen. So there's gotta be something going on behind the scenes for some forwards. Nonis can't be dumb enough to keep bolstering the blue line when the only thing we lack back there is a puck moving D. . . . UNLESS he's got some sort of a trade in the works.

[madchild1978]

Well if there is a trade involving a roster d-man, I will praise the Miller signing, until then, I hate it. It addresses NONE of the teams needs at the current point in time.

[flesh_gordon]

Well if there is a trade involving a roster d-man, I will praise the Miller signing, until then, I hate it. It addresses NONE of the teams needs at the current point in time.

Do you walk out of movies after 15 minutes? and then it goes on to win oscars? just curious, cause I really don't think anyone here knows the big picture.

[iknowkungfu]

I am not spazzing at all, I just dont like the move and think its lame. I like the Bieksa signing and if he continues to improve like he has it is WELL WORTH the money. Signing Aaron Miller before adding offense, dumb move.

WHEN YOU TALK LIKE THIS YOU LOOK LIKE A SPAZ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

i'm not sure what offense you expect us to sign as well, there really isn't anything surefire out there

you also secure yourself before you jump into anything

do you sell your house before you have somewhere to move?
do you load your furniture before you've got a new lease?

what if nonis trades ohlund 1st and miller is gone? for example, it's easier dealing from strength than trying to build weakness

[madchild1978]

Do you walk out of movies after 15 minutes? and then it goes on to win oscars? just curious, cause I really don't think anyone here knows the big picture.


So I am not allowed to have observations about the upcoming season and roster moves? :rolleyes: I never said I am walking out on my team or will not cheer for them etc etc, I am a diehard Canucks fan and care about my team, and when our GM signs pluggers and d-men we dont need, especially in the salary cap era, I question it. I sincerly hope Nonis proves me wrong, I really do.

[madchild1978]

WHEN YOU TALK LIKE THIS YOU LOOK LIKE A SPAZ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?

i'm not sure what offense you expect us to sign as well, there really isn't anything surefire out there

you also secure yourself before you jump into anything

do you sell your house before you have somewhere to move?
do you load your furniture before you've got a new lease?

what if nonis trades ohlund 1st and miller is gone? for example, it's easier dealing from strength than trying to build weakness


What I mean is, did they really ned Miller even if Ohlund is dealt?

Look at the D we have before Miller...

Salo, Mitchell, Krajicek, Bieksa, Edler, and a few guys who would fit nicely in the 6th spot like maybe Bourdon. I just think the 1.5 would have been better spent elsewhere. Skip the signings of Miller and Isbister, there were guys available that can score for 2 or 2.5 mil a season.

[flesh_gordon]

Edler who hasn't had a full season with the canucks yet, rory fitzpatrick, who I believe still isn't signed.

Nonis has a Salary Cap below the max, he has to make sure his team is more than one dimensional. He's got Goaltending, he's shoring up the D, and the next thing on the agenda is Offence.

Who knows, naslund and morrison could be gone next week. Would you rather have Kevin Lowe as your gm? Garth Snow? I'm quite happy with Nonis.

And you took my analogy the wrong way... It's Patience. The payoff is at the end, not the beginning.

[vicnsand]

I think Madchild is just 'mad' like many other Canuck fans (myself included) because some of the signings and re-signings thus far haven't been 'splashy' or made a lot of sense from an offensive point of view. Signing Ritchie, Isbister, & Miller? Re-signing Krajicek & Bieksa for probably a few more $$$ than they're worth (although some of you might disagree with me about Bieksa).

As far as I believe, the only decent signings thus far have been Sanford & Schneider, with Sanford basically being a decent deal for a 72 game benchwarmer.

But then again we have to remember that Nonis, like Burke, seems to tool up the farm team early on before the fall so some of these signings must be related to farm team needs in Manitoba with the potential for call-ups throughout the season.

I'm still waiting -- somewhat impatiently -- for a couple of big splashes, though because the pool of talented UFAs who'll have a big offensive impact for this team is getting smaller by the day.

[91_dnulasN]

With no Trade:

Bieksa - Mitchell
Ohlund - Salo
Krajicek - Miller

Now, I LOVE this lineup. Give Edler and Bourdon a Full year in the A (With Edler the Call up)

For the Forward Spot, Im actually willing to sit back and See if a Prospect can Take a spot in Camp. Give Hansen, Grabner and Raymond a chance to play with Nas/Mo or the Dopplegangers. At the Same Time Im a BIG supporter of the idea of Playing Kesler on the Second Line RW. If they cant then Nonis can make a move for a Forward early on.

I was never a Fan of huge UFA signing, and with the money Guys like Drury and Gomez got, Im glad we wernt in this madhouse cash throw. Look at the FLyers, in 4 Years they are going to be Cap screwed, ESPECIALLY if the cap were to regress any,

Maybe I have the Luxary of not being in the middle of the city and hearing all the doom and gloom Sports "Reporters" and Fans who for some unknown reason think they are smarted than GM's.

Would Gomez be a good Addition here? Yes. At 8 Mil? Hell no
Would Drury have been nice? Yep. At 7 Mil? God No
Briere helped us for a few years? hell yes. For eight!?!?! - No Way
Guerin a good Second liner? Uh hu. For 4.5? Uhh no.

Point out ONE good player that got a reasonable deal (The One exception Id List is Oulette, But personally being in the East Ive seen him enough to say he Floats a little too much.)

[srv2miker]

With no Trade:

Bieksa - Mitchell
Ohlund - Salo
Krajicek - Miller

Now, I LOVE this lineup. Give Edler and Bourdon a Full year in the A (With Edler the Call up)

For the Forward Spot, Im actually willing to sit back and See if a Prospect can Take a spot in Camp. Give Hansen, Grabner and Raymond a chance to play with Nas/Mo or the Dopplegangers. At the Same Time Im a BIG supporter of the idea of Playing Kesler on the Second Line RW. If they cant then Nonis can make a move for a Forward early on.

I was never a Fan of huge UFA signing, and with the money Guys like Drury and Gomez got, Im glad we wernt in this madhouse cash throw. Look at the FLyers, in 4 Years they are going to be Cap screwed, ESPECIALLY if the cap were to regress any,

Maybe I have the Luxary of not being in the middle of the city and hearing all the doom and gloom Sports "Reporters" and Fans who for some unknown reason think they are smarted than GM's.

Would Gomez be a good Addition here? Yes. At 8 Mil? Hell no
Would Drury have been nice? Yep. At 7 Mil? God No
Briere helped us for a few years? hell yes. For eight!?!?! - No Way
Guerin a good Second liner? Uh hu. For 4.5? Uhh no.

Point out ONE good player that got a reasonable deal (The One exception Id List is Oulette, But personally being in the East Ive seen him enough to say he Floats a little too much.)

You're just too damn smart. Well said.

[iknowkungfu]

What I mean is, did they really ned Miller even if Ohlund is dealt?

Look at the D we have before Miller...

Salo, Mitchell, Krajicek, Bieksa, Edler, and a few guys who would fit nicely in the 6th spot like maybe Bourdon. I just think the 1.5 would have been better spent elsewhere. Skip the signings of Miller and Isbister, there were guys available that can score for 2 or 2.5 mil a season.

name the best offensive players that can score and have been signed for under 2.5 mil this free agency

todd white
owen nolan
scott walker (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
yanic perreault
josef stumpel (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
bryan smolinski
mike york
mark recchi (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
gary roberts (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
michel ouellet
viktor kozlov

i don't think any ONE player here could fix our offensive woes, the ones you would think were products of their linemates, which is why they signed for under 2.5

also if you skip both those signings you have to replace them with 2 players, not just 1

[madchild1978]

I agree with you guys on the high priced free agents, the money and terms are too much for the Nucks to handle right now with the cap, but I still think there was better additions to be made than spending money on Miller and Isbister. I do like the Ritchie signing, he will fit well on the 3rd line. Take a flyer on a 1.5 or 2 mil a season Alexi Yashin. Hell even on a bad season he pots 20 and 20.

[madchild1978]

name the best offensive players that can score and have been signed for under 2.5 mil this free agency

todd white
owen nolan
scott walker (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
yanic perreault
josef stumpel (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
bryan smolinski
mike york
mark recchi (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
gary roberts (never made it to UFA, re-signed before)
michel ouellet
viktor kozlov


.

i don't think any ONE player here could fix our offensive woes, the ones you would think were products of their linemates, which is why they signed for under 2.5

also if you skip both those signings you have to replace them with 2 players, not just 1

I will take Ouelette or Perrault over Miller or Isbister. And to replace them with 2 players...we have quite a few young players that could help out in the 3rd or 4th line spot.

[91_dnulasN]

I'll Agree that Id personally like to see them take a Flyer on Yashin. At 2 Mil he'd be decent Value for the production, and he might Flourish in a place where he isnt expected to be the Franchise guy. At the Same Time if they think a Grebner or Hansen or Raymond Can Be that Second line winger, then Why the hell not Leave the door open and let them try.

Also on Yashin, the Question becomes Can he Play RW, or does he just Bump B-Mo Down a line and leave us with the same hole on the right side.

[madchild1978]

I'll Agree that Id personally like to see them take a Flyer on Yashin. At 2 Mil he'd be decent Value for the production, and he might Flourish in a place where he isnt expected to be the Franchise guy. At the Same Time if they think a Grebner or Hansen or Raymond Can Be that Second line winger, then Why the hell not Leave the door open and let them try.

Also on Yashin, the Question becomes Can he Play RW, or does he just Bump B-Mo Down a line and leave us with the same hole on the right side.


I honestly think Yashin would be a very good siging if you could lock him in a 2 or 2.5 mil a season. I think he could produce and there is enough quality guys in the Canucks locker room to keep him and his attitude in check if it got to that point.

[madchild1978]

Looks like Ohlund would have to approve a trade...he has a NT clause. I cant see anyone in their right mind approving a trade from a city like Vancouver to Jersey...a dreary swamp with no fan base at all.

[TheBreeze8700]

We currently have the sexiest 6 man D core and goalie combo in the league. But there is definitely a big trade coming up to move one of them.

SO HAPPY Bieksa is locked up!

[iknowkungfu]

Looks like Ohlund would have to approve a trade...he has a NT clause. I cant see anyone in their right mind approving a trade from a city like Vancouver to Jersey...a dreary swamp with no fan base at all.

who wants to play for a team that doesn't want him though

[JOGADOGGZ]

We currently have the sexiest 6 man D core and goalie combo in the league. But there is definitely a big trade coming up to move one of them.

SO HAPPY Bieksa is locked up!

I agree with Breeze, definitely a move will be made soon by Nonis. Aaron Miller will be a definite upgrade from Fitzpatrick/Sopel. They'll bring in Edler/Bourdon from the farm every now and then to fill in for injuries or so but I definitely like the Miller signing. The Canucks have a nice defense Core.

[madchild1978]

I agree with Breeze about the Bieksa signing, great move there. If Nonis makes a trade that includes a d-man, then the Miller signing will be worth it. If he doesnt improve the offense via a trade I am scratching my head. Also iknowkungfoo, I dont know if the Canucks dont want Ohlund, I mean they continued to play him a ton last season even though he looked like he had lost about 5 steps and took the most ******ed penalties. I like Ohlund, but looking at his play the last 2 seasons, his best years may be behind him.

[nucksfan]

I think an Ohlund trade is a done deal, Ohlund and Schneider together

[madchild1978]

I think an Ohlund trade is a done deal, Ohlund and Schneider together


For who do you think? I have to think both of them is worth more than Gionta.

[91_dnulasN]

I think something Lost on Ohlund, Anyone think he might be starting to have some issues from his Eye Injury so many years ago?

[nucksfan]

Gionta's name has been the more popular out there, Madden's name has come up, Parise, not sure really.For who do you think? I have to think both of them is worth more than Gionta.

[iknowkungfu]

ohlund/morrison/draft pick for gionta/zajac i pray

if we give up a blue chip like ohlund i think morrison is going to be bundled with him so we can sign someone else

a deal like this would free up and additional 2.25 for this season

[madchild1978]

ohlund/morrison/draft pick for gionta/zajac i pray

if we give up a blue chip like ohlund i think morrison is going to be bundled with him so we can sign someone else

a deal like this would free up and additional 2.25 for this season


I like that deal.

[JOGADOGGZ]

I like that deal but NJ won't give up Gionta

[nucksfan]

Don't be so sure, NJ need defensmen right now in the worst wayI like that deal but NJ won't give up Gionta

[madchild1978]

anyone renewing Canucks seasons tickets? If so PM me please!

[JOGADOGGZ]

anyone renewing Canucks seasons tickets? If so PM me please!

I will be and not planning to go to each one so I can sell you some games.

[madchild1978]

Joe you have PM my friend!

[91_dnulasN]

1) Anyone Wanna Pay for a ticket for me If I fly in for a game? =D

2) Remember, no one though Big Joe would be traded outta Boston either.

[madchild1978]

91_dnulasN, come to Vancouver and buy a couple tickets to the Canucks/Penguins, and you can stay at my place!!!

[JOGADOGGZ]

I'd love to see the canucks pluck somebody like Marleau,Hossa or Heatley next year when Naslund,Morrison are UFA's.

[91_dnulasN]

Those Tickets will probably cost more than the Plane ticket.

[madchild1978]

Those Tickets will probably cost more than the Plane ticket.


lol, no doubt!:)

[iknowkungfu]

1) Anyone Wanna Pay for a ticket for me If I fly in for a game? =D

2) Remember, no one though Big Joe would be traded outta Boston either.

*cough* ryan smyth *cough*

[JOGADOGGZ]

What type of player is Ryan Shannon?? is this guy like another Andy mcdonald type or another guy with all the speed and no hands??

[madchild1978]

He is a guy that I am not very excited about. If he was decent Burke wouldnt have dealt him.

[JOGADOGGZ]

I saw him play vs Vancouver last year when the Ducks spanked he Canucks 6-0 and he had a pretty good game vs Vancouver that night. I wonder why the Canucks couldn't come to terms with J.King. He had some potential.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Scotty did you buy anything during the summer sale?

[madchild1978]

I have my eye on some stuff Joe, just waiting for some $$$ to come my way. Listed a ton of stuff on eBay and August in my month in my CC, so soon my friend, very soon!

[iknowkungfu]

I saw him play vs Vancouver last year when the Ducks spanked he Canucks 6-0 and he had a pretty good game vs Vancouver that night. I wonder why the Canucks couldn't come to terms with J.King. He had some potential.

because he wanted more guaranteed money in the minors and nonis said no

[JOGADOGGZ]

Anyone confirm that the Canucks colours will be Blue and Silver?? there supposedly unveiling there jersey's next month.

[TheBreeze8700]

Hey guys, Im going to have about 20 pairs of tickets upper bowl from my season tickets to sell. If anyone is interested, send me a few offers...as in price per ticket you would offer and once I get them I could meet and give them to you before the season.

[vicnsand]

Hey guys, Im going to have about 20 pairs of tickets upper bowl from my season tickets to sell. If anyone is interested, send me a few offers...as in price per ticket you would offer and once I get them I could meet and give them to you before the season.

Wish I still lived in Burnaby. :( :( :( :( :(

[Shooto]

Hey Breeze,

What section are they in?

[Mirko Cro Cop]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/Canuckslogo/Copyofpic00187copy.jpg

[larry_chimp_man]

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa72/Canuckslogo/Copyofpic00187copy.jpg

Where is this from?

EDIT: I see it now on ModSquad. Damn, I'm not sure taking all the colour out of the logo is a good idea. I'm not sure we want to become a team with just one colour and a highlight. Meh, I guess it works for the Leafs and Wings.

[Joe Lazy]

Hey Breeze,

What section are they in?

and are you selling them for cost or for more?

[JOGADOGGZ]

Going to the Canucks Season Ticket appointments today, I plan to grab the pack with Pittsburgh in it to see Crosby.

[madchild1978]

Joe, if you can get an extra set of Pens tickets (i know season ticket holders can get extras before the general public) grab me a pair :)

[JOGADOGGZ]

Scotty I couldn't get any extra's but I got a set for myself. I'll let you know what tickets i will sell.

[JOGADOGGZ]

Forsberg rumours are everywhere? Ottawa, Vancouver?? can't see it happening...no cap space and he clearly said he would only play in Colorado if he were to play in the Northwest. Also saw on Eklund's blog that Vancouver is looking at Bergeron from Boston?

[madchild1978]

That would be ok if the Nucks were able to get Bergeron out of Boston!

Joe, lemme know which games!

[JOGADOGGZ]

That would be ok if the Nucks were able to get Bergeron out of Boston!

Joe, lemme know which games!

I'll let you know Scotty but don't have anything for sale yet.

[madchild1978]

ya, no prob. I had a chance to buy a bunch of singles, but I want pairs so I can take my wife :)

[JOGADOGGZ]

Anyone going to the Jersey Unveiling event next Wednesday at GM place?

[91_dnulasN]

Linden Resigned Official, Rumor has it at LESS than he made last season.

[srv2miker]

Welcome back Trev

[madchild1978]

he signed at 475,000 plus performance bonuses. I am considering going to the unveiling, but you cant buy the jersey there so unless the players are gonna sign some autos, I doubt it.

[madchild1978]

By the way guys, I have game worn Canucks jerseys I am looking to unload. I have a navy blue Sami Salo worn from last season, set 2 and photomatched, with meigray paperwork.

Also I have a Mattias Ohlund game worn navy from 02/03, trying to photomatch, with Meigray paperwork.


Looking for $350 each or $675 for both.

[91_dnulasN]

How Fast you looking to move them? I'd Be interested in them in October when I get my Transfer Bonus from work.

[madchild1978]

Well, I could probably wait....I would need a concrete agreement though...I am selling them to get a Linden game used and the seller of that would have to be willing to wait. Are you definatley wanting them?

[91_dnulasN]

Barring something exploding between now and then yea I would.

[madchild1978]

ok, well I will not post anywhere and save them for you as long as you are SURE you want them! :)


Also Linden signed for 600,000, not the original 475,000 reported.

[madchild1978]

I can do $625 for both if you buy sooner, lol ;) :)

[Shooto]

Anyone know which canucks will be at the unveiling? I'm guessing it'll be the new acquisitions.

[mistagone]

I have a feeling there won't be a new logo just new colors with the Reebok jersey after reading this. I'm not sure how I can handle cheering for the world's worst team logo in sports for another 5-10 years.

CANUCKS TO UNVEIL NEW HOME AND AWAY SWEATERS AT GENERAL MOTORS PLACE

The Vancouver Canucks announced today that they will unveil their new home and away sweaters to their fans and media on Wednesday, August 29th at General Motors Place.

Canucks fans are encouraged to join their favourite team for a tailgate party prior to the sweater launch at 12:30 pm. The tailgate party which begins at 11:30 am on the South Plaza will include free hot dogs provided by Grimm’s and Save-On-Foods, Coca-Cola beverages and Canucks prizing courtesy of McDonald’s and The Beat 94.5 FM Street Squad.

Canucks mascot FIN will be taking part in all of the activities and will be available for photos following the Sweater Launch on the South Plaza.

Tickets for the launch event are free and are only available online through Ticketmaster.ca, beginning at 10:00 am, today.

TAILGATE PARTY

Schedule of Events

11:30 am – Tailgate party on the South Plaza (close to Gate 7)
12:00 pm – Doors open, please enter through Gate 7
12:30 pm – Unveiling of the Canucks Sweater
1:00 pm – Canucks Team Store opens. Photos with FIN on the South Plaza.

The tailgate party begins at 11:30 am and will include free hot dogs provided by Grimm’s and Save-on-Foods, beverages by Coca-Cola, Canucks prizing courtesy of McDonald’s and The Beat 94.5 FM Street Squad.

The unveiling will be hosted by John Shorthouse, Chris Zimmerman, Dave Nonis and Canucks players.

Tickets are FREE and are only available through Ticketmaster.ca. Limit of 4 tickets per order.

LAUNCH ON CANUCKS.COM

Watch the jersey launch live as Canucks.com broadcast straight to you for the first time right from General Motors Place.

We'll bring you the action right from the bowl and bring you behind the scenes at the post-event media press conference from the Canucks dressing room.

Tune in to Canucks.com on Wednesday, August 29th at 12:30 pm PST to watch the event and catch all the buzz of the new Canucks jersey with some of your favourite Canucks players and staff.


http://canucks.nhl.com/team/app/?service=page&page=NHLPage&id=17540

[Shooto]

There's always hope for the third jersey's next year...

[Poeschek]

This has been the most bungled PR move the team has done in a long time. I like the current orca uniform well enough and I love the vintage jersey. If the rumors are true, I don't understand why they decided to do some sort of mashup of vintage colors and orca logo. Not only that, but to allow the rumors to spread about an August 1st unveiling when they knew that the actual unveiling would happen later in the month was total garbage.

I just hope they aren't too ugly...

[PrimeBane]

There's always hope for the third jersey's next year...

There are no 3rd jerseys for any team next year... and probably not for 3-4 years until teams need a boost in revenue.

[JOGADOGGZ]

They got the colour scheme right but now they have Vancouver on the front, what gives with this?

http://communities.canada.com/theprovince/blogs/newsroom/archive/2007/08/29/canucks-unveil-new-jerseys.aspx

[shandy_man]

i actually kinda like it....the vancouver text can go or stay, no biggy to be....can't wait get an authentic Nazzy!!!

[JOGADOGGZ]

I hope they scrap the Vancouver on the front, but i guess i can learn to like them just like every jersey they've had.

[madchild1978]

The jerseys are ok, except for the VANCOUVER across the front. That looks bush league. I cant believe they paid $1,000,000 for this jersey though. Nothing changed at all. They combined the retro and orca, and added a *****y Vacnouver wordmark across the front.


At least I would be shelling out a few hundred bucks for one.

[JOGADOGGZ]

I guess Luongo scraps his other Vancouver helmet with the bear on the front.

[madchild1978]

Hmmmm, I wanna buy it, lol!

[JOGADOGGZ]

yeah that would be a great helmet to have.

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

i like the VANCOUVER over the logo.

[madchild1978]

i like the VANCOUVER over the logo.


I would like it....on a sweatshirt or t-shirt, but it looks absolutley ******ed on the jersey. It is WAY too cluttered and looks lame.

[larry_chimp_man]

i like the VANCOUVER over the logo.

Serious?

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

Serious?yes

[dustymac88]

I don't mind the lettering...I'm sure it will grow on me once they actualy play a game in them.
..but at first glimpse they remind me of those cheap Susperstore Canuck jerseys with the whale logo and the "Canucks" lettering at the bottom

[larry_chimp_man]

I don't mind the lettering...I'm sure it will grow on me once they actualy play a game in them.
..but at first glimpse they remind me of those cheap Susperstore Canuck jerseys with the whale logo and the "Canucks" lettering at the bottom

Exactly, it doesn't seem like a hockey jersey to me. The "VANCOUVER" lettering would be much more at home on a football jersey or a soccer uniform, not a hockey sweater.

[Blackcap Scalper]

Canucks should've just stuck with their vintage blue and green uniforms - those were nice and simple. I'm not a big fan of 'Vancouver' over the orca...too much going on. Probably take some time to get used to these jerseys.

[larry_chimp_man]

Canucks should've just stuck with their vintage blue and green uniforms - those were nice and simple. I'm not a big fan of 'Vancouver' over the orca...too much going on. Probably take some time to get used to these jerseys.

In an ideal world the Canucks would be wearing their vintage blues next season. I'm sure the designer of these new jerseys thought so too, he just knew he had to add something of his own so the franchise would "get their money's worth".

[mistagone]

Not only does the same reused logo suck and the Vancouver written on the top look ugly but they didn't even take advantage of the lines and cut of the Reebok jersey. It's like they didn't even look at it before they started designing.

[nhlnflcflmlbnba]

I too agree with most people, it's either one or the other, but not both.

My feeling is that the Canucks will be the first to "redesign" their redesigned jersey and simplify it.

[madchild1978]

I still think the "Vancouver" wordmark is a cash grab for the olympics. Tourists will be in abundance here in the Vancouver area in 2010, and since the Canucks are "trendy" and the tourists will want things that represent Vancouver, there ya go. In 2011 the wordmark will be gone.

[larry_chimp_man]

I still think the "Vancouver" wordmark is a cash grab for the olympics. Tourists will be in abundance here in the Vancouver area in 2010, and since the Canucks are "trendy" and the tourists will want things that represent Vancouver, there ya go. In 2011 the wordmark will be gone.

You bring up a very valid point. Although, I can't see many Olympic tourists buying Canucks jerseys. Even if they do, it won't be enough to effect the market too much.

[madchild1978]

You bring up a very valid point. Although, I can't see many Olympic tourists buying Canucks jerseys. Even if they do, it won't be enough to effect the market too much.



dude, there will be SOOOOOO MANY people here for the olympics....keep in mind how multi-cultural Vancouver is and people willing to travel from places like Asia and India, given our huge asian and east indian communities, especially could see the olympics, as well as family, and not having to fork out for hotel etc may encourage them to come.

That jerseys wordmark was directed to sell for the olympics, I am pretty convinced of that.

[JOGADOGGZ]

I agree with Scotty here definitely needed that wordmark for the 2010 games here.

[nhlnflcflmlbnba]

I still think the "Vancouver" wordmark is a cash grab for the olympics. Tourists will be in abundance here in the Vancouver area in 2010, and since the Canucks are "trendy" and the tourists will want things that represent Vancouver, there ya go. In 2011 the wordmark will be gone.

Valid point, but if you were a tourist and were looking to buy an "Olympic" souvenir, wouldn't you buy something with the Olympic logo on it? (in addition to the word Vancouver)

[brew]

I think the VANCOUVER over the top was a callback to the WHL days, as they try and cash in on "vintage" mania. Current logo, 70's colors, 60's name on front (although if they did the baseball thing, and put Vancouver on the road jerseys and CANUCKS on the home, that'd be cool)

http://thumb10.webshots.net/t/50/150/6/79/38/2754679380047416110lGpaak_th.jpg (http://sports.webshots.com/photo/2754679380047416110lGpaak)

[brew]

and madchild, now that you're part of the GW community, you're supposed to save your money to buy a new shirt that was worn, not a fanboy homer jersey :p

[JOGADOGGZ]

bumpy bump! any updates to report in Nucks town?

[madchild1978]

I just heard on the radio that half of the propspects camp will be kept around for the big boys camp. Expected names like Bourdon, Edler, Mason Raymond and a few others will remain. Didnt hear about Corey Schneider though.

[madchild1978]

and madchild, now that you're part of the GW community, you're supposed to save your money to buy a new shirt that was worn, not a fanboy homer jersey :p


LOL :D

[JOGADOGGZ]

Schneider will be in the farm for a while, hopefully he develops fast enough so next year he can be luongo's back up and understudy.