Rockies v. Padres

[avsfan21]

Not looking good so far for the Padres. Rockies are up 3-0 in the 2nd.

It would be nice to see the Rockies make it to the playoffs. If they do make watch out they are for sure hot.

[Elias_Devil]

Rockies/Phillies should be one hell of an NLDS.

[J3-M8]

Go Rockies!

[avsfan21]

Well Fogg just gave up a GS, to make it 4-3.

[avsfan21]

Now he loaded them up again.

[starscream's ghost]

fogg out after allowing a double to start the 5th

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Damn that Adrian Gonzalez.

[Variant Dude]

It looks like a typical Coors game. Will the Rockies go to Francis at all tonight?

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Wow, when I left it looked like Peavy was completely lost out there.

On a statistical note the Gonzalez GS gave him 30 HR's and 100 RBI's on the year.

[avsfan21]

Rox tie it up.

[SmartassBoiler]

On a statistical note the Gonzalez GS gave him 30 HR's and 100 RBI's on the year.

I'm not sure if you're talking about simply his season total, or his official season stats. The stats tonight do not count towards official 2007 season stats as it's considered a postseason game.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

I'm not sure if you're talking about simply his season total, or his official season stats. The stats tonight do not count towards official 2007 season stats as it's considered a postseason game.

Yes they do. They count tonight. If you look at the box scores they're credited for the regular season, and the announcers also stated that they'd count as well for the regular season.

[DWRIGHT THE SAVIOR]

Yes they do. They count tonight. If you look at the box scores they're credited for the regular season, and the announcers also stated that they'd count as well for the regular season.

yep...dead on

[avsfan21]

Rockies are starting to go through pitchers like water. That might hurt later on if it goes to extra innings.

[avsfan21]

Rockies take the lead going into the 7th.

[avsfan21]

Can we please get Gonzalez out?

[SmartassBoiler]

Yes they do. They count tonight. If you look at the box scores they're credited for the regular season, and the announcers also stated that they'd count as well for the regular season.

Why would they allow 2 teams worth of players to have an extra game to add to their stat totals?

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Why would they allow 2 teams worth of players to have an extra game to add to their stat totals?

Well I look at it this way, neither one of these teams are technically in the playoffs yet. They are playing an extra game (regular season) to decide whether or not they actually seal a playoff berth. So by that logic, I think is why these stats count for the regular season.

[SmartassBoiler]

Well I look at it this way, neither one of these teams are technically in the playoffs yet. They are playing an extra game (regular season) to decide whether or not they actually seal a playoff berth. So by that logic, I think is why these stats count for the regular season.

Well, color me ******ed. I assumed this was considered a postseason game.

[porculator]

Nope, so for example if Matt Holliday were to go 0-5 or worse tonight, Chipper Jones would win the batting title instead

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Well, color me ******ed. I assumed this was considered a postseason game.

It's okay man, I've made worse mistakes before.

[kelso]

Tied again

[Spawnomite]

woo hoo. tied.

[PhilM]

This has been a pretty good game.

Sloppy defence at times, but, both sides so it evens out.

Back and forth score wise, getting some actual runs for entertainment.

All in all, pretty good stuff.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Yeah this is actually a great game to have to be played for a postseason spot.

[Spawnomite]

on to extra innings now.

[bravesfan]

6-6 Bot 10

[kelso]

That dog has a great seat.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

This is proving to be quite a rollercoaster of a tiebreaker.

And we're missing Sex and the City while it's on :( LOL

[Metros69]

I'm cheering for the Padres. With Jake Peavy throwing 115+ pitches tonight, there's no way he'll pitch any sooner than game 3, which likely means that would be the only time the Phillies would have to face him. Chris Young has really struggled since coming off the DL, so I like that match-up. The Rockies offense scares me more than the Padres do. Either way, I can't wait until Wednesday!

[kelso]

Why not bring in Hoffman?

[sportspick#1fan]

C'mon Rocks I need to get to bed....4:45 comes early!

[PhilM]

not winning,
Think they're saving him for when they have a lead, or if someone works them into a bases loaded and totally screwed situation.

[kelso]

The poor dog is exhausted from standing all game.

[brian c]

Will the real wild card please stand up?

B.

[Metros69]

Jorge Julio is in, Padres about to take the lead...

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Jorge Julio is in, Padres about to take the lead...

I was thinking the same thing. Kiss the season goodbye, Rockies fans.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Scott Hairston may have ended Colorado's season.

Padres 8 Rockies 6

[PhilM]

good call by you guys heh
2 run shot, 8-6

[MarkG]

2-run homer!!

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Who didn't see that coming?

[kelso]

Julio is terrible

[Hardcore Legend]

That's the game. Clint must be thinking "Why me? Why do I keep getting screwed on HR calls this year?"

[avsfan21]

Well look who blows it again.

[starscream's ghost]

where's my torch?! i'm chasin julio outta denver myself!

[Metros69]

It's nice to see that Julio hasn't changed any over the years.

[starscream's ghost]

That's the game. Clint must be thinking "Why me? Why do I keep getting screwed on HR calls this year?"
ain't that the truth. second time in the second half that the rockies have lost a disputed hr and the rox go on to blow it

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

It's too bad because the Rockies won the head-to-head series this season against the Padres, I don't even know why they played this game. The Padres will go into the playoffs and do nothing as usual while the Rockies who could have done some damage will be sitting at home. As a baseball fan, this sucks.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

I knew that would be the Jorge Julio that would haunt the Rockies, he's been terrible with every team he played with until he had some brief success with the Rox until today.

[Hardcore Legend]

TBS has an intro video for Trevor Hoffman? What is this, the WWE?

[starscream's ghost]

It's too bad because the Rockies won the head-to-head series this season against the Padres, I don't even know why they played this game. The Padres will go into the playoffs and do nothing as usual while the Rockies who could have done some damage will be sitting at home. As a baseball fan, this sucks.
that'd just be too convient for the mlb. sure, i love that the rockies got themselves in this situation (the game, not the score) but in the other leagues it works with other tiebreakers first. why can't mlb use something like the rest of sports?

here comes hells bells, and the end of the rockies season. just hope holliday doesn't also lose the batting title

[Durstlimpbizkit]

It ain't over. If I recall Milwaukee just hammered Hoffman a couple days ago...

Edit:

I ate my own words.

[Spawnomite]

DANG!!!!!! this game is still on.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Come on Rockies! 8-7 now!

[Hardcore Legend]

Unbelievable. One of the greatest MLB games all-time.

[PhilM]

GAME OF THE YEAR!

wow

[kelso]

What else does he have to do to win MVP

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

TIE GAME!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Step away from the ledge Starscream!

[HankScorpio]

It's games like this that remind me why I love baseball.

[Spawnomite]

I'm frickin stunned right now!!!

[jenningstime]

niceeeeeeee......go rockies!

[kelso]

ROCKIES WIN

[Spawnomite]

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PhilM]

what a game,

incredible stuff

holliday down and out, but they're in the show

[Hardcore Legend]

Barrett screws another team. Game over!

Holliday injured on the play at the plate.

[jenningstime]

wow, tough L for Trevor Hoffman....going to make for a looong offseason

[HankScorpio]

Never slide head-first into home.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Somebody's bullpen is gonna be worn out. LOL.

[ChiSoxFan]

That game was incredible and I'm glad the Rockies won so I have a reason to watch baseball now because my team didn't do so hot this year. :D

[Hardcore Legend]

wow, tough L for Trevor Hoffman....going to make for a looong offseason

He'll have to spend more time running with his shirt off in the outfield and thinking about how he is going to blow more saves in big games (*cough*All-Star Game*cough*)

Holliday never touched home.

[jskrap]

He missed the plate then the ump decided to just call him safe anyway. Wow.

[PhilM]

haha, blown call, awesome

[kelso]

Holiday didn't even tag the plate.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Wow there was no tag on the plate!!!

Lame.

[Metros69]

Wow, that ump knew that he didn't touch home plate but he called him safe anyway.

[Spawnomite]

HE NEVER TOUCHED THE DAMN PLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT A BUNCH OF BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[whoh8sbacon]

Wow, how pissed are the Padres fans right now on that safe call?

[jrp4182]

Wow, exciting ending to the game.

Too bad it had to end a bit tainted.

[GOSKINS_08]

Wow, that was a great game..I dont think the rockies will make it to the World Series, but I would like to see them do well.

[daboltz]

Good luck Rockies! :)

[whoh8sbacon]

Hey, did your Mom tell God to make Tim McClelland to blow that call too, buddy?

[kruzer31]

holiday never touched home plate

[zurita54]

Good luck to toe Rockies since they are playing pretty well right now. Lame call call but oh well not much that can be done about it now.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Yeah I saw him with that interview. Mom tapped God's arm, God thank God for God doing what God did to help us be baseball God players. Thank God You God.

:rolleyes:

[jskrap]

Wow, that ump knew that he didn't touch home plate but he called him safe anyway.

Exactly. He thought about it for a second then decided "F it, I want to go home."

[starscream's ghost]

did i die in the last 10 minutes?

[Hardcore Legend]

Holliday never touched homeplate and that ball was clearly over the fence. Karma is a biznatch.

[starscream's ghost]

that safe call was definetly not correct, but i'll take it since the rox got jobbed on the atkins double that should've been a hr

and for the record, i'm still mad as hell with julio

[kelso]

The city of San Diego just can't catch a break.

[HankScorpio]

We wouldn't have the discussion about whether or not Holiday touched the plate if he slid feet-first...

...I'm just saying.

[lfleishma]

Matt Holliday for MVP

Matt Holiday wins the NL RBI title with 137

[Spawnomite]

that umpire had better watch his back now. some irate fans just might go after him.

[MarkG]

Great comeback!

[starscream's ghost]

holliday for mvp and tulo for roy after tonight

[kelso]

that umpire had better watch his back now. some irate fans just might go after him.
Or because he is in Colorado, someone might buy him a beer.

[Quist03]

why didnt the Padres walk the bases loaded and create the force out at home?

[roeG]

Even the other Rockies' Player that was at the plate thought Holliday was out....check it out on the replay.

[Spawnomite]

Or because he is in Colorado, someone might buy him a beer.he prob should stay there now. :p ;)

[Metros69]

Congrats to the Rockies. Looking forward to a great series starting Wednesday.

What the over/under on how many days (or should it be hours) until Milton Bradley goes off on how bad the umpires are in MLB?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Matt Holliday for MVP

Matt Holiday wins the NL RBI title with 137

Didn't he win the batting title too? He HAS to be the NL MVP now. It would be stupid to give it to Fielder or Howard now.

[jskrap]

His hand could have caught the black of the plate, You can see his hand under the shoe next to the plate.....

Nope, there is an angle where you can clearly see it wasn't close.

[PhilM]

why didnt the Padres walk the bases loaded and create the force out at home?

^ because Jamey Carrol was at the plate

[Metros69]

holliday for mvp and tulo for roy after tonight
I agree with Tulowitski for ROY, and I agreed with Holliday for MVP up until the final week of the season, it's J-Roll's award now.

[Spawnomite]

why didnt the Padres walk the bases load and create the force out at home?hmmm, you're right. oh well, could've, would've, should've...

[Rexy]

Matt Holliday for MVP

Matt Holiday wins the NL RBI title with 137

I don't understand how stats from tonight should count towards the regular season when each player on every other team only gets 162 games, and they get 163?

Shouldn't it just be post seasons stats?

[lloydchristmas81]

I'm in the air if he was safe or not..but if he did...why is there no immediate call? Is this the umps "look at me" kind of thing. He was doing it all night w/the delayed strike calls...and then with the biggest play of the game...you get a slow, non expressive safe call??


Either way congrats Rockies and Rock fans.

[lfleishma]

Didn't he win the batting title too? He HAS to be the NL MVP now. It would be stupid to give it to Fielder or Howard now.

Yes. Holliday won the batting title too. His 2 RBIs tonight jumped past Howard for the NL title.

[lfleishma]

I don't understand how stats from tonight should count towards the regular season when each player on every other team only gets 162 games, and they get 163?

Shouldn't it just be post seasons stats?

Don't know why but check out the box score on ESPN. The stats are being added to the season's total.

[almostimpos]

When I first saw the play live I thought Holiday was out. When I see the replay from behind the plate I cannot see Holidays left hand so I couldn't really say from that angle whether he got the plate or not.. Looking at the other angle it doesn't look like he could have scored since he was blocked off the plate.

[starscream's ghost]

I don't understand how stats from tonight should count towards the regular season when each player on every other team only gets 162 games, and they get 163?

Shouldn't it just be post seasons stats?
it's major league baseball. they clearly have no idea what the hell they're doing

and this will definetly go down as one of those infamous calls that is replayed over and over for all time

[Rexy]

Howard isn't going to win MVP anyway? It's going to be Rollins.

[kruzer31]

Can the Padres file a Protest?

[Lilpuppy99]

Jimmy Rollins for MVP!!!

[Spawnomite]

I hope the Rockies lose now against the Phillies.

[daboltz]

Can the Padres file a Protest?

Maybe, but they should not...

[thaderules]

Great game. Even though I was rooting for the Rockies, I felt sorry for the Padres. That call at the end should have been out.

[Spawnomite]

Can the Padres file a Protest?I don't think so.

[HankScorpio]

it's major league baseball. they clearly have no idea what the hell they're doing

and this will definetly go down as one of those infamous calls that is replayed over and over for all time

If it were the NFL, they'd have some knee-jerk "clarification" of the rule (and the call) by the end of the week. *cough*Tuck rule*cough*

[jskrap]

When I first saw the play live I thought Holiday was out. When I see the replay from behind the plate I cannot see Holidays left hand so I couldn't really say from that angle whether he got the plate or not.. Looking at the other angle it doesn't look like he could have scored since he was blocked off the plate.

The replay from 3rd base that ESPN has been playing shows that he wasn't even close to safe. BUT, Hoffman would have probably still blown it anyway. I'll be pulling for the Rockies here on out though. Great season for them.

[RAIDEN6]

whats the song they were playing at the stadium later in the game? It's a techno song, i use to know the name. Anyone know?

[lfleishma]

Jimmy Rollins for MVP!!!

He wasn't even the MVP for the Phillies. Utley was until he got injured and then Howard was the rest of the season.

Phillies improved 4 games over 2006 versus 14 games for the Rockies.

Holliday won the batting title and RBI title.

[SunDevil]

what a game. tough way for the Pads to go down. Bad call? Yeah. But Trevor blew it, and there's nothing that can be said about that. it's a shame...

[starscream's ghost]

did barrett tag him with the ball? on all the replays, i haven't really been paying attention to that. i just assumed barrett didn't have the ball since he dropped it. still think holliday should've tried to reach out to touch the base after he slid, though

[jskrap]

what a game. tough way for the Pads to go down. Bad call? Yeah. But Trevor blew it, and there's nothing that can be said about that. it's a shame...

He also blew the save against the Brewers on Saturday. They shouldn't of even had to play this game today.

[mac21]

I agree Holliday did not touch homeplate but after the way Hoffman was pitching it was a fitting end to an awesome game

[jskrap]

did barrett tag him with the ball? on all the replays, i haven't really been paying attention to that. i just assumed barrett didn't have the ball since he dropped it. still think holliday should've tried to reach out to touch the base after he slid, though

Yep he did. He grabed it and slowly crawled over to Holiday and tagged him.

[Hardcore Legend]

I'm in the air if he was safe or not..but if he did...why is there no immediate call? Is this the umps "look at me" kind of thing. He was doing it all night w/the delayed strike calls...and then with the biggest play of the game...you get a slow, non expressive safe call??


Alright, rewatching the replay, it does appear his hand slips in under the shoe and catches the back of the rectangular part of the plate with his fingers.

As far as the delayed call. Barrett has him dead to rights with the tag before he gets to the plate. On all plays at the plate, the umpire waits to see if the ball is caught by the catcher. Barrett drops it, ump makes the call.

[Hardcore Legend]

Yep he did. He grabed it and slowly crawled over to Holiday and tagged him.

Actually, he crawled over and didn't tag him.

[starscream's ghost]

Yep he did. He grabed it and slowly crawled over to Holiday and tagged him.
i meant did he have it as holliday slid in. by the time he got over to holliday, the ump was in the middle of calling him safe

[kelso]

whats the song they were playing at the stadium later in the game? It's a techno song, i use to know the name. Anyone know?
"Zombie Nation"

[HankScorpio]

whats the song they were playing at the stadium later in the game? It's a techno song, i use to know the name. Anyone know?

I've watched enough hockey games to know it was "Sandstorm" by Darude. I swear it's a requirement to play that song every other stoppage of play in the NHL.

[RAIDEN6]

"Zombie Nation"

tytytytytytyty

[starscream's ghost]

Alright, rewatching the replay, it does appear his hand slips in under the shoe and catches the back of the rectangular part of the plate with his fingers.

As far as the delayed call. Barrett has him dead to rights with the tag before he gets to the plate. On all plays at the plate, the umpire waits to see if the ball is caught by the catcher. Barrett drops it, ump makes the call.
since you're an impartial party to this game, i'll go ahead and believe you. if you say holliday was safe and tagged the base, then holliday was safe and tagged the base

[jskrap]

Actually, he crawled over and didn't tag him.

Watch all of your replays again. Yes, he did tag him on his knee as he was laying there. DVR is great. The view from 3rd base shows he wasn't even close to the plate. Again, DVR is great.

[Davis]

gotta give Holliday the benefit of the doubt. Looked close enough to me and the Rockies deserved to win to win this game after the run they've had. I'm pulling for them and may actually head to a playoff game.

[RAIDEN6]

I've watched enough hockey games to know it was "Sandstorm" by Darude. I swear it's a requirement to play that song every other stoppage of play in the NHL.

Well you're wrong lol. I know Sandstorm by heart, that wasnt it.

[Spawnomite]

Watch all of your replays again. Yes, he did tag him on his knee as he was laying there. DVR is great. The view from 3rd base shows he wasn't even close to the plate. Again, DVR is great.you are correct. thank you.

[HankScorpio]

Well you're wrong lol. I know Sandstorm by heart, that wasnt it.

All trance sound the same to me. :p

[RAIDEN6]

All trance sound the same to me. :pShame. Trance/Tehcno is so underrated. Most people think of it as all crap but there are some REALLY good songs.

[lloydchristmas81]

Alright, rewatching the replay, it does appear his hand slips in under the shoe and catches the back of the rectangular part of the plate with his fingers.

As far as the delayed call. Barrett has him dead to rights with the tag before he gets to the plate. On all plays at the plate, the umpire waits to see if the ball is caught by the catcher. Barrett drops it, ump makes the call.


I agree....I noticed this as well after watching the replays.

And now...two of the hottest NL teams meeting in the first round of the playoffs?!? Should be fun to watch.

[HankScorpio]

Shame. Trance/Tehcno is so underrated. Most people think of it as all crap but there are some REALLY good songs.

To each his own. I'll take electro though.

And upon further review, Zombie Nation is correct.

[kelso]

Zombie Nation is the name of the band, Kernkraft 400 is the name of the song

[lloydchristmas81]

spawnomite.....we need a boardies viewing this thread count.:D :D

[kusteveh]

Rox got a break but I'll take it.

[jskrap]

Alright, rewatching the replay, it does appear his hand slips in under the shoe and catches the back of the rectangular part of the plate with his fingers.

As far as the delayed call. Barrett has him dead to rights with the tag before he gets to the plate. On all plays at the plate, the umpire waits to see if the ball is caught by the catcher. Barrett drops it, ump makes the call.

I know you are going to stick to your story just because of the fact that you like to be argumentative, but I'll let you hash it out with someone else. I mean, you are arguing with something that is clear on video. Rediculous. Later.

[avsfan21]

Oh well the call was made, nothing is going to happen to change it. Life goes on.

[starscream's ghost]

"I don't know. He hit me pretty good," Holliday said. "I got stepped on and banged my chin. I'm all right."

Said Padres manager Bud Black: "It looked to me like he did get it."
black's comment could be out of context, but it sounds like he thought holliday had it

[Hardcore Legend]

I know you are going to stick to your story just because of the fact that you like to be argumentative, but I'll let you hash it out with someone else. I mean, you are arguing with something that is clear on video. Rediculous. Later.

Clear? Hardly.

Wah.:rolleyes:

[Paul755]

just got home...fantastic fricken game. I jumped so high and banged the helloutta my shin when they scored.

Holliday for MVP...Tulo for ROY.

[AS251BR]

As far as the delayed call. Barrett has him dead to rights with the tag before he gets to the plate. On all plays at the plate, the umpire waits to see if the ball is caught by the catcher. Barrett drops it, ump makes the call.

And add that McClelland always has a delayed call.


It's hard to call on the replays and yes, I have DVR. It looks like the hand may have got underneath Barrett's foot from the view beyond third base. The view from behind the plate, you can't see home plate. If it was a football review, the call on the field would stand. :D

[Joe Bruin723]

The problem with video review is this... CAN they blow a whistle and tell everyone to FREEZE! Then IF he's ruled not safe- yet the ball came out they blow the whistle and then it's a race to the bag or what??? It still is inconclusive evidence to overrule the umpire.

[ak4na2]

official rules 7.06 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/runner_7.jsp)

(b) If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible. The umpire shall then call “Time” and impose such penalties, if any, as in his judgment will nullify the act of obstruction.
Rule 7.06(b) Comment: Under 7.06(b) when the ball is not dead on obstruction and an obstructed runner advances beyond the base which, in the umpire’s judgment, he would have been awarded because of being obstructed, he does so at his own peril and may be tagged out. This is a judgment call.
NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.



some more rules.. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp)

Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered “in the act of fielding a ball.” It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the “act of fielding” the ball. For example: If an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.

now whether mclelland knows the rules or not i dont know.. but to me the correct call was made..

[Joe Bruin723]

official rules 7.06 (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/runner_7.jsp)

(b) If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible. The umpire shall then call “Time” and impose such penalties, if any, as in his judgment will nullify the act of obstruction.
Rule 7.06(b) Comment: Under 7.06(b) when the ball is not dead on obstruction and an obstructed runner advances beyond the base which, in the umpire’s judgment, he would have been awarded because of being obstructed, he does so at his own peril and may be tagged out. This is a judgment call.
NOTE: The catcher, without the ball in his possession, has no right to block the pathway of the runner attempting to score. The base line belongs to the runner and the catcher should be there only when he is fielding a ball or when he already has the ball in his hand.



some more rules.. (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/definition_terms_2.jsp)

Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered “in the act of fielding a ball.” It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the “act of fielding” the ball. For example: If an infielder dives at a ground ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.

now whether mclelland knows the rules or not i dont know.. but to me the correct call was made..

The italicized rule should be thrown out there. Put it on ESPN, to stop the controversy.
I am really glad to see the NL West being the Majority of the NL.

If it comes down to Arizona and the Rockies... let the best team win. Though the Dodgers aren't there I'm still very happy.

[DEREK44]

Everytime I see Hoffman pitch, he blows a save. I have no idea how he could be there closer after this season. He may (should) retire. His fastball is no longer hard. He averaged 84 MPH. Thats not good for a closer. I know he is the all-time saves leader, but it has to end sometime. I can see Heath Bell as a closer. He was down right nasty tonite.

[shawnspookcity]

I don't care either way. I'm a Cubs fan and last night's game had zero bearing on my life or who the Cubs would play. So here's my take:

I watched the whole game. When Holliday slid home live, I thought he was out. But that was the long camera view. When I watched the closer camera view, you see that Barrett blocked the entire plate without the ball (#1), Barrett dropped the ball (#2), Holliday's hand slid right to where the plate was, not around it (#3), dust flew up during the slide (#4). All of these things made for a hard play to call.

I think McClelland made the right call. Barrett was blocking the plate without the ball and if he would have been OFF the plate, he would have been in a better position to catch the ball. Holliday should have trucked over Barrett, that would have eliminated all of this. But he slid and his hand went right to the plate. Had Barrett not been blocking it without the ball, Holliday's hand would have easily touched the plate.

Also, if you watch the replay over and over you still can't say for certain that he did/didn't touch the base. So how do you expect the ump to see it with dust, at full speed, on the fly?

Either way the call would have gone, I wouldn't say it was a bad call. It was so close and the ump looked like he was in position expecting a collision. It was so close, you just have to trust judgment.

[Paul755]

Something else...how good is it to see Todd Helton finally get a shot at the playoffs....without having to be traded to boston or NY.

[Sbells]

He missed the plate, Barrett had every right to take the position he did as the was in the act of fielding a ball in the air, but I'm glad he called Holliday safe.

[madcracker]

Also, if you watch the replay over and over you still can't say for certain that he did/didn't touch the base. So how do you expect the ump to see it with dust, at full speed, on the fly?

Perhaps I'm not understanding something, but that's sort of why he's out there.

[starscream's ghost]

Something else...how good is it to see Todd Helton finally get a shot at the playoffs....without having to be traded to boston or NY.
todd was nearly speechless in his post-game interview in the lockerroom. it was awesome