Let's compare two MLB players (Support Keith Hernandez!)

[Hardcore Legend]

Player 1
2153 Hits
442 Doubles
222 Homeruns
1099 RBIs
.307 BA
.829 OPS

6 Time All-Star
1 MVP Award
9 Gold Gloves
3 Silver Sluggers
0 World Championships

Player 2
2182 Hits
426 Doubles
162 Homeruns
1071 RBIs
.296 BA
.820 OPS

5 Time All-Star
1 MVP Award
11 Gold Gloves
2 Silver Sluggers (didn't exist for first 6 seasons of career)
2 World Championships

Player 1 has 2 figures already, Player 2 probably will never get a figure.

[Variant Dude]

Wonderful

[dave4243]

Fill us in?

[Tarheelfan44]

current or all-time?

[shemp]

Player 2
Keith Hernandez?

[Tarheelfan44]

P1= Mattingly

P2 = keith hernandez

[Poochiesdead]

Has to be current, the only legend with 2 figures is Nolan Ryan.

*Edit* I guess he's counting the 3 inch Mattingly. Leave Donnie Baseball alone! :mad: :p

[Xar]

He's saying Keith Hernandez should receive a figure and complaining that Don Mattingly has already received 2 figures

:D

[zurita54]

I would say it's bad to use Don Mattingly as a measuring stick consdering he only got a figure because he is a Yankee.

[Hardcore Legend]

I would say it's bad to use Don Mattingly as a measuring stick consdering he only got a figure because he is a Yankee.

That was the point of using him. Don Mattingly, apparently, only go the figure because he was a Yankee. Keith Hernandez, a fellow New York player, who has comparable stats (and arguably had a better career) than 'Donnie Baseball' won't ever sniff a TMP figure.

Get it, sniff?

[Poochiesdead]

I would bet that's exactly why he's using Mattingly.

[SharpyDave]

So are you saying Mattingly should not have been made or are you saying Hernandez should be made?

[Xar]

JOE CARTER!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hardcore Legend]

So are you saying Mattingly should not have been made or are you saying Hernandez should be made?

Since Mattingly was made, I would hope the Hernandez wouldn't be far behind.

I really don't care if a player like Mattingly is made in the Cooperstown series. He's a part of baseball history, so, to me...that gives him merit. Hernandez, though, is a player who seems to be just as deserving.

In fact, I'm starting my campaign for a Keith Hernandez SP for no particular reason with cocaine beard chase!

[SacKingsFan]

Hernandez's career was nothing to spit at but Mattingly gets him by a hair...

[Hardcore Legend]

Hernandez's career was nothing to spit at but Mattingly gets him by a hair...


I dunno. Being the greatest defensive 1st basemen of all time has to get you some bonus points.

Not to mention being the All-Time leader in Game Winning RBIs (a silly stat, as it is)

[DWRIGHT THE SAVIOR]

I dunno. Being the greatest defensive 1st basemen of all time has to get you some bonus points.

Not to mention being the All-Time leader in Game Winning RBIs (a silly stat, as it is)

i'd buy a mex even if they only made him as a card...........nice topic hardcore

[snedden001]

Keith Hernandez Coop?

Signed:)

[Hardcore Legend]

i'd buy a mex even if they only made him as a card...........nice topic hardcore

And I'd do it reverse of that, buy it if only it were a Met.

[creeves33]

Yeah and aren't they called cooperstown? Is Mattingly in cooperstown? No.

[SmartassBoiler]

Yeah and aren't they called cooperstown? Is Mattingly in cooperstown? No.

This has been explained ad nauseum. In fact, I just threw up reading this post.

[Tanner2126]

donnie baseball = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Durstlimpbizkit]

You want to know why Keith Hernandez never got an SP? Pretty simple, he was on Seinfeld.

[UFCFan]

Yeah and aren't they called cooperstown? Is Mattingly in cooperstown? No.

You're a derelict. How long have you been here and how many times has it been explained? Could you also please get rid of that obnoxiously large and outdated sig while you're at it? The whole "insert person x" as a South Park character was old 8 years ago.

[almostimpos]

Keith Hernandez was a pretty good player. It has been noted the similar stats but it wasn't shown how many seasons each played. Mattingly compiled his stats in 14 seasons and Hernandez in 17 seasons. Mattingly finished his career stronger. I was suprised to see Mattingly in the Legends Series but I would be even more suprised to see Hernandez. I do think Hernandez is worth consideration though.

[UFCFan]

Hernandez is deserving if we are talking strictly on numbers. However, he was never as popular as Mattingly was, especially when Donny was in his prime. A good amount of that can be attributed to the Yankee factor, but I know a hell of a lot of people who loved Mattingly and couldn't stand the Yankees.

Oh, while we're on the topic of underappreciated first basemen, I wouldn't seeing a Steve Garvey or Eddie Murray, either.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Here's two to eddie murray, and what about Good ol Lou Gehrig, imagine what would have happened if his life wasn't cut short

[SmartassBoiler]

Here's two to eddie murray, and what about Good ol Lou Gehrig, imagine what would have happened if his life wasn't cut short

He's a Yankee and is thus a lock to be made before more deserving players. :p

Honestly though, being that he has passed on, it might be harder to secure the license to make him.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

He's a Yankee and is thus a lock to be made before more deserving players. :p

Honestly though, being that he has passed on, it might be harder to secure the license to make him.

He's a pretty deserving player I'd think in more than just a Yankees fan's eyes, i mean come on 493 HR's 8 200 H seasons, almost 2000 RBI's, with a career AVG. of .340, I think that's pretty deserving

This doesn't lessen my want for a Murray figure however.

[Therman Merman]

Yeah and aren't they called cooperstown? Is Mattingly in cooperstown? No.

This has been explained ad nauseum. In fact, I just threw up reading this post.
You too, huh?

[Tarheelfan44]

keith hernandez- that was one magic lougie.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

keith hernandez- that was one magic lougie.

Good to see that somebody else recognized that there was more than one spitter

[jPoD]

JOE CARTER!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate you :mad:

[mgratton]

He's a Yankee and is thus a lock to be made before more deserving players. :p

Honestly though, being that he has passed on, it might be harder to secure the license to make him.

Gehrig should be a relatively easy license to acquire since his likeness is licensed by CMG.

[Bravescat]

Player 1
2153 Hits
442 Doubles
222 Homeruns
1099 RBIs
.307 BA
.829 OPS

6 Time All-Star
1 MVP Award
9 Gold Gloves
3 Silver Sluggers
0 World Championships

Player 2
2182 Hits
426 Doubles
162 Homeruns
1071 RBIs
.296 BA
.820 OPS

5 Time All-Star
1 MVP Award
11 Gold Gloves
2 Silver Sluggers (didn't exist for first 6 seasons of career)
2 World Championships

Player 1 has 2 figures already, Player 2 probably will never get a figure.


How about
Player 3
2111 Hits
350 Doubles
398 Homeruns
1266 RBIs
.265 BA
.815 OPS

7 Time All-Star
2 MVP Award
5 Gold Gloves
4 Silver Sluggers (didn't exist for first 6 seasons of career)
0 World Championships
1 Heck of a Great Guy!


DALE MURPHY!

[yankeefan23]

Many people consider Mattingly the most domminant player in baseball from 1983 to 1988 the same is not true about Hernandez. Yes their careers were similar in length but Mattingly's numbers were mainly posted in that 6 year span. If it wasn't for major back issues Mattingly probably would have had 3000 hits.

[Hardcore Legend]

Keith Hernandez was a pretty good player. It has been noted the similar stats but it wasn't shown how many seasons each played. Mattingly compiled his stats in 14 seasons and Hernandez in 17 seasons.

Keith Hernandez played in 2088 career games and had 7370 at-bats.
Don Mattingly played in 1785 career games and had 7007 at-bats.

Hernandez techincally did play 3 extra seasons, but remember the 81 season was cut short because of the strike and Hernandez first and last seasons combined for 57 games.

Hernandez, like Mattingly, had his career ended by a series of back injuries. Mex was the greatest defensive first basemen of all-time.

[almostimpos]

Keith Hernandez played in 2088 career games and had 7370 at-bats.
Don Mattingly played in 1785 career games and had 7007 at-bats.

Hernandez techincally did play 3 extra seasons, but remember the 81 season was cut short because of the strike and Hernandez first and last seasons combined for 57 games.

Hernandez, like Mattingly, had his career ended by a series of back injuries. Mex was the greatest defensive first basemen of all-time.

The biggest problem I would have seeing a figure made of Hernandez is that there are those in the HOF that played around the same time that should probably have one first.

Other than that Hernandez was a really good hitter. He should have finished about 300 for his lifetime batting average but with many players towards the end of their career they finish poorly compared to when they were in their prime. Hernandez was a 300 hitter. I mean he consistently hit around 300 every year except of course for his batting title season. He wasn't like todays players that hit for a high average some years and dip way below in other years.

As for Mattingly he was a great hitter. He finished above 300 at 307. Mattingly started his career like he was going to be in the HOF. He probably would have made it if he could have played some more full seasons healthy. I don't know how popular Hernandez would be if they made a figure of him but I think he would be a popular figure to pick up for many collectors. Hernandez would have two good options (Cardinals and Mets)

[bjk311nh]

You're a derelict. How long have you been here and how many times has it been explained? Could you also please get rid of that obnoxiously large and outdated sig while you're at it? The whole "insert person x" as a South Park character was old 8 years ago.

I was going to comment as well.........but this one works. I normally don't call people this, but what a newb.

As for the original topic, I'd buy a Mets Hernandez and MAYBE a Cards. I doubt we'd see his figure but if his rights were cheap enough then who knows. McFarlane seems to mix it the legends with lesser guys. Like they said, you can't make all the superstars in one set.

[Hardcore Legend]

Hernandez would never get a Cardinals chase. If you though Carlton was bitter about getting traded for wanting more money, Hernandez is more than likely twice as bitter for being fired for being a coke head.

[mgratton]

Keith Hernandez played in 2088 career games and had 7370 at-bats.
Don Mattingly played in 1785 career games and had 7007 at-bats.

Hernandez techincally did play 3 extra seasons, but remember the 81 season was cut short because of the strike and Hernandez first and last seasons combined for 57 games.

Hernandez, like Mattingly, had his career ended by a series of back injuries. Mex was the greatest defensive first basemen of all-time.

But Mattingly's first season was only 7 games. So that really means that Mattingly did his work in 13 seasons. Plus, he had the 1994 strike season where he played in less games than Hernandez did during the 1981 season.

[Hardcore Legend]

But Mattingly's first season was only 7 games. So that really means that Mattingly did his work in 13 seasons. Plus, he had the 1994 strike season where he played in less games than Hernandez did during the 1981 season.

Which is why I showed the games played and at-bats of each player. I wasn't trying to hide anything.

[Mark Weber]

That was the point of using him. Don Mattingly, apparently, only go the figure because he was a Yankee. Keith Hernandez, a fellow New York player, who has comparable stats (and arguably had a better career) than 'Donnie Baseball' won't ever sniff a TMP figure.

Get it, sniff?

Don't forget Keith Hernandez splitting his career between two different cities.

The first Mattingly was a 3-inch event exclusive too, just for clarity.

And Keith Hernandez's MVP was a co-MVP, if I'm not mistaken.

[Mark Weber]

Yeah and aren't they called cooperstown? Is Mattingly in cooperstown? No.

Any uniform more than two seasons old becomes licensed propert of the MLB Hall of Fame as part of their "Cooperstown Collection." We could make Charlie Kerfeld and he's still part of the Cooperstown Collection. Guys like Mattingly, Maris & Ripken (who wasn't a HOF member when we made him) can be part of the Cooperstown Collection simply becuase of the jerseys we're replicating.

[Hardcore Legend]

I'm sending this one 'on a line' to the top.

Get it, a line?

[DWRIGHT THE SAVIOR]

Let's make it a petition


SIGNED for Mr. tootsie pop himself

[BradydaMan]

I liked Mattingly better than Hernandez...and the numbers mattingly put up had some injured season because of his back i believe..not that I wouldn't mind see a Hernandez in a Mets uni...

[Hardcore Legend]

Agreed, with this pose, a tactic he used that baseball eventually banned because he was too darn good at it:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/DIMPHardcore/hernandezpose.jpg

[bigblu89]

Signed.

I mirror most of what Hardcore is saying.

Coke Mirror, that is.

[Hardcore Legend]

Coke Mirror, that is.

Now you're getting the hang of it!

[quiggle]

Hernandez had more talented teammates than Mattingly

[bigblu89]

Hernandez had more talented teammates than Mattingly

I think that's one of the reasons Mattingly was as popular as he is. Back when Mattingly was playing, he was really the only Superstar on the team, other than Dave Winfield.

Through most of Hernandez' run on the Mets at least, the fanbase was split between him, Gooden, Straw, Carter, Dykstra etc.

When Mattingly played, EVERY young Yankee fan named Mattingly as their favorite player.

[BurningSoul]

Wade Boggs anyone?

[quiggle]

Wade Boggs anyone?

he's a mercenary

[ptrac30]

Ill take KEITH over Mattingly anyday. Plus I've met him a few times and the guy is about as cool as you can imagine. Talks to you like hes known you for years.

[SDhalcon]

Wade Boggs anyone?

Can we get a Tony Gwynn up in here? He trumps Hernandez and Mattingly.

[rupy017]

When's the Mark Grace figure coming out?
Since we're talking about 1st Basemen

[shawnspookcity]

There's no Andre Dawson and he was better than Mattingly and Hernandez.

Mattingly was a popular player during his time and he was a yankee. So people will buy. Will they buy the guy that spit on Kramer? Probably not.

[BradydaMan]

Mattingly vs Boggs was great for baseball at least if you lived in NY and Boston

[Frank Barone]

Steve Garvey deserves a figure before either of them...

[rupy017]

Mattingly vs Boggs was great for baseball at least if you lived in NY and Boston

That would actually be a decent 2 pack.
I'd buy that before I'd buy that lame Jeter/Nomar 2 pack from a few years ago.

[rupy017]

Steve Garvey deserves a figure before either of them...

Who's Steve Garvey?

[Hardcore Legend]

Steve Garvey deserves a figure before either of them...

No.

[SDhalcon]

Steve Garvey deserves a figure before either of them...

Oh my liver, my liver. :D Thanks for the laugh. I am a huge Padres fan but I cannot stand that SOB. His shining moment was the '84 NLCS, the Padres (soley on the merits of that lone HR) retired his number, and he has treated the organization like crap. If he ever did get a figure, it would be as a Dodger, reason enough for me to never want to buy one.

[RipkenFan8]

JOE CARTER!!!!!!!!!!!


:D:D:D

[flesh_gordon]

Player
2247 Hits
514 Doubles
309 HR
1261 RBI
.312 Batting AVG.
7 Time All Star
5 Time SS

though no respect :(

[naiot]

I am a Yankee fan and also a NY sports fan, so I hope that TMP would make a "Mex" sp. So I sign for a Keith Hernandez NY Mets SP, maybe a St. Louis chase.

[naiot]

hey look what i found about Keith Hernandez.

Defensive skills

According to Marty Noble of MLB.com, Hernandez may have been the best defensive first baseman in MLB history. Hernandez had such a strong and accurate throwing arm that, as a result, the Mets re-routed their relays through him. Due to his quick instincts, Hernandez was also able to play further off first base than other first basemen, allowing the other infielders to play further to their right.

Noble estimated that the difference between Hernandez’s defensive abilities and any other first baseman is greater than the differences separating the top two defenders at any other position. For example, whether one believes that Ozzie Smith, Omar Vizquel or Mark Belanger was the best defensive shortstop, one would also recognize the other two as comparable. The same with Willie Mays, Andruw Jones, Paul Blair and Ken Berry in center field or Jim Kaat, Greg Maddux or Bobby Shantz among pitchers.

He was the most aggressive first baseman, occasionally discouraging opponents to bunt merely by reputation. Pete Rose, when he managed the Cincinnati Reds, compared bunting against Hernandez to "driving the lane against Bill Russell," and Jim Frey, the Chicago Cubs manager, said he wouldn't ask most pitchers to bunt against the Mets. "You're just asking for a forceout at second, and now you've got your pitcher running the bases," he said.

Astros manager Hal Lanier said the combination of Hernandez at first and any one of three Mets pitchers -- Ron Darling, Roger McDowell or Jesse Orosco -- made bunting against the Mets "near impossible."

Hernandez also revolutionized the position -- until umpires disallowed what he did -- by taking pickoff throws while essentially squatting in foul territory so that he could make tags to his right more readily. (Positioning oneself in foul territory is now illegal, according to official baseball rules, which state that all defensive players except the catcher must be positioned in fair territory while the ball is pitched.