Who's the MVP? Takes more thought than you would think

[RickyWilliams34]

Brady or Moss the MVP. I say Moss because without him Brady wouldn't be on pace to shatter the single season TD record. Teams have to try to stop Moss, not Brady.

[littlejacque25]

I think the guy who touches the ball every single snap is more important.

[silversurfur65]

Brady has won 3 SB's and led the league in passing without Moss....I think Brady is making Moss just as much as Moss is making Brady !!

[jweber26]

How 'bout neither?

[Ghost of AA62]

I'd give it to Brady actually....but you know something, the way Brett Favre has been playing, I think the race will be closer than most care to think. While Brady is adored by the media, Favre is respected by every fan in the world. Furthermore, while Brady has been stocked with weapons from head to toe, Favre has about two solid receivers in Jennings and Driver and thats pretty much it. I think Brady will win it in the end though.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Tom Brady. That didn't take much thought. You lied.

[RickyWilliams34]

Favre should defnitely be considered but let's be honest. the media's love for the Pats will make sure a Pat gets the award.I'd give it to Brady actually....but you know something, the way Brett Favre has been playing, I think the race will be closer than most care to think. While Brady is adored by the media, Favre is respected by every fan in the world. Furthermore, while Brady has been stocked with weapons from head to toe, Favre has about two solid receivers in Jennings and Driver and thats pretty much it. I think Brady will win it in the end though.

[SanchC]

Moss is only third behind Brady and Favre.

[RickyWilliams34]

I guess Moss getting wide open and Brady throwing it to him is all Brady huh? Same with the one-handed leaping catches that Moss makes on Brady's not-so-good throws

[SENSin2007]

Brady or Moss the MVP. I say Moss because without him Brady wouldn't be on pace to shatter the single season TD record. Teams have to try to stop Moss, not Brady.

And without Brady Moss wouldn't be on pace to break the TD receiving record. How many TDs did Moss have the past 2 seasons? 'nuff said.

[littlejacque25]

I think Moss is arguably the most dominant reciever to ever play the game, but you should know by now that QB's will win the award over other position players. Even if Moss breaks Rice's single season records, Bradys breaking of Mannings touchdown record will reign.

[RickyWilliams34]

Not enough said. Moss was on a terrible team and most likely wasn't even trying. Those quarterbacks weren't even serviceableAnd without Brady Moss wouldn't be on pace to break the TD receiving record. How many TDs did Moss have the past 2 seasons? 'nuff said.

[Pack_Man]

Brett Favre

[RickyWilliams34]

The question is who is the MVP not who's going to win it.I think Moss is arguably the most dominant reciever to ever play the game, but you should know by now that QB's will win the award over other position players. Even if Moss breaks Rice's single season records, Bradys breaking of Mannings touchdown record will reign.

[RickyWilliams34]

See earlier postBrett Favre

[littlejacque25]

Show me a way to effectively compare the impacts of different positions to their team and the outcome of the game and then you will find your answer.

[RickyWilliams34]

Just watch the Pats play. With Moss on the field, it is impossible for teams to stop the Pats. He creates so many problems and even double coverage can't contain him. If a team were to triple team him that would open up TONS of room for the other very good receivers. Brady looked mortal before getting Moss.

[KingSciarrillo]

Addai is the MVP of the Colts, I'll say that much


Moss is MVP of the league

[ColdDonut]

Terrell Owens

[Ghost of AA62]

think Moss is arguably the most dominant reciever to ever play the game

WHAT????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Listen, he's had some good years and is havin a fine season, but he's nowhere near as good as Jerry Rice. NOWHERE. Yeah he can catch a ball and run the post/fly/go route...he can't block or crack, he'll only run routes into the middle if the safeties are playing up, he's not flexible with his route running.

[Ghost of AA62]

MVP:

1. Tom Brady - QB
2. Brett Favre - QB
3. Randy Moss - WR
4. Tony Romo - QB
5. Terrell Owens - WR
6. Joey Addai - RB
7. Julian Peterson - LB
8. Willie Parker - RB
9. Albert Haynesworth - DT
10. Reggie Wayne - WR

[DJBurnside]

I guess Moss getting wide open and Brady throwing it to him is all Brady huh? Same with the one-handed leaping catches that Moss makes on Brady's not-so-good throws


What about the other passes Brady completes to Welker, Stallworth, Watson..etc? Is Moss catching those for Brady too?

[Ronzie]

1- Brady
2- Farve

[pimpinmidget]

Brady

[Elias_Devil]

I hope Brady and Moss take votes from each other.

[rarechaselimitedvariation]

:D co-MVP :D

[SanchC]

WHAT????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Listen, he's had some good years and is havin a fine season, but he's nowhere near as good as Jerry Rice. NOWHERE. Yeah he can catch a ball and run the post/fly/go route...he can't block or crack, he'll only run routes into the middle if the safeties are playing up, he's not flexible with his route running.couldnt agree more.

[SanchC]

MVP:

1. Tom Brady - QB
2. Brett Favre - QB
3. Randy Moss - WR
4. Tony Romo - QB
5. Terrell Owens - WR
6. Joey Addai - RB
7. Julian Peterson - LB
8. Willie Parker - RB
9. Albert Haynesworth - DT
10. Reggie Wayne - WRnice list...only difference from my list would be Roethlisberger would be on it instead of Parker.

[troop2325]

Jerry Rice is still the best ever....who cares who the MVP is, all Brady wants is another ring, thats all any of the NE players care about, that is why they are so good and have been for sometime, they are the ultimate team playing in the greatest team sport around.

[Poochiesdead]

Brady

Look at it this way, Moss goes down and the Patriots are still a damn good team and probably still favorites to win the SB. Brady goes down, they're screwed.

[SanchC]

When Tom Brady throws 20+ TD's more than his previous career high, and Moss catches 20+ TD's this year... the answer is clear. Of course, the voters will avoid the clear answer and give it to Brady anyway.
yet you had no problem when Manning previous to 2004 had averaged 28 tds per year then beats his career average by 20+ to crown him greatest of all time....nice unbiased opinion dude...how many time previous to Brady has Moss had 20+ TD seasons?

[Mozam]

How 'bout neither?

Amen, brother. Maybe he was talking about who the MVP for the Patriots is? :D

[tvp2003]

Brady

Look at it this way, Moss goes down and the Patriots are still a damn good team and probably still favorites to win the SB. Brady goes down, they're screwed.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

But if they keep going at this rate, I think a co-MVP should be awarded...

[Dougnddeb]

Brady

[GOSKINS_08]

Its probably going to be Brady.

[troop2325]

It is very funny to me, to watch Tom Brady have "McNabb/Culpepper Syndrome," where he has a stellar WR where he can just chuck the ball up into double coverage and let Moss go grab the TD. And the Patriots had also better resign Moss to a long term deal, lest he leave and Brady go back to struggling to hit the 25 TD plateau, and suffer a similar fate to that of McNabb and Culpepper.[/QUOTE]

That is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen written on this board.

[GOSKINS_08]

Randy Moss is a free agent after this season isn't he? Welcome to the Redskins, Randy! Enjoy your 3 year, $30 million contract..lol

[vv05]

Brady is MVP but I am hoping Favre!

[wilycoyote]

"Bias" has nothing to do with it.

Which is the greater statistical jump:

Randy Moss w/22+ TDs, 5+ from his career high.
or
Tom Brady with 50+ TD's, DOUBLE his career high.

Right now Randy Moss is accounting for 42% of Tom Brady's TD's and 34% of his yards. Even during Mannings record year, Harrison only had 15TDs or 30% and Wayne had the most yards with 1210 or 24%. Peyton had 3 players with 1K Yards and 10+ Td's. To my knowledge that hasnt ever been done, and it doesnt appear that Brady will double that feat.

Which means that he is more dependent on Moss for his tremendous success this year than Moss is dependent on him.

Tom Brady has never thrown 30 TD's, he currently through ten games has 38.

As ive said before in the other threads, the only way Moss will win it, is if he breaks both of Rice's single season records for Yards and TD's, while Brady fails to break Mannings record. And since we know that Belichek will insist on running up the score, even in the 15th and 16th games of the season, keeping Brady in the 4th quarter going for it on 4th down:rolleyes:, that obviously wont happen.

It is very funny to me, to watch Tom Brady have "McNabb/Culpepper Syndrome," where he has a stellar WR where he can just chuck the ball up into double coverage and let Moss go grab the TD. And the Patriots had also better resign Moss to a long term deal, lest he leave and Brady go back to struggling to hit the 25 TD plateau, and suffer a similar fate to that of McNabb and Culpepper.



You know UK you haven't a clue what into hell you are talking about but you keep flapping your KEYBOARD LIPS..Here is your great Manning led Colt team in 2004........and not running up the score,sure and how soon people forget..:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Manning didn't get all those touchdowns sitting on the sidelines,geezzzzzzz:mad:

Game 9: Nov. 14, 2004


Houston quarterback David Carr loses the ball as he is tackled by Robert Mathis in the first quarter. (Matt Detrich / The Star)
Dominant performance by the Colts ends with a 49-14 rout of Houston

The Colts blew out the Houston Texans 49-14 in a boisterous, big-play game during which the defense dominated the opposition and Peyton Manning continued his assault on the record books.

Colt defenders enjoyed a full and fun-filled Sunday. In his second start of the season, first round draft choice Bob Sanders had 10 tackles and returned a fumble for his first NFL touchdown. Defensive ends Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis terrorized Texans quarterback David Carr throughout the game. Carr suffered five sacks and three fumbles. He was also intercepted three times.

While Indianapolis averaged 8.3 yards a play, Houston netted -5 yards in the first quarter and only 64 yards in the first half. They did not score until late in the third quarter after Aaron Glenn intercepted a Manning pass.
Kravitz: Who is Jake Scott and what is he doing in this column.

The Texans found it offensive and disrespectful that, long after the game had been decided, the Colts kept running their offense. Houston players and television analyst Randy Cross were particularly upset that the Colts, rather than running the ball in the fourth quarter, continued to pass - a move Cross referred to as having "no class".

Manning continued his pursuit of Dan Marino's single-season touchdown record with his third five-touchdown game of the season. His passes were spread out among six players, with Brandon Stokley benefiting the most in this game with five passes for 132 yards and two touchdowns. Dallas Clark also scored twice - one of them an 80-yard catch and run. In addition to Sanders' touchdown, rookie nickle back Von Hutchins scored late in the fourth when he intercepted Carr.
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[Road Wraith]

When Tom Brady throws 20+ TD's more than his previous career high, and Moss catches 20+ TD's this year... the answer is clear. Of course, the voters will avoid the clear answer and give it to Brady anyway.

And you know what the best thing about it is?

There's nothing that you can do about it except stew about it, whine, complain, piss, and moan.

I love it.

Randy Moss is a free agent after this season isn't he? Welcome to the Redskins, Randy! Enjoy your 3 year, $30 million contract..lol

Moss said that it's a dream for him to play for the New England Patriots and to have a QB like Tom Brady throwing to him. IF Moss were to leave the Pats (and I don't see it happening) why the hell would he leave a good situation to go the Redskins?

[Road Wraith]

I really couldnt care less. It doesnt bother me.

Riiiight. Keep on fooling yourself. It obviously eats you up because all you ever do on these boards is trash Brady. Always. Many people here can attest to that. You have such hatred for the man that it's tragically funny.


It's just really funny to watch those same Pats fans that have said for 5 years that "stats are nothing," and "its all about the trophy baby" when Manning was setting records are now the same ones celebrating stats with delight.

You know what's funnier?

When Brady shatters Manning's record, not only will Brady have the trophies, but he'll also have the stats.

[Road Wraith]

Oh I love to trash Brady and the Pats, dont get me wrong. But that doesnt mean im not able to divorce myself from that passion and objectively look at the various stats, etc, and form biased opinions.

Fixed. You can fool yourself all you want, but don't try to fool me. You're as biased as they come. Your attempt to claim otherwise is laughable based on ALL of your posts about Brady and the Pats.


He will have the stats.... for one year.

Yeah, like that time Manning was a Lombardi Trophy winner......for one year.

[SanchC]

"Bias" has nothing to do with it.

Right now Randy Moss is accounting for 42% of Tom Brady's TD's and 34% of his yards. Even during Mannings record year, Harrison only had 15TDs or 30% and Wayne had the most yards with 1210 or 24%. Peyton had 3 players with 1K Yards and 10+ Td's. To my knowledge that hasnt ever been done, and it doesnt appear that Brady will double that feat.

Which means that he is more dependent on Moss for his tremendous success this year than Moss is dependent on him.

Tom Brady has never thrown 30 TD's, he currently through ten games has 38.

As ive said before in the other threads, the only way Moss will win it, is if he breaks both of Rice's single season records for Yards and TD's, while Brady fails to break Mannings record. And since we know that Belichek will insist on running up the score, even in the 15th and 16th games of the season, keeping Brady in the 4th quarter going for it on 4th down:rolleyes:, that obviously wont happen.

It is very funny to me, to watch Tom Brady have "McNabb/Culpepper Syndrome," where he has a stellar WR where he can just chuck the ball up into double coverage and let Moss go grab the TD. And the Patriots had also better resign Moss to a long term deal, lest he leave and Brady go back to struggling to hit the 25 TD plateau, and suffer a similar fate to that of McNabb and Culpepper.it must be killing you having to try and dis-credit the stats angle you tried to throw against Brady when they favored Manning...with scrub receivers Brady helped put the Pats in a position to get to the Super Bowl, with a scrub QB Moss only had 3 TDs and basically quit on at least half the plays in Raiders games, and yes the Raiders had a top-notch D last year...no your not biased at all...Brady has never had a real No. 1 receiver (give me a break with Branch, hes sure lighting it up isnt he even though Hasselbeck has been playing well)...McNabb/Culpepper syndrome? Manning would gladly trade all his touchdowns against the Texans and Titans of 2004 for having more opportunities to play for Super Bowls...I know your frustrated cuz the Colts are becoming more dependent on Addai and their defense....but come on give the guys some credit...Im mean if we go by your biased comparisons...Wes Welker has beat his career TD totals by 600% and is only in his tenth game...so he must be the real MVP.

[Spawnomite]

Tom Brady

[SENSin2007]

[QUOTE=UKY-71;7782548]
It is my opinion that the Patriots and Brady will set all sorts of offensive records, possibly win all 16 games, but ultimately lose to the Colts in the playoffs because the Colts are the more complete team. Which would truly be a reversal of roles. But please remember that Brady has to lead the league in various offensive stats for the better part of a decade before he can even come close to Manning.

QUOTE]

it is amazing how much in love you are with Manning because most everything you write is incorrect and in favour of Manning.

Passing Yard leaders for this decade from 2007 to 2000.....Brady, Brees, Brady, Culpepper, Manning, Gannon, Warner, Manning

TD leaders for this decade from 2007 to 2000....Brady, Manning, Palmer, Manning, Favre, Brady, Warner, Manning/Culpepper

From the 2002 season to present both guys have been in the top 10 in both categories, most years in the top 6 or better for both categories. You make it sound like Brady is a one-hit wonder who has come out of nowhere. He's always put up the numbers and now that he has a potent offense it just proves what he actually is capable of.