Good news about my Walmart going GREEN

[donkey]

I was there on a Halo search (only snipers found :( ) and I noticed that the store seemed kinda darker. Not in a bad way mind you, but just different. It was a more spotty lighting setup that gave it a more moody look I guess.
So I look up at the Walmart ceiling - for the first time ever - and notice that across the entire store they have put in like hundreds of 4'x4' skylights and managed to light the entire store on natural light alone, except for some tubes lighting the perimeter.

I bash Walmart a whole lot, but today I have to give them props for actually doing something for my kids. They suck in a lot of energy, but its really nice to see "Big Retail" finally going green.

Now if only they could turn off the AC . . . they could help the obesity problem by making all their fatty patrons sweat a little . . . I mean more than usual :p. BTW this is the Chino CA Walmart.

[tatoman2525]

i like green

[bigassbuzz]

wally world also demands it's products ship less water which helps too.
like no more big bottles of liquid cleaner, but switching to concentrated small packets and such.

[Joranthalus]

yeah, but all those reason are actually to help Walmart make more or spend less money... being "green" is just a side effect....

[bborst]

yeah, but all those reason are actually to help Walmart make more or spend less money... being "green" is just a side effect....
Exactly. They didn't do that to be "more green" they did that so they can save money so they can spend it on screwing over small businesses.

[McCheif]

Wow, that took awhile. The WM's in Arkansas have had the day-time skylights since 1998 or so. It is really fun to watch the other customer who don't know that jump whenever a really thick cloud passes over and the store goes from light to dark. I have seen many a soccer-mom drop what they were holding.

[GoreWhore]

It's not for your kids. If you think they're doing it for any reason other than profit margin, you're wrong.

That company couldn't give a **** about this planet.

[Touche'!]

Exactly. They didn't do that to be "more green" they did that so they can save money so they can spend it on screwing over small businesses.
Many small businesses under different rooves is inefficient and not very green. When all of those small businesses go out of business, then it will be good for the environment.

[Hill2001]

i thought this was about the halo master chief.

[shoggoth666]

Exactly. They didn't do that to be "more green" they did that so they can save money so they can spend it on screwing over small businesses.

Screw away I say, Wal Marts great prices allow me and my family to live a very comfortable life style. Thank you Wal Mart.

As far as going green I don't really care. I think we should all be good stewards of our environment but frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick of this man made global warming religion which is the biggest con of the century.

The earth is not some fragile eggshell planet precariously orbiting the sun on the brink of disaster. Mankind couldn't affect the weather on a global scale if all the nations joined together in a concerted effort to do so, much less destroy the planet by pumping the atmosphere full of plant food. The earth has survived countless disasters on a scale mankind has no ability to emulate.

[RaiderInNY]

i like green

Boogies?

[Holeman]

Going green for a corporation isn't 'environmental awareness', it's just good sense. Going green actually saves you a very large amount of money in the long run. I expect to see every major corporation adopting these changes soon, because it's a perfect way to cut costs. So, don't fall all over yourself slapping Wal-Mart on the back for saving money.

[J Dogg]

Mine went green by taking out the flush in the urnal. Now the bathrrom smells like a rock concert bathroom on a hot day(minus the alcohol ting) Yuck!

[Joranthalus]

Screw away I say, Wal Marts great prices allow me and my family to live a very comfortable life style. Thank you Wal Mart.

As far as going green I don't really care. I think we should all be good stewards of our environment but frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick of this man made global warming religion which is the biggest con of the century.

The earth is not some fragile eggshell planet precariously orbiting the sun on the brink of disaster. Mankind couldn't affect the weather on a global scale if all the nations joined together in a concerted effort to do so, much less destroy the planet by pumping the atmosphere full of plant food. The earth has survived countless disasters on a scale mankind has no ability to emulate.

you're exactly right. Man isn't going to destroy the planet. There will still be weather no matter how badly we trash the place.

Man will be extinct, obviously by our own doing, but the earth will be just fine after another million years....

[Kabong30]

My Walmart went green too! By kicking out all the greeny hippies they reduced the amount of hot-air in the building and now they don't need to spend as much on air conditioning! And of course I'm only mildly offended by the fatty patron thing since you too were in fact a patron. I love how people like to hold themselves above others for whatever reason when in reality your right down here in the poop with the rest of us (fatty or no). Have a nice day!:)

[Holeman]

Screw away I say, Wal Marts great prices allow me and my family to live a very comfortable life style. Thank you Wal Mart.

As far as going green I don't really care. I think we should all be good stewards of our environment but frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick of this man made global warming religion which is the biggest con of the century.

The earth is not some fragile eggshell planet precariously orbiting the sun on the brink of disaster. Mankind couldn't affect the weather on a global scale if all the nations joined together in a concerted effort to do so, much less destroy the planet by pumping the atmosphere full of plant food. The earth has survived countless disasters on a scale mankind has no ability to emulate.

I don't really think you grasp the whole idea of climate change.

The EARTH isn't going anywhere. We're not going to do anything permanent to the EARTH. The EARTH is going to be just ****ing peachy.

HUMANS however are kind of going to be ****ed.

THAT is the whole point.

Why is that so ****ing hard to understand? Why does every moron just hold onto that idea like it's the Bible.

Oh, wait nevermind.

[Spawnomite]

Who really gives a damn if WM goes green?

[Joerhyno]

Who really gives a damn if WM goes green?

a lot of people..at least, those who care about our environment, but by reading some of the responses, here, I can see a lot don't really care... I saw a green walmart in TX when we went down there last year, and my brother told me of a couple others that erected wind turbines in their parking lots and on the sides of their buildings to actually help produce energy, not that's awesome, we've been looking into possibly getting a couple wind turbines at our new house in a couple years.. they're getting cheaper, and easier to zone in neighborhoods, and if you get enough, and at the right place, you get the electric company to actually cut you a check instead of the other way around, lol.

[Doc Xenith]

annnnnd I still won't shop there.

[Kabong30]

Why is that so ****ing hard to understand? Why does every moron just hold onto that idea like it's the Bible.

Oh, wait nevermind.

OOOOOOhhhh, nice burn on Christianity, friend. Maybe we can bash some g ays later and get the trifecta! Why do people feel the need to do that? Nobody's opinion deserves as much respect as yours, is that it? Please ridicule those who disagree with you. If scientific data doesn't say the same thing to me (or many respected scientists) as it does to you (and your respected scientists) then suddenly I'm a moron? Now, lets keep in mind the stories that are coming out saying that "Global Warming is on hold" or that the oceans have failed to heat up in the last 4 years like they are supposed to if Global Warming is going to kill us all. Let's forget the fact that many places are recording some of the worst winters they've had in decades. Your opinion is the popular one so it must be correct.

[Spawnomite]

Global Warming is so overblown. There's too many lemmings out there. The media has hyped this up way too much.

[boondock_saint80]

I don't really think you grasp the whole idea of climate change.

The EARTH isn't going anywhere. We're not going to do anything permanent to the EARTH. The EARTH is going to be just ****ing peachy.

HUMANS however are kind of going to be ****ed.

THAT is the whole point.

Why is that so ****ing hard to understand? Why does every moron just hold onto that idea like it's the Bible.

Oh, wait nevermind.

Ummmmmmmm, more than 2000 of the worlds brightest scientists say otherwise, lets face the facts, human beings arent exactly treating this planet as if it were all that special, and based on scientific, and geological studies, we are the main cause for its rapid demise.

[boondock_saint80]

Global Warming is so overblown. There's too many lemmings out there. The media has hyped this up way too much.

you may be right, however, whats it going to hurt in trying to improve, as opposed to trashing this planet as if it were worthless.

[Holeman]

Ummmmmmmm, more than 2000 of the worlds brightest scientists say otherwise, lets face the facts, human beings arent exactly treating this planet as if it were all that special, and based on scientific, and geological studies, we are the main cause for its rapid demise.

You don't get it either.

The Earth will survive whatever the **** we do to it. It's been around for longer than most of us can even comprehend. If we disappear for twenty or so years, aside from some overgrown highways and rock formations and floating space crap and badly defaced mountains, it will be like we never even existed. The Earth will shake us off and continue marching right along.

I'm all for not trashing our environment, because right now, at this time, it is OUR ENVIRONMENT. We are making the world completely unsuitable for US TO LIVE ON!

Environmental concerns are only the tip of the iceberg. The main thing we've got to get under control is our numbers. Population control is going to become a popular topic in the near future.

But, as far as the Earth is concerned? We're dandruff. That's all.

[SyedFahd]

I don't really think you grasp the whole idea of climate change.

The EARTH isn't going anywhere. We're not going to do anything permanent to the EARTH. The EARTH is going to be just ****ing peachy.

HUMANS however are kind of going to be ****ed.

THAT is the whole point.

Why is that so ****ing hard to understand? Why does every moron just hold onto that idea like it's the Bible.

Oh, wait nevermind.

hmm well although i do agree with you a teensy weensy bit, it's also a fact that this isnt the first climate change that Humans have had to handle either. The progression and recession of the ice has happened before in human history and while yes a significant portion of the population may not have survived those periods, some evidently did. The weak died out and the strong survived. Now that really would'nt be a bad thing considering the impact that this era of "World Peace and Prosperity" has had on the composition of the gene pool...

[Spliff]

You don't get it either.

The Earth will survive whatever the **** we do to it.

false.

[Joranthalus]

OOOOOOhhhh, nice burn on Christianity, friend. Maybe we can bash some g ays later and get the trifecta! Why do people feel the need to do that? Nobody's opinion deserves as much respect as yours, is that it? Please ridicule those who disagree with you. If scientific data doesn't say the same thing to me (or many respected scientists) as it does to you (and your respected scientists) then suddenly I'm a moron? Now, lets keep in mind the stories that are coming out saying that "Global Warming is on hold" or that the oceans have failed to heat up in the last 4 years like they are supposed to if Global Warming is going to kill us all. Let's forget the fact that many places are recording some of the worst winters they've had in decades. Your opinion is the popular one so it must be correct.

welcome to the board! And hell yes, let's start some christian bashing!!! stupid fairy tale believing child molesters... Tomorrow i'm gonna sacrifice a goat to Ba'al and then watch zombie movies all day in honor of Jesus coming back from the dead to eat brains! :D

btw... just cuz something is unpopular and being part of the counter culture is cool, doesn't mean it's not incorrect....

For me it's simple.... 100's of millions of years worth of carbon was put into the earth over the course of 100's of millions of years.... just how the ecology planned it... Over that time it turned into fossil fuels. Then, we release 100's of millions of years worth of Carbon Dioxide into the ecology over the course of just under 100 years...

Maybe the effect isn't as bad as some say, in fact, the answer probably lies somewhere in between and both sides should probably listen to eachother a bit, but if you think that's not going to have any effect on things, well, you're just being slow...

[Kabong30]

welcome to the board! And hell yes, let's start some christian bashing!!! stupid fairy tale believing child molesters... Tomorrow i'm gonna sacrifice a goat to Ba'al and then watch zombie movies all day in honor of Jesus coming back from the dead to eat brains! :D

I appreciate the welcome (and the flamebait LOL) We're free to believe any fairy tale we want. :)

btw... just cuz something is unpopular and being part of the counter culture is cool, doesn't mean it's not incorrect....

I get that, but the facts are starting to come around to the unpopular "counter-culture" side of things.

For me it's simple.... 100's of millions of years worth of carbon was put into the earth over the course of 100's of millions of years.... just how the ecology planned it... Over that time it turned into fossil fuels. Then, we release 100's of millions of years worth of Carbon Dioxide into the ecology over the course of just under 100 years....

How much carbon dioxide is released in say a volcanic eruption? Not looking for an actual number, just think about it.

Maybe the effect isn't as bad as some say, in fact, the answer probably lies somewhere in between and both sides should probably listen to eachother a bit, but if you think that's not going to have any effect on things, well, you're just being slow...

The thing that I do agree with is that we should be taking care of the place, and I'm not so stupid as to think that we should just be polluting the crap out of everything. I just don't think that the alarmists have the truth. If we are on our way to some ecological catastrophe I don't think it's warming.

[Joranthalus]

don't know about volcanoes... but i do know they've always been there doing what they do as a normal part of the environment... can't say the same thing about us...

[Spliff]

How much carbon dioxide is released in say a volcanic eruption? Not looking for an actual number, just think about it.

well, that's really not a good example to use. volcanic eruptions aren't happening at the same amount of frequency that people are releasing it at.

Comparison of CO2 emissions from volcanoes vs. human activities.
Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1991). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 27 billion tonnes per year (30 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 2006) - The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2, through 2003.]. Human activities release more than 130 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of more than 8,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 3.3 million tonnes/year)! (Gerlach et. al., 2002)

[Joranthalus]

INFLUENCE ON THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT:
Volcanic eruptions can enhance global warming by adding CO2 to the atmosphere. However, a far greater amount of CO2 is contributed to the atmosphere by human activities each year than by volcanic eruptions. T.M.Gerlach (1991, American Geophysical Union) notes that human-made CO2 dwarfed the estamated global release of CO2 from volcanoes by at least 150 times. The small amount of global warming caused by eruption-generated greenhouse gases is offset by the far greater amount of global cooling caused by eruption-generated particles in the stratosphere (the haze effect). Greenhouse warming of the earth has been particularly evident since 1980. Without the cooling influence of such eruptions as El Chichon (1982) and Mt. Pinatubo (1991), described below, greenhouse warming would have been more pronounced.

and stuff

[Spliff]

high-five for science!

[Joranthalus]

we've blinded him!

[Mr. Yac]

volcanos and people are nothing compared to the insane amounts of toxins cows put into the air....look it up:eek:

[Spliff]

global warming isn't just the RISE in temperature. it's the abnormalities of it.

[Joranthalus]

and above you are two quotes that explain why...

and how can you say "we know nothing... here's an article that says we know something".... if we know nothing, then we know nothing both ways... you can't say we know nothing about global warming, but we know it's not happening...

[Spliff]

wow...

[Spliff]

But according to the Man-Made Global Warming Theory, the abnormalities only work in favor of the theory, and never against it. There are plenty of events, stats and facts that run counter to the Global Warming theory that are dismissed before they even see print by the PR machine that propogates the global warming religion.
and just how is that?

[Holeman]

false.

You're really arrogant enough to assume that the insignificant dust specks that we are could possibly do anything to hurt this planet in the long run?

We could set off every nuclear weapon on Earth, completely destroy the landscape, dump every pollutant known to man into the oceans, blacken the sky, kill all the animals, destroy the human race, blow massive piece of the planet into orbit and destroy the atmosphere and guess what?

The Earth would still be here.

It's been here long before us, it will be here long after we are gone from the face of it.

[Spliff]

You're really arrogant enough to assume that the insignificant dust specks that we are could possibly do anything to hurt this planet in the long run?

We could set off every nuclear weapon on Earth, completely destroy the landscape, dump every pollutant known to man into the oceans, blacken the sky, kill all the animals, destroy the human race, blow massive piece of the planet into orbit and destroy the atmosphere and guess what?

The Earth would still be here.

It's been here long before us, it will be here long after we are gone from the face of it.

wow.

[Spliff]

like i said, global warming isn't just a RISE of temperatures...it's abnormalities. the correct term now is climate change.

[Spawnomite]

Wow

[Holeman]

Well, some of the facts that run counter to the global warming theory:

-The fact that much of the country is currently having one of the coldest winters in recorded history.

-The fact that the sun's activity has been high in recent years, and subsequently the temperatures of the planets closest to earth have risen in similar teperature levels in conjunction with that.

-The fact that the majority of the US was covered with snow this winter.

Another thing that bugs the **** out of me concerning people who are in denial about global warming: THEY CAN'T SEEM TO GRASP THE CONCEPT OF GRADUAL WARMING AND THE EFFECT MELTING ICE CAPS AND THEIR EFFECT ON OCEAN CURRENTS HAVE ON THE ****ING WEATHER!

[Joranthalus]

The earth's climate has natural highs and lows, peaks and valleys. All have been well within humanity's thriving points.

according to you, we don't know enough to be able to say that....

[Spliff]

haha

[Joranthalus]

You're really arrogant enough to assume that the insignificant dust specks that we are could possibly do anything to hurt this planet in the long run?

We could set off every nuclear weapon on Earth, completely destroy the landscape, dump every pollutant known to man into the oceans, blacken the sky, kill all the animals, destroy the human race, blow massive piece of the planet into orbit and destroy the atmosphere and guess what?

The Earth would still be here.

It's been here long before us, it will be here long after we are gone from the face of it.

i already covered that on the first page. this isn't about the planet, but the environment...

the earth isn't fragile.. but ecosystems are...

[Spawnomite]

haha

[Icraig78]

My walm-mart used lead paint and painted itself green does that count?

[Joranthalus]

But that is the entire point, isnt it?

They coined the phrase "Global Warming" to panic the masses into change with trumped up scientific evidence. Now that there is plenty of evidence counter to the Global Warming Theory, and scores of scientists who dont back the theory as a man-made event, they have changed the name to "climate change." Because now the change can go both ways.

I swear its like the old cartoon Chicken Little. First, they say "the sky is falling," to let the Fox into the hen house. Then, when the sky doesnt fall, they say that the "earth is rising!"

the concern about global warming has never been just about "warming"... i think you just woke up to that and feel you've been lied to. they've always said that global warming will ultimately lead to an ice age....

Huh? Wha? I thought they said "warming"!

[Holeman]

i already covered that on the first page. this isn't about the planet, but the environment...

the earth isn't fragile.. but ecosystems are...

Yes, I'm fully aware of that, but I wasn't responding to your rather well thought out post, was I?

[Spawnomite]

My walm-mart used lead paint and painted itself green does that count?LOL. And all those lead tainted toys too. :D

[Holeman]

But that is the entire point, isnt it?

They coined the phrase "Global Warming" to panic the masses into change with trumped up scientific evidence. Now that there is plenty of evidence counter to the Global Warming Theory, and scores of scientists who dont back the theory as a man-made event, they have changed the name to "climate change." Because now the change can go both ways.

I swear its like the old cartoon Chicken Little. First, they say "the sky is falling," to let the Fox into the hen house. Then, when the sky doesnt fall, they say that the "earth is rising!"

You learned everything you know about this subject from idiot, neo-con talkshow hosts, didn't you? Please, read a book about it. Because, when you talk about it in this fashion and offer up these wildly bizarre opinions that have no basis in the actual issue, it makes you sound like you're completely ignorant.

Global warming has NEVER been about hot weather. It's about the Earth gradually heating (which it has) and that gradual heating having a profound effect on our entire eco-system.

The words "Climate" and "Change" have always been part of argument. Where have you been?

[Joranthalus]

Yes, I'm fully aware of that, but I wasn't responding to your rather well thought out post, was I?

sorry, you confused me...

[Icraig78]

LOL. And all those lead tainted toys too. :D Lead painted toys are the BEST! You're supposed to lick them right?

[Spliff]

did you hear that al-qaida was in iraq too?

[Mr. Yac]

well we can all at least agree that Global Warming or not Al Gore is annoying.....right?

[MikeK]

Hmm, from self-satisfying statements about the "real" reason as to why Wal-Mart is going green, to self-satisfying statements about global warming.




And still no Off-Topic forum for the spawn.com message boards.

[Icraig78]

well we can all at least agree that Global Warming or not Al Gore is annoying.....right? I agree to that

[Joranthalus]

Hmm, from self-satisfying statements about the "real" reason as to why Wal-Mart is going green, to self-satisfying statements about global warming.




And still no Off-Topic forum for the spawn.com message boards.

i don't feel satisfied at all :(

[Spliff]

Immaterial to either discussion.

point of the matter being, people don't want to believe there's a problem till it's too late to fix it.

[Mr. Yac]

point of the matter being, people don't want to believe there's a problem till it's too late to fix it.

true, but theres also enough people who ***** loud enough to make a problem exist when it shouldn't

[Joranthalus]

people like to think they're too smart to believe it... everyone is a sheep except me :D

[Spliff]

true, but theres also enough people who ***** loud enough to make a problem exist when it shouldn't

there's no such thing as *****ing when it's a problem with catastrophic consequences. much better than people saying, and doing, nothing.

[Mr. Yac]

there's no such thing as *****ing when it's a problem with catastrophic consequences. much better than people saying, and doing, nothing.

sure there is, remember Y2K, planes would fall out of the sky, missles would launch at girl scouts and all the digital clocks in the world would fire lazer beams at us.....

[Spliff]

Ok, but tell me that we need to fix our pollutants because it is the right thing to do, not because the sky is falling. No one is against the cleanest possible air or water.

without the knowledge of the consquences of our actions why would anyone care as to what needed to be done though?

if no one told you the atmosphere protected us from the suns radiation, why would you care about the atmosphere?

[Joranthalus]

sure there is, remember Y2K, planes would fall out of the sky, missles would launch at girl scouts and all the digital clocks in the world would fire lazer beams at us.....

People spent years fixing the problem so that wouldn't happen, and they were for the most part successful... there's a lesson there somewhere....

[Mr. Yac]

People spent years fixing the problem so that wouldn't happen, and they were for the most part successful... there's a lesson there somewhere....

exactly, if i just sit around and do nothing things will fix themselves......duh

but anyway i'm with UKY-71 here, nobody is against cleaning things up (well aside from the people who own the factories doing most of the damage) but at the same time i hate when the "elites" force feed it down my throat that i'm a bad man for running my AC in 100+ degree weather while they fly to the super markets in private jets and have "carbon footprints" (their own stupid ass scale for saying how evil us american middle class are) in one of their homes equal to that of some small towns, but it's ok for them because they have carbon credits by building windmills in africa.....:rolleyes:

[Joranthalus]

i'm just against people who say ignorant things like "we're just specks of dust, we can't have any effect on the environment..."

like i said before, the answer is probably somewhere inbetween. No one needs alarmists, but we don't need people who shove their heads in the sand either...

[Mr. Yac]

i can agree with that as well, but when you go too extreme to either side of an issue you usually end up just damaging whatever your cause is

[Mr. Yac]

Youre an Obama voter arent you?

Jorbert is a convicted fellon, he can't vote for anybody;)

[Joranthalus]

Youre an Obama voter arent you?

libertarian (i'm with the people who think they're too smart to believe in global warming)... However, i work in IT and spent years working to prevent the Y2K software bug from causing problems...

[Spliff]

I dont know that [short of nuking the atmosphere] we can damage it. I know we had the big cfc craze in the 90's or whenever, but I think I read an article recently that said the hole in the ozone was "mysteriously gone."

It isnt so simple that the outcomes of either choice are right or wrong. Too many variables and outcomes.

Yes, everyone would benefit from the cleanest air and water, but the opposite doesnt necessarily hold true that everyone [or anyone] would suffer needlessly if we didnt change the emissions. I mean, what happens if we lower emissions signifigantly, and the earth still has a rise in climate? What do we blame next? That is the problem with arranging the problem that way.
the atmosphere isn't damage-proof insurance policy, it can be depleted just as easily as any other resource on earth without proper care.

i really don't know how to explain it any further that it isn't just a RISE in temperature since you can't seem to get past that, so i won't.

[Tiamat_Dragon_Lord]

I fear the emperial powers of such mega reatiling and ''LITTLE MAN COTROLING" egos- such as walmart and any other manipulating factions. I wont be the first or the last to say it..but when the free market backs up the claims to any world changing dellema, you know somewhere along the lines they a raking in a pretty hefty buck..I just don't trust..Long live the revoloution..LONG LIVE EGO...and miniature gaming systems..naturally.

[Spliff]

Youre an Obama voter arent you?

Immaterial to either discussion.

;)

[Joranthalus]

...and miniature gaming systems..naturally.

just how miniature are we talking here?

[Holeman]

i'm just against people who say ignorant things like "we're just specks of dust, we can't have any effect on the environment..."

like i said before, the answer is probably somewhere inbetween. No one needs alarmists, but we don't need people who shove their heads in the sand either...

I never said anything about the environment, I said the planet. Compared to the planet, that's what we are.

[Spliff]

I never said anything about the environment, I said the planet. Compared to the planet, that's what we are.

if you eat an apple and leave the core, would it make sense for you to say the apple is "still there"?

[Joranthalus]

didn't mean you, just generalizing the message of that other guy....

[MikeK]

Yep, the whole protection of the environment has been sold wrong all of these years. It should really be about sustaining our civilization than about caring for Mother Earth.

[Joranthalus]

Environmentalists should fire their publicity agents...

[Spliff]

Yep, the whole protection of the environment has been sold wrong all of these years. It should really be about sustaining our civilization than about caring for Mother Earth.

why would we care about civilizations? they fall, it's proven history.

[Joranthalus]

i like to picture myself naked covered in liquefied jelly beans... Mr Yac likes to picture me that way too....

[Mr. Yac]

i like to picture myself naked covered in liquefied jelly beans... Mr Yac likes to picture me that way too....

pfft, i hate jelly beans:p

i think Mr. Burns said it best about global warming "Oh, so Mother Nature needs a favor? Well, maybe she should have thought of that when she was besetting us with droughts and floods and poison monkeys. Nature started the fight for survival and now she wants to quit because she's losing? Well, I say "hard cheese"!

[Spliff]

humans are the virus, and natural disasters are the vaccines.

[MikeK]

I hate Wallyworld. The only place I go that, guaranteed, there is always somebody with a bigger beer gut than me. I hate that chick!

I have to concur though, if you think they are going green for any other reason than their profit margin, you're kidding yourself.

And they sell rifles, but not beer. You can kill someone, just not your liver. praise jesus!

Actually, the Wal-Marts I go to have recently started carrying liquor. It's one side of an aisle, but it's there. They also don't sell firearms, only air guns and paintball guns.

[Kabong30]

humans are the virus, and natural disasters are the vaccines.

Ok Agent Smith. There's a lot of emotion here, and as much as some of us like to pretend that were "being scientific" it's all about how we feel.

It is a fact that technically the Earth will still exist no matter what we do to it. And I would imagine that some form of life would survive whatever we do.

I am not anti-Earth. I am all for conservationism. I just do not like to be lied to! The reason that everybody is all over "Climate Change" is because there is money to be made on it now! How many latte-sucking, ******, soccer moms can we sell reusable shopping bags to? Where can I find the next thing we'll use instead of oil? Has anybody noticed that the price of corn has shot through the roof? Why? Because it can be made into ethanol. And remember how that was sold to us? It's cheap! It's renewable! But once we have you on board we'll make it as expensive as oil, and when you cry about it, we'll say, "Don't you love the planet?"

We should take care of our planet, but we shouldn't be lied to!

[Kabong30]

Actually, the Wal-Marts I go to have recently started carrying liquor. It's one side of an aisle, but it's there. They also don't sell firearms, only air guns and paintball guns.

The pussificaton of America continues.

[Spliff]

Ok Agent Smith. There's a lot of emotion here, and as much as some of us like to pretend that were "being scientific" it's all about how we feel.

It is a fact that technically the Earth will still exist no matter what we do to it. And I would imagine that some form of life would survive whatever we do.

I am not anti-Earth. I am all for conservationism. I just do not like to be lied to! The reason that everybody is all over "Climate Change" is because there is money to be made on it now! How many latte-sucking, ******, soccer moms can we sell reusable shopping bags to? Where can I find the next thing we'll use instead of oil? Has anybody noticed that the price of corn has shot through the roof? Why? Because it can be made into ethanol. And remember how that was sold to us? It's cheap! It's renewable! But once we have you on board we'll make it as expensive as oil, and when you cry about it, we'll say, "Don't you love the planet?"

We should take care of our planet, but we shouldn't be lied to!
yea, cos we all know the recycling industry can pull rank on the oil industry.:rolleyes:

[Mr. Yac]

yea, cos we all know the recycling industry can pull rank on the oil industry.:rolleyes:

if i may refer back to the boundless wisdom that is the Simpsons

"Aw, recycling is useless, Lis. Once the sun burns out, this planet is doomed. You're just making sure we spend our last days using inferior products."

[Joranthalus]

did ya see the posts about the volcanoes? :D

[Joranthalus]

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IAoh_yteKkc

[Spliff]

LMFAO @ him rolling around on the floor.

[Joranthalus]

Mojo will rock your ass off more than Bon Jovi!

[Spliff]

Mojo has a vision!

[Icraig78]

can anyone tell me how this relates to ponies?

[Joranthalus]

Mojo's a cowboy...

[Kabong30]

yea, cos we all know the recycling industry can pull rank on the oil industry.:rolleyes:

I'm not sure what you mean. What I'm saying is that the oil industry knows that it's days are basically numbered and they are diversifying into "green" industries. While everybody is busy applauding their action to save the planet they're laughing at us and making more money! And I'm not saying that we should be ashamed to make money, but let's not confuse the motivation for change. While I know that the people at the bottom of the heap crying for this change are altruistic and pure-hearted, they are also deceived, and wrong-headed. If you could get past your emotion on the issue you would see that it's a lot of BS. It's all about the money.

I'll probably get slammed for this one, but Michael Crichton said some very interesting things about this issue. The reason that so much research points to "Climate Change" is because that's how you get funding for your research. Back in the 80's it was cancer research and you couldn't get any money if your research didn't deal with cancer. So everything caused cancer because everybody wanted money. But now we're finding out that some of those things weren't so bad, and while we did learn some things and the research wasn't necessarily a bad thing, we also found out that it wasn't as bad as we thought. Does that make sense? Things are rarely as bad as they seem.

[Icraig78]

they recycle em for dog food, makes for a greener earth and fuller dog.
Sweet, I didn't know that before.

[Kabong30]

they recycle em for dog food, makes for a greener earth and fuller dog.

Your dog food, my retirement plan.

[Joranthalus]

I'm not sure what you mean. What I'm saying is that the oil industry knows that it's days are basically numbered and they are diversifying into "green" industries. While everybody is busy applauding their action to save the planet they're laughing at us and making more money! And I'm not saying that we should be ashamed to make money, but let's not confuse the motivation for change. While I know that the people at the bottom of the heap crying for this change are altruistic and pure-hearted, they are also deceived, and wrong-headed. If you could get past your emotion on the issue you would see that it's a lot of BS. It's all about the money.

I'll probably get slammed for this one, but Michael Crichton said some very interesting things about this issue. The reason that so much research points to "Climate Change" is because that's how you get funding for your research. Back in the 80's it was cancer research and you couldn't get any money if your research didn't deal with cancer. So everything caused cancer because everybody wanted money. But now we're finding out that some of those things weren't so bad, and while we did learn some things and the research wasn't necessarily a bad thing, we also found out that it wasn't as bad as we thought. Does that make sense? Things are rarely as bad as they seem.

cancer's not at bad as it seems... got it.

[HoosierDaddy]

Screw away I say, Wal Marts great prices allow me and my family to live a very comfortable life style. Thank you Wal Mart.

As far as going green I don't really care. I think we should all be good stewards of our environment but frankly I'm sick of hearing about it and I'm sick of this man made global warming religion which is the biggest con of the century.

The earth is not some fragile eggshell planet precariously orbiting the sun on the brink of disaster. Mankind couldn't affect the weather on a global scale if all the nations joined together in a concerted effort to do so, much less destroy the planet by pumping the atmosphere full of plant food. The earth has survived countless disasters on a scale mankind has no ability to emulate.
Every time I read a post with such a perfect voice of reason such as this it is a beautiful thing. I'm just glad to know that their are still free thinkers with common sense out there such as you and I, among all the helpless sheeple. Kudos!

[Kabong30]

cancer's not at bad as it seems... got it.

Yes, exactly, you have skillfully gleened the meaning of what I said. NO! I'm saying that there was a ton of stuff that people were researching and said caused cancer and later we found out that it wasn't so bad. Nevermind the fact that you completely missed the point of what I said.

[Joranthalus]

define the "it" that you refer to, cuz it sounds like you're still saying that cancer's not so bad :D

[deadpoolcable]

[QUOTE=UKY-71;8269474]I dont want to burst your bubble, or take away the "win against the man" as it were, but the only thing that dictates anything Walmart does, is their bottom line. And the fact that they spend close to millions powering a single walmart a year is good enough incentive to reduce energy costs.

It does help the environment in theory (depending on how the supplied energy is produced). But that is more likely a correllary effect than anything else.[

what is the goal of ANY company? is it not to make money? i guess you are also unaware of the fact that wal-mart donates millions of dollars to charity every year. i guess you are also unaware of the fact that wal-mart donated millions of dollars worth of food and merchandise to people in new orleans after katrina. but are you also aware that a bottle of OJ in my walmart costs 31 cents less than my local supermarket. lol!

[deadpoolcable]

The pussificaton of America continues.

most wal-marts no longer carry firearms because of many reasons. 1st reason is that they lose more $ than they make. 2nd reason is the licensing is more of a pain than whats its worth. 3rd reason is many people complained about it. in fact, one customer in my wal-mart complained because we have an arcade game which you can shoot deer. crazy!

[Spliff]

i wanted to buy a bow and arrow, but the lady at wal-mart told me they only sell them there during the season. :(

[Spawnomite]

The only green WM ultimately cares about is $$$. Plain and simple.