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joewillie99

11-08-2007, 06:47 AM

...but could be good news for relocation to Canada.....low revenue teams must keep pace with the richer teams or lose revenue sharing...also as revenue goes up,so does the bottom of the salary cap...a double dose of trouble for the Atlantas,Floridas and Nashvilles of the world...

http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/274134

...."Put simply, if the average NHL club increases revenue 6 per cent this season, and the Predators increase revenue 5 per cent, the club would lose 25 per cent, or about $3 million, of its revenue-sharing stipend of $11 million (all figures U.S.).

Trouble is, large-market clubs like the Maple Leafs and New York Rangers are enjoying terrific seasons financially, pulling up the overall league average and making it harder for the likes of the Predators to reach revenue-sharing targets.

Teams that miss the league's target for revenue growth in a second straight season suffer a 40 per cent hit, and 50 per cent if it happens a third season in a row."...

bjk311nh

11-08-2007, 08:30 AM

Interesting.....good news for the league. It is a way to weed out the poor franchises. I like it.

Lord_Stanley_#89

11-08-2007, 08:51 AM

I would love to see more teams in Canada and less teams in the States. No need for teams in the south and midwest/west of this fine country.

Voodoo Chylde

11-08-2007, 09:18 AM

I would love to see more teams in Canada and less teams in the States. No need for teams in the south and midwest/west of this fine country.

So, the Stars, Avs, Wild and Sharks need to go away eh? Wow! Wonder what losing all that revenue from those VERY financially strong teams would do to the league's bottom line?

Oh yeah, you do realize Chicago, an Original Six franchise, is in the midwest right?

Paul755

11-08-2007, 09:47 AM

I would love to see more teams in Canada and less teams in the States. No need for teams in the south and midwest/west of this fine country.

Yeah cuz Denver is a really crappy hockeytown :rolleyes:

Elias_Devil

11-08-2007, 09:49 AM

Yeah cuz Denver is a really crappy hockeytown :rolleyes:

He never said Colorado.

Paul755

11-08-2007, 09:50 AM

He never said Colorado.

Denver is a midwest/west Hockey market...same with Dallas.

Elias_Devil

11-08-2007, 10:00 AM

Denver is a midwest/west Hockey market...same with Dallas.

He meant more like Nashville, St Louis, Pheonix.

IceRat

11-08-2007, 10:02 AM

He meant more like Nashville, St Louis, Pheonix.
of course he did
you forgot Detroit, Minnie, and Columbus :rolleyes:

Sk8er Boy

11-08-2007, 10:10 AM

That means nothing. As long as Bettman is the Commish no team will ever be allowed to come north. Just look at what happened in Nashville. That team is dying and yet Bettman does nothing to save them. He just wants to save face. Bettman will find a loophole to keep all teams where they are now or move to the states.

Lord_Stanley_#89

11-08-2007, 10:56 AM

Flieler

11-08-2007, 12:36 PM

Interesting.....good news for the league. It is a way to weed out the poor franchises. I like it.

ahmen, bring them up here where they be appreciated

Voodoo Chylde

11-08-2007, 12:44 PM

I should have been clearer in my statement. Sorry boys, you are right about those franchises.

I should not have generalized.

My bad.

I really really really do not want a team in KC or Vegas - that is where my generalization came from.

Okay. I totally agree with you on that score. You had me worried for a second. Next time, take your meds before you post!:p :D

RoninJai

11-08-2007, 01:06 PM

I think the midwest is PRIME hockey country. Detroit and Chicago are both considered midwest, and we're Original Six teams. St. Louis has had a team forever, and Minnesota is like Hockeyland.

Oilers 11

11-08-2007, 07:15 PM

I don't want to see teams in Kansas City, or Las Vegas either. At least not before Hamilton, or Winnipeg get a team. Kansas City is a strong risk, and Las Vegas is just a major headache waiting to happen. Hamilton is the most logical choice right now, it's not a risk, it's a financially viable market, it's a traditional hockey market, and they sold 14, 000 season tickets for a ghost team. That's more then Nashville, Phoenix, Florida, or St. Louis can do.

An NHL franchise in Hamilton won't hurt or dent Toronto's fanbase, or financial stability. I understand the Buffalo argument, however Hamilton is far enough outside of their territorial jurisdiction, and Hamilton's regular financial fanbase would be the Hamilton and surrounding area, and the backlash of people from the GTA who can't get Leafs tickets as the season ticket drive proved. It wouldn't cut into Buffalo's Canadian fanbase seeing how the majority of them, at least the ones they count on financially come from the Niagara area. I'm not saying that Buffalo's Canadian fans are only from the Niagara region, I'm saying the majority of canadian fans who buy tickets come from that area.

Personally I'd like to see the Florida Panthers moved to Hamilton, and the Phoenix Coyotes moved back to Winnipeg.

Oilers 11

11-08-2007, 07:24 PM

I found the last paragraph in the Star article interesting.

RETURN TRIP FOR JETS? With the Canadian dollar's recent surge there's been debate over the prospect of the NHL returning to Winnipeg. "The people in Winnipeg call the league pretty much every day about a team, more than anybody else," one high-ranking hockey source says. If the NHL does decide to add another team in Manitoba, things would seem in place for a smooth return. The old Winnipeg Arena was demolished a decade ago and the $133 million (Canadian) MTS Centre, which seats 15,003 for hockey, opened three years ago. The NHL earlier this year contacted Canadian regulators to reinforce its trademark on the Winnipeg Jets name.

Especially the line saying "The NHL earlier this year contacted Canadian regulators to reinforce its trademark on the Winnipeg Jets name."

avsfan21

11-08-2007, 07:29 PM

Now I have no issue with a team or two going to Canada. I just dont want to see one in Hamilton.

Oilers 11

11-08-2007, 07:35 PM

Now I have no issue with a team or two going to Canada. I just dont want to see one in Hamilton.

You know I can never really understand that argument. Is there any specific reason certain people feel this way about Hamilton? I just don't get it!

IceRat

11-08-2007, 07:37 PM

You know I can never really understand that argument. Is there any specific reason certain people feel this way about Hamilton? I just don't get it!
he doesn't like swine
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/NCI_clove_ham.jpg/672px-NCI_clove_ham.jpg

JerseyDevil

11-08-2007, 07:37 PM

They really need to relocate the Phoenix Coyotes, Florida Panthers, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. Hockey doesn't belong in Arizona and Florida...

IceRat

11-08-2007, 07:38 PM

They really need to relocate the Phoenix Coyotes, Florida Panthers, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. Hockey doesn't belong in Arizona and Florida...
lol coming from a fan of one of the lowest drawing teams in the league
old building or new building

JerseyDevil

11-08-2007, 07:40 PM

lol coming from a fan of one of the lowest drawing teams in the league
old building or new building

Well at least we proved we can win Cups! :p

IceRat

11-08-2007, 07:45 PM

Well at least we proved we can win Cups! :p
which makes it all the more sad ... did they really win it if no one saw it :p

Tampa won a cup and are one of the top drawing teams in the league
the Panthers made it to the cup finals in the early part of their franchise history

avsfan21

11-08-2007, 07:57 PM

IceRat

11-08-2007, 07:58 PM

We all know that this team will be nothing next to the Leafs.
LOL... not if they win

dallasstars06

11-09-2007, 04:05 AM

I should have been clearer in my statement. Sorry boys, you are right about those franchises.

I should not have generalized.

My bad.

I really really really do not want a team in KC or Vegas - that is where my generalization came from.

you know what would be worse than a team in KC or Vegas? A team in Houston. I was getting scared when Lemieux and his boys were meeting with officials in that horrible place over the All Star break last season.

Also, I enjoyed that last paragraph. I'm all for bringing Winnipeg back. Better still, they could just move the Yotes back there. I don't know much about Hamilton, but given that they sold so many tickets for a team that doesn't exist, I'm more for putting a team there than pretty much any possible market in the States.

JerseyDevil

11-09-2007, 06:51 AM

which makes it all the more sad ... did they really win it if no one saw it :p

Tampa won a cup and are one of the top drawing teams in the league
the Panthers made it to the cup finals in the early part of their franchise history

Well plus you have to remember, they plopped the NJ franchise right in the middle of the Flyers, Rangers, Islander, and Capitals markets. Kind of hard to draw a huge fanbase when you have those franchises already well established when NJ got there. They are still selling 75% of their seats this year, which is really good for NJ Devils games.

Voodoo Chylde

11-09-2007, 08:23 AM

you know what would be worse than a team in KC or Vegas? A team in Houston. I was getting scared when Lemieux and his boys were meeting with officials in that horrible place over the All Star break last season.

Also, I enjoyed that last paragraph. I'm all for bringing Winnipeg back. Better still, they could just move the Yotes back there. I don't know much about Hamilton, but given that they sold so many tickets for a team that doesn't exist, I'm more for putting a team there than pretty much any possible market in the States.

What is your argument against having a cross-state rivalry in TX between two VERY large metropolitan, hockey friendly towns that are both FILLED with potential corporate sponsors and excellent TV potential, other than the fact you obviously don't like Houston? Personally, I think this would've been the better southern expansion move for the NHL than trying to do this in FL between the Lightning and Panthers.

While a move back to Winnipeg would be my first choice, Houston is DEFINITELY a better alternative than Vegas or KC for a relocated team. I also emphasize RELOCATED. We don't need to think about adding any new teams for at least another decade.

Oilers 11

11-09-2007, 08:43 AM

You know I can never really understand that argument. Is there any specific reason certain people feel this way about Hamilton? I just don't get it!

Well lets start with the majoirty of people have no idea where Hamilton even is. The fact that is is like 40 miles way from Toronto. That would be like putting a Hockey team at my house. I am about that far from the Thrashers. Then what are you going to call the team? The Hamiton Step Children is my vote. We all know that this team will be nothing next to the Leafs.

Listen I understand you don't know much about Canada and that's fine. To put this in the simplest terms to give you a semi-understanding Hamilton is to Toronto what Anaheim is to Los Angeles. Also who cares about the distance if the area can support two NHL teams? The LA area has the Los Angels Kings, and the Anaheim Ducks. New York City has the New York Rangers, and the New York Islanders.

you know what would be worse than a team in KC or Vegas? A team in Houston. I was getting scared when Lemieux and his boys were meeting with officials in that horrible place over the All Star break last season.

Also, I enjoyed that last paragraph. I'm all for bringing Winnipeg back. Better still, they could just move the Yotes back there. I don't know much about Hamilton, but given that they sold so many tickets for a team that doesn't exist, I'm more for putting a team there than pretty much any possible market in the States.

Yeah they sold 14, 000 season tickets including all 80 Corporate Box Seats. Also they had a waiting list of 3, 500 for people looking for tickets. So that's 17, 500 potential ticket buyers. What makes it even more outstanding is it's for a team that doesn't exsist, there are several franchise that do exsist who can't even compete with those numbers or even dream of competing for those numbers. Hamilton is a sure fire bet that will help the league's overall revenue profit. I just don't understand the ignorance or stupidity of keeping a team like the Florida Panthers in a dying market that was never profitable in the first place, and considering putting franchises in Las Vegas, or Kansas City over putting a team in Hamilton.

heavymetalmachine

11-09-2007, 08:50 AM

Well plus you have to remember, they plopped the NJ franchise right in the middle of the Flyers, Rangers, Islander, and Capitals markets. Kind of hard to draw a huge fanbase when you have those franchises already well established when NJ got there. They are still selling 75% of their seats this year, which is really good for NJ Devils games.

Selling is one thing, fans actually showing up to the games is another. The Leafs sell 100% of their tickets, do you see every seat at the ACC filled every night?

Voodoo Chylde

11-09-2007, 10:05 AM

Selling is one thing, fans actually showing up to the games is another. The Leafs sell 100% of their tickets, do you see every seat at the ACC filled every night?

That burns my ass everytime I see a Leafs, Stars, (insert any big market team here) game on TV. The glass seats are usually filled (not filled) with Empty Suits talking on cell phones, Botox Bunnies that needed "something to do" while their man makes another million dollar deal upstairs or some other corporate nonsense.

Fans on the glass; Suits in the Rafters would be my motto if I were Commish.

avsfan21

11-09-2007, 11:53 AM

Listen I understand you don't know much about Canada and that's fine. To put this in the simplest terms to give you a semi-understanding Hamilton is to Toronto what Anaheim is to Los Angeles. Also who cares about the distance if the area can support two NHL teams? The LA area has the Los Angels Kings, and the Anaheim Ducks. New York City has the New York Rangers, and the New York Islanders.

I cant say that I agree with there being so many teams in the NY area, but I am not about to move an established team just because there are others in the area. Plus the fact that there are about 20 million people in the NY area.

There is also the fact that Hamliton doesnt even show up for the Finals of their minor league team. I am sorry but if it was such a great hockey town I think people would actually show up for that.

Oilers 11

11-09-2007, 03:11 PM

I cant say that I agree with there being so many teams in the NY area, but I am not about to move an established team just because there are others in the area. Plus the fact that there are about 20 million people in the NY area.

There is also the fact that Hamliton doesnt even show up for the Finals of their minor league team. I am sorry but if it was such a great hockey town I think people would actually show up for that.

Hey man there's a major difference between supporting a major league team, and a minor league team. As is the case with the Toronto Maple Leafs, and the Toronto Marlies. The Major League Leafs get great attendance, but the Minor League Marlies have had shaky attendance. That being said I do believe the Marlies overall attendance thus far has somewhat improved from this time last season. So comparing the minors to the majors just doesn't work when you're talking about Hockey in Canada. The fact you had 14, 000 season ticket holders, all 80 Corporate Box seats sold out, and a waiting list north of 3, 500 looking for tickets for a ghost team speaks for itself.

avsfan21

11-09-2007, 03:14 PM

Like that wouldnt happen just about anywhere the team moved in Canada though.

Oilers 11

11-09-2007, 03:22 PM

Like that wouldnt happen just about anywhere the team moved in Canada though.

No it wouldn't, you wouldn't get those numbers in Quebec City, or Halifax. As for Winnipeg yeah they could support a team and pull in numbers slightly higher then what Edmonton pulls in but to pull in those numbers in Winnipeg you better be A) moving a cup contender there, and B) start building an Arena that can host more then 15, 000 people.

Lord_Stanley_#89

11-09-2007, 04:11 PM

No worries Voodoo - I obviously had diarhea of the mouth.

Bettman should listen to Melnyk....and probably most of the other owners:

"I'm a big fan of the province of Manitoba. and I know there are some really great fans there. The problem is; what do you do? Do you build a 15,000 seat stadium and fill it, which is a success, or do you build a 20,000 (seat) stadium that has 10,000 people?" - Senators owner Eugene Melnyk, who supports more Canadian NHL franchises

joewillie99

11-10-2007, 06:45 AM

....Melnyk mentioned the other day that 40% of the NHL's revenue comes from Canada...this was in the same studio where Bettman denied it was even as high as 33%....Bettman also denied that the rising Canadian dollar had anything to do with increased revenue...right...more interesting number though is,only 7% of league revenue is generated by THE LEAGUE...so it's basicallly every team for themselves...

Voodoo Chylde

11-10-2007, 05:50 PM