The Official NASCAR Fan Thread- Texas Motor Speedway, TX (04/06/08) Race 7

[avsfan21]

It is never going to work. It is one of the main reasons I dont even care about Nascar anymore. It is just too big of a gimmick now.

[avsfan21]

I would watch Sports Cars/Endurance racing over nascar any day of the week now. I use to bash any other racing other than Nascar now I find myself the other way around. I would almost rather watch any other racing over Nascar. It just isnt the same since the 90s really.

[sub4]

For me, I haven't watched as much because it is hard not having a favorite driver to go for now that Mayfield is out of Cup. That, and the majority of these 1 1/2 mile tracks are boring.

[Gooker1]

I can't stand Carl Edwards, so seeing his post race interview and the reaction on his face after seeing that the 48 finished second was priceless. That might be the highlight of the season for me!! :) LOVE IT

[exanimate]

I haven't watched 1 race this season. I just can't get into it anymore. I had free tickets to Martinsville and gave them away.

[Bronko]

Anyone find it ironic that both the CTS and Nationwide series are having close point battles right down to the finale, but the Chase is in its 3rd season of boredom :p.

[Buick GN]

I haven't watched 1 race this season. I just can't get into it anymore. I had free tickets to Martinsville and gave them away.In my opinion the CoT has ruined the racing. Safer for the driver, yes. Boring racing, yes.

If you're out front in clear air your car is a rocket. I too can't get into the Cup racing anymore. I still attend my local tracks and attend the GN West races, though

During the televised Cup races I find myself taking several naps. CoT = death to the series. (I usually miss most Nationwide races, as I work on Saturdays)

The Truck series has dominated the Cup series for several years now for excitement. It's ashame.

[Buick GN]

I know this hasnt been topped in a while... but just a reminder that the Toyota All Star Showdown begins tonight on SPEED with the qualifying races, and the main race is tomorrow night. These usually always turn out to be a great race between some tested short track veterans, and some new up, and comers. I believe Logano is running it as well.

Logano
Hornaday Jr.
Auggie Vidovich
GOAT = greatest of all time, Ricky Carmichael
David Gilliland
Jarit Johnson - JJ's brother
Steve Park
Matt Crafton
Mike Harvick, Kevin's father will be a CC for the #19 entry - Driver Terry Henry.
Just to name a few.

Three classes, Camping World, Super Lates, and Lates.

Friday night's events have been called.. it's been raining all day.

"Racing has been washed out for Friday night. All three races will be held Saturday, with the TV coverage beginning on SPEED at 7 p.m. ET. With rain lightening up at Irwindale, NASCAR is still going to attempt to get in some practice and possibly qualifying before the 10 p.m. curfew."


(I'm a big fan of the CW West series and attend as many West races as I can. I'm good friends w/ a driver that will race tomorrow and a CC that will be on a box tomorrow night.)

[avsfan21]

Well the Rolex 24 is this weekend. It is just a shame that Nascar killed that race.

[Leafsfan1967]

Can someone who's around here lots start a new thread for this year's nascar season? It doesn't look like this thread author is around much anymore, and it pisses me off when I look at a thread title that hasn't been updated since last April!!!!

[exanimate]

Or at least contact the admin and have him change the thread title to Official Nascar Thread or something.

[avsfan21]

Wow that was a Bull**** move by Lagano. No way he should be able to keep that win.

[Buick GN]

Logano did what he needed to do to win. Thats old style short track win or, bring it back on the tow truck style racing. That was his win, he was robbed.. plain and simple. Hornaday did the same thing TWICE, and wasnt penalized. Typical NASCAR with their pencil rulebook. In my eyes, Logano is the winner. Kobyluck just got a gift.I have nothing positive to say about Hornaday Jr. He was overdriving all night, which led to him taking out Ickler, who was the class of the CW race. NASCAR has a huge black eye. It was embarrassing to watch, being a KHI and West fan. I won't even comment on the Superlates.(3 green flag laps) Think of all the crews, drivers, and sponsors that humped for weeks to race on a national stage..just to be taken out by veterans/run 3 green flag laps (lates and supers could of ran on Sunday)

If you want to follow the West:
www.racingwest.com

..and for the East:
www.eastseries.com

[avsfan21]

Well this format Bud Shootout is pretty stupid. They should go back to using the pole winners from last season. This is just a ploy to get more cars into the race.

[Leafsfan1967]

Happy Harvick wins!!!

[Buick GN]

STOKED!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/BuickGN/Infineon%20Cup%202008/IMG_0109.jpg

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[Bronko]

Didn't get to see the race, but glad the winless streak was broken. Now let's just hope they do the same thing next week :D

[avsfan21]

Didn't get to see the race, but glad the winless streak was broken. Now let's just hope they do the same thing next week :D

Except that it really wasnt as the Shootout doesnt really count. Nice to see that Martin is on the the front row. Hopefully he has a good showing in his possibly last 500.

[Buick GN]

2nd in points!

:)

[Jason62]

ugh rain shortened. some good racing and foolish crashes. Martin finished out of the top 15 so i was an ok race, really wanted to see him win.

[Steve G.]

Kudos to the Old Man! He can still hang with the young guns. I was pulling for Tony, but Mark was just too good tonight!

Saturday was my first race that I have been to. Really enjoyed it is one heck of a party. Mark really deserved the win he came out flying through the rest of the field. From what I noticed JR needs to fire his cousin his pit crew did not do to good.

[smwomer48]

Saturday was my first race that I have been to. Really enjoyed it is one heck of a party. Mark really deserved the win he came out flying through the rest of the field. From what I noticed JR needs to fire his cousin his pit crew did not do to good.

If Jimmie couldn't win it, I was glad to see Mark pull it out. He had the dominant car most of the night and when he had clean air in front of him he was hard to catch. The respect he has from his fellow drivers was displayed in victory lane plus in the post-race interviews. Well deserved for such a class act. Call me biased, I still think Jimmie Johnson will win his fourth straight Sprint Cup title. But Mark will make the Chase and be a serious contender along with Gordon, Busch, Edwards, etc.

As for Jr., Mark's win bumped him down to the worst driver for Hendrick Motorsports. Time to stop living off of daddy's last name and people to wake up and realize he's the most overrated driver in NASCAR.

[Buick GN]

RCR Shifts Crew Chiefs and Road Crews of 29 and 07 Teams

WELCOME, N.C. (April 22, 2009) -- Richard Childress Racing’s No. 07 Jack Daniel’s crew will become the No. 29 Shell-Pennzoil crew, and vice versa, immediately following this weekend’s race at Talladega (Ala.) Superspeedway.
Crew chief Gil Martin and his crew will move to the No. 29 team with driver Kevin Harvick while Todd Berrier and his crew will take over the No. 07 team with driver Casey Mears. In addition to the crew chiefs, the transition will include car chiefs, engineers, shock specialists, engine tuners, tire specialists, mechanics, transporter drivers and over-the-wall pit crews. Harvick and Mears, who will maintain their race spotters, are currently 16th and 22nd, respectively, in the Sprint Cup Series point standings after eight races.

“The decision to interchange the 29 and 07 teams was made to make both programs stronger and more successful,” said Richard Childress, president and CEO of Richard Childress Racing. “Our main objective has always been to have all four of RCR’s teams qualify for the Chase for the Sprint Cup. Neither team has had the success this season that we know they’re capable of, so we decided it was time to make a change to improve the two teams and the overall strength of RCR. We feel this change positions us to achieve that goal.

“Todd and Gil are proven winners who have strong and successful teams behind them. Chemistry is an important part of any successful organization and I felt it was time to change the makeup of these two teams. We’ve done this before with positive results.”

Berrier was named crew chief of the No. 29 team in March 2003. He and Harvick have eight Cup victories together, including the 2007 Daytona 500 and 2003 Brickyard 400. Berrier previously led Harvick to the 2001 NASCAR Nationwide Series championship, the 2000 Nationwide Series Rookie of the Year award and seven NNS victories with RCR’s No. 2 team. He has been with RCR since 1994.

Martin was named crew chief of the No. 07 team in December 2005. He has four Sprint Cup Series victories with three RCR drivers, including Clint Bowyer, Harvick and Robby Gordon. Martin was the crew chief of the No. 29 team in 2002 and went on to guide Harvick to victory in that season’s race at Chicagoland Speedway. He moved to the program’s team manager position in March 2003 where he remained until midway through the 2004 season. Martin has been with RCR since 2000.

[Bronko]

No more Todd Berrier :D

[Jason62]

I know Martin wont win the championship this year or probably ever but he is such a nice guy and a good racer to go down without one.

[avsfan21]

This season has been horrible so far. I think I watched the first 3 races and havent watched more than a few laps of the races since. The COT has been the worst thing to happen to nascar.

[Buick GN]

The COT has been the worst thing to happen to nascar.Agreed

Given it's a safer car for the driver, but it's driving me away from watching as well.

[avsfan21]

Wow Matt Kenseth goes for a wild ride in the Busch race.

[Buick GN]

'The Big One' - Lap 8

:(

[R. Giles]

Wow like 20 cars involved in that wreck.

[Buick GN]

Plate racing. :(

Just like rolling the dice.

[Buick GN]

Hopefully Rowdy can pull thru since Kevins out.... :(

FAIL

[Buick GN]

Not really.:p ....unless your talking about Kevins season so far... then youre right... FAIL. His team is a joke.

Old news.

RC addressed this issue last Wednesday.

[Bronko]

Wow! Edwards went for a wild ride that almost ended in the stands, and Brad Keselowski wins a stunner :eek:

[Ronzie]

Anybody but Kyle Busch.

[BurningSoul]

Damn, what a finish! Hopefully no one in the crowd was hurt from flying debris. Edwards nearly went over the fence. I wonder how many people in the crowd had to change their drawers after that?

[avsfan21]

I guess that means we can catch up on some sleep on the weekends again.

[avsfan21]

I hate when they do these stupid green/yellow starts. Either start the race or dont.

[Buick GN]

NASCAR suspends Sprint Cup driver under terms of drug policy

By Jim Utter - jutter@charlotteobserver.com
Saturday, May. 09, 2009

NASCAR has suspended a Sprint Cup driver under terms of its substance abuse policy - immediately and indefinitely - in advance of Saturday night’s race at Darlington (S.C.) Raceway, ThatsRacin.com and The Charlotte Observer have learned.

Sources said the driver, who has not been identified by officials, was found to have violated Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing) and 7-5 (violation of the NASCAR substance abuse policy) of the 2009 NASCAR rule book. The determination was based on findings at last weekend’s race at Richmond (Va.) International Raceway.

NASCAR on Saturday declined to discuss the matter, saying that questions would be dealt with in a news conference at the South Carolina track on Saturday at 6 p.m.

Such a suspension would be the first under NASCAR’s drug policies for a driver at the top level, the Sprint Cup Series.

[aspawnfan]

it's Jeremy Mayfield !!!!!

[avsfan21]

So Jeremy Mayfield is the driver.

[aspawnfan]

Hard to believe. Wonder when we'll find out what drug it was?

[Buick GN]

Yep, that's sub4's driver.

[sub4]

Sure is Buick. Hard to believe the up and down career of Mayfield, especially the last 4 years since his back-to-back Chase qualifiers, and now this...

[avsfan21]

I love how everyone is so quick to point out that it wasnt alcohol related. Who cares if it would have been alcohol? As long as he isnt getting drunk before the race or anything. I just cant see alcohol being a banned substance.

[sub4]

This Saving Abel video Mayfield was in recently is pretty fitting:

http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/--209619389

[aspawnfan]

Congrats to Mark Martin!

[avsfan21]

Talk about Hendrick Domination. Pretty much 6 of the top 7 are Hendrick cars. The only one out side of it was the talentless Jr.

[bjk311nh]

Good race. Glad to see Harvick have a decent showing again.

[Buick GN]

Glad to see Harvick have a decent showing again.
Ditto

[smwomer48]

Talk about Hendrick Domination. Pretty much 6 of the top 7 are Hendrick cars. The only one out side of it was the talentless Jr.

I agree. Dale Jr. is showing more and more that he is the most overrated driver in NASCAR. The excuses are endless and tiring. The "it was Jr's first year at Hendrick", "give him more time", excuses why he finished dead last in the Chase last year and is mired in 18th place this year are getting old. Mark Martin in his first year at Hendrick has already won twice and is in the top 12 in points. Gordon, Johnson, Martin, Stewart, and Newman are running well for Hendrick/Stewart-Haas. The lone exception is Mr. Overrated. Gordon, Johnson, and Martin will make the Chase and be serious contenders for the championship. Stewart will make the Chase as well. If Newman can maintain consistency, he will make the Chase as well. How long will Rick Hendrick put up with Jr. not being up to par with the rest of the stable? Brian Vickers and Casey Mears had about 2 years before they were released. Some need to accept the reality that just because Jr. has his father's last name doesn't mean he has his father's talent. Dale Jr. is showing that he is the 2000's version of Kyle Petty.

[bjk311nh]

Agreed. Jr has made and dealt with some bone head moves in the pits.

[avsfan21]

Jr wont be released. He is too much of a money maker, not matter where he finishes.

[bigdaddymcqueen]

i agree as well, they won't release him, but i hate that he's riding his dad's name to fame. in my opinion, that's what he's doing.
my lady is a Kenseth fan, talk about disappointing!!!!

[smwomer48]

Agreed. Jr has made and dealt with some bone head moves in the pits.

Forgot about the pit miscues that Jr. fans like to use as an excuse for his mediocrity. That's getting old as well. Jimmie Johnson got caught a lap down on pit road with the caution flag came out due to the Waltrip fire. He also got spun around in the pits and had to restart 22nd and he rebounded to finish 2nd. A GOOD driver would have the smarts and patience to rebound from mistakes.

[Buick GN]

JJ Yeley is scheduled to replace Mayfield in the #41.

[smwomer48]

I thought they couldnt get any worse...:D

They could have begged Ward Burton to come out of retirement.

[R. Giles]

Well the fans are going to get what they want, Logano and Hornish will wreck the entire field.

[avsfan21]

Total BS that the 20 car got the fan vote. This is exactly why they need to do away with the whole thing.

[R. Giles]

I agree on that I was shocked he got the vote.

[Bronko]

Does Logano even have that big of a fanbase? Or is it a combination of the 20 car, Gibbs, and Zipadelli? At any rate, if I had voted it would have gone to Dinger Nation.

[R. Giles]

I really don't know and Kasey wants a piece of the girl singing the national anthem.

[avsfan21]

It was probably home depot making all their employees vote him in.

[aspawnfan]

I agree that JR is overrated. I don't see Mr Hendrick getting rid of him any time soon. He makes a lot of money for the company in merchandise sales. Also sponsors will pay big bucks to have his smirky smile talking about their product. Those two things will keep him in the car.

[bjk311nh]

I thought it was pretty good as well. Poor Gordon. Harvick had another bad outing, beating maybe one or two cars not involved in "incedences", as DW put it.

[R. Giles]

Ok the cars put on a good show for 10 laps the rest of the night was the most horrible thing I have ever seen.

[avsfan21]

A decent 10 lap shootout does not give me faith that the COT is actually a good car. If they can get racing like that in the 600, that might help. The cars still handle like crap.

[avsfan21]

Just goes to show how bad of a season Harvick is having, when he cant even beat some actor at the gas station.

[fastlane22]

I think Kasey Kahne will be jumping to that ship in the offseason.

[R. Giles]

Yeah I heard Kahne because of his sprint background works well with Stewart and Newman.

[BurningSoul]

Tony Eury out as crew chief for the 88.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4211821


CONCORD, N.C. -- Tony Eury Jr. is out as the crew chief for Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Team manager Brian Whitesell will be the crew chief this weekend at Dover. Lance McGrew will take over next week on an interim basis for NASCAR's most popular driver.

"Our performance hasn't been where it should be," Hendrick Motorsports owner Rick Hendrick said in a prepared statement announcing the change. "It's impossible to pin that on any one factor, but a change is the right decision at this point. We have a plan in place, and we're going to move forward with it."

The team said Whitesell, who won two of seven races as Jeff Gordon's interim crew chief in 1999, and Rex Stump, the team's lead chassis engineer, will support McGrew on a full-time basis, with team engineer Tom Stewart on the No. 88 pit box to assist with race strategy.


"We're going to put our full resources toward improving the situation and winning races," Hendrick said. "It's going to be a collective effort that includes all of our drivers, all of our crew chiefs and all of our engineers. Everyone in our company will be involved on some level."

Eury will move from the crew chief position into a role in the team's Hendrick Motorsports' research and development group.

"I have mixed feelings, and that's just natural," Eury said. "But I enjoy working at Hendrick Motorsports, and this is where I want to be. I'll do whatever I can to help all of our teams and try to be a part of another championship. I think a new challenge will be good."

Hendrick said he discussed the move with Eury on Wednesday night. "I want him here, he wants to be here, and he's going to be a big contributor to our future success," Hendrick said. "I have an unbelievable amount of respect for the job he's done and for the caliber of person that he is."

Hendrick indicated on Tuesday that a change was being considered when he did not give Eury the vote of confidence he has given him on several other occasions this season.

"Could it change?" Hendrick said following a meeting with NASCAR officials at the Research and Development Center. "We're talking about things. We're going to make decisions as the days go by, but we haven't made any decisions as it stands now."

Earnhardt is 19th in points, 203 behind Hendrick Motorsports teammate Mark Martin for the 12th and final Chase spot, after finishing 40th in Monday's rain-delayed, rain-shortened-Coca-Cola 600 at Lowe's Motor Speedway.

That was the third straight race in which NASCAR's most popular driver had finished 27th or worse since a second-place finish at Talladega.

That apparently forced Hendrick's hand.

"We're always concerned when we have a car not run well," he said. "We're always meeting and trying to figure out how to make it better. We've got to come up with a plan and we've got to work toward that.

"We thought we had a pretty good plan coming to Charlotte. I was fairly pleased with the All-Star race and thought we would do better [Monday.] We weren't."

Earnhardt, as he has been much of this season, easily had the worst finish of the four Hendrick Motorsports cars on Monday. Jimmie Johnson was 13th, but ran up front most of the day before getting caught back in the field during the final caution for rain. Gordon was 14th, but felt he had a car that was "coming" before rain stopped the race after 227 of 400 laps. Martin was 17th after running up front early.

"We just missed the setup," Hendrick said. "I can't explain why. We basically were the same for all four cars. They all fought a lot of the same problems early on. As probably a group we were off. We've been better at Charlotte than we were.

"Junior, we never could get that car adjusted back."

Hendrick's lack of commitment to the Earnhardt-Eury partnership came two months after he said there were no plans to separate the two.

"I have no intention of making any changes," Hendrick said the Wednesday after the March 22 race at Bristol. "I have all intentions of making it better. These guys are working their butts off ... and I have to believe in the next few weeks we're going to see some real success out of that crowd.

"My philosophy is you tweak it and inch forward before you cut it apart and completely rebuild it. I see a lot of effort from everybody on the team."

Hendrick said then Earnhardt and Eury each told him they would part if he didn't feel they were working well together. Eury told ESPN.com two weeks ago if Earnhardt didn't make the Chase, he wouldn't blame Hendrick for making a change.

Earnhardt's relationship with his cousin has come under question many times over the years. It came to a head after a rough start to this season that had NASCAR's most popular driver 35th in points after two races.

Earnhardt came to Eury's rescue at Bristol, saying he felt bad for him.

"He gets criticized so bad," he said. "Everybody in this room ... knows how smart of a guy he is, certainly knows he's a good mechanic and a solid crew chief.

"He just wanted to do this for a living just like I do. I'll take the fall. I'd rather be crucified than him. Every time I read in the paper that people are on his case I feel like I'm sending my brother to jail for a crime I committed."

Three straight poor performances apparently sealed Eury's fate.



David Newton covers NASCAR for ESPN.com.

[smwomer48]

Tony Eury out as crew chief for the 88.

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/cup/news/story?id=4211821


CONCORD, N.C. -- Tony Eury Jr. is out as the crew chief for Dale Earnhardt Jr.

Team manager Brian Whitesell will be the crew chief this weekend at Dover. Lance McGrew will take over next week on an interim basis for NASCAR's most popular driver.

"Our performance hasn't been where it should be," Hendrick Motorsports owner Rick Hendrick said in a prepared statement announcing the change. "It's impossible to pin that on any one factor, but a change is the right decision at this point. We have a plan in place, and we're going to move forward with it."

The team said Whitesell, who won two of seven races as Jeff Gordon's interim crew chief in 1999, and Rex Stump, the team's lead chassis engineer, will support McGrew on a full-time basis, with team engineer Tom Stewart on the No. 88 pit box to assist with race strategy.


"We're going to put our full resources toward improving the situation and winning races," Hendrick said. "It's going to be a collective effort that includes all of our drivers, all of our crew chiefs and all of our engineers. Everyone in our company will be involved on some level."

Eury will move from the crew chief position into a role in the team's Hendrick Motorsports' research and development group.

"I have mixed feelings, and that's just natural," Eury said. "But I enjoy working at Hendrick Motorsports, and this is where I want to be. I'll do whatever I can to help all of our teams and try to be a part of another championship. I think a new challenge will be good."

Hendrick said he discussed the move with Eury on Wednesday night. "I want him here, he wants to be here, and he's going to be a big contributor to our future success," Hendrick said. "I have an unbelievable amount of respect for the job he's done and for the caliber of person that he is."

Hendrick indicated on Tuesday that a change was being considered when he did not give Eury the vote of confidence he has given him on several other occasions this season.

"Could it change?" Hendrick said following a meeting with NASCAR officials at the Research and Development Center. "We're talking about things. We're going to make decisions as the days go by, but we haven't made any decisions as it stands now."

Earnhardt is 19th in points, 203 behind Hendrick Motorsports teammate Mark Martin for the 12th and final Chase spot, after finishing 40th in Monday's rain-delayed, rain-shortened-Coca-Cola 600 at Lowe's Motor Speedway.

That was the third straight race in which NASCAR's most popular driver had finished 27th or worse since a second-place finish at Talladega.

That apparently forced Hendrick's hand.

"We're always concerned when we have a car not run well," he said. "We're always meeting and trying to figure out how to make it better. We've got to come up with a plan and we've got to work toward that.

"We thought we had a pretty good plan coming to Charlotte. I was fairly pleased with the All-Star race and thought we would do better [Monday.] We weren't."

Earnhardt, as he has been much of this season, easily had the worst finish of the four Hendrick Motorsports cars on Monday. Jimmie Johnson was 13th, but ran up front most of the day before getting caught back in the field during the final caution for rain. Gordon was 14th, but felt he had a car that was "coming" before rain stopped the race after 227 of 400 laps. Martin was 17th after running up front early.

"We just missed the setup," Hendrick said. "I can't explain why. We basically were the same for all four cars. They all fought a lot of the same problems early on. As probably a group we were off. We've been better at Charlotte than we were.

"Junior, we never could get that car adjusted back."

Hendrick's lack of commitment to the Earnhardt-Eury partnership came two months after he said there were no plans to separate the two.

"I have no intention of making any changes," Hendrick said the Wednesday after the March 22 race at Bristol. "I have all intentions of making it better. These guys are working their butts off ... and I have to believe in the next few weeks we're going to see some real success out of that crowd.

"My philosophy is you tweak it and inch forward before you cut it apart and completely rebuild it. I see a lot of effort from everybody on the team."

Hendrick said then Earnhardt and Eury each told him they would part if he didn't feel they were working well together. Eury told ESPN.com two weeks ago if Earnhardt didn't make the Chase, he wouldn't blame Hendrick for making a change.

Earnhardt's relationship with his cousin has come under question many times over the years. It came to a head after a rough start to this season that had NASCAR's most popular driver 35th in points after two races.

Earnhardt came to Eury's rescue at Bristol, saying he felt bad for him.

"He gets criticized so bad," he said. "Everybody in this room ... knows how smart of a guy he is, certainly knows he's a good mechanic and a solid crew chief.

"He just wanted to do this for a living just like I do. I'll take the fall. I'd rather be crucified than him. Every time I read in the paper that people are on his case I feel like I'm sending my brother to jail for a crime I committed."

Three straight poor performances apparently sealed Eury's fate.



David Newton covers NASCAR for ESPN.com.


The crew chief is always one of the first to blame and get fired. But alot of the poor performances are due to DRIVER error. I'm tired of hearing about constant pit road mistakes because a GOOD and TALENTED driver would know how to recover from those mistakes. Example, back at Darlington Jimmie Johnson got caught a lap down, but was able to get back on the lead lap. Later, he got spun around in the pits by Harvick and restarted 22nd. Love him or hate him, Johnson showed why he is one of NASCAR's elite by showing patience moving up through the field and pit strategy to finish 2nd.

The Junior Nation needs to wake up and realize that Dale Jr. is NOT his father and doesn't have his talent. If Dale had any other last name, he would be driving for Tommy Baldwin, TRG Motorsports, or the Wood Brothers running alot worse than he already is.

[avsfan21]

It is hard to say though. Eury Jr has been his crew chief pretty much his entire Cup career. Perhaps a change can light a fire under his ass or something. I never thought he was that good of a Crew Chief to begin with. It was more that he was his cousin. They always seem to fight each other over the radio and stuff. Should be interesting to see if anything changes or not.

[bjk311nh]

Did anyone enjoy the race last week? Yikes that was terrible. Weather delays really ruin things. Congrats to Reutimann and Michael Waltrip on the win, I am sure he doesn't care how it comes.

[slim em]

I just scored a pair of tickets to the big boys race on Sunday. Turn 4, 11 rows up. :D

Thank you boss!

[Buick GN]

Did anyone enjoy the race last week? Yikes that was terrible. Weather delays really ruin things. Congrats to Reutimann and Michael Waltrip on the win, I am sure he doesn't care how it comes.

No.

The COT is killing the series. (my opinion)

[BurningSoul]

Just when you think Kyle Busch had toned down the doushe factor he comes off like one of the biggest ****tards in the history of NASCAR. I've honestly not hated a sports figure as much as this guy. I'd love for Busch to be in the running with a slim lead in the final race and Jr. to take that ***** out early in the race.

[slim em]

Going to Dover on Sunday. Cant wait!

Awesome bro. My home town.

[R. Giles]

What did Kyle do now.

[Bronko]

Just when you think Kyle Busch had toned down the doushe factor he comes off like one of the biggest ****tards in the history of NASCAR. I've honestly not hated a sports figure as much as this guy. I'd love for Busch to be in the running with a slim lead in the final race and Jr. to take that ***** out early in the race.

As much as I detest Kyle, I can't fault the message just because of the messenger. I say a lot of drivers probably think the same thing, but Kyle is the only one to say it without caring about the repercussions.

[DMM77]

Sour Grapes? Kyle Busch takes dig at Dale Jr.: #18-Kyle Busch said it point-blank: "It's never Junior; it's always the crew chief." Busch fired that opening volley of driver reaction Friday morning to Hendrick Motorsports' dismissal of Tony Eury Jr. as #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.'s crew chief on Thursday. Asked about Eury's replacement, Lance McGrew, with whom Busch worked in the Nationwide Series at Hendrick in 2004, Busch expressed pity for McGrew. "He's got his hands full, I guess, having to deal with what's going on," Busch said. "And if Junior doesn't run well, then he [McGrew] is going to be the 'problem' again." Still, Busch said he understood the move to bolster the driver who replaced him at Hendrick last season, both because of Earnhardt's star power and Busch's salary issues. "You've got to make the most popular driver in the sport competitive, so you gotta do what you gotta do, I guess," Busch said.(ESPN)(5-29-2009)

[R. Giles]

As much as I detest Kyle, I can't fault the message just because of the messenger. I say a lot of drivers probably think the same thing, but Kyle is the only one to say it without caring about the repercussions.

This Tony Stewart was the same way once upon a time.

[BurningSoul]

Where is Jimmy Spencer when you need him?

[BurningSoul]

NASCAR doesn't have to portray Kyle as an asshat, he does a good job at doing that himself. I could understand if Jr. actually did something to Kyle for him to continue to take cheap shots at him...but he hasn't. Maybe he's still bitter Hendrick ditched him. But why? Best thing that could have happened to his career. He's proved he is the better driver so far so why not shut the **** up and move on? But he's too much of a big headed ***** to do that.

I don't have a problem with drivers speaking their minds. But I do have a problem with someone making light and seemingly enjoying anothers failures. Just shows what type a person Kyle is.

[Buick GN]

Dear Brian France,

You're ruining the sport. Hope you like the rain.

- Higher Power

[avsfan21]

Like the truck race was going to be exciting anyway. I pretty much already know the win will come down to 3 drivers.

[Buick GN]

Like the truck race was going to be exciting anyway. I pretty much already know the win will come down to 3 drivers.

I'd rather watch the NASCAR CW West, CW East Series, CW Trucks, Nationwide, or local Super Lates than the 'adjust your front end and bump stops' & 'The car in clean air is the leader' COT crap any day/night.

[smwomer48]

Kyle is my hero. He says what everyone else doesnt have the balls to say. LMAO at the Sour grapes headline. He tells the truth, and no one likes it. Last time I checked... Kyle wins. Jr. doesnt. I cant wait until Sunday to stand up and cheer him, while Moron Nation whines and moans. I cant stand him, and I cant stand his fans.... it pisses me off that NASCAR pits Kyle as the "bad guy" because he speaks his mind about Jr. Since when is he off limits? NASCAR needs more outspoken drivers... too many robots, and Jr. is one of them. Im sick and tired of hearing about him. If he didnt have his last name, he would be nothing, and his idiotic, moronic followers would be following a real driver.

I am not a fan of either Kyle or Junior, but I agree with what Kyle says. Alot of people were sick and tired of hearing how Junior was going to be an immediate championship contender when he joined Hendrick last year. DW, Hammond, & McReynolds all were riding his jock adding to Junior's hype week in and week out. DW predicted Junior would win "at least 6 races" in 2008. What was that grand total, 1 win on fuel mileage. Now this year all we are hearing is the excuses "why Junior is running so poorly" and it's tiring as well. If Junior wants the answer on why he is running poorly all he has to do is take a look in the mirror.

If Junior continues to run poorly, then it will be McGrew's fault just like what everybody is saying. Junior Nation needs to wake up and realize that Johnson, Gordon, Ky. Busch, Edwards, Kenseth, Stewart, etc. are the elite drivers of NASCAR. Having a famous last name only takes you so far. And it hasn't taken Junior to a Cup title and probably never will. He can keep collecting those Most Popular Driver trophies because at this rate that's all he'll be placing on his mantle.

[avsfan21]

Does anyone else find it a bit comical that they are now using Hybrid cars as pace cars? I mean I am pretty sure that they are going fast enough while pacing the field that the electric motor on the hybrid wouldnt even be used, so it is like having a normal car out there anyway.

[avsfan21]

Way go to Logano, not only cost your teammate the win, but take it away from yourself as well. Not that I feel bad for either of them.

[avsfan21]

Ah, Kyle Busch blows a tire while leading. Seems like he is having a great day. Looks like tomorrow is shaping up to be another interesting day with tire problems to go around. Man I love Goodyear. If I were them I would want to take my name off these tires. It cant be good advertising when one blows up every 10-20 laps.

[smwomer48]

Complete domination by Jimmie Johnson and the #48 team at Dover. The dogfight between Tony and Jimmie was one of the best finishes I've ever seen.

I guess the Junior Nation can celebrate something. Plus they actually got to see an ELITE Hendrick driver win a race.

[slim em]

Just got back! Awesome finish! JJ is dominant. Nobody can touch him.

[bjk311nh]

Great finish and Johnson was dominant. Wow......

[aspawnfan]

Nascar to start double file restarts this weekend. it's about time. :D

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- NASCAR will implement double-file restarts with the leaders up front beginning with Sunday's Sprint Cup race at Pocono Raceway.

Series director John Darby recently told ESPN.com that the governing body was looking at using the system that worked so well in the All-Star race.

Officials distributed on Sunday at Dover the outline for procedures that would be used at all Sprint Cup races. "We've heard the fans loud and clear: 'double-file restarts -- shootout style' are coming to the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series," NASCAR chairman and CEO Brian France said. "This addition to the race format is good for competition and good for the fans."

Under the proposed system, all restarts would be double-file with leaders up front and lapped cars behind them. That would avoid leaders having to deal with lapped traffic on the inside on restarts, which currently is the case, or cars trapped at the end of the lead lap starting ahead of the race leader.

The race leader would have the choice of which lane to restart from as he does at the start of the race. The third-place car would always start on the inside lane.

This would eliminate single-file restarts with 20 laps to go. No change is planned in the "lucky dog" rule, in which the first car a lap down gets back on the lead lap after a caution, except now the free pass will be awarded the entire race. In the past, it was not used on the final 10 laps.

Many competitors and owners welcome the change. Felix Sabates, the minority owner of Earnhardt-Ganassi Racing, said two weeks ago he would start immediately.

"I'm excited about it," two-time NASCAR Sprint Cup champion Tony Stewart said. "The good thing is that when they drop the green, you're going to be racing with the guys you're racing for position instead of trying to clear lapped cars.

"Since NASCAR has adapted the 'free pass,' I think that's something that now justifies being able to put those lapped cars to the back and let them race with each other, and let the guys who are racing on the lead lap do the same. I'm behind NASCAR 100 percent on this."

Kevin Harvick is glad NASCAR is listening to the fans.

"These new restart procedures are going to make our sport even more exciting than it already is," he said. "This will not only benefit the lead lap cars, but also the cars that go a lap down, so you get the best of both worlds."

But not everybody was in favor of the change. "In my opinion I think it hurts our racing," three-time defending Cup champion Jimmie Johnson said when the idea was first broached. "As a lap down car you need a chance to try to fight to get your lap back and I like that option that the inside lane has the lapped cars and if you are down a lap you can try to get in there and race for it or two laps.

"I do think some aspects of it is very helpful and I think it's good for the All-Star race, but I like what we have." Juan Pablo Montoya agreed.

"I think if you're racing for points it's crazy," he said. "I think if you're racing for money it's OK, because nobody cares. I think if you have a dominant car all day, it's kind of frustrating to go double-side race starts.

"If you're running first, the guy second just pins you down and you get really loose and you end up fourth or something like that. I think it would be kind of stupid, but I don't make the rules."

David Newton covers NASCAR for ESPN.com. He can be reached at dnewtonespn@aol.com.

[smwomer48]

This should be good for NASCAR, it will let the race be decided between the leaders like it is supposed to be. It is so frustrating to see a car 2 or more laps down in the late stages of a race trying to race with the leaders. Hopefully it will add some excitement and keep the field fillers like Tony Raines, David Gilliland, Robby Gordon, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. from playing a part in the race's finish.

[bjk311nh]

This should be good for NASCAR, it will let the race be decided between the leaders like it is supposed to be. It is so frustrating to see a car 2 or more laps down in the late stages of a race trying to race with the leaders. Hopefully it will add some excitement and keep the field fillers like Tony Raines, David Gilliland, Robby Gordon, and Dale Earnhardt Jr. from playing a part in the race's finish.

Who are you kidding? Raines would likely be in the shop before the last laps take place :p:D

[avsfan21]

If they do this, I think they also need to adopt a wave by policy as well. If you get caught a lap down from pitting when the yellow came out and dont have to pit while the other leaders do, you shouldnt have to start behind them. This will pretty much mean that the only way you are going to get your lap back is to get the free pass now. No more fighting to get your lap back.

[Buick GN]

Dear Brian France,

You're ruining the sport. Hope you like the rain.

- Higher Power

x 2

[smwomer48]

Congratulations to Tony Stewart for his first win as a car owner with Stewart-Haas Racing. Also good to see Gene Haas get his first ever points win as a car owner as well.

The fuel gamble didn't quite pay off for Jimmie Johnson, but a 7th place finish is consistent and a solid top 10 finish.

As for Dale Earnhardt Jr., I'm waiting to hear the excuse. Will the Junior Nation point the finger at Lance McGrew? Because it wasn't McGrew who overshot his pit and almost hit the wall. After celebrating a 12th place finish like a win last week it will be pointing fingers again more than likely.

[bjk311nh]

That race had a good ending, at least. Congrats to Stewart and to others like Ambrose and Reutiman for getting top 10 finishes.

In my fantasy league, I benched Newman and Stewart for Kurt Busch and Hamlin....:(

[smwomer48]

Ive learned to ignore them.:D Moron Nation believes JUNNNYERRR can do no wrong. Hes immaculate.... hence, why they are morons.

Tell me about it. I have one moron I work with who jumped on the Junior bandwagon last year and started to run his mouth when Johnson started slow. We all know what happened and who won the title. I'm not one to rub salt in somebody's wound, but with this kid I take delight in it.

And he's just one of the many morons. And you are right, they feel Little E can do no wrong. I've had them even tell me that Junior is a more talented driver than Gordon, Stewart, and Johnson COMBINED. Yes, that's what I was told. I'm just wondering since when did 18 Cup wins and zero Cup championships surpass 158 wins and 9 Cup Championships among the three? Very laughable to hear the Junior Nation talk.

Oh well, on to Michigan next week!

[smwomer48]

JR Nation is a bunch of sheep. They couldnt pick a real driver... so they are holding on to his fathers legacy, or just picking the guy everyone else goes with. I love being a Kyle Busch fan... they may boo me..... but at least I know Im not a sheep like them.:D

I'm not a fan of Kyle, but the kid can drive and he speaks his mind. I've been a Jimmie fan since his rookie year and been following him ever since. I had to deal with 3 years of coming so close to the Cup title before finally breaking ground in 2006. But you're right, time to let the Earnhardt legacy go and move on. We've all seen that Dale Jr. is not the calibre driver that his father was and is showing that he is our generation's version of Kyle Petty and Larry Pearson.

[smwomer48]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q195/smwomer48/DaleSr_2.jpg

[bjk311nh]

Nice pic.

I don't know about everyone else, but I really missed Fox's coverage on Sunday. There's just something about it I liked. It seemed to have more "personality", especially DW.

[sub4]

Nice pic.

I don't know about everyone else, but I really missed Fox's coverage on Sunday. There's just something about it I liked. It seemed to have more "personality", especially DW.

I agree, and have felt this way since Fox started with NASCAR in '01. I hate when they do the mid-season switch to another channel.

[avsfan21]

I can say I miss Fox. Thank God no more Digger crap. I wish one of the cars would just run over the whole family.

[smwomer48]

I can say I miss Fox. Thank God no more Digger crap. I wish one of the cars would just run over the whole family.

Can't say I disagree. The Digger thing got old last year and they kept running with it. A little color commentary is good, don't get me wrong. But they go overboard quite often.

[Buick GN]

Just keep Rusty away from the booth.

Can't stand the guy when he's behind the microphone.

[BurningSoul]

Holy ****! Illegal drug in Mayfields system was crystal meth. I know NASCAR fans get categorized as redneck trailer trash from the south but damn......we don't need anymore fuel for the fire.

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/nascar/story/5322252/

[bigdaddymcqueen]

anyone know of a forum/site where someone can trade there NASCAR diecast cars???

[Buick GN]

Maybe the certain drivers message boards? - Just a thought.

What scale?

What die-cast company?

There use to be a Winners Circle collectors board. I saw a lot of trading there. The site just disappeared about a year ago. If the cars are Action, I'm sure there's a forum on the webz pertaining to those as well.

[bjk311nh]

www.diecastnuts.com
www.thesundayhauler.com

I'll have to check those out....I am trying hard not to get too into it since there are SO many. My favorites are my Owner's Elite Burton Prilosec OTC and the 1:64 Winners Circle Gamestop Logano win out of 3,400 or so. It seems you can get a lot of older 1:24 for $10-20 plus shipping on eBay, as long as it isn't anything too rare or popular. The stores by me want $60+ for old Harvicks that I see going on the 'bay for a lot less.

WC are nice but obviously you can get a better quality one for the same price, just an older paint scheme.

[bigdaddymcqueen]

Maybe the certain drivers message boards? - Just a thought.

What scale?
mostly 64th scale

What die-cast company?
any and all that made Nascar

There use to be a Winners Circle collectors board. I saw a lot of trading there. The site just disappeared about a year ago. If the cars are Action, I'm sure there's a forum on the webz pertaining to those as well.
thanks!:p

www.diecastnuts.com
www.thesundayhauler.com
And Thank You Too!!!:D:D

[bjk311nh]

My other Nascar question.....how do people decide who to root for?

[smwomer48]

My other Nascar question.....how do people decide who to root for?

For some reason, I followed Davey Allison back in 1987 during his rookie year. My father was a big Ford fan and I guess I rooted for him because my dad did. I was 9 then and rooted for him until his untimely death in 1992. Then I started rooting for anybody basically in the Texaco #28 car. Irvan until his injury, then Dale Jarrett. When Dale moved over to the Quality Care I became a fan until he retired.

What led me to follow Jimmie Johnson was when I was watching the 2001 Watkins Glen race where he crashed head first into the foam wall then got out and started pumping his fists. I thought, this guy has b@lls and was glad he was okay. Became a fan of JJ from that day forward. When I learned that Gordon/Hendrick signed him to Winston Cup in 2002 it made my day. Later that year I got to meet him at Ft. Meade when I was stationed there back in my Air Force days. JJ was doing a USO tour stop there at the PX and he was there talking with the troops and so forth. Very nice guy and down to earth. He made alot of troops happy that day and just defines the type of guy he is.

[nhlrules]

Anyone Know where I can buy Nascar merchindize in canada. I'm a Kyle Bush fan. I looked around and they want a lot for shipping as much as the t-shirt on most places and they are all usa sites. Thanks

[avsfan21]

So I went around to some shops today. I still want to go to RCR one day, but it is like an hour+ drive away and you have to pay to get into the museum part. I did go to Stewart-Haas for the first time. They have a nice shop. If you want you can check out the pictures.

http://community.webshots.com/album/573097450BEiIRs

[avsfan21]

It is pretty cool, you walk in and on the left they have this area with a while bunch of machines making parts and stuff.

[smwomer48]

Congratulations to Kasey Kahne and Richard Petty for his first win as an owner in 10 years. Not a fan of road courses, but very exciting near the end. Was great to see Johnson get a top 5 finish after restarting 40th due to the speeding penalty on pit road.

Also showed Dale Jr. can't drive on a road course either. Is it really still the crew chiefs fault? It wasn't McGrew who finished 26th.

[bjk311nh]

Not sure that one was Dale's fault, but I don't completely remember what happened.

Man, Harvick really can't catch a break this year at all.

[smwomer48]

Not sure that one was Dale's fault, but I don't completely remember what happened.

Man, Harvick really can't catch a break this year at all.

Yeah, Junior did get knocked into but the "Nation" will probably blame McGrew. I was surprised about Harvick because he was running down Johnson for position then saw he had slipped back due to a cut tire I believe. Not a fan of road courses, but exciting last few laps.

[Buick GN]

I sure hope KH pursues the SHR seat and RC lets him out of his contract.

Bowyer as a teammate, is like having R. Gordon back in the RCR stable. :mad:

[smwomer48]

I sure hope KH pursues the SHR seat and RC lets him out of his contract.

Bowyer as a teammate, is like having R. Gordon back in the RCR stable. :mad:

Or Jeff Green.

[Chachi]

Dont usually watch nascar but did watch the end of the Nationwide race Saturday night to see Carl edwards do his backflip. Watched the post race, my goodness is Kyle Busch a little whiny ***** or what? Cant stand that little *****!

[R. Giles]

The funny thing is Kyle acts like that even when he wins.

[Buick GN]

Rowdy wins again bump.

Incorrect.

That would be Pouty. :D

[bjk311nh]

I was going to go to the Nationwide Saturday. Would have been nice to see Harvick. I hope to go for the chase race in NH later on, but I wanted to scope things out first since I hadn't been. I heard the traffic can be atrocious.

[Buick GN]

Its funny you mentioned Carl Edwards, and little ***** in the same sentence. Edwards is the biggest phony ***** in all of NASCAR. I cant take his gee golly act anymore. Hes a ******bag, and any smart NASCAR fan can see right through him.

..and yet in a dark alley away from cameras, after you said that face to face..he'd rip off your face in seconds.

His Cousin Carl shtick is tiresome, I'll give you that.

[Buick GN]

I was going to go to the Nationwide Saturday. Would have been nice to see Harvick. I hope to go for the chase race in NH later on, but I wanted to scope things out first since I hadn't been. I heard the traffic can be atrocious.

Kevin signed one of my 1/24th diecasts and a trading card @ Infineon last Sun.

He made my weekend.

:)

[bjk311nh]

Congrats to Logano. Seemed to be a quick call, but I didn't check the radar.

Harvick killed me this week. Cut down McMurray and then gets caught up in that wreck. Not sure if there will be anyone blaming Jr. there or not. Hard to blame a guy for spinning his wheels on a restart. Seems to happen often enough.

[smwomer48]

Logano!!! Congrats to him. Cant wait for all the geniuses to point out how this was a fake win. A W is a W, and its a good start for Logano, to what should be a great career. Congrats to him, and Zippy!

You are right, a win is a win. Sometimes having the best car doesn't mean you will always win. Playing the weather and pit strategy can win races too. I bet some of those geniuses are Logano fans who probably cried and complained when Reutimann won the Coca Cola 600 in May but they're quiet now. Congratulations to Joey on that 1st win an being the youngest driver to do so.

[bjk311nh]

You are right, a win is a win. Sometimes having the best car doesn't mean you will always win. Playing the weather and pit strategy can win races too. I bet some of those geniuses are Logano fans who probably cried and complained when Reutimann won the Coca Cola 600 in May but they're quiet now. Congratulations to Joey on that 1st win an being the youngest driver to do so.

Probably......he had a good finish this week as well. He is really close now. Not sure he has what it takes to make the chase, though.

[Leafsfan1967]

Dale Jr should step out of the car, and take the job of gluing the lugnuts to the rims. Maybe he could get that right? :rolleyes:

[bjk311nh]

Dale Jr should step out of the car, and take the job of gluing the lugnuts to the rims. Maybe he could get that right? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't be that hard on him. I am not sure why people dislike him that much.

I think it was a mix of every drivers fans that complained. Everyone finds a reason to complain... thats what NASCAR fans do.:D:D:D:D:D:D

Was that a quick call on ending the race? It seemed a LOT less than when they called it for Reutiman.

[Leafsfan1967]

I wouldn't be that hard on him. I am not sure why people dislike him that much.



I didn't dislike him until he started wrecking my fantasy drivers every week! :mad:

[ToightLikeATiger]

Good to see Joey Lagano get a win. He wont be as good as Tony Stewart but he has a very bright future.

Kyle Busch causing a big accident wasnt a suprise either. He is a whiny little punk who needs his face caved in by another driver. Martin Truex Jr almost threw his helmet at the #18 after the wreck. Wish he would have done it and cracked that punks windshield.

[bjk311nh]

I didn't dislike him until he started wrecking my fantasy drivers every week! :mad:

Ah, I thought you were being sarcastic and that you were an avid Jr. supporter. I had McMurray, who was cut down by Harvick early. Then, Harvick gets caught up in the big wreck. Funny thing is those are my two favorites.

Good to see Joey Lagano get a win. He wont be as good as Tony Stewart but he has a very bright future.

Kyle Busch causing a big accident wasnt a suprise either. He is a whiny little punk who needs his face caved in by another driver. Martin Truex Jr almost threw his helmet at the #18 after the wreck. Wish he would have done it and cracked that punks windshield.

It was actually started by Dale Jr. Truex probably just figured it was Busch. Watch the highlights again. This is what we are talking about above.

[ToightLikeATiger]

meh Busch is still a piece of crap. He deserves a helmet through the windshield lol.

[bjk311nh]

Great finish. Poor Busch, but no other options left for Tony there.

Harvick was having a decent run today. Definitely stunk to see him caught up in that wreck. Hard to tell, but Jamie Mac may have caused that big one. Karma for when Harvick knocked out Jamie last week in NH. Felt bad for Dave Reutiman. He was doing great and, at the time, saw Montoya and Martin far out of it. Montoya really recovered. Good for him.

[Buick GN]

Dear Shrub,

Perhaps next time you'll think twice before blocking Smoke on a plate track.

- Buick

[Leafsfan1967]

Great finish. Poor Busch, but no other options left for Tony there.

Harvick was having a decent run today. Definitely stunk to see him caught up in that wreck. Hard to tell, but Jamie Mac may have caused that big one. Karma for when Harvick knocked out Jamie last week in NH. Felt bad for Dave Reutiman. He was doing great and, at the time, saw Montoya and Martin far out of it. Montoya really recovered. Good for him.


You think that was a great finish? :eek: In all honesty, I'm getting tired of seeing guys being wrecked to win a race. Tony could of just as easily tucked in behind, and took 2nd, and saved millions of dollars worth of cars. Yes Busch tried to block, but Stewart got into him on purpose to try to get by, and that won't work in the tri-oval. Kyle raced him clean, especially on the pass for the lead, and he got wrecked for his efforts. I'm not blaming Stewart totally, as it was one of those things that has been going on forever, but in all seriousness, when is it gonna stop? Does someone have to die before they disallow these on purpose wrecks for the win. If I were Stewart, I'd be embarrassed to take home the trophy today, and I'm a huge Smoke fan. :( I'm not sure if he dove up on him, or if he overcorrected when he was moved to the bottom, so I won't lay blame on anyone. Too hard to tell. I don't even know for sure if Stewart would of won had Busch stayed low. It would have been close at the line. Yes, I'm a little bitter as I had ear boy today in fantasy racing!

[Chachi]

Kyle Busch is a whiny little *****. He got what he has deserved for a long time.

[avsfan21]

You think that was a great finish? :eek: In all honesty, I'm getting tired of seeing guys being wrecked to win a race. Tony could of just as easily tucked in behind, and took 2nd, and saved millions of dollars worth of cars. Yes Busch tried to block, but Stewart got into him on purpose to try to get by, and that won't work in the tri-oval. Kyle raced him clean, especially on the pass for the lead, and he got wrecked for his efforts. I'm not blaming Stewart totally, as it was one of those things that has been going on forever, but in all seriousness, when is it gonna stop? Does someone have to die before they disallow these on purpose wrecks for the win. If I were Stewart, I'd be embarrassed to take home the trophy today, and I'm a huge Smoke fan. :( I'm not sure if he dove up on him, or if he overcorrected when he was moved to the bottom, so I won't lay blame on anyone. Too hard to tell. I don't even know for sure if Stewart would of won had Busch stayed low. It would have been close at the line. Yes, I'm a little bitter as I had ear boy today in fantasy racing!

I am sorry Troy but I cant agree with that at all. If I was in the same situation as tony, I would probably have done the same thing. I am not going to just sit behind someone when I have a chance at a win. I dont think I would wreck someone on purpose, but I am not going to back out of you run into me going to the checkered flag either. With that logic of why not just stay behind and finish 2nd, why race at all. Just have the pole sitter win the race.

[Leafsfan1967]

I am sorry Troy but I cant agree with that at all. If I was in the same situation as tony, I would probably have done the same thing. I am not going to just sit behind someone when I have a chance at a win. I dont think I would wreck someone on purpose, but I am not going to back out of you run into me going to the checkered flag either. With that logic of why not just stay behind and finish 2nd, why race at all. Just have the pole sitter win the race.


Yah, he looked real proud of what he did too! :rolleyes: So it would of been okay for Busch to wreck Tony the previous lap to get in the lead then? Why not just make nascar a demolition derby, cause we all know that is what these races are now. Tony knows exactly what he did was gonna cause a wreck, yet he did it anyway. He was beat, and that was the only way he could win. You can't hit someone in the tri-oval, and not wreck them. I'm not taking sides here, as I'm not at all a Kyle Busch fan, but I can guarantee you if it was the other way around, there would of been a bloody war. My point is someone is gonna die unless they stop allowing this crap. Wrecking someone to win is just not right. I'd make him pay for all the cars he ruined to get his trophy today if I were Nascar. ;)

[Buick GN]

"My point is someone is gonna die unless they stop allowing this crap."

It's called plate racing, you should be use to it by now. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

You know what they say about opinions..

How many times has Kyle taken out a full time Truck or Nationwide driver for the win?

[avsfan21]

Yah, he looked real proud of what he did too! :rolleyes: So it would of been okay for Busch to wreck Tony the previous lap to get in the lead then? Why not just make nascar a demolition derby, cause we all know that is what these races are now. Tony knows exactly what he did was gonna cause a wreck, yet he did it anyway. He was beat, and that was the only way he could win. You can't hit someone in the tri-oval, and not wreck them. I'm not taking sides here, as I'm not at all a Kyle Busch fan, but I can guarantee you if it was the other way around, there would of been a bloody war. My point is someone is gonna die unless they stop allowing this crap. Wrecking someone to win is just not right. I'd make him pay for all the cars he ruined to get his trophy today if I were Nascar. ;)

If Tony threw a block like Kyle did, then yes if he got spun he would have deserved it. Blocking is the way the drivers are is what is causing these wrecks. I dont blame them for doing it either, it is their only chance of winning as well. It is just how it is. It will always be like it as long as they still use plates.

[smwomer48]

Another poor finish for Dale Earnhardt Jr. Yes, he did get caught in that wreck and again "it wasn't his fault". But before the wreck he was running in the 20's and complaining about his car. So I believe with a new crew chief there are still ZERO top 10 finishes. Problem with the #88 = Dale Earnhardt, Jr.

[Leafsfan1967]

"My point is someone is gonna die unless they stop allowing this crap."

It's called plate racing, you should be use to it by now. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

You know what they say about opinions..

How many times has Kyle taken out a full time Truck or Nationwide driver for the win?


I don't care how many times Kyle has done it, I'm not sticking up for him here. How many times has Mark Martin done it to someone? It's called class, and respect, which very few of these idiots have for each other, or themselves. Why waste so much time, and effort preparing a car when it's just gonna get trashed anyways? I don't want to get use to it. It makes me not want to watch these anymore. They are suppose to be racing, not playing smash-em up derby.

[Leafsfan1967]

Another poor finish for Dale Earnhardt Jr. Yes, he did get caught in that wreck and again "it wasn't his fault". But before the wreck he was running in the 20's and complaining about his car. So I believe with a new crew chief there are still ZERO top 10 finishes. Problem with the #88 = Dale Earnhardt, Jr.


Yes! :D

[Leafsfan1967]

If Tony threw a block like Kyle did, then yes if he got spun he would have deserved it. Blocking is the way the drivers are is what is causing these wrecks. I dont blame them for doing it either, it is their only chance of winning as well. It is just how it is. It will always be like it as long as they still use plates.

I guess it will be okay till someone else dies. Then maybe they'll make the changes needed at these plate tracks. Most of these idiots think they are invincible. :rolleyes:

[avsfan21]

I guess it will be okay till someone else dies. Then maybe they'll make the changes needed at these plate tracks. Most of these idiots think they are invincible. :rolleyes:

Well that is kind of nascar's way. They are pretty much always reactive and not proactive.

[Leafsfan1967]

Well that is kind of nascar's way. They are pretty much always reactive and not proactive.

So true! On another note: I wonder how long Dale Junior is gonna ride the coat tails of his daddy's name before his arse gets fired from Hendrick Motorsports? Man, I can't figure out how this guy has went from so much promise to total complete junk? He has shown no talent this year, and you can only give someone the benefit of the doubt for so long!

[bjk311nh]

You think that was a great finish? :eek: In all honesty, I'm getting tired of seeing guys being wrecked to win a race. Tony could of just as easily tucked in behind, and took 2nd, and saved millions of dollars worth of cars. Yes Busch tried to block, but Stewart got into him on purpose to try to get by, and that won't work in the tri-oval. Kyle raced him clean, especially on the pass for the lead, and he got wrecked for his efforts. I'm not blaming Stewart totally, as it was one of those things that has been going on forever, but in all seriousness, when is it gonna stop? Does someone have to die before they disallow these on purpose wrecks for the win. If I were Stewart, I'd be embarrassed to take home the trophy today, and I'm a huge Smoke fan. :( I'm not sure if he dove up on him, or if he overcorrected when he was moved to the bottom, so I won't lay blame on anyone. Too hard to tell. I don't even know for sure if Stewart would of won had Busch stayed low. It would have been close at the line. Yes, I'm a little bitter as I had ear boy today in fantasy racing!

Yes, I did. Same with Talladega this year.

[BurningSoul]

Awesome finish! Can't wait to see what the mouth of NASCAR has to say about what Tony did.

[bigdaddymcqueen]

its was a good finish, and as for Klye, its an unwritten rule, block me once, thats fine, block me twice your going into the fence!! Kyle knew he screwed up, thats why he just kept his mouth shut after the race! Tony did nothing wrong, Kyle did!! he DID get what he deserved! its just sad the Kasey Kahne and Joey Logano smaked into him to, so he caused them not to finish. Choices he made affected more than it should have!

[BIGG-AL]

You think that was a great finish? :eek: In all honesty, I'm getting tired of seeing guys being wrecked to win a race. Tony could of just as easily tucked in behind, and took 2nd, and saved millions of dollars worth of cars. Yes Busch tried to block, but Stewart got into him on purpose to try to get by, and that won't work in the tri-oval. Kyle raced him clean, especially on the pass for the lead, and he got wrecked for his efforts. I'm not blaming Stewart totally, as it was one of those things that has been going on forever, but in all seriousness, when is it gonna stop? Does someone have to die before they disallow these on purpose wrecks for the win. If I were Stewart, I'd be embarrassed to take home the trophy today, and I'm a huge Smoke fan. :( I'm not sure if he dove up on him, or if he overcorrected when he was moved to the bottom, so I won't lay blame on anyone. Too hard to tell. I don't even know for sure if Stewart would of won had Busch stayed low. It would have been close at the line. Yes, I'm a little bitter as I had ear boy today in fantasy racing!

Couldn't disagree more, Stewart tried twice to get around and was blocked, the second time the block came late, and stewart had the line. Busch should have stayed low once Stewarts bumber was in front.
In my opinion, he wrecked himself.

[Ronzie]

Is Suckass Kyle crying over this?
Tony did nothing wrong

[smwomer48]

Is Suckass Kyle crying over this?
Tony did nothing wrong

I agree, it's what happens with plate racing. I am glad Kyle was not hurt, don't want to see anybody seriously injured or killed regardless of whether I like or dislike the driver. Kyle went for the block, and distance was misjudged by either Smoke or Kyle and he ended up in the wall. It's happened to the best of them. Personally, I would like to see the restrictor plates taken off that way we would find out who the best cars really are. It would separate the logjams and put some distance away from the slower cars. Just my opinion, of course I'll probably never see it in my lifetime.

[BurningSoul]

JOLIET, Ill. -- All is not forgiven in the eyes of Kyle Busch.

Busch said he felt he was "dumped" by Tony Stewart Saturday night at Daytona when their two cars collided as the drivers headed to the finish line of the Coke Zero 400.

Busch was leading when he twice tried to block Stewart by moving up the track. The second time, Busch clipped the front of Stewart's car, causing Busch to crash into the outside wall. Stewart passed him and won the race, while Busch's car was struck twice more by oncoming traffic.

Busch stormed off and did not comment after the race, so Thursday at Chicagoland Speedway was his first chance to field questions about the incident.

Busch didn't directly criticize Stewart at first, but found a way to make his point when asked what NASCAR should do about last-lap crashes at Daytona and Talladega.

"NASCAR can take steps to look at it," Busch said. "If the second-place driver dumps the leader, then black flag his ass. He doesn't get the win. If he's up alongside the leader and dumps him, give the third-place car the victory."

Busch then was asked if he considered the bump with Stewart "a dump."

"Yes, it would be considered a dump," he said.

Stewart was apologetic after the race, saying he hates to win that way. Stewart said he called Busch earlier this week and said he and Busch were "on the same page."

Stewart was aware of what Busch said Thursday, but Stewart didn't want to discuss it further.

"We sat in the media center [at Daytona] last week and talked about it for 40 minutes," Stewart said. "It's the same deal as it was last week.

"Kyle and I talked this week and had a very good conversation on the phone," Stewart said. "I was very pleased."

Apparently, Busch was not pleased, considering his comments when asked how he felt after Stewart's call.

"I really don't have feelings," Busch said. "So it really didn't mean a whole lot. I guess he was checking on me to see if I'm alive."

Would Busch do things differently if he could replay the last lap?

"I'd do it the same way I did," he said. "But I don't have it back so it doesn't matter. It's over with and done with. I did everything I could to try to win the race. I didn't."

So what did he learn from the incident?

"If I'm ever second, I normally finish second," Busch said. "Whenever I'm leading, I guess I get wrecked. It seems to me I don't know how to win restrictor-plate races, so you can't ask me that question."

Terry Blount covers motorsports for ESPN.com.

[fastlane22]

Kyle didnt surprise me by not owning up to his mistake last week. He tried to throw a block on a guy he wasnt clear off and wrecked himself

[sub4]

He tried to throw a block on a guy he wasnt clear off and wrecked himself

That's all you need to know about the finish last Saturday. What is a guy running second supposed to do in that case? Let off the gas? Hit the brakes? Yeah, ok...

[BurningSoul]

Its never Kyles fault. Its always the other driver. :D

[Leafsfan1967]

Another race, another wreck caused by Dale Junior! :confused: Looks like Jeff Burton is a little PO'd!

[J3-M8]

Question, what is the big deal about Dale Jr? I know he's the son of a legend, but what else has he done?

[avsfan21]

Nothing, but his last name is Earnhardt and for some reason girls find him cute. No clue on that one.

[Buick GN]

Question, what is the big deal about Dale Jr? I know he's the son of a legend, but what else has he done?It's a southern thang..

Dominated plate racing briefly w/ his annoying sponsor pushing teammate.

[smwomer48]

Question, what is the big deal about Dale Jr? I know he's the son of a legend, but what else has he done?

That's the whole point and you're hitting the nail on the head. The Junior Nation thinks that just because his name is Earnhardt he's going to win 7 championships. The last time I counted his championships have totaled ZERO. Being the son of a famous NASCAR champion doesn't automatically guarantee success. Buddy Baker, Larry Pearson, and Kyle Petty are key examples of this.

I've posted this before, but I think people needed to be reminded of how Junior is basically an average driver.


http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q195/smwomer48/DaleSr_2.jpg

[Buick GN]

STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tim_tuttle/07/14/Harvick_RCR/

[Buick GN]

I sure hope KH pursues the SHR seat and RC lets him out of his contract.

Woooooooooooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

[bjk311nh]

STOKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/tim_tuttle/07/14/Harvick_RCR/

Wow.....that would be interesting. Where would he go if that doesn't go through? (meaning he leaves RCR but doesn't get into SHR)

[Buick GN]

Wow.....that would be interesting. Where would he go if that doesn't go through? (meaning he leaves RCR but doesn't get into SHR)

KH will go to SHR. (IF RC lets him out early.)

No worries.

[DMM77]

It looks like Jeremy Mayfield has tested positive for Meth again.

[Buick GN]

It looks like Jeremy Mayfield has tested positive for Meth again.

Mayfield tests positive again for meth.

"I saw Jeremy use methamphetamine by snorting it up his nose at least 30 times during the 7 years I was around him. Jeremy used methamphetamine not only in my presence, but also when we were both in the presence of others."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/story/9787800/NASCAR:-Mayfield-tests-positive-again-for-meth

[bjk311nh]

KH will go to SHR. (IF RC lets him out early.)

No worries.

Looks like a no-go. Saw an article on Yahoo proclaiming that KH and Shell will be back for 2010.

[Buick GN]

Looks like a no-go. Saw an article on Yahoo proclaiming that KH and Shell will be back for 2010.Time will tell - It's not over yet.

KH will drive for SHR, it's just a matter of time.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b287/BuickGN/Smoke%20Roseville%202007/2006_0419Image0016.jpg

[BurningSoul]

Mayfield needs help. That ****** is acting just like an addict through his interviews.

[Steve G.]

Will Mayfield drive in a Nascar event again? probally, but I would ban him from racing ever again.

[sub4]

Will Mayfield drive in a Nascar event again? probally, but I would ban him from racing ever again.

Nope, he's done. He won't race ever again in any of the NASCAR series.

[Steve G.]

He should be done all of the drivers and the sport are all against him right now.

[avsfan21]

It just doesnt really make sense for him to make a big scene about Nascar buying off his stepmom. I mean seriously what does nascar really have to lose in this whole thing? If they are wrong they just say opps our bad and let him back. He is only really making it worse for himself.

[Buick GN]

User?

http://www.archive.org/details/MayfieldInterview71709

[avsfan21]

He kept losing me with all that Irag/Dictator/US junk. I was just waiting for him to say Durka Durka Durka, America f*** yeah.

[bjk311nh]

Harvick's crew chief really botched that one last night......

[Buick GN]

Yes. I was really pissed. I know he probably wouldnt have won, but maybe if everyone pitted under a potential caution, he would have had a shot... oh well. At least Pouty won! (waits for the sarcastic response!). :p

fixed

[avsfan21]

I dont know it was quite comical watching Rusty have to commentate the destruction of both of his cars on Saturday. Of course it isnt an official Busch race until Steven Wallace has crashed.

[bjk311nh]

I dont know it was quite comical watching Rusty have to commentate the destruction of both of his cars on Saturday. Of course it isnt an official Busch race until Steven Wallace has crashed.

LOL

[Buick GN]

It gets so uncomfortable when one of his cars wreck.
"Aero push"

LOL

[avsfan21]

If you think Rusty is bad doing Nascar coverage, imagine him doing Indy Car coverage which he did before Espn had a contract with Nascar but wanted him for when they did. Wow talk about horrible.

[avsfan21]

So "As the world Turns" has continued. It appears that the appeals court has sided with Nascar and Mayfield is back under suspension.

[Buick GN]

Did anyone catch the end of the CWT race?

The flagger threw the white flag twice. :eek:

[Buick GN]

That was funny as all hell. SPEED even had the results on the screen as they took the real white flag. I love ORP though... that was some real short track racing. 4 trucks under a blanket in two lanes running for the win. Congrats to Hornaday! KHI is on a roll. Shame Ricky cut that tire, he had another solid run going.Did Skinner lift on the first white or should I slow down tonight?

[Buick GN]

K

Time to continue on.

[smwomer48]

Congratulations to Jimmie Johnson on his 3rd win this year and 43rd in his career. It was good to see him and Mark Martin duel the last few laps after Juan Montoya was stinking up the field early. This is the time where JJ starts to peak to make a run at the chase. A fourth straight championship could very well happen.

Poor finishes by Hamlin, Ku. Busch, Ky. Busch, and of course Earnhardt Jr. Boring race up until the end, and was glad JJ came out on top. On to Pocono!

[R. Giles]

Boring race crappy winner and next week will be worse.

[Buick GN]

Boring race crappy winner and next week will be worse.It's an every Cup race story, thanks to the COT. (minus roadcourses)

Someday I'll turn my back on NASCAR, I just can't seem to make the final plunge.

[avsfan21]

It's an every Cup race story, thanks to the COT. (minus roadcourses)

Someday I'll turn my back on NASCAR, I just can't seem to make to final plunge.

I am pretty much there already. I believe day I watched no more than 50 laps and most of those game in the first hour before the F1 race started. If there is another race on odds are I will be watching that instead of Nascar now a days.

[Buick GN]

Indy is always boring. It was boring with the old car too. Its just an awful track.

Not in '03. ;)

[Buick GN]

Nice points day for pouty.

:D

[Leafsfan1967]

I agree with you guys! Nascar has lost something, and I just can't put my finger on it. I find it more boring each time I watch, and I'm as big a fan that ever was. I wish I could go to Daytona, and Michigan every year like I use to in the late 80's/early 90's, but I'm not single anymore so that isn't possible now. I'm real happy to see Mark Martin running well every week, and if I could have one Nascar wish, it would be for the old man to get a championship before he shuts it down for good. That would make me happy.

[avsfan21]

I agree with you guys! Nascar has lost something, and I just can't put my finger on it. I find it more boring each time I watch, and I'm as big a fan that ever was. I wish I could go to Daytona, and Michigan every year like I use to in the late 80's/early 90's, but I'm not single anymore so that isn't possible now. I'm real happy to see Mark Martin running well every week, and if I could have one Nascar wish, it would be for the old man to get a championship before he shuts it down for good. That would make me happy.

I have to say it would be pretty Ironic that all it took was for him to join Hendrick to win a championship after all those years getting beat by Gordon with Roush.

[smwomer48]

I agree with you guys! Nascar has lost something, and I just can't put my finger on it. I find it more boring each time I watch, and I'm as big a fan that ever was. I wish I could go to Daytona, and Michigan every year like I use to in the late 80's/early 90's, but I'm not single anymore so that isn't possible now. I'm real happy to see Mark Martin running well every week, and if I could have one Nascar wish, it would be for the old man to get a championship before he shuts it down for good. That would make me happy.

If JJ doesn't win his fourth title, I would be more than happy to see Mark Martin win his first. The guy finished second four times, the most heartbreaking in 1990 when a penalty docked him 46 points and he eventually finished 26 points behind Dale Sr. The guy has alot of respect and I don't think many drivers would be too upset to see Mark win it all. Still a long season to go.

[Leafsfan1967]

I have to say it would be pretty Ironic that all it took was for him to join Hendrick to win a championship after all those years getting beat by Gordon with Roush.

It would, but I don't care about that so much. Martin is a class act. Nobody works harder on, and off the track, he races everyone clean, and hardly ever *****es when he's done wrong by another driver. One of the nicest guys ever to strap on a pair of Simpson's, and nothing would be finer to see him take a championship home before he retires. Here is a picture of Mark around 1984-85 at Cayuga, Ontario when I started to follow him a bit. He ran ASA then, and it was just before he got his first Winston Cup ride. One of my favorite MM paint schemes ever. Also at this event were Bill Elliott, Kenny Wallace, and D.ick Trickle. :D


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff289/Leafsfan1967/ScannedImage.jpg

[Buick GN]

Does that look like a 'stang that came off of the showroom? Yes, I understand they're not exactly stockcars any longer.

Win on Sun - Sell on Mon?

Impala? How about a Camaro? GM's money problems, perhaps?

Baby steps..I'm actually looking forward to this..looking forward on how they massage the bodies.

We'll see how France can fudge this attempt up.

[R. Giles]

I don't care if it might look like a mustang the car of tomorrow will ruin Busch just like it did cup.

[avsfan21]

That mustang is atrocious. I feel sorry for any Ford drivers that have to race in that.

[avsfan21]

How could anyone think that something like this even closely resembles a mustang, or looks good in any way.

http://www.fordracing.com/includes/DBPhoto.asp?photo=13928

[Buick GN]

Up and coming drivers pilot Lates and Superlates.

ABC - Arca, Busch(Nationwide), Cup.

Campingworld East and West.

The young talent is now thrown into these so called 'stangs, Challengers and such, after driving Lates and Supers. They now have to adjust to these new body styles.

Will they handle/drive/draft like COTs, or is this a entire new animal?

After the young drivers get used to piloting these new 'stangs. They move up to the COTs. (hopefully)

Is there going to be a long adjustment time/learning curve from Supers, new 'stangs, and then the COTs?

Will sponsors want to hand out cash as a young driver is adjusting to the new cars, or will the sponsors grow tired of young/new drivers wrecking and not putting their product in victory circle or atleast getting decent tv time?

Will sponsors frown upon young drivers in Nationwide and ask for vetrans to pilot their 'product'? How many young drivers will get 'benched'?

Shouldn't the Nationwide series be a schooling process for the Cup series?

How much will it cost teams like KHI, Braun, and RWI to rework their shops for the new cars and purchase new cars/parts?

What will the economy be like in 2010? How many new Nationwide teams/shops will start in 2010?

How many Nationwide shops will fold in 2010?

[avsfan21]

Honestly can you really say that the Nationwide series right now is really a training ground for Cup? Honestly who is really in the series at the moment that screams that they might even have what it takes to drive in Cup. To tell you the truth I can only think of 1 and I think the jury is still out on him as well, even if he has won a cup race. Nationwide right now is pretty much made up of Cup drivers and drivers that just arent good enough to be in Cup.

[Buick GN]

Honestly can you really say that the Nationwide series right now is really a training ground for Cup? Honestly who is really in the series at the moment that screams that they might even have what it takes to drive in Cup. To tell you the truth I can only think of 1 and I think the jury is still out on him as well, even if he has won a cup race. Nationwide right now is pretty much made up of Cup drivers and drivers that just arent good enough to be in Cup.The Nationwide should be a stepping stone for Cup.

Harvick, Smoke, Jr, Edwards, Biff and so on bring sponsors and fans to Nationwide.

France knows this. France and the beach boys are all about $$, but you already know this.

[avsfan21]

The Nationwide should be a stepping stone for Cup.

Harvick, Smoke, Jr, Edwards, Biff and so on bring sponsors and fans to Nationwide.

France knows this. France and the beach boys are all about $$, but you already know this.

You are right, it should be. But it isnt anymore and probably wont be any time soon. It is pretty much nothing but Edwards or Busch winning every week. The Cup drivers are now getting all the best equipment and leaving the guys that could perhaps get a cup drive look bad in crappy cars.

[R. Giles]

Busch will never be the same now with Cup guys losing rides and going to go back to Busch. Then with sponsors leaving rides and becoming just associate sponsors, Cup will soon become the Hendrick series.

[avsfan21]

I dont care what anyone says, the new COT Mustang looks ****ing awesome.

Wouldnt that mean that every COT car looks ****ing awesome since they are all the same?

[Buick GN]

You are right, it should be. But it isnt anymore and probably wont be any time soon. It is pretty much nothing but Edwards or Busch winning every week. The Cup drivers are now getting all the best equipment and leaving the guys that could perhaps get a cup drive look bad in crappy cars.We're stating the same thoughts over and over.

yawn

;)

[Buick GN]

Lowes decides that they won't renew their contract(naming rights) w/ Lowes Motor Speedway (Charlotte)

[Buick GN]

You Can't Spell CHAMP without AMP!!!

http://www.rfmsracing.com/jr88.jpg

:D

Posse

LOL

LOL

LOL

:D

[Buick GN]

Dear Brian France,

You're ruining the sport. Hope you like the rain.

- Higher Power

x 4

[smwomer48]

LOL

LOL

LOL

:D

Maybe they were referring to Junior's two Busch championships. His "Nation" has been holding on to that glory for 10 years now?

[Leafsfan1967]

Did they get a new Miss Sprint Cup girl? You always see the same chick in victory lane, and the one today looked different. Pretty emotional victory for Hamlin with the loss of his Grandmother looming over him this week. Amazed that the 48 team could come back from 36th place, 3 laps down to salvage a 13th place finish! I wasn't paying attention, but who was the reporter who got reamed by Montoya when he suggested to him that Kahne had come over after the race with some angry words? Apparently, Kahne was actually apologizing for getting into him a a restart! LOL!! Bet the reporter is feeling a little stupid right now!

EDIT: I did some research, and there are 2 Miss Sprint Cup girls (Monica Palumbo, and Anne-Marie Rhodes) I can honestly say that is the first time I've seen Anne-Marie in Victory Lane. I've always noticed Monica in the background. Maybe she had a prior commitment today considering they had to wait an extra day to get the race in? Maybe it's like the Miss America pagent, and that is if the reigning Miss Sprint Cup can't fulfill her duties in any way, the 1st runner-up will take her place? :D

[smwomer48]

LOL

LOL

LOL

:D

I'll play devil's advocate and get my insensitive comment for the day out of the way for the Junior Nation. You can't spell DEAD without DAD either!

Nice 28th place finish for the #88. Still no top 10 finishes since McGrew took over. Problem lies with driver plain and simple.

[bjk311nh]

That was a fun race to watch towards the end. Never thought Id say that about Pocono.

It seemed like it. I missed it and figured I wasn't missing much. O well......

[bjk311nh]

I'll play devil's advocate and get my insensitive comment for the day out of the way for the Junior Nation. You can't spell DEAD without DAD either!

Nice 28th place finish for the #88. Still no top 10 finishes since McGrew took over. Problem lies with driver plain and simple.

He just got passed by Harvick in the standings, lol.

[smwomer48]

He just got passed by Harvick in the standings, lol.

I saw that. I also saw that Casey Mears and Jamie McMurray are ahead of Dale Jr. as well. And I thought Junior was going to "contend" for the championship this year after "adjusting" to his first year at Hendrick last year? That excuse is a crock because Mark Martin seems to be adjusting just fine in his first year with four wins and 10th place.

I was a little bummed about Jimmie Johnson finishing 13th, but after coming back from 3 laps down with the carburetor/spark plug problem I'll take it. The #48 team showed why they are three time Sprint Cup champions. Could have been disasterous but ended up with a respectable finish. Watkins Glen next week boys!

[Voodoo Chylde]

Damn! I thought Clint was finally gonna get a win this season.

[avsfan21]

I saw that. I also saw that Casey Mears and Jamie McMurray are ahead of Dale Jr. as well. And I thought Junior was going to "contend" for the championship this year after "adjusting" to his first year at Hendrick last year? That excuse is a crock because Mark Martin seems to be adjusting just fine in his first year with four wins and 10th place.

I was a little bummed about Jimmie Johnson finishing 13th, but after coming back from 3 laps down with the carburetor/spark plug problem I'll take it. The #48 team showed why they are three time Sprint Cup champions. Could have been disasterous but ended up with a respectable finish. Watkins Glen next week boys!

I dont know, if you think about it, it always seems that there is always one car at HMS that just doesnt seem to be on pace with the others. This year it is obviously the 88 with Jr. In the last few years it was the 5 and 25 with Mears.

[smwomer48]

I dont know, if you think about it, it always seems that there is always one car at HMS that just doesnt seem to be on pace with the others. This year it is obviously the 88 with Jr. In the last few years it was the 5 and 25 with Mears.

Well remember, the #88 used to be the original #25 but Hendrick decided to switch the number to see if the luck of the car. I'm not a one to believe in superstitions and curses, but if you think about it the #25/#88 car has kind of been snakebitten since Tim Richmond had to vacate the car due to his battle with AIDS. The last time the #25 finished in the top 10 in points was 1994 when Schrader finished 5th. Kind of like the similar bad karma Robert Yates had with the #28 after Davey Allison died.

Personally, you can't blame the car number for Junior's struggles. Or even the crew chief for that matter. Some blame has to fall on the driver, just my take.

[fastlane22]

Did they get a new Miss Sprint Cup girl? You always see the same chick in victory lane, and the one today looked different. Pretty emotional victory for Hamlin with the loss of his Grandmother looming over him this week. Amazed that the 48 team could come back from 36th place, 3 laps down to salvage a 13th place finish! I wasn't paying attention, but who was the reporter who got reamed by Montoya when he suggested to him that Kahne had come over after the race with some angry words? Apparently, Kahne was actually apologizing for getting into him a a restart! LOL!! Bet the reporter is feeling a little stupid right now!

EDIT: I did some research, and there are 2 Miss Sprint Cup girls (Monica Palumbo, and Anne-Marie Rhodes) I can honestly say that is the first time I've seen Anne-Marie in Victory Lane. I've always noticed Monica in the background. Maybe she had a prior commitment today considering they had to wait an extra day to get the race in? Maybe it's like the Miss America pagent, and that is if the reigning Miss Sprint Cup can't fulfill her duties in any way, the 1st runner-up will take her place? :D

They alternate for the most part. Monica is the hotter one

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[fastlane22]

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[Buick GN]

Did they get a new Miss Sprint Cup girl? You always see the same chick in victory lane, and the one today looked different. Pretty emotional victory for Hamlin with the loss of his Grandmother looming over him this week. Amazed that the 48 team could come back from 36th place, 3 laps down to salvage a 13th place finish! I wasn't paying attention, but who was the reporter who got reamed by Montoya when he suggested to him that Kahne had come over after the race with some angry words? Apparently, Kahne was actually apologizing for getting into him a a restart! LOL!! Bet the reporter is feeling a little stupid right now!

EDIT: I did some research, and there are 2 Miss Sprint Cup girls (Monica Palumbo, and Anne-Marie Rhodes) I can honestly say that is the first time I've seen Anne-Marie in Victory Lane. I've always noticed Monica in the background. Maybe she had a prior commitment today considering they had to wait an extra day to get the race in? Maybe it's like the Miss America pagent, and that is if the reigning Miss Sprint Cup can't fulfill her duties in any way, the 1st runner-up will take her place? :DThe one w/ the dimples is always smiling. She rocks.

Follow their tweets, stalker. :)

[Buick GN]

Soooooo looking forward to the Glen.

[avsfan21]

Maybe it will rain to see if they actually run in the rain. I didnt know this but qualifying has only taken place once in the last 5 years. I just dont get why they have the rain tires, but never run qualifying with them, I thought that was the whole point of having them there.

[Buick GN]

Smoke stalls on the 3rd 2010 car.

KH will be in a SHR seat in 2011. I'd like to see #92.

[Buick GN]

Maybe it will rain to see if they actually run in the rain. I didnt know this but qualifying has only taken place once in the last 5 years. I just dont get why they have the rain tires, but never run qualifying with them, I thought that was the whole point of having them there.Are they expecting rain?

Frick!

[avsfan21]

right now it says 60% on Saturday and 40% on Sunday. Friday looks good so they might actually have qualifying for the 2nd time in the last 6 years.

[avsfan21]

Robby Gordon is an idiot. I am not sure if he took out Joey or not, but if he did, they should park him for tomorrow. Just like they did to Harvick a few years back. He has run into Joey at least 3 times before that one of them coming down the front straight.

They just showed a replay after the break and Robby did push Joey off the track. They should park his ass, no one should be driving like that.

[smwomer48]

Robby Gordon is an idiot. I am not sure if he took out Joey or not, but if he did, they should park him for tomorrow. Just like they did to Harvick a few years back. He has run into Joey at least 3 times before that one of them coming down the front straight.

They just showed a replay after the break and Robby did push Joey off the track. They should park his ass, no one should be driving like that.

Dude, I was thinking the exact same thing! Why is Robby Gordon allowed to continue to race in NASCAR when he is nothing but a danger to other drivers. I'm not a fan of Joey Logano but to deliberately run him off the track into the tire barrier was totally uncalled for. Thankfully, Joey was not hurt. And NASCAR let Gordon get the free pass? What message does that send? I was kind of hoping Kyle Busch would have punted Gordon after the race to defend his teammate, but NASCAR needs to do right by this. Gordon is,was, and always will be a punk.

[bjk311nh]

Agreed. That was another pathetic performance by R Gordon.

[R. Giles]

I don't see why Robby Gordon is allowed on a track what has he done to deserve to race. Nice move by Ambrose to get the lead from Kyle and win the race.

[smwomer48]

Unless something has changed within the past half hour I guess NASCAR is going to let Robby Gordon's dangerous actions yesterday go unpunished for today's Sprint Cup race? What gets me is they can park Kevin Harvick for his actions back in 2002 during the truck race but there hasn't been one peep about any disciplinary actions whatsoever. Yes, they may rule something tomorrow after today's race but in my opinion that's too late. NASCAR needs to make a statement to Gordon that they won't tolerate his behavior and this adds just another incident to his list of BS he has caused over the years with other drivers. NASCAR wants to preach they are concerned about the safety of other drivers and the fans, but they're going to let a hothead who doesn't even contend for wins wreck other drivers and possibly determine the outcome of the Chase standings? Good job Brian France, way to drop the ball on this one.

[Buick GN]

Dear Brian France,

You're ruining the sport. Hope you like the rain.

- Higher Power

x 5

[R. Giles]

They are on a ****ing road course get these guys out there racing. If the drivers can't handle the rain then the announcers need to shut the **** up about these are the best drivers in the world.

[avsfan21]

I just dont understand why they refuse to run rain tires on Cup cars. If Nationwide can do, Cup can as well.

[Leafsfan1967]

Robbie Gordon is a punk. Even the sponsors know that, which is why he can't ever get one full time on his car. No company is gonna want to put their name on a consistant 38th place car each week. I wonder where he gets the cash to field his own car each week?

[bjk311nh]

Robbie Gordon is a punk. Even the sponsors know that, which is why he can't ever get one full time on his car. No company is gonna want to put their name on a consistant 38th place car each week. I wonder where he gets the cash to field his own car each week?

I was talking to some guy at a show about him. He says his parents are rich.

[avsfan21]

Well I guess this is what Nascar deserves for not using rain tires on the Cup cars. Trying to kill the series one race at a time with lower ratings.

[Buick GN]

Zero vision out of the windshield. (way too much heat and condensation)

No defogger or wipers.

The End.

[avsfan21]

Easy to fix. If they can do it in Nationwide, they can do it in Cup.

[Buick GN]

$$ - in today's economy.

weight gains

Possible in the shop prior to the scheduled race? Yes.

Trackside? Unlikely, hence today's rain delay.

NA$CAR has better things to do than predict Mother Nature.

[avsfan21]

Oh give me a break, dont blame this on the Economy. I think that most of the teams can afford to fit windshield wipers, defogging, and lights for the back with the amount they spend on R/D. If they cant, they probably werent going to run the full race anyway. The cars should be built ready for rain when they get to the track when they go to road courses. There is no excuse not to run in the rain on road courses in a top tier of any race series. It just goes to show how out of touch Nascar really is with the real racing world.

[Buick GN]

The economy was only one of my points.

You know what they say about opinions..

You have yours, I have mine.