2008 NHL Trade Deadline Thread - Confirmed deals in first post

[PrimeBane]

The trade deadline is less than 2 weeks away (Feb 26th)

Post and rumors or deals. I'll try to update the first post with any deals.

If possible provide your link to the rumor (even if it's Eklund).

Deals
To Senators: Commodore and Stillman
To Hurricanes: Corvo and Eaves
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=229406&hubname=nhl

To Flyers: Modry
To King: 3rd round draftpick
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230038&hubname=

To Flames: Vandermeer
To Flyers: 3rd round draftpick
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230140&hubname=

Flyers claim Thoreson off waivers from Oilers
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230295&hubname=nhl

Forsberg signs with Avs
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230555&hubname=nhl

To Flyers: Prospal
To Lightning: Picard and DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230584&hubname=nhl

To Devils: Salvador
To Blues: Jansen
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230605&hubname=nhl

To Panthers: Belak
To Leafs: 5th round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230611&hubname=nhl

To Sharks: Campbell
To Sabres: Bernier and 1st round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230612&hubname=nhl

To Stars: Richards and Holmqvist
To Lightning: Smith, Halpern, Jokinen
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230613&hubname=nhl

To Capitals: Huet
To Habs: 2nd round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230614&hubname=nhl

To Hurricanes: Tuomo Ruutu
To Blackhawks: Ladd
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230616&hubname=nhl

To Avalanche: Salei
To Panthers: Skastins, 3rd round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230618&hubname=nhl

To Senators: Lapointe
To Blackhawks: 6th round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230620&hubname=

To Avs: Foote
To Blue Jackets: Conditional 1st round DP and conditional pick on Foote re-signing
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230623&hubname=nhl

To Capitals: Fedorov
To Blue Jackets: Theo Ruth
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230624&hubname=

To Islanders: Davidson
To Sharks: 7th round DP


To Capitals: Cooke
To Canucks: Pettinger
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230629&hubname=nhl

To Rangers: Backman
To Blues: 4th round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230636&hubname=nhl

To Penguins: Hal Gil
To Leafs: 2nd and 5th round DPs
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230635&hubname=nhl

To Penguins: Hossa, Dupuis
To Thrashers: Esposito, Armstrong, Christensen, 1st round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230637&hubname=nhl

To Wild: Simon
To Islanders: 6th round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230638&hubname=nhl

To Wings: Stewart
To Kings: 2nd and 4th round DPs
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230639&hubname=nhl

To Rangers: Sjostrom, Leneveu, Gratton
To Coyotes: Hossa, Montoya
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230641&hubname=nhl

To Panthers: Kilger
To Leafs: 3rd round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230640&hubname=nhl

To Ducks: Bergeron
To Islanders: 3rd round DP
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230643&hubname=nhl

To Ducks: Aubin
To Kings: 7th round DP

To Thrashers: Motzko
To Capitals: Giroux

To Predators: Hlavac
To Lightning: 7th round DP

To Predators: Bochenski
To Ducks: future considerations

[Thorondor 33]

Good thread. I will be on the couch for the entire day like last year.

[PrimeBane]

Up... it's surprisingly quiet. :(

I guess there is the whole "Sundin waiving his NTC" thing, but there's not real confirmation one way or the other on it.

[brew]

Please let Tanguay be gone!

[madcracker]

Especially if it means getting Jokinen in return. That would really strenthen the Flames line-up.

[PrimeBane]

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the following:

Senators GM Bryan Murray continues to work the phones, looking for a scoring winger to play with Mike Fisher and Cory Stillman on the Sens second line, and if possible he'd like to add a blueliner to man the point on power players. Forwards that might interest Murray include Atlanta's Marian Hossa (whom the Montreal Canadiens are believed close to acquiring), Edmonton's Jarret Stoll, Pittsburgh's Ryan Malone, Tampa's Vaclav Prospal and Phoenix's Radim Vrbata, while defencemen could include Buffalo's Brian Campbell (whom Garrioch claims the Sabres may be preparing to move), Tampa's Dan Boyle and St. Louis's Barrett Jackman or Bryce Salvador.

[blazinblair]

Hossa to Montreal....interesting.

[avsfan21]

I still dont see Jokinen leaving Florida.

[PrimeBane]

I tend to agree... why part with Olli unless he wants out?

[avsfan21]

Plus they just signed him to a long term contract. If his contract was up this year I could see it.

[freezerbox]

I think it's one of those where there is smoke there is fire scenarios. He apparently doesn't get along with Jacques Martin & with the frequency his name comes up you have to think he may be moved for the right price. I'd like to see him in the Flaming C in a package deal including Tanguay (who I think would thrive in another situation as a 1st liner).

Plus they just signed him to a long term contract. If his contract was up this year I could see it.

[Paul755]

Up... it's surprisingly quiet. :(

I guess there is the whole "Sundin waiving his NTC" thing, but there's not real confirmation one way or the other on it.
Not just Sundin. But Forsberg. Once he makes up his mind, all the other feet will start to drop.

[freezerbox]

Typically all the big stuff is very close to the deadline. The Sens trade hasn't sparked a fury of trades yet by an means. As I mentioned above I hope the Flames are active and can get some secondary scoring to solidify there chances as a Cup contender.

[Tugnut27]

Good thread. I will be on the couch for the entire day like last year.

And that will be different from every day how?

[BIg_ALEX]

sundin to Carolina after Brindamour is gone?

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I tend to agree... why part with Olli unless he wants out?

Agreeded, bro. Most of the Jokinen rumours come from the pipedreams of Flames fans who think a Tanguay + filler for Jokinen swap is realistic. They also tend to forget that Tanguay has a NTC and no one wants to give up a $5 mill per year 80+ point guy like Olli for a $5 mill per year stiff like Tanguay.

[glove-save]

I see Sundin, possibly doing the same thing as Weight did, accept a trade, run for the cup..then re sign

Wonder what the 'Canes will do now that brindamour is out for the year?
Robert Lang?

Sharks need a proven veteran goalie to support/back up Nabby
Ed Belfour, Dan Cloutier or Dwayne Roloson?

[gretzky999]

I HOPE THE HAWKS MOVE EITHER LANG OR LAPOINTE FOR SOMETHING

or maybe havlat for some top picks and youth

[freezerbox]

Be interesting to see if Philly trades some or one of it's young crop to solidify themselves for a playoff run. I believe I read online that Jeff Carter may be available, I'm sure many teams would love a crack at a guy like that with plenty of upside.

[pittcowboysfan]

I hope the Flyers don't trade Jeff Carter. I think he will be a top notch player in the future.

[freezerbox]

I totally agree, I can't remember the site that mentioned "he may" be available. But they do have alot of coin tied up in Gagne, Briere and Richards. That would certainly get people talking, I think.

[Leafsfan1967]

sundin to Carolina after Brindamour is gone?


Not a chance. he won't go there, I'm sure of it. He goes to a top tier team, or he stays in T-Dot is my guess!

[PhilM]

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the following:

Senators GM Bryan Murray continues to work the phones, looking for a scoring winger to play with Mike Fisher and Cory Stillman on the Sens second line, and if possible he'd like to add a blueliner to man the point on power players. Forwards that might interest Murray include Atlanta's Marian Hossa (whom the Montreal Canadiens are believed close to acquiring), Edmonton's Jarret Stoll, Pittsburgh's Ryan Malone, Tampa's Vaclav Prospal and Phoenix's Radim Vrbata, while defencemen could include Buffalo's Brian Campbell (whom Garrioch claims the Sabres may be preparing to move), Tampa's Dan Boyle and St. Louis's Barrett Jackman or Bryce Salvador.

Barrett Jackman, a power play specialist??



Sharks need a proven veteran goalie to support/back up Nabby
Ed Belfour, Dan Cloutier or Dwayne Roloson?

Dan Cloutier, proven? Proven what, that he's not a very good goalie.

[avsfan21]

Man it is so quite on trade front. The NBA is getting deal after deal and nothing on the NHL front. There really isnt even any thing that sounds like it is close to be getting done either.

[JerseyDevil]

I'm hearing the Devils and Blackhawks are in works that would involve Brian Gionta and Martin Havlat.

[JerseyDevil]

Also hearing between the Devils and Canadiens - David Clarkson for Michael Ryder.

[freezerbox]

Got this list of potential deadline bait on the CBS Sportsline site, pretty good list.


Goaltenders


Olaf Kolzig, Washington Capitals (unrestricted free agent)
There are a strange set of circumstances unfolding in Washington as the once-dead Caps crawled to within a point of the Southeast Division lead at the break. They did so in spite of pretty ordinary goaltending from the classy veteran Kolzig, who has recorded a save percentage of more than .900 in just three of his past 11 games. Could GM George McPhee find a team looking for veteran backup help a la the Calgary Flames, who recently signed Curtis Joseph? The New York Rangers, perhaps? Or San Jose Sharks?


Mathieu Garon, Edmonton Oilers ($1 million next season)
Edmonton GM Kevin Lowe will have a hard time finding a taker for goalie Dwayne Roloson, who is due $3 million next season, but he might have an easier time moving Garon, who has supplanted Roloson as the starter in Edmonton. Garon has been sensational in the shootout (he's an unbelievable 8-0-0) and has a respectable 2.53 goals-against average and .914 save percentage. Would Garon give the Caps enough of an upgrade to get into the postseason? What about as a backup to workhorse Evgeni Nabokov in San Jose, where the Sharks need a long playoff run? If the Rangers make the playoffs, Garon might be a nice safety net for Henrik Lundqvist.

Defensemen


Brian Campbell, Buffalo Sabres (unrestricted free agent)
The plot thickens in Buffalo, or sickens if you're a Sabres fan. Campbell won't talk contract with the Sabres until after the season. The team will be life-and-death to make the playoffs and GM Darcy Regier can hardly afford to let another key piece of his franchise take a powder without getting something in return. And Campbell, an All-Star and strong candidate for the 2010 Canadian Olympic team, is the best defenseman who could be available on the market. The New York Rangers need help defensively, as do the Sharks.


Joni Pitkanen, Edmonton Oilers (restricted free agent)
Hall of Fame hockey writer Jim Matheson recently compared Pitkanen to Florida stud Jay Bouwmeester. Pitkanen is a Finn, not a Canadian, and got a bad rap in Philadelphia before being dealt to the Oilers in the offseason. Can the Oil afford him, especially if teams will be looking for a little payback on GM Kevin Lowe with an offer sheet in the offseason? If Lowe thinks rookie Tim Gilbert is the puck-moving defenseman of the future, he might be tempted to move him. Pitkanen won't be cheap, though.


Rob Blake, Los Angeles Kings (unrestricted free agent)
The big veteran has a no-trade clause but is believed to be willing to waive it under the right circumstances. He was hoping to be part of a renaissance in Los Angeles, but the Kings are among the NHL's worst teams. So Blake might be happy to give it one more go somewhere else. If Colorado moves defenseman John-Michael Liles, Blake could return to Colorado, where he won a Cup in 2001. The New York Rangers will also be interested in shoring up their blue line.


Wade Redden, Ottawa Senators (unrestricted free agent)
Interesting choices face Ottawa GM Bryan Murray. He'd like to bring in Peter Forsberg if the talented center is healthy, but he also has to keep one eye on the future. Ottawa has pretty good defensive depth, so it's unlikely he'll offer Redden a contract for the $6.5 million he's making this season. Would he deal Redden to, say, Edmonton, for some offensive depth if he can't land Forsberg? There are few quality defensemen who could be on the move, so the asking price will be high.


John-Michael Liles, Colorado Avalanche (unrestricted free agent)
Liles has a lot of upside as a puck-moving defenseman, but it appears the Avs won't be looking to re-sign him, so he'll likely be on the move. Liles might be the kind of defenseman who could help a team like Chicago over the long term if they thought they could lock him up.


Dan Boyle, Tampa Bay Lightning (unrestricted free agent)
Boyle has missed all but five games this season, but he did return to action just before the break and netted two goals against Ottawa. GM Jay Feaster is already in a salary-cap predicament with his three top forwards (Vincent Lecavalier, Martin St. Louis and Brad Richards). The question is whether Feaster can afford to lock up Boyle -- a fine, underappreciated defenseman and another likely member of the 2010 Canadian Olympic team -- without shedding one of the so-called triplets. The Bolts have little in the way of top prospects ready to play in the NHL and they need to restock the cupboard. The Rangers, Bruins and Sharks might be interested. If the Sens moved Redden, Boyle (an Ottawa native) would be a natural fit.


Ryan Suter, Nashville Predators (restricted free agent)
Suter, the seventh overall pick in the 2003 draft, may have taken a little longer to mature, but he's maturing rapidly and would be an attractive target for a GM thinking of making an offer sheet in the offseason. GM David Poile has said he will sign the team's top four restricted free agents -- Suter, Shea Weber, Jordin Tootoo and Martin Erat -- but if the moribund franchise doesn't hit the revenue-sharing triggers because of soft attendance, it may not have the cash. That would again force Poile into a position in which he might have to move top-level talent.


Shea Weber, Nashville Predators (restricted free agent)
See above, although Weber is the far more attractive prospect because of his size and booming shot and will (should) be priority re-signing No. 1 for the Predators.




Brad Stuart, Los Angeles Kings (unrestricted free agent)
Once upon a time, the third overall pick in the 1998 entry draft was considered one of the cornerstones of the San Jose Sharks' blue line. Dealt to Boston in the Joe Thornton deal, Stuart didn't fit in Boston, or later in Calgary, and has languished like many of the Kings in Los Angeles. He is minus-14 and has just four goals. Still, he has tools and could help fill out a playoff roster for the Rangers or even in San Jose, where coach Ron Wilson is familiar with Stuart's abilities.

Forwards


Marian Hossa, Atlanta Thrashers, RW (unrestricted free agent)
The top player that could be available on the market. GM Don Waddell will make one last-ditch effort to re-sign Hossa this week, but as one top agent told ESPN.com, there's "not a chance" Hossa will sign in Atlanta. One of the top two-way players in the game despite an off year offensively (45 points in 49 games), Hossa should yield an attractive package of top picks, prospects and/or young NHLers. San Jose (possibly for center Patrick Marleau), Vancouver or Colorado could all use offensive help and Hossa could deliver. Hossa does not have a no-trade clause; hard to imagine a team acquiring Hossa without believing they could sign him long term.


Mats Sundin, Toronto Maple Leafs, C (unrestricted free agent)
There is still much debate about whether Sundin will waive his no-trade clause to allow the Leafs to restock their shelves. As a center enjoying his most productive season in years (54 points in 51 games at the break), Sundin should bring a premium package. Anaheim could use depth down the middle, while Vancouver, Colorado, Calgary and Philadelphia all have the needs and assets to put a deal together. Look for Jeff Carter to be part of any deal involving the Flyers. Sundin's value will also go up if Forsberg can't return or signs early.


Darcy Tucker, Toronto Maple Leafs, RW (three years left on four-year deal; $3M annual cap hit)
The Leafs will be in sell-off mode in the coming days (why else would they bring in interim GM Cliff Fletcher if not to clear the decks) and there might be some interest in the scrappy forward if a GM thinks he might be able to rekindle the fire that seems to have gone out this season for Tucker. His $9 million over three years will be a tough sell, though. He might fit well with Mike Keenan in Calgary, and Tucker is a Western Canadian boy.


Jason Blake, Toronto Maple Leafs, LW (four years left on five-year deal, $4M annual cap hit)
Speaking of the Leafs' yard sale, Fletcher will no doubt be working the phones to try and find a taker for the fiery winger, who has grossly underachieved this season (just nine goals after a career-best 40 in 2006-07). Would the Islanders, who struggle to attract top free agents, want Blake back?


Jaromir Jagr, New York Rangers, RW (unrestricted free agent)
If the five-time scoring champ doesn't collect 84 points and the Rangers don't win at least one playoff round, then Jagr would become an unrestricted free agent. The team is on the playoff bubble, which raises the issue of whether GM Glen Sather would risk moving the talented 36-year-old winger, perhaps for defensive help, or seeing Jagr walk away for free in the offseason.


Mark Recchi, Atlanta Thrashers, RW (unrestricted free agent)
Just when it looked like it was over for the two-time Cup winner, Recchi has revived his career in Atlanta. He has 20 points in 23 games with the Thrashers, playing mostly with Ilya Kovalchuk. Still, does Recchi, who turns 40 this week, fit in long term on a team that needs to stop filling its lineup with castoffs and develop its own players? No. But Recchi might find a home on a playoff-bound team looking for scoring depth.


Bobby Holik, Atlanta Thrashers, C (unrestricted free agent)
Sources tell ESPN.com the New Jersey Devils inquired about Holik before the season, dangling John Madden. Why the Thrashers wouldn't have jumped at such an offer is mind-boggling, but we digress. Holik was once considered one of the top shut-down playoff men in the business and may still have limited value on the open market. The Devils would be a good place to start.


Glen Murray, Boston Bruins, RW (one year left on contract; $4.15 million)
The big forward has missed 14 games and counting with a hip flexor injury and doesn't fit into the Bruins' plans moving forward. He's a big ticket, but for a team with cap room and offensive needs like the Vancouver Canucks, it might be a good fit.


Martin Lapointe, Chicago Blackhawks, RW (unrestricted free agent)
Lapointe has been a great presence in the Chicago dressing room, but he really doesn't fit in the team's rebuilding and it has Kevyn Adams (albeit injured) to fill the role of the character leader/defensive specialist. Still, Lapointe is as tough as they come and could be a nice addition to a Stanley Cup-caliber team. Lapointe's old team, Detroit, might be interested, or Ottawa given it was pushed around by Anaheim in last season's Cup finals.


Sergei Fedorov, Columbus Blue Jackets, C (unrestricted free agent)
One of the more enigmatic players in the league, the former MVP and three-time Cup winner (all with the Red Wings) is on the down side of a Hall of Fame career. But he will still be enticing to a number of clubs looking for offensive depth, including the Ottawa Senators (GM Bryan Murray had Fedorov in Anaheim), or back in Detroit, where he is a known quantity.


Michael Peca, Columbus Blue Jackets, C (unrestricted free agent)
If the Blue Jackets are serious about re-signing veteran defenseman and captain Adam Foote, it might make Peca more expendable as Columbus moves into a summer where it is expected to be active on the free-agent market. Peca was a key part of the Edmonton Oilers' run to the 2006 Stanley Cup finals and would be a nice addition to a team like Ottawa or Detroit. Could the Buffalo Sabres use a little leadership right about now? Um, yes.


Ladislav Nagy, Los Angeles Kings, LW (unrestricted free agent)
The enigmatic Slovak will likely be looking at his fourth NHL home since the start of last season, having been in Phoenix, Dallas and now Los Angeles. Nagy has never produced at a level his talent suggests; the trend has continued this season as he has nine goals in 38 games. Ottawa and Colorado are looking for scoring depth, but Nagy won't command the first-round draft pick Phoenix was able to coax out of Dallas a season ago.


J.P. Dumont, Nashville Predators, RW (unrestricted free agent)
Dumont presents another interesting dilemma for Poile. Poile has a passel of restricted free agents to sign before next season and Dumont entered the break with a 14-game points streak as the Preds have climbed back to the edge of the playoff bubble. Poile would like to sign Dumont, who turns 30 in April; but does Dumont want to stick around a team that has a limited future in Nashville? Buffalo would sure love to have Dumont back, as would any team looking for offensive help that won't break the salary-cap or assets bank.


Michael Ryder, Montreal Canadiens, RW (unrestricted free agent)
The Newfoundland native scored 30 goals in each of the first two seasons after the lockout, but is having a miserable campaign in 2007-08 with just eight goals in 44 games. That said, Ryder has come around of late with two goals in the past four games. He might not yield much for the Habs, but there will certainly be interest. Perhaps from Colorado? The Avs are in desperate need of offensive help with Joe Sakic and Ryan Smyth on the injury shelf.

[WingNut 25]

Also hearing between the Devils and Canadiens - David Clarkson for Michael Ryder.

That would be a dumb trade for the Devils to make.

[PrimeBane]

Mathieu Garon, Edmonton Oilers ($1 million next season)
Edmonton GM Kevin Lowe will have a hard time finding a taker for goalie Dwayne Roloson, who is due $3 million next season, but he might have an easier time moving Garon, who has supplanted Roloson as the starter in Edmonton. Garon has been sensational in the shootout (he's an unbelievable 8-0-0) and has a respectable 2.53 goals-against average and .914 save percentage. Would Garon give the Caps enough of an upgrade to get into the postseason? What about as a backup to workhorse Evgeni Nabokov in San Jose, where the Sharks need a long playoff run? If the Rangers make the playoffs, Garon might be a nice safety net for Henrik Lundqvist.


Why on god's green earth would the Oilers trade Garon...? That's just insane.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Uh...because alot of teams are looking for goaltending and the Oilers can take advantage of that because they suck and aren't going anywhere?

[PrimeBane]

So they'd trade a guy that is top 6 in GAA and signed for another year at 1 mil and then have to go out and find another goalie since Roloson is pretty much done?

Give your head a shake...

[PrimeBane]

Lecavalier to ask for trade this summer?

http://sports.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CBC-SPORTS-V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=lecavalier-lightning

[ComradeFlyer]

OTTAWA SUN: Bruce Garrioch reports the following:

Senators GM Bryan Murray continues to work the phones, looking for a scoring winger to play with Mike Fisher and Cory Stillman on the Sens second line, and if possible he'd like to add a blueliner to man the point on power players. Forwards that might interest Murray include Atlanta's Marian Hossa (whom the Montreal Canadiens are believed close to acquiring), Edmonton's Jarret Stoll, Pittsburgh's Ryan Malone, Tampa's Vaclav Prospal and Phoenix's Radim Vrbata, while defencemen could include Buffalo's Brian Campbell (whom Garrioch claims the Sabres may be preparing to move), Tampa's Dan Boyle and St. Louis's Barrett Jackman or Bryce Salvador.

you forgot the disclaimer... SINCE BRUCE GARRIOCH IS REPORTING ALL OF THESE CAN BE CONSIDERED FAR FROM TRUE

[PrimeBane]

That's why it's a rumors and deal thread :)

[right between the eyes]

Why on god's green earth would the Oilers trade Garon...? That's just insane.

Mathieu Garon has been much more than we expected...as much as he's takin over here,
It sort'of makes sense. We're 2 yrs from doing any play-off damage anyways.

If moving Garon (as part of a package) gets us that front line center or franchise player, then i'm all for it.

If we fast forward a year, and don't have Mathieu signed to an extension, then he walks as a UFA to the highest bidder that summer.

Unless it's a guy who we all know can be our (Oilers) new face of the franchise player.......Mathieu Garon stays and hopefully gets a five yr extension.

Great thread Scott.....where's the subscribe button.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

So they'd trade a guy that is top 6 in GAA and signed for another year at 1 mil and then have to go out and find another goalie since Roloson is pretty much done?

Give your head a shake...

If someone blows their doors off with an offer, they have to consider it, what are the Oilers going to gain by keeping him through next season? Another 13th-14th place finish in the Western Conference? The optimism in your post about the Oilers is pretty funny, you're acting like they will make a playoff run with Garon next season or something, I think you have to strike while the iron is hot with him because so many teams are looking for serviceable goaltending.

[PrimeBane]

You posted... you're now subscribed :)

I don't know if I'd even part with Garon for a franchise player now... good goalies are hard to come by and Garon has kept the Oil from being a total disaster on ice this season. Where does Lowe find another diamond in the rough like that?

An Eklund rumor between Edmonton and LA
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=13393

[ComradeFlyer]

That's why it's a rumors and deal thread :)

but my high school students have more hockey insight than bruce garrioch. the guy makes eklund seem credible. :D

[PrimeBane]

If someone blows their doors off with an offer, they have to consider it, what are the Oilers going to gain by keeping him through next season? Another 13th-14th place finish in the Western Conference? The optimism in your post about the Oilers is pretty funny, you're acting like they will make a playoff run with Garon next season or something, I think you have to strike while the iron is hot with him because so many teams are looking for serviceable goaltending.

Then what do they do next season? Hope Roloson shakes the rust off?

At least this team has hope... how are those broken down Laughs of your's fairing?

[PrimeBane]

but my high school students have more hockey insight than bruce garrioch. the guy makes eklund seem credible. :D

LOL... post some of their rumors then... it's all in good fun :D

[avsfan21]

I know they can have Theodore if they really want him.

[freezerbox]

I was a bit surprised by Garon being on the list, however, arguments listed above make it plausible considering they could get something in return geared towards the future.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Then what do they do next season? Hope Roloson shakes the rust off?

Well, that would be one option because no team is going to take on the $3 million he's owed in 2008-2009 but if I remember correctly, the Oilers have plenty of cap room, they only have something like $33 million guaranteed for next season so why can't they make a run at a guy like Huet or Theodore in free agency? I think that would make alot of sense for the Oilers and it would drastically improve the make-up of their team. Sure, Garon has been very good this year but that doesn't mean you should hand over your team to him because he's had a good half season, they should look to improve that position regardless of Garon's performance.

At least this team has hope... how are those broken down Laughs of your's fairing?

Who said anything about the Leafs? :confused:

[freezerbox]

I think for some reason Huet could be pried away from MTL with a half decent return for him.

[VaN uLAr]

but my high school students have more hockey insight than bruce garrioch. the guy makes eklund seem credible. :D

I LOVE IT !!!!

Bruce Garrioch is nothing but a hack journalist in a small hockey market that relies on stirring up fake rumours to get over his inferiority complex. NOTHING the guy ever says is credible. NOBODY can ever disagree with him because Mr. Blowhard goes off the deep end whenever one of his rumours or statements is challenged.

[VaN uLAr]

I think for some reason Huet could be pried away from MTL with a half decent return for him.

If they don't get him signed this week, I think he's gone. It would explain why they've given Price the ball lately.

[mikeblue29]

sportsnet just mentioned a hossa for cheechoo trade possibility

[OilyLeafKing]

Sharks need a proven veteran goalie to support/back up Nabby
Ed Belfour, Dan Cloutier or Dwayne Roloson?

Dan Cloutier, proven? Proven what, that he's not a very good goalie.

Someone... please anyone take Dan Cloutier and his ginormous contract. Why any team would do that is beyond me....

The combo or Lombardi throwing all that money at Cloutier, Crawford annointing him the #1 guy in L.A., and systemically giving up on Mathieu Garon (who performed well for the Kings when given the chance) last year was one of the stupidest things the Kings have done in recent years.

[PrimeBane]

I see on the news tonight that Forsberg is still having foot problems and may not sign with anyone for a playoff run.

[OilyLeafKing]

I know they can have Theodore if they really want him.

Throwing aside the last few games... isn't Theodore's stellar play one of the main reasons why the Avs have been keeping themselves in the playoff race despite injuries to the big three forwards... :confused:

[avsfan21]

I am sure that Budaj could put up comparable numbers for about a tenth of the price.

[PhilM]

Lecavalier to ask for trade this summer?

http://sports.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/TopStories/ContentPosting.aspx?feedname=CBC-SPORTS-V2&showbyline=True&newsitemid=lecavalier-lightning




From all concerned, including Lecavalier's agent, and Feaster, and their prospective new owner have been vocal that he'll be staying put, and they are already working on a LONG term extension.

[Hornz Over Halos]

sportsnet just mentioned a hossa for cheechoo trade possibility



That would be SJ's 2nd fleecing in the last 3 or 4 years.

[ShakesO]

i'm looking forward to some moves. boo inaction. booooo.

[dallasstars06]

Hossa to the Stars



make it happen!

[avsfan21]

Good luck with that one.

[ImessedwithTexas]

From all concerned, including Lecavalier's agent, and Feaster, and their prospective new owner have been vocal that he'll be staying put, and they are already working on a LONG term extension.

If anyone gets traded from the Lightning it'll be Brad Richards.

[Paul755]

That would be SJ's 2nd fleecing in the last 3 or 4 years.
And they'd still probably bow out in the 1st or 2nd round...again. I swear San Jose has gotta be one of the most overrated teams in the league.

[ComradeFlyer]

Modry traded to the Flyers

[VaN uLAr]

If anyone gets traded from the Lightning it'll be Brad Richards.

I agree completely.

[ComradeFlyer]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/20080219_Flyers_obtain_defenseman_Modry_from_Kings.html

Modry for an undisclosed draft pick.

[starscream's ghost]

so the kings firesale begins. who's next?

[WingNut 25]

So they gave up a draft pick for a D-man that doesn't touch anyone. Kings win that one.

[ComradeFlyer]

TSN is saying its a 3rd. suck.

[Xar]

TSN is reporting its a 3rd rounder

[Paul755]

so the kings firesale begins. who's next?
Brad Stuart would be my guess.

[Xar]

Stuart and Nagy should both be traded from LA before the deadline

[ComradeFlyer]

Brad Stuart would be my guess.

the same story about Modry says the Flyers had an interest in Stuart but Lombardi said he is not interested in trading him.

[ImessedwithTexas]

Advantage: Philly (on the Modry trade)

[ComradeFlyer]

Advantage: Philly (on the Modry trade)

i don't know if i'd call it an advantage... but the way i look at it... there are only 5 players posting a positive +/- on the Kings this year, and Modry is one of two players posting a plus with that many games played (and the only defenseman)... Rob Blake is a -13... Brad Stuart a -16.

jim vandemeer was a bag of wet crap over the weekend, hatcher is laid up with a bum knee still (i think), i think this was a reaction to not wanting to put another young inexperienced guy in.

as i said in the Flyers thread, we called up Claude Giroux as an emergency forward for tonights game, the Phantoms had to dress a defenseman as a forward the other day due to the injuries they have down there.

its certainly not dealing from strength, but i think we could have done alot worse.

[Paul755]

For what it's worth...eklund saying Forsberg could still be in play. And if you go by the way his agent phrased it and the fact it didn't come from Forsberg himself...I guess you never know.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=13444

[starscream's ghost]

i'm not gonna hold my breath on forsberg returning. if his foot isn't good by now, what is one week gonna do?

[Paul755]

i'm not gonna hold my breath on forsberg returning. if his foot isn't good by now, what is one week gonna do?
So very sad...and so very true...he just needs to hang them up and get it over with.

[Xar]

If I was any GM in the league, I would not even think about signing Forsberg after the recent comments about his ankle. If he is still unsure of how his ankle will hold up, and he wants a 2-3 year contract at 5 a season..........to much risk.

[ImessedwithTexas]

Eklund is an assbag and so is everyone that puts any credence in the things he says.

[avsfan21]

He had pretty much every signing during the start of the FA period before any other outlet did. He was right on just about everyone of them as well.

[Paul755]

Eklund is alot better than people give him credit for, and he's no worse than any of the other rumor sites (thefourthperiod.com, etc) But he can still be REALLY off. I mean when he misses...he misses BIG....see Ryan Smyth at last years deadline...

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

My question is, when has he ever hit?

[ScoobyDumb]

Garon isn't being moved, there is a report in todays paper that Lowe may have found a taker for Rolie. I think the paper said Tampa.

[Paul755]

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=480113&page=4

Apparently Forsberg has told a swedish paper there is still a chance he could play this year.

[starscream's ghost]

good lord peter. unless he's an av at the end of february, this drama is just ridiculous

[caesar2002]

not saying it's gonna happen...but it's a name that's out there, and like you guys have said, it's one million!!

[caesar2002]

sorry had to take who i was talking out of my last message....but like it was up there for a brief time, top guys are saying that a garon move isn't that far off!!

[CoolinLA]

Advantage: Philly (on the Modry trade)

Philly needs him and the Kings don't. Advantage for both teams.

[right between the eyes]

Is Lecavalier an Oiler yet:p

[ComradeFlyer]

Rumor: Holland is going to offer FA Darren McCarty a contract.

[freezerbox]

He was more than done in Calgary, I don't think he can over alot to any team (including my 10 year sons' team)

Rumor: Holland is going to offer FA Darren McCarty a contract.

[ComradeFlyer]

He was more than done in Calgary, I don't think he can over alot to any team (including my 10 year sons' team)

i agree complete, but for some reason the Wings don't.

Detroit GM Ken Holland told ESPN.com Tuesday the team is expected to offer erstwhile Grind Line member Darren McCarty a contract before Tuesday, the deadline for
players to sign with teams and be eligible to play in the playoffs.

Holland said McCarty isn't yet in NHL shape, but thinks McCarty may add some gritty depth to a Wings team that will enter the playoffs as one of the top Stanley Cup contenders.

McCarty won three Cups with Detroit, but drugs and alcohol have plagued the winger and he was out of the game at the start of the season. He launched a comeback several months ago and has most recently been playing with the Wings' AHL affiliate in Grand Rapids, Mich.

In other Red Wing news, all-world defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom will miss a week to 10 days with a slight MCL sprain. He was injured early in Monday's win over Colorado.

[freezerbox]

I'm honestly surprised, Holland is a good GM, but I wonder in what regard he can help. Maybe that minor minor minor pro team in Michigan he was playing in is a pure fight league and he can help in that capacity??

[ComradeFlyer]

Bruce MacLeod reports in his blog this afternoon that defenseman Nicklas Lidstrom will be out of the lineup for three weeks due to a sprained MCL. Lidstrom will also have a second concussion test done this week to confirm an earlier test that Lidstrom passed "with flying colors" after Monday's game in Denver.

In other injury news, MacLeod reports that Brian Rafalski has been ruled out of playing in either of the weekend games against Calgary and Vancouver, though Niklas Kronwall could return after missing the last three weeks with a strained clavicle.

If Kronwall can't return, however, the Red Wings will call up AHL All-Star defenseman Jonathon Ericsson. The last pick in the 2002 NHL Draft, "Mr. Irrelevant" is a 6'5" 220lb. two-way blueliner with a rocket of a shot and projects as a top-four defenseman accoring to Red Wings Central.

does this force their hand on a defenseman?

[starscream's ghost]

i think the wings are in a good enough spot in the standings that they should be ok without lidstrom. and even if they did get another top dman, how would they fit all their current guys in?

[right between the eyes]

Is this just posturing by Forsberg....perhaps wanting more money, or is the Swedish Mash unit hangin them up ?

[WingNut 25]

The Wings offering McCarty a contract is a good move because it costs them nothing in trade.

[DarthRaidersCuzz]

All I know is that after last night!!!! Lundqvist needs a dependable back up!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!
I'm Embarrased!:o


Toddy:D

[freezerbox]

Next year in my Hockey draft I'll have to pick good players from teams I don't like, Lidstrom is part of my team (of 18) & I think about 14 have seen injury time, crazy.

I agree with Starscream, I don't think they deal for a D-Man, they'll weather the storm and be fine.

[Paul755]

Really...McCarty...I agree that it's basically a no-risk proposal...but why waste a roster spot on a washed up guy. The closest thing I can think of to this is Claude Lemieux playing out his remaining days for Dallas.

and 3 Weeks on Lidstrom...damn..I figured a couple days...a week tops. But Three weeks...wow.

[freezerbox]

Beside the way he got up, I thought it looked to be minor as well. The slide in Detroit may end up continuing, I never have thought too highly of Osgood and this doesn't fair well for him.

Really...McCarty...I agree that it's basically a no-risk proposal...but why waste a roster spot on a washed up guy. The closest thing I can think of to this is Claude Lemieux playing out his remaining days for Dallas.

and 3 Weeks on Lidstrom...damn..I figured a couple days...a week tops. But Three weeks...wow.

[Xar]

BLOCKBUSTER DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calgary Flames trade a 3rd Round pick in 2009 to Flyer for Jim Vandameer!!!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230140&hubname=

:D :D :D

btw, im joking about the blockbuster.

[Paul755]

"It's still open a crack. We'll all have a definite answer in a week. Whether that means anything or not, I don't know." (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230123&hubname=nhl)

[ComradeFlyer]

BLOCKBUSTER DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Calgary Flames trade a 3rd Round pick in 2009 to Flyer for Jim Vandameer!!!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230140&hubname=

:D :D :D

btw, im joking about the blockbuster.

so basically... we traded Vandemeer who has looked like a wet bag of dump for Jaroslav Modry... i love it.

[madcracker]

This is what TSN has to say about Vandermeer:

Assets:
Displays a terrific combination of physical presence and potential production. Has the tools to become a solid all-around defenseman. Is as tough as nails.

Flaws:
Must make the necessary adjustments in the 'new' NHL so as to take the next step in his development. Needs to step up his offensive play.

Career potential:
Top four defenseman

And he turns 28 tomorrow.

[ComradeFlyer]

This is what TSN has to say about Vandermeer:

Assets:
Displays a terrific combination of physical presence and potential production. Has the tools to become a solid all-around defenseman. Is as tough as nails.

Flaws:
Must make the necessary adjustments in the 'new' NHL so as to take the next step in his development. Needs to step up his offensive play.

Career potential:
Top four defenseman

And he turns 28 tomorrow.

which means he needs to learn how to skate and not committing an obstructing penalty everytime someone else come nears him.

check any Flyers message board online and you'd think you stumbled into the Ewok village at the end of Return of the Jedi.... its like a party. Have fun with him... he is absolutely awful.

[ComradeFlyer]

check any Flyers message board online and you'd think you stumbled into the Ewok village at the end of Return of the Jedi.... its like a party. Have fun with him... he is absolutely awful.

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=481281

[Xar]

so basically... we traded Vandemeer who has looked like a wet bag of dump for Jaroslav Modry... i love it.

And you traded a 3rd rounder this year for a 3rd rounder next year :D

[Xar]

Simon Gagne - Out for Season!!!!!!!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230144&hubname=

[ComradeFlyer]

Simon Gagne - Out for Season!!!!!!!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230144&hubname=

good. I advocated this when he got his last concussion.

[madcracker]

There's no way Vandermeer makes enough of an impact either positively or negatively to warrant that sort of reaction. Especially since Modry is the alternative. I hope he helps the Flames at least. I like to see the Canadian teams do well.

[ImessedwithTexas]

so basically... we traded Vandemeer who has looked like a wet bag of dump for Jaroslav Modry... i love it.

So far the Flyers are winning the trade game for '08.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

where is all the action at ? We haven't seen much at all compared to last yr

[ComradeFlyer]

There's no way Vandermeer makes enough of an impact either positively or negatively to warrant that sort of reaction. Especially since Modry is the alternative. I hope he helps the Flames at least. I like to see the Canadian teams do well.

trust me... if you've been watching the Flyers lately Vandy sticks out like a sore thumb... as someone on another message board said, even if Modry sucks, "sucks" is far and away better than what Vandermeer was, which can't even be defined by any adjective yet created."

[Paul755]

Simon Gagne - Out for Season!!!!!!!!!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230144&hubname=
Curse of the Sports Picks strikes again...

[Paul755]

Brad Richards on the block...7.8 million would be a tough pill to swallow though...

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn_talent/columnists/bob_mckenzie/

[Eazy-D66]

I'd love to see him go to Columbus....or as I like to call it "Purgatory". I hate Brad Richards in the sense that he's very overpaid and overrated. A "heart and soul" type player like him should not be making superstar money.

[BIg_ALEX]

lmao eklund outdoes himself again:

" PJ Stock on Team990 just reported Hossa for Kessel, Schaeffer, and a #1 amd #2 rumour as a possibility, and I checked into it and THERE ARE HUGE HUGE LEGS to this...also there is a possible 5 year extenson for Hossa, I am told that these names are close but not exact. I do believe that Kessel could be involved. I DO NOT believe that Boston has yet to discuss an extension with Hossa.

UPDATED: PJ just went on the air and said he made the rumour up...that funny, funny man..but what is fascinating here is that PJ put this out, I contacted a source who confirmed that Kessel was indeed likely involved and the fact that PJ reported this allowed me to go on the record with this. Yesterday I was only able to say that I felt Boston was leading the way... Funny stuff. Anyway, I am going on with PJ now to discuss this on team990

As I reported yesterday, I continued to hear that Montreal was out of it and that Boston was leading the way.

I am also told however that NO deal will be made today, and that Hossa will be in the line-up for the Thrashers."

This guy's a joke, and that has HUGE HUGE LEGS

[PrimeBane]

While I agree that Eklund is a huge joke when it comes to rumors, he at least makes for good entertainment and discussion. :)

[PrimeBane]

As talented as Richards is, I've heard he's not the most personable guy in the room... but perhaps he would thrive where he's the true #1 guy.

[VaN uLAr]

lmao eklund outdoes himself again:

" PJ Stock on Team990 just reported Hossa for Kessel, Schaeffer, and a #1 amd #2 rumour as a possibility, and I checked into it and THERE ARE HUGE HUGE LEGS to this...also there is a possible 5 year extenson for Hossa, I am told that these names are close but not exact. I do believe that Kessel could be involved. I DO NOT believe that Boston has yet to discuss an extension with Hossa.

UPDATED: PJ just went on the air and said he made the rumour up...that funny, funny man..but what is fascinating here is that PJ put this out, I contacted a source who confirmed that Kessel was indeed likely involved and the fact that PJ reported this allowed me to go on the record with this. Yesterday I was only able to say that I felt Boston was leading the way... Funny stuff. Anyway, I am going on with PJ now to discuss this on team990

As I reported yesterday, I continued to hear that Montreal was out of it and that Boston was leading the way.

I am also told however that NO deal will be made today, and that Hossa will be in the line-up for the Thrashers."

This guy's a joke, and that has HUGE HUGE LEGS

Team990 has been such a fun show to listen to today ! What is it with fans in Montreal anyways ?

Thsi morning, a guy called in & said his "best man" missed his plane in Atlanta & ran into Hossa. They spoke for about 10 minutes, and Hossa told him he & Recchi are headed to Montreal, where they will announce the trade on Bob Gainey Retirement Night (Saturday). The story sounded so stupid, but people kept calling in & they even dispatched a reporter to go to the airport to see if he could spot Hossa & Recchi getting off a flight from Atlanta !

I missed the PJ & Eklund call, but I know for a fact PJ can't stand Ek, and I wouldn't put it pass him to make up a rumour to send Eklund running around, chasing his tail.

[VaN uLAr]

As talented as Richards is, I've heard he's not the most personable guy in the room... but perhaps he would thrive where he's the true #1 guy.

It's weird. I've always heard he was the true leader in the dressing room. I think it's funny how we really don't know much about Richards & what he can truly bring to a hockey team, when you think of it.

[Paul755]

I think it's funny how we really don't know much about Richards & what he can truly bring to a hockey team, when you think of it.
Well when your stuck in Tampa Bay....

[damonsters]

penguins and blackhawks could make a deal involving tuomo ruutu and havlat for staal...if healthy havlat could be a goal machine on a line with crosby

[PrimeBane]

It's weird. I've always heard he was the true leader in the dressing room. I think it's funny how we really don't know much about Richards & what he can truly bring to a hockey team, when you think of it.

I suppose that's pitfall (in terms of rumors) of the guy playing in a market like TB. The team coverage and rumors just aren't there.

[PrimeBane]

Hossa deal on hold

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=230189

[VaN uLAr]

Hossa deal on hold

http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/mckenzie/?id=230189

FOR THE LAZY:

The Marian Hossa Sweepstakes are on hold – for now.

Amid published reports out of Montreal, that the Canadiens have ordered equipment for Hossa in the event they secure his rights, and out of Ottawa, where the Senators are apparently in a holding pattern on Hossa, the focus in Atlanta today is strictly on the Thrashers' game tonight against Carolina.

Sources say Atlanta GM-head coach Don Waddell is in full coach mode today and won't be working the phones or advancing any trade talk for the talented winger who is likely to be dealt before Tuesday's NHL trade deadline.

But sources also told TSN that before Waddell resumes trade talk on Hossa, he wants to take one final stab at seeing if he can sign the winger to a contract extension. That effort, the source said, would likely take place on Friday. If it's unsuccessful, and Hossa himself has been quoted as saying it's a longshot he would re-sign in Atlanta before July 1, then Waddell will attempt to close a deal for Hossa this weekend.

Teams reportedly interested in Hossa include Montreal, Ottawa, New Jersey, Detroit and San Jose, amongst others.

[VaN uLAr]

It's also interesting to note that Team990 had the equipement guy from Mission or whatever & he said it's common practice to have gloves & other equipement ready for multiple teams for high-profile guys like Hossa. He went on to say that since Hossa is very specific about his gloves, that they made gloves for him in SEVERAL different colors, not just Habs colors. He confirmed he knows just as much as everyone else, and that doing this is common practice for several equipement manuactures when it comes to high-profile players.

[VaN uLAr]

I suppose that's pitfall (in terms of rumors) of the guy playing in a market like TB. The team coverage and rumors just aren't there.

Yes, but I also mean on the ice. I find he's always in the shadow of Vinny & St-Louis. Is Richards a #1 line guy ? Is he a franchise player ? Or is he just what he is in TB, a solid, unassuming #2 ?

[VaN uLAr]

The latest rumour to go around on Ottawa radio is Fedorov to the Sens. I think they got this from Eklund though, so likely not happening. LOL !

[bizzwizz]

Screw Fedorov....we don't want him in Ottawa.....give us our Hossa back!!! :D

[ComradeFlyer]

The Philadelphia Flyers claimed Patrick Thoresen off waivers from the Edmonton Oilers on Friday. (http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230295&hubname=nhl)

[right between the eyes]

Patrick is a great skater, physical,good puckhandler and a good shot.........but unfortunatly he never brings them all on the same night.

[ComradeFlyer]

Patrick is a great skater, physical,good puckhandler and a good shot.........but unfortunatly he never brings them all on the same night.

haha. i can tell that is an honest analysis.

[ComradeFlyer]

boy... this kid is ticked that he got waived.

His interview with a Norwegian website...

http://www.nettavisen.no/sport/ishoc...cle1621936.ece

Right now I'm irritated and frustrated. I feel that Edmonton has given up on me. It's over here now since they they're sacrificing me like this.

There was a lot of talk, but it was all bull****. They pissed on me. I played well. The explanation was that others needed match practice.

-Do you feel you're good enough for Edmonton?
-I'm not in doubt for half a second.

-How do you then explain that they waived you?
-The NHL is all politics. Everything is about the highly drafted players. I'm not drafted, and do not have a high profile.

We'll have to see if anyone else wants me. My agent is making calls. I don't know what will happen.

-What do you think the chances are that someone will claim you in the next 2 hours?
-20 per cent.

[PrimeBane]

Rolson preparing to be moved
http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/sports/oilers/story.html?id=3a7b2004-e928-4d91-8892-92970cfbfcb5&k=21016

[VaN uLAr]

Hearing Richards to Vancouver now ...

[starscream's ghost]

source? problem with the nucks is they'd have to clear a lot of space

[PrimeBane]

Any idea on the names going the other way?

[Mats_44]

Ugh, Fletcher had another meeting with Sundin today so that definitely means that the Leafs would like to trade him. It's the right thing to do but it's so hard for me to accept. I just love Mats so much and selfishly don't want him to go. But I want the Leafs to get better too so it's a real Catch 22 for me.

Hopefully he signs back with us next year.

Rumour is that Fletcher met with Sundin to ask Mats to compile a list of all the teams that he might be willing to go to.

[Mats_44]

Forgot to mention that Fletcher also met with McCabe today, likely to ask him the same question of where he'd be willing to go.

[avsfan21]

Mats should do something like Forsberg did. Tell them he will accept a trade if it benefits the team. Granted Forsberg didnt have a chance to come back and sign with Philly, but Sundin could so easily.

[cflames89]

source? problem with the nucks is they'd have to clear a lot of space

I just saw it on TSN.ca.

The Nucks are in huge cap trouble, they would have to move a roster player to do anything.

[Mats_44]

I truly believe that Mats has no desire to win a Cup with any other team, certainly not via the rental player way. He is such a person of honour and merit that he just doesn't see any value in it and I totally respect him for that. But hopefully he sees that if the Leafs are to improve they need to restock and he might be able to garner the most to do that.

I'm still quite sure the Leafs could get that Edmonton first rounder from Anaheim which would be ideal.

[avsfan21]

I dont blame him for not wanting to win a cup for a team other than the Leafs, but still if it will help build the team like it did with Philly, then why not do it. Then go back after the season is over.

[Paul755]

The Nucks are in huge cap trouble, they would have to move a roster player to do anything.
They might be ok for the rest of this season, but that 7.8 million hit is gonna hit hard next season.

Still the biggest problem with the current CBA is the restriction on players/teams being able to restructure deals.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

I truly believe that Mats has no desire to win a Cup with any other team

...or the desire to win a cup at all. I understand loving and wanting to play for a team but the ultimate goal is to win the Stanley Cup and if you have no desire to do it through a realistic method (Win with another team) then you probably are in the wrong profession.

Why would anyone want to leave Toronto? It's a very complacent city and a very complacent fan base for the most part and the media are pretty much fans of the team. As a city, Toronto is very easy on players, they usually go hard after the executives and ownership groups though so if I was Mats or McCabe or Tucker or Kubina or Kaberle I wouldn't want to leave either.

I'm still quite sure the Leafs could get that Edmonton first rounder from Anaheim which would be ideal.

I heard that it's either Bobby Ryan or the pick itself, not a combination of the two but I don't see Sundin waiving his NTC which will set the team back even further.

[JerseyDevil]

Why would anyone want to leave Toronto?

Because they probably want to win a Stanley Cup! :p

[avsfan21]

Wouldnt that make Don Cherry happy though? God forbid a European is the captain of a Canadian team.

[VaN uLAr]

I truly believe that Mats has no desire to win a Cup with any other team.

Right there. That's the statement. That's the reason I sitll don't believe he'll go. We're hearing Tucker turned down leaving when they had a trade in place, I think Sundin will do the same.

I know they asked him for a list of teams. I'm still not sure if Sundin gave them one. If he did, then that would convince me he's willing to leave, but I haven't heard that he's actually done so.

Also, there's always the possibility that his list only has 2 or 3 teams on it, and the Leafs won't find a deal to be made with those teams.... you never know.

I still think he is in a Leafs uniform on Wednesday. I know I'm in denial. :o

[VaN uLAr]

source? problem with the nucks is they'd have to clear a lot of space

Nothing on what they would do to clear up Cap space or who's goign the other way.

Listening to Team990 out of Montreal.

[WingNut 25]

I really don't understand Sundin not wanting to leave. Clearly winning the Cup is not important to him because he has to know at this point it won't happen in TO in his career.

[starscream's ghost]

maybe he's just given up, or maybe he's playing mind games

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

No, he's just like every other Leaf that has ever played here over the last 35-40 years, he's settled down in a very nice environment where he's a god and the fans don't expect much from him so he's gotten complacent. I always get a nice laugh when people say that Toronto is a tough hockey city to play in, yeah, tough for the GMs and owners, not the players, they get a free ride and are worshiped.

[avsfan21]

Unless you are a Defensemen or Brian McCabe.

[ComradeFlyer]

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080223_Flyers_losing_streak_frustrates_ex-captains.html

Loose pucks. Steve Downie (concussion) practiced for the first time since last Saturday. He passed his baseline test but will not play tonight against Florida. . . . Derian Hatcher (right-knee inflammation) said he expects to return this season. He reported significant improvement in his knee and his ability to pivot without pain. . . . The Flyers remain in the hunt for 23-year-old Nashville defenseman Ryan Suter, sources say. The Predators have been scouting the Flyers for two weeks, and Suter is drawing attention. . . . The Flyers still would like a crack at Tampa's Dan Boyle, who will be unrestricted this summer, but forget about Lightning forward Brad Richards.

[ComradeFlyer]

http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2008/02/23/4870288-sun.html

Isn't NHL parity a blast?

The league's general managers might say otherwise for the next three days.

There are bound to be a few sleepless nights before the trade doors slam shut Tuesday. No less than 25 teams, through Thursday's games, were within seven points of a playoff berth as the league chugged into the final quarter of the season. Only the Toronto Maple Leafs and Tampa Bay Lightning in the Eastern Conference and the Chicago Blackhawks, Edmonton Oilers and Los Angeles Kings had not bothered picking up their invitations to the race to the post-season party.

No wonder it has been difficult for some clubs to try to decide whether they're going to send up the white flag or make a deal or two in a final push for a spot.

"As (Anaheim Ducks GM) Brian Burke aptly said, there's more mistakes made at this time than any other time of the year," San Jose Sharks GM Doug Wilson said. "There's a lot of truth to that. Emotion runs the day. People look back and say, 'What was I thinking?' "

There's no question that fans and media, for the most part, enjoy the speculation, even though many of the rumours turn out to be nothing more than crazy whispers. Still, no less than 25 trades went down on deadline day a year ago. But of all of those swaps, one could argue that only two -- the Philadelphia Flyers' acquisition of goalie Martin Biron from the Buffalo Sabres and the St. Louis' Blues' acquisition of forward Brad Boyes from the Boston Bruins -- have had major dividends this season. None of the teams who made it to the final four in the spring of 2007 -- Anaheim, the Ottawa Senators, Detroit Red Wings and Buffalo Sabres -- got players who made a big impact in the playoffs.

TRADE WINDS

The Lightning could be getting closer to signing defenceman Dan Boyle to a deal for at least four years at $6.5 million to $7 million US a season. Trading Brad Richards might have a better chance of happening in the summer when the club has a better shot at landing a No. 1 goalie ... One reason why the Flyers don't mind the idea of trading Jeff Carter, aside from the fact he will be a restricted free agent this summer, is he is a little too carefree on the ice for the team's liking. GM Paul Holmgren turned down an even-up swap from the Boston Bruins for Phil Kessel, but Carter would have been a Maple Leaf had Tomas Kaberle waived his no-trade clause ... The Atlanta Thrashers are waiting to see what the Leafs do with Mats Sundin before going ahead on a Marian Hossa trade ... Many think Sergei Fedorov will wind up with one of Ottawa or Detroit ... Two days ago, one rumour had the Blues sending defenceman Jay McKee to the Pittsburgh Penguins. When a reporter, who was on an on-line chat at the time, pointed it out to Blues president John Davidson, who was standing nearby, Davidson said: "Write in your answer: 'There's no truth to the rumour of McKee going to Pittsburgh.' "

[madcracker]

If I'm interested in a defenseman from Nashville, it would be Shae Weber, and not Ryan Suter.

[Mats_44]

If I'm interested in a defenseman from Nashville, it would be Shae Weber, and not Ryan Suter.

Of course but it's unrealistic to think that Nashville would let go of Weber.

[gailey5]

Just for the record guys, Nashville will not trade Weber. Especially, not in any deal for a rental player.

On a side note... there's some rumors floating out there that Nashville wants Prospal. I for one would love this move! I have my fingers crossed big-time on this one! :eek:

[Leafsfan1967]

Mats should do something like Forsberg did. Tell them he will accept a trade if it benefits the team. Granted Forsberg didnt have a chance to come back and sign with Philly, but Sundin could so easily.

The problem with that scenario is that any team who gives up a bunch to acquire Sundin, would only likely do so if he were to sign a long term deal with his new team. That would mean he would not be able to come back to Toronto next year. Mats does not want to leave Toronto, plain, and simple, and we shaould all respect that. He earned the right to have his no-trade clause. Not sure of the exact details of his original contract negotiations, but many players give up lots of money in negotiations money in order to have a no-movement, no trade clause in their deal.

Mats Sundin owes you, and me nothing. Mats Sundin owes the City of Toronto, and their fans nothing. Mats Sundin owes the Toronto Maple Leafs organization nothing. It makes me shake my head why the people of this great city feels that he should wave his no-trade clause, and go somewhere else in order to save the Maple Leafs organization. Why the hell should he? He wants to stay/play, and be here. We need to respect that. It's not his fault that the Leafs organization brought in the personnel they have now. It's not his fault they drafted poorly for how many years now? It's not up to him to save the Toronto Maple Leafs. Why the hell should he? If he decides to go, then I wish him the best. he's been my favorite player for so many years, and I will truly miss him if he does. Nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to blame him for not leaving. Anyone who feels he should to save the franchise is a blatent idiot. Would his leaving help. Yes, but he shouldn't feel obligated to do so. He has earned the right to stay, if he wants to. Blame the idiot management for giving him, and the other 4 guys on this team no-trade clauses in their contracts. Don't blame Sundin.

[VaN uLAr]

The problem with that scenario is that any team who gives up a bunch to acquire Sundin, would only likely do so if he were to sign a long term deal with his new team. That would mean he would not be able to come back to Toronto next year. Mats does not want to leave Toronto, plain, and simple, and we shaould all respect that. He earned the right to have his no-trade clause. Not sure of the exact details of his original contract negotiations, but many players give up lots of money in negotiations money in order to have a no-movement, no trade clause in their deal.

Mats Sundin owes you, and me nothing. Mats Sundin owes the City of Toronto, and their fans nothing. Mats Sundin owes the Toronto Maple Leafs organization nothing. It makes me shake my head why the people of this great city feels that he should wave his no-trade clause, and go somewhere else in order to save the Maple Leafs organization. Why the hell should he? He wants to stay/play, and be here. We need to respect that. It's not his fault that the Leafs organization brought in the personnel they have now. It's not his fault they drafted poorly for how many years now? It's not up to him to save the Toronto Maple Leafs. Why the hell should he? If he decides to go, then I wish him the best. he's been my favorite player for so many years, and I will truly miss him if he does. Nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to blame him for not leaving. Anyone who feels he should to save the franchise is a blatent idiot. Would his leaving help. Yes, but he shouldn't feel obligated to do so. He has earned the right to stay, if he wants to. Blame the idiot management for giving him, and the other 4 guys on this team no-trade clauses in their contracts. Don't blame Sundin.

I've said all along I can't imagine him leaving & still believe he's not leaving. He's got the NTC for a reason ! Great post, I agree with you. I hope if Mats truly decides to stay, the fans will understand & not go crazy over the decision.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

TROY!!!

So I didn't quite understand you, what does Sundin owe Toronto?? :p


:D

Posse

[Leafsfan1967]

I've said all along I can't imagine him leaving & still believe he's not leaving. He's got the NTC for a reason ! Great post, I agree with you. I hope if Mats truly decides to stay, the fans will understand & not go crazy over the decision.


You know that the majority of Leaf fans are idiots, and will be pissed at him. That is a given. At least the few Leaf fans we have on the board here are reasonable. ;) Now back on topic. We need to trade Pavel Kubina, Andrew Raycroft, and Bryan McCabe to Tampa for Vinny Lecavalier, Marty St. Louis, and Dan Boyle. In case you think I've been sniffing glue, I was just being funny, and trying to act like the typical Leaf fan that calls into the Fan590 with their version of save the Leafs. LOL!!! :p

[Leafsfan1967]

TROY!!!

So I didn't quite understand you, what does Sundin owe Toronto?? :p


:D

Posse

That's right ,brother, you don't quite understand! It's not your fault, you just weren't a good learner is all. :rolleyes: :p :D

[Dirty Mo Posse]

You know that the majority of Leaf fans are idiots,

You don't say??? :rolleyes::rolleyes:


At least the few Leaf fans we have on the board here are reasonable.:p

I haven't come across any here yet!! :p:p ;)

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

That's right ,brother,

What do you think your Hulk Hoagn now???

:D

Posse

[Leafsfan1967]

Somebody need to contact Lou Lamarello to see if they want Clemmensen back. We'll take Brodeur in return. Heck we'll even throw in Hal Gill. Bahahahahaha! :D Does I sound like a typical Leaf fan yet? Stay tuned, there may be more ideas. Bahahaha! :p

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Somebody need to contact Lou Lamarello to see if they want Clemmensen back. We'll take Brodeur in return. Heck we'll even throw in Hal Gill. Bahahahahaha! :D Does I sound like a typical Leaf fan yet? Stay tuned, there may be more ideas. Bahahaha! :p

By the way I DON'T LIKE YOUR NEW AVATAR!!!! :mad::mad::mad:

:D

Posse

[right between the eyes]

Mats Sundin....the finest Swede to ever play in the NHL.

Followed by Salming and the Swedish Mash Unit Forsberg.

[penatic]

I think sundin is going to walk away at the end of the year and leave toronto high and dry, they should have started trying to move sundin in december if they were going to move him at all

[WingNut 25]

Lidstrom = finest Swede to ever play in the NHL.

[right between the eyes]

After 75 hrs of research......Dayum....sorry.:o

[maxxlouie]

The problem with that scenario is that any team who gives up a bunch to acquire Sundin, would only likely do so if he were to sign a long term deal with his new team. That would mean he would not be able to come back to Toronto next year. Mats does not want to leave Toronto, plain, and simple, and we shaould all respect that. He earned the right to have his no-trade clause. Not sure of the exact details of his original contract negotiations, but many players give up lots of money in negotiations money in order to have a no-movement, no trade clause in their deal.

Mats Sundin owes you, and me nothing. Mats Sundin owes the City of Toronto, and their fans nothing. Mats Sundin owes the Toronto Maple Leafs organization nothing. It makes me shake my head why the people of this great city feels that he should wave his no-trade clause, and go somewhere else in order to save the Maple Leafs organization. Why the hell should he? He wants to stay/play, and be here. We need to respect that. It's not his fault that the Leafs organization brought in the personnel they have now. It's not his fault they drafted poorly for how many years now? It's not up to him to save the Toronto Maple Leafs. Why the hell should he? If he decides to go, then I wish him the best. he's been my favorite player for so many years, and I will truly miss him if he does. Nobody, and I mean nobody has the right to blame him for not leaving. Anyone who feels he should to save the franchise is a blatent idiot. Would his leaving help. Yes, but he shouldn't feel obligated to do so. He has earned the right to stay, if he wants to. Blame the idiot management for giving him, and the other 4 guys on this team no-trade clauses in their contracts. Don't blame Sundin.

I really don't think that anyone with an ounce of grey matter would actually blame Sundin. However, Mats has gone on record as saying that he would do whatever is necessary to help the team improve. Well, what if that team improvement hinges upon his waiving of his NTC? Also, he wants a long term deal if he is to be traded. Why then would he refuse the 2 year deal that Toronto had on the table last year to only sign a one year? To me, something just doesn't add up there. Maybe he really intends to retire after this year. If that is the case he should talk to the powers that be in the Leaf organization and let them know that, just so there is no "hard feelings". Regardless, there are still going to be some Leaf fans that will inevitably blame Mats for their shortcomings in the future. Guaranteed.

[ImessedwithTexas]

Mats Sundin confirmed to reporters this weekend that Toronto has asked him to waive his no-trade clause. The Leafs captain still says he wants to stay.

[johnnyknoxsvill]

I hope some deals happen tomorrow!

[VaN uLAr]

Should see something tomorrow, the window is almost closed now !

For those few who somehow still hang on to the notion that Ek is more than a hack, this was from his Blog earlier today. Another classic, he's got great sources, that Ek !:D:

Two sources have told me that Mats has AGREED to waive his NTC amd McCabe is expected to as well.

[PhilM]

^ good ol eklund, guess everything and you'll get something right, eventually...


Sundin not going anywhere, all outlets confirm that he has denied request to waive his no movement clause.

Suck it up leafs fans, a great player who actually wants to play in toronto and everyone is pissed off, oh the irony.

[JerseyDevil]

Come on! The best entertainment in the hockey world has to be Eklund hands down!

[maxxlouie]

Two sources have told me that Mats has AGREED to waive his NTC

Well, Eklund does have a 50/50 shot on this one.

[VaN uLAr]

Well, Eklund does have a 50/50 shot on this one.

Ek would even get the 99% stuff wrong ! :D;)

[ShakesO]

....30 hours or so to go? *crickets*

[Voodoo Chylde]

Should see something tomorrow, the window is almost closed now !

For those few who somehow still hang on to the notion that Ek is more than a hack, this was from his Blog earlier today. Another classic, he's got great sources, that Ek !:D:

Two sources have told me that Mats has AGREED to waive his NTC amd McCabe is expected to as well.

Jesus! Is this guy EVER right!?!

[VaN uLAr]

Jesus! Is this guy EVER right!?!

No (e5)

[PrimeBane]

However, Mats has gone on record as saying that he would do whatever is necessary to help the team improve. Well, what if that team improvement hinges upon his waiving of his NTC?

That's what puzzles me the most about this situation? Why not waive the NTC, go take a shot a cup (newsflash Mats, no one remembers that you weren't part of the team all year long, just that your name is on the cup), allow the Leafs to get some good young talent and then come back next year if you so choose?

As an outsider (and I'm not the only one out west, Mats it getting pounded on the radio waves) this looks like a selfish, petty move by an otherwise pretty classy guy.

[Mats_44]

It's really scary how short-sighted some people can be...............

[freezowave1978]

I think GM's may be wising up to the fact that play-off rentals are usually bad business. Why give up the young talent to get aging veterans, who may never gel with your team, just to see them jump ship after the playoffs.

Ask Detroit how well Bert worked out, or Nashville about Forsberg.

[ShakesO]

That's what puzzles me the most about this situation? Why not waive the NTC, go take a shot a cup (newsflash Mats, no one remembers that you weren't part of the team all year long, just that your name is on the cup), allow the Leafs to get some good young talent and then come back next year if you so choose?

As an outsider (and I'm not the only one out west, Mats it getting pounded on the radio waves) this looks like a selfish, petty move by an otherwise pretty classy guy.


Wasn't Ryan Smyth hung last year for not sticking with the Oilers? Now Sundin says "I want to stay" and he's a bad guy too.

This is horribly boring. I hope there is some movement this evening.

[Mats_44]

That's what puzzles me the most about this situation? Why not waive the NTC, go take a shot a cup (newsflash Mats, no one remembers that you weren't part of the team all year long, just that your name is on the cup), allow the Leafs to get some good young talent and then come back next year if you so choose?

As an outsider (and I'm not the only one out west, Mats it getting pounded on the radio waves) this looks like a selfish, petty move by an otherwise pretty classy guy.

Do you think the reason that Mats doesn't want a Cup via the rental player route is because he is worried about what other people will think about it? I guarantee you he doesn't give a crap about what other people think. What's important to him is his own personal feelings and what he feels is right in his own head. In his own head, winning the Cup as a rental player has no merit, value or sense of accomplishment. Why can't people respect and understand that??

I totally agree with you, why not accept the trade so the team can get better and then just come back next season to an improved squad? It's a very good question. But did it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe in Sundin's head he is giving some serious thought to this being his last season and retiring? If that is the case, and he wants to retire as the Maple Leafs captain, it wouldn't make much sense to leave the team as part of a rental player trade without getting the proper goodbye farewell game that he so very much deserves. Maybe that is being a bit selfish, but he has earned the honour to leave the Leafs on his terms.

So if perhaps Sundin is thinking about retiring this year, then it makes perfect sense that he wants to end his Leafs career at the end of the season when he can get a proper goodbye and proper closure from the fans.

It's a real shame that the people in Western Canada can't think outside the box and consider that they don't have all the facts at hand and can't possibly have a crystal ball to see what's inside Sundin's head and know what his thoughts are about the future.

[Mats_44]

I think GM's may be wising up to the fact that play-off rentals are usually bad business. Why give up the young talent to get aging veterans, who may never gel with your team, just to see them jump ship after the playoffs.

Ask Detroit how well Bert worked out, or Nashville about Forsberg.

It's hit and miss. Ask Jim Rutherford whether or not he was happy about picking up Doug Weight and Mark Recchi for Carolina's Stanley Cup run?

You win some you lose some, it's always a gamble that may or may not work out.

[PrimeBane]

Do you really believe (or do you think Sundin believes) people would think less of him for trying to win a cup? Did people think less of Ray Bourque? Brian Leetch? Doug Weight? Mark Recchi? I imagine that shiny Cup ring made them forget pretty damn fast...

So he finishes his career a Leaf... history remembers him as just another good player on a team that hasn't won a cup in 41 years and counting. A great player that wasn't quite great enough to have his name on the Stanley Cup...

This league isn't about player loyalty anymore (unless the $$$ is high enough). Players are nothing more than expendable assets. It's not the name on the back of the jersey, but logo on the front.

With this move, Sundin has sunk his beloved Leafs for at least another 2-3 years. And Sundin would have been remembered as a Leaf no matter where he went.

But hey, it doesn't hurt my feelings to see the Leafs fall further and further into the abyss with no signs of digging themselves out anytime soon. :)

And forgive me if I don't give a crap for what Sundin wants, no matter what the reasons are.

[freezowave1978]

It's hit and miss. Ask Jim Rutherford whether or not he was happy about picking up Doug Weight and Mark Recchi for Carolina's Stanley Cup run?

You win some you lose some, it's always a gamble that may or may not work out.

Quite true, but it seems with every year the prices go up.

For example Hossa is on the market, but it seems teams are standoffish towards the Thrashers' demands. Without him resigning the cost is just way too much, especially for a contender, who risks giving up components who fit within the scheme, for a three month rental. Trading time is fun, and there always some surprises, but this year just has a different feel to it. Maybe I'm just reading it wrong though.

[Mats_44]

Do you really believe (or do you think Sundin believes) people would think less of him for trying to win a cup? Did people think less of Ray Bourque? Brian Leetch? Doug Weight? Mark Recchi? I imagine that shiny Cup ring made them forget pretty damn fast...

So he finishes his career a Leaf... history remembers him as just another good player on a team that hasn't won a cup in 41 years and counting. A great player that wasn't quite great enough to have his name on the Stanley Cup...

This league isn't about player loyalty anymore (unless the $$$ is high enough). Players are nothing more than expendable assets. It's not the name on the back of the jersey, but logo on the front.

With this move, Sundin has sunk his beloved Leafs for at least another 2-3 years. And Sundin would have been remembered as a Leaf no matter where he went.

But hey, it doesn't hurt my feelings to see the Leafs fall further and further into the abyss with no signs of digging themselves out anytime soon. :)

And forgive me if I don't give a crap for what Sundin wants, no matter what the reasons are.

Where is that brick wall again when you need one???

[PrimeBane]

Maybe you can get one built in your new home? ;)

[Mats_44]

Maybe you can get one built in your new home? ;)

LOL! That's the one saving grace about our rocky relationship here on these boards. At least at the end of the day you've got a great sense of humour! :p :D

[netwolf68]

I don't understand how Sundin expecting the club to honor his contract makes him a bad guy. They didn't *have* to give him a NTC. I've heard speculation that the PA may seek to have the CBA tweaked so that GMs cannot ask guys to waive their NTCs.

I don't follow the Leafs, but is there any concern that the all the drama over Sundin's decision could sour him on Toronto to the point he chooses to go elsewhere this summer? If that happened, could Sundin do a 180 and become the most hated player in league as far as Leaf fans go?

I also heard that of the Leafs with a NTC, McCabe is the only one willing to waive it, but only for certain teams. IIRC, his wife is from Long Island, so I'm guessing the Isles are on the list, possibly the Rangers and Devils as well.

[cflames89]

I don't understand how Sundin expecting the club to honor his contract makes him a bad guy. They didn't *have* to give him a NTC. I've heard speculation that the PA may seek to have the CBA tweaked so that GMs cannot ask guys to waive their NTCs.

They would have to give back years before unrestricted free agency, or scrap salary arbitration before that would happen.

[Mats_44]

I don't follow the Leafs, but is there any concern that the all the drama over Sundin's decision could sour him on Toronto to the point he chooses to go elsewhere this summer? If that happened, could Sundin do a 180 and become the most hated player in league as far as Leaf fans go?

I don't think Sundin should feel soured about the situation. Just as the Leafs have to respect Sundin's personal wishes, Sundin too must respect what the Leafs are trying to do and I'm sure Cliff explained to Sundin that it was nothing personal and that Fletcher had very few other viable trade options to try and improve the team so he had no choice but to turn to Sundin and find out if there was any chance of it happening. Sundin has to understand that it's a business as well and he shouldn't be soured at all by the request to be traded.

I'm quite sure that Sundin is feeling very torn about the decision he had to make because I think for sure he understands and agrees with what it is the Leafs are trying to do but at the end of the day he just couldn't bring himself personally to do it, his head wasn't in the right place. I keep saying it but I really think it's true, Sundin is a "tragic hero" (literary term) in this entire situation.

The reality that people keep failing to consider is that it may very well be that in Sundin's head this was to be his last season of hockey anyways so all of this is a moot point and his "last dying wish" was to simply retire as the captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

[ShakesO]

Richards to Vancouver.













That's an S4 - on the Shake-O-Meter... ohmigod boooooring

[starscream's ghost]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230542&hubname=
mccarty officially signs with the wings.........and is sent to the minors (for conditioning)

[VaN uLAr]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230542&hubname=
mccarty officially signs with the wings.........and is sent to the minors (for conditioning)

I hope he finds his way back on the team. Loved that story they did on him last weekend on HNIC. The guy's battled some bad stuff, and seems to have things under control now. Would love seeing him get to the top again.

[WingNut 25]

Glad to see Mac back. Now to add another scorer and a D-man!

[TS16NYC]

A veteran player with expiring contract will be traded for 2-3 mid-level prospects.

[ShakesO]

TSN reporting: Tanguay won't be moved.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230548&hubname=nhl

[Voodoo Chylde]

Sundin; Forsberg; Tanguay. It's cracking me up how all the big "BUZZ" names to be deadline trades are turning into non-stories one by one. Is ANYONE major going to move?

[cflames89]

Sundin; Forsberg; Tanguay. It's cracking me up how all the big "BUZZ" names to be deadline trades are turning into non-stories one by one. Is ANYONE major going to move?

Do we have any active players with the last name Major? LOL!!!!!!;)

[Voodoo Chylde]

Eklund says: "The Flames are trying to make a MAJOR move with a major player that has not been mentioned too much I am told..(looking into that one)"

Seriously; how the HELL does he get PAID to come up with crap like that? ANYONE of us on here could come up with some half-baked crap like that!

[Mats_44]

Do we have any active players with the last name Major? LOL!!!!!!;)

Dude that is messed up, I was thinking of the EXACT same joke when I read that post!! :eek:

[Paul755]

Sundin; Forsberg; Tanguay. It's cracking me up how all the big "BUZZ" names to be deadline trades are turning into non-stories one by one. Is ANYONE major going to move?
well...unless he has come out in the past 24 hours and said something...#21 is still in play...

[bizzwizz]

I can completely understand why he said no to any movement, he is, and will be a Leaf for life, and I get that.

As a Sens fan, I couldn't be happier...the Leaf's remain the same, and maybe get a shot at #1 in this Years draft ( if they can win the lottery that is!), and really won't change much over the next couple of years. I love the non-movement....Thanks Mats :D


Do you think the reason that Mats doesn't want a Cup via the rental player route is because he is worried about what other people will think about it? I guarantee you he doesn't give a crap about what other people think. What's important to him is his own personal feelings and what he feels is right in his own head. In his own head, winning the Cup as a rental player has no merit, value or sense of accomplishment. Why can't people respect and understand that??

I totally agree with you, why not accept the trade so the team can get better and then just come back next season to an improved squad? It's a very good question. But did it ever occur to you that maybe just maybe in Sundin's head he is giving some serious thought to this being his last season and retiring? If that is the case, and he wants to retire as the Maple Leafs captain, it wouldn't make much sense to leave the team as part of a rental player trade without getting the proper goodbye farewell game that he so very much deserves. Maybe that is being a bit selfish, but he has earned the honour to leave the Leafs on his terms.

So if perhaps Sundin is thinking about retiring this year, then it makes perfect sense that he wants to end his Leafs career at the end of the season when he can get a proper goodbye and proper closure from the fans.

It's a real shame that the people in Western Canada can't think outside the box and consider that they don't have all the facts at hand and can't possibly have a crystal ball to see what's inside Sundin's head and know what his thoughts are about the future.

[Mats_44]

I can completely understand why he said no to any movement, he is, and will be a Leaf for life, and I get that.

As a Sens fan, I couldn't be happier...the Leaf's remain the same, and maybe get a shot at #1 in this Years draft ( if they can win the lottery that is!), and really won't change much over the next couple of years. I love the non-movement....Thanks Mats :D

Listen Blair, you really don't want to get on my bad side now, do you? :p

[PrimeBane]

Wasn't Ryan Smyth hung last year for not sticking with the Oilers? Now Sundin says "I want to stay" and he's a bad guy too.

This is horribly boring. I hope there is some movement this evening.

Missed this one... I blame Mat's brick wall.

Much like TO and Sundin, it was 50-50. Some blamed Smyth, some blamed Lowe. It all depends on the fan. At least in Lowe's situation, he didn't have his hands tied with a NTC and was able to get something for Smytty.

[cflames89]

Dude that is messed up, I was thinking of the EXACT same joke when I read that post!! :eek:

I knew I would not be the only one, LOL!!!!

[WingNut 25]

I just looked on HockeyBuzz for the first time ever. Within about 2 inches of computer screen space I see that Jokinen to the Canadiens is gaining major steam and right above it that the Wild are closing in on Jokinen. How does any human being with any amount of brain power believe a word from this guy? He's on XM all the time, has his own site, he was on the Preds game the other night, etc. It's amazing how far BS will get you.

[starscream's ghost]

he's great for free agency, but is just lying the rest of the time

[bigcheez99]

OMG Forsberg's back!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230555&hubname=

[ColdDonut]

Peter is back :(

[Paul755]

HE'S COMMING HOME

[starscream's ghost]

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cflames89]

Too bad the Avs are in tough anyways.

[PrimeBane]

Are we starting a Forsberg injury pool? I'm guessing the guy doesn't go 2 weeks without being gone for the season.

[Al Snickkerson]

Sakic a is back too What a boost. Sharks need to do a move

[ComradeFlyer]

thank god our long national nightmare is over.

[freezerbox]

That's about the same time frame I was thinking.
Are we starting a Forsberg injury pool? I'm guessing the guy doesn't go 2 weeks without being gone for the season.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

OMG Forsberg's back!

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230555&hubname=

I told you!!!! :o:o

http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=439495

:D

Posse

[ShakesO]

Are we starting a Forsberg injury pool? I'm guessing the guy doesn't go 2 weeks without being gone for the season.


I picked him up for my fantasy hockey pool. I'm already in last. I'm all full of hope now!

[PrimeBane]

Tanguay not going anywhere (at least for now)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trade_deadline/news_story/?ID=230548&hubname=nhl-trade_deadline

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That's often the sign of a guaranteed trade (see Forsberg signing above) :)

Tanguay not going anywhere (at least for now)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trade_deadline/news_story/?ID=230548&hubname=nhl-trade_deadline

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CBS Sportsline rumors mostly from today.

Team by Team
Anaheim Ducks Updated:02/25/2008
GM Brian Burke has made a pitch to the Panthers for Olli Jokinen, says the Toronto Sun. The Ducks have also been in touch with Tampa Bay about Vaclav Prospal, and may join in the bidding for Brad Richards.
Atlanta Thrashers Updated:02/25/2008
An anonymous source told the Boston Herald contract talks between the Thrashers and Marian Hossa have stalled, and the winger will definitely be moved before the trade deadline. Atlanta would like a package which includes immediate help, preferably in the form of a top-six winger, along with a first-round pick. Anaheim, Boston, Dallas, Detroit, Edmonton, Montreal, Ottawa, San Jose and the New York Rangers are reportedly interested in Hossa. ... GM Don Waddell told the Journal-Constitution he has received calls about Johan Hedberg, Bobby Holik and Mark Recchi. All three players are free agents this summer. Alexei Zhitnik is also on the block.
Boston Bruins Updated:02/25/2008
GM Peter Chiarelli told the Boston Herald he will be working the phones on Tuesday, but will not trade Phil Kessel to land a star player. Some rumors suggested the Bruins were in the mix to acquire Atlanta's Marian Hossa. "We started with a plan last season," Chiarelli told the Herald. "We followed through on it this year and I'm not going to sway from that significantly." ... Aaron Ward, who is in the final year of his contract, is a candidate to be moved before the trade deadline, says the Boston Globe.
Buffalo Sabres Updated:02/25/2008
According to the Buffalo News, Brian Campbell has turned down the Sabres latest contract offer and does not intend to present the team with a counter offer. Campbell, who is a free agent this summer, is likely to be traded before Feb. 26. The Bruins, Ducks, Flyers, Rangers, Senators and Sharks are believed to be interested in Campbell. ... The News reports scouts from at least 10 teams attended Saturday's Sabres game.
Calgary Flames Updated:02/25/2008
According to the Team 990 in Montreal, GM Darryl Sutter told the media he does not plan on trading Alex Tanguay and that he is pleased with the Flames' current roster.
Carolina Hurricanes Updated:02/21/2008
GM Jim Rutherford told the Raleigh News & Observer he held serious discussions with several teams at this week's GM meetings in Naples, Fla., but asking prices were too high. The Hurricanes are believed to be seeking a center to help offset the loss of Rod Brind'Amour. "The guys we have now have done fine," Rutherford told the paper. "But if we have another injury, how far can you go, really?"
Chicago Blackhawks Updated:02/25/2008
The Blackhawks have backed off trying to trade Martin Havlat, says the Toronto Sun. ... The Senators and Red Wingers are believed to be interested in physical winger Martin Lapointe, the Arlington Daily Herald reports. ... The Herald also reports Chicago is willing to part with Lapointe, Yanic Perreault and Andrei Zyuzin. All are unrestricted free agents this summer.
Columbus Blue Jackets Updated:02/25/2008
Numerous sources say the Blue Jackets are the front-runner to acquire Tampa Bay's Brad Richards. The Toronto Sun says Columbus has offered Rostislav Klesla, Gilbert Brule and a pick for the center. According to the Arlington Daily Herald, the Blue Jackets have offered Pascal Leclaire. ... Adam Foote told the Columbus Dispatch he would like to remain in Columbus and sign a contract extension with the Blue Jackets rather than be traded. ... The Minneapolis Star Tribune speculates both Sergei Federov and Michael Peca may be on the trading block.
Dallas Stars Updated:02/25/2008
The Stars are eying Tampa Bay's Brad Richards, says the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. TSN reported Dallas submitted an offer to the Lightning for the center, but GM Les Jackson denied the rumor. Jackson did acknowledge the Stars are interested in the former Conn Smythe winner. "We've talked, for sure," Jackson told the Star-Telegram. "We like the player, but we haven't done anything." ... The Stars are rumored to have interest in Atlanta's Marian Hossa and Florida's Olli Jokinen, says the Dallas Morning News.
Detroit Red Wings Updated:02/25/2008
The Red Wings were targeting Toronto's Mats Sundin, says the Boston Herald. Detroit reportedly offered the center a two-year contract extension if he waived his no-trade clause and joined the Red Wings. Sundin refused to do so. ... GM Ken Holland told the Detroit News he would be "prepared to pay a price" if the Red Wings can swing a deal that would help them in the short and long term. Detroit would like to acquire a top-six forward or a defenseman. Columbus' Sergei Federov, Tampa Bay's Vaclav Prospal, Atlanta's Bobby Holik and Los Angeles' Brad Stuart have been mentioned as players Detroit may have interest in.
Edmonton Oilers Updated:02/25/2008
GM Kevin Lowe hinted the Oilers are attempting to make a run at acquiring Tampa Bay's Brad Richards, says the Edmonton Journal. ... According to the New York Post, the Rangers have been discussing a possible trade, with Rob Schremp and Rangers prospect Hugh Jessiman being mentioned often in talks. ... Lowe told the Edmonton Journal he has provided teams with a list of players he is making available, but predicted the odds of the Oilers making a trade this year are less than previous seasons. Players believed to be on the list are Joni Pitkanen, Dwayne Roloson, Marty Reasoner and Geoff Sanderson. "We don't feel we have players we have to sell off contractually. It's business as usual," Lowe told the paper. "I'm trying to make a hockey trade that improves us now and for next year." ... The Oilers are one of at least eight teams pursuing Atlanta's Marian Hossa, says the Journal.
Florida Panthers Updated:02/25/2008
The Palm Beach Post notes the glut of scouts that had been attending Panthers games has disappeared, which could be a sign Olli Jokinen is not on the market. ... Steve Montador has drawn interest from some team, says the Miami Herald. GM Jacques Martin, however, does not want to trade the defenseman/winger. "He's a player we want to keep, a character individual," Martin told the Herald. "And he fills a couple spots for us." ... According to the Sun-Sentinel, owner Alan Cohen may consider dismissing GM/coach Jacques Martin if the Panthers miss the playoffs this year. ... Panthers scouts have attended five of the last six Minnesota Wild games, the Minneapolis Star Tribune reports. ... The Toronto Sun reports the Panthers are shopping Jozef Stumpel and Radek Dvorak.
Los Angeles Kings Updated:02/19/2008
Rob Blake has informed the Kings he will return to Los Angeles next season, says the Riverside Press Enterprise. Blake also told the paper he has not been asked to waive his no-trade clause. ... According to the Detroit Free Press, the Kings have placed Mike Cammalleri on the block.
Minnesota Wild Updated:02/25/2008
A Panthers scout has attended five of Minnesota's last six games, says the Minneapolis Star Tribune. The Wild are reportedly interested in Florida's Olli Jokinen. The Toronto Sun says a deal for Jokinen would involve Pierre-Marc Bouchard and a prospect.
Montreal Canadiens Updated:02/25/2008
GM Bob Gainey told the Montreal Gazette he is willing to trade for an impact player, but has yet to find a team to make a deal with. ... Several rumors have the Canadiens lined up to make a big deal before Feb. 26. According to the Toronto Sun, the Canadiens are targeting Atlanta's Marian Hossa or Chicago's Martin Havlat.
Nashville Predators Updated:02/19/2008
The Tennessean suggests some roster shuffling could lead to Ville Koistinen being traded. The defenseman has a one-way contract with Nashville, which would make a move more likely than sending him to the minors.
New Jersey Devils Updated:02/25/2008
GM Lou Lamoriello intends to be a buyer at the trade deadline, says the New York Post. The Devils are believed to have interest in St. Louis' Jay McKee and Barret Jackman, and Los Angeles' Rob Blake. The Bergen Record notes Bryce Salvador is also on New Jersey's radar. Other players believed to be on New Jersey's list: Atlanta's Marian Hossa, Los Angeles' Ladislav Nagy, Colorado's John-Michael Liles, Tampa Bay's Dan Boyle or Buffalo's Brian Campbell. ... In an unrelated rumor, New Jersey has its eye on Chicago's Martin Havlat, who would be brought in to play with longtime friend Patrik Elias, the Chicago Sun-Times reports. According to the New York Post, the Devils also have interest in Robert Lang.
New York Islanders Updated:02/25/2008
The Islanders are trying to re-sign Mike Comrie before the trade deadline, says the New York Post. Comrie has yet to drop his demands, which means he could be moved. A previous rumor published in the Detroit Free Press suggested Columbus as a possible destination for the center. ... New York is also looking to deal Miroslav Satan. ... According to the Toronto Sun, the Islanders are looking into the idea of bringing back Bryan McCabe. McCabe, however, would have to waive his no-trade clause.
New York Rangers Updated:02/25/2008
According to the New York Daily News, it is unlikely the Rangers will trade Jaromir Jagr before the trade deadline. ... The Rangers could find out soon if Tampa Bay's Dan Boyle is available, and are expected to pursue the defenseman, says the New York Post. Boyle would have to still waive his no-trade clause before a deal is completed. The Post notes GM Glen Sather would seek permission to negotiate a long-term contract with Boyle before making a deal. If a deal for Boyle falls through, the Rangers may look to acquire St. Louis' Barret Jackman. ... According to the Post, the Rangers have been discussing a possible trade, with Oilers prospect Rob Schremp and Rangers prospect Hugh Jessiman being mentioned often in talks. ... The Daily News says the Rangers are most likely going to improve their defense with a veteran rather than make a blockbuster deal.
Ottawa Senators Updated:02/19/2008
Coach John Paddock said he is close to making a decision on whether Ray Emery or Martin Gerber will assume the starting role during Ottawa's stretch run and postseason, says the Ottawa Citizen. ... The Senators are not done dealing for players, says the Ottawa Sun. It is believed GM Bryan Murray is still looking for another winger and a puck-moving defenseman.
Philadelphia Flyers Updated:02/25/2008
The Flyers are rumored to have offered Jeff Carter and a prospect for Tampa Bay's Dan Boyle or Brad Richards, says the Toronto Sun. ... Philadelphia has expressed interest in Nashville's Ryan Suter, says the Philadelphia Inquirer.
Phoenix Coyotes Updated:02/25/2008
According to the Toronto Sun, the Coyotes are looking to move Brendan Bell and Radim Vrbata. Vrbata is in the final year of his contract and is reportedly looking for a deal worth $4 million a season. ... GM Don Maloney told the Arizona Republic the Coyotes won't be looking to acquire any "short-term rentals" but would be willing to deal if it helped the team for the long-term.
Pittsburgh Penguins Updated:02/12/2008
Despite the fact some big-name players may be available before the trade deadline, GM Ray Shero plans to pass on players who would command a steep price, says the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. Shero mentioned he is listening for offers and would be willing to make smaller moves to fine-tune the roster. "I like the way our team has played," Shero told the paper. "We're going to get a number of players back from injury. Right now, a lot of guys have stepped up and done a very good job."
San Jose Sharks Updated:02/25/2008
The Toronto Sun says the Sharks are desperate to make a deal and are believed to be willing to part with Matt Carle and a top draft pick. ... The Sharks have been making pitches to the Thrashers in an attempt to land Marian Hossa, says the Toronto Sun. It is believed Patrick Marleau would be part of such a deal.
St. Louis Blues Updated:02/25/2008
Barret Jackman is believed to be on the trading block, says the New York Post. The Blues are reportedly seeking a first-round pick, a top prospect and a veteran for the former Calder Trophy winner.
Tampa Bay Lightning Updated:02/25/2008
Brad Richards' agent, Pat Morris, told the Tampa Tribune his client has not been asked to waive his no-trade clause yet. Columbus, Edmonton, Montreal, Philadelphia and Vancouver are believed to be interested in the former Conn Smythe winner, with the Blue Jackets being the front-runner to acquire him. According to the Toronto Sun, Columbus is offering Rostislav Klesla, Gilbert Brule and a draft pick. ... The Tribune also reports the possibility of Dan Boyle hitting the trade market has declined as the Lightning are making progress on a new deal for the defenseman. Boyle could bring in a deal in the range of six to eight years worth anywhere from $40 million to $60 million. The New York Rangers, Ottawa and San Jose are interested in Boyle should contract negotiations fall through.
Toronto Maple Leafs Updated:02/25/2008
Mats Sundin re-iterated he will not waive his no-trade clause, says the Toronto Star. Sundin met with his agent, J.P. Barry over the weekend to discuss a possible move and future with Toronto. GM Cliff Fletcher revealed Sundin has also declined to discuss a possible contract extension, which could pave the way for the captain's retirement. ... The Toronto Sun reports Fletcher has been unable to convince Tomas Kaberle, Pavel Kubina, Bryan McCabe or Darcy Tucker to waive their no-trade clauses. According to the Globe and Mail McCabe has reportedly offered to waive his no-trade clause if Fletcher approached him with move to a Stanley Cup contender. ... Fletcher is expected to now focus on unloading salary, rather than stock talent or draft picks, says the Globe and Mail. ... The Star suggests Fletcher may look to move Andrei Ponikarovsky or Nik Antropov if he is unable to convince high-priced Leafs to waive their no-trade clauses.
Vancouver Canucks Updated:02/25/2008
The Toronto Sun says the Canucks are expected to be very aggressive before the trade deadline to improve the team up front. Vancouver is still hoping to sign Peter Forsberg, but are also following situations involving Atlanta's Marian Hossa, Tampa Bay's Brad Richards and Vaclav Prospal, and Florida's Olli Jokinen.
Washington Capitals Updated:02/21/2008
With the Capitals still in the mix to capture the Southeast Division, GM George McPhee told the Washington, D.C. media they will not be sellers at the trade deadline. "If there's something that would help, that isn't too expensive, then we would talk about it," McPhee said. "But we like what we have. We like the players we have and the people they are." ... McPhee declined to address what Washington's plans were for Olaf Kolzig, who will become an unrestricted free agent this summer.

[VaN uLAr]

I'm officially blind now. :spawnskul

[Riddler]

Flyers picked up Prospal for Picard and a pick 2009 (conditional)

[starscream's ghost]

barrett jackman signs extension with st louis
http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=230576&hubname=nhl

[srv2miker]

Flyers picked up Prospal for Picard and a pick 2009 (conditional)

Prospal for Picard and 3rd? That's a steal.

[VaN uLAr]

Flyers should be SELLERS. Congrats on their brilliant pickup of Prospal, and their first win in 11 games ! LOL !

[Riddler]

Boyle resigns with the Bolts 6 years 40 mil

[Dirty Mo Posse]

The Tampa Bay Lighting have signed defenceman Dan Boyle to a six-year, $40 million contract.

:D

Posse

[starscream's ghost]

interesting. boyle signs a 6 year deal that will pay him $6.66 million per year

[avsfan21]

Now they should just trade him to the Devils.

[VaN uLAr]

The Tampa Bay Lighting have signed defenceman Dan Boyle to a six-year, $40 million contract.

:D

Posse

Does this team ever learn !?!??

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Sorry dude, last time I cut and pasted that it came out a little better. :o

I'm officially blind now. :spawnskul

[VaN uLAr]

LOL ! No problem man, was a tough read. :p

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No kidding, I'm not gonna lie after I posted it I was like "Oh s*&^!"

[ComradeFlyer]

ESPN reports are that Rob Blake has agreed to waive his no trade clause to one of two Western Conference teams. E.J. Hradek reported this on ESPN from a direct team source.

[davetheking75]

ESPN reports are that Rob Blake has agreed to waive his no trade clause to one of two Western Conference teams. E.J. Hradek reported this on ESPN from a direct team source.

if that's true i would assume the avs are one

i would love to see the wild get jokinen even if they have to give up PMB

[starscream's ghost]

one of two western conference teams? i smell a re-union in the mile high city

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Maybe he thinks big things are now going to happen in Denver with the Forsberg signing (Although they've got to slide into the playoffs first).

ESPN reports are that Rob Blake has agreed to waive his no trade clause to one of two Western Conference teams. E.J. Hradek reported this on ESPN from a direct team source.

[KingsFan25]

one of two western conference teams? i smell a re-union in the mile high city

Take him, and give us something of worth.

[IceRat]

or it could just be Anaheim or SJ where he has been rumored to go

[avsfan21]

if that's true i would assume the avs are one

i would love to see the wild get jokinen even if they have to give up PMB

Latest reports say that Jokinen might be off the market. I guess we will find out tomorrow. I still dont think he will be going anywhere.

[ComradeFlyer]

one of two western conference teams? i smell a re-union in the mile high city

maybe you guys will trade for Tanguay, Foote and Skoula too. ;)

[avsfan21]

Take him, and give us something of worth.

You can gladly have theodore.

[srv2miker]

Rob Blake came out and said he would only play for a West Coast-based team. Nothing's out of the question, but Colorado doesn't really fit the bill. He also didn't leave town under the best of terms there.

[avsfan21]

or it could just be Anaheim or SJ where he has been rumored to go

Do the Ducks not have a salary cap? Where are they getting this money from?

[starscream's ghost]

he left for more money than the avs could offer, even though he should've taken a home town discount with the bonus he was getting. but hey, he went back to his original team so i really have no hard feelings (unlike a certain anatomically named former av)

and comrade, i never want to see skoula back in denver