Is anyone watching the Clemens hearing?

[markm25]

This may get ugly

[sportspicks4me]

Not looking good right now.

[markm25]

it really doesnt look good at all

[HollandX]

I'M feeling anxious and nervous for everyone. I can't imagine how Roger feels.

[Patriots2421]

Why does it not look good?

[pipetender]

Is misremember even a word? Clemens is making a fool of himself, too.

[HollandX]

Do you really think Roger and Andy are still going to be close friends? LOL...

[markm25]

Clemens doesnt sound too convincing to me if Pettites wife is telling the truth he told soon after Clemens told him

[markm25]

so he would remember very well what he said

[Sussudio]

Clemens is getting PWNED!

[sportspicks4me]

Mr. Cummings is drilling Roger.

[markm25]

I 'm gonna add a poll to see what the board thinks did he or did he not

[Poochiesdead]

Damn, and I'm stuck here at work.

[markm25]

Damn, and I'm stuck here at work.
You will be able to see this for a long time I am afraid

[Sussudio]

Poor Clemens, he must have some kind of brain disorder that makes you forget things right after they happen.

[McDave]

Is misremember even a word? Clemens is making a fool of himself, too.

Hahaha.....my thoughts exactly!

[mariners4411]

all that HGH he got injected with is probably screwing with his brain

[sportspicks4me]

Now McNamee is getting tongue tied about the BBQ. :D

[madcracker]

I just turned it on. What time did it start?

[markm25]

he didnt answer the question at all

[yakester21]

I'm listening to some of it on ESPN radio for those that may not know it's on there.

[markm25]

I just turned it on. What time did it start?

9:30 maybe

[ToightLikeATiger]

Roger Clemens has more credibility then the leading witness McNamee. So until they prove Clemens actually used steroids I believe him over this rat. Just the fact of this guys saying he has a 6 or 7 year old needle with Rogers DNA is a joke. Who the hell keeps crap like that? There are a lot of holes in McNamees story so far and it screams of "I needed to give a big name to get off the hook."

I could be wrong and Roger could have been a user. But right now I dont see enough proof to make me believe it.

It is quite possible both guys are lying as well.

[markm25]

he said he has never heard of B12 ............everyones has heard of it hasnt they

[sportspicks4me]

he said he has never heard of B12 ............everyones has heard of it hasnt they

Exactly, he is a professional trainer and he knows of all of these steroids, but has never heard of B-12. Give me a break. :mad:

[markm25]

Just the fact of this guys saying he has a 6 or 7 year old needle with Rogers DNA is a joke. Who the hell keeps crap like that? There are a lot of holes in McNamees story so far and it screams of "I needed to give a big name to get off the hook.".
I thought that same thing noone keeps that stuff

[ToightLikeATiger]

he said he has never heard of B12 ............everyones has heard of it hasnt they

McNamee is a rat... He is just doing this to save his own ass. Giving up nobodies wouldnt do that. He had to have a big name. Clemens was his biggest client. Of course he heard of B12.

Like that Davis guy said...during Clemens and McNamees phone call McNamee said nothing when Clemens told him "you have to tell the truth." I think its pretty obvious why he didnt say anything when Clemens said that. It wasnt because he was afraid to hurt Roger. He had already done that by naming Roger in the report. That story doesnt fly in my opinion.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I thought that same thing noone keeps that stuff

someone said for blackmailing purposes. but if thats true then thats a felony. McNamee would be going to jail longer then Clemens would for perjury.

[markm25]

Clemens just got caught in a lie

[MakaveIi]

vitamin B12 only

[markm25]

someone said for blackmailing purposes. but if thats true then thats a felony. McNamee would be going to jail longer then Clemens would for perjury.
its getting to look like they both have lied about one thing or another this isnt gonna prove anything much if anything at all

[ToightLikeATiger]

Clemens just got caught in a lie

not really. Clemens said he never had a detailed conversation about his wifes steroid use. A quick conversation on the phone really isnt detailed. I think the congressmans definition of detailed conversation is different then Clemens.

[markm25]

here we go!!!

[ToightLikeATiger]

its getting to look like they both have lied about one thing or another this isnt gonna prove anything much if anything at all

no doubt. i wouldnt be suprised if both guys are brought up on perjury charges after this.

[markm25]

blackmailing is coming up

[sportspicks4me]

blackmailing is coming up


Yep, here we go. :eek:

[ToightLikeATiger]

McNamee looks like Sean Penn in Carlito's Way. Scumbag crooked Lawyer.

[ogrjmj]

i think they're both lying to a degree but mcnamee is a punk ass beyotch!!

[ToightLikeATiger]

You can just see this McNamee guy is a liar. Just his demeanor. He is looking worse then Roger so far. This congressman is really making him look stupid.

[sportspicks4me]

McNamee is squirming hard now. :D:D:D:D

[ToightLikeATiger]

This is hilarious now. Admitted to lying and the congressman is doing a great job of grilling him.

[sportspicks4me]

McNamee just got busted big time. How long before he breaks down. 3...2....1....:D

[markm25]

McNamee is squirming hard now. :D:D:D:D
Oh crap I have opened a big can of worms i didnt mean to

[mr10pin]

I thought that same thing noone keeps that stuff

When you are subjecting yourself and helping others with illegal activity, and have half a brain, a lot of people would stash a little evidence to protect themselves in the event it all went downhill. I'm not saying that McNamee is telling the truth; I'm just saying that it is very plausible he would keep something like this. Was it for blackmail? Perhaps it was, and that is obviously illegal.

If McNamee is telling the truth AND that paraphernalia belongs to Clemens and is the HGH or steroids, then he is an absolute genius.

[markm25]

LOL can you repeat that why I think of a good answer

[markm25]

5 lies and counting ..............6

[porculator]

McNamee has the most unbearable New York accent

[ToightLikeATiger]

This is a can of butt whoopin being put on McNarat now. I am laughing at this now.

[rocketsan22]

Burton just hit it on the head...I don't know who to believe... I think both of them are full of crap...

Burton is a Clemens lover ;)

[markm25]

it is absolutely hilarious

[HuskenNugget]

At least McNamee is admitting to lying in some aspects. I think both sides are lying about certain aspects, but McNamee seems much more confident in what he is saying. Clemens on the other hand is just painful to watch...so so painful to watch

[Sussudio]

So many lies!

[roody pooh jabroni]

This is hilarious now. Admitted to lying and the congressman is doing a great job of grilling him.

That was complete beatdown....

[rocketsan22]

It's a joke is what it is... the entire thing is a farce from both sides... an absolute joke.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I hope the rest of these congressman go after McNamee and continue to make him look bad. I dont even care if Clemens is lying right now. I just want that McNamee guy in jail for being a piece of garbage.

[rocketsan22]

I want a new boardname...

[ToightLikeATiger]

At least McNamee is admitting to lying in some aspects. I think both sides are lying about certain aspects, but McNamee seems much more confident in what he is saying. Clemens on the other hand is just painful to watch...so so painful to watch

When you script (lie) what youre going to say it always comes off smoother then when you answer off the top of your head. Just something to think about.

[DJBurnside]

Burton just hit it on the head...I don't know who to believe... I think both of them are full of crap...

Burton is a Clemens lover ;)

Seriously, "Mr Clemens is a titan of baseball"!

[Goalkeeper]

McNamee looks like Sean Penn in Carlito's Way. Scumbag crooked Lawyer.

And Roger looks like Barry Jr.

A bloated HGH/steroid using liar.

What doesn McNamee have to gain by lying? NOTHING!!!!

N O T H I N G!

And you better believe when you're dealing with a lying, back-stabbing, scumbag like Roger you damn better well do something to protect yourself. As weird as it seems the best way to do that is to keep dirty needles and syringes with the dude's DNA who is the user/abuser.

I mean, Clemens is unbelievable... there are TAPED CONVERSATIONS with McNamee begging him to tell him how McNamee can protect him. That doesn't sound like a guy to me who is a rat.

[HuskenNugget]

Burton just hit it on the head...I don't know who to believe... I think both of them are full of crap...

Burton is a Clemens lover ;)

hahaha i was thinking the same thing. To me it looked like Burton was more interested in making McNamee look like an idiot rather than finding some truth to all of this. I don't even think McNamee would deny being a lowlife rat, he admitted to lying, but overall he appears to be coming relatively clean. Meanwhile i still don't think Roger has put together what that one guy was getting at when he repeatedly went over the conversation

When asked about talking about HGH you said "Never"
asked again, you said "never"
asked a third time "never"
fourth time..."i don't know"
fifth time you recall two specific conversations...

and i think the wheels are still turning in Roger's head...the wheel's are turning but the hamster's dead.

[rocketsan22]

A titan...

pffftttt....

[rocketsan22]

I think a few signed balls floated around some of those offices...

[sigep001]

Yeah, Congressman Dan Burton seems very upstanding...(per wikipedia)

In September 1998, Burton admitted to fathering a son, born in 1983, with a former state employee.[3][2] After the admission, one report claimed, "During part of the 1970s and '80s, Dan Burton was known as the biggest skirt-chaser in the Indiana legislature ... Privately, some of his fellow Republicans expressed embarrassment. Lobbyists whispered about the stories of Burton's escapades. Statehouse reporters joked about him. Yet no one ever wrote about, or probably thought about writing anything. To the people who sent him first to the legislature and then to Congress, Burton was Mr. Conservative, the devout husband and father who espoused family values."[2]

On August 22, 2006, Burton remarried to Dr. Samia Tawil in Park City, Utah.[3] Dr. Tawil was the internist who cared for Burton's wife, Barbara, during her battle with cancer.

[rocketsan22]

...(per wikipedia)

almost as reliable as McNamee and Clemens...

[rocketsan22]

Wonder if Clemens will sit out the first half of his jail sentence...

[Silent_H]

This crap is too back and forth, both of them look like liars, this is never going to end.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Its funny how McNamees memory isnt so good from something a couple years ago but very clear on stuff back in 1998. Sounds like selective memory to me.

[sigep001]

almost as reliable as McNamee and Clemens...

Yes, I'm sure someone went to a lot of trouble to make up easily verifiable facts about a random Indiana congressman...all of which are linked to reports elsewhere.

:rolleyes:

[rocketsan22]

I've never seen or thought about Clemens' buttocks...under oath, I swear.

[ToightLikeATiger]

What does McNamee have to gain by lying? NOTHING!!!!

Keeping himself out of jail is what he has to gain. If he didnt give them information regarding this situation he was going to go to jail. So he had plenty to gain from lying.

[rocketsan22]

Yes, I'm sure someone went to a lot of trouble to make up easily verifiable facts about a random Indiana congressman...all of which are linked to reports elsewhere.

:rolleyes:

Wikipedia...not the statement...:rolleyes:

[DJBurnside]

I remember things I did 10 years ago but I don't remember the exact dates

[markm25]

NOW they getting closer to the real problem baseball let this happen for a long time because it put ppl in the stands

[Goalkeeper]

LOL!!!

Clemens, despite him acknowledging his WIFE was taking HGH claims he's never heard of it until recently... HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

C'mon, man!

[rocketsan22]

She's taking it for the team...

[ToightLikeATiger]

My big problem so far with the whole steroids issue is this.... Bonds and Clemens are the 2 biggest names linked. Pettitte has admitted to using them. In these cases the steroid use or alleged use was to heal quicker. I have absolutely no problem with players using steroids or HGH to heal quicker so they can get on the field and earn their paycheck and entertain fans. I have never and will never see anything wrong with that.

Using steroids to enhance your performance and get bigger and stronger is a problem. But to heal injuries isnt a problem to me.

[rocketsan22]

Why is it that baseball takes such issue with it where the NFL sees it as a little slap on the wrist...

[DJBurnside]

yes, illegal behavior is fine as long as it is done in order to earn a paycheck and entertain people

[ToightLikeATiger]

yes, illegal behavior is fine as long as it is done in order to earn a paycheck and entertain people

people are given steroids every day by doctors for healing purposes. so its not like it doesnt exist legally. i just dont see why healing injuries in this case (for athletes) is illegal. i think its a double standard in that sense.

[DJBurnside]

people are given steroids every day by doctors for healing purposes. so its not like it doesnt exist legally. i just dont see why healing injuries in this case (for athletes) is illegal. i think its a double standard in that sense.

It doesn't really matter if it's a double standard or not as long as it is illegal. Illegal is illegal. It may not be wrong or right but it's against the law.

[Voodoo Chylde]

people are given steroids every day by doctors for healing purposes. so its not like it doesnt exist legally. i just dont see why healing injuries in this case (for athletes) is illegal. i think its a double standard in that sense.

No, it's not a double standard. You answered your own question. People are given steroids everyday by LICENSED doctors for verifiable reasons such as healing of injury, fighting off infection, etc. If this is the case, and they just want to heal more quickly, why do some of these athletes insist on seeing a trainer or someone other than the team doctor for their steroids if all they want to do is heal? Simple; a doctor obviously wouldn't give them a legal prescription for steroids because they don't want them for a legitimate reason.

BALCO doesn't make designer steroids for healing purposes.

[raven20]

Worried about hgh and these idiots can't run a country and they are worried about baseball.

[HuskenNugget]

Are there any other Blue Jay fans in this thread, and what do you think about hearing the club being brought up quite a bit?

As for myself, i think it sucks, especially when i read the list of names in the Mitchell report and see all the players that at one point played in Toronto

[freezowave1978]

Why is it that baseball takes such issue with it where the NFL sees it as a little slap on the wrist...

I agree 100% it is such a huge hypocrisy, and in a contact sport like football a non-user assumes a much larger risk playing against guys who are artificially performing above their biological means. It is SO clear how pervasive performance enhancing drugs are being abused it boggles my mind how the MLB gets steamrolled while the NFL gets a free pass.

I also am interested in how little press has been given to overseas and Latin American doctors/communities who are obviously just as involved, if not more, than any of these guys.

[freezowave1978]

Are there any other Blue Jay fans in this thread, and what do you think about hearing the club being brought up quite a bit?

As for myself, i think it sucks, especially when i read the list of names in the Mitchell report and see all the players that at one point played in Toronto

No more than the old 1990's Rangers teams, that were owned by a particular president at the supposed peak of their steroid use.

Palmeiro
Pudge
Juan Gonzalez
Will Clark
etc.

[rocketsan22]

Are there any other Blue Jay fans in this thread, and what do you think about hearing the club being brought up quite a bit?

As for myself, i think it sucks, especially when i read the list of names in the Mitchell report and see all the players that at one point played in Toronto

I'm pissed that a reputable gentleman like Tommy Craig was dragged into all this...

Knoblauch should have been injected with the ability to throw the ball to the first baseman.

[rocketsan22]

That's SEVEN Cy Youngs... :)

[rocketsan22]

If Clemens valued education, he shouldn't have left University early to go to Pawtucket...

Check that, he tipped his hat to his brother for getting his degree ;)

[freezowave1978]

Clemens seems to rest 100% on the "I'm Roger Clemens, so believe me." card. It is completely irrelevant.

[Silent_H]

This would be so much easier if Pettitte and Knoblauch were there, we'd atleast get two "friends" at each others throats, then we can see who buckles first.

[rocketsan22]

The farce of all this was just accentuated with that "What jersey will you be wearing into the HOF?" question...

[DJBurnside]

is this a joke?!! "What uniform will you wear in the hall of fame?" "As a New Yorker I would like to say thank you to you Mr Clemens"

[rocketsan22]

Mr. Clay hearts Mr. Clemens

[rocketsan22]

Time for the Chair...

[dayday6]

I agree 100% it is such a huge hypocrisy, and in a contact sport like football a non-user assumes a much larger risk playing against guys who are artificially performing above their biological means. It is SO clear how pervasive performance enhancing drugs are being abused it boggles my mind how the MLB gets steamrolled while the NFL gets a free pass.

I also am interested in how little press has been given to overseas and Latin American doctors/communities who are obviously just as involved, if not more, than any of these guys.


The NFL has a drug policy, whether it is real or not they have one.
MLB never had one, that is why they are in the spotlight.

Steroids are not illegal everywhere, so the media should not focus on it.

[sportspicks4me]

Time for the Chair...


This shoud be good. :rolleyes:

[rocketsan22]

How much money is your country spending on this comedy?

[DJBurnside]

can you imagine if this happened at the OJ trial?

"Mr Simpson...on a side note...at what point did you know you were going to hit 200 yards in that game?...cause that was AWESOME!!......no further questions your honor"

[rocketsan22]

can you imagine if this happened at the OJ trial?

"Mr Simpson...on a side note...at what point did you know you were going to hit 200 yards in that game?...cause that was AWESOME!!......no further questions your honor"

LOL, exactly...

[rocketsan22]

Re. the nanny contact: "I don't know if there's anything improper here..."

THEN WHY BRING IT UP????

[freezowave1978]

The NFL has a drug policy, whether it is real or not they have one.
MLB never had one, that is why they are in the spotlight.

Steroids are not illegal everywhere, so the media should not focus on it.

The NFL turns blindly away from performance enhancers with archaic testing procedures, but get a free pass by cracking down so heavy handedly on mood enhancing drugs.

Once again this fall somewhat into the Pedro at a **** fight discussion. However, there are now league rules against PED's in the MLB, and many of these rules are being bypassed south of the boarder, but the MLB has never once mentioned how they would deal with this as a real threat to their 0 tolerance PED policy.

[rocketsan22]

Who's Mr. MacAmee?

[BurningSoul]

Is this really any of the Federal Governments responsibility? We have wars, the largest deficit this nation has ever seen and a crumbling economy, needles in a crushed beer can should be the furthest thing from our Congress' mind.

[sportspicks4me]

Is this really any of the Federal Governments responsibility? We have wars, the largest deficit this nation has ever seen and a crumbling economy, needles in a crushed beer can should be the furthest thing from our Congress' mind.


Word!!!!

[ToightLikeATiger]

Its a way for these people to get their name out there and face on tv. noone watches hearings that have to do with war or budgets. people will watch this though. really it has zero to do with congress. just like spygate with the patriots has nothing to do with it. its just politicians trying to get their name and face out there.

[rocketsan22]

"I'm sure you're going to heaven." ????? ***?

[DJBurnside]

Who's Mr. MacAmee?

or Can-seeco

[dayday6]

Is this really any of the Federal Governments responsibility? We have wars, the largest deficit this nation has ever seen and a crumbling economy, needles in a crushed beer can should be the furthest thing from our Congress' mind.

The Government has a lot of commitees, this is one of them.

Baseball has an antitrust exemption with the U.S. government, the government can revoke it, if they think MLB is abusing their power.

[raven20]

Downtown Berkeley became a battleground of its own kind today as about 500 anti-war and pro-military protesters faced off in a public plaza over the Marine Corps' recruiting center in the city. Three protesters - a man and two teenagers - were arrested in separate scuffles, police said.

The City Council is scheduled to decide tonight whether to revoke a letter it approved two weeks ago telling the Marines they are "unwelcome intruders" and should leave. The council's action provoked widespread debate.

This is what these old men and women should be getting worked up about.

[ogrjmj]

what a waste of time. these people dont even know who they're questioning, what purpose does this serve anyway? how about holding some public hearings on health care,or white collar crimes,or the war in iraq, they should be putting bush up there and question him,. they're both lying to a degree, get over it and move on.if congress is going to institute testing in sports then just do it in all sports and quit dragging out all this minutia.the mitchell report should have never named names unless they had concrete phyisical evidence. that being said it is interesting to watch, kind of like a train wreck.

[ToightLikeATiger]

The Government has a lot of commitees, this is one of them.

Baseball has an antitrust exemption with the U.S. government, the government can revoke it, if they think MLB is abusing their power.

Baseball has never been on trial. Its been individual players. If the committee were going after baseball Selig, Owners and Union would be on trial for days and grilled about this situation.

I think every knows Selig, Owners and the Union knew sterioids were being used. They ignored it. So really the committee could easily go after them if they wanted to.

Its a witch hunt. They want a famous player on trial and make a name for themselves. This whole thing is a joke and it shouldnt even be taking place. Either go after the head hancho (mlb) itself or leave it alone. This witch hunt accomplishes nothing. Taking Roger Clemens head doesnt fix baseball or what was done in the past.

[SlayKnotV1]

he said he has never heard of B12 ............everyones has heard of it hasnt they

Isn't B12 a spot on a bingo board :rolleyes: :D. Seriously thou i think they are both full of **** but clemens sounds more convincing that brian the rat :eek:

[right between the eyes]

"I'm sure you're going to heaven." ????? ***?

LMAO!......kinda hard to top that.

Rocket.......keep your name, just change your avatar.

[dayday6]

Baseball has never been on trial. Its been individual players. If the committee were going after baseball Selig, Owners and Union would be on trial for days and grilled about this situation.

I think every knows Selig, Owners and the Union knew sterioids were being used. They ignored it. So really the committee could easily go after them if they wanted to.

Its a witch hunt. They want a famous player on trial and make a name for themselves. This whole thing is a joke and it shouldnt even be taking place. Either go after the head hancho (mlb) itself or leave it alone. This witch hunt accomplishes nothing. Taking Roger Clemens head doesnt fix baseball or what was done in the past.


So you are saying Senator Mitchell made all this up?
MLB hired him.
Nobody is on trial, they do not have to talk to this commitee.

[right between the eyes]

With everything that has happened and going to happen.

This would make a great reality TV series.

[HoosierDaddy]

I'm just going to say this and be done. Any of you who think the democrats are the greatest thing since sliced bread should not be outspoken about the government having better things to do. When you vote liberal/socialist you are asking for leaders who want big government. A government that thinks it has the right to stick it's nose in every aspect of our personal lives. A government that starts a new bureaucracy and a new committee for anything imaginable just to run your lives because you are of course, to stupid to know how to live your life properly on your own. If we kept to our original conservative values the government would be small and be unable to do much about issues such as this. I'm just sayin' don't vote democrat then complain when the government does democrat things.

[Yzerman19c]

The Nanny thing was bad for Mr Clemens

[rocketsan22]

LMAO!......kinda hard to top that.

Rocket.......keep your name, just change your avatar.

Yeah, I think Raghib will get full billing and Roger is going to get the boot...

[raven20]

I'm just going to say this and be done. Any of you who think the democrats are the greatest thing since sliced bread should not be outspoken about the government having better things to do. When you vote liberal/socialist you are asking for leaders who want big government. A government that thinks it has the right to stick it's nose in every aspect of our personal lives. A government that starts a new bureaucracy and a new committee for anything imaginable just to run your lives because you are of course, to stupid to know how to live your life properly on your own. If we kept to our original conservative values the government would be small and be unable to do much about issues such as this. I'm just sayin' don't vote democrat then complain when the government does democrat things.

Good Post.

[SlayKnotV1]

Now McNamee is getting tongue tied about the BBQ. :D

Next he's gonna say he gave clemens a hamburger with lettuce, tomato & HGH :rolleyes: :D

[rocketsan22]

Clemens should just say the same thing that sprinter Ben Johnson said "I didn't take no stereos..."

[rocketsan22]

Is misremember even a word? Clemens is making a fool of himself, too.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/misheard

[porculator]

I'm just going to say this and be done. Any of you who think the democrats are the greatest thing since sliced bread should not be outspoken about the government having better things to do. When you vote liberal/socialist you are asking for leaders who want big government. A government that thinks it has the right to stick it's nose in every aspect of our personal lives. A government that starts a new bureaucracy and a new committee for anything imaginable just to run your lives because you are of course, to stupid to know how to live your life properly on your own. If we kept to our original conservative values the government would be small and be unable to do much about issues such as this. I'm just sayin' don't vote democrat then complain when the government does democrat things.

Unfortunately republicans (other than Ron Paul) won't keep to our original conservative values either, so we're kind of hosed either way.

On a separate note, I'm about 2 metro stops from Capitol Hill right now, I'm thinking of going down there and throwing some broken bats at Clemens for kicks

[04bb77]

The Nanny thing was bad for Mr Clemens

Damage control going on now..

The Nanny fried him..

Roger is done..
I thought he was guilty prior to today.
The case is stronger now..

The HOF line starts behind Pete...

[ToightLikeATiger]

So you are saying Senator Mitchell made all this up?
MLB hired him.
Nobody is on trial, they do not have to talk to this commitee.

Never said Mitchell made it up. He took information he gathered and made a report. That has nothing to do with what you said. You said this was about baseball and the antitrust situation. If it was about that the people who run baseball would be on trial not individual players.

Also you dont think they have to talk to the commitee? You are naive my friend. If they refused they would have gotten a subpeona (sp) quicker then you can type a response to this. So there was no choice for Clemens of McNamee here. They were going to testify whether they wanted to cooperate or not.

[MofoEd]

The person grilling McNamee asking him why he kept the needles and why he stayed working for someone he didn’t trust , I would answered, Sir , you work for the government, so you should be able to relate to working for someone you don’t trust or respect or for someone who you felt was wrong yet kept quiet. But thats just me :)

[rocketsan22]

Dr. Brian McNamee...

[dayday6]

Never said Mitchell made it up. He took information he gathered and made a report. That has nothing to do with what you said. You said this was about baseball and the antitrust situation. If it was about that the people who run baseball would be on trial not individual players.

Also you dont think they have to talk to the commitee? You are naive my friend. If they refused they would have gotten a subpeona (sp) quicker then you can type a response to this. So there was no choice for Clemens of McNamee here. They were going to testify whether they wanted to cooperate or not.


When was Bonds before the commitee?

[ToightLikeATiger]

When was Bonds before the commitee?

They havent wanted him to be. There is a bigger case against him for perjury. He was in front of a grand jury and supposedly lied. There is no need for the commitee to interfere with that case.

[DJBurnside]

"My investigaTORS did the investigaTING"

[dayday6]

They havent wanted him to be. There is a bigger case against him for perjury. He was in front of a grand jury and supposedly lied. There is no need for the commitee to interfere with that case.


They asked all the players and Bonds said no, alot of the players said no.

You do not know what you are talking about.

[Therman Merman]

Is it just me, or does the guy sitting behind Clemens' lawyer, bare a resemblance to Johnny Knoxville? Like maybe it could be a brother or cousin? :D You can see him directly over Clemens' right shoulder.

[Silent_H]

Is it just me, or does the guy sitting behind Clemens' lawyer, bare a resemblance to Johnny Knoxville? Like maybe it could be a brother or cousin? :D You can see him directly over Clemens' right shoulder.

Break out the shopping carts!!!!!111!!

[Therman Merman]

LOL! I keep waiting for Steve-O and Wee-Man to bust through the door, sticking each other in the ass with needles! :D

[whoh8sbacon]

The one old "homer for Roger" Senator was funny...

"So McNamee, when you spoke to (X member of the press) and said you didn't know anything about Clemens steroids, that was a lie?"

"That's right."

"And when you spoke to (Y member of the press) and said you didn't know anything about Clemens and steroids, that was a lie?"

"That's right."

"And when you spoke to (Z member of the press) and said you didn't know anything about Clemens and steroids, that was a lie?"

"That's right."

"But what you're saying now is the truth?"

Yeah, dumbass, when federal investigators asked me under oath and I was facing prosecution if I lied, instead of members of the media, I told the truth. SURPRISE!!!!

[whoh8sbacon]

The confirmation by Knoblauch and Petitte that McNamee is truthful is damning.

Petitte's recollection of Clemens admission is damning.

The nanny preinterview by Clemens camp is damning (not sure why the timing of the meeting at Canseco's house is relevant, since Clemens and McNamee clearly know each other)

The two masses on each of Clemens butt cheeks during his time in Toronto is damning.

Clemens claiming he had no knowledge of HGH but that his wife was being injected by his own trainer without his knowledge isn't believable.

Clemens claiming on several occassions that he didn't know that Senator Mitchell wanted to meet with him, yet telling 60 Minutes that his lawyers advised him not to meet with Mitchell is inconsistant.

[whoh8sbacon]

Clemens argument to discredit Andy Pettitte is that Roger believes that if Andy knew Roger was taking HGH, Andy would have come to Roger and asked him about how to use HGH, that they are just that close.

Well, obviously that isn't the case, because Andy's sworn testimony clearly indicates that he did in fact believe that Roger was taking HGH in his own mind (misremembory or not), yet as far as we've been told no conversations about use occurred. Maybe Andy just believed it was a "don't ask/don't tell" code of conduct through baseball, even with his close buddy Roger.

[Voodoo Chylde]

The confirmation by Knoblauch and Petitte that McNamee is truthful is damning.

Petitte's recollection of Clemens admission is damning.

The nanny preinterview by Clemens camp is damning (not sure why the timing of the meeting at Canseco's house is relevant, since Clemens and McNamee clearly know each other)

The two masses on each of Clemens butt cheeks during his time in Toronto is damning.

Clemens claiming he had no knowledge of HGH but that his wife was being injected by his own trainer without his knowledge isn't believable.

Clemens claiming on several occassions that he didn't know that Senator Mitchell wanted to meet with him, yet telling 60 Minutes that his lawyers advised him not to meet with Mitchell is inconsistant.

Wow! You summed up in 5 mins what Congress couldn't sum up in how many hours now? I'm afraid I have to give you the bad news that you could NEVER be a politician. Try to soldier on with your life anyway.;):D

[whoh8sbacon]

Try to soldier on with your life anyway.;):D

Okay, I'll try. ;)

[right between the eyes]

It's OVER.........Roger will walk from these allegations, his personna will dominate any proceedings.

Any proffesional athlete who takes a performance enhancing substance accepts all health risks long before his first injection. This is the way things are in our win at all cost society.

I would still pay to see Roger Clemons pitch.

In 15 yrs........... i'll look forward to reading Andy Pettitte's book.

[Hardcore Legend]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/DIMPHardcore/clemensheaven.jpg

[whoh8sbacon]

Is it more unbelievable that Brian McNamee has a 5 year old needle or that Roger can come up with a ten year old golf receipt? ;)

The needle thing bothered me. It didn't seem normal for someone to have kept used needles and bloody gauze for so long. But then the potential for blackmail in the future makes the most sense. I can also see that McNamee might have decided to keep such needles in case the steroids thing came down like a house of cards around him and he needed such proof so that he wasn't the only fall guy. And it isn't a hard leap for me to believe that Roger would indeed look out for a number one when things started snowballing and would leave McNamee hanging out to dry.

[whoh8sbacon]

Clemens talking in circles while opposing members of congress time runs out is ridiculous. Is this the way it really goes for every day matters before congress? It's sick. "oops, your time is up."

[ncblue79]

The MD Representative said he doesn't believe nothing Roger is saying.

[Hardcore Legend]

Clemens talking in circles while opposing members of congress time runs out is ridiculous. Is this the way it really goes for every day matters before congress? It's sick. "oops, your time is up."

Part of the reason Clemens is talking in circles is because these questions are beyond stupid.

"Mr. Clemens, if you say that Mr. Pettitte is a truthful person and Brian McNamee says these other two players used HGH, why would he lie about you?"

My response would be, ask him. They are asking questions to the wrong people.

[ncblue79]

He called McNamme a cop that's a drug dealer.:D That man was going off on McNamme, ripping him a new one.

[Hardcore Legend]

He called McNamme a cop that's a drug dealer.:D

Ouch, he's roasting McNamme now.

[whoh8sbacon]

"Mr. Chairman, he deceived me!"

"uh-huh...."

[whoh8sbacon]

B12 is pinky red in color. HGH is clear. Testosterone is honey brown. Why didn't anyone ask Clemens if he ever saw Brian inject him with anything that wasn't pinky red? McNamee is saying the HGH regimine was 4 times a week, and Roger is saying that he's had between 4 and 6 injections from McNamee in his life. It truly is a circus.

[whoh8sbacon]

Or, he injected roger with B-12, Lidocain or nothing, and kept the needles and tainted them with HGH for an instant "get out of jail free" card. Which was their exact use....

Roger is saying that he only had 4-6 injections from Brian in his life. McNamee has submitted about 30 used needles to the federal investigators, presumably with Clemens DNA.

[Silent_H]

how long do you think before there will be any real results?

Probably never.

[whoh8sbacon]

how long do you think before there will be any real results?


How long until Armageddon?

[04bb77]

Its over and Roger is the biggest loser today..

[HollandX]

I guess that Roger and Brian aren't friends anymore.

[whoh8sbacon]

Well, glad that got it all settled then......

[porculator]

Aint that just like a Dem, to thank a drug dealer and admitted criminal and silence the man attempted to defend himself?

Yep, if I had a dollar for every time a dem did that, I tell you what

[whoh8sbacon]

Wow, the word "bull*****" just slipped through the filter on the Score telecast after the hearing.

The dude on the Score telecast just said, if your life was riding on it for you to pick out who was being truthful today about whether Roger used HGH or not, and you die if you're wrong, who would you pick?

Yep, I think Roger definitely loses today.

[DJBurnside]

One liar admitted he was lying, one liar kept lying

[right between the eyes]

One liar admitted he was lying, one liar kept lying

That's pretty much it in a nutshell.

[gretzky999]

Poor Clemens, he must have some kind of brain disorder that makes you forget things right after they happen.

i think thats a side effect of HGH isnt it?? LOL

[markm25]

Does Roger deserve a " * " next to his 7 Cy Youngs like Bonds and his HRs

[rocketsan22]

Does Roger deserve a " * " next to his 7 Cy Youngs like Bonds and his HRs

Maybe they'll use his strikeout total as his prison number...

[whoh8sbacon]

Does Roger suffer from 'hatsize syndrome' the same way Barry supposedly does? I heard guys on sports radio saying that Roger has moved up three hat sizes......

[markm25]

Does Roger suffer from 'hatsize syndrome' the same way Barry supposedly does? I heard guys on sports radio saying that Roger has moved up three hat sizes......
I haven't heard about that ...it could be some kind of ailment he has.:rolleyes:

[rocketsan22]

At least Spike Owen never juiced...I have one sports hero still standing...