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bigassbuzz
06-25-2008, 08:59 AM
How much do I LOATHE my corrupt thieving government?
Read below. Our little hobby will soon be nothing more than another set of shackles to wear in honor of our Bilderberg Banker OWNERS.
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eBay Responds to Privacy Busting Payment Legislation
Bill would force retailers to report every transaction to federal government

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Tuesday, June 24, 2008

The global online auction giant eBay has responded to a frightening piece of legislation that will force retailers to report every transaction to the federal government, warning that it will "negatively impact individual Internet users, the growth of small businesses, and entrepreneurial and economic empowerment.."

The provision is hidden in Senator Christopher Dodd's 630-page Senate housing legislation and according to the Freedom Works organization "affects the privacy and operation of nearly all of America’s small businesses," because it "would require the nation's payment systems to track, aggregate, and report information on nearly every electronic transaction to the federal government.."

The creation of such a gargantuan database of individual transactions would be wide open to abuse and fraud and is a complete violation of the fourth amendment..

"This bill reduces privacy across America's payment processing systems and treats every American small business or eBay power seller like a criminal on parole by requiring an unprecedented level of reporting to the federal government," announced Freedom Works..

The HR 3221 provision reads as follows..

Payment Card and Third Party Network Information Reporting. The proposal requires information reporting on payment card and third party network transactions. Payment settlement entities, including merchant acquiring banks and third party settlement organizations, or third party payment facilitators acting on their behalf, will be required to report the annual gross amount of reportable transactions to the IRS and to the participating payee. Reportable transactions include any payment card transaction and any third party network transaction. Participating payees include persons who accept a payment card as payment and third party networks who accept payment from a third party settlement organization in settlement of transactions..

A payment card means any card issued pursuant to an agreement or arrangement which provides for standards and mechanisms for settling the transactions. Use of an account number or other indicia associated with a payment card will be treated in the same manner as a payment card. A de minimis exception for transactions of $10,000 or less and 200 transactions or less applies to payments by third party settlement organizations. The proposal applies to returns for calendar years beginning after December 31, 2010. Back-up withholding provisions apply to amounts paid after December 31, 2011. This proposal is estimated to raise $9.802 billion over ten years..

Some have pointed out that the "exception" appears to negate the inclusion of transactions under $10,000 but judging by eBay's response this is not the case..

eBay spokesperson Kim Rubey issued the following statement in response to the proposed legislation..

We believe that IRS proposals to collect additional information about electronic payments, including the "merchant card reporting" provision recently attached to legislation being considered in the House and Senate, should be crafted in a manner that does not discriminate between payments models and should not burden the smallest entrepreneurs with new tax compliance demands, nor inappropriately raise reporting requirements on persons who are not merchants..

We are actively conveying our views to congressional leaders so that legislation does not overreach and negatively impact individual Internet users, the growth of small businesses, and entrepreneurial and economic empowerment..

We join together with other activist groups in urging anyone who cares about the privacy of their transactions as well as a retailer's right to not have the government sifting through their business records to call Congress and tell them to oppose the eBay reporting provision in the Housing Bill. Call 1-866-928-3035..

CustomCreator
06-25-2008, 09:07 AM
MONEY MONEY MONEY

I am sick of it!!

Good thing I am slowly getting out of figures. :(

Undeadplastic
06-25-2008, 09:15 AM
I'm actually going to call and oppose that B.S.

Joerhyno
06-25-2008, 09:28 AM
MONEY MONEY MONEY

I am sick of it!!

Good thing I am slowly getting out of figures. :(


Um... are you gonna get out of buying EVERYTHING and ANYTHING? cause from the sound of that BS it's not just "figures" ;)

Mr. Wiggity Man
06-25-2008, 09:31 AM
Ugh, I usually don't mind reading long posts but I'm too tired, my eyes burn. Somebody call me and read it to me!

Addicted 2 Collecting
06-25-2008, 09:33 AM
Ugh, I usually don't mind reading long posts but I'm too tired, my eyes burn. Somebody call me and read it to me!

Right, or break it down to a couple sentences on what this means.

Durstlimpbizkit
06-25-2008, 09:34 AM
All it is about is legislation that will make ebay vendors report every transaction they make, all I'm going to say is the people we put in the chairs in Washington are biting us in the butt for giving them a job it seems.

Dark Leonhart
06-25-2008, 09:38 AM
****ing *******s

Addicted 2 Collecting
06-25-2008, 09:40 AM
All it is about is legislation that will make ebay vendors report every transaction they make, all I'm going to say is the people we put in the chairs in Washington are biting us in the butt for giving them a job it seems.

OK, so the ebay sellers are affected. It still sux big time.

Peter Hoffman
06-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Why shouldn't people making buttloads on eBay have to pay income tax on it?

People are running companies through eBay and are basically living income tax free.

Spawnomite
06-25-2008, 10:29 AM
More governmental BS as usual.

And he's a Democratic from Connecticut, that explains it. :(

Holeman
06-25-2008, 10:37 AM
Why shouldn't people making buttloads on eBay have to pay income tax on it?

People are running companies through eBay and are basically living income tax free.

We already do pay ****ing income taxes on it.

I don't think this bill is going to pass and even if it does it'll become another weird ass piece of legislation that no one pays any attention to. It would take them years to set up the database and then form an agency to police it. I personally don't see it happening, because it's too huge a task, the paperwork involved would literally be bigger than the amount of paperwork the IRS handles, the legislation is vague and poorly written and I just can't see creating an agency that size any time soon in the last year of a dying administration.

bigassbuzz
06-25-2008, 10:56 AM
Why shouldn't people making buttloads on eBay have to pay income tax on it?

People are running companies through eBay and are basically living income tax free.

Sorry you pay 50% taxes, Canada.

We Americans have a historical precedent for saying **** YOU to the tax man. (See the American Revolution and the first big EFF YOU to the original King George)

This film helps explain the DECEPTION that was played upon my country back in 1913.
America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&ei=EXhiSIicL5_I-wGc3dCiAg

America was a prosperous nation for over 100 years with NO INCOME TAX. Sales tax, property tax, etc etc etc paid for it all.

Listen to RON PAUL.

FACEBOX
06-25-2008, 10:58 AM
To EBAY-JAPAN I go!

Uwe
06-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Sorry you pay 50% taxes, Canada.

We Americans have a historical precedent for saying **** YOU to the tax man. (See the American Revolution and the first big EFF YOU to the original King George)

This film helps explain the DECEPTION that was played upon my country back in 1913.
America: Freedom to Fascism
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&q=freedom+to+fascism&ei=EXhiSIicL5_I-wGc3dCiAg

America was a prosperous nation for over 100 years with NO INCOME TAX. Sales tax, property tax, etc etc etc paid for it all.

Listen to BOB DOLE.
I love his fruit!

bigassbuzz
06-25-2008, 12:00 PM
Bob Dole?

I know it's HARD to actually READ,
or research the political ideas of RON PAUL, but this is kinda sad.

Just watch FOX News and believe whatever you are fed.
The INSERTION will hurt much less when they bend you over.

Good times they aren't a comin.

Bender
06-25-2008, 12:01 PM
that sucks bigtime, wont be selling there anymore then

316what
06-25-2008, 12:48 PM
OK, so the ebay sellers are affected. It still sux big time.

Not just Ebay sellers. This would also apply to anyone accepting Paypal payments, whether on Ebay or not.

Why shouldn't people making buttloads on eBay have to pay income tax on it?

People are running companies through eBay and are basically living income tax free.

I agree that the power sellers who are making 10's of thousands of dollars should pay an income tax for their business just like the rest of us working stiffs. However, I don't agree on having to pay income tax on the sale of a handful of figures I sell here on this board.

316what
06-25-2008, 12:50 PM
that sucks bigtime, wont be selling there anymore then

It won't be solely Ebay sales. It will be ALL online electronic transactions, such as the B/S/T board here if you use Paypal or any other electronic money transfer system.

The reason Ebay is mentioned and fighting the legislation is because they are the face of online businesses for the most part.

sSHADOWw
06-25-2008, 12:52 PM
Our government sure spends its money on stupid stuff, now we must pay for stupid decisions.

Matches Malone
06-25-2008, 12:52 PM
One word for ya.... Craigslist!

Monstrous Hierophant
06-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Oh, for ****s sake. Those dumb Governmental Bastards are still at it?

bborst
06-25-2008, 01:01 PM
Oh, for ****s sake. Those dumb Governmental Bastards are still at it?
Any way that the U.S. government can get itself one step closer to controlling the internet is what they want. And having anyone who receives an electronic payment is just one more brick in the wall.

Wow, that sounds corny, but true.

BiBLE
06-25-2008, 01:35 PM
I am sure this will be about as legit as charging the price of a postage stamp for every email sent that had many people worked up.

j97e
06-25-2008, 04:36 PM
Mother ****ers!

Masked Moron
06-25-2008, 05:01 PM
Not just Ebay sellers. This would also apply to anyone accepting Paypal payments, whether on Ebay or not.

1 more reason not to use paypal.....

I agree that the power sellers who are making 10's of thousands of dollars should pay an income tax for their business just like the rest of us working stiffs. However, I don't agree on having to pay income tax on the sale of a handful of figures I sell here on this board.

As said earlier... whatever it is they're selling, they had to have purchased orriginally, so the tax has already been payed on it.

bonedust
06-25-2008, 05:10 PM
Why shouldn't people making buttloads on eBay have to pay income tax on it?

People are running companies through eBay and are basically living income tax free.

BINGO!!!

eBay has been a major loophole in the small buisness income system since day 1. ANYBODY who didnt think this was coming is absolutely kidding themselves.

rejoice people, scalpers around the globe just got crapped on!!!! on wait, i forgot where i was posting...SORRY ABOUT THEM TAXING THE RESALE OF UR HAUL!!!

bonedust
06-25-2008, 05:11 PM
1 more reason not to use paypal.....



As said earlier... whatever it is they're selling, they had to have purchased orriginally, so the tax has already been payed on it.

yes and only if the original buyer purchased under a legal vendors license with a tax ID....in the US at least.

bigassbuzz
06-25-2008, 05:17 PM
rejoice people, scalpers around the globe just got crapped on!!!! on wait, i forgot where i was posting...SORRY ABOUT THEM TAXING THE RESALE OF UR HAUL!!!


adds "convenience fee" to all future Bonedust purchases.
;)

Masked Moron
06-25-2008, 05:19 PM
I wonder if the US will ammend this to include yard sales as well.... :rolleyes:

BiBLE
06-25-2008, 05:40 PM
LOL

Holeman
06-25-2008, 06:01 PM
The easy way around this would be to only accept money orders.

Parler
06-25-2008, 06:35 PM
I got a kick out of reading that.

bonedust
06-25-2008, 07:05 PM
I wonder if the US will ammend this to include yard sales as well.... :rolleyes:

North Carolina already requires a permit for a resident to have a yard sale for this very reason....

so no. its already in effect.

bonedust
06-25-2008, 07:08 PM
The easy way around this would be to only accept money orders.

not really. they will monitor ebay accounts like they monitor every buisness. just because someone pays cash doesnt make it tax free.

Holeman
06-25-2008, 07:10 PM
not really. they will monitor ebay accounts like they monitor every buisness. just because someone pays cash doesnt make it tax free.

I just don't think it's enforceable on a nationwide scale. Not for quite some time anyway.

bonedust
06-25-2008, 07:13 PM
i agree, but its coming.

SoulRedeemer
06-25-2008, 07:17 PM
Not surprised or angry about hearing about this.

Uwe
06-25-2008, 07:21 PM
Bob Dole?

I know it's HARD to actually READ,
or research the political ideas of RON PAUL, but this is kinda sad.

Just watch FOX News and believe whatever you are fed.
The INSERTION will hurt much less when they bend you over.

Good times they aren't a comin.
Woah.

Get. This. ****.

Whenever I type RON PAUL...holy moley, see that? It gets all cappy on me! Here I'll do it again.

RON PAUL.

Now let's see what happens when I put BOB DOLE next to it.

RON PAUL. BOB DOLE.

RON PAUL! BOB DOLE!

RON PAUL!! BOB DOLE!!!

RON PAUL!!!?! BOB DOLE!!!!!?!?!?

ROOOOOOOOOOON PAAAAAAUL!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOOOOB DOOOOOOOOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ROOOOOOOOON PAAAAAAAAAAAAAUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOB DOOOOOOOOOLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LIGHTNING!!!

RON PAUL JESUS CHRIST. BOB DOLE

And that, children, is how politics works.

bigassbuzz
06-25-2008, 07:44 PM
I'll take an eighth of whatever yer smokin

Uwe
06-25-2008, 07:47 PM
You sure you don't want a bigger slice of ham?

Alkatrazzz
06-25-2008, 07:58 PM
man that's disgusting... GREED!, that's all it is.. just a sign of the times...

Parler
06-25-2008, 08:00 PM
I'll take an eighth of whatever yer smokin

LMAO!

stshammgod
06-25-2008, 08:28 PM
MONEY MONEY MONEY

I am sick of it!!

Good thing I am slowly getting out of figures. :(

Capitalism at its' finest.

SlayKnotV1
06-25-2008, 08:47 PM
Am i reading this right that this isn't taking effect till Dec 31 2010?


Originally Posted by Masked Moron http://board.spawn.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
I wonder if the US will ammend this to include yard sales as well....http://board.spawn.com/forums/images/smilies/rolleyes.gif

They require a permit for yard sales in N.J

Liquid Identity
06-25-2008, 09:14 PM
It mainly hurts online businesses accepting PayPal payments.
The private seller who has less than 200 transactions or $10,000in received funds won't be affected. Big volume businesses who are bypassing current, outdated tax laws via third-party payments are just going to have to suck it up and play ball with B&M retail.
This kind of thing has been in the works for years and if this doesn't pass, it will continue to raise it's ugly head again and again.
The government wants to tax it, and is willing to stamp out a few internet businesses in the process. The rest will just see reduced profits and/or increase prices.