The Official NASCAR Fan Thread- Texas Motor Speedway, TX (04/06/08) Race 7

[cflames89]

Ditch both Pocono dates for Laguna Seca and Road America. Although I doubt the roads around Laguna Seca could handle a major race like cup, but it would be awesome to see all the cars going though the corkscrew.

To hell with Laguna Seca, they should come to Montreal.

[avsfan21]

Why would Busch be stupid and want out of Hendrick? I guess that is a 22 year old thinking or something. Why leave the best team in the series? What advantages are you going to get from it?

Although it does leave a seat up for Jr. Although I think they should switch Casey to the 5 and Jr to the 25 so when Bud comes back to Jr it will reunite the 25 and Bud.

[avsfan21]

This will be too funny if it is true that Jr is coming to Hendrick. All the Jr fans are going to have to either jump ship or be forced to start liking their most despised team. I have to say it will be classic.

[cflames89]

This will be too funny if it is true that Jr is coming to Hendrick. All the Jr fans are going to have to either jump ship or be forced to start liking their most despised team. I have to say it will be classic.

As a Jr fan, this is not true.

[avsfan21]

As a Jr fan, this is not true.

What is not true?

[cflames89]

What is not true?

That we all hate Hendrick.

[avsfan21]

I know not all Jr fans hate Hendrick, but the majority of them do.

[cflames89]

I know not all Jr fans hate Hendrick, but the majority of them do.

Majority are old Intimidator fans that feel threatened by Gordon and his chances at equaling him with 7 championships.

[deogg]

Jr. to Hendrick? Im going to puke.

Word has it the 2008 season has already been cancelled so Nascar can hand Jr the Cup.

[deogg]

Ughh..... this is horrible. I smell Dale Jr. yard sale!!

Yeah, I had to break it to one of my good friends that Jr sold his soul to the Boyfriends. She didn't take it well.

[avsfan21]

I swear this is the best thing to happen to nascar since Gordon came in.

[avsfan21]

Well this could be interesting news.

Hearing that Dale Earnhardt, Jr. will end up at Hendrick Motorsports, taking Kyle Busch's roster spot. As to what happens to Busch, he'll take Junior's place at Dale Earnhardt, Incorporated.

[Bronko]

Well this could be interesting news.


So hypothetically Kyle drives for Bud while Kurt drives for Miller :D

[Sinsightful]

This will be too funny if it is true that Jr is coming to Hendrick. All the Jr fans are going to have to either jump ship or be forced to start liking their most despised team. I have to say it will be classic.

Not really, I am a diehard Jr. fan, not necc. a DEI fan. If in fact he is headed to Hendrick, I will applaud him for going to the team that is constantly winning. That doesn't mean that I will hate Gordon any less. I don't like how he whines constantly when things don't go right for him. And the #48 is just arrogant. Chad Knaus is the best crew chief in the garage and Kyle is one of the best drivers to come along in awhile.
And remember, the very first victory for Hendrick Motorsports came with an Earnhardt driving the car! (1983 Busch race)

[Dirty Mo Posse]

This will be too funny if it is true that Jr is coming to Hendrick. All the Jr fans are going to have to either jump ship or be forced to start liking their most despised team. I have to say it will be classic.

As a Jr fan, this is not true.

What is not true?

That we all hate Hendrick.

I agree!!

It's certain players of the team we HATE!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Budweiser would be stupid to leave their affiliation with JR!!!

:D

Posse

[avsfan21]

I dont think they will leave, if they have to they will stay with DEI for the one year left on their contract then go back to Jr. Or it might be possible to see 2 Bud cars next year?

You know that DEI will fight tooth and nail to keep Bud for that 1 year left on the contract to keep that money. Or maybe Bud just pays off the rest of the contract and takes a hike.

[ajaxdog]

Word has it the 2008 season has already been cancelled so Nascar can hand Jr the Cup.

I guess you better add Little E to the boyfriends ERRRRRRRRRR ..... Winners.

[R. Giles]

Junior is now part of Hendricks with Busch leaving at the end of the year. Hendricks said the number Jr would drive could be the 8 if DEI wants to swap the 5 for the 8. If that doesn't happen he could be driving the 25 car.

[deogg]

Hey, now Nascrap can rig races for Jr too.

[avsfan21]

That whole argument is stupid because if they rig races for Hendrick they rig races for everyone.

[ajaxdog]

Just a few breaks from this weekend
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The Autos stunk and no 24 but RU was ok.

[Sinsightful]

Hey guys, where do you order those hobby packs from?
I don't think comic book stores carry them and we dont have any more Nascar shops around here.
All I can ever get my hands on are the retail ones from the discount stores.

[avsfan21]

I am going to fall in the rankings today. I am having a rough week. I currently have the 42nd, 41st, 30th and 5th.

[avsfan21]

I wanted to switch Truex in but it wouldnt let me. Oh well. I am sure that I am falling out of 2nd today. I just hope I dont fall too far.

[ramos]

3/4 of my team were involved in that crash that Newman caused. I had Newman,Kenseth,Truex,and Sorenson. I was glad to see Truex come back and get me some points but I still had a sub 200 day:(

[avsfan21]

3/4 of my team were involved in that crash that Newman caused. I had Newman,Kenseth,Truex,and Sorenson. I was glad to see Truex come back and get me some points but I still had a sub 200 day:(

Looking at the standings for this week, I think a lot of people feel your pain. I fell from 2nd to 5th.

I didnt really see much of the race maybe the last 50ish laps. From what I saw I guess I didnt miss much. Looked like a snoozer.

[ramos]

Looking at the standings for this week, I think a lot of people feel your pain. I fell from 2nd to 5th.

I didnt really see much of the race maybe the last 50ish laps. From what I saw I guess I didnt miss much. Looked like a snoozer.

Yea it seems a lot of the guys at the top had a rough week.

[Bronko]

What do you guys think about this mock Dale Jr car for next year:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4664/jrnu6nv1.jpg

Although DW claims a new beverage sponsor will now be with JR next season...one not in a red can.

[avsfan21]

Hopefully it will be Pepsi. Although if it is Bud it has to be the 25 car.

[avsfan21]

I want to start Gordon this weekend being a road race, but there is that chance that he skips the race for his baby, so I am conflicted.

[ramos]

I want to start Gordon this weekend being a road race, but there is that chance that he skips the race for his baby, so I am conflicted.

Speaking on behalf of all of us who are chasing you. I hope you start him then I hope he has to leave.;) :D Although I wonder if Gordon starts the race then is replaced would yahoo award the replacement driver's points to Gordon?

[ajaxdog]

Speaking on behalf of all of us who are chasing you. I hope you start him then I hope he has to leave.;) :D Although I wonder if Gordon starts the race then is replaced would yahoo award the replacement driver's points to Gordon?

Gordon will finish the race if baby is born on raceday. If baby is born on Saturday Martin will race. The baby is due on the 29th so I dont think it will be an issue ..... you never know though cause when they want out, they want out.

[ramos]

Gordon will finish the race if baby is born on raceday. If baby is born on Saturday Martin will race. The baby is due on the 29th so I dont think it will be an issue ..... you never know though cause when they want out, they want out.

The 29th? Dont tell me I have to share my birthday with Gordon's kid.:rolleyes: :D

[Bronko]

So much for Nextel Cup :rolleyes:. Looks like those Sprint rumors are coming true.

NASCAR's top series to be renamed Sprint Cup in 2008: Beginning with the 2008 season, Sprint will replace Nextel as title sponsor of NASCAR's premiere racing series, multiple high-ranking industry sources told ESPN.com on condition of anonymity. The series will be known as the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, sources said. NASCAR declined comment. Dean Kessel, Sprint's NASCAR marketing director, denied the claims, and said Sprint/Nextel is still sorting the proposition out with NASCAR. Kessel also said that multiple outstanding details must be finalized internally before a decision can be made either way. This would mark the third time in four seasons NASCAR's Cup Series experienced a sponsorship-based name change. From 1972-2003, the Cup Series was sponsored by R.J. Reynolds tobacco through its Winston cigarette brand. Then, starting in 2004, Nextel assumed the naming rights to the most popular racing series in America.(ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2910433))(6-20-2007)

[ajaxdog]

Happy Fathers Day to me ...
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[ajaxdog]

So much for Nextel Cup :rolleyes:. Looks like those Sprint rumors are coming true.

NASCAR's top series to be renamed Sprint Cup in 2008: Beginning with the 2008 season, Sprint will replace Nextel as title sponsor of NASCAR's premiere racing series, multiple high-ranking industry sources told ESPN.com on condition of anonymity. The series will be known as the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, sources said. NASCAR declined comment. Dean Kessel, Sprint's NASCAR marketing director, denied the claims, and said Sprint/Nextel is still sorting the proposition out with NASCAR. Kessel also said that multiple outstanding details must be finalized internally before a decision can be made either way. This would mark the third time in four seasons NASCAR's Cup Series experienced a sponsorship-based name change. From 1972-2003, the Cup Series was sponsored by R.J. Reynolds tobacco through its Winston cigarette brand. Then, starting in 2004, Nextel assumed the naming rights to the most popular racing series in America.(ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2910433))(6-20-2007)

When they changed from Winston Cup I knew this was coming. I can see numerous name changes over the next few years with the way money changes hands in America today.

[Gooker1]

Gordon and Ingrid had a baby girl earlier this morning. That means - Start him in Sonoma!! He'll be at home for the next day and a half then head out to CA.

Congrats!

[sremmaz]

Jeff Gordon and Ingrid Vandebosch on Wednesday welcomed a new daughter into the world, according to the driver's Web site. Ella Sofia Gordon was born at 9:09 a.m., weighed 7 pounds, 1 ounce and was 20 inches long.

"It's been an absolutely incredible experience," Gordon said. "Ingrid came through amazingly and we're both really happy and overjoyed. We can't wait to get home and start our lives together as a family."

The four-time Cup Series champion will travel to Sonoma, Calif., later this week and is scheduled to participate in all on-track activities at Infineon Raceway, site of Sunday's Cup race.

[avsfan21]

Well Congrats to Jeff and Ingrid.

[ajaxdog]

Jeff Gordon and Ingrid Vandebosch on Wednesday welcomed a new daughter into the world, according to the driver's Web site. Ella Sofia Gordon was born at 9:09 a.m., weighed 7 pounds, 1 ounce and was 20 inches long.

"It's been an absolutely incredible experience," Gordon said. "Ingrid came through amazingly and we're both really happy and overjoyed. We can't wait to get home and start our lives together as a family."

The four-time Cup Series champion will travel to Sonoma, Calif., later this week and is scheduled to participate in all on-track activities at Infineon Raceway, site of Sunday's Cup race.

Thank you sir:D
Congrats to Jeff and Ingrid:D

[Dirty Mo Posse]

What do you guys think about this mock Dale Jr car for next year:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4664/jrnu6nv1.jpg

Although DW claims a new beverage sponsor will now be with JR next season...one not in a red can.

Just not the same without the #8!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Hopefully it will be Pepsi. Although if it is Bud it has to be the 25 car.

God PLEASE NO!!!

Anything but Pepsi!!! I hate Pepsi!!!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Happy Fathers Day to me ...
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Nice!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Wow, were Tiger and Jeff having a race to see who would become a Dad first!!

LOL

Congrats to the Gordon Clan!!

:D

Posse

[avsfan21]

God PLEASE NO!!!

Anything but Pepsi!!! I hate Pepsi!!!!

:D

Posse

Pepsi all the way. Coke is just nasty.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

Pepsi all the way. Coke is just nasty.

Let's just stick to Budweiser!!! That's where it's at!!!

:D

Posse

[avsfan21]

I am all for Bud as long as it is the 25 car.

[Bronko]

Pepsi all the way. Coke is just nasty.

A Coke hater living in the heart of Coca-Cola country? :p

But I agree, and living in the home of Mt. Dew makes me a Pepsi brand man.

[x90mattman]

Nascar has said previously that there is only 1 name change allowed per the contract signed with Nextel, which I think is why it's taken this long to make it the Sprint cup, had to make sure they weren't planned on being bought in the next 7 years! (I want the crystal ball if they can see that far ahead though) :D

When they changed from Winston Cup I knew this was coming. I can see numerous name changes over the next few years with the way money changes hands in America today.

[avsfan21]

Although I have to say that the Sprint Cup sounds better than the Nextel cup. It at least sounds like it belongs in racing.

[sremmaz]

Let's just stick to Budweiser!!! That's where it's at!!!

:D

Posse

BLECH!!! Piss water... How about Guinness instead

[Sinsightful]

The cable TV Ratings for the Pocono 500 at Pocono Raceway was the fourth highest rated cable program that day with a 3.0 rating, 3,392,000 households and 4,968,000 viewers on TNT according to Zapit.com.


Last season the race was aired on FOX and drew a final Nielsen Media Research rating of 5.2 and a 12 market share. This came from the jayski.com webpage. Also, from that same source, the Autism 400 presented by VISA at Dover International Speedway was postponed from Sunday, June 3 to Monday, June 4 and televised on FOX with the final ratings unknown.

This came from the sportbusiness.com newsletter. NASCAR, has filed a $100 million counter claim against AT&T in a landmark case concerning NASCARs right to offer its series title sponsor, Nextel, category exclusivity. NASCAR was overruled in another court hearing recently.

Bernie Eccelstone told the Speed Channel that the future of F1 in the US is in the hands of Indianapolis Motor Speedways Tony George. Theres an imposed deadline of July 15 for a long term contact with IMS. Bernie has been tooting his horn and tells everyone that will listen that F1 does not need the USA. Its typical of his posturing in order to get a better deal. He does this every time a contract is up for renewal in an effort to bulldoze the principals. At this point in time, F1 needs the USA more than ever because it is the worlds biggest market.

In a related item, will F1 be able to capitalize on Lewis Hamiltons two wins, during the two weeks the series played in No. America? If they handle it correctly it could transfer into an increase in TV ratings for the remainder of the world wide series aired in the USA. The Montréal and Indy races aired on Fox rather than Speed. Right now F1 has something that no other major racing sanction has in its corner. That is a minority driver capable of winning every time out. As of the moment Hamiltons team, Mercedes/McLaren, is on a hot streak. When Juan Paul Montoya moved from F1 to NASCAR the NASCAR PR machine was working overtime at a rapid clip. The results gave NASCAR a lot of visibility especially in Europe, Asia, Australia and So. America which appear to be future markets for that Daytona Beach, FL based organization.

Consider that Fiat allows its Ferrari Division to spend $500 million a year which allows that auto maker to dominate F1 giving its $250,000 MSRP per unit sportscar high visibility as the best performance car that money can buy. The pressure is now on Ferrari to produce and make a comeback on the world wide F1 circuit in order to justify its current budget.

On TV ratings, NASCAR continues to dominate the interest of US fans regardless of being off the past and present season by a significant amount. While F1, IRL and CCWS are lucky to get a 1.0 audience share, NASCAR consistently gets 3-4 times that amount. The US TV ratings combined for F1, IRL and CCWS dont ever equal what NASCAR pulls every week for TV audience share. So NASCAR must be doing something right and the others need to change things around. Two significant factors stand out. The presence of the the top US drivers in NASCAR that have worked their way up the US ladder system to NASCARs open door top three tier series and the roadblocks for most all American drivers to enter F1, IRL and CCWS. In contrast, there doesnt appear to be roadblocks preventing F1, IRL and CCWS drivers from competing in NASCAR. So we will just let these facts speak for themselves.

Heres another good one from the Valvoline Track Talk Newsletter.Yes, He REALLY Said That -Bill France Jr., in a 1978 interview, explaining why he was confident of NASCARs long-term success. We work at it day-after-day, week-after-week, year-after-year. How true it is and its a lot to think about. When you compare NASCARs grueling schedule from February to November, with its trio of top tier divisions, it just dwarfs the rest of motorsports. Compared to other sports, NASCARs season is the longest. Its ten long months of weekly racing and in some cases drivers compete in all three divisions on the triple header weekends. Theres no such thing as an off- season. Because the twelve week break isnt enough to rest and its peppered with driver testing and rebuilding the fleet of race cars. You have to be both young and tough to stand this type of pressure. Burnout occurs quickly with careers now down to quick span of a decade because of the current demands.

On the tube this weekend that should be of interest to all of the gearheads. Starting on Friday its NASCAR CTS Qualifying from Milwaukee on Speed. Stick with Speed for the rest of the day and night with Cup Practice coming from Sonoma, CA at 3:30 p.m. and Cup Qualifying from that same track at 7 p.m. and finally the NASCAR CTS race from Milwaukee at 9 p.m. Saturday goes like this with Cup Practice from Sonoma airing at 1 p.m. on Speed and again at 3 p.m. followed by Busch Qualifying from Milwaukee at 5:30 p.m. Speed comes back at 8 p.m. with the Grand-Am from Mid-Ohio. ESPN2 offers the Busch race from Milwaukee at 8:30 p.m. Sundays offerings start at 11 a.m. with the AMA Superbikes from Tooele, UT on Speed. More Grand-AM from Mid-Ohio airs at noon on Speed while the WoO at Dodge City, KS goes at 12:30 p.m. on ESPN2. If you like Indy Car action then be prepared to surf with the IRL and CCWS both going off at 1 p.m. on ABC and CBS. More AMA Superbikes air on Speed from Tooele, UT at 5 p.m. and at the same time TNT offers the Cup race from Sonoma. More for the bikers at 6 p.m. this time from Donington, UK offering the Superbikes on Speed. At 10 p.m. its the Final Eliminations for the NHRA crowd from Englishtown, NJ at 10 p.m. on ESPN2. (end)

NOTE: INFORMATION FOR THIS COLUMN CAME FROM VARIOUS REFERENCED SOURCES, PRESS RELEASES AND NOTES.

[Sinsightful]

Officials from the country of Bahrain, near Saudi Arabia, said Monday that they want to host a NASCAR race at their Bahrain International Circuit (BIC), a road course.
Hosting NASCAR is on the minds of the management at the BIC, said BIC director of PR and government affairs Shaikh Salman bin Isa Al Khalifa who has just returned from the US after heading a fact-finding delegation. As part of their fact finding officials attended a NASCAR race and that seemed to peak their interest; its not known which race they attended.

We did go and see a NASCAR race and an Indy 500 single-seater race there. We not only looked at things from the racing side, but also from a marketing perspective, said Shaikh Salman speaking at a BIC Press conference at the Ritz-Carlton, Bahrain Resort and Spa. The NASCAR race was very good to see, but we are yet to look at how that system would work here because we dont have an oval. But it is something that we are looking into.

Its not to say that it only works on an oval. I think we will go through our checklist and see if everything makes sense, he said. I would rather go to a person who says I am dying to go to Bahrain than someone who says how much are you going to pay me to come. The decisions that we do make are put on a business model and feasibility decides, he added. There is an interest in North America. Generally, here in the Middle East, we look to Europe. Everyone used to say if you are going to bring a race, look to Europe, look at what they are doing, and try to do the same. But we have already shown that we are different by looking East instead of West.

[LoneReconEagle]

Does anyone know if Motorsports Authentics has done anything with the figure license since taking it away from McFarlane in 2005/2006? Is Motorsports Authentics just sitting on their @ss with this license?

I havent seen any new figures at the NASCAR stores in years. Cant find anything on any of the websites.

[cflames89]

http://tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story/?ID=211562&hubname=

Johnson and Gordon failed inspection. If they can re-pass, they will be allowed to start but at the back of the field.

[Bronko]

Uh oh more Hendrick "problems" :rolleyes::

#24 and #48 pulled from practice, qualifying after failing inspection: NASCAR officials announced that #24-Jeff Gordon [points leader] and #48- Jimmie Johnson [3rd in points] will not be allowed to practice or qualify Friday after their cars failed the initial morning inspection at Infineon Raceway. The front fenders on both the #24 Chevy of Gordon and the #48 Chevy of Johnson had front fenders that were too wide. The cars did not fit the template for a Car of Tomorrow entry. Both drivers will have to start at the rear of the field for Sunday's Toyota/Save Mart 300 event on the 2-mile Infineon road course. Gordon, the season points leader, won at Infineon one year ago. His five victories at Sonoma are the most among active drivers. "Both teams have the opportunity to repair their primary cars and resubmit them for inspection," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said. "If they pass that inspection, they'll be allowed to practice on Saturday." Neither crew chief -- Steve Letarte for Gordon and Chad Knaus for Johnson -- has been suspended for this race. But additional penalties are likely for both drivers and crew chiefs next week. NASCAR officials have warned all teams that any violations involving the COT would results in severe punishment. The #8 Chevy team of driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. was penalized 100 points and crew chief Tony Eury Jr. was fined $100,000 when a pre-qualifying inspection at Darlington showed the brackets on the rear wing were modified out of regulation.(ESPN.com (http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2913185))(6-22-2007)

So it's no wonder Jr wanted to go to Hendrick :p.

[Bronko]

You gotta feel for Aric Almirola tonight. To have the sponsors force the team to yank him out of the car and then see Hamlin win the race in his place. Not only that, but his "first" career win will come with him sitting in the hauler.

[avsfan21]

I was hoping Hamlin would lose just because they took Almirola out of the car. He had a really good car and to pull him out of it like that. I would pretty much make that my last drive for that team. I dont care what team it is. I would find a new one.

On a side now is there a point to running the Busch races anymore? I mean the cup guys always win and now they are even going for Busch championships while still racing in the Cup series. Nascar has got to do something about this crap.

[avsfan21]

Opps, I guess they didnt want to play the Radio on Kyle right there.

[Bronko]

Well we heard him go from praying to dropping f bombs in ten minutes :p.

[avsfan21]

I hope they dont have those g ay CGI signs through the whole race.

I guess they are going to have those damn things the whole race. Geez trying to dumb down everything :rolleyes:

[avsfan21]

I am going to have to get that Jeff Gordon Dvd.

[avsfan21]

Nice to see another 1st time winner this year. I was hoping Montoya would hold on since I didnt really want Harvick to win it. I kind of feel bad for Robby Gordon. He pretty much had the car to beat all day.

[R. Giles]

I wanted either Montoya or R. Gordon to win. Glad to see Montoya win

[Bronko]

Well that ending was disappointing. If Harvick knew Montoya wasn't going to run out he would have raced him much harder, but oh well good job for RCR finishing 2, 3, and 4 :D.

[avsfan21]

I have to stop putting my faith in Fellows I think. I really like Ron, but it always seems he is getting out raced by other ringers now. I should have started Said instead. I was so thinking of switching them. Oh well.

Nice to see that Gordon got a top 10 so that they can take at least 100 points away this week. :rolleyes:

[R. Giles]

I will be playing video games during the NH race worse then Pocono

[vv05]

Congrats to Juan! Yes he did get a little lucky on fuel but as hard as he was racing he was able to save a lot. Harvick was dumb Juan comes from a form of racing where you don't let guys bye. Maybe in a 500 mile race but not on a road course.

[avsfan21]

Yeah team orders do not determine the outcome of races.

[avsfan21]

I just found this site that lets you calculate how many points you get each week.

http://houseparent.net/race/

I also noticed that quite a few people had JPM on their teams but only 2 or 3 started him.

[vv05]

If Harvick had enough fuel he should have run harder forcing Juan and Jaime to use their cars. Juan said after the race he was saving his tires until he passed McMurrey. Robby Gordon, Stewart or McMurrey deserved to win felt bad for them.

[avsfan21]

Ah, moved back into 2nd in the league. Hopefully I can keep it up.

[ajaxdog]

Ah, moved back into 2nd in the league. Hopefully I can keep it up.

Is that you creeping up on me ???? :o ;)

[madden821]

What do you guys think about this mock Dale Jr car for next year:

http://img392.imageshack.us/img392/4664/jrnu6nv1.jpg

Although DW claims a new beverage sponsor will now be with JR next season...one not in a red can.

Looks even better than the one he has now.

[Leafsfan1967]

And so goes my horrific year in Fantasy Nascar! :( I had R Gordon, Jamie McMurray, and Boris Said who were top 5 all day, and Tony stewart who was also in the top 10, and I get 288 points! Every race this year pretty much has ended up this way. I had Montoya, and harvick on reserve, just to rub it in! :rolleyes:

[ajaxdog]

I had Montoya and Rudd on my bench ... never thought Montoya could pull it off from so far back ..... cheater !!!!!

[vv05]

That Jr car looks great. Went to the Busch race on Saturday and alot of fans were complaining because their Jr gear won't be good any more if he doesn't have Bud or the #8.

[Gooker1]

Wow what a crazy race weekend. First w/ the 24 & 48, then the Almirola situation, and finally w/ JPM pulling out a crazy victory.


I'll start w/ Almirola first. What a royal screw job. I turned to the race right when they were inserting Hamlin in. It's ******ed that Aric gets the win b/c he started the race. I bet that guy couldn't give a rat's ass that he officially won that race. I hope he gets to race next weekend and get a real win.

Man I love road courses. I wish they would either add another one or double up one of the two they have now. It really is good racing b/c there's something happening everywhere on the track. The passing skills that these guys demonstrated was pure entertainment. I really thought that the 24 could win this thing. But congrats to JPM for pulling this one out. I don't blame Harvick for not trying as hard, but you go w/ what your crew chief tells you. It was just a series of information that ended working against them. Robby had the best car, followed by Tony, but hey, the best car doesn't win every week and rarely does.

And yes - it was pure comedy listening to Kyle Petty say a prayer before the race started and then hear him say, "What the F--- was that?" Oh, and that was totally Kenseth's fault. I think Kyle would agree after seeing the tape.

I don't want to be in NASCAR's shoes regarding the penalties for the 24 & 48. It was nice to hear the commentator's different perspectives regarding this grey area infraction. All the guys on Speed said that NASCAR shouldn't be too heavy handed b/c it was such a grey area incident. Both cars fit the template, so they adhered to NASCAR's specs. It was just the spot between the templates that Knauss and Letarte messed w/. A couple of the TNT guys felt the opposite and wanted those cars parked for x amount of races or whatever or even worse, they should take a way the bonus points for some of their victories! (I thought that was the dumbest thing i heard all weekend)

It's a tough situation b/c the cars did fit the templates, but according to some analysts, that template should be more like a blanket that covers the entire car. We'll see what the penalties are tomorrow. My guess is that it will be a 150-200 point deduction and an 8 game suspension for the crew chiefs. Either way, I think the crew chief suspension will be worse than the points loss b/c these two guys are firmly in the chase and the wins are more crew chief dependent.

[vv05]

Forgot about the whole Kyle Petty thing that was hilarious. Kyle should commentate every race from the car.

The Busch race Hamlin situation was wierd I was at the race and didn't even know Hamlin wasn't in the car until they did the driver switch felt bad for him but it wasn't Hamlin's fault the sponsor wanted Hamlin in their home race. It would have looked really bad if Hamlin didn't get his lap back and win.

[Oiler_Fan]

Excellent race yesterday. I love the road courses. They hold a CASCAR event at our Airport course here in Edmonton as well as a CART event. I would love to see NASCAR branch out to do a Canadian road course event here in Edmonton.

I watched the race up to about 50 laps to go and had to leave the house at that point. JPM was back in 16th or so at that point and it looked like Robby Gordon was going to run away with it. I couldn't believe the result once I got back.

Happy for Juan. Good win

[R. Giles]

I would love for more road courses and less cookie cutter crap. Nascar is run by idiots so that won't happen and knowing them might get rid of the road courses after a while.

[avsfan21]

I dont think the penalty should be that much. These points penalties are getting out of hand. They are going to start to manipulate the championships with this crap. I dont remember if Kurt Busch had Driver and Car Owner points taken away, but if he did it should have just been Driver points since he was the one that did the crap. I dont think the penalty should be more than 50 points since the cars fit the templates. So technically they werent illegal. Plus the fact that they were already penalized by having not practicing and qualifying. Sure they turned it into a decent finish, but it wasnt easy. Plus if Jeff started closer to the front he probably would have had a great shot of winning. If you arent trying to find the gray areas of the rule book you arent trying to win. I still remember the 97 Winston T-Rex car. That car was built on all the gray areas of the rule book. It was awesome, but it Evernham was also told never to bring it back to the race track. Although they never gave him a penalty for it.

[ramos]

I would love for more road courses and less cookie cutter crap. Nascar is run by idiots so that won't happen and knowing them might get rid of the road courses after a while.

I agree with you as far as the cookie cutter tracks go but yesterday all they kept talking about was who was going to get the better gas mileage. To me its not really "racing" when all your doing is trying to save fuel the whole time. I dont knock guys for winning fuel mileage races because its part of the game. I understand it but I dont really care for it.

[R. Giles]

Thats why i say go to more tracks but make sure fuel mileage doesn't play a factor

[ramos]

Thats why i say go to more tracks but make sure fuel mileage doesn't play a factor

The announcers wouldnt stop talking about it yesterday. It was really annoying. By the way did you guys notice that having Larry Mac try to talk over the cars when the guy could barely speak at all was just a waste of time?

[avsfan21]

I still have to say I hate those ga y turn signs.

[Gooker1]

So the 24 and 48 get docked 100 points, crew chiefs fined $100k, and suspended for six races.

Granted the points don't hurt them too much, but I think the 6 races the crew chiefs miss will be huge. Since wins are so important now, i think this will be the toughest part regarding the penalties.

[avsfan21]

I still dont understand how you can get such harsh penalties for a car that fit the templates so it wasnt technically illegal.

[R. Giles]

Not like missing the crew chiefs will be that big of a problem. They will be with the team during all the practices and race.

[Dirty Mo Posse]

I still dont understand how you can get such harsh penalties for a car that fit the templates so it wasnt technically illegal.

Are you serious??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Dale Jr's Wing Brackets FIT the template too, you didn't seem to complain about that penalty!!!

:D

Posse

[Dirty Mo Posse]

So the 24 and 48 get docked 100 points, crew chiefs fined $100k, and suspended for six races.

Granted the points don't hurt them too much, but I think the 6 races the crew chiefs miss will be huge. Since wins are so important now, i think this will be the toughest part regarding the penalties.

At least NASCAR is consistent with the penalties. I think the POINT loss is fair for both, and even Letarte getting 6 races.

Chad Knaus on the other hand DESERVED much more then 6 races!!!! This guy is a MULTIPLE time offender, and he just doesn't seem to care!!!

BAN THE CHEATING IDIOT FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SEASON!!!!

:D

Posse

[cflames89]

NASCAR really does need to bring in some kind of repeat offender penalty. He got 4 races after the 500 last year, adn 6 now is just repetative.

[avsfan21]

Are you serious???

Dale Jr's Wing Brackets FIT the template too, you didn't seem to complain about that penalty!!!



Posse

Yeah but messing with the angle of the wing is pretty much the same has changing the angle of the spoiler which is a huge no-no. Plus the fact that Dale Jr wasnt penalized by having to sit out qualifying. I also think that 100 points is a pretty harsh penalty for anyone. In a year or two I wonder if they will start 500 point penalties. At some point you are going to have to limit that since you can only get at most 185 points a race. It is going to start manipulate the championship which I am not for at all.

[cflames89]

Yeah but messing with the angle of the wing is pretty much the same has changing the angle of the spoiler which is a huge no-no. Plus the fact that Dale Jr wasnt penalized by having to sit out qualifying. I also think that 100 points is a pretty harsh penalty for anyone. In a year or two I wonder if they will start 500 point penalties. At some point you are going to have to limit that since you can only get at most 185 points a race. It is going to start manipulate the championship which I am not for at all.

They didn't catch the wing brackets on Junior's car until after qualifying, if I remember correctly.

[Toyfan85]

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f118/toyfan85/SD530895.jpg

If any Kenseth Fans are interested LMK

[avsfan21]

I have to say I think this sums up the whole "cheating" thing quite well.

http://www.thatsracin.com/108/story/5164.html

[avsfan21]

Too bad Gordon didnt win. I couldnt have had a better day than since Kimi Raikkonen and Gordon would have won.

[ramos]

Another race where I have the winner on the bench.:( I did get 3 out of 4 in the top 10 and my lowest finisher was Yeley at 22.

[avsfan21]

Didnt have a good day today in the league. Only got 238 points.

[Gooker1]

Great race yesterday - of course it sucks that the 24 didn't get the win, but it was still entertaining nonetheless. I blame Truex for racing Gordon so well :) Just kidding, it was cool watching him try to pass Truex - great racing!

[avsfan21]

I guess you can tell who has the qualifying setups under the cars since the GOGH cars are currently 1-7. Although there are reports of rain so it might be all for nothing.

[avsfan21]

Well it isnt looking good for the rest of qualifying, the busch race might be in jeopardy as well. It sucks for all the GOGH cars that are in the 1-7 spots right now since quite a few of them would be going home. Including Said who is on the pole, Micky would probably be out as well.

[avsfan21]

Well sucks for Said who was on the pole to not make the race. Mayfield was 3rd and will miss the race. Waltrip in the top 6 and will miss the race. Vickers was going to miss the race but got in since he won a race last year.

[R. Giles]

Busch race is set for tomorrow at 9 am.

[ramos]

I thought Harvick had a shot... that 5 car was too good.

He probably would've gotten by if that goof Blaney wouldnt went with him. You can tell when guys like him(Blaney) are just happy to be in the top 5. Blaney has no shot at winning the championship so why not help Harvick get by,drop into 2nd then maybe take his shot at getting past Harvick. Oh well it was cool to see Harvick come from the front to the back all day. Jr.'s car was pretty much junk all day.

[DMM77]

It's getting cloudy here guys. 60% chance of showers :(

[ramos]

It's getting cloudy here guys. 60% chance of showers :(

Boo! I have my beer on ice and my grill is ready to go.:mad:

[ramos]

Was that Garth from Wayne's World standing next to Stewart during the national anthem?

[ramos]

Just about everytime TNT tries to talk to a driver while they are in the car it doesnt work. They just tried it with Burton and it didnt work again. LOL

[Bronko]

I think it's safe to say that Tony isn't feeling very brotherly with his teammate.

[avsfan21]

Boy I am having an awful night so far in the league. I dont think I have any of my cars in the top 20.

[R. Giles]

Tony wasn't happy with Hamlin but funny he just called him the 11 car.

Kind of a boring race with no one really able to pass since they all break loose easily.

[avsfan21]

I have been watching the Jeff Gordon hot pass channel pretty much the whole race.

[Bronko]

Less than 10 to go and it looks like a Hendrick freight train up front. Maybe Kyle will get squirrelly and cause a scene. I'm dying to see Clint get this...07 on 07/07/07...it's meant to be :p.

[avsfan21]

Could we have a repeat of the 97 Daytona 500? Hendrick 1-2-3?

[avsfan21]

It might be a Roush 1-2-3 now.

[lloydchristmas81]

what an exciting final 20 laps. WOW!!!! That was fun to watch

[avsfan21]

Of course I have the winner on my bench. Then the guys I have in were awful.

[Bronko]

Eh, I'll take it. At least better than some of the other options.

And I was right...it was meant to be...the 07 finished 07 while pitting in the 07 stall on 07/07/07 :D.

[lloydchristmas81]

Of course I have the winner on my bench. Then the guys I have in were awful.

me too man


I did have Kurt Busch though

Kenseth
Kurt Busch
Hamlin
Stremme



Hamlin really hurts

Stremme might have been top 10 w/out the wreck in the pits

[R. Giles]

Man the Busch brothers trying to beat up on the people next to them cost one the win

[avsfan21]

I had

Jr
Truex
Gilliland
Menard

I am not sure I got a top 20 in that one.

Ok looks like Truex and Gilliland got top 15s and Jr was like 36th Menard 25ish.

[lloydchristmas81]

That was the most exciting finish/20 laps Ive ever seen. Awesome racing... door to door the way it was meant to be!

Props to those guys for racing clean! (unlike Montoya)

At one point with 5 laps left I thought to myself.... what happens if all these guys wreck???


I was just waiting for Kurt and Kyle to take each other out...and the mass Chaos that would have ensued. I expected that.


Man that was fun to watch.

[sub4]

Great finish to a race that got off to a shaky start. Unfortunately Mayfield had a good qualifying run wiped out due to the damn rain!

[ajaxdog]

I had Gordon, Truex, Mears, and Yeley ... not so bad.

[avsfan21]

Well it seems like I am going to have my rough half of the season only this time the 2nd half. I normally have it on the first half than make up spots in the second. I guess time will till.

[ramos]

I had:
Stewart
Ku. Busch
Truex
Jeff Green

On my bench:
Gordon
Kyle Busch
Yeley
:( :( :(

All that being said I still dont know how Harvick let Montoya finish the race without putting him in the 3rd row. Montoya did get his at the end though.

[avsfan21]

It would have been stupid to just go out and wreck someone. Harvick doesnt want to get parked again like the time when he did it in trucks.

[ramos]

It would have been stupid to just go out and wreck someone. Harvick doesnt want to get parked again like the time when he did it in trucks.

There are ways to do it and make it look like an accident.;) :D Or if not last night he can always get his in an upcoming race. Montoya seems to be making more enemies than friends. I remember Jimmie Johnson got a little tired of him at the Infineon.

[Gooker1]

It looked like Montoya got loose and Harvick just got collected. It would be ******ed if Montoya was actually trying to smack the 29 in the wall.

Great race - lots of team controversies. If I'm the 24 car, I wouldn't want anyone in the chase to get wins.

[Yankee_Pride]

SANFORD, Fla. -- A small plane registered to the late CEO of NASCAR crashed into a suburban Orlando neighborhood Tuesday after attempting to make an emergency landing, killing both people aboard and starting two house fires that burned two adults and a 10-year-old boy.The twin engine Cessna 310 was registered to Competitor Liaison Bureau Inc. of Daytona Beach, said Kathleen Bergen of the Federal Aviation Administration. Bill France Jr., the son of NASCAR founder Bill Sr. and long-time president of the organization who died in June, is listed as the registered agent, according to Florida Department of State Division of Corporations records. Jim France, Bill France Jr.'s brother, and Lesa France Kennedy and Brian France, Bill Jr.'s children, are listed as vice presidents.


:(



http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=2&id=2931436

[DMM77]

I was at the gym yesterday morning watching that whole story unfold. That's about 15 minutes away from where I live, what a tragedy. :(

[avsfan21]

Wow rough week for a lot of people this week. I was having a decent day nothing great, than my drivers started dropping like flies. First Turex, then McMurray, then Yeley all ran into problems.

[Gooker1]

What did you guys think of the race yesterday? I thought it was kinda boring. There were a few times the lead would be challenged, but it never amounted to anything exciting. Most of the interesting stuff happened in the back of the pack when people would try to pass eachother, but it didn't look like it was easy for anyone.

I loved Jr's comments regarding the power steering. Tough break

[pbspectre]

when you've got freaking HANSON singing the National Anthem at a NASCAR race, you know things won't turn out well... ;)

[avsfan21]

I didnt even know HANSON still existed. I love how they were all trying to look manly with the soul patches and shaved heads.

[ajaxdog]

went with 48, 41, 1, and 26 .... got bit hard. 3 of 4 went behind wall.

[corona]

I'll be heading to the Busch race in Montreal in August and I was wondering how difficult it would be to obtain some autographs?

[ramos]

Hey guys Im thinking about selling my Kevin Harvick September 11th tribute car. For those that dont know what the car looks like here is a link for one on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/2002-Autographed-Kevin-Harvick-911-Tribute-Car_W0QQitemZ120141353216QQihZ002QQcategoryZ20891QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

My car isn't autograhped like that one is. I can provide more pics if needed. I dont really know how much Im looking to get for this so if you're interested shoot me a pm with an offer.

[avsfan21]

That is what I hate about Ebay. All their Diecast are Autographed. I dont want my diecast Autographed. Plus the fact that on ebay it is probably fake.

Good luck selling the car.

[ramos]

That is what I hate about Ebay. All their Diecast are Autographed. I dont want my diecast Autographed. Plus the fact that on ebay it is probably fake.

Good luck selling the car.

I wasnt really gonna sell it but I put it away and its now sitting in a box so I figured somebody might be able to add it to their collection. I also have the all red paint scheme he used in the Bud Shootout. I have a one auto'd Harvick car that I got when he came to a local store one time.

[ramos]

The Harvick 9/11 car usually goes for 150-175 without an autograph. If I had the funds Id definatly take it off your hands.

Im getting pumped for the Allstate 400... I love the ESPN commercials.

Well I have it here so if you ever decide on it just let me know.

[avsfan21]

Interesting.

# Dale Earnhardt Inc. and Ginn Racing Merge; Official Announcement: Dale Earnhardt Inc. has become even stronger through a merger with Ginn Racing. Effective immediately, the team will feature the Chevys of #15-Paul Menard, #1-Martin Truex Jr., #8-Dale Earnhardt Jr., #01-Mark Martin and #01-Aric Almirola. Martin and Almirola will combine to drive the #01 Army Chevy for the remainder of the 2007 season as well as the entire 2008 season. Menard drives the Menards Chevy, Truex drives the Bass Pro Shops Chevy and Earnhardt handles driving duties of the Budweiser Chevy. All four entries are inside the top 35 in Nextel Cup points heading into this weekend's Brickyard 400. Regan Smith, who was originally slated to drive the Ginn Clubs and Resorts Chevy in the Brickyard 400, will instead compete in the Craftsman Truck Series race at Indianapolis Raceway Park Friday night in the Ginn Resorts Chevy Silverado. Specific schedules for Martin, Smith and Almirola will be announced later. In addition to Nextel Cup Series competition, the company will continue to field entries in the Busch Series, the Busch East Series and will analyze its future involvement in the Craftsman Truck Series. The numerous teams of Dale Earnhardt Inc. will operate from both the original facility built by Dale and Teresa Earnhardt as well as the nearly 180,000-square-foot facility currently housing Ginn Racing's teams. The buildings are less than five miles apart in Mooresville, N.C. Dale Earnhardt Inc.'s current management team will be responsible for all day-to- day activities and transition plans have already begun to develop. John Story, vice president of motorsports operations for DEI will oversee the expansion of the company's racing efforts. In completing this merger, points on Ginn Racing's #13 car, which was 34th in Nextel Cup owner's points, have been eliminated.(Dale Earnhardt Inc PR), been told the #78 team will NOT be allowed to buy the points for the #13 car, and have been told that the #21 Ford will move up into the top 35 of owners pts and get the guaranteed spot. Bill Elliott will run the #21 car at Indy with Ken Schrader in the #49, no word yet if Schrader will return to the #21 at Pocono next week.(7-25-2007)

# OWNERS POINTS revised after the DEI/Ginn Racing Merger announced on July 25, 2007, the #14 points are transferred to the #15 [Paul Menard] who moves up from 39th to 30th and is guaranteed a starting spot at Indy. The #13 team is closed and was 34th on owners pts, so the #21 Team moves from 36th to 35th and is guaranteed a starting spot, BUT is now only 7 pts ahead of 36th in owners pts, #22 [Blaney]. Plus the #78 and #36 teams get in the race if qualifying is cancelled. There are now 47 full time teams in Nextel Cup instead of 47. See my unofficial owners pts after Chicago page for the revised standings.(7-25-2007)

I guess that is one way to buy a spot into the race. Sucks for Marlin and Nemechek who are not out of a ride. I guess that also means the end of Hendrick help for Ginn cars.

[Bronko]

I can't believe they didn't sell off the points to the 13 car. What's the use in just getting rid of the car without auctioning the points off to a team like Morgan-McClure or Furniture Row who would pay tons to get into the top 35.

[avsfan21]

It is just kind of strange that this happened now. Also there are rumors that Yates will announce friday that he is merging with the Newman/Haas Cart team. We see if that one becomes true.

[ramos]

Thanks bro. Hopefully Ill be working soon, so maybe Ill have some money in the coming months.. but I dont want to make you wait.

No problem. I have it here. I also have the red Bud Shootout paint scheme one.

[avsfan21]

Nice to see Reed on the Pole. I found it amazing that when Robby Gordon went out in a car with no stickers on it that you cant even tell the make of the car without the stickers. It really could have been all of them. One of the reasons my passion for nascar has been diminishing.

[sremmaz]

Man Pit Road is a dangerous place tonight

[avsfan21]

Nice to see Toyota get its first Busch win.

Also nice to see that Steve Wallace couldnt get his car back to the pits without wrecking. It wouldnt be an official busch race without him wrecking.

[R. Giles]

I came in from outside after the race was done and my dad was cracking up laughing about Wallace wrecking. Wished they showed it again since I missed it.

[R. Giles]

I would agree but doesn't help his father thinks he has a ton of talent.

[R. Giles]

That I will agree with

[R. Giles]

good for you your chance will come within the first 5 mins of pre race coverage tomorrow.

[Bronko]

Well I knew it was going to be hard to keep Tony behind him especially at Indy, but man that Elvis car would look good in victory lane today.

[avsfan21]

Wow I didnt know that JPM had never run at Indy in his life. I guess he must have won the Indy 500 at a different track.

[R. Giles]

Needed one more caution for Montoya to have a shot.

[R. Giles]

Wow I didnt know that JPM had never run at Indy in his life. I guess he must have won the Indy 500 at a different track.

I heard that and could only shake my head.

[R. Giles]

Rusty Wallace needs to worry about his crappy son wrecking cars not Stewart climbing the fence.

[avsfan21]

Could that be a fine for saying the S word in the interview?

[deogg]

Oh my Tony said a bad word! He's gonna hear about it.

[Bronko]

Yeah, he's going to be missing some points.

[lloydchristmas81]

Could that be a fine for saying the S word in the interview?

They wouldn't fine him points for that would they? If it's only $$ I'm sure he thinks it's well worth it.


Pretty good fantasy day.

Stewart 1
Ky Busch 4
Martin 6
Stremme 26

[avsfan21]

They have penalized points in the past for saying cuss words in interviews.

I had a decent day. Not sure I will pick up any places but I had 3rd, 4th, 5th and about 23rd.

[avsfan21]

Wonder if anything will come from the little post race bump that sent harvick to the nascar hauler.

[cflames89]

They have penalized points in the past for saying cuss words in interviews.

I had a decent day. Not sure I will pick up any places but I had 3rd, 4th, 5th and about 23rd.

What did Junior get slapped with a couple of years ago?

[lloydchristmas81]

Wonder if anything will come from the little post race bump that sent harvick to the nascar hauler.

They said Harvick was called to the "nascar trailer" or something like that after the race. They went away from coverage before he came back out.

[avsfan21]

What did Junior get slapped with a couple of years ago?

I want to say they took 50 points from Jr, but it might have been 25.

[avsfan21]

Ok upon review it was 25 points.

[cflames89]

For some reason I thought it was 50 for a bit earlier today as well.

[x90mattman]

Didn't he have to dig out 10 grand from his loose change pile too? :)

Matt

Ok upon review it was 25 points.

[avsfan21]

Here is the thing from jayski on that penalty.

UPDATE - Fined and Docked 25 points: Driver Dale Earnhardt Jr. was penalized with a loss of 25 championship driver points and a $10,000 fine for an inappropriate post-race comment during the live national television broadcast of Sunday’s NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series race at Talladega Superspeedway, NASCAR officials announced today. Earnhardt Jr., driver of the #8 Budwesier Chevrolet, was in violation of Section 12-4-A (Actions detrimental to stock car racing) of the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup Series Rule Book for using inappropriate language. The penalty also will extend to the team as Dale Earnhardt Inc. will lose 25 championship owner points for the actions of its driver. Earnhardt Jr.’s championship points total will be adjusted from 5,543 points to 5,518 as a result of the penalty, and will drop him from first to second in the Chase for the NASCAR NEXTEL Cup. Kurt Busch and Roush Racing will assume the lead with 5,530 points, 12 ahead of Earnhardt Jr. and DEI, respectively.(NASCAR PR)

[cflames89]

That 25 points killed Jooyner though.

Took him right out of the chase that year, killed his momentum off the Dega win.

[Bronko]

What cost Jr that year was his wreck in Atlanta. If he had held on and finished in the top five he would have probably won the title over Dumbo.

[avsfan21]

Well Tony lost 25 points and fined 25k. Not shocking.

[avsfan21]

Robby Gordon is such an idiot.

[avsfan21]

Harvick should thank Robby for that win. If it wasnt for him taking out Ambrose and getting himself DQed.

[Bronko]

Gordon will be suspended for that, he has to be.

[Bronko]

But who thought road course racing could be so exciting :D

[lloydchristmas81]

Robby Gordon is such an idiot.


What did he do now? I just flipped it over to the Busch race.



Oh....now I see, he won the race?? Sounds like it was an exciting race.

[Bronko]

Gordon didn't win even though he was the first to cross the line. He was black flagged, didn't comply, and then intentionally spun out the leader. But he still did the burnouts and was headed to victory lane until officals surrounded his car and stopped him. Then he had a terse interview where he said he won the race and will appeal it.

[lcbailey]

Surley NASCAR will suspend Robby Gordon for ignoring where to restart and then spinning out Ambrose causing him the shot at the win. What was Harvick doing in the Busch race a couple of years ago when they sat him for the Cup race for "rough" driving

[avsfan21]

I feel sorry for Ambrose. It would have been kind of cool to see him win his first race.

[lcbailey]

Thanks for the clarification. I used to think Robby got a raw deal. Never again will I root for a guy that shows such a complete lack of respect for NASCAR officials.

[sub4]

I used to support Robby until the crap he pulled at the first ever Chase race in '04 (with Biffle I believe) that knocked Mayfield and Stewart out of the race.

[DMM77]

Damn, I missed it. I need to find a video of that.

[avsfan21]

Here is nascar's view on the subject.

NASCAR issued a statement Saturday evening about the incident during the Busch race from Ramsey Poston, NASCAR Managing Director of Corporate Communications: "Once the caution came out on Lap 72 the field was frozen. Once the field is frozen, all cars must maintain cautious pace in order to be scored. At the time that the field was frozen, the #59 was in the lead. The #55 did not maintain cautious pace and by NASCAR rule, cars not maintaining cautious pace are scored only when they blend back into the continuous line. The 55 based on our scoring was ordered to blend back in behind the #33 in front of the #7. The tower ordered the #55 multiple times to get in to position. The directive was acknowledged by the crew chief of the #55 and the crew chief also communicated the order to the driver of the #55. The driver ignored NASCAR’s directive. He was warned that he would be black flagged if he did not comply. Once the #55 crossed the start-finish line he was posted per the NASCAR rule book and at that time the directive to display the black flag was given. After contact with the 5#9 on Lap 73, NASCAR took emergency action per the rule book Section12-2 thus parking the #55, which was also ignored. The black flag with the white cross was displayed to the #55 when it crossed the start-finish line on lap 74. The #55 finished the race in the 18th position.”(NASCAR PR)(8-4-2007)

They are also thinking about not letting him race tomorrow, which I would fully agree with.

[R. Giles]

They should ban him from racing for 3 weeks.

[Leafsfan1967]

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20070805/capt.089b1cf72a684baa831243eab60eb638.nascar_busch_auto_racing_ryr108.jpg

Nascar Busch driver Robby Gordon (55) runs into the back of race leader Marcos Ambrose during the final laps of the NAPA Auto Parts 200 NASCAR Busch series race at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve in Montreal, Canada, Saturday, Aug. 4, 2007. Gordon was black-flagged for the incident in the race won by Kevin Harvick.
(AP Photo/Tom Boland,CP)

[cflames89]

Quick question, do the drivers not need NASCAR sanction to race, kind of like a license?

If so, they should just revoke his altogether.

[cflames89]

Well, he has been suspended for at least todays race:

http://tsn.ca/auto_racing/news_story/?ID=215521&hubname=

[BurningSoul]

Robby Gordon is a whiney *****. I wish he would just go away. Why does he even race in Nascar? Does he even have fans? I never seen any when I went to races.

[x90mattman]

I think Robby got robbed,I watched the race this morning and in the replays I saw he passed ambrose, and when he went into the corner the yellow was flying, so when he got punted he was already in the caution state. (To me it looked like he let off the gas when he saw the flag..) So Nascar should have put him back in the lead. And I think I probly would have done the same thing to Ambrose if I got jacked like that, not like it's really hurting robby, I'm sure his car will do the same with PJ Jones as it does with him in it :-). Robby equals Ricky Bobby in the busch races..if you ain't first, your last! So hell, go big or go home!

[cflames89]

I think Robby got robbed,I watched the race this morning and in the replays I saw he passed ambrose, and when he went into the corner the yellow was flying, so when he got punted he was already in the caution state. (To me it looked like he let off the gas when he saw the flag..) So Nascar should have put him back in the lead. And I think I probly would have done the same thing to Ambrose if I got jacked like that, not like it's really hurting robby, I'm sure his car will do the same with PJ Jones as it does with him in it :-). Robby equals Ricky Bobby in the busch races..if you ain't first, your last! So hell, go big or go home!

It is not based on where you see the flag, but when NASCAR shows the caution, and then they revert back to the last scoring loop.

[sremmaz]

I don't like Robby Gordon, but I think he got screwed in that race too. He should have followed the rules and instructions of NASCAR but I think he did get screwed

[R. Giles]

ESPN would be so much better if they didn't go the whole first lap with the freaking spotters talking.

[lloydchristmas81]

Does the ESPN draft Track annoy the hell out of everyone? Or is it just me?

[cflames89]

Does the ESPN draft Track annoy the hell out of everyone? Or is it just me?

I caught it for a minute last week, and I was like, WTH!!!!!!!!!!!

[R. Giles]

That is one stupid thing ESPN does

[lloydchristmas81]

They just did the spotter thing again.....you are right...that is annoying too.

[DonJuanHomer]

I have not been able to watch much racing this year, however I was given a Sunday off and I must say...ESPN coverage seems to, uhm, blow at times. It seems like they are making sure there is no dead air, like a moment of silent where all we here are the cars would take away form the broadcast. Less mouth flappin, and more engines-a-roarin!!!!

Also, I don't think my gamble paid off in the Fantasy this week. I was so sure Waltrip would suprise people!!!! As it stands I have 2 in top 10, but 2 in the 20 and down....

[DonJuanHomer]

On a positive note....

I did enjoy the Napa commercial with Waltrip where he is reading his latest batch of fanmail....

Not sure which one were funnier, the one insinuating(sp) he had the e-brake on, or the one where he said that no, his head has always been on his shoulders... good stuff!!!

[Bronko]

Does anyone else feel like it's a form of punishment watching a race at Pocono?

[R. Giles]

Does anyone else feel like it's a form of punishment watching a race at Pocono?

It is punishment for everyone involved except the nascar officials.

[avsfan21]

I think Robby got robbed,I watched the race this morning and in the replays I saw he passed ambrose, and when he went into the corner the yellow was flying, so when he got punted he was already in the caution state. (To me it looked like he let off the gas when he saw the flag..) So Nascar should have put him back in the lead. And I think I probly would have done the same thing to Ambrose if I got jacked like that, not like it's really hurting robby, I'm sure his car will do the same with PJ Jones as it does with him in it :-). Robby equals Ricky Bobby in the busch races..if you ain't first, your last! So hell, go big or go home!

From what I took from the Nascar statement was that Robby passed Ambrose after the yellow came out which means he for sure wouldnt be in the lead. Now second maybe. Although you cant just ignore nascar saying go here so that you can spin the guy out as soon as the green flag falls.

[cflames89]

Does anyone else feel like it's a form of punishment watching a race at Pocono?

I miss taking my Sunday nap while watching Pocono.

[avsfan21]

Also to answer who asked the question about the licenses. I am pretty sure that there is something like, maybe not a license but Nascar has to Ok you or something. They were talking about something like that when Montoya announced he was coming to nascar.

[cflames89]

Also to answer who asked the question about the licenses. I am pretty sure that there is something like, maybe not a license but Nascar has to Ok you or something. They were talking about something like that when Montoya announced he was coming to nascar.

Thank you.

[R. Giles]

I'm really getting annoyed with ESPN's coverage of Nascar between dimwit commentators to crappy music all the time to stupid gimmicks.

[R. Giles]

Rusty needs to go. He makes me want to punch babies.

I'm happy I didn't have one here or I would have

[lcbailey]

If he says Air, Illtellya, Dude, or DAVID GILLIAND one more time..... heads will roll!

Don't forget "That Cat"
He is worse than Wally Dallenbach (never thought I would say that)

[R. Giles]

He was good for one thing... driving a car. Now hes just making NASCAR look bad....

Nascar is pretty good at making itself look bad without horrible commentating.

[Purdue_Pete]

Rusty needs to go. He makes me want to punch babies.


LOL!

[x90mattman]

I realize that, and I guess that's part of the problem, we didn't get to see exactly when the full course yellow came out. I would guess that when Robby got spun, the full course yellow was out, as the flag was waving before they got there. However, ESPN did a crap job of showing where those 2 were when the local caution went to full course caution. Worst case scenario though, Robby was still second...

Next week should be fun...

Matt

It is not based on where you see the flag, but when NASCAR shows the caution, and then they revert back to the last scoring loop.

[avsfan21]

Should be interesting to see if Robby gets anymore penalties for this weekend. I guess we will find out tuesday.

Not a bad day in the league I had like the 3rd highest points only problem is the 2 people in front of me where were the 2 people that had more points.

[ramos]

Not a bad day in the league I had like the 3rd highest points only problem is the 2 people in front of me where were the 2 people that had more points.

I tried to go opposite of what the guys ahead of me because I wont make up any ground if I pick the same drivers that you guys in front of me pick. I left Hamlin on my bench because I figured he was due for a bad run at Pocono but I was wrong.:(

[Gooker1]

But who thought road course racing could be so exciting :D

I love the road courses b/c it makes up for crap like Pocono. So I'm excited about the Glen this week. Plus, I want to see the 24 and 48 qualify instead of getting parked. I really think they should double on one of those road courses and drop Pocono.

I loved hearing Montoya say, "Man this race is really long." and I think they were barely past he halfway point! (probably not, but it sure felt that way) I guess there were some exciting portions of the race, like watching the 8 have trouble then through pit strategy finish 2nd. That was mighty impressive. Too bad the runs got shorter at the end of the race, b/c the 24 was great on the +25 lap runs.

Thank jeebus Robbie got parked. That guy is a total ******. I really can't stand him. It sucks that Ambrose didn't get a chance for the win b/c he got punted like that, but I guess he got in to Robbie too, but like they were saying, you couldn't see if Robbie got into the back of him or not b/c of the lame camera angles


Don't forget "That Cat"
He is worse than Wally Dallenbach (never thought I would say that)

Sorry, no one is worse than Dallenbach. But I do miss the NBC/TNT and Fox crew. Andy Petrie (Sp?) is just too damn dry to listen too. I don't mind Rusty, b/c anything he says is more interesting than Petrie.


Anyhoo - I'm actually heading to my first Nascar race in a month in Fontana. Anyone ever been there for a race? Any tips?

[avsfan21]

I dont think they should double on any of the road courses, but adding a few more wouldnt be bad either.

[sub4]

It appears that Shrub will be headed to the #18 car next year fella's.

[Jigga4Dub]

Anyhoo - I'm actually heading to my first Nascar race in a month in Fontana. Anyone ever been there for a race? Any tips?

It's going to be really hot so you should being lots of water and sunscreen. The race gets boring because the field gets really spread out and traffic leaving the track is horrible. My first race I attended was at California Speedway, and I enjoyed it. Its way different seeing a race in person than it is watching it on tv.

[Gooker1]

It's going to be really hot so you should being lots of water and sunscreen. The race gets boring because the field gets really spread out and traffic leaving the track is horrible. My first race I attended was at California Speedway, and I enjoyed it. Its way different seeing a race in person than it is watching it on tv.


Thanks for the advice!!

So, Robbie Gordon offered a Cup ride for Marcose Ambrose at the Glen this weekend. I think that's pretty sweet of him, and I hope Ambrose can get through qualifying. I'll be rooting for the 24 and Ambrose.

[sub4]

Qualifying rained out today. And bad news for all 6 or 7 of us Mayfield fans out there, as he will not be returning to BDR next year.

[CJenks]

qualifying getting cancelled is such b/s for the drivers that arent in already... It allows people like jeremy mayfield to get in the race.... while others like boris said get the shaft...

[avsfan21]

Oh well there isnt much you can do about the weather. Since Nascar is too scared to run rain tires, there is nothing that can be done.

[Bronko]

Which is why they should let all the go or go homers qualify Saturday to see who makes the race.

[sub4]

qualifying getting cancelled is such b/s for the drivers that arent in already... It allows people like jeremy mayfield to get in the race.... while others like boris said get the shaft...

Damn, I didn't realize the 36 was in the top 43 in owner's points! Yeah, that sucks for guys like Said. I thought he was supposed to be running more races this year?

[R. Giles]

Damn, I didn't realize the 36 was in the top 43 in owner's points! Yeah, that sucks for guys like Said. I thought he was supposed to be running more races this year?

Said will be in the 21 car tomorrow since his car didn't make it. Also sucks for Ambrose since he was going to run a Robby Gordon car.

[lloydchristmas81]

Who's everyone starting today.


I have
Harvick
Montoya
Truex Jr.

and I can't decide between
Said
Fellows

[ramos]

Well that's just great. I just lost half my team(Montoya,Harvick) in one crash again. That's about the 3rd time that has happened to me this year.:mad: :(

[Bronko]

Who would have ever guessed that Montoya would once again show his ass and take out Harvick and Burton. Then he shoves Harvick multiple times, while Kevin actually keep his cool and doesn't retaliate. Juan better get a penalty from that.

[R. Giles]

So thought Montoya could finish first or second but blocking leads to what happened a big wreck.

[avsfan21]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! MONTOYA MUST DIE!

Well I guess you should kill Truex while you are at it since he wreck Montoya in the first place.

[Bronko]

Only after Montoya practically drove into the grass blocking him.

[avsfan21]

Only after Montoya practically drove into the grass blocking him.

Yeah no one else would ever have done that either. :rolleyes: I have seen the saint named Harvick done it a number of times as well.

[ramos]

Yeah no one else would ever have done that either. :rolleyes: I have seen the saint named Harvick done it a number of times as well.

Yeah I cant totally blame Montoya as he was blocking as anybody else would have at that point. That's one of those racing deals. Harvick did a good job keeping his cool though. I think he is on probabtion,heck he's always on probation lol. This is a bad points day for Harvick though.:(

[Bronko]

Yeah no one else would ever have done that either. :rolleyes: I have seen the saint named Harvick done it a number of times as well.

Of course, they all do it at sometime or another. And if Harvick gets dumped for blocking than you wouldn't hear me crying about it.

[avsfan21]

Also should be interesting to see if Harvick is fined 25 points and 25K for the word he said in his interview.

[Gooker1]

Damn!! I can't believe Gordon lost another race on the last few laps. That's two races that got away from him - Texas and now Watkins Glen. Man that's really disappointing. But I guess it makes up for some of the luckier wins he pulled off. I didn't want to see the 20 get another victory too.

I don't see how anyone can blame Montoya for the 29. It was clearly obvious that the 1 bumped the 42. Harvick was the instigator as he was the first one to touch Montoya after they got out. He grabbed Juan's helmet first, then juan grabbed harvicks. Cooler heads will prevail once Harvick sits down and watches the video and chats w/ Montoya.

Great race overall, crying shame that the 24 blew it :(

[avsfan21]

Yeah sucks that Gordon made the mistake, but when be brings home number 5 this year no one will care about it.

[avsfan21]

It is hard to see because where the camera was but Harvick had Montoya by the helment when he first went up to him.

[avsfan21]

I didnt see it the first time either, but I caught it on the replay.

[Gooker1]

I was really waiting for a punch to be thrown... 5 years ago Kevin Harvick probably wouldve. Im glad he just grabbed him.. it couldve been really bad for him.


Yea, there are a lot of angles to this one. The first shot that was live was from JPM's back. And it looks like JPM is the instigator by grabbing his helmet first. But later on during that red flag, they showed the view from Harvick's back, and you can see that Harvick put his hand up to JPM's helmet first, and I can imagine that JPM wasn't too pleased b/c the accident wasn't his fault.

But yes, from the first shot, I thought JPM started it, but it was actually Harvick. Plus when someone keeps threatening to kick your ass, and it wasn't your fault, I'd get pretty defensive and pushy too :)

[Sinsightful]

like Harvick said, every week it seems Montoya is either getting into it with a driver or just punting them out of the way.

and like Pablo said, they were sluggish on every restart because of their gear ratio,......if its that bad and Truex has a run on you, you had no business trying to put that aggresive a block on him in the first place.

and Rusty seemed a little to eager to see a fight seeing as he was speaking as a broadcaster.

[avsfan21]

The block wasnt that aggressive. It wasnt like he cut in front of him right before he was hit. It was just one of those deals where he took the inside line trying to protect the position and He got on the breaks a little sooner than Truex and Truex got into the back of him.

[Sinsightful]

jumping from one side of the track to the other....I call that an aggresive block and yes, Pablo had time to steady hisself before he managed to plow into Harvick and then not use his brakes after he did spin.....had he used his brakes, he wouldn't have collected Burton.

[avsfan21]

That block was no different than you saw on just about any other restart at the Glen or Pocono. They are all the same. That is just racing. If you think a car is faster than you, you go to the inside of to try and make them go to the outside.

[Gooker1]

That block was no different than you saw on just about any other restart at the Glen or Pocono. They are all the same. That is just racing. If you think a car is faster than you, you go to the inside of to try and make them go to the outside.

Agree - you saw that on most of the restarts

[avsfan21]

Well I kind of hope that the race doesnt go tomorrow either. I will be on the road back to Atlanta tomorrow afternoon and dont want it on while I am driving.

[Gooker1]

Is this race on today, or is it raining again?

[R. Giles]

I don't know I'm at work so can't listen to it.

Seems it was pushed back from noon today to 2:30 because of rain.