The Official NASCAR Fan Thread- Texas Motor Speedway, TX (04/06/08) Race 7

[ajaxdog]

Ya ... and I had to double up on him to boot.

[avsfan21]

Really nice with the BP though. I bet that would fetch a decent price right now.

[Leafsfan1967]

Nice pulls Aaron! :eek: Gots to get me some of that Dale Sr sugar! :eek: Is that new product, or older stuff? Haven't been following racing cards yet this season,but will soon. :D

[Leafsfan1967]

OMG What a finish to the Truck race. 3 wide for the win.

I just finished watching it on tape! Wow what a finish at the stripe! :eek:

[Dirty Mo Posse]

OK I got around to craking 2 boxes of Legends Press Pass and did pretty well.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/ajaxdog/img146.jpg


.

Nice BP!! :( :(

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Intimidating legacy

By Jerry Bonkowski,

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. – It's a date that never will be celebrated, nor will it be forgotten: Feb. 18, 2001.

That day rocked NASCAR to its core. Whether you loved him or hated him, you couldn't help but have been shocked at how Dale Earnhardt, the iron man of stock car racing, the guy everyone thought was indestructible, lost his life.

On the final lap of the world's biggest race, the Daytona 500, with the checkered flag waving in the distance, the man whose nickname of The Intimidator instilled fear and apprehension into almost every one of his competitors, crashed his notorious black No. 3 race car in Turn 4 and, just like that, was gone.

It wasn't even one of those spectacular, fiery crashes that make the highlight reels. But it was enough.

Earnhardt's death was front-page news worldwide for several days. It spawned high profile investigations, court fights over autopsy photos and the development and adoption of unprecedented safety measures. Its impact, in a sense, still can be felt today as Earnhardt's widow Teresa and his son Dale Earnhardt Jr. battle for control of his company, Dale Earnhardt Inc.

The fascination with all things Earnhardt just doesn't seem to want to fade.

This is especially true each time February rolls around, as NASCAR fans inevitably focus on Speedweeks and the Daytona 500, and yet another anniversary of Earnhardt's death. This perhaps is even more relevant at this year's running of the Great American Race.

For while this Feb. 18 marks the sixth anniversary of Earnhardt's death, it will be the first time since 2001 that notable date falls on a Sunday – and therefore also is the first time the Daytona 500 will be run on the actual anniversary.

And with it, all the recollections of that fateful day return to us, from Earnhardt's bold prerace prediction on Fox TV that we would "see something you've never seen before" to Darrell Waltrip's tear-filled stretch run call of brother Michael's victory, to Waltrip's haunting plea a few seconds later of "How's Dale? Is Dale OK?"

Come Sunday, will those of us in attendance at Daytona and the millions more watching on TV crane our necks to stare at Turn 4 and the exact spot where Earnhardt was killed? Will we watch Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s every move in the garage, the pits and ultimately behind the wheel, knowing what the memory of this day means to him, wondering how it may weigh upon his mind?

Will fans again hold three fingers in the air in tribute? Will we allow or minds to wander three more years back to Feb. 15, 1998, when Earnhardt, after 19 years of disappointment and frustration at a track he otherwise owned and dominated, finally tamed the Daytona 500?

All that and more will be part of NASCAR's collective consciousness Sunday, but there also is a new opportunity this year to remember and honor Earnhardt.

The recently-released movie "Dale" – endorsed by the Earnhardt family – brings memories and recollections flooding back to us in a way that will almost make it feel like the Man In Black is still around.

And for all those new NASCAR fans who have attached themselves to the sport since Earnhardt's death – either via Dale Earnhardt Jr. or the unprecedented growth the sport has enjoyed – I highly recommend everyone see the film to get a taste of who Earnhardt truly was.

Sure, he was an old cuss at times. He was a guy his fans loved with a passion reserved for a spouse, and one non-fans loved to hate but still respected for being who he was and possessing the talent he did.

But the seven-time Cup champion also had a soft side that many people rarely saw – and "Dale" will help many come to realize just the kind of person Earnhardt really was deep down inside. He may have been a fierce competitor, but he also had a deep and giving heart.

Earnhardt's presence can be felt every race weekend. At every Nextel Cup race are trailers dedicated exclusively to Earnhardt merchandise. There are new t-shirts, caps, jackets and other memorabilia with different schemes released at the beginning of each season – leading some to believe that Earnhardt's name, image and memory are being used as nothing more than a cash cow for DEI.

Regardless of intent, the fact is Earnhardt still sells – and likely will continue to sell for many years to come. It just goes to show that his legion of fans have not, and likely never will, forget him.

Earnhardt will live on much like Elvis Presley, who will be dead 30 years this year but continues to be alive in the hearts and minds of many. Both were icons, and both are gone, but the memories and legacies remain.

Feb. 18, 2001 is one of those days that makes NASCAR fans and beyond recall exactly where they were when they saw the crash that killed Earnhardt, or where they first heard the news. If you were a NASCAR fan, time invariably stopped and the world stood still.

Sunday will be six years to the day that the grizzled, mustachioed face and spirit of NASCAR left us. It's the one day of the year we know is highlighted on the calendar, but we'd rather forget why.

:D

Posse

[Bronko]

Whoooooo! Harvick gets his first win at Daytona :D:D. Now let's go sweep :p.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Whoooooo! Harvick gets his first win at Daytona :D:D. Now let's go sweep :p.

Cool!!

Anything of interest happen in the race??

Where did Jr finish??

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

can't wait for tomorrow - I have my schedule clean to sit my arse in front of the TV all day

[Dirty Mo Posse]

can't wait for tomorrow - I have my schedule clean to sit my arse on the TV all day

If you sit your arse on the TV how are you gonna see??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D

Posse

[ramos]

Cool!!

Anything of interest happen in the race??

Where did Jr finish??

:D

Posse

Not really. Montoya blew up early in the race. And there was a mini big one. The cars were all over the track though. Handling was a real issue today.

[ramos]

June Bug finished 7th.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Not really. Montoya blew up early in the race. And there was a mini big one. The cars were all over the track though. Handling was a real issue today.

Cool!! Thanks!!! :cool: :cool:

June Bug finished 7th.

How did his car look???

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

If you sit your arse on the TV how are you gonna see??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D

Posse

LOL!!! Good question - :D

[Dirty Mo Posse]

LOL!!! Good question - :D

;)

Posse

[ramos]

Cool!! Thanks!!! :cool: :cool:



How did his car look???

:D

Posse

It was red with four tires on it.:D I dont think he led at all today. He got a little damage earlier in the race which might have affected him. I think I remember him in the top 5 at one point but that was about it. I guess he's saving everything for the 500.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

It was red with four tires on it.:D I dont think he led at all today. He got a little damage earlier in the race which might have affected him. I think I remember him in the top 5 at one point but that was about it. I guess he's saving everything for the 500.

According to NASCAR.COM he led 8 laps!!

Did it look like this:

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/95/fullj.getty-73349475rm079_orbitz_300_4_10_33_pm.jpg

:D

Posse

[R. Giles]

He hit the wall 2 times said so himself

[avsfan21]

Well I get to try out Hot Pass tomorrow. Too bad I dont think they have any good cars. I mean who really wants Michael Waltrip. You would think for the preview week they would want all the big names like Gordon.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

He hit the wall 2 times said so himself

Yeah Jr admits when he screws up!! ;) ;)

LOL

Sorry...................... Couldn't resist!! :o :o

:D

Psose

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Well I get to try out Hot Pass tomorrow. Too bad I dont think they have any good cars. I mean who really wants Michael Waltrip. You would think for the preview week they would want all the big names like Gordon.

They normally have 7-8 drivers per race don't they????

Who else are they showing besides Mikey???

:D

Posse

[exanimate]

I get Hot Pass tomorrow, thanks to my wonderful Canadian satellite system.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

I get Hot Pass tomorrow, thanks to my wonderful Canadian satellite system.

Yep!!!

Me too!!!

:D

Posse

[R. Giles]

I don't believe I do

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Sunday, February 18, 2007
Daytona 500 - NASCAR HotPass
Driver Mix 3:30 pm 794
Tony Stewart #20 3:30 pm 795
Jimmie Johnson #48 3:30 pm 796
Kevin Harvick #29 3:30 pm 797
Michael Waltrip #55 3:30 pm 798
Dale Earnhardt Jr. #8 3:30 pm 799

Here are the drivers.

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

wish they would offer something like Hot Pass over the net for us non-satellite types

[Dirty Mo Posse]

wish they would offer something like Hot Pass over the net for us non-satellite types


Doesn't NASCAR.COM have that Track Pass option???? Isn't that like the same thing??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D

Posse

[avsfan21]

Well last year it was like only one cable company that had it. Then this year they signed the deal with Directtv.

[avsfan21]

They have a free preview weekend as well on the nascar.com tracking stuff.

[BELKY27]

They have a free preview weekend as well on the nascar.com tracking stuff.


Problem is, I don't like watching the computer when the race is on TV.

[BELKY27]

I SMELL SWEEP!!!!


Then Stewart will win. :D

[sremmaz]

It looks like sirius will carry all the driver/crew chatter - they have a free 3day preview - so I signed up and will be listening to JR's chatter tomorrow. Thankfully I have tivo so I should be able to sync up decent

[Sinsightful]

I know all the teams cheat. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin' as they say.
The thing is, its ingenuity until you get caught, then its CHEATING. I know it doesn't make sense, but that is just how it is.
And if you break the rules, its cheating.....there was a rule against that part being too low.....and Gordon didn't get penalized....the Evernham cars didn't break any rule whatsoever....they just misinterpreted the rules......and they did get penalized.
Now, after you guys confirm this, please tell me how that isn't favortism?

[Sinsightful]

Doesn't NASCAR.COM have that Track Pass option???? Isn't that like the same thing??? :confused: :confused: :confused:

:D

Posse

from what i understand, the HOTPASS is actual video feed from in car cameras

whats on Nascar looks more like a video game....pretty cool looking but I would rather have whats on DirecTV.
I have Dish Network so not all satellite systems have HOTPASS.

[avsfan21]

Well what is the difference between breaking the rule and misinterpreting a rule, if it is still illegal? I havent really paid attention to all the things that were getting penalties for so I dont know what the did. Gordon did get penalized. He had to drop the the back of the pack to start the race. It might not be a lose of money or points but it is still a penalty from where he was starting of 4th.

[sub4]

I SMELL SWEEP!!!!

Actually, what you are smelling is Jeremy Mayfield opening up Sterling Marlin's coach and farting in it. How's about that for Waste Management Marlin??? :p

[sub4]

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

"Dag'um dag'on dang'um bug eyed dummy dag'um dun farted in mah daag'um couch!"

LMAO...I dag'um betcha that is exactly what Marlin would say.

[Sinsightful]

avsfan, what I mean is, that Sadler and Riggs didn't break or misinterpret the rule because there wasn't a rule until Nascar caught them.....Sadler said this on Trackside the other night.
and for Gordon being penalized? I hardly think dropping back to the back on a plate race is even close to fines and point deductions.

[Sinsightful]

one of the teams in the LuckyDog Yahoo site has a website listed for everyone to check out:
www.p10select.com
While I was looking that one over, I saw a link to www.TVRacer.com, this one is pretty cool. Not only does it list all the Nascar-related races on that site but it also deals with just about any type of racing programs....everything from Daytona 500 champ on Letterman to Moonshining on National Geographic.
I thought it was cool and I'm sure a number of you would want to know about this.

[sremmaz]

4hrs to go bump... I signed up for TrackPass Scanner on Nascar.com - so I'll be listening on my laptop in the living room

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Just over an hour to go!!!!

:D

Posse

[Bronko]

Since I was bored I decided to dig up some statistics for the 500.

Drivers today who have won a Cup race at Daytona:
Jeff Gordon- 6
Dale Jarrett- 4
Sterling Marlin- 3
Michael Waltrip- 3
Dale Earnhardt Jr- 2
Tony Stewart- 2
Greg Biffle- 1
Jeff Burton- 1
Jimmie Johnson- 1

Drivers today who have a 500 win:
Jeff Gordon- 3 ('97, '99, '05)
Dale Jarrett- 3 ('93, '96, '00)
Sterling Marlin- 2 ('94, '95)
Michael Waltrip- 2 ('01, '03)
Dale Earnhardt Jr- 1 ('04)
Jimmie Johnson- 1 ('06)

Drivers with most starts and no Daytona Cup win:
Ricky Rudd- 58 (7 top fives, 21 top tens, 1 pole, 46 laps led, Best 500: 3rd in '81)

Kyle Petty- 50 (2 top fives, 8 top tens, 1 pole, 105 laps led, Best 500: 6th in '92)
Ken Schrader- 44 (7 top fives, 22 top tens, 3 poles, 298 laps led, Best 500: 2nd in '89)
Mark Martin- 43 (8 top fives, 15 top tens, 1 pole, 215 laps led, Best 500: 3rd in '95)
Bobby Labonte- 28 (5 top fives, 8 top tens, 2 poles, 66 laps led, Best 500: 2nd in '98)
Joe Nemechek- 25 (0 top fives, 2 top tens, 1 pole, 12 laps led, Best 500: 6th in '04)

[Leafsfan1967]

Kelly Clarkson needs to start saying no to Krispy Kreme!!!!!! :eek:

[Dirty Mo Posse]

The BUDWEISER is on Ice!!!!

Lets Get This Party Started!!!!

May the best Jr win!!!!

:D

Posse

[R. Giles]

Nascar wonders why ratings keep falling, this crap is horrible.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Nascar wonders why ratings keep falling, this crap is horrible.

No Crap!!!!!

Let's GO RACIN!!!!!

:D

Posse

[deogg]

Right now there are only 7 words I want to hear:

BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY, LET'S GO RACIN BOYS!!!!!!!! *yes I'm one of those that actually LIKES boogity boogity boogity lol*


Longer version:
Get Kelly off of the stage and start the flippin race!!!!!!!

[BELKY27]

Kelly Clarkson needs to start saying no to Krispy Kreme!!!!!! :eek:


My daughter was watching and said, " She's got a big but." :D

[pbspectre]

wow...anyone else hear the 'Ironman' riff in the middle of that last song?? that's just wrong...:spawnskul :mad:

[deogg]

My daughter was watching and said, " She's got a big but." :D

If there is a mini-concert that absolutely nobdoy gives a rat's arse about before next week's race, it should be Sir Mix-A-Lot singing "Baby Got Back" and dedicate it to Kelly!

[BELKY27]

Race time. I am picking Stewart to win. I know, not reaching to far out there. Who do you guys think will win the race today.

[sremmaz]

I like Boogity boogity boogity....

Let's go racing boys.. pull them shoulder straps tight and lets get this thing rolling

[sremmaz]

I am going with

Dale Jr or Kasey Kahne to win

[deogg]

My thinking with my head pick would be Tony
My sentimental pick would be Reutimann.

[R. Giles]

oh my god nascar might actually let them race.

[DonJuanHomer]

I hope Labonte can suprise some peeps, but I think Stewart will win...

[deogg]

Okay, Big & Rich is doing better with the National Anthem than I really expected.

[BELKY27]

My thinking with my head pick would be Tony
My sentimental pick would be Reutimann.


That would be hard for the NASCAR core old timers. Having Toyota win the Daytona in it's first race.

[deogg]

That would be hard for the NASCAR core old timers. Having Toyota win the Daytona in it's first race.

True, but I also work for Domino's hence why I said Reutimann lol.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

I too am going with Smoke to win the 500 and CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Mind you I won't be upset if Dale Jr does either of those too!!

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

15 minutes to go

[pbspectre]

That would be hard for the NASCAR core old timers. Having Toyota win the Daytona in it's first race.

on the flip side of that, kinda sad what DW said, how the Camry's the only car in this race that's actually made in this country... :(

[Leafsfan1967]

My picks

1. #20
2. #29
3. #48

[Bronko]

I'm calling Montoya as the darkhorse, or (and I shudder at the thought) one of the Busch brothers.

I want to be happy today Kevin, make it happen :D.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Gentlemen................ Start YOUR Engines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D

Posse

[deogg]

And with the command to fire engines, winter is OFFICIALLY over!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DonJuanHomer]

ooo how dramatic Cage made that sound.....

[Dirty Mo Posse]

My picks

1. #20
2. #29
3. #48

My Picks

1. Smoke
2. Dale jr
3. Kurt Busch

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

here is how Zam is enjoying the race

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t196/sremmaz/zamsleep.jpg

[DonJuanHomer]

Remember those with DirectTV you get a free weekend of the HotPass, the Drivers are Stewart, Johnson, Earnhardt Jr., Waltrip, and Harvick....

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Alright Boys!!!

I am outta here!!!

Gotta couple NICE COLD Budweisers and a Big Screen TV waiting!!!

Lets hope for a clean race, don't want to see ANY of the Big Boys go out early for something stupid!!!!

Good Luck to all those in the NASCAR Pool!!

May the BEST POSSE win!!!

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

did anyone else sign up for the 14day pitcommand scanner on nascar.com?

I hear nothing yet

[absoluteXhatred]

I thought trackpass was free today? What gives?

[DonJuanHomer]

I thought trackpass was free today? What gives?

I think that was only for the Bud SHootout, you can get a free weekend of the RaceView but you can only follow Casey Mears....

http://www.nascar.com/promos/national_guard/raceview/index.html

[deogg]

Time to pull them belts tight!!!!!!

BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY!!! LET'S GO RACIN' BOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sremmaz]

OK got the audio working - it didn't like Mozilla so I switched to IE and am loving this... great audio

[absoluteXhatred]

Damn it. Can't get the Casey Mears feed up. Anyone know anywhere you can at least listen online to the radio feed?

[Bronko]

Boris brings out the first caution.

[sremmaz]

Man JR - doesnt say a whole hell of a lot on the radio - I switched to some of the other drivers and they talk up a storm

[sremmaz]

looks like it is about 15 seconds behind the TV feed - I may have to switch to downstairs where I can sync it with Tivo

[Bronko]

Kurt Busch is blocking all over the track.

[sremmaz]

Listening to JPM and he is saying that the #6 is not working well with him, so he is just going to stay behind him and try and push him to get up to the pack of 5 in front of them.

Also have heard several drivers complaining about the wind - say its pretty bad

[sremmaz]

this coverage sucks

They have had a caution and the drivers are already on pit road before they come back

[Bronko]

Problems for Tony on pitroad and it's capped off by a speeding ticket.

[sremmaz]

that Goodwrench commercial was awesome until I saw they were advertising the movie.

[avsfan21]

I am not a huge fan of Hot Pass.

[sremmaz]

I'm loving this Trackpass scanner stuff... Now that I am down in the room with the tivo and I am sync'ed up it rocks

[sremmaz]

what the hell - studio shots DURING the race... gimme a break

[Bronko]

Well who didn't see that coming?

[DonJuanHomer]

Looks like I will be off to a bad start for this years Fantasy Racing.....

[deogg]

Good job Kurt ********

[Bronko]

The two dominating cars are done, so who is going to step up? Ky Busch, Truex, Sauter, and Stremme all at the top.

[sremmaz]

how is that Kurts fault? Tony got loose and probably let up a bit... that is not kurts fault - in my opinion... its just one of those racing things

[trustno1]

Damnit!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Tony's done!!!!!!:mad:

[deogg]

Kurt just admitted to bumping Tony. I'll give the man props there. At least he pulled no punches about it.

[DonJuanHomer]

There was nothing Kurt to do, like DW said if he was to slam on his brakes an slow up in time than more than likely Kyle would have been in the back of Kurt...

[Leafsfan1967]

how is that Kurts fault? Tony got loose and probably let up a bit... that is not kurts fault - in my opinion... its just one of those racing things


Totally agree, and I had Stewart today! Looking for Mark Martin to step up, and take this! C'mon old man! :D

[lloydchristmas81]

Crap....there goes 2 of my four fantasy drivers.

[Leafsfan1967]

I feel the big one coming on with everyone grouped together!!! :eek:

[deogg]

I just went from:
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Johnson in the wall*
to:
SONOFABISCUIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *Reutimann caught in it

in record time! lol

[Bronko]

Who had JJ in the big one pool? He comes through once again.

[lloydchristmas81]

I feel the big one coming on with everyone grouped together!!! :eek:

Was that the big one? Now I'm down to one driver left. JJ


Didn't need to see that guy getting run over. OUCH!!!!!!!

[Leafsfan1967]

Well, I think that takes care of all my picks, including the ones I didn't activate! :mad: I have Kyle Busch. I may have one left! :o

[DonJuanHomer]

I still have Kyle Busch, Waltrip, and that Guilland (sp) kid...

Did anyone else notice how lucky Labonte was on the crash, Johnson slid right up behind him.....

[Leafsfan1967]

Junior looks like he's gonna take it! ;) GO ARMY GO!!!!!

[trustno1]

C'mon Mark, bring it home for all of us old guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[deogg]

C'mon Mark, bring it home for all of us old guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Part of me is STILL gonna do backflips if Mark pulls this one off! Honestly, I could handle ANY of that top 3 (Mark, Biffle, or Kenseth) winning.

[RoninJai]

SO nice of Jimmie to tell us all he's okay, and then once again not apologize or take any responsibility for wrecking 5-6 other cars.

[Leafsfan1967]

Oh yeah! I have Schrader! SOB!!!!!!! :mad: This is getting rediculous! :(

[Bronko]

At least Mark isn't as bad as some of those guys up there.

[Tommytuna34]

all these good racers are crashing...

[DonJuanHomer]

I know it will get old, but that commercial w/ Johnson and Sadler is hilarious....In hind sight, maybe Johnson should have listened to Sadler.... :) :p

[lloydchristmas81]

Go Mark Martin.

[deogg]

For the love of God ANYONE but a Hendrick driver!!!!!!!

*shorter version* anyone but Busch

[avsfan21]

There goes Jr. All the favorites are wrecking.

[deogg]

There was the semi-Big One.

Jr's out

[trustno1]

Now THAT was the BIG one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trustno1]

Looks like Mark's gonna take it under yellow.

[lloydchristmas81]

WOW.....5 lap shoot out.

[avsfan21]

Wow I am off to a horrible start as well this year. My highest driver is in the 20s.

[deogg]

Looks like Mark's gonna take it under yellow.

No. They'll be doing green-white-checkered once they clean it all up. If there's a yellow during that, THEN Mark would win it.

[Bronko]

Watch out for that Shell car, he's getting closer.

[avsfan21]

Would be funny to see if Martin wins. All he had to do to win the 500 is get away from Roush.

[Leafsfan1967]

I just don't get how Nascar can think this is good racing!!! :confused: I'm sick, and tired of watching smash up derby at the Daytona 500. :rolleyes: Every year it's the same over, and over. :mad: The only thing that will make this better is for the racing gods to somehow let the #01 car win this race. :)

[DonJuanHomer]

Hate to say it but that accident helped me, Moves Gilliand and Waltrip up some more spots and gives Kyle Busch a shot to take the checker flag....

[avsfan21]

They really should start this race sooner. 3:30 est is a bit late.

[deogg]

They really should start this race sooner. 3:30 est is a bit late.

Well, if they'd cut out all the CRAP *aka Kelly Clarkson* they could have started the race a LOT sooner. Way too much prerace BS.

[avsfan21]

I am sure that McMurray would have rather gone through the ride on Fox 3D since the car never touched the wall.

[Bronko]

They really should start this race sooner. 3:30 est is a bit late.

This is what Fox dreams of though, end of race drama on primetime television.

[avsfan21]

I really hate this Krista chick, she really has no clue what she is talking about.

[deogg]

Well, here we go.

[Bronko]

I like her a lot better than Jeanie Zelasko.

[DonJuanHomer]

Feel bad for Mark, but Wow what a finish!!!!!

[Leafsfan1967]

SON OF A *****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deogg]

WHERE THE HELL WAS THE YELLOW FLAG????????????????????????

[trustno1]

:mad::mad::mad:

[Bronko]

WE DID IT!!!!!!!! WE WON THE DAYTONA 500!!!

[deogg]

The yellow flag should have dropped when the wreck happened.

Mark got screwed.

Good job NasCRAP. Screw over another driver.

[spurs_funatic]

Wow!@ What a finish!

[R. Giles]

The person i hate the most in nascar wins cause they don't throw a caution and mark slows up.

[deogg]

Nascar once again does what they do best: screwing over drivers.

[trustno1]

Mark's still a class act!!!!

[ROD]

the best finishes i've seen. i was hoping for mark. still a great race, nothing boring about it

[ogrjmj]

that was exciting!!

[deogg]

Mark's still a class act!!!!

Unlike the piece of trash in Victory Lane who fraudulently gets the win.

[spurs_funatic]

They were already coming up on the finish line when the wreck started. I don't see how not throwing the yellow flag was wrong. By the time they'd have gotten it out, the winner would've already crossed the line.

[deogg]

According the Nascrap's own rulebook:

The yellow flag is to drop when a wreck happens. They decide scoring based on where they were at the time the caution drops. They did away with racing to the yellow flag.

[DonJuanHomer]

Not to play devil's advocate but the wreck did begin in turn 4 on the last lap. I applaud them on letting the 2 man drag it out to the finish line....

[trustno1]

Unlike the piece of trash in Victory Lane who fraudulently gets the win.

True, unfortunately.

[spurs_funatic]

Not to play devil's advocate but the wreck did begin in turn 4 on the last lap. I applaud them on letting the 2 man drag it out to the finish line....
That's exactly what I was saying. The wreck happened coming out of the last turn just before the finish line. They didn't really even have time to bring out the yellow.

[deogg]

That's exactly what I was saying. The wreck happened coming out of the last turn just before the finish line. They didn't really even have time to bring out the yellow.

Yes they did. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out IMMEDIATELY. Period.

[ramos]

Wooooo! What a finish! It was exciting no matter who was in it.

[avsfan21]

Well they didnt race to the yellow flag, because the flag hadnt been displayed yet. It is Nascars call when or if to throw the yellow flag.

[Leafsfan1967]

The caution should of dropped as soon as the #5 got sideways, but they decided to let them finish, so what can you do? :(

[deogg]

NasCRAP screws up yet again.

[ramos]

I had Jr. and Kurt today but this victory will help me get over it.:D

[DonJuanHomer]

Yes they did. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out IMMEDIATELY. Period.

once again it was turn 4 on the last lap. Throwing the yellow would have cheated the fans out of an exciting finish and cheapen'd(sp) the win if Mark did take the yellow.....

[avsfan21]

According to Fox I have 19th, 23rd, 29th and 32nd.

Woohoo what a great day in Fantasy. :rolleyes:

[deogg]

Man quit yer crying it was turn 4 on the last lap. Throwing the yellow would have cheated the fans out of an exciting finish and cheapen'd(sp) the win if Mark did take the yellow.....

Nascar BLEW THE CALL. Period. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out IMMEDIATELY. Not when they decide to get their heads out of their butts and get the freakin flag. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out and the field is frozen in their current position. They did away with this racing to the yellow BS.

[deogg]

once again it was turn 4 on the last lap. Throwing the yellow would have cheated the fans out of an exciting finish and cheapen'd(sp) the win if Mark did take the yellow.....

No, it would have ended according to Nascrap's own rules.

[sremmaz]

I think it was a great call by NASCAR not to throw the yellow.

It did no harm in not throwing it, and it made for an exciting finish.

Unfortunately Mark came out short - but Kevin had the run and had him beat before they started stacking up behind him, so why should he get the short end of it.

I was happy with either guy winning - I really would have liked to see Mark, but hey Kevin is cool too.

[spurs_funatic]

Well, I'm not such a huge fan of racing that I'm gonna argue over that finish. I do like the way they let it play thru though. I mean c'mon, the wreck was so close to the finish that one of them crossed on their roof!

[DonJuanHomer]

Nascar BLEW THE CALL. Period. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out IMMEDIATELY. Not when they decide to get their heads out of their butts and get the freakin flag. When a wreck happens, the caution comes out and the field is frozen in their current position. They did away with this racing to the yellow BS.

Boo hoo, let me ask you this. If Harvick didn't win and one of the other drivers won, would you still be *****ing and moaning....

[avsfan21]

What you need to ask is If it was Martin going on the outside of Gordon or Johnson in the same situation would he be crying about it now?

[deogg]

Boo hoo, let me ask you this. If Harvick didn't win and one of the other drivers won, would you still be *****ing and moaning....

If it ended in the same fraudulent way, absolutely.

It wouldn't matter if Mark was in Harvick's place and Boris Said was in Mark's. I'd STILL (and legitimately) say Boris got screwed.

[DonJuanHomer]

If it ended in the same fraudulent way, absolutely.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[deogg]

What you need to ask is If it was Martin going on the outside of Gordon or Johnson in the same situation would he be crying about it now?

See my reply above.

[lloydchristmas81]

what a finish...wish Mark woulda won

[avsfan21]

See my reply above.

I call bull**** then. I promise you that if Martin beat Gordon or Johnson the same way you would give a second thought about why Nascar didnt throw the yellow.

[ROD]

i always liked the racing back to the line, when a wreck happens, hated it when they outlawed it. but this does go against the rules regardless of who wins or loses. still a great race. the best daytona i've probably ever seen.

[deogg]

I call bull**** then. I promise you that if Martin beat Gordon or Johnson the same way you would give a second thought about why Nascar didnt throw the yellow.

I call BS on your BS. For one simple reason:

The engine under Mark's hood comes from Hendrick.

[deogg]

i always liked the racing back to the line, when a wreck happens, hated it when they outlawed it. but this does go against the rules regardless of who wins or loses. still a great race. the best daytona i've probably ever seen.

Bingo.

[DonJuanHomer]

According of the unofficial results from Fox, my drivers ended up 8th, 24th, 30th & 42nd. Before the wreck I had 2 drivers in the top 5.....

[avsfan21]

I call BS on your BS. For one simple reason:

The engine under Mark's hood comes from Hendrick.

I believe that most in the thead know you would be more like thank god someone beat the hendrick cars.

[deogg]

I believe that most in the thead know you would be more like thank god someone beat the hendrick cars.

Not saying I wouldn't LIKE seeing Hendrick get screwed. But if they were the victim of a screwjob like this, I'd flat out say it.

[Bronko]

It's the biggest race of the season and Nascar let the drivers determine the win between themselves and not by freezing the field 100 yards away from the finish line.

[BELKY27]

My drivers came in 8th, 16th, 26th and 42nd. Got some work to do. it sucks for Martin. But a caution would have spoiled a great ending.

[BELKY27]

Mark was never a Champion because he drives to clean. I believe the only recent clean champion was Labonte. If they rub tires, he may have stayed in front of Harvick.

[BELKY27]

The new NASCAR.com site sucks.

[DonJuanHomer]

Mark was never a Champion because he drives to clean. I believe the only recent clean champion was Labonte...

Thanks for the compliment towards my driver, that was an awesome year for me as a Nascar fan....

The new NASCAR.com site sucks.

Word, it seems like they are trying to put too much on the front page. Way overkill and way too flashy....

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Wow!!!!

That was quite an eventful race!!!!

Congrats to Kevin, he reminded me of Dale Jr cutting through the field in the 2003 Dega race!!!

I feel Bad for Martin, would have liked to have seen him finally get the 500 win!!!

Tough day for my boys Dale jr, Truex Jr & Smoke!!

Oh, well look on the Bright Side!!!

Racing is Back!!!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Tough day In The Pool!!

8th
11th
41st
42nd!!

:(

Posse

[BELKY27]

[quote=Dirty Mo Posse;6643949Oh, well look on the Bright Side!!!

Racing is Back!!!!

:D

Posse[/quote]


Well. I will say that when they get to the short tracks. I just believe there is more racing then compaired to the large tracks.

[BELKY27]

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/51/fullj.getty-73349458mh051_daytona_500_7_51_26_pm.jpg

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Cool Looking Picture!!!

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/0d/fullj.getty-73349458rm097_daytona_500_6_59_05_pm.jpg

:D

Posse

[Collector-of-stuff]

My thoughts on the race today.


The finish....gotta say that by the rules, Martin should have been the winner...but I've never liked not racing back to the flag. Kyle Bush is the biggest idiot in racing...learn some patience! Matt Kenseth causes more wrecks than any other driver....and rarely ever gets caught up in the mess he creates. Am I the only one who thought that Kurt Bush could have lifted and avoided taking Stewart and himself out of the race? I was very impressed with David Gilliland and thought Ricky Rudd deserved better than what he had happen to him. All in all...a good race and a fitting ending to a controversial week.

[Bronko]

No my friend, this is a cool pic :p

http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/sp/getty/93/fullj.getty-73349458sc117_daytona_500_7_42_44_pm.jpg

[ramos]

Its a good thing for those big names like Jr,Stewart,Johnson etc that the NASCAR season is a marathon and not a sprint or they would be in big trouble early. Next week we get to see that cookie cutter crap that bores me to death.

[DonJuanHomer]

Next week we get to see that cookie cutter crap that bores me to death.

Word, they need to get rid of the 1.5 mile tracks and add more short tracks and road courses....

[Collector-of-stuff]

Its a good thing for those big names like Jr,Stewart,Johnson etc that the NASCAR season is a marathon and not a sprint or they would be in big trouble early. Next week we get to see that cookie cutter crap that bores me to death.

See, in my opinion, it's Daytona and Talledega that bore me to death. You can't break away from the idiots and it takes most of the skill right out of the equation. Give me Richmond, Martinsville, Sears Point and Pocono anyday.....and while you're at it....bring back the Rock and North Wilksboro.

[ramos]

Word, they need to get rid of the 1.5 mile tracks and add more short tracks and road courses....

I dont know why so many of those 1.5 tracks are popular with the powers that be.

See, in my opinion, it's Daytona and Talledega that bore me to death. You can't break away from the idiots and it takes most of the skill right out of the equation. Give me Richmond, Martinsville, Sears Point and Pocono anyday.....and while you're at it....bring back the Rock and North Wilksboro.

Richmond is my favorite track because its big enough to get some good speeds but small enough to give you some good action as well. I was there for the first time 2 years ago and loved every lap. I agree with you as far as bringing back the Rock but I could care less if they filled Pocono with water and called it a day.

[Collector-of-stuff]

I agree with you as far as bringing back the Rock but I could care less if they filled Pocono with water and called it a day.



Really? I love the configuration of Pocono.....and love the way the fan out 4 and 5 wide on that Long pond straightaway.

[ramos]

Really? I love the configuration of Pocono.....and love the way the fan out 4 and 5 wide on that Long pond straightaway.

The 5 wide thing is cool but I just dont like it being a 500 mile race. It takes about 6 hours to run the thing.

[Collector-of-stuff]

The 5 wide thing is cool but I just dont like it being a 500 mile race. It takes about 6 hours to run the thing.

True...it is a long race....big attrition rate as well.

[Leafsfan1967]

Here's my opinion on the finish, and what should of happened. It was Nascar who made the "No racing back to the caution", so they have strategically placed points on each track in which they guage who the leader is at the closest point when the yellow drops. The problem is they decided not to drop the caution flag when Busch was spinning, which IMO was wrong. The caution should of flew at that point. The question then would of been was it Harvick, or Martin who would be in the lead at that point, and it very well may have been Harvick anyways depending on when it flew, and at what part of the track. That is what should of happened, but they decided not to drop the caution. It may not of mattered one way, or another, but they should of had the caution immediately. Nascar got it wrong. Sorry, but they set the rules, and should follow them. :(

[trustno1]

Should have been an inquiry into the finish. I mean, if they can do it in horse-racing, why not in NASCAR?

[avsfan21]

Nascar follow their own rules? When have they ever done that?

[Leafsfan1967]

Nascar follow their own rules? When have they ever done that?

Exactly my point! They want to get all serious in the rules crackdown on the race cars, but they can't follow their own race rules? :rolleyes: Like I tried to say above, it may not of even mattered if Harvick was already ahead of Martin should the caution had dropped when it was suppose to be, but they should of got it right in the first place. The starter should be fired. :D Just joking, he's probably a voluteer anyways! :)

[avsfan21]

I doubt he is a Volunteer, but is is the people in race control that decide when or if to throw the caution. The flag man just does it when he gets the ok for it.

[Leafsfan1967]

I doubt he is a Volunteer, but is is the people in race control that decide when or if to throw the caution. The flag man just does it when he gets the ok for it.

Well it happened right in front of him, so he should of been ready damn it! :p I think they were waiting to see if Clint Bowyer could correct the spin he was in...................................on his roof!!!! :rolleyes:

[Leafsfan1967]

Yippeee! I got 128 fantasy points, which is more than I thought I was getting! :eek:

[avsfan21]

I got a total of 174. I think the highest is saw was just over 200. Bad week for everyone pretty much.

[ramos]

144 for me:o

[Bronko]

Here's my opinion on the finish, and what should of happened. It was Nascar who made the "No racing back to the caution", so they have strategically placed points on each track in which they guage who the leader is at the closest point when the yellow drops. The problem is they decided not to drop the caution flag when Busch was spinning, which IMO was wrong. The caution should of flew at that point. The question then would of been was it Harvick, or Martin who would be in the lead at that point, and it very well may have been Harvick anyways depending on when it flew, and at what part of the track. That is what should of happened, but they decided not to drop the caution. It may not of mattered one way, or another, but they should of had the caution immediately. Nascar got it wrong. Sorry, but they set the rules, and should follow them. :(

Some good points, but imagine the controversy if Harvick was ahead of Martin when the flag came out but Martin gets credited with the win due to the last timing pylon. Think Gordon/Earnhardt Jr at Dega, and what chaos that caused. I think there would be controversy no matter what they did, but this was the least controversial thing to do....just let them race the last few yards to the line and decide it amongst themselves.

[DonJuanHomer]

If these points are official than it looks like Team Lowe's Racing (Irish Flyers) is our first week winner with 204... I myself had 188, looks like I will be bout 6th place +/-

[avsfan21]

Nah they would use the video to determine who was ahead and not the last scoring pylon. They only do that during the race. The finishers are determined by the video to see who is ahead of who.

[trustno1]

I still wish Mark had won it (for we "oldsters" here), but I have to say that a race to the finish IS more exciting. That being said, NASCAR has to follow their own rules.

Do y'all see how divided I am on this?:confused:

[Gooker1]

Wow!! An amazing race! Sweet pass just, all speed on that one. I was rooting for Mark to win it. Dang that was close!

[Leafsfan1967]

Some good points, but imagine the controversy if Harvick was ahead of Martin when the flag came out but Martin gets credited with the win due to the last timing pylon. Think Gordon/Earnhardt Jr at Dega, and what chaos that caused. I think there would be controversy no matter what they did, but this was the least controversial thing to do....just let them race the last few yards to the line and decide it amongst themselves.

I'm all for letting them race to the line too, but that is not the way Nascar has decided to do things. They need to be consistant in the way things are done. The rules shouldn't change race to race, or driver to driver. That is all we ask as fans. I would of loved to have seen Mark Martin win that race, but only if it was because of the way the rules are in place. The wreck started back far enough that the caution could of dropped way before the 2 hit the start/finish. Whoever was leading at that point should of been declared the winner. I guess we'll never know who would of been first at that point. It may have been the exact same results as what we got, but at least it would of been right.

[sremmaz]

Just FYI - I was just watching Windtunnell on speed and they have analyzed the tapes and Harvick WAS ahead of Mark at the time the wreck started - so either way he would have won the race

[Leafsfan1967]

Just FYI - I was just watching Windtunnell on speed and they have analyzed the tapes and Harvick WAS ahead of Mark at the time the wreck started - so either way he would have won the race

Cool! That is what I needed to hear, so the right driver was credited with the win then, as far as I'm concerned. Case closed! :)

[sremmaz]

Yup they have replayed it a bunch of times and you can see Kevin in front as they start to get sideways behind them

[ramos]

Just FYI - I was just watching Windtunnell on speed and they have analyzed the tapes and Harvick WAS ahead of Mark at the time the wreck started - so either way he would have won the race

Cool. That settles that then. On to Cali everybody.:D

[Bronko]

According to Nascar Harvick took the win under yellow.

NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston gave this official statement 90 minutes after the race ended: "When the 07 [Bowyer's car] got sideways on track, the yellow came out at that time," Poston said. "The 29 [Harvick] was ahead of the 01 [Martin] at that time and declared the winner taking the checkered flag."
Harvick was ahead when Busch spins, but Martin goes back in front soon after. Martin and Harvick traded the lead back and forth the last few yards, so I guess it depended on when Nascar offically decided to put the lights on and not when the first car spun.

[ramos]

On a side note I checked out the free preview for NASCAR hot pass on directv and it was pretty cool. I watched Harvick's march to the front from his in car camera which was really nice. Only drawback is you dont get to pick which drivers you want to watch. They select 6 drivers each week and give them each a channel.

[x90mattman]

I purchased Nascar InDemand last year, which is now gone because of the Direct TV deal, however I loved watching the in car, especially at the plate races. InDemand held a vote each thurs-sat and the top 5 got a channel. Although I doubt they'll do this, I'd also be surprised if Dale Jr desn't have a channel each week :-). I'm working on switching to Direct TV to get the hot pass, however it looks like i'm screwed cause I don't have a land line, just our cell phones and Direct TV says I have to have them hooked up to a land line at all times. You'd think they'd have a net based version out by now.

Matt

On a side note I checked out the free preview for NASCAR hot pass on directv and it was pretty cool. I watched Harvick's march to the front from his in car camera which was really nice. Only drawback is you dont get to pick which drivers you want to watch. They select 6 drivers each week and give them each a channel.

[exanimate]

I have never hooked my direct tv up to the land line, and I have had mine for close to 15 years now. All that is for is so when you order PPV's etc... through the remote, it transfers the info. If you want to order PPVs or anything, just order online. They can't make you hook up to a land line.

[DonJuanHomer]

I have never hooked my direct tv up to the land line, and I have had mine for close to 15 years now. All that is for is so when you order PPV's etc... through the remote, it transfers the info. If you want to order PPVs or anything, just order online. They can't make you hook up to a land line.

If you have the Tivo via DirectTv you do need to hook it up to the land line. Not sure about DirectTv's own DVR receiver... Other than that, you are correct....

[exanimate]

Ok never had a Tivo, so not sure about that.

[ramos]

I purchased Nascar InDemand last year, which is now gone because of the Direct TV deal, however I loved watching the in car, especially at the plate races. InDemand held a vote each thurs-sat and the top 5 got a channel. Although I doubt they'll do this, I'd also be surprised if Dale Jr desn't have a channel each week :-). I'm working on switching to Direct TV to get the hot pass, however it looks like i'm screwed cause I don't have a land line, just our cell phones and Direct TV says I have to have them hooked up to a land line at all times. You'd think they'd have a net based version out by now.

Matt

I have DirecTV and have never had my receivers hooked up through land lines.

I have never hooked my direct tv up to the land line, and I have had mine for close to 15 years now. All that is for is so when you order PPV's etc... through the remote, it transfers the info. If you want to order PPVs or anything, just order online. They can't make you hook up to a land line.

That's what I was told. The landline was only for ordering PPV. I dont know about TiVo though. I have a couple friends the have DTV's TiVO service. I will ask them if they have it hooked up to a landline.

[sremmaz]

Yes the tivo/directtv units require the phone line every 30 days

but if you have a tivo series 2 and a stand alone Directtv received you can use the net to do your tivo updates

[ramos]

Yes the tivo/directtv units require the phone line every 30 days

but if you have a tivo series 2 and a stand alone Directtv received you can use the net to do your tivo updates

What about DirecTV's DVR?

[sremmaz]

Sorry no real experience with DirectTV's DVR - I know my parents had their Tivo one switched to DirectTV's and hate it. When I was there over Christmas I thought it sucked too.

I think it uses the satellite to download the guide though

[sremmaz]

ORDERED MY BRISTOL TICKETS TODAY!!!!!

WOO HOOOO - I'll be there for both races in March,

Anyone else going?

Now I just need to sort out where to stay and stuff like that

[DonJuanHomer]

Sorry no real experience with DirectTV's DVR - I know my parents had their Tivo one switched to DirectTV's and hate it. When I was there over Christmas I thought it sucked too.

I think it uses the satellite to download the guide though

Yeah the DirectTv DVR sucks, in fact most other DVR that I have seen and messed with sucked compared to Tivo. Tivo seems so seamless and smooth where as all other DVR seem choppy and delayed when you press rewind, play, pause and what not. It's a shame that DirectTv and Tivo did not renew with one another....

[Dirty Mo Posse]

ORDERED MY BRISTOL TICKETS TODAY!!!!!

WOO HOOOO - I'll be there for both races in March,

Anyone else going?

Now I just need to sort out where to stay and stuff like that


Awesome Paul!!!

Maybe some year I can join you there!!!!

:D

Posse

[Jigga4Dub]

ORDERED MY BRISTOL TICKETS TODAY!!!!!

WOO HOOOO - I'll be there for both races in March,

Anyone else going?

Now I just need to sort out where to stay and stuff like that

I'll be at the Food City 500 also. This is going to be my first time at Bristol. I have a long month ahead of me. I'm going to attend the Auto Club 500, UAW/Daimler Chrysler 400 and the Food City 500.:eek:

[bigjake62505]

I was not a big fan of nascar untill last year when I went to Daytona and I fell in love with it. I used to love dale but after he passed I kind of let it go. Now I follow Elliot Sadler and I like to watch Mark Martin. I'm looking foward to this year. Hope to see Jr win a few

[sremmaz]

I'll be at the Food City 500 also. This is going to be my first time at Bristol. I have a long month ahead of me. I'm going to attend the Auto Club 500, UAW/Daimler Chrysler 400 and the Food City 500.:eek:

Where are you staying? Where are you sitting?

I'm in the Kulwicki Terrace -

[Jigga4Dub]

Where are you staying? Where are you sitting?

I'm in the Kulwicki Terrace -

I'm staying in http://www.pinnacleinnresort.com/. It's about an hour east of BMS. I'm sitting in the Waltrip section.

[Bronko]

If anyone needs Bristol tickets I might have some to sell. We're right at the Start/Finish line, best seats in the house.

[BELKY27]

ORDERED MY BRISTOL TICKETS TODAY!!!!!

WOO HOOOO - I'll be there for both races in March,

Anyone else going?

Now I just need to sort out where to stay and stuff like that


I want to go to Bristol. Some year soon I hope. For now, I will be heading to Michigan in June.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

If anyone needs Bristol tickets I might have some to sell. We're right at the Start/Finish line, best seats in the house.

Might take you up on that offer in a couple years!!! :o :o :o

:D

Posse

[DonJuanHomer]

Man, you guys suck!!! I so want to hit up another track. But I told myself that the first track I go to outside of my local track (Sears Point) will be Talladega...

[BELKY27]

Man, you guys suck!!! I so want to hit up another track. But I told myself that the first track I go to outside of my local track (Sears Point) will be Talladega...


Looks like a Spawn Nascar outing may have to happen some time.

[sremmaz]

If anyone needs Bristol tickets I might have some to sell. We're right at the Start/Finish line, best seats in the house.

Can you recommend any back roads to the track or any tips for places to stay? Or anything

[Bronko]

Can you recommend any back roads to the track or any tips for places to stay? Or anything

Yeah, there are a lot of different ways to the track depending on which dirrection you're coming in from. As for as places to stay you'd better be finding one soon. Almost every hotel from Roanoke to Greensboro gets booked months in advance.

[Sinsightful]

If anyone needs Bristol tickets I might have some to sell. We're right at the Start/Finish line, best seats in the house.

Just out of curiousity, how much do those gems go for right about now?

[ramos]

Can you recommend any back roads to the track or any tips for places to stay? Or anything

I stayed at a campground in Wytheville VA last year when I went. Its about an hour away from the track. The cabin we stayed in was very clean and the prices where very reasonable compared to the stuff closer to Bristol. The best part about the place is there is a go-kart track 2 minutes away with a slick track and a banked track where the go-karts go about 35-40 mph. We spent the whole day running laps at that place. As Bronko stated earlier you better start trying to get a place now. Here is the website for the place I stayed at:

http://koa.com/where/va/46112/

[Dirty Mo Posse]

:D

Posse

[x90mattman]

HIGH-OCTANE CLASH
Harvick's helmet fuels backlash
After fueling concerns, sponsor's ads to change
JIM UTTER
jutter@charlotteobserver.com

It appears there was something that failed inspection after Sunday's Daytona 500 -- the uniform and helmet worn by race winner Kevin Harvick.

Facing complaints from Sunoco, the official fuel supplier of NASCAR, the sanctioning body has been in discussions with Harvick's Richard Childress Racing team to address concerns over Shell-Pennzoil's sponsorship on Harvick's uniform and helmet.

In response to those complaints, Harvick can no longer wear the driver's helmet used Sunday, which featured a prominent Shell logo, and his uniform will have to be redone to include less prominent Shell logos, multiple sources confirmed.

Before the Daytona 500, sources confirmed Harvick was asked by NASCAR if he would wear a jacket over his uniform during introductions, which he agreed to do.

During Speedweeks, officials with Sunoco lodged several complaints with NASCAR regarding the Shell logos on Harvick's helmet and uniform. They hit a crest when Harvick's victories in Saturday's Busch race and Sunday's 500 produced several newspaper headlines utilizing the Shell name and many photographs of the logos.

Sunoco signed a 10-year deal in 2003 to become the official fuel supplier for NASCAR's three national series -- Nextel Cup, Busch and Trucks.

As part of the deal, no new fuel suppliers are allowed to sponsor teams, NASCAR officials said. Shell-Pennzoil was allowed to join RCR and Harvick's No. 29 Chevrolet this season because the sponsorship was for its automotive lubricants.

Sunoco's complaints are based on the extent Shell-Pennzoil's branding is seen promoting its gas product over its automobile lubricants.

"In exchange for providing a quality product for all three series, Sunoco was granted exclusivity in the fuel category at the track," said NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston.

"We're always trying to work with our sponsors and teams to navigate through any challenges, especially the automotive lubricant category, which is closely aligned with fuel."

A message seeking comment from Sunoco's media contact was not returned.

Until a new helmet can be designed, Harvick is expected to wear one he uses in Busch Series races, sponsored by another company. His new uniform should be ready for this weekend's race at California, sources said.

[sremmaz]

Fricking ridiculous

[avsfan21]

So it is ok to have a giant Shell logo on the car, but not the helmet and suit?

[sremmaz]

got some sweet 8x10's of Kevin's win coming - can't wait to send them out to be signed. Especially if they are ****ing with him and the shell logo

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Sweet Paul!!!

From what I read Kevin is a great signer!!

:D

Posse

[sremmaz]

Yeah he is an awesome signer - I sent him 4 photos last year 2ea from both Busch races and he signed all 4 for me (2 for me 2 for Wolf Park)

He has always been very cool through the mail

[ajaxdog]

Anyone going to Fontana this weekend ? I have extra Dupont Hosp. Tent ticket with pit pass, free food, drinks (yes Beer) , and a bunch of other junk.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Anyone going to Fontana this weekend ? I have extra Dupont Hosp. Tent ticket with pit pass, free food, drinks (yes Beer) , and a bunch of other junk.

Damn Boy!!!!

Why in the Blue Hell does Cali have to be so far away!!!! :mad:

:D

Posse

[sub4]

Anyone going to Fontana this weekend ? I have extra Dupont Hosp. Tent ticket with pit pass, free food, drinks (yes Beer) , and a bunch of other junk.

Sounds great. One of these days I am going to have to get to a race. It will probably be either Sonoma or Fontana, but I think Bristol would be the funnest to go to.

[ajaxdog]

Anyone going to Fontana this weekend ? I have extra Dupont Hosp. Tent ticket with pit pass, free food, drinks (yes Beer) , and a bunch of other junk.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g107/ajaxdog/img160.jpg

I also have an extra ticket in row 43