Bengals turn down 2 1st rounders for Johnson? [Archive]

bg819

04-22-2008, 08:47 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3358557

How serious are the Cincinnati Bengals about not giving in to Chad Johnson's trade demands?

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Johnson

Serious enough to swat away an offer from the Washington Redskins that could have netted the Bengals two first round draft picks, team and league sources said.

The Redskins offered this year's first round pick, No. 21 overall, and a conditional third rounder in 2009 that could escalate to a first rounder if Johnson and the Redskins hit certain performance levels, the sources said.

It was not the first time the Redskins approached the Bengals about a deal but it was the first significant proposal.

The Bengals have not only rejected the Redskins, but two other NFC East suitors -- the Dallas Cowboys and Philadelphia Eagles -- have been informed that there has been no change in the team's position that Johnson will not be traded.

The Bengals have noted to those suitors that Johnson has been the "second-highest paid receiver" in the NFL during the past three years, indignant about suggestions that Johnson also wants a new contract, the sources said.

Trading Johnson also would mean Cincinnati would take an $8 million salary cap hit, but that amount could be split over the next two years. Additionally, as one anonymous owner told ESPN.com, "There's nothing wrong with dead money. It's cash already paid and it's cash back in your pocket that you don't have to spend, especially with the [high] amount of everyone's salary cap these days."

Chris Mortensen covers the NFL for ESPN.

ptrac30

04-22-2008, 08:51 AM

Man, the BENGALS are stupid if thats true.

Voodoo Chylde

04-22-2008, 08:52 AM

Smbdyfnkillme

04-22-2008, 09:03 AM

Well, so much for my hopes of an Ocho Cinco/ Donnie Mac hookup. Although, what are they gonna do when he decides to sit it out? I'm not clear on how that works. Surely, the Bengals aren't planning to pay him to do nothing. And since he's not working basically they would have justification to fire him for breach of contract right? So, then they lose him for nothing. Or am I missing something?

As long as he reports for the last 6 games of the season, he gets credit for playing the whole year in regards to his contract. They would only pay him for those 6 games.

At least that's how I remember it.

mzdaspeed30

04-22-2008, 09:05 AM

Wow how stupid is that if its true in the words of charles barkley if the bengals don't make that trade they are the stupidest team in the history of civilization I mean I know chad is a good player and they don't wana give that up but why have an unhappy player that doesn't get along with the coach and is not happy about the situation there with the first round pick they receive for johnson they can get another good receiver with carson as your qb and whosyourmama on the other side any decent receiever will look good in that offense look what playing with peyton and harrison did for wayne.

nathynwest

04-22-2008, 09:06 AM

beat me to the post. :( but seriously Chad in the NFC East can that division get any harder?

85bengals

04-22-2008, 09:08 AM

Man, the BENGALS are stupid if thats true.

NO! They are stupid without turning this down, in 20 years of watching this team they do this type of dumb stuff all the time, I cannot believe this one! Mike Brown is an absolute idiot and knows NOTHING about the game of football!

mariners4411

04-22-2008, 09:13 AM

Mike Brown showing again why he is one of the smartest and best owners in sports. :rolleyes:

Voodoo Chylde

04-22-2008, 09:15 AM

Good call Cinci! Dont give into the Deadskins.
Ummm, you realize they told us and the Cowboys to "get bent" as well right?

koreapeekay

04-22-2008, 09:22 AM

They should've pulled the trigger on that one,definitely.

Poochiesdead

04-22-2008, 09:41 AM

As much as it would suck to see him on the Skins, the Bengals are ****ing stupid to turn that down...

stanley customs

04-22-2008, 09:48 AM

I hate Mike Brown. He is the dumbest man ever to walk the planet. Looks like another crappy year for the Bengals. :(

Ben Vance

04-22-2008, 09:52 AM

As much as it would suck to see him on the Skins, the Bengals are ****ing stupid to turn that down...

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...

Cobra39

04-22-2008, 09:54 AM

Even though it is not right because the player has a contract, it rarely works out to where the player stays with the team he is feuding with. It is best to get what they can, and a 1st rounder and 3rd/1st rounder sounds pretty good to me. The Bengals' problem is that they gave him a load of money as a signing bonus. His current salary must be low or he would not be worth those picks (Moss was traded for a 4th rounder I think).

Still, there's nobody can do what Ocho Cinco do.

Cobra39

Cobra39

04-22-2008, 09:58 AM

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...

Chad is a good teammate. He has just had enough in Cincy. Plenty of people have.

If Moss and TO aren't currently cancers, then I don't see that Chad will necessarily be one.

I do agree that Jason Campbell is not an answer at QB.

Cobra39

SmartassBoiler

04-22-2008, 09:59 AM

People are missing out on how the Bengals have to eat $8 million in cap room to deal CJ. That's a pretty significant blow to their salary cap, even if they are offered quite a bit in return. With Chris Henry gone, the Bengals are left with no WR depth behind TJ. Multiple picks might help address that need, but they're going to be taking another step back and will have to re-build again if they deal CJ.

Plus the thread title is a bit mis-leading...the 2nd pick offered in the trade wasn't a guaranteed 1st rounder.

Poochiesdead

04-22-2008, 10:00 AM

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...It's not just a first, it's a first and a third (which could possibly become a first). The guy doesn't want to be there, the whole league knows he doesn't want to be there, and you turn down the best offer you'll end up getting? It's just a dumb move.

McFarlane Mojo

04-22-2008, 10:02 AM

I was jacked up about the reinstatement of Odell, now I'm just pissed at the front office. That's ignorant, if Ocho doesn't want to be a Bengal, there's no use in keeping him. He'll just plagued the team like TO has in the past.

SmartassBoiler

04-22-2008, 10:02 AM

It's not just a first, it's a first and a third (which could possibly become a first). The guy doesn't want to be there, the whole league knows he doesn't want to be there, and you turn down the best offer you'll end up getting? It's just a dumb move.

That's quite a leap of logic to say that this is the best offer they'll end up getting. It's simply the best offer they've received so far.

I think teams will realize that they'll have to overpay to get CJ due to the cap hit that I mentioned in my post above.

GoNiners

04-22-2008, 10:03 AM

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...

Randy Moss went to the Patriots last year for a 4th rounder.(A few years before that he went to the Raiders for one first and Napolean Harris)
A few years ago Terrell Owens went to Philly for a fifth rounder and a throw away player
Javon Walker went to the Broncos for a 2nd rounder

GoNiners

04-22-2008, 10:04 AM

owenstar

04-22-2008, 10:05 AM

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...

Proven or not, you have to get him on the field to win those games.....

And if Moss who is better that Ocho gets you a 4th in return, getting a number 1 isnt a bad offer....

Talk radio said they would be shocked if Cincy got offered more than a 3rd...they should be jumping for joy if they got offers of first round picks....

I dont like paying unproven rookies all this money either, but thats the system we have

McFarlane Mojo

04-22-2008, 10:05 AM

Poochiesdead

04-22-2008, 10:06 AM

That's quite a leap of logic to say that this is the best offer they'll end up getting. It's simply the best offer they've received so far.

I think teams will realize that they'll have to overpay to get CJ due to the cap hit that I mentioned in my post above.It is a bit of a leap, but the way GM's treat draft picks like gold you can honestly tell me you think someone will offer more than that? I think teams would rather go without him (especially with all the stuff he is doing and saying now to get out of Cinci) than give up more than that.

SmartassBoiler

04-22-2008, 10:06 AM

The 8 mil would be deferred because the Bengels didn't cut anyone as a post-June 1st move(teams can do that with 2 players) so really the blow this year would be 3.9 mil and next year 4.1 mil.

Oh ok, thanks for clarifying that. I imagine two $4 million cap hits in successive years will drive up the trade price still, however.

SmartassBoiler

04-22-2008, 10:07 AM

It is a bit of a leap, but the way GM's treat draft picks like gold you can honestly tell me you think someone will offer more than that? I think teams would rather go without him (especially with all the stuff he is doing and saying now to get out of Cinci) than give up more than that.

I think with the seemingly unexciting draft group coming out this year, it might be a little easier to get a few draft picks than usual. I'm sure there are a number of GMs not overly excited about the players coming out this year.

Is the stuff he's doing and saying really any different than what's been done before? We've seen this with a number of players before, but when it comes time to either sit out and not get paid, or play and make millions, the money wins out almost every time.

Hardcore Legend

04-22-2008, 10:48 AM

Screw the Bungals.

ChargerChris

04-22-2008, 10:52 AM

Dumb move Bengals...Johnson is going to destroy your locker room this season

daboltz

04-22-2008, 10:54 AM

Man, the BENGALS are stupid if thats true.

Yep, hard to believe...

Indy Jones

04-22-2008, 11:00 AM

Bangels are dumb and the Redskins are even dumber.

Dan Snyder needs to be kicked out of NFL, how many dumb trades can be made by one team?

YlhandlZ

04-22-2008, 12:28 PM

Unfounded according to Marvin:

Bengals coach Marvin Lewis, in a pre-draft news conference this morning, said the Bengals have not received any trade offers, including one from the Redskins for their first-round pick this year and third-round pick next year, for disgruntled wide receiver Chad Johnson.

And when asked if Johnson’s threat to not to play would affect the team’s draft plans, Lewis said it wouldn't, and added that Johnson should be prepared to sit out the season.

"I think he has made it clear he’s not going to play, and that’s what I’ve been aware of since the end of last season. I think it’s time to do what you say you’re going to do, and we’ll move forward.

"He has a contract through 2011. He stated, without an opportunity to go to another team with a new contract he wasn’t going to play. I think he’s a man of his word, and says he’s not going to play, so don’t play."

In its report of the Redskins trade offer, ESPN.com said the 2009 pick could elevate to a first if Johnson were to hit performance incentives with Washington.

"Errant," is how Lewis described the report of the trade offer. "I don’t think Mike Brown received a call."

"No," Lewis said again when asked if Brown had received any trade offers.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080422/SPT02/304220098/

I think this would be a crap deal anyway. Bengals need to add talent NOW. Those extra first rounders would likely just end up in jail anyway without any veteran leadership on this team.

Hardcore Legend

04-22-2008, 12:32 PM

Haven't gotten any offers for Johnson? I find that very hard to believe. Lewis more than likely wants to try to force Johnson's hand into sit out this season.

Poochiesdead

04-22-2008, 12:42 PM

Unfounded according to Marvin:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/AB/20080422/SPT02/304220098/

I think this would be a crap deal anyway. Bengals need to add talent NOW. Those extra first rounders would likely just end up in jail anyway without any veteran leadership on this team.Do you expect them to actually come out and say "Yes we turned down the Redskins offer and told the Cowboys and Eagles he was not available because we plan on keeping him just to spite him."? I certainly don't...

Voodoo Chylde

04-22-2008, 12:49 PM

Haven't gotten any offers for Johnson? I find that very hard to believe. Lewis more than likely wants to try to force Johnson's hand into sit out this season.

Do you expect them to actually come out and say "Yes we turned down the Redskins offer and told the Cowboys and Eagles he was not available because we plan on keeping him just to spite him."? I certainly don't...

Correct on both fronts. Lewis is pretty much daring Johnson to "be a man and do what you said". Meaning to sit out the entire season. This takes them out of the spotlight and makes Chad look bad. "he quit on us. Not the other way 'round." I used to respect Lewis. But the way he has run this team is disgraceful.

UFCFan

04-22-2008, 01:17 PM

How is it stupid? A 21st overall pick more than likely won't become a superstar in the league and that's what Chad is... Honestly I would give up any 1st round pick for CJ; why pay an unproven Jake Long 10 million a year when you can get a proven receiver that WILL win you ball games. Teams have to be willing to give up more than their 21st overall pick.

Also it's a blessing in the skies for the Redskins because Jason Campbell isn't a good enough QB and Chad Johnson would become a cancer on that team...

Lmao. I don't know what is funnier- saying you would give up any 1st round pick for Chad, or saying "blessing in the skies." That would be blessing in disguise, my man.

mikedanger

04-22-2008, 01:29 PM

or saying "blessing in the skies." That would be blessing in disguise, my man.

lol...good point secret asian man. excuse me while i kiss this guy.

Voodoo Chylde

04-22-2008, 01:30 PM

ROTFLMAO!!!

jonsoriano08

04-22-2008, 01:34 PM

i would have loved to see him on the 9ers.....i mean, some other team. LOL!

i wonder where CJ would WANT to go.

warchant01

04-22-2008, 01:56 PM

IF he does get traded, I hope he goes to the ****tiest passing team out there where he maybe sees 3 or 4 balls a game, and he'll drop one of those. He has gone from a good guy to a turd overnight in my eyes. He just wants to win? He doesn't think the Bengals can win? It could be worse, Chad...much worse. How is what you're doing right now helping the team you signed multiple contract extensions with? Pissy that TJ got more love last year? What is it you little fing crybaby?

NotoriousVesaToskala

04-22-2008, 02:01 PM

LMAO, blessing in the skies? Hahahahahah, ohhh man, you can't make this stuff up.

As for Johnson, I still don't think the Bengals will punish themselves ($8 million cap hit) simply to accommodate his trade demand unless they are completely blown away with an offer or when Johnson begins his holdout and they have no other choice.

snedden001

04-22-2008, 02:01 PM

Would Bungles fans consider the moment before Kimo got rolled into Carson Palmer as the high point in the last 20 years? Its been all downhill since there. They must really hate the Steelers.

rarechaselimitedvariation

04-22-2008, 02:30 PM

it's the bungals

Ben Vance

04-22-2008, 02:58 PM

Lmao. I don't know what is funnier- saying you would give up any 1st round pick for Chad, or saying "blessing in the skies." That would be blessing in disguise, my man.

I'm just saying I would rather have a proven superstar in Chad Johnson, than an unproven rookie.

LOL I always thought the saying was "Blessing in the skies", meaning from God. But now that I think about it, disguise would work too:o:)

mikedanger

04-22-2008, 03:13 PM

LOL I always thought the saying was "Blessing in the skies", meaning from God. But now that I think about it, disguise would work too:o:)

it's ok ben...when i was a kid i thought the song "can't hurry love" was "kangaroo love"...of course i figured it out by the time i was your age. :p

RETRO-MAN

04-22-2008, 03:27 PM

The bengals should stand their ground and teach this clown a lesson.. Yes clown!

Some of you should realize that money isn't everything to everyone and if Chad Johnson is so great then why the hell did the bengals suck it up last year with him?

Why now after a bad season is chad whining? He seemed ok when they had winning seasons the previous years! I'd rather make this guy come crawling back and teach him some integrity and how to be a man and honor his contract than give in.. If he didn't like cincinnati, then he shouldn't have signed a new contract 2 years ago.

Chad is typical of so many high profile athletes today who are not team players.. They are only seem to be team players when things are going their way or the team is winning. It happens every year somewhere and when they don't get what they want, it's everyone else's fault but theirs, nor can they just stand up and say i made a mistake and it's time to move forward and get better as a team and a person. Instead they want a trade or a new contract or more money or new teammates, etc..

Chad's such a coward, he can even admit what he doesn't like about the team? The coaches, certain players, better defense, the city? What?

You can tell a lot about a man's character when he faces adversity!

Hardcore Legend

04-22-2008, 04:16 PM

Isn't there a way for the Bungals to avoid the cap hit? Couldn't they renegotiate a contract with him that shifts most of his pay to a signing bonus, then trade with a team for the cost of that signing bonus + picks? Or does the NFL not allow you to trade money?

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 04:17 PM

****! I now hate those damn bengals..I hope we offer them more..OCHO CINCO would look great in a REDSKINS jersey!

UFCFan

04-22-2008, 05:22 PM

****! I now hate those damn bengals..I hope we offer them more..OCHO CINCO would look great in a REDSKINS jersey!

You want them to offer more? Sheer lunacy....

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 05:26 PM

You want them to offer more? Sheer lunacy....

I'd give them whatever amount of draft picks it took to get Johnson..This draft is kinda weak in WR's, and it would be nice to have an elite 1 like Chad Johnson..1,400+ yards, 10 TD's, 100+ catches are pretty much guaranteed with Ocho Cinco..Yes, I'd love him on my team.

Especially in the NFC East, you're going to need some fire power on offense.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 05:27 PM

****! I now hate those damn bengals..I hope we offer them more..OCHO CINCO would look great in a REDSKINS jersey!

Will they Redskins ever learn that the best way to build a team is through the draft?

Look at all the good teams, they all built through the draft. Yes some signed a few free agents but didnt give away ever pick. The sad thing is redskins have had some good players drafted they just dont have enough draft picks every year.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:04 PM

Will they Redskins ever learn that the best way to build a team is through the draft?

Look at all the good teams, they all built through the draft. Yes some signed a few free agents but didnt give away ever pick. The sad thing is redskins have had some good players drafted they just dont have enough draft picks every year.

We could still have like 6 or 7 draft picks even if we trade for Chad Johnsons..I think we have 9 draft picks for this draft.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 06:13 PM

We could still have like 6 or 7 draft picks even if we trade for Chad Johnsons..I think we have 9 draft picks for this draft.

Yes getting Johnson would be good but just in general you guys give up way too many draft picks that is a fact.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:15 PM

Yes getting Johnson would be good but just in general you guys give up way too many draft picks that is a fact.

We have given up alot of draft picks, yes..But I'd gladly give up some more draft picks for Ocho Cinco.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 06:16 PM

We have given up alot of draft picks, yes..But I'd gladly give up some more draft picks for Ocho Cinco.

I really dont understand why the Bengals would rather keep Johnson then give him up for what could be 2 1st round picks? Then they could use 2 1st round picks this year on D and then 2 next year on D depending on how Johnson performs. They are fools.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:17 PM

I really dont understand why the Bengals would rather keep Johnson then give him up for what could be 2 1st round picks? Then they could use 2 1st round picks this year on D and then 2 next year on D depending on how Johnson performs. They are fools.

Yeah, im really surprised the bengals declined this offer..They have a horrible defense and like you said, they could rebuild it.

Hardcore Legend

04-22-2008, 06:31 PM

We have given up alot of draft picks, yes..But I'd gladly give up some more draft picks for Ocho Cinco.

I doubt with any of those draft picks we could find a player as talented as Ocho Cinco. The deal makes sense for both sides IF the Bungals weren't worried about the cap hit.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:33 PM

I doubt with any of those draft picks we could find a player as talented as Ocho Cinco. The deal makes sense for both sides IF the Bungals weren't worried about the cap hit.

Exactly..I'd take 1 of the best WR's in the NFL over an un-proven rookie.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 06:35 PM

But the point is at some point the Redskins should try to do what most of the good teams in the NFL do which is DRAFT PLAYERS not give away all your picks.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:36 PM

But the point is at some point the Redskins should try to do what most of the good teams in the NFL do which is DRAFT PLAYERS not give away all your picks.

How many times do teams have a chance to get a great WR? The patriots did, and took a chance on Moss and gave up a 4th round pick for him..Which was obviously a steal.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 06:38 PM

How many times do teams have a chance to get a great WR? The patriots did, and took a chance on Moss and gave up a 4th round pick for him..Which was obviously a steal.

I am not saying this was a bad idea for the Redskins but sometime they have to stop giving away all their picks. I am not saying this was a bad idea of a trade.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 06:39 PM

I am not saying this was a bad idea for the Redskins but sometime they have to stop giving away all their picks. I am not saying this was a bad idea of a trade.

And I would agree with you about us not trading away anymore picks, but you have to consider it when you have a chance to get a player like Chad Johnson.

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 06:41 PM

But also do you really want a guy who seems like cancer?

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 07:01 PM

But also do you really want a guy who seems like cancer?

He just wants out of Cincinnati..This is the first time he's done anything like this in his career.

Im sure he would be happy with a new team..Hopefully the Redskins!:D

sportsnut2006

04-22-2008, 07:04 PM

He just wants out of Cincinnati..This is the first time he's done anything like this in his career.

Im sure he would be happy with a new team..Hopefully the Redskins!:D

I dont know Johnson just seems to me a me player. He is always trying to show off. The yelling at Palmer last year.

GOSKINS_08

04-22-2008, 07:05 PM

I dont know Johnson just seems to me a me player. He is always trying to show off. The yelling at Palmer last year.

Oh well..You take the great play with that..But if he does get traded, I think he'll be happy, wherever it is.

YlhandlZ

04-22-2008, 07:58 PM

I really dont understand why the Bengals would rather keep Johnson then give him up for what could be 2 1st round picks? Then they could use 2 1st round picks this year on D and then 2 next year on D depending on how Johnson performs. They are fools.Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who gives into the FOOL? Chad's a child and Marvin's the man. Let Chad whine about everything that's wrong with the Bengals. Let him beg to be traded to a "contender" (dude was begging to be traded to Oakland for crissakes...and he says he wants to be a winner :rolleyes:) But whatever Marv does, he shouldn't give into this punk. 85's much better off riding the pine, then being a headache on the field in Cincy or on any other team. Those picks don't mean a damn thing (whether rumor or real) if you're just sending the message to your rookies and your entire team that b*** and whining will get you your way.

85bengals

04-23-2008, 06:51 AM

Would Bungles fans consider the moment before Kimo got rolled into Carson Palmer as the high point in the last 20 years? Its been all downhill since there. They must really hate the Steelers.

You are correct, we HATE the Steelers. I have always hated them but hate them more now than ever! The cheap shot on Carson was not the only cheap shot a Steeler has taken and will not be the last. The Steelers made a huge mistake this year by giving Ben the big contract and not giving him a line, good luck this year you will suck! Here is another tidbit for you Steeler fans, Ben is not very good, he is a product of the system and without his line you will see. I watched him at Miami (OH) for 3 years, trust me I have seen his bad decision making when he is under pressure!

85bengals

04-23-2008, 06:53 AM

Who's more foolish, the fool or the fool who gives into the FOOL? Chad's a child and Marvin's the man. Let Chad whine about everything that's wrong with the Bengals. Let him beg to be traded to a "contender" (dude was begging to be traded to Oakland for crissakes...and he says he wants to be a winner :rolleyes:) But whatever Marv does, he shouldn't give into this punk. 85's much better off riding the pine, then being a headache on the field in Cincy or on any other team. Those picks don't mean a damn thing (whether rumor or real) if you're just sending the message to your rookies and your entire team that b*** and whining will get you your way.

Marvin said yesterday to the Cincy media, "I think Chad is a man of his word, I think he should sit out" I really hope the Bengals stick to this, play for us or don't play at all attitude.