High Definition Discussion Thread - Blu-Ray, HDTV, etc...

[hewlett]

Anyone seen the sales paper for Best Buy for today? There is a nice deal on the front page and page number one. I saw two package deals in which both included a 1080p television + a ps3+ a game + a Blu-Ray movie. Very nice deal for anyone looking into getting in the HD era. From looking at the packages you get the ps3 for free.

[SBrooks1]

I know someone who is selling used Blu-ray movies for $20 each shipping included!! Here are the titles he has.....

Talladega Nights
Gridiron Gang
Crank
Rocky Balboa
Casino Royale
The Pursuit of Happyness
Happy Feet
Hitch
Saw I
Saw II
Saw III
DeJa Vu
Stomp the Yard

Here is his e-mail address if you're interested - tekmode@gmail.com - This guy is a good upstanding member on a huge board I'm on. He's good people. :)

[supertim]

s (still can't pull the trigger on Hulk....haven't seen it, heard it's reference PQ but below average story).


I had no probs with the PQ, but I'm no expert. At the very least, it's average-slightly above average in the PQ department.

Hulk takes entirely too long to develop...the story doesn't suck but it's not spectacular. Something I thought was cool about the movie was the fact that the viewer is sort of watching a comic book - the various panes/wipes/fades interspersed throughout were really neat, imo. Seeing the Hulk onscreen is worth the wait, though. Hopefully the second one will be better.

[PrimeBane]

Really? I haven't seen it yet, but most people rave about Hulk being a reference disk for HD DVD.

I agree about the movie taking to long develop. Its just not entertaining for the most part. Hopefully Hulk 2 is way better (and a boost for Universal).

In other HD news, my HD DVD of T2 ships tomorrow. :D I can't wait to get it.

[WitchKingOfAngmar]

Really? I haven't seen it yet, but most people rave about Hulk being a reference disk for HD DVD.

I agree about the movie taking to long develop. Its just not entertaining for the most part. Hopefully Hulk 2 is way better (and a boost for Universal).

In other HD news, my HD DVD of T2 ships tomorrow. :D I can't wait to get it.

It's not Hulk 2, it's a reboot (already) of the franchise.

[PrimeBane]

Really? I was under the impression it was just a new actor and the story was starting with Banner on the run...

[hewlett]

Article I found when i couldnt sleep. Its about Blu-Ray and Blockbuster.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_bi_ge/blockbuster_blu_ray;_ylt=Aglaoz.angp.e7nWjcnayVOs0NUE

[GPWYANKEE]

Went to best buys and couldnt get the HD Sale to come up

Bought 4 More from DDD before the sale went off

Pitch Black
Hulk
BackDraft
Payback-New Version

[GPWYANKEE]

Article I found when i couldnt sleep. Its about Blu-Ray and Blockbuster.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_bi_ge/blockbuster_blu_ray;_ylt=Aglaoz.angp.e7nWjcnayVOs0NUE


If they would come out with a quality Blu Ray player id buy one-The Samsung player blows from what i read.

[grif32]

Ebay is so much better for HD DVD disk. You can always find cheap disk out on the bay and new as well.

Chris

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I have to slow down buying titles. Im up to 95 disks.
45 HD-DVD
50 BD

How many HD movies do you guys own?

[grif32]

I have to slow down buying titles. Im up to 95 disks.
45 HD-DVD
50 BD

How many HD movies do you guys own?

Maybe 20. I am not tyring to rebuy my SD DVD collection either.

Chris

[PrimeBane]

I think I'm just under 30 HD DVDs now...

I'm trying to be pickier about what I buy.

[JaylisJayP]

DDD has more titles than Best Buy - How does it not have a good selection?

I heard from many people at AVs that the HD DVDs they wanted are continually "not in stock"....plus people experience horror stories with shipping. For me, it's definitely worth less than a dollar more to be able to pick up the titles at Best Buy...I usually will pay a little more if I know I'm getting it that day, just the way I am.

[JaylisJayP]

Really? I haven't seen it yet, but most people rave about Hulk being a reference disk for HD DVD.

I agree about the movie taking to long develop. Its just not entertaining for the most part. Hopefully Hulk 2 is way better (and a boost for Universal).

In other HD news, my HD DVD of T2 ships tomorrow. :D I can't wait to get it.

Still waiting for mine a week later...but i'm guessing you'll get it before me since you're in Canada.

[JaylisJayP]

I have to slow down buying titles. Im up to 95 disks.
45 HD-DVD
50 BD

How many HD movies do you guys own?

I'm at 67...slightly more than half of which are HD DVD...and actually only 4-5 are ones I owned on DVD.

I'm kinda buying the ones I know I'll watch over and over again now, since come September when our baby is due, I doubt I'll have the funds to buy more than say 1 movie a month.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Most of my titles came when they were on sale at FYE or now with a local record store that carries used titles $14.99 and under.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Here is a link for upcoming HD-dvds

http://hddvdformat.blogspot.com/2007/01/coming-soon-to-hd-dvd-north-america.html

[JaylisJayP]

Most of my titles came when they were on sale at FYE or now with a local record store that carries used titles $14.99 and under.

yeah, i'd say only about 15 on all my movies were not onsale when i bought them.

[grif32]

Recieved Blazzing Saddles HD cant wait to watch it. One of my all time favorites.

Also bought Big Fish.

Chris

[HollandX]

Article I found when i couldnt sleep. Its about Blu-Ray and Blockbuster.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_bi_ge/blockbuster_blu_ray;_ylt=Aglaoz.angp.e7nWjcnayVOs0NUE


WOW!

[grif32]

Sony is putting some money in BB pockets thats for sure. I dont think its that big of an impact at all..

chris

[supertim]

I'm at 67...slightly more than half of which are HD DVD...and actually only 4-5 are ones I owned on DVD.

I'm kinda buying the ones I know I'll watch over and over again now, since come September when our baby is due, I doubt I'll have the funds to buy more than say 1 movie a month.

DANG!


I thought I had a lot - 21 HD-DVD and 6 Blu-Ray, but I was dead wrong. You guys are crazy:p

[JaylisJayP]

DANG!


I thought I had a lot - 21 HD-DVD and 6 Blu-Ray, but I was dead wrong. You guys are crazy:p


Basically, yeah....but at least it's keeping my Sportspick splurging at bay!!!

[VH Fan]

Sony is putting some money in BB pockets thats for sure. I dont think its that big of an impact at all..

chris

Dude, come on. Is Sony lining the pockets of everyone? Face it, HD-DVD is in trouble. Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD over 3 to 1. Blu-Ray has the backing/catelog of every studio except Universal while HD-DVD does NOT have the backing/catelog of Fox, Sony/Columbia, or Disney/Buena Vista. Nearly every major electronic manufactor makes Blu-Ray sets while only 2 make HD-DVD sets. The writing is on the wall. When a CEO of a major retailer indicates they are going strictly Blu-Ray because of the sales numbers, what does that tell you? As soon as a Best Buy or a Circuit City devotes all there shelf space to Blu-Ray, HD- DVD is done. Retailers WILL decide which format wins, and right now Blu-Ray is BY FAR outselling HD-DVD. In the end money talks and what sells gets the shelf space from retailers. There is a nice article from the folks over at thedigitalbits.com about this issue and how they could not recommend ANYONE gets into HD-DVD due to these issues. It's only a matter of time.

[GPWYANKEE]

Are there any stand alone Blu Ray Machines that arent rittled with issues??Everyone i read about has bunches of problems.

[GPWYANKEE]

Dude, come on. Is Sony lining the pockets of everyone? Face it, HD-DVD is in trouble. Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD over 3 to 1. Blu-Ray has the backing/catelog of every studio except Universal while HD-DVD does NOT have the backing/catelog of Fox, Sony/Columbia, or Disney/Buena Vista. Nearly every major electronic manufactor makes Blu-Ray sets while only 2 make HD-DVD sets. The writing is on the wall. When a CEO of a major retailer indicates they are going strictly Blu-Ray because of the sales numbers, what does that tell you? As soon as a Best Buy or a Circuit City devotes all there shelf space to Blu-Ray, HD- DVD is done. Retailers WILL decide which format wins, and right now Blu-Ray is BY FAR outselling HD-DVD. In the end money talks and what sells gets the shelf space from retailers. There is a nice article from the folks over at thedigitalbits.com about this issue and how they could not recommend ANYONE gets into HD-DVD due to these issues. It's only a matter of time.


I agree with you on the title selection for sure but the Hardware issue is what has stopped me from getting a Blu Ray machine along with the prohibitive cost.The Toshiba H2 A2 machine is cheap enough that it makes a nice upconverter for standard Dvds even if your not into the HD Dvds.The five free discs doesnt hurt either.If Blu Ray came out with a cheap enough machine im afraid HD would get wiped out.

[grif32]

Dude, come on. Is Sony lining the pockets of everyone? Face it, HD-DVD is in trouble. Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD over 3 to 1. Blu-Ray has the backing/catelog of every studio except Universal while HD-DVD does NOT have the backing/catelog of Fox, Sony/Columbia, or Disney/Buena Vista. Nearly every major electronic manufactor makes Blu-Ray sets while only 2 make HD-DVD sets. The writing is on the wall. When a CEO of a major retailer indicates they are going strictly Blu-Ray because of the sales numbers, what does that tell you? As soon as a Best Buy or a Circuit City devotes all there shelf space to Blu-Ray, HD- DVD is done. Retailers WILL decide which format wins, and right now Blu-Ray is BY FAR outselling HD-DVD. In the end money talks and what sells gets the shelf space from retailers. There is a nice article from the folks over at thedigitalbits.com about this issue and how they could not recommend ANYONE gets into HD-DVD due to these issues. It's only a matter of time.

Also they will STILL continue to offer HD DVD in stores and on-line..

You say money talks but not a heck of alot of average consumers will to dump $600 on a BR player plain and simple.

BR IS NOT outselling HD DVD by far. Disc sells are pretty much equal. Both are over 1 million sold each. Please know the facts before posting.

HD DVD standalone are outselling BR standalones by a good margin. BR must be done!!

BR might have the backing but Fox is putting ZERO out and Disney is pulling back titles.

If you think HD DVD is going away anytime soon your flat out nuts. They will be around for years to come.

BR and HD DVD are a niche market and probably will be for years to come.

Lets face it this will have ZERO impact on the war.

Lets forget the War and enjoy the movies. Who cares what happens...

Chris

[grif32]

Are there any stand alone Blu Ray Machines that arent rittled with issues??Everyone i read about has bunches of problems.

To be honest i think HD DVD players have more bugs then BR players but both have problems.

Chris

[GPWYANKEE]

To be honest i think HD DVD players have more bugs then BR players but both have problems.

Chris


Im just going by Amazons reviews.They have upwards to 200-300 reviews on some of these players.The Toshiba H2 A2 player gets the highest marks with people overall happiness with technical support.The Sony and Samsung Blu Ray stand alones get poor reviews in my opinion and people complaining about many more glitches and problems.It also is glaringly obvious that Samsung has piss poor technical support from all that ive read.Toshiba Tech support was great when it came to helping me-Might have been on the phone a total of 15 minutes.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Im waiting for the LG duel disk player to come way down in price. Then It wont matter to me with one dies as I will have a player that can play either disk.

[GPWYANKEE]

Im waiting for the LG duel disk player to come way down in price. Then It wont matter to me with one dies as I will have a player that can play either disk.


Sounds like a plan to me

[grif32]

Im just going by Amazons reviews.They have upwards to 200-300 reviews on some of these players.The Toshiba H2 A2 player gets the highest marks with people overall happiness with technical support.The Sony and Samsung Blu Ray stand alones get poor reviews in my opinion and people complaining about many more glitches and problems.It also is glaringly obvious that Samsung has piss poor technical support from all that ive read.Toshiba Tech support was great when it came to helping me-Might have been on the phone a total of 15 minutes.

I woudnt trust anything I read on Amazon. Probably a bunch of HD DVD supporters bashing it. BR has some solid players.

Chris

[Eazy-D66]

just a quick question....how is it possible to release old movies, or any movie for that matter, that wasn't shot in HD in a HD Format?

I know nothing of video compression or any other fancy terms so could someone please tell me or point me to a site that would?

[PrimeBane]

just a quick question....how is it possible to release old movies, or any movie for that matter, that wasn't shot in HD in a HD Format?


Film has a MUCH higher resolution than 1080p. Thus, all movies are already beyond HD when shot. :)

[PrimeBane]

Dude, come on. Is Sony lining the pockets of everyone? Face it, HD-DVD is in trouble. Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD over 3 to 1. Blu-Ray has the backing/catelog of every studio except Universal while HD-DVD does NOT have the backing/catelog of Fox, Sony/Columbia, or Disney/Buena Vista. Nearly every major electronic manufactor makes Blu-Ray sets while only 2 make HD-DVD sets. The writing is on the wall. When a CEO of a major retailer indicates they are going strictly Blu-Ray because of the sales numbers, what does that tell you? As soon as a Best Buy or a Circuit City devotes all there shelf space to Blu-Ray, HD- DVD is done. Retailers WILL decide which format wins, and right now Blu-Ray is BY FAR outselling HD-DVD. In the end money talks and what sells gets the shelf space from retailers. There is a nice article from the folks over at thedigitalbits.com about this issue and how they could not recommend ANYONE gets into HD-DVD due to these issues. It's only a matter of time.

Way to spread the FUD.

BD outsells HD DVD 2:1 currently and has for most of 2007 other than the major dry spell for HD DVD during March.

Current manufacturers behind HD DVD include Toshiba, Onyko, LG and Samsung with their dual players. And never forget the MS 360 HD DVD addon.

And Blockbuster is not going exclusive BD. They are only going BD only in their next expansion. Larger centers where the test stores are located will still rent both formats. And should the 70:30 rental shift more toward HD DVD you can bet Blockbuster will add it to the other stores.

And if you knew anything about The Digital Bits, you'd know that Bill Hunt is nothing but a spokesperson for the BDA... hardly anyone that's objective on the subject.

And considering Circuit City has an exclusive deal with Toshiba, I doubt you'll see a huge shift to BD there anytime soon.

[PrimeBane]

Im waiting for the LG duel disk player to come way down in price. Then It wont matter to me with one dies as I will have a player that can play either disk.

Don't waste your money... wait until the Samsung player that comes out and get it on discount down the road.

[grif32]

Way to spread the FUD.

BD outsells HD DVD 2:1 currently and has for most of 2007 other than the major dry spell for HD DVD during March.

Current manufacturers behind HD DVD include Toshiba, Onyko, LG and Samsung with their dual players. And never forget the MS 360 HD DVD addon.

And Blockbuster is not going exclusive BD. They are only going BD only in their next expansion. Larger centers where the test stores are located will still rent both formats. And should the 70:30 rental shift more toward HD DVD you can bet Blockbuster will add it to the other stores.

And if you knew anything about The Digital Bits, you'd know that Bill Hunt is nothing but a spokesperson for the BDA... hardly anyone that's objective on the subject.

And considering Circuit City has an exclusive deal with Toshiba, I doubt you'll see a huge shift to BD there anytime soon.

Good post. I just get tired of the FUD from people who have no clue about the "War"

Chris

[JaylisJayP]

Dude, come on. Is Sony lining the pockets of everyone? Face it, HD-DVD is in trouble. Blu-Ray is outselling HD-DVD over 3 to 1. Blu-Ray has the backing/catelog of every studio except Universal while HD-DVD does NOT have the backing/catelog of Fox, Sony/Columbia, or Disney/Buena Vista. Nearly every major electronic manufactor makes Blu-Ray sets while only 2 make HD-DVD sets. The writing is on the wall. When a CEO of a major retailer indicates they are going strictly Blu-Ray because of the sales numbers, what does that tell you? As soon as a Best Buy or a Circuit City devotes all there shelf space to Blu-Ray, HD- DVD is done. Retailers WILL decide which format wins, and right now Blu-Ray is BY FAR outselling HD-DVD. In the end money talks and what sells gets the shelf space from retailers. There is a nice article from the folks over at thedigitalbits.com about this issue and how they could not recommend ANYONE gets into HD-DVD due to these issues. It's only a matter of time.

Not to keep this going any longer than it has to since there's already a highly intelligent separate thread on the board :) ...but two things are funny here. 1) How someone so ignorant can act as though he is so knowledgeable (I think a couple others here have already put you in your place, but seriously...read up on the format war and then think before you start spewing out your master plan for the demise of HD DVD and all your so-called supporting statistics.) And 2) How every blu-ray fanboy predicted HD DVD wouldn't last past this summer.

Here's the reality of it. HD DVD will continue to exist for the forseeable future. And it's also painfully transparent how many of those who seem happy about little bits of one-side news like blockbuster that seems to hurt HD DVD are seemingly only taking joy that HD DVD might fail and other consumers might somehow "lose money" because a format they supported died.

It's pathetic, juvenile and completely off base. I could never for the life of me understand why one person would side with one format or company over the other. Really, why? Blu-ray isn't a better deal, it's not a better format, and it doesn't have better movie selection. I own a PS3 and about 25 Blu-ray discs, and I can tell you the two formats are about the same...actually HD DVD has fantastic audio for the most part and still some smoother transfers (Coming to America a recent example).

They aren't great differences, but HD DVD is pretty stable. And Universal has deep catalog pockets to keep this going for a while. Plus, to a much lesser extent, Weinstein is HD DVD exclusive, as well. And Microsoft, which last time I looked was somewhat more influential than frickin Blockbuster...has an interest in seeing HD DVD live a little longer...even though they've said ultimately they'd prefer download, you can bet they don't want to see a Sony disc as the winner.

Honestly, I try very hard to find new blu-ray titles that I want to buy, but they're just not there. Blu-ray may be putting out more titles and still has the sales momentum, but they put out so many garbage movies...I mean so many...but the big #'s are the only thing someone like you can see, and can't see past.

But whatever, I'll continue to buy both and enjoy both while other people just talk or "wait for the winner." While you're waiting, I'll be tasting some new eye candy every week. You keep waiting for the safe call or the next best thing, you'll be waiting your whole life.

[Hanky Panky]

It's pathetic, juvenile and completely off base. I could never for the life of me understand why one person would side with one format or company over the other.

Maybe it amounts to the color. I feel like a pansy walking out with a red case so I'll settle for blue?

[PrimeBane]

It's not red... it's maroon. :p

[Hanky Panky]

Well...excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! ;)

[grif32]

Maybe it amounts to the color. I feel like a pansy walking out with a red case so I'll settle for blue?

You feel like a Pansy walking out with a Red case but having a name like Hanky Panky doesnt make you feel like a Pansy :D

I like the Blue Case better to be honest..

Chris

[Hanky Panky]

Hahahaha...well you got me there with the nick.

But seriously, I think there is something with the color blue and men's subconscious choices one must make.

I mean...would you buy a red pair of sneakers or blue? How about a mug, or a pair of socks or a silk thong? Think about it people!

[Eazy-D66]

Well that's the best and easiest answer to my question I could have hoped for. haha thanks.

[grif32]

Hahahaha...well you got me there with the nick.

But seriously, I think there is something with the color blue and men's subconscious choices one must make.

I mean...would you buy a red pair of sneakers or blue? How about a mug, or a pair of socks or a silk thong? Think about it people!

"Slowly throws out red silky thong"

[GPWYANKEE]

"Slowly throws out red silky thong"

Your not throwing out the one you got from that 300 pound Thruway attendent in Ohio are you?????:rolleyes: ;)

[grif32]

Your not throwing out the one you got from that 300 pound Thruway attendent in Ohio are you?????:rolleyes: ;)

Cmon man I was nice to the lady and thats it... I just said hi and that was it.

Chris

[GPWYANKEE]

Cmon man I was nice to the lady and thats it... I just said hi and that was it.

Chris


Yeah:rolleyes: :rolleyes: You said Hi:rolleyes: :rolleyes: You licked your lips and asked her "How You Doing"???

[supertim]

Not to keep this going any longer than it has to since there's already a highly intelligent separate thread on the board :) ...but two things are funny here. 1) How someone so ignorant can act as though he is so knowledgeable (I think a couple others here have already put you in your place, but seriously...read up on the format war and then think before you start spewing out your master plan for the demise of HD DVD and all your so-called supporting statistics.) And 2) How every blu-ray fanboy predicted HD DVD wouldn't last past this summer.

Here's the reality of it. HD DVD will continue to exist for the forseeable future. And it's also painfully transparent how many of those who seem happy about little bits of one-side news like blockbuster that seems to hurt HD DVD are seemingly only taking joy that HD DVD might fail and other consumers might somehow "lose money" because a format they supported died.

It's pathetic, juvenile and completely off base. I could never for the life of me understand why one person would side with one format or company over the other. Really, why? Blu-ray isn't a better deal, it's not a better format, and it doesn't have better movie selection. I own a PS3 and about 25 Blu-ray discs, and I can tell you the two formats are about the same...actually HD DVD has fantastic audio for the most part and still some smoother transfers (Coming to America a recent example).

They aren't great differences, but HD DVD is pretty stable. And Universal has deep catalog pockets to keep this going for a while. Plus, to a much lesser extent, Weinstein is HD DVD exclusive, as well. And Microsoft, which last time I looked was somewhat more influential than frickin Blockbuster...has an interest in seeing HD DVD live a little longer...even though they've said ultimately they'd prefer download, you can bet they don't want to see a Sony disc as the winner.

Honestly, I try very hard to find new blu-ray titles that I want to buy, but they're just not there. Blu-ray may be putting out more titles and still has the sales momentum, but they put out so many garbage movies...I mean so many...but the big #'s are the only thing someone like you can see, and can't see past.

But whatever, I'll continue to buy both and enjoy both while other people just talk or "wait for the winner." While you're waiting, I'll be tasting some new eye candy every week. You keep waiting for the safe call or the next best thing, you'll be waiting your whole life.


Agreed. Besides, I've seen HP computers equipped with HD-DVD drives, and I've yet to see one equipped with BR from Sony or Apple (which supports Blu-Ray, hence Disney). From a price point to the consumer and the manufacturer, HD-DVD is superior. Their marketing may not be fantastic, but people are buying HD-DVD (and BR) everyday. Honestly, the picture is nearly identical on titles from both formats. The audio on HD-DVD is killer, and to me, there's some intangible quality from HD-DVD that tells my brain the picture and sound is better than BR. That, and it'll be at least 2 years before any format winning or losing can be declared, imo.

[grif32]

I love these guys who jump in here with FUD once and never hear back again once they are proven wrong. LMAO

Chris

[Preditor74]

More bad news for HD-DVD...Starz Home Entertainment (also formally known as Anchor Bay) has now said they will be BluRay exclusive.:(

[Eazy-D66]

Any truth to the rumor that if blue Ray wins out that Microsoft will release another add-on drive? I have the HD one (got it for only 25 bones out of my own pocket thanks to old dvd's and blockbuster) but have refrained from buying a load of movies due to the war or whatever going on.

[PrimeBane]

MS has said it's not out of the question, but there are no current plans to release one.

[oaktown2000]

ok...if you are "in the know"...rate the following on 1-10

HD-DVD add on for the 360
Stand alone HD DVD player
PS3 Blu-Ray player
Stand alone Blu-Ray player

[PrimeBane]

Bang for your buck:
HD DVD addon - 9
Stand alone HD DVD - 8 (note: mainly the A2)
PS3 - 8
Stand alone BD player - 5 (up to a 6 when the new Sony player comes out next month)

PQ Quality:
HD DVD addon - 9
Stand alone HD DVD - 9
PS3 - 9
Stand alone BD player - 9

Next Gen Audio:
HD DVD addon - 2
Stand alone HD DVD - 7
PS3 - 9
Stand alone BD player - 9

If you're a cheapass like me and have a 360, the HD DVD player is the best way to get into HD movies IMO.

There's also a rumored price drop on the PS3 for this fall... that could be a great way to go especially if Blu-ray continues to get good news.

[oaktown2000]

Bang for your buck:
HD DVD addon - 9
Stand alone HD DVD - 8 (note: mainly the A2)
PS3 - 8
Stand alone BD player - 5 (up to a 6 when the new Sony player comes out next month)

PQ Quality:
HD DVD addon - 9
Stand alone HD DVD - 9
PS3 - 9
Stand alone BD player - 9

Next Gen Audio:
HD DVD addon - 2
Stand alone HD DVD - 7
PS3 - 9
Stand alone BD player - 9

If you're a cheapass like me and have a 360, the HD DVD player is the best way to get into HD movies IMO.

There's also a rumored price drop on the PS3 for this fall... that could be a great way to go especially if Blu-ray continues to get good news.


A PS3 seems like such an easy option...get a next-gen DVD player....and whenever a kickazz game comes out.....boom...you get a BONUS.

Only problem with that....my wife will not fall for the old "it's a High Def DVD player". She hears the word "playstation" and instantly thinks...Xbox 360 times two and flips out like a ninja.

Do you think it would be wise to ask for a PS3 as a 2 year anniversary present :p

[Hanky Panky]

If you're a cheapass like me and have a 360, the HD DVD player is the best way to get into HD movies IMO.

Yeah, that's my setup right now too. I primarily went that route for the movie selection...including my treasured Matrix trilogy set :)

[PrimeBane]

Do you think it would be wise to ask for a PS3 as a 2 year anniversary present :p

Just tell her "If you LOVE me, you'll buy me one..."

Then turn on the puppy dog eyes.

If Sony has any sort of common sense, the price drop will be $150... I think I'd bite the bullet at $450 US :)

[oaktown2000]

Just tell her "If you LOVE me, you'll buy me one..."

Then turn on the puppy dog eyes.

If Sony has any sort of common sense, the price drop will be $150... I think I'd bite the bullet at $450 US :)


LOL...I'd never use that technique....because it only opens the door for the good old reverse-technique. And she has more "wants" then I do :D

[PrimeBane]

Consider renting one then (do stores still rent the machines?)... rent Dead Man's Chest and let her watch. Maybe that will convice her?

[JaylisJayP]

Both my players are from the videogame systems...they're both good for my purposes, and most others I'd assume. Plus the add-on with the Circuit City coupon (if it still exists) is the cheapest way to get into HD DVD.

And...let's not forget....the PS3 has Mobile Suit Gundam!

[Hanky Panky]

I'm stoked for MGS4 for the PS3...the visuals on that badboy should be sweet.

Something I have been wondering about though...the hdmi output for video. I noticed some audio receivers now offer hdmi input?

How does that work then? If you plug the ps3 hdmi video into your HD-TV.

[PrimeBane]

I'm stoked for MGS4 for the PS3...the visuals on that badboy should be sweet.

Something I have been wondering about though...the hdmi output for video. I noticed some audio receivers now offer hdmi input?

How does that work then? If you plug the ps3 hdmi video into your HD-TV.

HDMI will carry audio as well as video. The receiver can then decode whatever format the audio is (DD 5.1, DTS, TrueHD, etc)

The receiver will also act and an HDMI switch. So if you have 3 HDMI devices (HD cablebox, HD DVD player, Blu-ray player) and only 1 HDMI input on your TV, you can connect the 3 devices to the receive and it will handle the audio and video inputs. :)

[meatgoat]

Both my players are from the videogame systems...they're both good for my purposes, and most others I'd assume. Plus the add-on with the Circuit City coupon (if it still exists) is the cheapest way to get into HD DVD.

And...let's not forget....the PS3 has Mobile Suit Gundam!

Same setup here as well. Well except the Gundam game. The only PS3 game I even have is Resistance.

You can't beat the add on for value. 10% off, King Kong and 2 other HD/DVD titles when you buy it at CC.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

MTV.com is having a sale $10 off your purchase when using Paypal.

http://shop.mtv.com/index.htm

Enter FREEMONEY code at checkout. In the search box type in blu-ray or hd dvd it also works on pre-orders as well. I picked up Van Wilder and Mallrats for $12.61 each with free UPS 3-day shipping. Go get'em guys!!!

[meatgoat]

$12 each? Is it $10 off per movie? Or the entire order?

[johnnyknoxsvill]

per order

[meatgoat]

So you had to have 2 paypal accounts? Or were you able to place 2 seperate orders with the same paypal account?

[JaylisJayP]

Same setup here as well. Well except the Gundam game. The only PS3 game I even have is Resistance.

You can't beat the add on for value. 10% off, King Kong and 2 other HD/DVD titles when you buy it at CC.


OK for the record, I don't actually own the Gundam game :D

I do, however, own 4 PS3 games, which is probably more than 90% of all PS3 owners.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

2 orders with the same account, ppl on avs fourm have like 10 orders or more on the same paypal account....lol

[meatgoat]

OK for the record, I don't actually own the Gundam game :D

I do, however, own 4 PS3 games, which is probably more than 90% of all PS3 owners.

I couldn't pick 4 if I tried. I already have Tiger and madden on the 360. I don't have any interest in any other titles.

2 orders with the same account, ppl on avs fourm have like 10 orders or more on the same paypal account....lol

Thanks for the info. I'm gonna grab both Pirates flicks.

[JaylisJayP]

i'm there now...i'm going to order at least 5 movies if that works for the separate orders.

[JaylisJayP]

at what point do you put in the checkout code?

[meatgoat]

Hmm. Everything I want so far is back ordered.

[JaylisJayP]

nevermind i found it

[meatgoat]

Is it after you're redirected to paypal Josh?

[meatgoat]

Nevermind. I read the small print and found it. :D

Hellboy for $12.66. Thank you sir.

[JaylisJayP]

no there's a button on the order review page that says "Add"...click that to enter the coupon.

[JaylisJayP]

Hellboy is a great choice.

So far all I picked up was Beerfest Blu-Ray for $12. I might do Ant Bully also.

[meatgoat]

I was debating buying the HD and BR Kevin Smith offerings but decided to pass since I have them all on dvd. I'm looking thru the preorders now. The site must be loaded though cause it's starting to really crawl.

[JaylisJayP]

I got Beerfest and Ant Bully ordered.

Went back for Assault on Precinct 13 and on the checkout they said the FREEMONEY code was now expired.

[JaylisJayP]

apparently they canceled ALL the orders for everyone.

[Hokies]

I should have ordered sooner. I saw your post but decided to take a shower. I was going to clean them up :)

[WingNut 25]

Need some help boys. In the past couple of months I've noticed a line traveling up the screen from bottom to top. It isn't terribly noticeable unless you look for it but it is there. Any idea what causes this and how I can get rid of it? My TV is a 56" Samsung 1080p DLP.

[PrimeBane]

Is it on the screen whether you're watching tv or a movie?

Is the line horizontal travelling up the screen?

[grif32]

Sounds like a Ground loop problem caused by the cable not being grounded corretly.

Does it happen during movies or jus watching TV

Chris

[JaylisJayP]

Anyone interested in The Last Samurai on HD DVD? It's opened but never watched.

I'd love to trade for Beerfest on either format, but am open to anything I don't have.

PM or post here, thanks.

[Xsao]

hey, I dont know what to get, vista or xp

Im asking people in here because I know to pla hd dvd or blu-ray you have to have vista.

so when do you think the blu and hd dvd players will be about 100 bucks for computers?

[PrimeBane]

$100? Maybe around Xmas if you're lucky. Otherwise probably not until 2008 sometime.

There's already an HD DVD drive for under $200.

[Hanky Panky]

The receiver will also act and an HDMI switch. So if you have 3 HDMI devices (HD cablebox, HD DVD player, Blu-ray player) and only 1 HDMI input on your TV, you can connect the 3 devices to the receive and it will handle the audio and video inputs. :)

I was wondering how that worked. So let me get this straight....

ps3 hdmi output...to...hdmi receiver.

hdmi receiver output...to...hdmi input HD-TV.

The receiver plays the ps3 hdmi audio AND the HD-TV is able to pull the signal from the receiver?!

That's damn cool.

[PrimeBane]

Yes sir :)

I've done the same with my old home theatre... I have 4 sources that come into my receiver via S-Video. The receiver does the switching and I only have 1 s-video cable out to the tv.

[someguy6000]

ok with the recent blockbuster blue-ray news is it still worth buying the HD-DVD add on for the xbox 360?

[Hanky Panky]

Yes sir :)

I've done the same with my old home theatre... I have 4 sources that come into my receiver via S-Video. The receiver does the switching and I only have 1 s-video cable out to the tv.

Thx for the info...I always wondered about the recent advertisements on these new receivers with HDMI and whether they could transfer the video signal without losing the clarity.

[oaktown2000]

ok with the recent blockbuster blue-ray news is it still worth buying the HD-DVD add on for the xbox 360?


lol....oh boy :D

[SBrooks1]

ok with the recent blockbuster blue-ray news is it still worth buying the HD-DVD add on for the xbox 360?

Yes because while it's a big thing for Blu-ray keep in mind it's only rentals. Sales will drive the success of these formats more than anything, not rentals.

[PrimeBane]

ok with the recent blockbuster blue-ray news is it still worth buying the HD-DVD add on for the xbox 360?

That is completely up to you.

I won't sugar coat it... things aren't looking great for HD DVD at the moment. The odds are very good that within 2 years the format will be pretty much dead for movies.

But, If you feel $200 (or less if you can find a good deal... try ebay as I'm sure some HD DVD owners have panicked and tried to sell their's off) is a small price to pay to enjoy HD movies on your HDtv, then go for it. No one says you have to buy movies. You can still rent them from online services and select Blockbuster locations.

And remember, if HD DVD dies out, the player and disks will still work. :)

[someguy6000]

lol....oh boy :D
yeah i already know it was picked as the worst HD-DVD player but i'm cheap if it works it works right:D

[oaktown2000]

no...not that.....yesterday was chock full of the "blockbuster decision" discussion

[someguy6000]

oh i just read the thread today. i'm new to this whole hd thing is there really a difference between blue-ray and HD? or is it just one company vs another with the same product

[PrimeBane]

or is it just one company vs another with the same product

DING DING DING DING DING

although BD does have more storage space on it.

[JaylisJayP]

yeah i already know it was picked as the worst HD-DVD player but i'm cheap if it works it works right:D

It works just fine. It's a good deal if you already have the 360. If you act now I think you can still get 2 free HD DVDs at either Best Buy or Circuit City (can't remember which one) in addition the King Kong HD DVD it already comes with.

[someguy6000]

DING DING DING DING DING

although BD does have more storage space on it.
what did i win scott:D

[PrimeBane]

hmmm... I have some pocket lint if you like :p

[someguy6000]

hmmm... I have some pocket lint if you like :p
mmmmmmm.....canadian pocket lint.....

[Hanky Panky]

I've got some belly lint to donate too.

[JaylisJayP]

Well, I didn't think I'd be someone to ask this question...but apparently I am.

I'm in the market for a 42" HDTV for my bedroom. At that size, does 720p/1080p matter?

Also, what exactly is contrast ratio?

[UK_DaNnY]

my warriors hd dvd got posted today :D. also ordered 300, hot fuzz shaun of the dead n dawn of the dead on hd. n species on blu-ray only 8.99 bargain :D

[WingNut 25]

Is it on the screen whether you're watching tv or a movie?

Is the line horizontal travelling up the screen?

Notice it during both TV and movies. It is a horizontal line traveling bottom to top.

[WingNut 25]

I wouldn't worry too much about HD DVD dying off and getting "stuck" with a player. Like PB said, it'll still play your movies you do have. I haven't purchased much in terms of HD DVD movies as I'm still wanting to pick up a Blu Ray player of some sort and I don't want to replace movies I already have.

[meatgoat]

apparently they canceled ALL the orders for everyone.

Mine wasn't cancelled. :confused:

[JaylisJayP]

Mine wasn't cancelled. :confused:

yeah i guess it was just those who ordered more than 1 to take advantage...including me.

[PrimeBane]

Well, I didn't think I'd be someone to ask this question...but apparently I am.

I'm in the market for a 42" HDTV for my bedroom. At that size, does 720p/1080p matter?

Also, what exactly is contrast ratio?

At 42" 720p or 768p will do you just fine.

Contrast ratio is the difference between the brightest brights and the darkest darks a tv can display. The hight the ratio, the better. 10,000:1 is what you should be looking at for most tvs if not better.

[PrimeBane]

Sounds like a Ground loop problem caused by the cable not being grounded corretly.

Does it happen during movies or jus watching TV

Chris

Notice it during both TV and movies. It is a horizontal line traveling bottom to top.

Chris has the answer... it's a ground loop problem.

The most common occurance is if you've pluged a 2 prong electronic device into a 3 prong surge protector. Or if you have cable, it could be the cable line isn't properly grounded.

Google ground loop and you'll find several solutions. :)

[captain_narcolepsy]

here's a 20% off sale on hd-dvd and bluray from warner. go to the link below and to your left is a 15% off sale link.

http://whv.warnerbros.com/WHVPORTAL/Portal/homepage.jsp

it's already 15% off and free shipping. enter coupon code wbwel and it will make it 20% off. good till june 30th. got corpse bride, charlie and the choc factory, unforgiven, superman 2, and the departed for 93 bucks

[captain_narcolepsy]

anyone else picking up anything? amazon also has a few hd and blu-rau titles for 17.99 some decent stuff, too

[grif32]

At that size you will probably see ZERO difference between 720p/1080P.

Get a nice Plasma and hang it on the wall. Thats what I have in my bedroom a 42" Panasonic Plamsa.

Good luck so much to choose from now adays.

Chris

Well, I didn't think I'd be someone to ask this question...but apparently I am.

I'm in the market for a 42" HDTV for my bedroom. At that size, does 720p/1080p matter?

Also, what exactly is contrast ratio?

[WingNut 25]

Thanks boys. I will look into it more this weekend when I have some free time.

[GPWYANKEE]

Planet Earth HD and The Road Warrior made it home but my Toshiba still needs the firmware update before i can watch them:(

[grif32]

Planet Earth HD and The Road Warrior made it home but my Toshiba still needs the firmware update before i can watch them:(

Have you tried them without the FW update?? Like I said you can burn the the download to a disc from the toshiba website then update your player

Hopefully you get you disc soon

Chris

[JaylisJayP]

At that size you will probably see ZERO difference between 720p/1080P.

Get a nice Plasma and hang it on the wall. Thats what I have in my bedroom a 42" Panasonic Plamsa.

Good luck so much to choose from now adays.

Chris

How does your Plasma look with a SD cable picture? And what about the burn-in and running hot compared to LCD issues?

Sorry, I don't know much about Plasma compared to other sets.

[PrimeBane]

Plasma with SD is dependant on the orginal signal. Some looks very good, some looks very soft and washed out.

Burn-in is a non factor unless you plan on leaving the tv on a channel with a stock or sports ticker all day. You will want to stretch your 4:3 content to fill up the screen though to minimize wear.

Heat on a tv that size shouldn't be a problem either... it's the bigger ones (65" and up) that can heat a room by themselves sometimes.

[grif32]

How does your Plasma look with a SD cable picture? And what about the burn-in and running hot compared to LCD issues?

Sorry, I don't know much about Plasma compared to other sets.

SD pics look ok. But my problem is any SD now sucks because I watch so much HD..

My plasma is 5 years old with ZERO burn in and I gamed on it for a long time. Doesnt run hot at all and the fan is completely silent.

I prefer my 42"Plamsa to my 50" LCD and day...

Chris

[JaylisJayP]

Thanks for the help guys....I keep thinking back to DLP, though. Even though it's a bit deeper...you get so much more for your money. Am I stupid? I mean, I know I'm stupid...but in this particular instance, am I stupid?

I have a Toshiba 62" DLP and love it...and that's one that's 2 years old already with 720p. Any new DLP would be 1080p and at least 46".

[PrimeBane]

It's a personal preference I've found.

IMO DLPs don't produce as true an image and color as a Plasma (and most experts agree). But if you're more than happy with DLP I say go for it and save a few bucks. :)

Plus the piss poor viewing angles on DLP drive me nuts.

[JaylisJayP]

i don't seem to be able to find a 1080p DLP at 46" so that may be out of the equation.

Back to the stores to take a closer look!

[grif32]

Plus now you will be replacing bulds in 2 tv's every few years.

[GPWYANKEE]

Have you tried them without the FW update?? Like I said you can burn the the download to a disc from the toshiba website then update your player

Hopefully you get you disc soon

Chris

Do you have a link for the website Chris????

[PrimeBane]

Just plug your internet into the A2... you'll have the update soon enough :)

[grif32]

Just plug your internet into the A2... you'll have the update soon enough :)

Already suggested that but its in a cabinet and a pain to keep unplugging and plugging back in.

Trying to find the thread about Garth on the avsforum

Chris

[GPWYANKEE]

Just plug your internet into the A2... you'll have the update soon enough :)


Not that easy-Ill have to burn the update onto a disc then load it.

[PrimeBane]

Crappy... oh well, hopefully the disk arrives soon. :)

[PrimeBane]

Well, if you're feeling brave, he's a link to the updates online.

http://209.167.114.38/support/ceg/downloads/#

It is the Tosh Canada site, but I doubt that should matter.

[grif32]

Well, if you're feeling brave, he's a link to the updates online.

http://209.167.114.38/support/ceg/downloads/#

It is the Tosh Canada site, but I doubt that should matter.

Its very easy all you do is plug the A2 into your PC and download.

*****MAKE SURE THERE IS NO DISC IN THE TRAY BEFOR THE DOWNLOAD****

cHRIS

[JaylisJayP]

Man, There are some great deals on some DLP's out there..it's hard to pass up. Plus these 3-year warranties cover bulbs.

[Hanky Panky]

I'd research the lifespan of a bulb before ploppin down $$$$ on warranties.

[PrimeBane]

Man, There are some great deals on some DLP's out there..it's hard to pass up. Plus these 3-year warranties cover bulbs.

I supposed you could look at the new LED DLPs... pretty sure the blubs don't burn out on them (or they have a much longer life).

[Hanky Panky]

For the record...I must say PrimeBane's is tha man when it comes to this stuff.

I wish I could trade my knowledge in thongs & bikinis for an ounce of his technical knowledge/expertise.

[JaylisJayP]

Actually I'm sliding back toward wanting a 46-50" Plasma.

So, once and for all..and I guess this is somewhat on thread topic since I'll be utilizing a blu-ray player. Do I need to go 1080p or am I cool with 720/768p?

[PrimeBane]

For the price, stick with 720p/768p. IMO for the price I don't think it's worth it yet to jump to 1080p even at 50".

Plus the 1080p plasmas are fist gen and the contrast ratios are said to not be as good as the 720p/768p panels. I'm sure the 1080p panels are still pretty sweet, but I'm always a little leary of 1st gen stuff.

[JaylisJayP]

thanks for the advice...it's helping.

[JaylisJayP]

Primebane....2 more questions for you regarding Plasmas.

1 - Does the lower resolution bother you? (Isn't it 1024x720)...as opposed to LCD's 1366x768.

2 - Does the "contant fading" bother you? I mean....I know the half-life point where you'd want to replace the TV is something like 30,000 hours, but is a plasma TV in theory constantly dimming?

Thanks!

[PrimeBane]

No, the lower res doesn't bother me at all... the picture is still amazing. If anything, it does help my standard def look a little better.

Yes, a plasma is constantly dimming, but it happens so very slowly that you'll never notice. Chris has had his plasma longer so he's probably a better source on the subject.

Dimming is always in the back of my mind, but the new plasmas are supposed to be good for 60,000 hours. It's not something I loose sleep over.

[JaylisJayP]

what are your thoughts on this one?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2276661&sku=P333-5016

[PrimeBane]

An awesome tv... wish I had that one.

Basically the same panel I have only at 50". And the 600 series has a few extra bells and whistles.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Just a heads up guys im gonna be getting rid of a few titles from BD and HD-dvd keep your eye out. All will be $15 +S

[JaylisJayP]

what are your guys feelings on extended warranties on those TVs? Necessary for a Plasma, or would the Panasonic factory warranty suffice?

[PrimeBane]

Panasonic makes a terrific product and they stand behind their plasmas with their concierge service

http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vPlasmaConciergeHomePage

I had a SINGLE dead pixel on my first plasma and called up the Canadian service. They sent out a tech to check it out. Two weeks later I had a brand new tv. :D This was all within the first year of warranty.

Personally I wouldn't bother. I believe Panasonic also sells their own extended warranty that you can buy up to a year after you purchase if you're felling nervous.

You could also buy the tv with a credit card that doubles the manufacturer's warranty. That's what I did.

[JaylisJayP]

cool, i'm also looking at this one since i can get it cheap from Wal-Mart...any big difference from the Panasonic? Or is the Panasonic that much better?

50PFP5332D Phillips

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5633687#Specifications

[PrimeBane]

IMO Panasonic is just that much better. Pioneer is tops in plasmas, but they tend to be pretty pricey. Panasonic is right behind them quality wise.

Philips doesn't make their panels... I'm not sure who they buy them from.

[JaylisJayP]

cool, i think i'm getting the Panasonic...just need to find out where now. Checking out all these Web sites and seeing who's authorized, etc...

[someguy6000]

ok since PB seems to be in the know about HD :D
question
for my small budget what/who is the best price/quality for a flat panel LCD? thinking 42" to 50" screen

[grif32]

I havent noticed any dimming on my plama at all going on 5years. I know the picture has improved 100% over the years thats for sure. SD is watchable.

HD is still Bright and colorful. Better then my 50" LCD HD pic.

Pioneer is the best but like PB very pricey. Stick with panasonic and I wouldnt purchase an extended warranty

1080P is SO overhyped. If you dont have a 100" screen then its not worth it..

Chris

[grif32]

ok since PB seems to be in the know about HD :D
question
for my small budget what/who is the best price/quality for a flat panel LCD? thinking 42" to 50" screen

How small of a buget?? Right now I think the Toshiba Regza (sp?) LCD is one sweet LCD TV with 3 HDMI connections.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=blended&field-keywords=toshiba%20regza&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_blended_25391324_2&results-process=default.

Go to your Local Circuit City most have this TV hooked up to a toshiba A-2 HD DVD player. WOW!!!

Chris

[JaylisJayP]

Got my HD DVD copy of T2 last night...woohoo! Definitely watching that one this weekend.

[someguy6000]

How small of a buget?? Right now I think the Toshiba Regza (sp?) LCD is one sweet LCD TV with 3 HDMI connections.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=blended&field-keywords=toshiba%20regza&results-process=default&dispatch=search/ref=pd_sl_aw_tops-1_blended_25391324_2&results-process=default.

Go to your Local Circuit City most have this TV hooked up to a toshiba A-2 HD DVD player. WOW!!!

Chris
around the 1,500 2,000 mark less if possible.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-42HL167-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000MXYD0I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/102-3795159-3188928?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182525697&sr=8-5
or even
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-42HL67-720p-HDTV/dp/B000MY39HK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-3795159-3188928?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182525697&sr=8-2

i am just looking for a good HD set that won't give me problems with hooking up my ps2 and my xbox 360.

[PrimeBane]

Go 50" if you can... I went 42" and I do regret it a bit now.

The Toshibas are nice tvs, but also take a good look at the Sonys, Sharps and Samsungs if you're for sure going with LCD.

If you go 42" don't worry about 1080p at all. If you go 50" you could consider it, but I don't think you'd see a huge difference.

[PrimeBane]

Got my HD DVD copy of T2 last night...woohoo! Definitely watching that one this weekend.

Awesome! I'm really hoping my copy shows up today. :)

[JaylisJayP]

Well...I jumped in and bought that Panasonic!!!!! Went with Vanns.com since they were top notch for customer service and they are one of the few Panasonic authorized online dealers, which I felt was important.

As a bonus, this was included for free.

Harmony H659BLK - Universal Remote Control

I don't really know anything about these remotes...can i control my 360 HD-DVD add-on with it?

[PrimeBane]

You should be able to... I use the 628 and it works with the 360 and addon just fine. :)

[someguy6000]

i am for sure going with LCD i'm just not sure on the screen size mainly is it worth the money for another 7"

[meatgoat]

Well...I jumped in and bought that Panasonic!!!!! Went with Vanns.com since they were top notch for customer service and they are one of the few Panasonic authorized online dealers, which I felt was important.

As a bonus, this was included for free.

Harmony H659BLK - Universal Remote Control

I don't really know anything about these remotes...can i control my 360 HD-DVD add-on with it?

Yep. I have a couple of the 676's. I love them. They work with everything I own except the PS3 with it being bluetooth and all.

[grif32]

i am for sure going with LCD i'm just not sure on the screen size mainly is it worth the money for another 7"

Depends how far you are sitting back.

Samsung is another nice LCD

[JaylisJayP]

Question for all the regulars here....should I change the Thread topic name to something like this to include all HD discussion, or is that too broad?

High Definition Discussion Thread - Blu-Ray, HD DVD, HDTV, etc...

[PrimeBane]

Might be a good idea the way things have gone the last couple of days...

[meatgoat]

I have a question. My dad is looking for a tv for his bedroom. He wants to keep it under a grand. Are there any good tv's in that price range he can hang on his wall? I think he's looking for in the 37" to 42" size range.

[JaylisJayP]

There are a good # of 720p TVs in that price range in both LCD and Plasma...you might turn your nose up at the idea but a good starting place might be Wal-Mart...just make sure you don't get one of the ones with a really crappy contrast ratio.

[meatgoat]

I actually suggested he look at Walmart. Mainly because the tv is for his house in Tennessee not the one in Wellington. The only place close to him that sells tv's is Walmart. Problem is he said none of them looked good. I haven't a clue what he's basing that on.

[MofoEd]

around the 1,500 2,000 mark less if possible.
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-42HL167-1080p-HDTV/dp/B000MXYD0I/ref=pd_bbs_sr_5/102-3795159-3188928?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182525697&sr=8-5
or even
http://www.amazon.com/Toshiba-REGZA-42HL67-720p-HDTV/dp/B000MY39HK/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/102-3795159-3188928?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1182525697&sr=8-2

i am just looking for a good HD set that won't give me problems with hooking up my ps2 and my xbox 360.
I have this exact Toshiba @ home. Love it. Love the 3 HDMI inputs. I don't have a PS3 (yet) but do have the Elite.
I have pics of the TV here with MLB2k7 (360 Elite) playing here:
http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359775&page=4

[Lord Magneto]

Depends how far you are sitting back.

Samsung is another nice LCD


I have a 46" samsung 1080p lcd tv that my gf bought for me for xmas... it was about 2200 on sale... we have yet to see it that low in price since xmas...

It really is a kickass tv though... oh and fyi your tv can never be to big.

[MofoEd]

oh and fyi your tv can never be to big.

I 2nd that notion :D

[freezerfuel]

What is the difference between a HD Ready TV and a HD TV? It is my understanding that a HD Ready TV means it just won't do 1020p, but it will do 1020i... reason I ask is I have a 52" HD Ready TV.

Too bad it doesn't have an HDMI input, I'd like an upconverter for my DVD's. :rolleyes:

[PrimeBane]

I think (and don't quote me) that the HDtv ready doesn't have an HD tuner on it so you couldn't get over the air signals, but an HDtv does.

It's really not a big deal as most people have an HD Cable or Satellite box for their HD needs.

[someguy6000]

I have this exact Toshiba @ home. Love it. Love the 3 HDMI inputs. I don't have a PS3 (yet) but do have the Elite.
I have pics of the TV here with MLB2k7 (360 Elite) playing here:
http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359775&page=4
that looks great about what i am looking for as for how far back i am sitting it is only about 5 feet i agree that you can never have to big of a screen but i only have so much room and money :(

[PrimeBane]

If you're only sitting 5 feet back a 42" tv will do you just fine.

[grif32]

I have a 46" samsung 1080p lcd tv that my gf bought for me for xmas... it was about 2200 on sale... we have yet to see it that low in price since xmas...

It really is a kickass tv though... oh and fyi your tv can never be to big.

I agree I am trying to go 60" but GF says no way

chris

[grif32]

What is the difference between a HD Ready TV and a HD TV? It is my understanding that a HD Ready TV means it just won't do 1020p, but it will do 1020i... reason I ask is I have a 52" HD Ready TV.

Too bad it doesn't have an HDMI input, I'd like an upconverter for my DVD's. :rolleyes:

You can upscale your DVD's over component... Oppo makes really nice one's You dont need HDMI

chris

[PrimeBane]

You can upscale your DVD's over component... Oppo makes really nice one's You dont need HDMI

chris

I believe that's just if the disk doesn't have CSS protection. Any DVD with CSS protection is not supposed to upconvert over component.

That is unless the player is hacked.

[freezerfuel]

Thanks for the info.

Not too crazy about buying a player and hacking it, I'd probably do something wrong... but do you know if it's hard to do? Would I have to hack it everytime I turn it on? (I'm guessing hacking means punching a weird code in the remote control, not opening up the system and playing around with it's guts)

[PrimeBane]

Does your TV have a DVI input?

[freezerfuel]

Nope. :( Component or S-Video *shudder* only.

[PrimeBane]

That's unfortunate :(

I believe some of the early Samsung upconverting players were hackable... if you could find one of those on ebay... You only hack them once and I believe it's a matter of accessing the service menu once to make the changes. But don't quote me on that as I've never done it.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Ok guys here is a list of HD and BD movies Im selling. All are $15 + shipping.

HD-DVD

V for Vendetta - Hokies
The Thing

BD

Dejavu - Hokies
Apocalypto - jmcc000
Reservoir dogs - jmcc000
First Blood
Primeval
Hellboy - jmcc000
The Messenger
Ghost Rider

[freezerfuel]

That's unfortunate :(

I believe some of the early Samsung upconverting players were hackable... if you could find one of those on ebay... You only hack them once and I believe it's a matter of accessing the service menu once to make the changes. But don't quote me on that as I've never done it.

Cool, thanks. I just looked into those Oppo's and they sound like a good deal, I'm going to look into one of them first... if I can hack either one only once and not have to worry about doing it again then I'll probably get one. I'd look into getting a new TV with HDMI instead but this one's only a year old and barely broken in.

[Hokies]

Ok guys here is a list of HD and BD movies Im selling. All are $15 + shipping.

HD-DVD

V for Vendetta
The Thing

BD

Dejavu
Apocalypto
Reservoir dogs
First Blood
Primeval
Hellboy
The Messenger
Ghost Rider

I will take Dejavu and V for Vendetta.

[JaylisJayP]

Prime....you should be pleased with T2 when you get it. I give it a 4.1/5 for PQ on average, but it swings higher and lower in different scenes.

Audio is pretty good, too. This is on the director's cut.

[PrimeBane]

Yeah, I watched the first 5 minutes or so and the PQ seemed pretty good.

Although I had a little trouble with the sound. My center channel seemed quite low so I cranked it up right before the T-800 crushes the skull... I think my dog nearly crapped herself :D

I think we'll watch T2 and T3 tomorrow night :)

[JaylisJayP]

heh...i was thinking the same thing with going straight to T3 after this.

[Karnis]

Hey guys, cool thread! I'm a long time HT enthusiast, former installer and HDTV/ PC nut....check a couple of the links in my sig for more pics & such...currently using a Mits HD1000u 720p PJ throwing a 70" image on a DIY screen...DirecTV, HD-HTPC, HD DVD/X box 360 & Sony Blu Ray for sources, large 5.1 speaker setup....& a former moderator at the TheaterTek DVD & AVS HTPC forums as well!

[JaylisJayP]

Highdefdigest finally got around to reviewing the Running Scared HD DVD import....guy didn't like the movie (I personally thought it was good) but gave it high marks for PQ and AQ.

[MPCanes]

First order from DDD sale showed up today - only Bullitt in the order HD wise. Still waiting for Corpse Bride to ship.

Ugh, starting to pile up an HD-DVD backlog, promised I wouldn't let backlog happen again.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Ok guys here is a list of HD and BD movies Im selling. All are $15 + shipping.

HD-DVD

V for Vendetta - Hokies
The Thing
Van Helsing

BD

Dejavu - Hokies
Apocalypto - jmcc000
Reservoir dogs - jmcc000
First Blood
Primeval
Hellboy - jmcc000
The Messenger
Ghost Rider


Here is an updated list

[GPWYANKEE]

Got a nice deal yesterday from my kids girlfriend-She bought Phantom of The Opera on HD by accident and had opened it.She doesnt have a HD Machine so she traded it to me for my regular Phantom.Works for me.

[grif32]

Thats why I said the Oppo which can be hacked via the remote. Its just a onetime thing and heard is was very simple.
I believe that's just if the disk doesn't have CSS protection. Any DVD with CSS protection is not supposed to upconvert over component.

That is unless the player is hacked.

[grif32]

I bet that happens alot. Nice pickup. I heard it has amazing PQ
Got a nice deal yesterday from my kids girlfriend-She bought Phantom of The Opera on HD by accident and had opened it.She doesnt have a HD Machine so she traded it to me for my regular Phantom.Works for me.

[GPWYANKEE]

I bet that happens alot. Nice pickup. I heard it has amazing PQ



You are one sick bastage;)

[MPCanes]

Anyone here own "The Searchers"? Think that is my next purchase, another blind buy but I love gorgeously restored classics.

[GPWYANKEE]

Just won a sweet HD Auction off the bay

V For Vendetta
Van Helsing
Fast and Furious Tokoyo Drift

37.00 plus 3.95 shipping

[JaylisJayP]

Anyone here own "The Searchers"? Think that is my next purchase, another blind buy but I love gorgeously restored classics.

i do own it but have not opened it yet...i hear it looks amazing, though.

[OzCollecta]

My HDTV 1080P 46" Sony Bravia.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z81/DasKardinal/DSCF2030.jpg

[freezerfuel]

I'm really pissed off at myself right now.

After deciding not to jump into these format wars and even though I think there's a really good chance they will not catch on with the general public I might go HD. If I do I'm almost 100% I'll go Blu-ray, which means I need a player..... and a new reciever.... and since this TV is still new but does not have HDMI I can justify this in my mind by getting a projector for the basement and have the big screen upstairs for general use, and oh hell I need better speakers too, why not. Not gonna sell or replace any DVD's but once I hook up I'll continue buying new releases in HD except for stuff that won't be coming out in HD for a long ass time.

I hate wanting the best for my movies. *sigh*

Anyone know if there are any Blu-ray players that are good up-converters too?

[JaylisJayP]

My HDTV 1080P 46" Sony Bravia.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z81/DasKardinal/DSCF2030.jpg

very nice, you can easily see how vibrant it is through the picture.

[JaylisJayP]

I'm really pissed off at myself right now.

After deciding not to jump into these format wars and even though I think there's a really good chance they will not catch on with the general public I might go HD. If I do I'm almost 100% I'll go Blu-ray, which means I need a player..... and a new reciever.... and since this TV is still new but does not have HDMI I can justify this in my mind by getting a projector for the basement and have the big screen upstairs for general use, and oh hell I need better speakers too, why not. Not gonna sell or replace any DVD's but once I hook up I'll continue buying new releases in HD except for stuff that won't be coming out in HD for a long ass time.

I hate wanting the best for my movies. *sigh*

Anyone know if there are any Blu-ray players that are good up-converters too?

I'm not the authority on this, but there aren't that many different blu-ray players on the market yet. However, the PS3 now upconverts and is a blu-ray player...and from my limited experience it does a nice job of upconverting.

[civictyperboy]

The new Sony BDPS300 is a good up-converter as well as the best all around Blu-ray player other than the PS3 right now, with a firmware upgrade the PS3 converts as well, however not that good, but rumor has it that sony wants to up the converting power by 30-40%

[Lord Magneto]

I agree I am trying to go 60" but GF says no way

chris


haha my gf bought my 46" for me... and she was just saying the other day she wished we could trade it in and pay the extra for a 50"

[GPWYANKEE]

I ended up with the 50 Inch myself,To go to 55 or 58 Inches was another $1500.Just didnt make sense,Im pretty happy with my set,perfect size for the room its in.

[JaylisJayP]

when i was looking for a TV for my bedroom this past week I had no intention of going larger than 42"...I figured that would be large enough. Then I saw the different sizes in the stores (hadn't shopped for TV's in a while)...and that helped sway me up to a 50". I think I would've regretted anything smaller...especially since it'll be my last TV upgrade for a long time.

[supertim]

My HDTV 1080P 46" Sony Bravia.
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z81/DasKardinal/DSCF2030.jpg

Is yours a KDL46XBR2? I have the KDL40XBR2 and love the **** out of it!!! That's our bedroom tv. My wife actually said, "let's get a 50 inch for the living room next year":eek::eek::D:D:):):cool::cool: That's why I married her, because she rocks!

[PrimeBane]

Hey guys, cool thread! I'm a long time HT enthusiast, former installer and HDTV/ PC nut....check a couple of the links in my sig for more pics & such...currently using a Mits HD1000u 720p PJ throwing a 70" image on a DIY screen...DirecTV, HD-HTPC, HD DVD/X box 360 & Sony Blu Ray for sources, large 5.1 speaker setup....& a former moderator at the TheaterTek DVD & AVS HTPC forums as well!

Welcome aboard. :) Now we know who to come to for install advice.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Hey guys Im going to Vegas and I'm getting rid of some movies and other stuff. Take alook lots of HD movies

http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=397620

[freezerfuel]

The new Sony BDPS300 is a good up-converter as well as the best all around Blu-ray player other than the PS3 right now, with a firmware upgrade the PS3 converts as well, however not that good, but rumor has it that sony wants to up the converting power by 30-40%

I was leaning towards getting a dedicated Blu-ray player since I don't really play many video games anymore but if the PS3 continues to upgrade with free firmware that's pretty cool. I love the look of the BDPS300.

[freezerfuel]

Damn, so if a HD player (either one) is hooked up via Component it will only output 480p... or can it at least go 720p on a HD TV?

[PrimeBane]

No... you can get up to 1080p with component for HD content... you just can't upconvert DVDs past 480p.

[freezerfuel]

No... you can get up to 1080p with component for HD content... you just can't upconvert DVDs past 480p.

Are you kidding me? That the best news I've heard all week. That pretty much means I don't need to upgrade my TV then, awesome.

Thanks for all the info guys.

[PrimeBane]

np :)

[oaktown2000]

lol Scott....I don't think I've heard that much swearing in a game EVER. I doubt you could hear me...but everytime you went into a tirade....I was giggling :D I admit though...that last game was terrible and it was crazy how one shot would put us out and yet 4-5 wouldn't even down them.

[OzCollecta]

Mine is the KDL-46X2000 Model

[PrimeBane]

lol Scott....I don't think I've heard that much swearing in a game EVER. I doubt you could hear me...but everytime you went into a tirade....I was giggling :D I admit though...that last game was terrible and it was crazy how one shot would put us out and yet 4-5 wouldn't even down them.

:o

That was a week's worth of pent up rage from work.

Thank god after this week I have a week off. :)

[PrimeBane]

For anyone interested in HD DVD imports of BD titles, HDaddicts.com has two on sale.

The Prestige
http://www.hdaddicts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=667

Underworld Evolution
http://www.hdaddicts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=590

[grif32]

You are one sick bastage;)

??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

[GPWYANKEE]

??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

I thought you were inferring i get alot of SWEET deals form Kyles girlfriend:o :o

[GPWYANKEE]

For anyone interested in HD DVD imports of BD titles, HDaddicts.com has two on sale.

The Prestige
http://www.hdaddicts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=667

Underworld Evolution
http://www.hdaddicts.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=590


With the imports are you forced to have subtitles across the screen if you pick English as the language??

[GPWYANKEE]

Does Amazon or DDD carry any of the HD Imports??Just curious if theyre available cheaper anywhere else.

[grif32]

I thought you were inferring i get alot of SWEET deals form Kyles girlfriend:o :o

Oh lol. I meant I think people pick up HD DVD's thinking they are DVD's.

LOL

[JaylisJayP]

With the imports are you forced to have subtitles across the screen if you pick English as the language??

Most of them do not force subtitles....one that does is T2 French Import, but only on the theatrical version, not the directors cut.

I also own Running Scared German import and there are no forced subtitles.

[JaylisJayP]

Does Amazon or DDD carry any of the HD Imports??Just curious if theyre available cheaper anywhere else.

Xploited Cinema and HDAddicts are the cheapest I know of...and both have reasonable shipping. Xploited I believe is out of Ohio, and HDAddicts is in Calgary, so you'll get the movie quicker through Xploited if you live in the U.S.

I don't think DDD carries the imports. The foreign Amazon versions do, I think, but I don't know how to get to those pages and I'd imagine shipping is ******ed through them.

[GPWYANKEE]

Xploited Cinema and HDAddicts are the cheapest I know of...and both have reasonable shipping. Xploited I believe is out of Ohio, and HDAddicts is in Calgary, so you'll get the movie quicker through Xploited if you live in the U.S.

I don't think DDD carries the imports. The foreign Amazon versions do, I think, but I don't know how to get to those pages and I'd imagine shipping is ******ed through them.


Thanks for the info-Im definately getting the Underworld Import and T2 Import

[GPWYANKEE]

That Xploited website has alot of neat Imports and info.

[PrimeBane]

There's lots of cool imports for HD DVD... even BD will have some before long (Children of Men anyone?)

Gotta love the whole region free thing :D

[PrimeBane]

I was surfing one of my other HD board today and came across a story about a gentleman that bought a $6000 Pioneer plasma.

It seems this gentleman didn't do his homework before purchasing and watched a pile of 4:3 standard def tv and thus burn-in occured.

So a few reminders for those that have bought PLASMAS or plan to.

1. Make sure you take the tv off "Torch Mode". This is normally the factory setting that the tv comes with. Often it's called "vivid". Turn it to a lower level.

2. You should "break-in" your plasma. Basically this means you should turn down all the settings for the first 100 hours and try to avoid any static objects on the screen for long periods of time. So if you have a 360 and you're a Hexic addict you'll have to go without for a while. (Note: some say you don't need to break in a plasma... but if you've just paid a small fortune for your new toy, isn't it better to be safe than sorry). Once the 100 hours is over you can start tweaking with brightness, contrast, etc. Or if you're really gung-ho, get your plasma professionally calibrated.

3. Stretch mode your 4:3 content to fill the entire screen. Yes, it does look strange, but you'll get used to it and it will save you burn-in in the long run. I believe the setting for most tvs is "fill".

4. Just be smart... don't leave the tv on a channel with a "ticker" for long periods of time. Burn-in occurs over time and the more those images stay on, the quicker it will burn into your screen. If you treat your plasma properly, you'll never have to worth about burn-in. :)

[Xsao]

this is about computers (didn't want to make a whole thread)

which is better DVI or VGA?

thanks!

[PrimeBane]

DVI

[captain_narcolepsy]

got five more movies in today

feast, lucky number slevin, and clerks 2 from amazon for $17.99 each
sleepy hollow and fearless from deep discount (used the extra 20% discount that was going on. hollow was around 17 and fearless was 22.)

now just waiting on constantine, fear and loathing..., and slither from deep discount and about five more from the wb website.

[PrimeBane]

It's damn addictive isn't it? :D

[captain_narcolepsy]

yes indeed. i'm hoping i can find black snake moan for cheap tomorrow, but not counting on it

[JaylisJayP]

I was surfing one of my other HD board today and came across a story about a gentleman that bought a $6000 Pioneer plasma.

It seems this gentleman didn't do his homework before purchasing and watched a pile of 4:3 standard def tv and thus burn-in occured.

So a few reminders for those that have bought plasmas or plan to.

1. Make sure you take the tv off "Torch Mode". This is normally the factory setting that the tv comes with. Often it's called "vivid". Turn it to a lower level.

2. You should "break-in" your plasma. Basically this means you should turn down all the settings for the first 100 hours and try to avoid any static objects on the screen for long periods of time. So if you have a 360 and you're a Hexic addict you'll have to go without for a while. (Note: some say you don't need to break in a plasma... but if you've just paid a small fortune for your new toy, isn't it better to be safe than sorry). Once the 100 hours is over you can start tweaking with brightness, contrast, etc. Or if you're really gung-ho, get your plasma professionally calibrated.

3. Stretch mode your 4:3 content to fill the entire screen. Yes, it does look strange, but you'll get used to it and it will save you burn-in in the long run. I believe the setting for most tvs is "fill".

4. Just be smart... don't leave the tv on a channel with a "ticker" for long periods of time. Burn-in occurs over time and the more those images stay on, the quicker it will burn into your screen. If you treat your plasma properly, you'll never have to worth about burn-in. :)

Very helpful...especially since I have the 50" Panasonic plasma coming Wednesday! My first plasma TV ever.

[JaylisJayP]

Heads up for BLU RAY and HD DVD owners.

BarnesandNoble.com has a buy 2 get 1 free sale on DVDs, Blu Ray and HD DVDs...select titles. They also have very good prices on some of the movies being released this week.

I picked up 3 HD DVDs...Big Lebowski, Mallrats and Army of Darkness re-issue, with free expedited shipping for $48 dlvd. There's also a code to get 10% off the most expensive title, but I can't remember what it is off the top of my head...however there's a post on AVSforum HD DVD software area that has a thread about it with the code.

Just when I think I'm out...they PULLLLL me back in.

[JaylisJayP]

yes indeed. i'm hoping i can find black snake moan for cheap tomorrow, but not counting on it

black snake is part of the barnesandnoble.com deal for both formats if you're interested.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Any intrest in these movies

HD-DVD Movies

Van Helsing
The Thing
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Happy Feet
Smallville S5
The Hitcher

Blu-Ray Movies

First Blood
Basic Instinct
Goodfellas
The Pursuit of Happyness
Spiderman 3 exclusive disk

I have a few more to add

[jskrap]

I was surfing one of my other HD board today and came across a story about a gentleman that bought a $6000 Pioneer plasma.

It seems this gentleman didn't do his homework before purchasing and watched a pile of 4:3 standard def tv and thus burn-in occured.

So a few reminders for those that have bought plasmas or plan to.

1. Make sure you take the tv off "Torch Mode". This is normally the factory setting that the tv comes with. Often it's called "vivid". Turn it to a lower level.

2. You should "break-in" your plasma. Basically this means you should turn down all the settings for the first 100 hours and try to avoid any static objects on the screen for long periods of time. So if you have a 360 and you're a Hexic addict you'll have to go without for a while. (Note: some say you don't need to break in a plasma... but if you've just paid a small fortune for your new toy, isn't it better to be safe than sorry). Once the 100 hours is over you can start tweaking with brightness, contrast, etc. Or if you're really gung-ho, get your plasma professionally calibrated.

3. Stretch mode your 4:3 content to fill the entire screen. Yes, it does look strange, but you'll get used to it and it will save you burn-in in the long run. I believe the setting for most tvs is "fill".

4. Just be smart... don't leave the tv on a channel with a "ticker" for long periods of time. Burn-in occurs over time and the more those images stay on, the quicker it will burn into your screen. If you treat your plasma properly, you'll never have to worth about burn-in. :)

Do I really need to stretch the 4:3 content? Man, I don't know if I can do that!

[captain_narcolepsy]

black snake is part of the barnesandnoble.com deal for both formats if you're interested.

thanks alot!

[PrimeBane]

Do I really need to stretch the 4:3 content? Man, I don't know if I can do that!

If you most of what you watch is 4:3 content then yes you should stretch it.

If you mostly watch HD that fills the screen then you don't have to... and you should check to make sure the extra 4:3 space is filled with a dull grey to help even out wear.

[JaylisJayP]

i've been stretching 4:3 content on my 62" widescreen for 2 years now...it actually looks weird in standard 4:3, that's how used to the widescreen version I've become.

[PrimeBane]

www.hdaddicts.com has a 24 reduction on shipping.

$1.00 US for shipping in Canada or the USA.
International starts at $5.00
Local is free :D

[jskrap]

i've been stretching 4:3 content on my 62" widescreen for 2 years now...it actually looks weird in standard 4:3, that's how used to the widescreen version I've become.

Damn, guess I'll have to try and get used to it as well. I don't watch 4:3 that much but my wife does.

Just got this TV today:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8309056&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1173577950403

I can't believe the picture quality! I loved the picture on my DLP (besides the rainbows) and didn't think it could be much better but wow, I love this TV.

[SBrooks1]

If you most of what you watch is 4:3 content then yes you should stretch it.

WHAT??!!??! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You must not be a fan of OAR (original aspect ratio) because if you were you wouldn't be stretching any 4:3 content. I had to break my girlfriend of that habit real quick when she got her 40" Samsung LCD. 4:3 content should always be viewed as 4:3 regardless if you have a widescreen TV. Just like all widescreen cropped (fullscreen) movies should have never been made and sold at retail. Movies and TV shows should be watched in their original aspect ratio as they were intended to.

[SBrooks1]

Do I really need to stretch the 4:3 content? Man, I don't know if I can do that!

Don't stretch 4:3 content!! That's not how it was meant to be watched. So what if you have black bars on the sides? At least you know you're watching it how it's meant to be watched.

[JaylisJayP]

Damn, guess I'll have to try and get used to it as well. I don't watch 4:3 that much but my wife does.

Just got this TV today:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8309056&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat95100050005&id=1173577950403

I can't believe the picture quality! I loved the picture on my DLP (besides the rainbows) and didn't think it could be much better but wow, I love this TV.

That's pretty nice...I hope you got a deal, though. I just got the same TV in the 768p model for about half the price. Don't know if 1080p is worth $1,600.

[PrimeBane]

WHAT??!!??! That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You must not be a fan of OAR (original aspect ratio) because if you were you wouldn't be stretching any 4:3 content. I had to break my girlfriend of that habit real quick when she got her 40" Samsung LCD. 4:3 content should always be viewed as 4:3 regardless if you have a widescreen TV. Just like all widescreen cropped (fullscreen) movies should have never been made and sold at retail. Movies and TV shows should be watched in their original aspect ratio as they were intended to.

Well, if you'd like to break your $2000 plasma be my guest.

Watching 4:3 on LCD and DLP is fine because you can't get burn-in on either set, but it's a REALLY BAD IDEA with a plasma.

And fyi, you're not losing out on anything... all the picture is still there, it's just stretched out.

OAR is just fine, but not when it's going to permanently damage your plama tv if watach a lot of 4:3 content.

[PrimeBane]

Don't stretch 4:3 content!! That's not how it was meant to be watched. So what if you have black bars on the sides? At least you know you're watching it how it's meant to be watched.

Yes... do that.

And in 6 months your plasma will look like this.

http://www.plasmasaver.com/images/tv-43.png

And warranty won't cover repair or replacement.