STEVE SMITH TO COWBOYS???

[nathynwest]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-2-22/Smith-to-the-Cowboys-.html

If there is any chance, all I have to say is....wow

:D<--- (me all season if it happens)

[mac21]

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-2-22/Smith-to-the-Cowboys-.html

If there is any chance, all I have to say is....wow

:D<--- (me all season if it happens)

Wow I doubt it but with it being in Mosley's Blog you never know:eek:

[nathynwest]

yea I doubt it as well, but it seems like the Panthers dont want to deal with his actions anymore.

[Elias_Devil]

May I ask how the hell are you guys under the cap and still have room for a player like steve smith?

[Chewdeezy]

Oh wow, he would be an excellent receiver next to Owens.

[ncblue79]

The first line tells you to stop reading right there.

Quote:
I have a call into my esteemed NFC South blog colleague Pat Yasinskas

[ihatephilly]

Well, I just talked to someone in Oxnard, Calif., site of Cowboys training training camp, and Smith's name has already come up in conversations. But something tells me we won't see this discussion on HBO's "Hard Knocks" on Wednesday.

Yeah because it never happened.

The Cowboys do not have the cap room to pull this off even it was true.

[nathynwest]

May I ask how the hell are you guys under the cap and still have room for a player like steve smith?

well I dont know what I can say, but I have noticed that the Cowboys sign players to long contracts like 6 or 7 years which makes it easy to spread the money out. We have also been cutting people or trading other for draft picks.

[Poochiesdead]

It won't happen. The Panthers are gonna ask for a king's ransom for him.

Guys, face it, we aren't getting Smith, we aren't getting Boldin, we aren't getting Chad, and we aren't getting Roy Williams. TO, Crayton, and Hurd are our recievers, and quite frankly I'm confident with that.

[nathynwest]

Yeah because it never happened.

The Cowboys do not have the cap room to pull this off even it was true.

they would if Smith would redo his contract. I mean Moss did when the Raiders let him go. So its possible.

[nathynwest]

It won't happen. The Panthers are gonna ask for a king's ransom for him.

Guys, face it, we aren't getting Smith, we aren't getting Boldin, we aren't getting Chad, and we aren't getting Roy Williams. TO, Crayton, and Hurd are our recievers, and quite frankly I'm confident with that.


I agree with you. I doubt it will happen. But it could happen if Jerry really wanted and if the Panthers really want him out.

[Hardcore Legend]

they would if Smith would redo his contract. I mean Moss did when the Raiders let him go. So its possible.

Except, Randy Moss was chasing a ring on a team that had a very good chance of winning one, not an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

[nathynwest]

Except, Randy Moss was chasing a ring on a team that had a very good chance of winning one, not an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

blah blah, The Panthers are going down...Cowboys are going up ^^^ Also the Panthers dont even know how there QB is going to do now after his injury and they dont want to be messing with the actions of steve smith. Now if Smith wants money then he wont be on the Cowboys radar. But if he wants a ring and changes his contract then why not?

[ihatephilly]

The Cowboys had to redo Hamlin's measly $4.5M franchise price to $2M just to free up space to sign draft picks. Mid July they were $10M under the cap w/ 6 draft picks unsigned.

[Hardcore Legend]

Don't you think that if Smith was available, teams that actually could afford him would have a better chance at getting him?

[nathynwest]

Don't you think that if Smith was available, teams that actually could afford him would have a better chance at getting him?

of course other teams would have a chance at getting him, I'm just saying that its possible for him to come to the cowboys. Will it happen, No. But it could.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

of course other teams would have a chance at getting him, I'm just saying that its possible for him to come to the cowboys. Will it happen, No. But it could.

Wow, that's some air tight logic right there.

[Poochiesdead]

Will it happen, No. But it could.Uh...oxymoron much? Like others have said, the Cowboys don't have the cap space to afford Steve Smith, and he doesn't seem like the type that would redo his deal for a chance at a ring...

[Rexy]

Eagles can afford him.

I don't get it. You have one elite receiver and you're grabbing at another one. The Cowboys are taking two pieces of cake instead of one. Teams like the Eagles need a piece of cake, or a receiver for that matter.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Uh...oxymoron much? Like others have said, the Cowboys don't have the cap space to afford Steve Smith, and he doesn't seem like the type that would redo his deal for a chance at a ring...

Why would anyone who wants a ring go to the Cowboys?

[Poochiesdead]

Eagles can afford him.

I don't get it. You have one elite receiver and you're grabbing at another one. The Cowboys are taking two pieces of cake instead of one. Teams like the Eagles need a piece of cake, or a receiver for that matter.You don't get it? Why would you not try to make your team better if you can? I'm pretty sure the Colts and Cardinals are plenty happy having two elite recievers rather than one (well, maybe not the Cardinals at the moment :p).

[Poochiesdead]

Why would anyone who wants a ring go to the Cowboys?Yea yea...:cool:

[nathynwest]

Uh...oxymoron much? Like others have said, the Cowboys don't have the cap space to afford Steve Smith, and he doesn't seem like the type that would redo his deal for a chance at a ring...

do we need to be literal on this website all the time. You know what I mean by the statement. Everyone is just shooting it down because it is not going to happen. But what I'm trying to say is it is possible for the cowboys to land him if they wanted. Everyone forgetting that we just release Glenn? who we had signed through the 2010 season? That gives them a little cap space. Also you honestly think the Panthers wont want some type of player in return??? Which coult possibly free up more cap space.

[nathynwest]

Eagles can afford him.

I don't get it. You have one elite receiver and you're grabbing at another one. The Cowboys are taking two pieces of cake instead of one. Teams like the Eagles need a piece of cake, or a receiver for that matter.

I believe the Eagles get a piece of cake but they dont know how to treat it. So it gets up a goes too someone who does.

[Poochiesdead]

do we need to be literal on this website all the time. You know what I mean by the statement. Everyone is just shooting it down because it is not going to happen. But what I'm trying to say is it is possible for the cowboys to land him if they wanted. Everyone forgetting that we just release Glenn? who we had signed through the 2010 season? That gives them a little cap space. Also you honestly think the Panthers wont want some type of player in return??? Which coult possibly free up more cap space.Terry Glenn doesn't make what Steve Smith makes. And no, I think they would just want picks. How often do player for player trades happen in the NFL? Not much.

[ihatephilly]

do we need to be literal on this website all the time. You know what I mean by the statement. Everyone is just shooting it down because it is not going to happen. But what I'm trying to say is it is possible for the cowboys to land him if they wanted. Everyone forgetting that we just release Glenn? who we had signed through the 2010 season? That gives them a little cap space. Also you honestly think the Panthers wont want some type of player in return??? Which coult possibly free up more cap space.

What are you going to trade a high priced player from a different position to get a another player at a position you are already stacked at. Doesn't make much sense.

Player for Player trades rarely happen in the NFL. Hardly ever one w/ High salary players like Smith. Carolina doesn't have a first round draft pick next season, so "IF" they were going to trade him,which they're not, thats most likely what they would want, at least.

[ihatephilly]

I believe the Eagles get a piece of cake but they dont know how to treat it. So it gets up a goes too someone who does.

Yeah and its gotten you so far giving him what he wants.

[CubbieColts]

Dallas Cowboys are the NFL version of the Yankees........tons of talent and salary and they both suck!!

[Buick GN]

Dallas Cowboys are the NFL version of the Yankees........tons of talent and salary and they both suck!!

How many World Championships do the Yanks and the Cowboys have?

A boatload more than the Cubs and Colts. :D

[nathynwest]

Yeah and its gotten you so far giving him what he wants.

its took us to the playoffs two years in a row and tied the best season record the cowboys had. We might have not won but its doing way better then we did you out him.

[ihatephilly]

its took us to the playoffs two years in a row and tied the best season record the cowboys had. We might have not won but its doing way better then we did you out him.

I didn't catch what you said on the last part. Good job making it to the playoffs w/TO. Nice job. And tied for best record. Impressive.

[nathynwest]

I didn't catch what you said on the last part. Good job making it to the playoffs w/TO. Nice job. And tied for best record. Impressive.

oh I meant, like we may have last both playoff games. But at least we have been getting to the playoffs and that the cowboys season records are getting better.

[CowboysFan79]

Not going to happen. The draft is over. Mosely is just a Boys homer wanting to cause a stir. Great trades never happen because media guys say they will.

Defense wins championships. Here's hoping the D steps up to the standard every Dallas fan is hoping for.

[Rexy]

I believe the Eagles get a piece of cake but they dont know how to treat it. So it gets up a goes too someone who does.

Don't you dare even say that. That was 100% T.O.'s fault, and he even admitted to it and apologized for it.

[nathynwest]

Don't you dare even say that. That was 100% T.O.'s fault, and he even admitted to it and apologized for it.

:p

[316what]

The scenario that is more likely to happen is this:

Javon Walker decides he IS going to retire and give his signing bonus back to the Raiders. The Raiders then use the signing bonus $$ and cap room to sign Steve Smith.:p

[nathynwest]

The scenario that is more likely to happen is this:

Javon Walker decides he IS going to retire and give his signing bonus back to the Raiders. The Raiders then use the signing bonus $$ and cap room to sign Steve Smith.:p

That would not surprise me.

[The Custom Review]

The scenario that is more likely to happen is this:

Javon Walker decides he IS going to retire and give his signing bonus back to the Raiders. The Raiders then use the signing bonus $$ and cap room to sign Steve Smith.:p
Except that Smith is under contract....

[sigep001]

Except, Randy Moss was chasing a ring on a team that had a very good chance of winning one, not an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

Yes, Vegas placed them as having the 2nd best odds to win the Super Bowl because in fact, they do NOT have a very good chance of winning one. Vegas is always tricky like that...swapping favorites for underdogs just to keep bettors on their toes!

Seeing as though almost the entire roster has turned over from 4 seasons ago, I don't see what your comment has to do with much of anything, but that's not too surprising considering the source.

[sigep001]

Obviously this trade isn't going to happen because I agree with whomever said the Panthers have more reasons to keep Smith than trade him, but since when does cap room keep NFL deals/trades from getting worked out.

Players restructure their contracts all the time (converting salary into bonus money) so that the cap hit is spread out over multiple years. It's not that hard to find cap room if you dig hard enough.

Still, Smith is a Panther...not really worth talking about.

[Hardcore Legend]

Yes, Vegas placed them as having the 2nd best odds to win the Super Bowl because in fact, they do NOT have a very good chance of winning one. Vegas is always tricky like that...swapping favorites for underdogs just to keep bettors on their toes!

Seeing as though almost the entire roster has turned over from 4 seasons ago, I don't see what your comment has to do with much of anything, but that's not too surprising considering the source.

Right, that's why you should compare a team with a puppet coach, a quarterback who folds like a cheap tent in a storm come playoff time and a defense prone to the big play to a franchise coming off of multiple Super Bowl victories, with a star QB who performs in clutch situations, a coach who (cheating or not) is a proven winner and a defense that has won them their fair share of games.

But no, Vegas says that this situation is EXACTLY like Randy Moss playing for the dynastic Pats.

[nathynwest]

Right, that's why you should compare a team with a puppet coach, a quarterback who folds like a cheap tent in a storm come playoff time and a defense prone to the big play to a franchise coming off of multiple Super Bowl victories, with a star QB who performs in clutch situations, a coach who (cheating or not) is a proven winner and a defense that has won them their fair share of games.

But no, Vegas says that this situation is EXACTLY like Randy Moss playing for the dynastic Pats.

he wasnt so clutch in that superbowl now was he?

[Elias_Devil]

he wasnt so clutch in that superbowl now was he?

You're starting to get a taste of what Giants fans had to take around this time last year. It will make a championship for you guys that much better when everyone is eating crow. :cool:

[Rexy]

Hey wait, we have the Panther's 1st Round pick. You think they'd want it back for Steve Smith?

Or they could trade him elsewhere, do worse, and give us an excellent 1st round pick to go with our 32nd overall next year. :D

[nathynwest]

You're starting to get a taste of what Giants fans had to take around this time last year. It will make a championship for you guys that much better when everyone is eating crow. :cool:

yea well I'm hoping that can happen this year. Just saw I wont have to hear about the choke job blah blah anymore.

[TheFigureFanatic]

Forget it. It will never happen. There's not enough balls to go around with Owens and Smith. It will never work.

[sigep001]

Right, that's why you should compare a team with a puppet coach, a quarterback who folds like a cheap tent in a storm come playoff time and a defense prone to the big play to a franchise coming off of multiple Super Bowl victories, with a star QB who performs in clutch situations, a coach who (cheating or not) is a proven winner and a defense that has won them their fair share of games.

But no, Vegas says that this situation is EXACTLY like Randy Moss playing for the dynastic Pats.

1. Who the hell cares about the coach? This team is too good for even Jim Zorn to screw up.
2. Romo the holder screwed up the 1st game. He's not the holder anymore. The 2nd playoff game was a team effort in choking (Crayton is the one who stands out in my mind for his drops and for quitting on his route running).
3. The defense was upgraded pretty significantly - healthy Greg Ellis, Zach Thomas over Akin Ayodele, Pacman Jones over Jacques Reeves, Michael Jenkins over Nate Jones, etc.

I wasn't saying anything about the Moss situation. I was saying that a Redskins fan acting like the Cowboys are in complete shambles doesn't surprise me. I was just pointing out that acting like the Cowboys are not the favorites in the NFC because some Cowboys teams over 5 years ago weren't successful in the playoffs is simply ******ed logic. Why stop at 12 years then? Only because it serves your purpose. If everyone (or anyone) on the Cowboys had been on all of those teams going back 12 years, it would make more sense.

[Hardcore Legend]

I wasn't saying anything about the Moss situation.

Then you weren't adding anything to the discussion.

[nathynwest]

Then you weren't adding anything to the discussion.

someone is to serious in this thread.

[Hardcore Legend]

someone is to serious in this thread.

I know, sigep001 takes the Cowboys chances way too seriously.

[Irish_Flyers]

Typical ESPN staffer, trying to drum up a story, out of another story, and all it really is, is nothing more than a bona fide rumor.

The guy's an ESPN BLOGGER for crying out loud. He's a NOBODY. But all people will remember is....."I just read on ESPN.com that the Cowboys are going after Steve Smith."

Chalk this up to yet ANOTHER reason why I hate ESPN.

[nathynwest]

I know, sigep001 takes the Cowboys chances way too seriously.

oh no, not a cowboy hater what ever will we do. Blah blah heard it all before. Romo chokes blah blah. How about watching a game and not highlights to see you actually loses half those games.

[sigep001]

Then you weren't adding anything to the discussion.

Oh because you are the model boardie that we all strive to be. :rolleyes:

Your MO is entirely too predictable. Any Cowboys thread? You're in it talking about how the Cowboys haven't won a playoff game in 12 years.

Any NL Central thread? You're in it trying to make mountains out of molehills.

[Hardcore Legend]

It was a joke. Sheesh. Cowboys fans are awfully touchy about not winning a playoff series since the first Clinton term.

[Addicted 2 Collecting]

Except, Randy Moss was chasing a ring on a team that had a very good chance of winning one, not an organization that hasn't won a playoff game in 12 years.

Yea they HAD a good chance, and CHOKED.

:D

[nathynwest]

It was a joke. Sheesh. Cowboys fans are awfully touchy about not winning a playoff series since the first Clinton term.

just wondering, what team do you go for?

[sigep001]

It was a joke. Sheesh. Cowboys fans are awfully touchy about not winning a playoff series since the first Clinton term.

Yeah, a playoff "series". Maybe we'll get lucky, and the Cowboys will win the World Series this year.

[Hardcore Legend]

Maybe. Then again, Romo will probably just pull another 'Lidge'.

[nathynwest]

Maybe. Then again, Romo will probably just pull another 'Lidge'.

so you dont go for a certain football team then?

[Hardcore Legend]

so you dont go for a certain football team then?
The Redskins.

[nathynwest]

The Redskins.

oh, enough said.

[Addicted 2 Collecting]

oh, enough said.

LOL

[Poochiesdead]

I love all the Romo chokes in the playoffs talk. He's 0-2. Can anyone tell me what Eli Manning's playoff record was before last year?

[SeattleMariners51445]

I agree with you. I doubt it will happen. But it could happen if Jerry really wanted and if the Panthers really want him out.
You keep saying you doubt it will happen but then you add another "but..." again.

[SeattleMariners51445]

Why would anyone who wants a ring go to the Cowboys?
Because their fans believe that they're the team on the rise EVERY YEAR.

[nathynwest]

You keep saying you doubt it will happen but then you add another "but..." again.

to clear that up like I have before. I personally dont think it will happen. It wont. But I'm also stating that it could happen in terms of the COWBOYS getting him if they wanted. They could make it happen with cap room and all that stuff. But I PERSONALLY dont think it will.

[SeattleMariners51445]

I believe the Eagles get a piece of cake but they dont know how to treat it. So it gets up a goes too someone who does.
What the hell are you talking about? Is it impossible for you to praise a team besides the Cowboys? It's like you think they're the greatest at everything and that's exactly why everybody hates Cowboys fans.

[SeattleMariners51445]

How many World Championships do the Yanks and the Cowboys have?
Since this is the only thing Cowboys fans bring up when they're stuck in a corner, we'll go this route. When's the last time both the Yankees and the Cowboys won a championship? Stop living in the past!

[nathynwest]

What the hell are you talking about? Is it impossible for you to praise a team besides the Cowboys? It's like you think they're the greatest at everything and that's exactly why everybody hates Cowboys fans.

dude all you do is come on here a ***** about the cowboys all the time. And I do talk about other teams and how good they are but you only look at the COWBOYS threads. What do you expect me to talk about? If you pay attention of could even remember I have even talked to you about the Seahawks and how JJ will make your running game better but you dont remember that crap because you just like bashing the cowboys all the time.

[SeattleMariners51445]

dude all you do is come on here a ***** about the cowboys all the time. And I do talk about other teams and how good they are but you only look at the COWBOYS threads. What do you expect me to talk about? If you pay attention of could even remember I have even talked to you about the Seahawks and how JJ will make your running game better but you dont remember that crap because you just like bashing the cowboys all the time.
I don't only look at Cowboys threads, I look at football threads and threads about players going to new teams and such. Considering that the majority of these threads seem to be about the Cowboys, then you have your answer. I NEVER bash the Cowboys, I bash their fans and it's for good reason. I hate how they think they're the best in the league year in and year out when they haven't done squat for 12 years! They talk smack about every team in the NFL and think the Cowboys could do no wrong. I know I'm not the only one who dislikes Cowboys fans on here, I just choose to speak my mind so you notice it more. I'm always up for intelligent football discussion but sometimes I just can't stomach speaking to a Patriots or Cowboys fan.

[Hardcore Legend]

I can attest to that. He loves to troll Redskins thread too.

:p

[Buick GN]

Since this is the only thing Cowboys fans bring up when they're stuck in a corner, we'll go this route. When's the last time both the Yankees and the Cowboys won a championship? Stop living in the past!

At least we have a past. :p

[SeattleMariners51445]

I can attest to that. He loves to troll Redskins thread too.
:p
Says the notorious Seahawks hater!;)

[SeattleMariners51445]

At least we have a past. :p
Good one.:rolleyes: You're right though, your franchise is what about three times as old as the Seahawks? I'm not even sure you know anything about the Cowboys anyways when all you do is post things like "We have more championships" in every thread.

[Addicted 2 Collecting]

Everyone has their opinions and their favorite teams. Who really gives 2 cents to what other people think about your favorite team.

Suppose to be adults here, yet you go back and forth like a couple of gradeshool kids talking about how my dad can beat up your dad.

grow up and stop wasting time bickering back and forth.

You like who you like, your going to back your team. deal with it and move on.

:rolleyes:

[SeattleMariners51445]

Back to the toy boards with you!:p

[Addicted 2 Collecting]

Back to the toy boards with you!:p

:D

[Buick GN]

Good one.:rolleyes: You're right though, your franchise is what about three times as old as the Seahawks? I'm not even sure you know anything about the Cowboys anyways when all you do is post things like "We have more championships" in every thread.

Your opinion and your posts are tiresome..go away child.

[nathynwest]

I don't only look at Cowboys threads, I look at football threads and threads about players going to new teams and such. Considering that the majority of these threads seem to be about the Cowboys, then you have your answer. I NEVER bash the Cowboys, I bash their fans and it's for good reason. I hate how they think they're the best in the league year in and year out when they haven't done squat for 12 years! They talk smack about every team in the NFL and think the Cowboys could do no wrong. I know I'm not the only one who dislikes Cowboys fans on here, I just choose to speak my mind so you notice it more. I'm always up for intelligent football discussion but sometimes I just can't stomach speaking to a Patriots or Cowboys fan.

alright then dont start coming on here saying that I only talk about cowboys and no other teams. I hate how people just assume stuff because one person talks about one thing alot. So before you start bashing fans get the facts straight

[SeattleMariners51445]

Your opinion and your posts are tiresome..go away child.
Same to you, you're like a broken record: "The Cowboys have more championships in the past than the Giants, therefore they're the better team in '08."
"Cowboys are better, they have more rings!"
Oh and I'm a child now?:rolleyes:

[SeattleMariners51445]

alright then dont start coming on here saying that I only talk about cowboys and no other teams. I hate how people just assume stuff because one person talks about one thing alot. So before you start bashing fans get the facts straight
This isn't a Cowboys thread, it's a Steve Smith speculation thread;):p

[mikedanger]

this thread is getting tiresome...

[SeattleMariners51445]

this thread is getting tiresome...
Why are you reading it?

[SmartassBoiler]

In a word, No. The Panthers aren't stupid enough to trade Steve Smith. This is likely another result of rampant journalistic speculation and nothing more.

[nathynwest]

In a word, No. The Panthers aren't stupid enough to trade Steve Smith. This is likely another result of rampant journalistic speculation and nothing more.

I think that has already been set in stone in this thread, it is now a thread for cowboys haters to talk about the same ol' same ol'.

[mikedanger]

Why are you reading it?

just read the last page and that was enough...

[SeattleMariners51445]

I think that has already been set in stone in this thread, it is now a thread for cowboys haters to talk about the same ol' same ol'.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/Z-Train86/Misc/crybaby.jpg
:p

[nathynwest]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f154/Z-Train86/Misc/crybaby.jpg
:p

oh no, not a baby crying picture, man we have never seen that before. good one. If you going to use old tiresome stuff why not just use something like this.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x103/nathynwest88/25819DGSpeak-To-The-Hand-Posters.jpg


at least get creative with it.

[SeattleMariners51445]

I was joking and the "crying baby" picture isn't tiresome, it's a classic.

[nathynwest]

I was joking and the "crying baby" picture isn't tiresome, it's a classic.

not when everyone posts it. saw it all the time during the NBA finals.

[Poochiesdead]

I was joking and the "crying baby" picture isn't tiresome, it's a classic.The wahmbulance pic you posted yesterday is leaps and bounds better than the crying baby. :p

[SeattleMariners51445]

The wahmbulance pic you posted yesterday is leaps and bounds better than the crying baby. :p
I couldn't use it two days in a row, atleast one person would have said something about that.

[Ghost of AA62]

there is no way Dallas could buy Steve Smith. He won't restructure his asking price and Dallas would be over cap by adding the high profile receiver. Its possible Smith could be with a new team this season...if that being the case, Carolina will rank 32nd in total offense this season. But I doubt Smith leaves the Cats this season

[RickeyB]

Typical ESPN staffer, trying to drum up a story, out of another story, and all it really is, is nothing more than a bona fide rumor.

The guy's an ESPN BLOGGER for crying out loud. He's a NOBODY. But all people will remember is....."I just read on ESPN.com that the Cowboys are going after Steve Smith."

Chalk this up to yet ANOTHER reason why I hate ESPN.

Not just ESPN, Yahoo is also reporting a similar story just minus the Cowboys.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Are-the-Panthers-considering-trading-Steve-Smith?urn=nfl,98454

[RickeyB]

Not just ESPN, Yahoo is also reporting a similar story just minus the Cowboys.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Are-the-Panthers-considering-trading-Steve-Smith?urn=nfl,98454

Actually now that I read a little closer it looks like Yahoo is just referencing the same ESPN Blog.

[creeves33]

I for one would hate this trade if it ever happened!!! We don't need anymore drama on this team!!!! Just wait until next year and make a play for R.Williams from Detroit.

[staubachfan12]

That's what I like about Cowboy haters. They start out with "Stop living in the past" and then immediately go to "Haven't won a playoff game in 12 years". Sorry haters, you can't have it both ways. You want to talk about 12 years ago then we will talk about 13 years ago (and 15 and 16 and so on....)