High Definition Discussion Thread - Blu-Ray, HDTV, etc...

[quiggle]

HDMI, optical cable's from Monoprice.com. Very good cables at a fraction of the price Monster charges. You can get a cheap antenna to get OTA HD.

If you want BR then a PS3 if not I would go with any Upconvert DVD player would work on that size TV.

Chris

good stuff Chris, thanks - just dont' want those salespeople at Best Buy telling me I need this and that which isn't really necessary

[johnnyknoxsvill]

What do you want for your 60GB PS3? Does it work 100%? Good condition?

Everything works perfect, I didnt get any response on here so it is listed on ebay. I have my game data on an SD card but the new PS3 I got doesnt have a memory card reader.

I only wanted to transfer over my Lego Star Wars data as that was a pain in the arse

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I might be upgrading to a Mitsu 73" DLP. Does anyone know of any defects or problems with these? I havent looked them up yet, will be doing that later. Just figured I'd get a jump start on here

[ewto16]

The PS3 will output lossless via optical in 2 channels if you set you PS3 to output it. Otherwise you'll get 5.1

Right, my PS3 is hooked up via optical as well and I get 5.1 surround sound.

I've also been thinking about upgrading to a new receiver to take advantage of the better sound. I currently have a HTIB Kenwood system from like 1999. It works OK and I don't really have any complaints. I just would be interested to see what the better sound specs offer.

With the way my movie room is configured, doing anything other than 5.1 wouldn't be possible, so I'm just unsure if I'll really notice a difference.

[ewto16]

I might be upgrading to a Mitsu 73" DLP. Does anyone know of any defects or problems with these? I havent looked them up yet, will be doing that later. Just figured I'd get a jump start on here

I hate DLP. When I was looking at TVs 2 years ago, they had the worst picture quality of each type I looked at. They don't (or at least didn't then) render 1080p natively. They use wobulation to make it seem as if they do.

[grif32]

I might be upgrading to a Mitsu 73" DLP. Does anyone know of any defects or problems with these? I havent looked them up yet, will be doing that later. Just figured I'd get a jump start on here

Yeah only one problem its DLP :p

You get a big screen for cheap. I for one dont care for DLP but alot love DLP's..

The PQ IMO is just not there for DLP compared to Plasma and LCD's

Chris

[ewto16]

Yeah only one problem its DLP :p

You get a big screen for cheap. I for one dont care for DLP but alot love DLP's..

The PQ IMO is just not there for DLP compared to Plasma and LCD's

Chris

Right, DLP picture quality just isn't there when compared to the others. If you really want a projection type TV, I'd look at a Sony SXRD or even a JVC. Those were the two I looked at before. Both render 1080p native or did at the time.

I have a Sony SXRD 50-KDSA2000. I love it. I think it has a great picture and I don't have any problems with it.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I have a 57" Mitsu DLP and love it again now that I got that sensor fixed. Id love to get a plasma or LCD but something in that size range would cost a fourtune.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

this is the TV im looking at

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S0EQ5C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

[SmartassBoiler]

In regards to CC's price matching and the Fry's Blu-Ray sale, can I just print out the sale link that PrimeBane pasted above and take that in?

[WingNut 25]

The link he posted was for the San Jose area I believe. The LA sale paper featured a few different movies. You should just print it out off of their website.

[grif32]

this is the TV im looking at

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S0EQ5C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

If you are going 73" why not just get a projector? And get a 100 in screen. :D

Mits used to make some really nice TV's. I dont know if they still do. My first HD TV was a Mits 55" HD TV and it produced one sick PQ. Not DLP tho.

Here is a review on the 65" which is the same guts as the 73" just bigger screen:

Product Summary

The good: Reproduces a deep level of black; accurate initial grayscale; detailed color and tint adjustments; great connectivity with a total of four HDMI inputs; attractive design.

The bad: Inaccurate color decoding and primary colors that cannot be fixed using main menu adjustments; noisy video processing; smooth 120Hz mode does not remove judder.

The bottom line: The DLP-based Mitsubishi WD-65833 turned in a disappointing performance, especially for the company's flagship rear-projection HDTV.

Some more info:

Performance
We were disappointed at the performance of this set, in most regards. Our biggest issues were with color fidelity because of the poor color decoding and highly inaccurate primary colors. The problems with red and green were really obvious, when compared directly with a Sony KDS-55A3000 SXRD set, which had extremely accurate primary colors. So for the same or less money, whether it be a Samsung DLP or a Sony SXRD set, you can get much better performance.

We did spend some time trying to improve primary colors with Perfect Tint, and those controls did help a little, especially with magenta and red. Green was impossible to improve much at all, however, and yellow was also quite inaccurate, despite our efforts.

Doing a proper job of tweaking primary colors requires expensive gear and a lot of time, and we'd strongly prefer Mitsubishi to simply get it right in the first place. For our complete darkened-room picture settings, click here or scroll down to Tips below the review.

The WD-65833's video processing also leaves a lot to be desired. Compared with the Sony, the Mitsubishi's picture appeared noisy, and engaging the Video Noise feature did not seem to address this issue much at all.

Furthermore, as we noticed on the WD-65734, a resolution chart showed that the highest-resolution areas were negatively affected by what appears to be keystone correction, a feature found on front-projection systems that we always advise people not to use, as it robs the display of resolution and introduces moiré artifacts, as well.

Black-level performance was fine, for its part, but we expected deep blacks because we know the performance level of the current DLP chips from Texas Instruments to be quite good. The grayscale in the Low color temperature setting was quite close to the standard. In fact, this is the one area that Mitsubishi stands out in, relative to most of the competition. Unfortunately, the set's accurate grayscale cannot come close to making up for the combination of inaccurate decoding, and primary and secondary colors.

Moving on to program material, the awesome HD DVD transfer of Seabiscuit looked decent, though the excessively noisy video processing was noticeable in the scene where Jeff Bridges' wife shows him the jockey's uniform. That comes in Chapter 14, which is also a color torture test that contains all of the primary and secondary colors--most all of them at once--when the jockeys are getting ready at the starting gate. With this familiar scene, we found it quite easy to determine that the greenery surrounding the track looked completely wrong.

We also spent a lot of time looking at fast pans, which is where the set's 120Hz processing feature should make an improvement. One example came in the very beginning of The Departed, where the camera pans quickly over a counter of the Luncheonette. Compared with the Sony, the Mitsubishi's smooth 120Hz mode didn't seem to smooth out this motion at all; it appeared just as jerky as before in the same ways that 2:3 pull-down always seems to preserve judder.

[PrimeBane]

If you are going 73" why not just get a projector? And get a 100 in screen. :D

I agree... a nice 1080p projector is a terrific way to go. I love my 720p BenQ :D

How long does a DLP bulb last these days? I know projector bulbs last between 2000-3000 hours normally (sometimes beyond 3000 hours if you're lucky).

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I will be getting a 1080p projector when we move back to Wisconson. I might look into another brand based on that reveiw. I want to stay around the 3k mark

[ewto16]

Saw Walk Hard and Before the Devil Knows Your Dead over the weekend.

Walk Hard was surprisingly funny. I thought it would be stupid, but it was enjoyable. Some good laughs here and there. Picture quality seemed to be pretty good, though I wasn't really paying much attention.

BTDKYD was pretty boring. I didn't really care for the way the movie was setup with all the various flashbacks and stuff. I liked the acting in the movie, but the story itself is sort of weak. I just don't see that ever really occuring. Granted, I'm willing to suspend belief for all sorts of movies, but when a movie pretends to be grounded in realism, I find it harder to do. It was just sort of meh.

Marissa Tomei probably could have brought a lot more to the movie than her boobs as well. I think she is a good actress, but she got nothing to do in this movie except show her boobs. I'm guessing she needs money, as this role could have been filled by any actress out there.

[imaginegrafix]

I will be getting a 1080p projector when we move back to Wisconson. I might look into another brand based on that reveiw. I want to stay around the 3k mark

where you moving in wisc?

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Appleton area. We are going back at the end of July and will be looking at some house's to see what fits us and what we really need in a house besides a man cave for myself...lol

[PrimeBane]

The British take on why BD sales are tanking
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason

I agree with some of it... new disk prices are definately too high IMO.

As for BD being mariginally better than upcoverted DVD, I think that's very dependant on the title and the transfer.

I really got a chuckle out of the statement " 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed"

[grif32]

The British take on why BD sales are tanking
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason

I agree with some of it... new disk prices are definately too high IMO.

As for BD being mariginally better than upcoverted DVD, I think that's very dependant on the title and the transfer.

I really got a chuckle out of the statement " 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed"

Thanks for the laugh. Now that was funny..

Chris

[WingNut 25]

Best Buy near my work had only 1 of the Fry's BR sale titles on the shelf today. Me thinks they pulled them until after the sale is over since the other BB's I've checked since Friday had every title expect Live Free Or Die Hard. Luckily there is a Fry's not far from work. I'm just going to go there.

[ewto16]

The British take on why BD sales are tanking
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/05/03/blu-ray-sales-tank-reason

I agree with some of it... new disk prices are definately too high IMO.

As for BD being mariginally better than upcoverted DVD, I think that's very dependant on the title and the transfer.

I really got a chuckle out of the statement " 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed"

Geez....someone at Sony sleep with this guy's mother or something? Could they have written a more slanted article? The only thing accurate in that article is the fact that new releases are too pricey. I seem to remember DVDs being significantly more than VHS tapes when they first came out as well. I'm sure this will correct itself in time.

The rest of the article seems to focus on Blu-rays DRM and how it somehow is the ultimate evil. Too bad the author forgets to point out that DVDs have protection on them as well (DeCSS). The only difference is that pretty much everyone at this point has figured out how to copy DVDs and the material needed to do so is fairly cheap. The author seems to think the fact that you can't just freely copy BD media is a terrible thing and neglect that you "technically" can't just copy DVD media as well.

Besides one program that, oddly enough the author mentions as capable of cracking BD media, there aren't a lot of options for that yet. A BD player for your PC as well as the BD media aren't really all that cheap yet. Once the software becomes more accessable and the parts and media come down in price, pirating of BD media will be just as easy and frequent as DVDs.

I don't see where BD-J is an issue. I have yet to have any issue playing anything in my PS3. Granted having the multiple profiles is pretty stupid, but I don't see where BD-J really hurts anything. In fact, I tried some of the BD-Live features on Walk Hard this weekend. They seem like they would have worked fine. Granted it was dumb and seemingly a waste of time to not just include those things on the disc in the first place, but it did work.

[JaylisJayP]

From a website:

With the TX-SR605, Onkyo has incorporated high end features in a reasonably priced home theater receiver, such as HDMI 1.3a video and audio capabilities, Faroudja DCDi video processing, incorporation of both XM and Sirius satellite radio, and iPOD connection compatibility. If the TX-SR605 delivers what Onkyo promises, the bar would certainly be raised in terms of features and performance per dollar, and would certainly meet the needs of most mainstream home theater consumers.

Great receiver.


I think this is going to be the way to go...

Would you mind just confirming this all for me, since I'm new to the audio side of things (and I'm paranoid :)

If I have:

PS3
HDMI 1.3 Cable
Onkyo 605
My Polk speakers

Then I'm set for DTS-HD MA?

Likewise an A2/Dolby TrueHD.

[PrimeBane]

Well, BD-J does work pretty well on the PS3 due to the massive amount of computing power available... I'd be curious to hear *cough*GPWYANKEE*cought*CoachB*cough* how BD-J works with the stand alone players.

[grif32]

I think this is going to be the way to go...

Would you mind just confirming this all for me, since I'm new to the audio side of things (and I'm paranoid :)

If I have:

PS3
HDMI 1.3 Cable
Onkyo 605
My Polk speakers

Then I'm set for DTS-HD MA?

Likewise an A2/Dolby TrueHD.

Update your PS3 and you will be all set.

Chris

[SmartassBoiler]

Best Buy near my work had only 1 of the Fry's BR sale titles on the shelf today. Me thinks they pulled them until after the sale is over since the other BB's I've checked since Friday had every title expect Live Free Or Die Hard. Luckily there is a Fry's not far from work. I'm just going to go there.

That's ridiculous if true. This is why I only shop on Amazon now. I have a Best Buy Rewards card that I got when I bought my TV a couple years ago and have used it frequently, but I doubt I'll ever use it again. Why visit a store when I can order everything without tax, and with free shipping?

Given this sale finally took hold at Fry's and via price matching this weekend, it's also possible that they sold out of them via the price matching. Maybe Sbrooks1 would be so kind to shed more insight on that?

[JaylisJayP]

Updat your PS3 and you will be all set.

Chris

I'm reading that the 605 has problems with "popping" and "humming"....don't know if that's just the typical # of machines that have problems or a more widespread issue.

[ewto16]

I think this is going to be the way to go...

Would you mind just confirming this all for me, since I'm new to the audio side of things (and I'm paranoid :)

If I have:

PS3
HDMI 1.3 Cable
Onkyo 605
My Polk speakers

Then I'm set for DTS-HD MA?

Likewise an A2/Dolby TrueHD.

You would technically need more than one HDMI cable. I wasn't sure if you were stating things exactly or not. You need one from the receiver to the TV and then one (or another connecting cable) from each component to the receiver.

You did say you were paranoid... :D

[ewto16]

I think I already did that...thanks, I'm gonna shop around for a price and probably get it tonight. That'll dramatically cut my June 3 blu-ray budget down to about 2 movies, but what are you gonna do.

I've heard good things about 1Call as well. J&R can be good if you can find a good price. I think I bought something from B&H Photo and Video once as well.

[JaylisJayP]

You would technically need more than one HDMI cable. I wasn't sure if you were stating things exactly or not. You need one from the receiver to the TV and then one (or another connecting cable) from each component to the receiver.

You did say you were paranoid... :D

Gotcha...yeah I just meant HDMI 1.3 from one unit to the other...the one to the TV I have an old HDMI I can use.

[WingNut 25]

That's ridiculous if true. This is why I only shop on Amazon now. I have a Best Buy Rewards card that I got when I bought my TV a couple years ago and have used it frequently, but I doubt I'll ever use it again. Why visit a store when I can order everything without tax, and with free shipping?

Given this sale finally took hold at Fry's and via price matching this weekend, it's also possible that they sold out of them via the price matching. Maybe Sbrooks1 would be so kind to shed more insight on that?

I can't imagine this one store sold out of every title listed on that sale except for Sunshine. I just find that very hard to swallow.

[imaginegrafix]

dvd.co.uk has some pretty good deals on hd dvds - http://www.dvd.co.uk/landingpage_691.asp

With shipping it comes out to about $24 for 2 movies.

[SmartassBoiler]

I'm reading that the 605 has problems with "popping" and "humming"....don't know if that's just the typical # of machines that have problems or a more widespread issue.

The subwoofer humming is an abnormal issue. The popping is probably the DTS-MA bomb, but since you're using a PS3, this doesn't apply to you. It's only for those who bitstream DTS-HD MA to their receivers.

[imaginegrafix]

Appleton area. We are going back at the end of July and will be looking at some house's to see what fits us and what we really need in a house besides a man cave for myself...lol

Cool, I'm up in Green Bay - just moved myself this past weekend, basement is unfinished so that will be the home theater by the end of this year hopefully.

Market is pretty good around here right now for buying (as it is in most places) - good luck!

[grif32]

I'm reading that the 605 has problems with "popping" and "humming"....don't know if that's just the typical # of machines that have problems or a more widespread issue.

That was the very first batch. You should be good to go.

My 705 has never popped and no humming from the sub.

I wouldnt worry about the new batch of 605's

[grif32]

The subwoofer humming is an abnormal issue. The popping is probably the DTS-MA bomb, but since you're using a PS3, this doesn't apply to you. It's only for those who bitstream DTS-HD MA to their receivers.

The popping I think had more to do with switching between components. The DTS bomb sounds like a shot gun going off. Its a sound you will never forget.

[JaylisJayP]

So....I don't really NEED a 605, right? Like Grif said I just need an HDMI receiver that can accept PCM?

Or do I need a 605? Or do I want a 605?

Why do I want a 605? :)

Also, judging from Smartassboiler's comment, I would NOT want to bitstream from the PS3 to the receiver, yes? I'd want to select the LPCM option?

[JaylisJayP]

Also, this just popped into my head...how does TrueHD work with the PS3?

[PrimeBane]

The PS3 decodes both TruHD and DTS-HD MA and sends it via PCM. You cannot bitstream with the PS3 as the HDMI is not a true HDMI 1.3a port.

If you're the patient type, wait for the 606 to come out... 4 HDMI 1.3a ins. :)

[JaylisJayP]

The PS3 decodes both TruHD and DTS-HD MA and sends it via PCM. You cannot bitstream with the PS3 as the HDMI is not a true HDMI 1.3a port.

If you're the patient type, wait for the 606 to come out... 4 HDMI 1.3a ins. :)

Definitely NOT the patient type...:D

Seriously, though, I only need 2 HDMI inputs.

[JaylisJayP]

So, for my HD A2....does that decode TrueHD to the point where I'd just need a PCM-accepting HDMI receiver, or would I need a 605-type to do the decoding work for me there?

Sorry for all the questions, just want to make sure I get all the info before dishing out the cash.

Thanks!

[SmartassBoiler]

Definitely NOT the patient type...:D

Seriously, though, I only need 2 HDMI inputs.

The 606 coming out will drop the price of the 605, most likely, so I'd suggest going against the grain and being patient for that to save some cash if you end up getting a 605. :D

[PrimeBane]

I believe the A2 does the decoding as well... it doesn't have an HDMI 1.3a port thus it can't bitstream to the receiver for decoding.

If you really wanted to, you "could" get away with a receiver that doesn't decode either TruHD or DTS-HD MA as the PS3 and A2 are doing all the work.

[JaylisJayP]

I believe the A2 does the decoding as well... it doesn't have an HDMI 1.3a port thus it can't bitstream to the receiver for decoding.

If you really wanted to, you "could" get away with a receiver that doesn't decode either TruHD or DTS-HD MA as the PS3 and A2 are doing all the work.

Yeah that's my main question....would I be missing out on anything if I went this route? I don't plan on owning another blu-ray or HD DVD player other than what I have, so if a cheaper HDMI, PCM-accepting receiver will basically give me the same result in the end (even if the means are different), shouldn't I go that route?

What am I missing?

[PrimeBane]

IMO, you won't missout on anything... you're still getting lossless, it's just one source is doing it rather than another.

[ewto16]

I'd stick with the receiver doing the decoding. Usually you want the receiver to do the decoding of your material if possible. Typically, receivers have better quality in this area.

This could just be my common misconception though.

Related to the discussion, Onkyo makes a great receiver, so you should go with them versus another brand that you might get for a bit cheaper.

[JaylisJayP]

Thanks all for the advice...I might just let the PS3 do the decoding and save some money on a receiver.

Now I need to see what else is out there to get and how much to spend.

I swear the audio part of Home Theater is 100 times more complicated than the video part.

[PrimeBane]

It very much is... and for less effect IMO. :(

[JaylisJayP]

What does everyone think about this one? 3 HDMI inputs, and in the description it says...

Speaking of an enhanced experience, the STR-DG720 decodes uncompressed audio (LPCM via HDMI) so you can hear the original mix of your favorite BD titles.


http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sony-STR-DG720-7-1-Channel-Home-Theater-A-V-Receiver-STRDG720/sem/rpsm/oid/207885/catOid/-12949/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

[PrimeBane]

720 is decent... check out the 920 when it arrives though :D

[JaylisJayP]

720 is decent... check out the 920 when it arrives though :D

yeah, but $600.

[JaylisJayP]

720 is decent... check out the 920 when it arrives though :D

After reading up on this some more, it seems like the 720 is a really good option.

For Circuit City's current sale price of $270, I'd be getting all this...

105 watts per channel, 7.1
8 channel LPCM through HDMI
3 HDMI inputs

This would really be all I need, I'd imagine....the players would do the decoding and the Sony receiver would display MULTI-CHANNEL PCM, but it would in essense be the TRUEHD or DTS-HD MA, correct?

[grif32]

I'd stick with the receiver doing the decoding. Usually you want the receiver to do the decoding of your material if possible. Typically, receivers have better quality in this area.

This could just be my common misconception though.

Related to the discussion, Onkyo makes a great receiver, so you should go with them versus another brand that you might get for a bit cheaper.

2) Is there a difference with letting my player decode vs letting my receiver decode?

The simple answer is no. A more complex answer is.. on the True HD side of things there isn’t much difference since most players decode True HD format inside the player. However, DTS HD MA has been the tricky format many players leave out of the decoding equation.

UPDATE: As of Playstation 3 firmware version 2.30 which is out now, the PS3 can internally decode DTS HD MA tracks and this is no longer an inconvenience for PS3 owners.

If you own a lossless bitstream player that send lossless bitstream out and allow your player to decode DTS HD MA on the receiver (like the ones outlined below in, HI DEFINITION AUDIO QUESTIONS> Question 5), then YES.. for those movies the audio will sound better. (But even then, if you own one of those new players, it can decode those formats internally as well.) In the end it’s a novelty to allow your receiver to decode vs letting your player decode. If there are any improvements to be heard, they are slight, not vast.

[HollandX]

In the back of my mind, I've been looking for an HDTV for my bedroom. My bedroom is long and narrow, so I'd need a good sized TV.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Toshiba-Regza-47-LCD-HDTV-47HL167/sem/rpsm/oid/184600/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

How can I turn that deal down?

aka Tell me what's wrong with that TV, or what I can buy for better.

lol.

edit: what about this one? it's not much more at all. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8743498&type=product&id=1205537746887

[JaylisJayP]

In the back of my mind, I've been looking for an HDTV for my bedroom. My bedroom is long and narrow, so I'd need a good sized TV.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Toshiba-Regza-47-LCD-HDTV-47HL167/sem/rpsm/oid/184600/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

How can I turn that deal down?

aka Tell me what's wrong with that TV, or what I can buy for better.

lol.

That seems to be a "holy crap" amazing deal.

The only things I'd say is I much prefer plasma over LCD, but that's personal preference...and I don't know about LCD televisions, but I know for LCD monitors 8ms response time isn't that great.

As for a better deal for the value, I doubt it, Toshiba in my opinion falls into the big 5 brands that I'd blindly trust for a new TV (Sony, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonic, Toshiba)

[grif32]

In the back of my mind, I've been looking for an HDTV for my bedroom. My bedroom is long and narrow, so I'd need a good sized TV.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Toshiba-Regza-47-LCD-HDTV-47HL167/sem/rpsm/oid/184600/catOid/-12869/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

How can I turn that deal down?

aka Tell me what's wrong with that TV, or what I can buy for better.

lol.

I like the Toshiba Regza's. Only problem is the green push but can be fixed. My sister grabbed one of these and its a great TV for the price

Chris

[oaktown2000]

If I take my HDMI cable running from my PS3 to my TV.....and I tie 8 strings to it....and run 7 of those strings to a soup can strategically placed in my room and then the last one to a big cardboard box.....can I get 7.1 audio.

[grif32]

If I take my HDMI cable running from my PS3 to my TV.....and I tie 8 strings to it....and run 7 of those strings to a soup can strategically placed in my room and then the last one to a big cardboard box.....can I get 7.1 audio.

No the last one has to be tied to Primbanes arse to get the deep bass. :D

Only then can you achieve 7.1 audio bliss

[JaylisJayP]

If I take my HDMI cable running from my PS3 to my TV.....and I tie 8 strings to it....and run 7 of those strings to a soup can strategically placed in my room and then the last one to a big cardboard box.....can I get 7.1 audio.

What's the matter...5.1 not enough for your "wife" to enjoy Shakira and Mariah Carey?

[oaktown2000]

What's the matter...5.1 not enough for your "wife" to enjoy Shakira and Mariah Carey?


5.1 audio....pfft....I'll watch the Shakira Blu Ray without the sound even on ;)

[grif32]

Costco BOGO on Fox titles 5/5-11

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

from HDD

Ice Age: The Meltdown
Alien vs. Predator
Night at the Museum
Eragon
Fantastic 4: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
Die Hard
Die Hard 3
The Simpsons Movie

I dont have a costco to verify..

Chris

[PrimeBane]

No the last one has to be tied to Primbanes arse to get the deep bass. :D

Only then can you achieve 7.1 audio bliss

I can only guarantee this sound after a night of Coronas and refried bean dip...

[HollandX]

I can only guarantee this sound after a night of Coronas and refried bean dip...

hey quit passing gas, and look at that tv i linked, mister.

:eek:

[PrimeBane]

*farts*

Is this for your bedroom or your guest bedroom?

IMO, it's good enough for casual viewing... I'm not sure I'd want it as my main viewing panel however.

But $1300 for a 47" 1080p tv, I think one can overlook any flaws this set might have. :)

You could always ship it to me first for a full hands on review. ;)

[PrimeBane]

And if you haven't already, it might be worth your time to read the AVS thread on the green push on some toshibas

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=890638

[grif32]

And if you haven't already, it might be worth your time to read the AVS thread on the green push on some toshibas

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=890638

As stated above the Green Push is pretty simple to get rid of. My sister bought this same TV and it didnt have any Green Push to it.

Chris

[ewto16]

2) Is there a difference with letting my player decode vs letting my receiver decode?

The simple answer is no. A more complex answer is.. on the True HD side of things there isn’t much difference since most players decode True HD format inside the player. However, DTS HD MA has been the tricky format many players leave out of the decoding equation.

UPDATE: As of Playstation 3 firmware version 2.30 which is out now, the PS3 can internally decode DTS HD MA tracks and this is no longer an inconvenience for PS3 owners.

If you own a lossless bitstream player that send lossless bitstream out and allow your player to decode DTS HD MA on the receiver (like the ones outlined below in, HI DEFINITION AUDIO QUESTIONS> Question 5), then YES.. for those movies the audio will sound better. (But even then, if you own one of those new players, it can decode those formats internally as well.) In the end it’s a novelty to allow your receiver to decode vs letting your player decode. If there are any improvements to be heard, they are slight, not vast.

Thanks for that!!

[SBrooks1]

Who else is buying Twister today? I am. :D

[grif32]

Who else is buying Twister today? I am. :D

Thanks for the reminder. I am all over that like Garth on a fat lady.

[WingNut 25]

Fry's has Twister advertised for $19.99.

[WingNut 25]

Costco BOGO on Fox titles 5/5-11

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

from HDD

Ice Age: The Meltdown
Alien vs. Predator
Night at the Museum
Eragon
Fantastic 4: Rise Of The Silver Surfer
Die Hard
Die Hard 3
The Simpsons Movie

I dont have a costco to verify..

Chris

My roommate has a Costco card. I'll have to investigate.

[SBrooks1]

Fry's has Twister advertised for $19.99.

$18.90 with my discount :)

[Hanky Panky]

Amazon has Twister for $18.95...
http://www.amazon.com/Twister-Blu-ray-Helen-Hunt/dp/B000W4D94I/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1210090373&sr=1-2

[oaktown2000]

For those getting twister...please post your thoughts on the AQ/PQ.

Still not sure if I want this one or not.

Especially if the CGI effects in 1080P don't look good.

[WingNut 25]

Thus far I have been unable to track down Live Free Or Die Hard at CC, BB or Fry's. Unreal that no one has it. Today is my last chance to find it for $14.99. Wish me luck.

[PrimeBane]

I think I might pick up the HD DVD version of Twister when it comes out, just for sentimental value.

It's a nice reminder as well being the first DVD ever made and the last HD DVD

[HollandX]

*farts*

Is this for your bedroom or your guest bedroom?

IMO, it's good enough for casual viewing... I'm not sure I'd want it as my main viewing panel however.

But $1300 for a 47" 1080p tv, I think one can overlook any flaws this set might have. :)

You could always ship it to me first for a full hands on review. ;)

My bedroom. It's definitely casual viewing. I'm not even planning on putting BD or HD DVD on it. My only hi def source will be hd cable. I really only watch TV in there when I'm getting dressed or falling asleep.

And I just found a 12% off Best Buy coupon! :eek:

[ewto16]

My bedroom. It's definitely casual viewing. I'm not even planning on putting BD or HD DVD on it. My only hi def source will be hd cable. I really only watch TV in there when I'm getting dressed or falling asleep.

And I just found a 12% off Best Buy coupon! :eek:

Can you pricematch the first TV you listed, which I think was CC at BB and then use your 12% off coupon?

[PrimeBane]

Man, that's almost highway robbery right there :D

[JaylisJayP]

I'm getting Twister but that's it for movies this week.

[grif32]

My bedroom. It's definitely casual viewing. I'm not even planning on putting BD or HD DVD on it. My only hi def source will be hd cable. I really only watch TV in there when I'm getting dressed or falling asleep.

And I just found a 12% off Best Buy coupon! :eek:

It would be a perfect tv for the bedroom and at theat price you cant really beat it. Unreal deal

Chris

[ewto16]

Not that it really matters now, but....

Although it's all water under the bridge now, we still find it interesting that Viacom's recent earnings statement confirmed that Paramount received compensation for dumping Blu-ray. But contrary to the New York Times article, Variety is reporting that it was only $29 Million, instead of $150 Million. This is of course only cash, and it is still entirely possible that the other $121 Million included future revenues that didn't materialize once things fell apart, but we have a hard time believing Paramount received that much in promotional services or free replication. And while the Warner payoff rumors weren't from a source as sound as the NYT, we'll still be keeping an eye on revenue statements from Engadget and Warner's shared parent company all the same.


http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/05/05/viacom-earnings-report-confirms-paramount-payout-from-toshiba/

[WingNut 25]

Who's to say that money won't be paid over X number of years?

I may pass on Twister as its strongest point, according to reviews, is the AQ and I have no surround set up currently due to room size.

[HollandX]

Can you pricematch the first TV you listed, which I think was CC at BB and then use your 12% off coupon?

dunno- if i can't, i'm looking at this new badboy. i can use the 12% coupon on it for sure, and it's a brand new model. ~$40 per month for 36 months no interest.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8784096&productCategoryId=abcat0101001&type=product&tab=2&id=1205246214857#productdetail

[grif32]

Not that it really matters now, but....



http://formatwarcentral.com/index.php/2008/05/05/viacom-earnings-report-confirms-paramount-payout-from-toshiba/

I think Paramount was only getting 50mil anyway not the full 150m..

But who cares. I bet if we look at disney, WB and other BR books we can find the same thing.

Chris

[ewto16]

I think Paramount was only getting 50mil anyway not the full 150m..

But who cares. I bet if we look at disney, WB and other BR books we can find the same thing.

Chris

I'm sure. In fact the article said they would be looking at Warner's financial release to see if they got a payoff as well. Just posted it because it was a hot topic of debate back when the news was important.

[JaylisJayP]

Well, I finally joined the party. Went and got the Sony 720 and hooked it up just now. Finished the calibration and gave Twister a whirl, and I have to say noticed the difference between whatever the default track was and the DolbyTrueHD track immediately.

I switched back and forth about 5 times, and I now know what I've been missing. Grif you were absolutely right, the speakers just come alive. There's more force, clarity, just a fuller presence of sound.

I also cranked it up, and if the receiver carried through the opening scene of Twister without shutting into protection mode, I think I finally hooked one of these things up properly :)

Can't wait to check out a DTS-HD MA track!

[PrimeBane]

For my Canadian brothers still buying HD DVDs on the cheap

Star Trek Season 1 - $49.99
http://www.amazon.ca/Star-Trek-Original-Season-Standard/dp/B000VDDDY6/ref=pd_ts_c_th_1?pf_rd_p=363197901&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=128059011&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_r=0DK2AV4426ES1SPRYS5S

Mission Impossible Trilogy - $28.99
http://www.amazon.ca/Mission-Impossible-Ultimate-Missions-Collection/dp/B000HEZF0E/ref=pd_ts_c_th_2?pf_rd_p=363197901&pf_rd_s=right-3&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=128059011&pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_r=0DK2AV4426ES1SPRYS5S

If you're a first time Amazon.ca customer there's also an additional $10 off your first purchase. :)

[grif32]

Well, I finally joined the party. Went and got the Sony 720 and hooked it up just now. Finished the calibration and gave Twister a whirl, and I have to say noticed the difference between whatever the default track was and the DolbyTrueHD track immediately.

I switched back and forth about 5 times, and I now know what I've been missing. Grif you were absolutely right, the speakers just come alive. There's more force, clarity, just a fuller presence of sound.

I also cranked it up, and if the receiver carried through the opening scene of Twister without shutting into protection mode, I think I finally hooked one of these things up properly :)

Can't wait to check out a DTS-HD MA track!

Awesome. Congrats! Check out The 4th Die Hard on BR if you want some amazing sound. You will watch all your movies over again just to hear what you have been missing. All if you have 3:10 to Yuma check that one out as well.

Chris

[SBrooks1]

This ad is in this week's Video Business magazine....

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c279/SBrooks2006/darkcity-ad.jpg

[ewto16]

Amazon B2G1 sale. Some newer Fox stuff it seems.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_20890_9205720_hi_img_1/?docId=1000225131

[JaylisJayP]

This ad is in this week's Video Business magazine....

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c279/SBrooks2006/darkcity-ad.jpg

Heh, definitely a must own for me, but I sure as hell won't be paying $34.95 for it.

[ewto16]

I don't think I've ever seen Dark City.

[Hanky Panky]

I don't think I've ever seen Dark City.

It was ok...nothing too terribly exciting about this one...but then again, it was from the director of the Crow so it has that moody, somber setting. If you like psychological, gothic, mind-bending thrillers, you might enjoy this one.

[ewto16]

Well, I liked the Crow, though watching it again like a year ago it hasn't aged terribly well.

[JaylisJayP]

I think Oak was asking on one of the last pages, but for anyone interested, my quick take on Twister the disc.

PQ: 4/5. It's really a nice transfer. It has very nice depth, good colors when there are bold colors, and I noticed very little grain throughout the movie (don't remember seeing it in the theaters to compare).

AQ: 5/5. Of course, this was my first time hearing DolbyTrueHD, so anything probably would've gotten a 5, but it really shines here. This movie has always been known for it's high quality audio, and the blu-ray just kicks it up a notch for the home theater crowd.

[JaylisJayP]

Oak...now your "wife" has something else to look forward to.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Mantra_Films/Disc_Announcements/Girls_Gone_Wild_Reveals_Hottest_Moments_Ever_on_Blu-ray/1714

[HollandX]

Amazon B2G1 sale. Some newer Fox stuff it seems.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_20890_9205720_hi_img_1/?docId=1000225131

eh.

i woulda gotten the two ice age movies if they were bogo.

[HollandX]

the dvd projector looks PIMP: http://www.nikkor2d2.com/

[PrimeBane]

hmmm... I'm not sure what to think about the new Dark City cover.

But they REALLY have to look at the MRSP on BDs... $15 more than the DVD?!?!

[PrimeBane]

the dvd projector looks PIMP: http://www.nikkor2d2.com/

Very cool... I wonder how long before they produce an HD version?

For us HD nerds, this one is only 480p with DVI. :(

[Chugga]

Amazon B2G1 sale. Some newer Fox stuff it seems.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_20890_9205720_hi_img_1/?docId=1000225131

Damnit I'll never get my hands on Courage Under Fire. I wanted that movie since the day it came out, I keep looking and looking and it comes up during all of these sales but at some ridiculous price I would never pay for it. The thing isn't more then a $20 title, let alone $15. I want a BOGO for it or I'm never going to buy it. Even if it were in a BOGO the price would probably be high.

I hope Denzel Washington never does anymore movies with Fox so I don't have to pay awful prices.

[ewto16]

hmmm... I'm not sure what to think about the new Dark City cover.

But they REALLY have to look at the MRSP on BDs... $15 more than the DVD?!?!

I'm sure these will come down in price as time goes on. Plus, you can likely find it cheaper than the MSRP.

[PrimeBane]

I have no doubt that I'll be able to find it for around $25, but it's the fact that the BD has a $15 premium on it that ticks me off.

[grif32]

the dvd projector looks PIMP: http://www.nikkor2d2.com/

That is sick

[ewto16]

the dvd projector looks PIMP: http://www.nikkor2d2.com/

I don't see anything that enables it to bring me a beer.

[PrimeBane]

I don't see anything that enables it to bring me a beer.

Get one of these then :D

http://www.drinkstuff.com/products/product.asp?ID=657

[ewto16]

Get one of these then :D

http://www.drinkstuff.com/products/product.asp?ID=657

If only I knew about that 2 years ago......:(

[SmartassBoiler]

Mission Impossible / Star Trek HD-DVD Sale:

"Amazon (Canada) has Star Trek The Original Series Season 1 HD-DVD/DVD combo set for $50 + $10 S/H = $60. If you are a new customer or have not purchased from Amazon.ca before, you may use code MAPNEWNCSAVE to save $10 off $40 making it $50.

They also have Mission Impossible: Ultimate Missions Collection (HD-DVD) for $29. Lowest on PriceGrabber is $49."

[WingNut 25]

Butch Cassidy got a pretty bad review on HDD. Pass.

[SmartassBoiler]

Oops, noticed Scott already posted that deal. :p

[JaylisJayP]

So tempting on the Star Trek....must resist...no money after new receiver....

[johnnyknoxsvill]

Sweet got my $150 BB GC!! Hmmmm now what to spend it on?

[WingNut 25]

I'd love to get that MI set but I'm not a Canuck.

[JaylisJayP]

Sweet got my $150 BB GC!! Hmmmm now what to spend it on?

Still waiting on my $100. Called today and they couldn't tell me anything, what a surprise. First it was 4-6 weeks, now it's 6-8 weeks. I have to wait another 13 days to call again.

In any event, I'd probably blow it all on June 3 releases....TWBB, Cloverfield, The Recruit, Patton, etc.......

It'll all go to blu-rays, just a matter of when I get them.

[JaylisJayP]

Nothing we didn't already know, but always worth noting when high-def. gets a mainstream news article.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/05/06/young.bluray.ap/index.html

[johnnyknoxsvill]

My wife is still waiting on her 2nd $200 GC

[IceRat]

HOLY CRAP!!!!

Dear Criterion Collection Newsletter subscriber,

We’ve got some exciting news for this fall, and we wanted you to hear it first.

Our first Blu-ray discs are coming! We’ve picked a little over a dozen titles from the collection for Blu-ray treatment, and we’ll begin rolling them out in October. These new editions will feature glorious high-definition picture and sound, all the supplemental content of the DVD releases, and they will be priced to match our standard-def editions.

Here’s what’s in the pipeline:

The Third Man
Bottle Rocket
Chungking Express
The Man Who Fell to Earth
The Last Emperor
El Norte
The 400 Blows
Gimme Shelter
The Complete Monterey Pop
Contempt
Walkabout
For All Mankind
The Wages of Fear

Alongside our DVD and Blu-ray box sets of The Last Emperor, we’ll also be putting out the theatrical version as a stand-alone release in both formats, priced at $39.95. Our Blu-ray release of Walkabout will be an all-new edition, featuring new supplements as well as a new transfer; we will also release an updated anamorphic DVD of Nicolas Roeg’s outback masterpiece at the same time.

Bottle Rocket is so mine
ca caw ca caw

[JaylisJayP]

^^^ Great news.

[MPCanes]

About time Criterion joined the party.

Now give me Royal Tenenbaums and Life Aquatic, please, since Bottle Rocket was just a start.

[IceRat]

About time Criterion joined the party.

Now give me Royal Tenenbaums and Life Aquatic, please, since Bottle Rocket was just a start.
don't forget Rushmore

[SBrooks1]

I don't see a single movie on that Criterion list that I've ever heard of other than Last Emperor.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

^^
Same here except Bottle Rocket

[IceRat]

^ that's ok, you keep buying those cheesy fluff BDs the studios are releasing at $30 a pop
someone has to

[JaylisJayP]

That cheesy fluff is my entire collection!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IceRat]

That cheesy fluff is my entire collection!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've seen :p:D

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I buy used fluff, except when there is a decent B1G1 fluff sale or this past Fry's fluff sale :D

[PrimeBane]

*yawn*

Now if Criterion still had the rights to Silence of the Lambs, Robocop and Armageddon, I might be interested...

[WingNut 25]

I'm all over Life Aquatic and Royal Tennenbaums if they put them out.

[freezerfuel]

That Criterion list sucks, wow. Just terrible. Nothing I'll buy.

Thank god.

[grif32]

That Criterion list sucks, wow. Just terrible. Nothing I'll buy.

Thank god.

I agree 1000%. I dont think they will be selling to many of those. Unless BR fanboys buy them up since the price will be low.

[ewto16]

I don't see a single movie on that Criterion list that I've ever heard of other than Last Emperor.

I agree. I don't know what any of those other movies are either. I don't see the appeal of Life Aquatic either. I've seen it twice. It is, at best, mildly entertaining. Certainly nothing truly fantastic. It is at times quite dull and boring.

Is it supposed to be cheesy and make me laugh at the whole idea and concept of it all? Maybe I missed the point. I enjoy things like Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz, which I consider fun and cheesy.

[ewto16]

Nothing we didn't already know, but always worth noting when high-def. gets a mainstream news article.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/05/06/young.bluray.ap/index.html

What is the point in this? Do people really play music in the BD players? I guess I hadn't really thought of that as even an option.

From my perspective, I'd rather have a multiple CD set that I can rip to my iPod or something like that.

[JaylisJayP]

What is the point in this? Do people really play music in the BD players? I guess I hadn't really thought of that as even an option.

From my perspective, I'd rather have a multiple CD set that I can rip to my iPod or something like that.

Maybe it'll sound better with more room on the disc.

You do realize, on a bit of a side note, that every time you rip a CD to your iPod it flattens the hell out of the music and you lose something like 90% of the data.

[SBrooks1]

You do realize, on a bit of a side note, that every time you rip a CD to your iPod it flattens the hell out of the music and you lose something like 90% of the data.

That's if you use iTunes to rip it. If you use a better program and rip @ 320kb/s then it's much better.

[SBrooks1]

Great article about the 4k restoration of Godfather I & II. Didn't understand a lot of the terminology here but it's very interesting....

http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/May2008/PostFocus/page1.php

http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/May2008/PostFocus/images/ac0508_03_godfather_before.jpg

Before

Image 1 of 2

These before and after frames from a close-up of Pacino in the restaurant show how senior colorist/ASC associate member Jan Yarbrough was able to use digital tools to bring out additional detail in the actor’s face at a key moment in the scene.

http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynamic/May2008/PostFocus/images/ac0508_04_godfather_after.jpg

After

Image 2 of 2
These before and after frames from a close-up of Pacino in the restaurant show how senior colorist/ASC associate member Jan Yarbrough was able to use digital tools to bring out additional detail in the actor’s face at a key moment in the scene.

[SBrooks1]

Alight guys, we got in a new end cap demo of the new 46" Samsung Series 7 (750 series) at Best Buy and it's a stunner! Lots of built in crap I would probably never use like the games and recipes but the picture looks outstanding! I can get the 52" version for $2395 with my discount. :D Any opinions on this yet?

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8793/8793932_sa.jpg

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8793932&st=samsung+750&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1205537711725

[PrimeBane]

Looks nice... but I'm still a little leary of LCDs. IMO, plasma is still the way to go.

Plus that 120 Hz thing still looks funny everytime I watch it.

[SBrooks1]

Yeah 120hz would definitely be turned off for movies. I might turn it on for sitcoms though. Why do you think plasmas are the way to go over LCD?

[PrimeBane]

In my research:

1. Plasmas has better color recreation (billions of colors vs millions) and picture
2. There are no refresh issues with plasmas
3. Better contrast ratios (although these are pretty close now)
4. Better viewing angles (one again, these are very close now as well)
5. Plasma is just sexier to say than LCD :D

[ewto16]

Maybe it'll sound better with more room on the disc.

You do realize, on a bit of a side note, that every time you rip a CD to your iPod it flattens the hell out of the music and you lose something like 90% of the data.

Right, but I don't use iTunes to rip them. Plus, I'll trade some loss in audio quailty for the portability that I have using my iPod or whatever. For me, being able to listen to music on my PS3 in my game room, doesn't really do much for me. If I'm in my game room, I'm either using the PS3 or watching TV, so either the PS3 would already be in use, or I likely want the sound from the TV show anyway.

[ewto16]

Yeah 120hz would definitely be turned off for movies. I might turn it on for sitcoms though. Why do you think plasmas are the way to go over LCD?

I always think that LCDs look washed out. I think they pixelate too much.

[oaktown2000]

Well, I finally joined the party. Went and got the Sony 720 and hooked it up just now. Finished the calibration and gave Twister a whirl, and I have to say noticed the difference between whatever the default track was and the DolbyTrueHD track immediately.

I switched back and forth about 5 times, and I now know what I've been missing. Grif you were absolutely right, the speakers just come alive. There's more force, clarity, just a fuller presence of sound.

I also cranked it up, and if the receiver carried through the opening scene of Twister without shutting into protection mode, I think I finally hooked one of these things up properly :)

Can't wait to check out a DTS-HD MA track!

Jay....are you having the PS3 do the decoding...then just passing through the 720?

I wasn't sure the 720 was able to decode that many different tracks. Hell, I was surprised to see it had 3 HDMI "Ins". I see it on Sony Style for only $299...and I have that much in rewards points. Wondering if it's a solid receiver.

[PrimeBane]

You can't bitstream with the PS3 for any HD audio codec... the PS3 must do the decoding and send it to the receiver as PCM over HDMI.

[grif32]

120hz is great for sports but not much for anything else

The Samsung 7 series is one HELL OF A NICE TV you cant go wrong with that one SBrooks.

Chris

[grif32]

You can't bitstream with the PS3 for any HD audio codec... the PS3 must do the decoding and send it to the receiver as PCM over HDMI.

Correct.

When watching older SD DVD's you will want to select Bitsteam on the PS3 over PCM

[oaktown2000]

You can't bitstream with the PS3 for any HD audio codec... the PS3 must do the decoding and send it to the receiver as PCM over HDMI.

English......do you speak it mutha******




Come on man. Put it in simple terms.



So......what you're saying is that the PS3 MUST do all of the decoding. So therefore...you do not need a receiver that can decode "X" amount of tracks....as that won't matter.

So....say the PS3 decodes (just an example here) Super Hi Fi Track.......but yet you're receiver doens't. If the PS3 decodes it...and sends it to your receiver...your receiver will still pass it thorugh to the speakers...correct?

If so...then I'm gonna jump on that 720......3 HDMI ins for $300 ($100 an input) is good enough for me.

[JaylisJayP]

English......do you speak it mutha******




Come on man. Put it in simple terms.



So......what you're saying is that the PS3 MUST do all of the decoding. So therefore...you do not need a receiver that can decode "X" amount of tracks....as that won't matter.

So....say the PS3 decodes (just an example here) Super Hi Fi Track.......but yet you're receiver doens't. If the PS3 decodes it...and sends it to your receiver...your receiver will still pass it thorugh to the speakers...correct?

If so...then I'm gonna jump on that 720......3 HDMI ins for $300 ($100 an input) is good enough for me.

All you need is a receiver that can pass through the PCM signal.

Your example is correct.

As for the 720, I'm loving it so far. It's performing very well and it's powerful. My only concern before buying it was Sony's somewhat negative reputation for being too sensitive and going into protect mode, but I watch all of Twister in Dolby TrueHD at fairly loud levels and there was no issue.

I've only had the thing 2 days, but so far I'd recommend it without a doubt.

[JaylisJayP]

By the way props on the Pulp Fiction line.

[JaylisJayP]

Correct.

When watching older SD DVD's you will want to select Bitsteam on the PS3 over PCM

Why is that?

[PrimeBane]

You seem to understand the geekspeak just fine Keith :D

[grif32]

Why is that?

If you are playing older (SD) movies, it still gives you a benefit of setting your player to bitstream so you gain ability to decode Dolby Digital and DTS on your receiver.

[Hanky Panky]

I'll be a monkey's uncle...didn't know that! Thanks for the tip grif!

[ewto16]

All those still hanging onto your obsolete vintage first generation HD DVD players have a reason to plug in the network cable and turn them on one more time, as Toshiba has issued a version 3.0 firmware update for the HD-A1, HD-XA1 and HD-D1. Similar to an earlier update for the Xbox 360 HD DVD add-on, the patch tweaks network connectivity a bit as well as clearing up some HDMI handshaking issues. The update quietly came online April 26, and of course can be issued by burning it to a CD or calling Toshiba and requesting a disc by mail. So go ahead, pour a glass of wine, dim the lights and celebrate a little quality time with a two year-old box that still offers features some new players can't match.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/08/toshiba-pushes-firmware-3-0-update-to-first-gen-hd-dvd-players/

[ewto16]

Paramount entire Blu-ray catalog back in stock.

When Paramount makes a decision it really gets behind it, and just as quickly as Paramount titles disappeared from store shelves back in August, they'll all re-appear in the next few weeks. With the initial Paramount Blu-ray re-commitment just a few weeks ago, we learned that 8 of the 32 previously releases titles would be available on May 20th, and now the studio has confirmed that the entire Blu-ray back catalog will be available by the end of May. The titles will be true reissues and identical to the original release -- so if you didn't like the first one, you won't like these either. We're sure plenty of recent Blu-ray adopters are happy to get their hands on titles like Mission Impossible trilogy and The Italian Job, but we'd be more excited to see some of the more recent Paramount releases go Blu, like say, Transformers. But hey, at least we can finally get rid of that annoying asterisks on our weekly releases post.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/07/entire-paramount-blu-ray-catalog-is-back-by-the-end-of-may/

[PrimeBane]

Now the question is, are these the true leftovers (rumor had it they were destroyed) or new pressings?

As for Transformers, with the sequel in production I wouldn't be surprised to see PM/DM to hold off on a BD copy until just before the new movie hits theatres (along with a new DVD version of course).

[Hanky Panky]

I wouldn't be surprised to see PM/DM to hold off on a BD copy until just before the new movie hits theatres (along with a new DVD version of course).

Definitely...that's what Lucasfilm is doing with the new issue of Indy trilogy on dvd. Supposedly they have some "new features" of Crystal Skull to showcase...as a incentive for buying them again.

I say **** that...I'll wait for all 4 on blu.

[ewto16]

Now the question is, are these the true leftovers (rumor had it they were destroyed) or new pressings?

As for Transformers, with the sequel in production I wouldn't be surprised to see PM/DM to hold off on a BD copy until just before the new movie hits theatres (along with a new DVD version of course).

I'd guess it is a combination of leftovers and new pressings. I find it hard to beleive that they actually destroyed all those old copies, though that would be pretty funny.

[SBrooks1]

Now the question is, are these the true leftovers (rumor had it they were destroyed) or new pressings?

True leftovers. They were not destroyed. Top Gun will have PCM 5.1 though. :D

http://www.axelmusic.com/resources/covers/back/097361305646.jpg

[GPWYANKEE]

Anybody selling any Blu Rays?????

[GPWYANKEE]

Sold all 84 of my HD Movies and my Toshiba XA2 player.Looking for a bunch of Blu Rays if anybody has any FS.

[SBrooks1]

Sold all 84 of my HD Movies and my Toshiba XA2 player.Looking for a bunch of Blu Rays if anybody has any FS.

How much did you get for that package?

[GPWYANKEE]

How much did you get for that package?

Sold the player on the bay for what i paid-$300.00 plus delivery.Sold the lot of movies for 850.00 Dlvd.I had no interest in piece mealing them off to 100 different buyers.I think i did alright.

[ewto16]

Anybody selling any Blu Rays?????

Wild Hogs. A comedy classic!!

[GPWYANKEE]

Wild Hogs. A comedy classic!!

If i didnt have it id buy it-My kids love that flick.Actually got it as one of my freebies when i bought my Panny.

[ewto16]

If i didnt have it id buy it-My kids love that flick.Actually got it as one of my freebies when i bought my Panny.

You probably want a backup copy then, since your kids love it so much. Imagine how upset they would be if you lost it or get got destroyed or damaged.

Don't let your children down. Buy my copy so you have a spare.

[GPWYANKEE]

You probably want a backup copy then, since your kids love it so much. Imagine how upset they would be if you lost it or get got destroyed or damaged.

Don't let your children down. Buy my copy so you have a spare.

LMAO

[thaderules]

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/08/toshiba-pushes-firmware-3-0-update-to-first-gen-hd-dvd-players/


Thanks for the heads up. I have 2.2 on my A-1 and even though it has hiccups in a while, I'll stick with it since it hasn't gotten me any major problems. Knock on wood.

[JaylisJayP]

I am just about to bust out a never unboxed HD-A2....what do I need to do to get it up to the latest firmware? Does that work through an Internet connection? I'm not that well versed in this since I've never had to do it before.

[PrimeBane]

It should work if you connect the player to your router or directly to the internet... worst comes to worst you can DL the CD image and burn it to disk.

[DEN7ER]

If you are playing older (SD) movies, it still gives you a benefit of setting your player to bitstream so you gain ability to decode Dolby Digital and DTS on your receiver.

what about playing blu-rays in 5.1/6.1? still keep it on Bitstream?

how about this, I've got a PS3, an great Sub and a digital receiver. it's got DTS EX, DD, and 6.1 decoding... not the fancy new 7.1 HDMI stuff.

what setting(s) would sound the best or ideal for DVD's and BD's?

[DEN7ER]

ive always wondered about itunes dumbing down the quality of CD's to 128kbs...

still sounded pretty good so i never really looked into it.

so what's a good program to use to rip and retain the high quality?

[JaylisJayP]

what about playing blu-rays in 5.1/6.1? still keep it on Bitstream?

how about this, I've got a PS3, an great Sub and a digital receiver. it's got DTS EX, DD, and 6.1 decoding... not the fancy new 7.1 HDMI stuff.

what setting(s) would sound the best or ideal for DVD's and BD's?

are you using a Toslink cable or HDMI cable? From what I understand, if you're using Toslink you definitely want to bitstream because the PCM will just send it over as 2-channel stereo....but don't quote me on it.

[JaylisJayP]

It should work if you connect the player to your router or directly to the internet... worst comes to worst you can DL the CD image and burn it to disk.

Thanks.

[imaginegrafix]

Anyone know where the best deal is on an hd dvd player - looks like mine was broke during our recent move..... gonna try to take it apart as it just seems to be a problem with the drive opening/closing.... but might have to buy a new one, doesn't look like amazon carries them anymore.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

check BB sometimes they have a good deal on open box itmes. If you want I can check out my local BB. Last time I was there I counted over 100 A3's

[imaginegrafix]

Thanks - will do - you know what they were going for?

[imaginegrafix]

What kind of reviews did the Venturer players get?

[PrimeBane]

The Venturers have the same guts as the A3, just with a crappier looking front.

[DEN7ER]

are you using a Toslink cable or HDMI cable? From what I understand, if you're using Toslink you definitely want to bitstream because the PCM will just send it over as 2-channel stereo....but don't quote me on it.

I use the Toslink, the optical cord. should i switch the PS3 to Bitstream? can anyone else concur?

I've thought the movies sound great but for all i know i've got it on the wrong setting...

i do know that when i play blu-ray's and i listen to the 6.1/5.1 or reg. DTS track, my receiver's icons don't show up as being in surround sound, it shows the 2-channel icons - but all MY speakers will produce sound... :confused::confused::confused:

[PrimeBane]

I would... then the receiver is doing the decoding.

[imaginegrafix]

Just ordered the A3 from compusa w/ 4 movies instantly for $80+ shipping - not too bad, probably could have waited and got a better deal but I've got a bunch of hd dvds that I want to watch in the next few weeks.

[PrimeBane]

Good deal IMO :)

[ewto16]

Where is everyone?

[PrimeBane]

Slow day... plus without the war, HD news is far less interesting. :(

[JaylisJayP]

Nobody has movies for sale on swap meet Friday, huh?

Looking for:

Ocean's 11
Dark Water
From Hell

[ewto16]

Nobody has movies for sale on swap meet Friday, huh?

Looking for:

Ocean's 11
Dark Water
From Hell

I have Wild Hogs.

[ewto16]

Sony firmware update for BDP-S300

Heads-up, BDP-S300 owners -- Sony has just unleashed a new firmware update for your machine. Posted today, the v3.90 update will bring you, well, we're not exactly sure what. According to users at AVSForum, the general consensus is that TrueHD support just has to be in there, but Sony's servers are so glacially slow that no one has been able to confirm or deny just yet. Once your download manages to complete (hey, it takes awhile when it's being uploaded from what appears to be a 14.4k modem connection), feel free to discuss any notable changes in comments below.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/05/08/sony-releases-v3-90-firmware-for-bdp-s300-blu-ray-player/

[grif32]

I have Wild Hogs.

LOL u and Wild Hogs. Its one of those BR's you will be holding onto for awhile. I have it on BR and sad to say I enjoyed it.

Chris

[grif32]

Slow day... plus without the war, HD news is far less interesting. :(

So true.

To be honest I think people are starting to buy less BR now that HD DVD is gone. Sounds strange but I just think BR nut jobs were just buying titles to influence the #'s..

I would always see threads about "Where to buy BR's just so they reflect in the weekly #'s" sad but true..

Chris

[PrimeBane]

For sure... I know I was guilty of participating in HD DVD buys days.

There just isn't a lot to buy out there now. And I'm so spoiled with bogos and sales that I refuse to buy new releases at $30 or more a pop unless it's a MUST have movie.

[ewto16]

For sure... I know I was guilty of participating in HD DVD buys days.

There just isn't a lot to buy out there now. And I'm so spoiled with bogos and sales that I refuse to buy new releases at $30 or more a pop unless it's a MUST have movie.

I'm a cheapass to start with, but I totally agree. I'm not buying a new BD when it is like $30, unless it is something I have to have. There are a few movies like that coming out in the future (Iron Man, Indiana Jones, Batman 1 & 2) but other than stuff that I know I love, I'm not doing it.

I've purposely not bought some movies, so I can really take advantage of a good B1G1 when I see it. Previously, I had to buy a few movies that I never saw and ones that I was only moderately interested in owning. Next time there is a good B1G1, I'll have a bunch of movies I actually want.

[grif32]

I hear ya on the Bogo. But I dont see one coming anytime soon tho. But you never know. BR sales are slow so a Bogo might help get rid of some old stock

Chris

[oaktown2000]

I have Wild Hogs.

Dude....you have Wild Hogs?!?!

I had no idea.....I've been looking for a good deal on that.






;)

Nobody has movies for sale on swap meet Friday, huh?


Off the top of my head I got Enchanted, ID4, Michael Clayton, and Walk Hard. But I'm probably gonna wait until I get the entire list...so i can FIRST OFFER IT AS A LOT...before I sell off individually. Don't want to ruffle any feathers :)

[GPWYANKEE]

I have Wild Hogs.


:D

[PrimeBane]

I think I'm going to part with a few movies as well from both formats... some I'll just never watch again.

[GPWYANKEE]

After cashing up all my HD Flicks my living room feels empty-Instantly went from 164 High def movies to 88:(

[ewto16]

Dude....you have Wild Hogs?!?!

I had no idea.....I've been looking for a good deal on that.

Off the top of my head I got Enchanted, ID4, Michael Clayton, and Walk Hard. But I'm probably gonna wait until I get the entire list...so i can FIRST OFFER IT AS A LOT...before I sell off individually. Don't want to ruffle any feathers :)

You are in luck.....turns out you need 5 movies for it to be considered a "lot" for sale. 4 doesn't qualify and is just considered a "bunch", so I'll sell you Wild Hogs.

In the end, we are both happy. :p

[JaylisJayP]

Dude....you have Wild Hogs?!?!

I had no idea.....I've been looking for a good deal on that.






;)




Off the top of my head I got Enchanted, ID4, Michael Clayton, and Walk Hard. But I'm probably gonna wait until I get the entire list...so i can FIRST OFFER IT AS A LOT...before I sell off individually. Don't want to ruffle any feathers :)

If you go individual at any point I'm interested in Michael Clayton.

[petenfld]

So true.

To be honest I think people are starting to buy less BR now that HD DVD is gone. Sounds strange but I just think BR nut jobs were just buying titles to influence the #'s..

I would always see threads about "Where to buy BR's just so they reflect in the weekly #'s" sad but true..

Chris

There just isn't anything worth buying or renting right now
The fall will pick up with the summer blockbusters coming out and other long awaited titles
It is just theatre season right ntil mid summer and then it will be home movie season until after Christmas

[JaylisJayP]

^^^Agreed, but I'd say June 3 is a very good release day for blu-ray.

TWBB
Cloverfield
Signs
The Recruit
The 5 war movies
The 5 Dirty Harry movies

I'll be getting 3-4 that day, and that'll be me showing restraint.

[grif32]

There just isn't anything worth buying or renting right now
The fall will pick up with the summer blockbusters coming out and other long awaited titles
It is just theatre season right ntil mid summer and then it will be home movie season until after Christmas

There has been alot of crap out for BR but people bought it anyway just to get the #'s up.

We will see what happens soon. Jay listed some pretty good titles coming. Hopefully it will give BR a boost.

[imaginegrafix]

They need a cheap SA player - that's what it boils down to, if it doesn't happen by next x-mas..... blu-ray is the next umd.

I bought Juno and P.S. I love you as a mothers day gift for the misses - other than that, I haven't purchased anything in quite a while - wouldn't have even bought those if it wasn't for mother's day.

A few cheap HD Dvd's here and there, but not much buying for me lately.

[GPWYANKEE]

Im bummed at the crappy reviews the Ozzfest Blu Ray got:(

[grif32]

K-MART $5.00 OFF ANY blu-ray disc 5/11-5/17

People are saying they have Twister for $20.99 - $5.00 = A great deal. I will have to check it out tomorrow. Have not been to a Kmart in years.

[quiggle]

could someone please recommend a solid and reliable indoor HDTV antenna? thanks!

[JaylisJayP]

K-MART $5.00 OFF ANY blu-ray disc 5/11-5/17

People are saying they have Twister for $20.99 - $5.00 = A great deal. I will have to check it out tomorrow. Have not been to a Kmart in years.

I think there's 1 K-Mart left in the area, but it'd cost more than $5 round trip for me to get there...so.....

[darksaber]

K-MART $5.00 OFF ANY blu-ray disc 5/11-5/17

People are saying they have Twister for $20.99 - $5.00 = A great deal. I will have to check it out tomorrow. Have not been to a Kmart in years.

when you check out the web site to chech what disc's they have I end up on sears.com:confused:

[SmartassBoiler]

Im bummed at the crappy reviews the Ozzfest Blu Ray got:(

I'm usually a pretty big fan of a good number of bands that tour on Ozzfest, and I had planned on picking this up, but the set list of what's on the DVD really turned me off.

[grif32]

when you check out the web site to chech what disc's they have I end up on sears.com:confused:

I know sears bought them out awhile back

[HollandX]

could someone please recommend a solid and reliable indoor HDTV antenna? thanks!

There is no "HDTV" antenna that is better than a "regular" antenna. Anything you read to that effect is just marketing. Any indoor antenna that will reach will work. You may already even have an old one lying around in your house.

Use www.antennaweb.org to find out how big of an antenna you'll need. I live in a major city, and a $20 antenna I bought at Circuit City gets me all the local channels in HD.

[MPCanes]

I don't even use an antenna - I get my local stations in HD over basic cable (I don't have an HD set-top box).

[WingNut 25]

Is the KMart deal in-store or online?

[grif32]

Is the KMart deal in-store or online?

I think just in-store. The ad's come out tomorrow and should have it in there.

Chris

[grif32]

There is no "HDTV" antenna that is better than a "regular" antenna. Anything you read to that effect is just marketing. Any indoor antenna that will reach will work. You may already even have an old one lying around in your house.

Use www.antennaweb.org (http://www.antennaweb.org) to find out how big of an antenna you'll need. I live in a major city, and a $20 antenna I bought at Circuit City gets me all the local channels in HD.

True. I had a $5 antenna that worked great.

[MPCanes]

Anyone have any experience using a plasma TV as a PC monitor?

Mind you, the PC will basically only be hooked up for gaming - It's not like I'll be surfing the web for 8 hours on it.

The more I think about it, it's basically 100% gaming computer - no use for it for anything else.

Will a DVI --> HDMI converter get the job done, and will everything be scaled properly on a 1080p set?

Help :D

[GPWYANKEE]

K-MART $5.00 OFF ANY blu-ray disc 5/11-5/17

People are saying they have Twister for $20.99 - $5.00 = A great deal. I will have to check it out tomorrow. Have not been to a Kmart in years.

Thanks for the heads up-Got the only copy at my K-Mart.The rest of the Blu Rays were priced pretty high but Twister was a deal for sure.

[grif32]

Thanks for the heads up-Got the only copy at my K-Mart.The rest of the Blu Rays were priced pretty high but Twister was a deal for sure.

Sweet

Chris

[grif32]

Anyone have any experience using a plasma TV as a PC monitor?

Mind you, the PC will basically only be hooked up for gaming - It's not like I'll be surfing the web for 8 hours on it.

The more I think about it, it's basically 100% gaming computer - no use for it for anything else.

Will a DVI --> HDMI converter get the job done, and will everything be scaled properly on a 1080p set?

Help :D

Never used mine as a PC monitor YET! I was thinking about hooking it up but really never got around to it.

[quiggle]

thanks for the antenna information!

[CoachB]

I thought it was funny. And it's not too bad to own, especially when you get it for free with your 5 free ones:DLOL u and Wild Hogs. Its one of those BR's you will be holding onto for awhile. I have it on BR and sad to say I enjoyed it.

Chris

[WingNut 25]

No luck on Twister at KMart.

[Kleptos18]

so i watch cloverfield (sDVD) today. God that sucked. Glad I didn't wait for the blu and then buy it blind :(

Motion sickness :(

[GPWYANKEE]

so i watch cloverfield (sDVD) today. God that sucked. Glad I didn't wait for the blu and then buy it blind :(

Motion sickness :(

See i was the polar opposite-I loved it and cant wait for the Blu Ray.

[GPWYANKEE]

Picked up some nice Blu Ray replacements from Best Buys on their buy 2 for $30.00 deal.Grabbed Departed and 300.

[HollandX]

so i watch cloverfield (sDVD) today. God that sucked. Glad I didn't wait for the blu and then buy it blind :(

Motion sickness :(

:(

I get incredibly nauseous in the theater and had to keep my eyes closed a lot.

I was hoping I would be able to watch it on BD at home and not be so sick watching on a smaller screen.

You do not give me hope.

:(

[HollandX]

*farts*

Is this for your bedroom or your guest bedroom?

IMO, it's good enough for casual viewing... I'm not sure I'd want it as my main viewing panel however.

But $1300 for a 47" 1080p tv, I think one can overlook any flaws this set might have. :)

You could always ship it to me first for a full hands on review. ;)

My Best Buy had a special on this one for $1299.99 new.

Toshiba - REGZA 46" 1080p Flat-Panel LCD HDTV Model: 46RV530U

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8743498&st=toshiba+46%22&lp=1&type=product&cp=1&id=1205537746887

With 36 months no interest, I was pretty pleased.

It's obviously not state of the art. But it's just for my bedroom, so I think I'll be ok. My only HD source on it will be cable HD. And I have a lot of 4:3 Tv Shows on DVD I hate watching stretched on my plasma. So now I'll have a place to hide and watch them worry-free at OAR.

I haven't hooked it up yet, but I'll give a full review when I do!

:D

[ToightLikeATiger]

Picked up some nice Blu Ray replacements from Best Buys on their buy 2 for $30.00 deal.Grabbed Departed and 300.

What deal is that? I didnt see it in the ad or online.

[TastySweetNutz]

Picked up some nice Blu Ray replacements from Best Buys on their buy 2 for $30.00 deal.Grabbed Departed and 300.

Is that in the weekly flyer? I need a BR replacement for 300 as well as a few others.

[JaylisJayP]

I didn't hear about that deal, either. Do you have to trade in the HD DVDs?

[GPWYANKEE]

Dont need to trade in anything-It is honored in the stores but is unadvertised

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54707

Heres the link

[JaylisJayP]

Dont need to trade in anything-It is honored in the stores but is unadvertised

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54707

Heres the link

Damn, nothing I want or don't already own....however, there are some great titles in there.

[GPWYANKEE]

Worked great for me because i had several of these on HD DVD and wanted to get them on Blu now that the others are gone.

[GPWYANKEE]

My Circuit City had Chronicles of Narnia out:D-They wouldnt sell it but they had them out:mad::mad:Theres a $10.00 mail in rebate for regular Dvd owners like the other Disney titles have been.

[TastySweetNutz]

Dont need to trade in anything-It is honored in the stores but is unadvertised

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54707

Heres the link

Thanks for the link GP. I just sold my HD-DVD Pan's Labyrinth and 300 and this is just what I needed.

[R. Giles]

There's 4 on that list I want to get and has anybody found Narnia cheaper then 30 bucks. I know Best Buy has it for 30 bucks and I'm not spending that much for it.

[GPWYANKEE]

Thanks for the link GP. I just sold my HD-DVD Pan's Labyrinth and 300 and this is just what I needed.

Sweet-Pans and 300 are must owns for sure.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Dont need to trade in anything-It is honored in the stores but is unadvertised

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54707

Heres the link

Grabbed The Rock & The Punisher! Thanks for the link my friend! :)

[TastySweetNutz]

Most definitely agree. Two very visually stimulating movies that do HD justice.

[JaylisJayP]

There's 4 on that list I want to get and has anybody found Narnia cheaper then 30 bucks. I know Best Buy has it for 30 bucks and I'm not spending that much for it.

It's $23 on Amazon....so you could print out a target.com or borders.com search of it and price match. That's typically what I do.

[JaylisJayP]

I'm really on the fence with Master and Commander. I traded in my DVD version in anticipation of it's blu-ray release, but the reviews have been all over the place. The latest one seems pretty accurate, and if so, I'm not sure I can spend $30 right now on it.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/33188/master-and-commander-the-far-side-of-the-world/

[JaylisJayP]

Most definitely agree. Two very visually stimulating movies that do HD justice.

Seriously, The Punisher looks good?

[freezerfuel]

Dont need to trade in anything-It is honored in the stores but is unadvertised

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=54707

Heres the link

Any Canadians try price-matching this at all?

Picked up and watched Twister. Still highly entertaining and doesn't show it's age... just a fun movie.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Just finished watching Flyboys. Was a very good movie. Really enjoyed it.

[TastySweetNutz]

Seriously, The Punisher looks good?

Sorry bud, I was referring to GP's post about Pan's and 300. Should've quoted him but Toight slipped his post in there.

[JaylisJayP]

Just finished watching Flyboys. Was a very good movie. Really enjoyed it.

Nice, someone else who liked Flyboys. The blu is amazing, as well. I want to revisit this one now that I have a new receiver.

[R. Giles]

I have the regular dvd and the movie wasn't bad, but read that the flyboys blu is one of the best in picture.

[JaylisJayP]

I have the regular dvd and the movie wasn't bad, but read that the flyboys blu is one of the best in picture.

Lots of bright, outside day shots = typical blu-ray eye candy.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I have a few BD's for sale All are $15 or $70 DLVD for the lot
Me Myself and Irene- Watched once
Die Hard sealed
Die Hard 2 sealed
Die Hard 3 sealed
Live Free or Die Hard sealed

[johnnyknoxsvill]

bump

[grif32]

My Circuit City had Chronicles of Narnia out:D-They wouldnt sell it but they had them out:mad::mad:Theres a $10.00 mail in rebate for regular Dvd owners like the other Disney titles have been.

I thought they had to or you get a gift card. Or maybe that BB.