View Full Version : OT: Call of Duty Liscense Announced.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 10:48 AM
Didn't find pics yet but there's a banner on the front page. Another bad idea and money wasted that should go to SPs.
PrimeBane
07-03-2008, 10:51 AM
To be fair, SP sales are down and video game sales are through the roof... TMP is just following the $$$, especially since the in house lines aren't selling as well as they'd hoped.
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 10:52 AM
I am totally hooked on the game. Not sure I'd buy these, but we'll have to see.
Without seeing pics yet, I guess it's hard to imagine figures for a 1st person shooter game. (I guess you can, since you can see the enemy).
I'm intrigued. Still need more info though
timbug_runtmc
07-03-2008, 10:52 AM
I just hope this over-extending by TMP doesn't cost them down the road, would hate to lose the Sportspick line, really would...
Tanner2126
07-03-2008, 10:52 AM
i was hoping for some new movie or music figures.
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 10:53 AM
Pus call me crazy, but doesn't think line overlap with the military series, in a way. (A little bit?)
Raven Maniac (aka TJ87)
07-03-2008, 11:01 AM
Pus call me crazy, but doesn't think line overlap with the military series, in a way. (A little bit?)
Yeah, but it won't take much tweaking to convert them to Call of Duty figures.
TastySweetNutz
07-03-2008, 11:04 AM
I hope series one includes a spawn camper.
quiggle
07-03-2008, 11:05 AM
at least this is something a notch higher and better than the Zodiac series
Selfish Burrito
07-03-2008, 11:08 AM
Love the game, but can't say I would ever consider buying a figure. That said, theres a good chance all those 13 year olds that destroy me on COD might buy one.
ogrjmj
07-03-2008, 11:10 AM
take a note from starbucks tmp. quit trying to expand too fast,it's what got you in trouble in the first place,for every halo line thats a hit you have 10 lines that are flops,i can't see how you guys think thats good business sense.who is in charge of r&d ? oh thats right,it's the corporate suits and retail chains..lol.
Zombie Spawn
07-03-2008, 11:10 AM
some pics over here
http://board.spawn.com/forums/showthread.php?t=462456
they look good
rxsheepxr
07-03-2008, 11:12 AM
Just for those who might not have been following the CoD toy story, they started as an in-house WW2 line, but TMP ultimately decided to persue the license and modified the line to fit the CoD scheme. So the line would have come out either with or without the CoD name attached. So nothing lost at this point.
That's been my understanding, at least, since the toys were shown at a con months ago with no Call of Duty name attached. Unless I've been grossly misinformed.
At any rate, the toys don't look much different than they did way back then, which is a good thing, because they look great. Adding the CoD name just opens it up a little more to that type of collector.
Noleman
07-03-2008, 11:14 AM
Okay so why do they need the license? Is the only difference going to be packaging? Or are there actual characters that are being made? Forgive me as I am not all that familiar with the actual game.
rxsheepxr
07-03-2008, 11:18 AM
So far they're just generic WW2 toys, and only Call of Duty in branding. I was hoping there would be specific chartacters at some point, like the British Officer Price, but so far, nada.
In the meantime, they look nice, and as a WW2 buff, I'm pretty interested, CoD License or not.
jweber26
07-03-2008, 11:29 AM
Cooler than I thought. Pretty niche, but could do well. I think these would sell better at a hobby shop than a TRU.
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 11:30 AM
The first series of these high detail figures, pulled directly from the screens of Call of Duty: World at War will consist of four battle-hardened men:
Marine Infantry, Battle of Peleliu - Includes M1 Garand rifle and M1 bayonet
Marine Corps with Flamethrower, Battle of Peleliu - Includes M2-2 flamethrower with removable flame, and M1911A1 pistol & holster
Marine Corps with Machine Gun, Battle of Okinawa - Includes M-1928A1 machine gun w/20 round magazine and M1911A1 pistol & holster
British Special Ops, Battle for the Roer Triangle - Includes Mark II Sten gun
The line is expected to hit store shelves in the fall, and retail for around $10-15
http://cdn1.gamepro.com/article_img/gamepro/197148-1.jpg
Smbdyfnkillme
07-03-2008, 11:33 AM
These are much better than those Guitar Hero figures. I could actually see these being a success.
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 11:33 AM
http://kotaku.com/assets/images/kotaku/2008/07/okinawa.JPG
quiggle
07-03-2008, 11:34 AM
The first series of these high detail figures, pulled directly from the screens of Call of Duty: World at War will consist of four battle-hardened men:
Marine Infantry, Battle of Peleliu - Includes M1 Garand rifle and M1 bayonet
Marine Corps with Flamethrower, Battle of Peleliu - Includes M2-2 flamethrower with removable flame, and M1911A1 pistol & holster
Marine Corps with Machine Gun, Battle of Okinawa - Includes M-1928A1 machine gun w/20 round magazine and M1911A1 pistol & holster
British Special Ops, Battle for the Roer Triangle - Includes Mark II Sten gun
The line is expected to hit store shelves in the fall, and retail for around $10-15
love the blood on that knife!! :D
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 11:36 AM
Marine Infantry
http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/886/886044/call-of-duty-world-at-war-mcfarlane-toys-20080703100307797.jpg
Irish_Flyers
07-03-2008, 11:40 AM
Haven't been able to find the news and picture on MTV News yet for the last picture.
Smbdyfnkillme
07-03-2008, 11:43 AM
MTV picture:
http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/p_pt_cod_british_spec_ops_01_page_1-1.jpg
Avatar_of_Chaos
07-03-2008, 11:48 AM
take a note from starbucks tmp. quit trying to expand too fast,it's what got you in trouble in the first place,for every halo line thats a hit you have 10 lines that are flops,i can't see how you guys think thats good business sense.who is in charge of r&d ? oh thats right,it's the corporate suits and retail chains..lol.
Let's talk good business sense. It doesn't have to be a Sportspick to be a solid fit for their business. You've got an existing product line that's exceeded the average number of series that would be considered a success and a natural opportunity to apply the same formula to another era (Modern Military to WWII) because you've got the skills and expertise to take that opportunity. You were also already planning on WWII figures and had a good deal into the design phase on it, including multiple prototype which could be tweaked for a fit rather than completely resculpted from scratch.
You've got a decent contingent of people who are WWII collectors, a decent contingent that are Military collectors in general and a lot of people who play and enjoy Call of Duty games and who have been looking for them since Plan B tried and failed years ago because they couldn't get them into stores. It's not exactly like the Plan B Call of Duty figures sat on the shelves, plus the whole recall of the Nazi soldier because of the complaints from Canada didn't help them.
You've obviously got toy buyers who want them and want to stock them at retail. It's a major video game franchise, so that name carries weight. You can use the Call of Duty name to plug some of your existing sculpts into. You've got a Call of Duty game coming out that these fit in with. You've got a retail environment which has spit your in-house efforts back at you but likely was interested enough in continuing the Military line that the Call of Duty name allows you to get into a few places who might have passed otherwise. By having Call of Duty you can now also naturally move into other soldiers from other countries. You can now make the Allied powers and possibly some Axis rather than just the Americans. You can now potentially gain a buy-in with the international market that you didn't have before.
If the Call of Duty license includes rights to Modern Warfare then you can go back and revisit the modern designs with some slight tweaks, but you've already got a plethora of weapons, bases, equipment and even some bodies that you don't have to worry about resculpting. You've also already got a lot of the steel tooling for those, greating reducing the cost impact if you decided to reuse them.
Now there's a ton of reasons that you shouldn't do this and I think you'll hit them throughout the life of this thread, but I think it should be obvious first and foremost that SP's are not the be-all-end-all of this company and even if they are the most successful product line it's not exactly like they've got the power they used to. IMO, it's better to seek alternatives and put together a solid portfolio of products and take a few chances rather than sit and wait and put all my hopes and dreams on the back of SP's.
I can almost guarantee that many of the same SP fans who don't agree with going for Halo and Call of Duty are the same ones who likely wouldn't have agreed with going after the Aliens, Predator or Terminator 2 licenses and all 3 of those were very successful even if they didn't have the lasting power to produce 2 dozen figures. If they weren't that popular then TMP wouldn't have ever dreamed of trying their hands at the AvP and T3 licenses. The fact is that this company existed before Sportspicks and now we're all stuck with each other.
Chevy Man 22
07-03-2008, 11:53 AM
Let's talk good business sense. It doesn't have to be a Sportspick to be a solid fit for their business. You've got an existing product line that's exceeded the average number of series that would be considered a success and a natural opportunity to apply the same formula to another era (Modern Military to WWII) because you've got the skills and expertise to take that opportunity. You were also already planning on WWII figures and had a good deal into the design phase on it, including multiple prototype which could be tweaked for a fit rather than completely resculpted from scratch.
You've got a decent contingent of people who are WWII collectors, a decent contingent that are Military collectors in general and a lot of people who play and enjoy Call of Duty games and who have been looking for them since Plan B tried and failed years ago because they couldn't get them into stores. It's not exactly like the Plan B Call of Duty figures sat on the shelves, plus the whole recall of the Nazi soldier because of the complaints from Canada didn't help them.
You've obviously got toy buyers who want them and want to stock them at retail. It's a major video game franchise, so that name carries weight. You can use the Call of Duty name to plug some of your existing sculpts into. You've got a Call of Duty game coming out that these fit in with. You've got a retail environment which has spit your in-house efforts back at you but likely was interested enough in continuing the Military line that the Call of Duty name allows you to get into a few places who might have passed otherwise. By having Call of Duty you can now also naturally move into other soldiers from other countries. You can now make the Allied powers and possibly some Axis rather than just the Americans. You can now potentially gain a buy-in with the international market that you didn't have before.
If the Call of Duty license includes rights to Modern Warfare then you can go back and revisit the modern designs with some slight tweaks, but you've already got a plethora of weapons, bases, equipment and even some bodies that you don't have to worry about resculpting. You've also already got a lot of the steel tooling for those, greating reducing the cost impact if you decided to reuse them.
Now there's a ton of reasons that you shouldn't do this and I think you'll hit them throughout the life of this thread, but I think it should be obvious first and foremost that SP's are not the be-all-end-all of this company and even if they are the most successful product line it's not exactly like they've got the power they used to. IMO, it's better to seek alternatives and put together a solid portfolio of products and take a few chances rather than sit and wait and put all my hopes and dreams on the back of SP's.
I can almost guarantee that many of the same SP fans who don't agree with going for Halo and Call of Duty are the same ones who likely wouldn't have agreed with going after the Aliens, Predator or Terminator 2 licenses and all 3 of those were very successful even if they didn't have the lasting power to produce 2 dozen figures. If they weren't that popular then TMP wouldn't have ever dreamed of trying their hands at the AvP and T3 licenses. The fact is that this company existed before Sportspicks and now we're all stuck with each other.
Well said :)
Voodoo Chylde
07-03-2008, 12:02 PM
I can assure you with the aging population, these things are going to FLY off the shelves! WWII vets are known to be a part of America's Greatest Generation and a lot of the people with the most disposable income at the moment are the children of those vets. Movies like Flags of Our Fathers, Letters from Iwo Jima, and games like CoD are going to help boost sales of this and toys like them.
I just set up a computer from my dad-in-law's friend. Email, home office use, surfing the net? Nope. He saw a commercial for CoD and wanted to play it.
ogrjmj
07-03-2008, 12:03 PM
Let's talk good business sense. It doesn't have to be a Sportspick to be a solid fit for their business. You've got an existing product line that's exceeded the average number of series that would be considered a success and a natural opportunity to apply the same formula to another era (Modern Military to WWII) because you've got the skills and expertise to take that opportunity. You were also already planning on WWII figures and had a good deal into the design phase on it, including multiple prototype which could be tweaked for a fit rather than completely resculpted from scratch.
You've got a decent contingent of people who are WWII collectors, a decent contingent that are Military collectors in general and a lot of people who play and enjoy Call of Duty games and who have been looking for them since Plan B tried and failed years ago because they couldn't get them into stores. It's not exactly like the Plan B Call of Duty figures sat on the shelves, plus the whole recall of the Nazi soldier because of the complaints from Canada didn't help them.
You've obviously got toy buyers who want them and want to stock them at retail. It's a major video game franchise, so that name carries weight. You can use the Call of Duty name to plug some of your existing sculpts into. You've got a Call of Duty game coming out that these fit in with. You've got a retail environment which has spit your in-house efforts back at you but likely was interested enough in continuing the Military line that the Call of Duty name allows you to get into a few places who might have passed otherwise. By having Call of Duty you can now also naturally move into other soldiers from other countries. You can now make the Allied powers and possibly some Axis rather than just the Americans. You can now potentially gain a buy-in with the international market that you didn't have before.
If the Call of Duty license includes rights to Modern Warfare then you can go back and revisit the modern designs with some slight tweaks, but you've already got a plethora of weapons, bases, equipment and even some bodies that you don't have to worry about resculpting. You've also already got a lot of the steel tooling for those, greating reducing the cost impact if you decided to reuse them.
Now there's a ton of reasons that you shouldn't do this and I think you'll hit them throughout the life of this thread, but I think it should be obvious first and foremost that SP's are not the be-all-end-all of this company and even if they are the most successful product line it's not exactly like they've got the power they used to. IMO, it's better to seek alternatives and put together a solid portfolio of products and take a few chances rather than sit and wait and put all my hopes and dreams on the back of SP's.
I can almost guarantee that many of the same SP fans who don't agree with going for Halo and Call of Duty are the same ones who likely wouldn't have agreed with going after the Aliens, Predator or Terminator 2 licenses and all 3 of those were very successful even if they didn't have the lasting power to produce 2 dozen figures. If they weren't that popular then TMP wouldn't have ever dreamed of trying their hands at the AvP and T3 licenses. The fact is that this company existed before Sportspicks and now we're all stuck with each other.
i agree,if it's a line that can be repainted etc...i never said sp's should be the only line,i just think tmp has really outproduced it's market. way too many questionable lines,lost,napolean dynamite,simpsons,zodiac,hanna barberra,24,etc,etc..not only do these lines take up time that could be spent doing more profitable lines,they take up valuable peg space,go into tru and all the mcfarlane figures are lumped together,no wonder stores are getting to have so much say in what tmp does. my post wasn't meant to bash this line per se,but to point out the fact that especially in this economy maybe they should scale back a little. besides,there are figure lines that are sure sales that they don't even pursue anymore,the music line for one.i owuld love more music figures,box sets etc...
rupy017
07-03-2008, 12:06 PM
To be fair, SP sales are down and video game sales are through the roof... TMP is just following the $$$, especially since the in house lines aren't selling as well as they'd hoped.
SP sales are down because EVERYONE is tired of getting the same STALE players and teams.
If they'd spend as much time on the SPs as they're going to have to for video game figures, maybe they'd come up with some new poses and realize there are more professional teams than these...
Yankees
Red Sox
Dodgers
Patriots
Cowboys
Giants
Jets
Lakers
and whatever Hockey teams they make OVER AND OVER.
Noleman
07-03-2008, 12:07 PM
I can assure you with the aging population, these things are going to FLY off the shelves! WWII vets are known to be a part of America's Greatest Generation and a lot of the people with the most disposable income at the moment are the children of those vets. Movies like Flags of Our Fathers, Letters from Iwo Jima, and games like CoD are going to help boost sales of this and toys like them.
I just set up a computer from my dad-in-law's friend. Email, home office use, surfing the net? Nope. He saw a commercial for CoD and wanted to play it.
"Since when did they change the meaning of for to from?"
"Well they sent out a letter about it but it said for Peter so you must have thought it was from you and... forget it, its just easier to call you stupid."
Sorry, Family Guy reference, just had to slip it in there.:D
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 12:09 PM
SP sales are down because EVERYONE is tired of getting the same STALE players and teams.
If they'd spend as much time on the SPs as they're going to have to for video game figures, maybe they'd come up with some new poses and realize there are more professional teams than these...
Yankees
Red Sox
Dodgers
Patriots
Cowboys
Giants
Jets
Lakers
and whatever Hockey teams they make OVER AND OVER.
Easy on the Giants and Jets. We don't belong in there. The Giants are only getting their 5th SP this year and all 5 are well deserved. Same goes for the Jets.
nathynwest
07-03-2008, 12:11 PM
I would like to see TMP do some MORE Metal Gear figs!!!!
Team Rocket
07-03-2008, 12:33 PM
SP sales are down because EVERYONE is tired of getting the same STALE players and teams.
If they'd spend as much time on the SPs as they're going to have to for video game figures, maybe they'd come up with some new poses and realize there are more professional teams than these...
Yankees
Red Sox
Dodgers
Patriots
Cowboys
Giants
Jets
Lakers
and whatever Hockey teams they make OVER AND OVER.
Hm? Ignoring the Steelers are we? Anyways, those teams sell well. They aren't getting stale, obviously, because they are still selling. Look at the new NBA series. Do you really think anyone else in there will outsell Kobe 5? Bibby, Conley, or Mason anyone? Look how many Lebrons they've made. Would you like to know why that is? Because Lebron is a great player that sells.
rupy017
07-03-2008, 12:45 PM
Hm? Ignoring the Steelers are we? Anyways, those teams sell well. They aren't getting stale, obviously, because they are still selling. Look at the new NBA series. Do you really think anyone else in there will outsell Kobe 5? Bibby, Conley, or Mason anyone? Look how many Lebrons they've made. Would you like to know why that is? Because Lebron is a great player that sells.
But, the world doesn't need anymore LeBron or Kobe figures for awhile.
There are plenty of other players that could and should be made.
I wasn't ignoring the Steelers, I just forgot them. Big Ben is a great example. He is already getting his 2nd figure while plenty of other players and teams go without one figure.
Terrell Owens has had, what? FIVE figures? 3 of them were re-paints. Maybe that's why SOooooo many T.O. Cowboys figures are still on the pegs.
But, after actually seeing the CoD figures, they look really cool. I'm sure there is some kind of market for them. Even though, the military figures take up pegs and shelf space at the local TRU.
As long as when these figures start sitting on shelves, stores don't stop getting SPs, then everything will be good.
SeattleMariners51445
07-03-2008, 12:48 PM
I kinda called this last week when after Guitar Hero I said it would be COD4. Well, I thought I was joking but it pretty much turned out to be right.
mikedanger
07-03-2008, 12:52 PM
i think this is a good idea...it's basically what they were already putting out in their military line but with a major video game name attached to it.
UFCFan
07-03-2008, 12:53 PM
Guitar Hero made no sense to me. This makes perfect sense to me. They were already producing the figures, and now, they get to take advantage of the popularity of the Call of Duty franchise and use it for branding purposes.
SeattleMariners51445
07-03-2008, 12:54 PM
I was skeptical but the Marine infantry with the M1 Garand looks SICK!!!
Avatar_of_Chaos
07-03-2008, 12:55 PM
But, after actually seeing the CoD figures, they look really cool. I'm sure there is some kind of market for them. Even though, the military figures take up pegs and shelf space at the local TRU.
As long as when these figures start sitting on shelves, stores don't stop getting SPs, then everything will be good.
TRU is actually doing something odd with the Military figures in a lot of stores. In 3 states and 4 major cities I've seen the same thing and it's Military figures sitting on the left side which deals with all non-SP McF and lumped together with the Zodiac, Bladehunters and Spawn (whatevers left of the old series plus the new stuff). Some of my buddies elsewhere have seen something very similar.
Then on the other side of the aisle, not the shelving units, next to what's left of the Golden Compass stuff is a whole section of nothing but SP's, probably 12 facings wide.
And that's not the wierd part, what's wierd is that when you go 3 aisles over to the GI-Joe and Military section, they've got 2 vertical facings of Military, but not in nearly the number as back in the other aisle.
And here's the wierd part, the 2nd Series of Redeployed either got rerun or they found a lot of them. I went from not being able to find a sniper observer for almost 2 years to not being able to get away from them.
rafprop
07-03-2008, 01:12 PM
i agree,if it's a line that can be repainted etc...i never said sp's should be the only line,i just think tmp has really outproduced it's market. way too many questionable lines,lost,napolean dynamite,simpsons,zodiac,hanna barberra,24,etc,etc..not only do these lines take up time that could be spent doing more profitable lines,they take up valuable peg space,go into tru and all the mcfarlane figures are lumped together,no wonder stores are getting to have so much say in what tmp does. my post wasn't meant to bash this line per se,but to point out the fact that especially in this economy maybe they should scale back a little. besides,there are figure lines that are sure sales that they don't even pursue anymore,the music line for one.i owuld love more music figures,box sets etc...
Your point that the unprofitable lines that up time that could be spent on more profitable lines is humorous. The problem is that noone knows for sure which lines will be profitable and which one won't be profitable. As board members, we get very limited info. All we see is limited sales data (what we hear on the board and what we see at the few local stores in our area). We have no idea on licensing or productions cost os different lines. Although I can guess that Napoleon Dynamite sold less than the last NBA Legends series, I have no idea if the Legends licensing costs were ten times as much as the Dynomite figures. Was it more profitable? I don't know.
A good company keeps making changes with the market, keeps trying new things and keeps trying to improve. Some ideas will work, some will fail. You just keep trying to get better. And, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it's a mistake.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 01:15 PM
But, the world doesn't need anymore LeBron or Kobe figures for awhile.
There are plenty of other players that could and should be made.
I wasn't ignoring the Steelers, I just forgot them. Big Ben is a great example. He is already getting his 2nd figure while plenty of other players and teams go without one figure.
Terrell Owens has had, what? FIVE figures? 3 of them were re-paints. Maybe that's why SOooooo many T.O. Cowboys figures are still on the pegs.
The thing with Kobe and Lebron is that the NBA forces TMP to make x amount of each team and until Gasol became a Laker, there wasn't a better selection for either team.
bearoh
07-03-2008, 01:28 PM
I don't play video game so I don't know what kind of characters in Call of Duty. are there any paratroopers like Band of Brothers? then I would buy one of them.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 01:30 PM
I don't play video game so I don't know what kind of characters in Call of Duty. are there any paratroopers like Band of Brothers? then I would buy one of them.
All 4 of them have photos in this thread. Short answer, no.
bearoh
07-03-2008, 01:32 PM
thanks! I meant in the video game so it could be released in future series of Call of Duty
..All 4 of them have photos in this thread. Short answer, no.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 01:33 PM
thanks! I meant in the future series of Call of Duty
..
I don't recall there being any in the first four. Not sure about the new one.
rupy017
07-03-2008, 01:43 PM
The thing with Kobe and Lebron is that the NBA forces TMP to make x amount of each team and until Gasol became a Laker, there wasn't a better selection for either team.
That's the BEST part. I wish every sport "forced" TMP to produce at least one player from every team over a 2 year period.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 01:48 PM
That's the BEST part. I wish every sport "forced" TMP to produce at least one player from every team over a 2 year period.
Me too. But like I said, there will be teams that only have one player that can be made and TMP will be forced to keep pumping out figures of him.
BlakChamber
07-03-2008, 02:04 PM
i agree,if it's a line that can be repainted etc...i never said sp's should be the only line,i just think tmp has really outproduced it's market. way too many questionable lines,lost,napolean dynamite,simpsons,zodiac,hanna barberra,24,etc,etc..not only do these lines take up time that could be spent doing more profitable lines,they take up valuable peg space,go into tru and all the mcfarlane figures are lumped together,no wonder stores are getting to have so much say in what tmp does. my post wasn't meant to bash this line per se,but to point out the fact that especially in this economy maybe they should scale back a little. besides,there are figure lines that are sure sales that they don't even pursue anymore,the music line for one.i owuld love more music figures,box sets etc...
We really have no idea what's profitable and what's not. TMP doesn't share those numbers with us.
Mark Weber
07-03-2008, 02:24 PM
Let's talk good business sense. It doesn't have to be a Sportspick to be a solid fit for their business. You've got an existing product line that's exceeded the average number of series that would be considered a success and a natural opportunity to apply the same formula to another era (Modern Military to WWII) because you've got the skills and expertise to take that opportunity. You were also already planning on WWII figures and had a good deal into the design phase on it, including multiple prototype which could be tweaked for a fit rather than completely resculpted from scratch.
You've got a decent contingent of people who are WWII collectors, a decent contingent that are Military collectors in general and a lot of people who play and enjoy Call of Duty games and who have been looking for them since Plan B tried and failed years ago because they couldn't get them into stores. It's not exactly like the Plan B Call of Duty figures sat on the shelves, plus the whole recall of the Nazi soldier because of the complaints from Canada didn't help them.
You've obviously got toy buyers who want them and want to stock them at retail. It's a major video game franchise, so that name carries weight. You can use the Call of Duty name to plug some of your existing sculpts into. You've got a Call of Duty game coming out that these fit in with. You've got a retail environment which has spit your in-house efforts back at you but likely was interested enough in continuing the Military line that the Call of Duty name allows you to get into a few places who might have passed otherwise. By having Call of Duty you can now also naturally move into other soldiers from other countries. You can now make the Allied powers and possibly some Axis rather than just the Americans. You can now potentially gain a buy-in with the international market that you didn't have before.
If the Call of Duty license includes rights to Modern Warfare then you can go back and revisit the modern designs with some slight tweaks, but you've already got a plethora of weapons, bases, equipment and even some bodies that you don't have to worry about resculpting. You've also already got a lot of the steel tooling for those, greating reducing the cost impact if you decided to reuse them.
Now there's a ton of reasons that you shouldn't do this and I think you'll hit them throughout the life of this thread, but I think it should be obvious first and foremost that SP's are not the be-all-end-all of this company and even if they are the most successful product line it's not exactly like they've got the power they used to. IMO, it's better to seek alternatives and put together a solid portfolio of products and take a few chances rather than sit and wait and put all my hopes and dreams on the back of SP's.
I can almost guarantee that many of the same SP fans who don't agree with going for Halo and Call of Duty are the same ones who likely wouldn't have agreed with going after the Aliens, Predator or Terminator 2 licenses and all 3 of those were very successful even if they didn't have the lasting power to produce 2 dozen figures. If they weren't that popular then TMP wouldn't have ever dreamed of trying their hands at the AvP and T3 licenses. The fact is that this company existed before Sportspicks and now we're all stuck with each other.
That's a very well-thought out and impressive post.
The_Kid
07-03-2008, 02:51 PM
I'm glad to see there's no Captain Price, that guy got pretty annoying.
Elias_Devil
07-03-2008, 02:53 PM
I'm glad to see there's no Captain Price, that guy got pretty annoying.
These aren't entirely based on the game.
Poochiesdead
07-03-2008, 03:02 PM
These aren't entirely based on the game.These aren't, but with the license I'm sure they can come up with some that are.
ogrjmj
07-03-2008, 03:31 PM
Your point that the unprofitable lines that up time that could be spent on more profitable lines is humorous. The problem is that noone knows for sure which lines will be profitable and which one won't be profitable. As board members, we get very limited info. All we see is limited sales data (what we hear on the board and what we see at the few local stores in our area). We have no idea on licensing or productions cost os different lines. Although I can guess that Napoleon Dynamite sold less than the last NBA Legends series, I have no idea if the Legends licensing costs were ten times as much as the Dynomite figures. Was it more profitable? I don't know.
A good company keeps making changes with the market, keeps trying new things and keeps trying to improve. Some ideas will work, some will fail. You just keep trying to get better. And, just because you don't agree, doesn't mean it's a mistake.
my point is sometimes it's obvious to most people what will sell and what wont,sure you have to take some chances but when you flood the market with a bunch of different lines which clog the pegs and slow the sales of already established lines it seems a little too much to me.i'm all for tmp trying to expand,but like i said before,sometimes you can overexpand your market.there are lines that need to be revived like the music line,i'm just saying,in my opinion,the efforts of tmp would be better spent on that then say hannah barberra figures,which i would think most people would have seen as a flop right off the bat,once again. just my opinion.
The_Kid
07-03-2008, 04:16 PM
If they ever got to Modern Warfare I'd love to be able to recreate sneaking up on someone and hitting them with a grenade launcher before it has the time to detonate.
Team Rocket
07-03-2008, 05:18 PM
my point is sometimes it's obvious to most people what will sell and what wont,sure you have to take some chances but when you flood the market with a bunch of different lines which clog the pegs and slow the sales of already established lines it seems a little too much to me.i'm all for tmp trying to expand,but like i said before,sometimes you can overexpand your market.there are lines that need to be revived like the music line,i'm just saying,in my opinion,the efforts of tmp would be better spent on that then say hannah barberra figures,which i would think most people would have seen as a flop right off the bat,once again. just my opinion.
You do realize a lot of the music figures obviously didn't sell, yes?
rafprop
07-03-2008, 05:18 PM
my point is sometimes it's obvious to most people what will sell and what wont,sure you have to take some chances but when you flood the market with a bunch of different lines which clog the pegs and slow the sales of already established lines it seems a little too much to me.i'm all for tmp trying to expand,but like i said before,sometimes you can overexpand your market.there are lines that need to be revived like the music line,i'm just saying,in my opinion,the efforts of tmp would be better spent on that then say hannah barberra figures,which i would think most people would have seen as a flop right off the bat,once again. just my opinion.
I guess you missed my point. You really don't know how succesful any of the lines are because you have no idea what the licensing costs were, how much the production
costs were, how much was produced and how much was sold. Even if TMP cancels a line, it may not be because it wasn't profitable. Maybe the license expired. Maybe the retailers didn't want to carry it. Maybe TMP got an opportunity to do another line that they feel will generate more profits. Obviously TMP has some lines that don't pan out as well as they'd like. But, you seem to think that it's easy to pick succesful lines when in reality, you have little to no knowledge as to how succesful any of the lines actually are.
ogrjmj
07-03-2008, 06:05 PM
I guess you missed my point. You really don't know how succesful any of the lines are because you have no idea what the licensing costs were, how much the production
costs were, how much was produced and how much was sold. Even if TMP cancels a line, it may not be because it wasn't profitable. Maybe the license expired. Maybe the retailers didn't want to carry it. Maybe TMP got an opportunity to do another line that they feel will generate more profits. Obviously TMP has some lines that don't pan out as well as they'd like. But, you seem to think that it's easy to pick succesful lines when in reality, you have little to no knowledge as to how succesful any of the lines actually are.
i get the point,i don't assume to know what type of profits they make form any one line,i just keep trying to say that overall i think tmp is overexpanding their total product lines, thats all. maybe i'm wrong,maybe i'm right. my guess is tmp is having financal problems because of it,like i said just my opinion.hopefully im wrong and tmp will have more peg space and record sales in the near future,then we can get better packaging again..lol
Durstlimpbizkit
07-03-2008, 10:04 PM
Well I wonder if this whole project will collapse in on itself.
ImessedwithTexas
07-03-2008, 10:33 PM
I'd rather see Wanted figures announced. I for one, wouldn't complain about a Fox 3, 4 or 5 figure.
jweber26
07-03-2008, 10:35 PM
I'm still digging the idea. I'm on board now. WWII figures are huge. Maybe not with the people on this board but they are huge. My wife was a designer for a major hobby magazine and this stuff is huge. If this product gets to the right location these will sell very well.
As far as paratroopers...yes. There were paratroopers in the COD titles. I believe COD 2 had you paratrooping into one of the levels. You don't watch him land or anything but you start the level next to your parachute on the ground. It could technically happen.
ChargerChris
07-03-2008, 10:36 PM
I am all about these figures. I was kinda bummed when the WWII line all of a sudden disappeared a few months ago. I have every military figure that TMP has produced and am very excited to see that the line will continue. Adding the COD brand will just try to attract the gamers, no big deal. Keep the military lines coming TMP!!!!
ChargerChris
07-03-2008, 10:38 PM
I don't play video game so I don't know what kind of characters in Call of Duty. are there any paratroopers like Band of Brothers? then I would buy one of them.
Military 7 has the Halo Jumper figure, which is incredible.
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