Does anyone else wish Avery was drilled in the back yesterday?

[freezerbox]

While watching Avery face Brodeur to get in his face, I couldn't help thinking a howitzer to the back would likely straighten him out. :D

[cflames89]

LOL!!!!

The league will straighten it out today.

[Elias_Devil]

I would have laughed. I just wished that the OT goal went off him.

[pellegrino6587]

avery is the man......how can marty stand him :rolleyes:

he really is the pest of the playoffs




GO RANGERS!!!

[tragically fish]

I guarantee if Scott Stevens was still in the Devils lineup, Avery would not being pulling any stunts like that. That was disgraceful.

[freezerbox]

Generally, he knows his role and is great at getting under the skin of his opponents. He too often steps over the line, and although apparently within the rules, just didn't sit well with me.

[Mats_44]

This is what the game of hockey is all about. Playing with an edge and doing whatever it takes to win so long as you can get away with it. There are no brownie points for playing like a true gentleman, that is not the game of hockey. Unless your only goal is to win the Lady Byng Trophy every year.

He may be an ass and it may be hard to like him or respect him, but you kind of have to admire his willingness to do whatever it takes to win. And you can not deny his passion and his heart. Teams like the Senators and the Sharks could use an Avery.

I hate him but I respect him.

[madcracker]

I'd rather see him drilled in the pills like Patrick Thoresen.

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

I was shocked to see Avery pulling that stunt. While he needs to play aggressive I think that crossed the line of being honorable. If you see the replay, you will see Drury skate into him to tell him something and sort of try to push him around to face the play. The league will quickly begin calling that unsportsmanlike. I need to give Marty some props for keeping his cool and not costing his team by drilling Avery upside the head.

What is your take on Scotty Hartnell? He's pretty brutal to goalies and took out Huet yesterday and punched him in the back of the head. Is Hartnell the leagues next Avery?

[King Kuda]

I watched it several different times. If he would have kept his stick down and his arms down, I think it would have been okay. But, with the stick up, it could be construed as enticing another player to committ a penalty, which is a misconduct.

CBC's Ron Maclean spoke of it last night and read the NHL rule book. When bozo had his stick and hands up, I'd say they're right, its worth a unsportsmanlike misconduct as he was trying to entice Brodeur.

But, if he keeps his hands down and his mouth shut? Not so sure. Plus, we know he cant keep his mouth shut.

3 things

1) What did his teammate say to him when he was doing that to Brodeur? One of his own players skated over to him and said something. Anyone know what it was?

2) Agreed, if you're the most hated guy in the league, you shouldn't take anything to chance, including the assumption that one of your own teammates won't have a problem with driving the rubber into the back of your noggin, lol.

3) And of serious concern, taking one in the back of the neck could be dangerous too. There was an amateur player up here in Alberta that was killed that way. Went down to block a shot which hit him in the back of the neck. I think it hit an artery or something and that was it, poor kid died.

[Mats_44]

What is your take on Scotty Hartnell? He's pretty brutal to goalies and took out Huet yesterday and punched him in the back of the head. Is Hartnell the leagues next Avery?

Pretty much the entire Flyers roster is the leagues next Avery...............

[pellegrino6587]

avery is the man :)

[Paul755]

Avery is a great many things (pest, agitator, diver, scumbag, wuss, etc...)

But the man knows his role. I loved what he was doing trying to get MB off his game.

[pellegrino6587]

Avery is a great many things (pest, agitator, diver, scumbag, wuss, etc...)

But the man knows his role. I loved what he was doing trying to get MB off his game.

exactly.....a goalie like marty?? playoffs?? avery is doing what he does best

[PhillyWing19]

Pretty much the entire Flyers roster is the leagues next Avery...............


Right.... I am certain we'll see guys like Sami Kapanen, Kimmo Timmonen, Danny Briere et al pulling stunts like that starting tomorrow night. :rolleyes:

[pellegrino6587]

While watching Avery face Brodeur to get in his face, I couldn't help thinking a howitzer to the back would likely straighten him out. :D

also, if you listened, i think it was intermission...they wer talking about it.

they said you hope your Dmen like you so they dont hit you in the back of the leg or whatever.................the rangers love avery, he does his job, and they win games..................corrct me if im wrong but players liek shanny, gomez and agr all said that when he was hurt the team wasnt the same.....when he came back they were back on track

[Mats_44]

Right.... I am certain we'll see guys like Sami Kapanen, Kimmo Timmonen, Danny Briere et al pulling stunts like that starting tomorrow night. :rolleyes:

Obviously I was being sarcastic to a degree. That's why I said "pretty much everyone". I most definitely was going for some humour in that statement, try not to get too upset about it. You HAVE to expect a sarcastic statement like that when you consider how much goonery the Flyers have dished out this year.

But hey, you're right, the Flyers players have been "as clean as apple pie" this year. I was just making the whole thing up! :rolleyes:

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Obviously I was being sarcastic to a degree. That's why I said "pretty much everyone". I most definitely was going for some humour in that statement, try not to get too upset about it. You HAVE to expect a sarcastic statement like that when you consider how much goonery the Flyers have dished out this year.

But hey, you're right, the Flyers players have been "as clean as apple pie" this year. I was just making the whole thing up! :rolleyes:

I think Hartnell should have been drilled in the head by the Caps defensemen after that flop on top of Huet with the punch/rake to the back of the head. Maybe that would have stopped the 5-on-5 master of ceremonies, Briere, from slew footing Huet later in the game.

[dirtysox]

Avery is a great many things (pest, agitator, diver, scumbag, wuss, etc...)

I don't know if I'd call him a wuss. He always gets in everyone's face, but it's not like he backs down from fights or turtles.

[Mats_44]

I don't know if I'd call him a wuss. He always gets in everyone's face, but it's not like he backs down from fights or turtles.

You are way wrong about that. He USED to fight a lot when he was with the Kings, but since joining the Rangers he rarely ever fights now and very often turtles away and runs away from fights and refuses to back up his words........

[SEAHAWKS ROCK!]

i would have loved to see Brodeur punch him square in the mouth with his blocker:D

[memoman9]

While what Avery did might not be covered in the rulebook, it should have been an unsportsmanlike call or perhaps goaltender interference. Agree or disagree, it was disgraceful to say the least. Mark Recchi said that in no way shape or form would he ever consider doing anything similar, and I'm sure most guys in the league as well as even some of Avery's teammates thought it was bushleague.

I agree with the sentiment that if Jersey had a Scott Stevens in the lineup it wouldn't happen again.

[ShakesO]

I think you get to get away with that once. I don't find it any different than the football or basketball players waving their arms to distract a kicker/shooter. The difference I suppose is Avery was about a foot away from Brodeur.

Do I think it's classless? No, not really... I'm not sure I agreed with how high up his stick was - that's sort've dangerous.

But it's not my call. If all the players in the league think it's a horsesh0t play, then they're allowed to call a penatly. It didn't look like Drury was impressed, nor the ref, and I'm thinking Brodeur didn't like it either ;)

That said, if you're facing the goalie he can't hack you in the back of the ankles for being in his crease, a la Ed Belfour. So maybe Avery has some survival skills going there lmao. Brodeur probably could've got a free shot in there.

ps. you're right, all you need is a Stevens or a Phaneuf to drill you and that will keep a player from doing it again.

[GoNiners]

Avery is awesome!

Stop being haters!

[Mats_44]

Avery is awesome!

Stop being haters!

Wow, and you're in New Jersey!! :eek: LOL

[GoNiners]

Wow, and you're in New Jersey!! :eek: LOL

lol Ive gotten flack for being a fan of the Rangers(and to a degree the 49ers and Bulls) for a looooooooooooooooong time.

[Paul755]

I don't know if I'd call him a wuss. He always gets in everyone's face, but it's not like he backs down from fights or turtles.

You are way wrong about that. He USED to fight a lot when he was with the Kings, but since joining the Rangers he rarely ever fights now and very often turtles away and runs away from fights and refuses to back up his words........
Exactly...remember when he called out all french canadians, then refused to back any of up when challenged by players like Ian Lappariere. He turtles or just flat out refuses to fight.

[Wrestling Fan]

I was waiting for Brodeur to give him a solid blocker shot to the chiklets :D

[human_anomaly]

I don't hate the guy and i'm not a fan
i didn't see what he did to Brodeur, but he knows how to get to the other team and it wins games, and that's what goes down in the books, the W

[TS16NYC]

Avery has 3 goals in 3 games, and has the Devils goaltender, and entire roster trying to get at him.

Did his "screen" of Broduer go over the line? Technically, no.

Honorably, maybe?

But then what of Zach Parise's running, from behind no less, of Marc Staal as time ran out during Game 2?

This is the playoffs. That is hockey.

And also has anyone noticed that the refereeing has been horrible? Both ways?

[King Kuda]

NHL Rulebook Definition (CBC's Ron Mclean's justification for a 10 minute unsportsmanlike misconduct penalty)

"A misconduct penalty shall be imposed on any player who persists in any course of conduct (including threatening or abusive language or gestures or similar actions) designed to incite an opponent into incurring a penalty."

So, I think Avery's persistance and the stick being up (perceived as threatening) would meet this criteria. However, if his stick is down, his hands are down, I don't know. :confused:

One thought I had that could be argued is that if Avery's hands are down, but he's doing the same thing, Brodeur may be even more enticed to give him a shot in the chops, because Avery wouldn't be able and quick to defend himself with his hands. Then would this be interpreted is inciting a penalty by an opponent ? I'd say yes.

A bit of a grey area, but I wouldn't be surprised if the league says knock it off ASAP.


Taken from NHL Website, rule #41 - Misconducts

http://www.nhl.com/hockeyu/rulebook/rule41.html

[Lord_Stanley_#89]

Avery has 3 goals in 3 games, and has the Devils goaltender, and entire roster trying to get at him.

Did his "screen" of Broduer go over the line? Technically, no.

Honorably, maybe?

But then what of Zach Parise's running, from behind no less, of Marc Staal as time ran out during Game 2?

This is the playoffs. That is hockey.

And also has anyone noticed that the refereeing has been horrible? Both ways?

I thought you were an Islander fan? :confused:

[Paul755]

And we have the "Sean Avery Rule"

-- MEDIA ADVISORY --

INTERPRETATION OF RULE 75 – UNSPORTSMANLIKE CONDUCT


NEW YORK/TORONTO (April 14, 2008) -- National Hockey League Senior
Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations Colin Campbell
today issued the following advisory on the interpretation of Rule 75 -
Unsportsmanlike Conduct: "An unsportsmanlike conduct minor penalty (Rule
75) will be interpreted and applied, effective immediately, to a situation
when an offensive player positions himself facing the opposition goaltender
and engages in actions such as waving his arms or stick in front of the
goaltender's face, for the purpose of improperly interfering with and/or
distracting the goaltender as opposed to positioning himself to try to make
a play."
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=14767

[Mats_44]

It does seem odd that Avery never seems to get a taste of his own medicine or pay for his actions on the ice. He can run away from fight challenges all he wants, but eventually you'd think somebody would be able to smoke him with a bone crushing hit or even a dirty hit somewhere along the line. It's amazing that nobody ever seems to be able to get at thim. I liken him to the Road Runner. Beep Beep!

Avery is cut from the same cloth as Darcy Tucker, but even Tucker took plenty of licks along the way and gets severely punished with big hits lots of times.

How Avery seems to get away with everything without paying a price is beyond my understanding......

[TastySweetNutz]

Interesting that the rules had to be refined due to what he did.

When I saw him doing that I got a pretty good laugh out of it. I see no problem with it but then again I'm a Rangers fan. But in all honesty it does come off being unsportsmanlike and I'm surprised that no one else has done this. Avery isn't the smartest guy in the world but he is certainly creative.

[DWRIGHT THE SAVIOR]

You are way wrong about that. He USED to fight a lot when he was with the Kings, but since joining the Rangers he rarely ever fights now and very often turtles away and runs away from fights and refuses to back up his words........

Maybe he figures he's more useful to the team when he's out of the box

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zLjwNDJEwTw

[Paul755]

Interesting that the rules had to be refined due to what he did.
I'm think the real commish aka the GM of the Devils had alot to do with that. He has so much pull with Bettman it's not funny.

[cflames89]

And we have the "Sean Avery Rule"


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=14767

I actually thought we might get this tomorrow, not today. Colin must have been up all night writing that one.

[TS16NYC]

Islander Fan????

Isn't the avatar a giveaway?

Ranger fan for 30 yrs.

[Marky316]

You know what gets me upset is how EVERYONE gets on this guys back,I am sorry I knew Avery from the LA days and knew what the Rangers where getting yes he is a pain in the ass BUT HE CAN PLAY AND SCORE!! An the sin of this BS he gets is that EVERY TEAM IN THE NHL will LOVE to have this guy on there team(Yes even you Islander,Devil and Philly Fans!!)
What he did last night was GREAT,even marty said it was a smart play by him and that NO ONE every did that. And now I ask you this....if Sid the Kid did that will the NHL make this rule change and Fans be on his back...I think NOT. Because it's Avery THE NHL PEST and NOT Marketable so everyone gets on his case and the NHL does this rule change.

I hope the rangers win the cup and Avery gets the MVP..that will shutup everyone...well maybe

Good luck to all your teams that made the playoffs.

LET'S GO RANGERS!!

[petenfld]

I was shocked to see Avery pulling that stunt. While he needs to play aggressive I think that crossed the line of being honorable. If you see the replay, you will see Drury skate into him to tell him something and sort of try to push him around to face the play. The league will quickly begin calling that unsportsmanlike. I need to give Marty some props for keeping his cool and not costing his team by drilling Avery upside the head.

What is your take on Scotty Hartnell? He's pretty brutal to goalies and took out Huet yesterday and punched him in the back of the head. Is Hartnell the leagues next Avery?

I have absolutely no use for Hartnell
I watched him take head shots at Crosby just beofre the playoffs
and then that crap with Huet - There is playing the game tough and then there is good hockey where your whole intend is to injury players
I would say he is the next McSorley - one stupid play away from being kicked out of the league
At least Avery can score goals

[Elias_Devil]

avery is the man :)

I'm sure you were saying that when he was in Los Angeles. :rolleyes:

[pellegrino6587]

Wow, and you're in New Jersey!! :eek: LOL

and your a leafs fan.....how was the masters this past weekend??? i thought i saw captain mats as tigers caddie :) could have been mistaken

and avery has a different role then when he was with the kings....kinda, now he just pisses people off and tryies to.....yes, tries to stay out of the box, but you cant help it when he throws a water bottle into the stands against boston haha now this with marty? TO FUNNY! hes awesome


i also think everyone is jealous hes not on their team....and to the rangers fans who didnt liek this? i just dont know

[pellegrino6587]

I'm sure you were saying that when he was in Los Angeles. :rolleyes:

actually......I WAS!

:rolleyes:back at ya

[pellegrino6587]

I actually thought we might get this tomorrow, not today. Colin must have been up all night writing that one.

ohhhhhhhh the nhl is to funny.....this is ******ed

[Mats_44]

and your a leafs fan.....how was the masters this past weekend??? i thought i saw captain mats as tigers caddie :) could have been mistaken

and avery has a different role then when he was with the kings....kinda, now he just pisses people off and tryies to.....yes, tries to stay out of the box, but you cant help it when he throws a water bottle into the stands against boston haha now this with marty? TO FUNNY! hes awesome


i also think everyone is jealous hes not on their team....and to the rangers fans who didnt liek this? i just dont know

Jeez enough with the golf jokes!! It's time for you to get some new material!! Your act is becoming boring and a bit of a type-cast!! :p

Also, I'm not jealous that Avery is not on my team. I have Tucker!! :D

[pellegrino6587]

Jeez enough with the golf jokes!! It's time for you to get some new material!! Your act is becoming boring and a bit of a type-cast!! :p

Also, I'm not jealous that Avery is not on my team. I have Tucker!! :D

HAHAHA, you can have tucker, id much rather have avery over him any game

ill do as many golf jokes as i want to thank you very much :)

also if they consider him waving his stick around a penalty....then why dont they get tucker for threating avery before the leafs rangers game during the warmups??.....oh cause it was warm ups thats why DUH

[Dirty Mo Posse]

That was over the top and classless if you ask me.

:D

Posse

[Mats_44]

HAHAHA, you can have tucker, id much rather have avery over him any game

ill do as many golf jokes as i want to thank you very much :)

Hey go ahead, nobody's stopping you. As long as you don't mind hearing crickets chirping in the background instead of laughter!! :p

Shrug, you can keep Avery, last time I checked he hasn't ever scored 20 goals in a season whereas Tucker has SIX 20-goal seasons under his belt including a 28 goal season and two 24 goal seasons.

No thanks, you can keep Avery! :p

[pellegrino6587]

FOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.....................crickets crickets...............................crickets...........................crickets............playoffs? oh yea avery is in the top points for playoffs (as of now)(yes i know they just started).....and im not guna keep this non sense going with a leafs fan...........especially one (in my eyes) who is like avery in this forum in general....i see you starting things up with everyone!

[madcracker]

Sean Avery is a piece of garbage and I wouldn't piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.

Same goes for Darcy Tucker.

At least Tucker has put up points in his career.

The moral of the story: The both of you can keep your trash.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

[pellegrino6587]

Sean Avery is a piece of garbage and I wouldn't piss in his ear if his brain was on fire.

Same goes for Darcy Tucker.

At least Tucker has put up points in his career.

The moral of the story: The both of you can keep your trash.

I mean that in the nicest way possible.

ANNNNNNNNNNNND out of left field.........i was done.......as for him i dont know...thanks though:)

[Mats_44]

You see, it's not just Leafs fans that are going to be mean to you. madcracker is a Habs fan in case you didn't know. We are all going to gang up on you until we make you cry and develop an eating disorder!! :p

[pellegrino6587]

You see, it's not just Leafs fans that are going to be mean to you. madcracker is a Habs fan in case you didn't know. We are all going to gang up on you until we make you cry and develop an eating disorder!! :p

...............ok? i guess??? im terrified if it makes you happy...........and back to the discussion on the avery play:eek:

[Mats_44]

...............ok? i guess??? im terrified if it makes you happy...........and back to the discussion on the avery play:eek:

Sigh, you sure do have a hard time identifying when I am making a joke.

[Tom R from Pittsburgh]

its simple. Avery is a good player who knows his role well. To the play in question, there is no place for that stuff in the game of hockey. I am sure there will be penalties called, now that the league has decided to enforce a penalty that has been on the books for ever.

At least the Devils have won a game...

[IceRat]

I am no Avery fan but if any of the Devils players had any sense they would have run into his stick which he was waving around in the air

could have easily got a PP out of it

[dirtysox]

You are way wrong about that. He USED to fight a lot when he was with the Kings, but since joining the Rangers he rarely ever fights now and very often turtles away and runs away from fights and refuses to back up his words........

I guess I just watched him play more when he was in the west.

That being said, I agree with , and would take Darcy Tucker over Avery any day. I think it was in the '04 playoffs, when he looked like he got hit with a bag of doorknobs when the leafs were eliminated from the playoffs. That's when I really started to like him. Kinda reminded me of Linden on '94.

[94Rangers]

You are way wrong about that. He USED to fight a lot when he was with the Kings, but since joining the Rangers he rarely ever fights now and very often turtles away and runs away from fights and refuses to back up his words........

He didn't fight much in the middle of the season because of wrist problems to be fair. And I have yet to see him turtle in a fight with the Rangers.

And everyone else, have a sense of humor. No one is gonna do it again because they made a rule for it. Quit being the fun police (as Mad Mike put it).;)

[Elias_Devil]

actually......I WAS!

:rolleyes:back at ya

Don't lie to me. Doesn't matter because no team is going to sign him this offseason.

[MikeMack335]

While watching Avery face Brodeur to get in his face, I couldn't help thinking a howitzer to the back would likely straighten him out. :D

even though hes a pest, you don't wish that on anybody dude

[pellegrino6587]

Don't lie to me. Doesn't matter because no team is going to sign him this offseason.

rangers are keeping him

[Elias_Devil]

rangers are keeping him

It doesn't sound like they want him back.