OT - New eBay Ripoff Tactics! - More Aug 28!!

[j97e]

If you are an ebay user, chances are you have received their newest update -
Starting October 2008, no more paper checks or money orders! Paypal is the main method of payment, which means that they are not only getting a chunk out of your listings, but out of the final payment as well!

[Masked Moron]

Starting October 2008, no more money orders!

If true, then I'm done with ebay.

[j97e]

It is true --> http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/Payments/

[Sniper33]

message that was sent

We're taking steps to give sellers the most dynamic marketplace on the Internet: reduced upfront cost, optimized exposure, and a more consistent buyer experience to drive more sales.

1. Your Auction-style listings with a low start price are still the best deal on eBay -- no change in Auction-style fees!

Plus, we're introducing a new 35¢ Insertion Fee for Fixed Price listings-regardless of the asking price or number of items in the listing-with a 30-day duration and automatic renewal option at no extra cost. For some of your items, this new Fixed Price option may be a great solution.
2. Driving more sales with a more consistent buyer experience
We're taking other steps to ensure buyers keep coming back to eBay:

* Limits on shipping and handling charges
* Big seller rewards for free shipping, including free subtitle, a boost in search results, and double PowerSeller fee discounts
* No more checks and money orders
* New seller standards: Minimum 4.3 on all DSRs

3. More relevant search results to drive more sales. We're optimizing Best Match to surface the inventory most relevant to each buyer and show the best of Auction-style and Fixed Price.[/U]

[Masked Moron]

It is true --> http://pages.ebay.com/sell/August2008Update/Payments/

Part of that says "Payment on pick-up " is allowed... so, in theory... you could email the seller, and ask if they're ok with a MO, then select pay on pickup as the option, then just send the MO.....

That aside... it looks like ebay is trying to kill itself off.....

[Joerhyno]

Even though Paypal is owned by Evay, they're still a company, and they still have overhead to pay to run what they do, so it's not like there's one Guy named Mr. Ebay sitting one a pile of ebay fee and paypal fee money...:rolleyes:

They're buisnesses, and they need money to run.. I for one am happy about this change, cause to be honest, I hate dealing with waiting for money orders. I'll continue to use ebay, no problem with me.. if you're not happy, good luck with your yardsale and getting the same out of it ;)

[MikeK]

Well, I guess I'll just have to sneak in a few more dollars into my handling fee.:D

[Masked Moron]

Even though Paypal is owned by Evay, they're still a company, and they still have overhead to pay to run what they do, so it's not like there's one Guy named Mr. Ebay sitting one a pile of ebay fee and paypal fee money...:rolleyes:

Ebay forces you to use a payment system that the same company owns & profits off of....


Isn't that the same idea as the reason behind the anti-trust lawsuit Microsoft got slapped with? ( Except that was just a browser, not a payment method)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

[Mack]

http://ppcalc.com/
http://ebcalc.com/

:cool:

[j97e]

If you all think that limiting the shipping cost is to protect the buyer, you are wrong.
People used to do BIN for 99 cents with $30 shipping, and ebay will only get the fee from the 99 cents, plus the paypal for the whole amount.
Now, for the same amount of sale, 30.99, they will collect not only the paypal full amount, but the ebay full amount as well.

The only one who they are trying to protect is their executive's paychecks.

[Dreamcatcher]

Well the new scam trick is you got an item then the seller fill a dispute then you pay the item then the seller refund you the money since he or she said that the item was sold out then the seller put you an strike and claim money to ebay. it's amazing how the new system of no negative sucks.

[Joerhyno]

Ebay forces you to use a payment system that the same company owns & profits off of....


Isn't that the same idea as the reason behind the anti-trust lawsuit Microsoft got slapped with? ( Except that was just a browser, not a payment method)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft

But they're not forcing you to only use paypal, I think that's where they can "get away" with it...

""Beginning late October 2008, all items listed on eBay.com must be paid for using one of the following approved payment options:
Direct credit or debit card payment via a merchant credit card account
PayPal
ProPay
Payment on pick-up
Paper payment methods such as checks and money orders will no longer be accepted on eBay.com.

By January 2009, all approved electronic payment methods will be integrated into eBay checkout. For example, buyers will be able to enter their credit card number directly into eBay checkout, and the payment will be routed to the seller's Internet merchant account or to their PayPal account. "

They're even working on ways to make it better and easier, people always talk about ebay being evil and money hungry, but I see it as them trying to help both the seller and the buyer, making it safer and easier.

I guess I just see things differently then, I dunno.

[j97e]

Well the new scam trick is you got an item then the seller fill a dispute then you pay the item then the seller refund you the money since he or she said that the item was sold out then the seller put you an strike and claim money to ebay. it's amazing how the new system of no negative sucks.

In plain English, please?

[madden821]

But they're not forcing you to only use paypal, I think that's where they can "get away" with it...
PayPal
ProPay
Payment on pick-up
.


Yeah they kind of are. So the pick-up payment will work with about .000001% of the sales and just a hunch here but I am guessing ebay owns ProPay as well so they get their money no matter what.

[Masked Moron]

They're even working on ways to make it better and easier, people always talk about ebay being evil and money hungry, but I see it as them trying to help both the seller and the buyer, making it safer and easier.

I guess I just see things differently then, I dunno.

Yeah, well.... I've never heard of anyone hacking into a money order....... :rolleyes:

I've also never had the post office freeze my bank account because of a sale dispute.

[Joerhyno]

If you all think that limiting the shipping cost is to protect the buyer, you are wrong.
People used to do BIN for 99 cents with $30 shipping, and ebay will only get the fee from the 99 cents, plus the paypal for the whole amount.
Now, for the same amount of sale, 30.99, they will collect not only the paypal full amount, but the ebay full amount as well.

The only one who they are trying to protect is their executive's paychecks.

um, no... they're protecting their buisness, if everyother person did this, then you wouldn't have a place to scalp your goods ;) They wouldn't be able to pay their bills, their employees, their IT crews, and of course, their executives..

[Mandarin_Spawn]

Limits on shipping and handling...that's bull****. You can't just say x amount of dollars for shipping something...they don't know how much the stuff weighs or what shipping method people use...****ing bull****!

[Joerhyno]

Yeah they kind of are. So the pick-up payment will work with about .000001% of the sales and just a hunch here but I am guessing ebay owns ProPay as well so they get their money no matter what.

a quick search shows Wells Fargo ;) so yeah, they kinda aren't.

[j97e]

um, no... they're protecting their buisness, if everyother person did this, then you wouldn't have a place to scalp your goods ;) They wouldn't be able to pay their bills, their employees, their IT crews, and of course, their executives..

That is not true, or it would not explain how did they grow from a home brewed enterprise into an international monster, and all that with the old system.. If they were on a brink of bancropcy, that would have been a different story.. But the fat they are carry now - they have no business ripping us off.

[Joerhyno]

That is not true, or it would not explain how did they grow from a home brewed enterprise into an international monster, and all that with the old system.. If they were on a brink of bancropcy, that would have been a different story.. But the fat they are carry now - they have no business ripping us off.

English please? :p

[j97e]

English please? :p

Touche! :D

[Masked Moron]

For a basic propay account, it costs $35 a year, PLUS 3.5% of the transaction, PLUS 35 cents per transaction, and you can only accept Visa and Mastercard.

And you can only transfer $1,000 a month to start.

[j97e]

What I actually wanted to say....Ah, never mind, you are getting my drift...I think...

eBay sucks more and more with every update.

[Monstrous Hierophant]

Does this mean we're ****ed?

[j97e]

Does this mean we're ****ed?

Not totally.. Just a little more.

[Joerhyno]

For a basic propay account, it costs $35 a year, PLUS 3.5% of the transaction, PLUS 35 cents per transaction, and you can only accept Visa and Mastercard.

And you can only transfer $1,000 a month to start.


For a basic account, the bigger accounts, cost more, but the % fees are lower and the per transaction fees are lower, and you can accept more CC companies, AND your $1000 limit starts at $3000 a month... ;) but nice try there...

To be honest, I don't expect many scalpers to sign up for it, cause, god forbid they have to actually pay money for something... that, and not many of them pull in $3000 a month to make it worth it for their "buisness"

[happynoodle]

Part of that says "Payment on pick-up " is allowed... so, in theory... you could email the seller, and ask if they're ok with a MO, then select pay on pickup as the option, then just send the MO.....

That aside... it looks like ebay is trying to kill itself off.....

i agree, i can't see ebay lasting too much longer with these "updates"

[mmevile]

I can't see how this is enforceable in EBay's part.....if both seller & buyer agrees w/ an alternative pymnt system -- what's going to stop them? :confused: Seems goofy to me.

[Masked Moron]

For a basic account, the bigger accounts, cost more, but the % fees are lower and the per transaction fees are lower, and you can accept more CC companies, AND your $1000 limit starts at $3000 a month... ;) but nice try there...

To be honest, I don't expect many scalpers to sign up for it, cause, god forbid they have to actually pay money for something... that, and not many of them pull in $3000 a month to make it worth it for their "buisness"

I wasn't think of the scalpers... but more the casual buyer.

Right now, I buy the odd thing off ebay, and am happy to pay the $5 or so for the cost of the money order, rather than granting some 3rd party website access to my bank account and/or credit card.

There's also no chance in hell I'm paying an annual fee "incase" I decide to buy something.

[Holeman]

I notice you can still buy porn with money orders.

****ing EBay. They're just determined to run that site right into the ****ing ground.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

well then, looks like I'm done buying from eBay

[Protoform X]

Crap, I've paid ALL my eBay auctions with MOs. I'm not using online payment.

[Spliff]

Who still pays with money orders/checks? I guess the same people that still write checks at the grocery store in the Express lane.

haha

[Masked Moron]

Who still pays with money orders/checks? I guess the same people that still write checks at the grocery store in the Express lane. You really want to go to the bank and deposit your money order just to save a few dollars or probably just a few cents. The oldest saying I've ever heard that no one recognizes is 'time is money'. Your time is more valuable than waiting in lineups. You could be relisting auctions, creating new ones and sourcing new products. These are the same people going to the Post Office and lining up with 20 boxes to send their items out one by one. You can buy postage online at a discount on PP with free delivery confirmation for priority mail. That alone is your PP fees.

I pay cash at the grocery store.

The problem I see with paypal isn't the fee's... it's the un-secure website which allows hackers to EASILY gain access to peoples accounts, and their questionable business practices.

go to www.paypalsucks.com (http://www.paypalsucks.com) and read some of the horror stories on their forums... then see if that's worth the minute & a half of your time waiting in line at the post office.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

Who still pays with money orders/checks? I guess the same people that still write checks at the grocery store in the Express lane. You really want to go to the bank and deposit your money order just to save a few dollars or probably just a few cents. The oldest saying I've ever heard that no one recognizes is 'time is money'. Your time is more valuable than waiting in lineups. You could be relisting auctions, creating new ones and sourcing new products. These are the same people going to the Post Office and lining up with 20 boxes to send their items out one by one. You can buy postage online at a discount on PP with free delivery confirmation for priority mail. That alone is your PP fees.

I do.

I pay by Postal MO, buying and sending them off while I'm already at the post office wasting my precious time to begin with sending off the 1 or two packages I'm mailing out while buying some stamps and checking my PO box.

[bigassbuzz]

http://ppcalc.com/
http://ebcalc.com/

:cool:

mack you just made my day

i hate math :D

[vangeta]

Cap on shipping costs, lol. To top it off, ebay is telling you to **** off and include it with the buying price.

[DarthPredamorph]

If you are an ebay user, chances are you have received their newest update -
Starting October 2008, no more paper checks or money orders! Paypal is the main method of payment, which means that they are not only getting a chunk out of your listings, but out of the final payment as well!
You know what's ironic about this?

Paypal TOTALLY controls all of the money that passes through them. They are like corrupt cops in your neighborhood. They can do whatever they want really... until someone brings out the big guns or something.


With money orders you can at least go and try and resolve serious problems through the USPS if something does happen. With Paypal... it's completely and absolutely ****ing up to them.

**** eBay and **** Paypal. I think I'm done with the both of them. Paypal is owned by eBay anyway, so they're probably both as crooked as it gets behind closed doors.

[Holeman]

Who still pays with money orders/checks? I guess the same people that still write checks at the grocery store in the Express lane. You really want to go to the bank and deposit your money order just to save a few dollars or probably just a few cents. The oldest saying I've ever heard that no one recognizes is 'time is money'. Your time is more valuable than waiting in lineups. You could be relisting auctions, creating new ones and sourcing new products. These are the same people going to the Post Office and lining up with 20 boxes to send their items out one by one. You can buy postage online at a discount on PP with free delivery confirmation for priority mail. That alone is your PP fees.

A lot of people do. EBay is ****ing itself royally with this bull****.

[arayban]

Guess that will be all for me because if I wanted my wife to know exactly how much I spend on toys, I'd use Paypal.:D

[Spogz]

For a basic account, the bigger accounts, cost more, but the % fees are lower and the per transaction fees are lower, and you can accept more CC companies, AND your $1000 limit starts at $3000 a month... ;) but nice try there...

To be honest, I don't expect many scalpers to sign up for it, cause, god forbid they have to actually pay money for something... that, and not many of them pull in $3000 a month to make it worth it for their "buisness"

According to the ProPay website, the eBay Checkout is not a feature of the $35 account.

I guess in order to use ProPay with eBay you have no choice but to start with the $60 account or higher.

[Freaksinraincoats13]

We cant get Paypal in our area :( Bye-bye eBay.

[madden821]

a quick search shows Wells Fargo ;) so yeah, they kinda aren't.


Ok, so 2% of the people will use that... and who's to say ebay won't get any kickbacks as well. There is no way they will approve a payment system that doesn't give them some cut of it. Thats their whole reason for getting rid of checks and MO.

[Robocop2]

I have always preferred money orders ever since way back when paypal messed up something on my original account with them and then refused to change it because of security concers (it was a security code on my CC) ever since then I have used only money orders until recently when it seems that the majority of things I look at don't accept MO's so basically I have to use paypal for a lot of things already.

I really always preferred them for what I was selling moreso than paying. I don't like the extra steps necessary through pay pal to get my monies!

[Johnny Feldman]

I always felt no autcion site had a chance against ebay. Now, well, maybe they do.

I wont get a PP acount, because of the bull****. No MO = No ebay.

That sucks, since the only missing things in my collection are harder than hell to find in person.

[MysticAirBender]

everytime i turn around ebay is getting worse...

[skubasteve]

Ebay tried this in Australia but it was shot down after being met with opposition.

http://www.p2pnet.net/story/16310

This will more than likely be the end of my use of Ebay and PayPal.

[Holeman]

If this goes ahead, I'm done buying and selling on EBay period. I'm tired of the bull**** and more than half the people who buy the **** I sell use money orders.

So, it was fun while it lasted, but oh ****ing well. Maybe swap meets will get interesting again.

[mmevile]

I personally don't like the idea that they are monopolizing your pymnt options, but seriously I have no idea why mo still exist & is being used :confused: First of all as a seller, you have to wait a week before payment even reaches you...then you have to take the drive to the mo company to cash it. And as a buyer, you have to still pay the fees associated w/ mo & the drive it took to get the item (not to mention the postage). Too many steps, I don't mind paying a fee if it makes the process convenient; with money orders, you're still paying fees one way or another & it's still a hassle. :rolleyes: Doesn't make much sense imo.
The only people I know that uses mo are 2 types: people w/o bank info or credit card....or.....people who's scared their info & $$$ will be snatched out of their monitor to fund some hacker's WOW account. :D If you're using the internet & you're below the age of 50, there shouldn't be a reason why you're afraid of online transactions (of course, unless you live in 1 of those backwards-*** state).

[alienchaos]

Yeah, I dont like the sound of this. We all need to protest this somehow. I really hate to stop using the bay of E. If I could, I would try to call in to the town hall meeting theya re having Friday, but I work during that time.

Im liking Craig's List more and more....but guess what? Ebay is trying to buy them as well.

How much more money do they need?

[SoulRedeemer]

Who still pays with money orders/checks? I guess the same people that still write checks at the grocery store in the Express lane. You really want to go to the bank and deposit your money order just to save a few dollars or probably just a few cents. The oldest saying I've ever heard that no one recognizes is 'time is money'. Your time is more valuable than waiting in lineups. You could be relisting auctions, creating new ones and sourcing new products. These are the same people going to the Post Office and lining up with 20 boxes to send their items out one by one. You can buy postage online at a discount on PP with free delivery confirmation for priority mail. That alone is your PP fees.

I still use money orders/checks/cash. Unlike most of society that are becoming impatient and lazy due to the "blessings" of technology, I will opt to do just about everything that takes a bit more time. The "time is money" phrase only applies to those who are interested in making money. For some who rather enjoy the moment, time is irrelevant, and waiting in line becomes a wonderful experience. As some has said, it's not solely about the fees one may have to pay. It's the issue of security of putting crucial information over the website. So anyone who is fortunate enough to not get ripped off due to doing business over the net, glad for you. Hope it continues to stay that way with you.

Here's a saying, roughly paraphrased, that might stick with you: "As long as the desire of anonymity exist, the use of cash will never perish."

[sSHADOWw]

Just a big slap in the face! Go to hell Ebay.
Does this mean more sales for us in the spawn forum to look at???

[NIGHTCRAWLER]

I have no issues with the new payment method, and like it's been said before, I hate having to wait for a Money Order. I don't know when the last time I actually had to go get a Money Order for a purchase. This has no negative impact on me, however, I know there probably are a lot of people that don't use PayPal because they feel it's not safe....these are the people getting the short end of the stick.

[ralph427]

Limits on shipping and handling...that's bull****. You can't just say x amount of dollars for shipping something...they don't know how much the stuff weighs or what shipping method people use...****ing bull****!

If you use the shipping calculator they won't limit it, it is only in the case if you use fixed rate shipping.

I agree with this policy as many buyers are getting ripped off with shipping and "handling" costs.

[ralph427]

They're buisnesses, and they need money to run.. I for one am happy about this change, cause to be honest, I hate dealing with waiting for money orders. I'll continue to use ebay, no problem with me.. if you're not happy, good luck with your yardsale and getting the same out of it ;)

Well said, and I agree. If you don't like the rules, don't use eBay or Paypal. Nobody is forcing you. They are still in the business of making money not making everyone happy.

[twiztedart]

wow that is ******ed.

[mmevile]

I still use money orders/checks/cash. Unlike most of society that are becoming impatient and lazy due to the "blessings" of technology, I will opt to do just about everything that takes a bit more time. The "time is money" phrase only applies to those who are interested in making money. For some who rather enjoy the moment, time is irrelevant, and waiting in line becomes a wonderful experience. As some has said, it's not solely about the fees one may have to pay. It's the issue of security of putting crucial information over the website. So anyone who is fortunate enough to not get ripped off due to doing business over the net, glad for you. Hope it continues to stay that way with you.

Here's a saying, roughly paraphrased, that might stick with you: "As long as the desire of anonymity exist, the use of cash will never perish."So, you're main reasoning why you still use mo instead of online transfers is you don't want to give you info over the net? Hahaha....you're going to be sorely disappointed when you find out your info is still easily hacked into whether you use online transactions or not. :D You might not provide your info online to PayPal but guess what: do you have a bank account? If you do, your info is on a database that's available (whether you're using it or not) to online banking....hence, it's still connected to access by outside sources. ;) Do you have a credit card under your name? Opps, same issues.
Dude, it's all in your mind.....there's no difference between you using paypal vs. mo (if your contention is "security"). Most people fall victim to identity theft online due to 1 reason: lack of common sense. Most affected people got fooled into giving their info due to phising emails/sites and less due to actual hacking from the source. In fact, just recently a number of "brick & mortar" stores have been hacked into so if you think by being physically present at a store provides more security.....again, you're going to be seriously disappointed to find out otherwise. Now if you strictly deal w/ cold hard cash & doesn't have any of the above accounts, don't vote, don't file taxes & believe that the machines will soon takeover.....then congrats you've successfully lived 'outside the grid'.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

I personally don't like the idea that they are monopolizing your pymnt options, but seriously I have no idea why mo still exist & is being used :confused: First of all as a seller, you have to wait a week before payment even reaches you...then you have to take the drive to the mo company to cash it.

what money orders are you purchasing? I can take all the MO's I can purchase in the area to the bank and deposit or cash them at my bank.

I can get them at CVS, Walgreens, Wal-Mart, my local grocer. Or, as I said before I can go the Postal MO route and that can be deposited at your bank or cashed at the PO itself.

I can walk and within 10 minutes in all direction I can purchase a MO from 12 locations and have 2 places for cash or deposits. If you send me a MO, it should be here in no more than 5 days realistically if you're in the US and not in Alaska or Hawaii. I've had MO's arrive next day from Colorado sent regular 1st class mail.

I prefer to have closer access to my cash than a PayPal account affords me and MO's provide that for as little as 49 cents and as much as $1.05

plus, I can have my Postal MO replaced if lost, damaged or stolen. the run of the mill MO you can get at other places is a lot more problematic. but Postal is significantly more convenient unless you live fairly far from the PO and rarely go there.

[SoulRedeemer]

So, you're main reasoning why you still use mo instead of online transfers is you don't want to give you info over the net? Hahaha....you're going to be sorely disappointed when you find out your info is still easily hacked into whether you use online transactions or not. :D You might not provide your info online to PayPal but guess what: do you have a bank account? If you do, your info is on a database that's available (whether you're using it or not) to online banking....hence, it's still connected to access by outside sources. ;) Do you have a credit card under your name? Opps, same issues.
Dude, it's all in your mind.....there's no difference between you using paypal vs. mo (if your contention is "security"). Most people fall victim to identity theft online due to 1 reason: lack of common sense. Most affected people got fooled into giving their info due to phising emails/sites and less due to actual hacking from the source. In fact, just recently a number of "brick & mortar" stores have been hacked into so if you think by being physically present at a store provides more security.....again, you're going to be seriously disappointed to find out otherwise. Now if you strictly deal w/ cold hard cash & doesn't have any of the above accounts, don't vote, don't file taxes & believe that the machines will soon takeover.....then congrats you've successfully lived 'outside the grid'.

I should clarify that isn't the "main" reason. :) As far as the other stuff, I've been aware of that fact as well. Believe me, I do more reading about various subjects than I should. :D But thanks for mentioning it again. ;) I know I'm not completely safe from identify theft because of prior circumstances, but I'm slowly becoming more proactive in personal responsibility in the matter. As you said, most cases are due to people not being careful. With that said, by consciously choosing how I'm revealing my information and in what method, I'm reducing my chances. One day though, I'm be completely "outside the grid." ;) But, if I want to say there is a "main" reason, it's simply because I choose not to use Paypal. :D

[spectre_I]

i dont really mind them getting rid of checks and MO's... its the paypal only is disturbing.

But I cant beleive no one is *****ing about them forcing Free shipping on us.

all the changes ebay is constantly making is getting to sound like made up garble. almost like they dont even care if they make any sense. they cant really expect that anyone takes them serious anymore.

they should just do emails every 2 months saying "hey! its time for an increase, BECUASE WE WANT MOOOORE!!!"

i could at least respect that.

i cant beleive they have figured out a way to take a cut of EVERYTHING even shipping you would think that the post office would like to know about this. seems illegal to me, theres no such thing as free shipping, you can include it in the price of the auction if you want, but ebay is forcing you to include it? then taking a cut of it? some one needs to sue sue sue! if you would have told me ebay was going to turn into this 7 years ago i wouldnt have beleived you.


Theres a very special place in hell reserved for the folks at ebay.

[DarkRaven]

Does this mean we're ****ed?

Except now they've taken the lube off the night table.

[bigassbuzz]

money orders have produced 80% of my BAD DEALS on ebay (which are very few).

if you ever pay w a money order, have lube on hand.

I think ebay limiting the options is wrong, and obviously PROFIT motivated, but it might result in a safer shopping experience.

[JayDouble]

I get my money orders from Nigeria.

[Sugartank]

Limits on shipping and handling...that's bull****. You can't just say x amount of dollars for shipping something...they don't know how much the stuff weighs or what shipping method people use...****ing bull****!

I got charged $8.50 for S&H on a video game.....just 1 video game. When I got the game, it was shipped first class by the way(it took about a week), I think it was about $2.30 total. So yeah i kind of agree with the limit on S&H

[Holeman]

i dont really mind them getting rid of checks and MO's... its the paypal only is disturbing.

But I cant beleive no one is *****ing about them forcing Free shipping on us.

all the changes ebay is constantly making is getting to sound like made up garble. almost like they dont even care if they make any sense. they cant really expect that anyone takes them serious anymore.

they should just do emails every 2 months saying "hey! its time for an increase, BECUASE WE WANT MOOOORE!!!"

i could at least respect that.

i cant beleive they have figured out a way to take a cut of EVERYTHING even shipping you would think that the post office would like to know about this. seems illegal to me, theres no such thing as free shipping, you can include it in the price of the auction if you want, but ebay is forcing you to include it? then taking a cut of it? some one needs to sue sue sue! if you would have told me ebay was going to turn into this 7 years ago i wouldnt have beleived you.


Theres a very special place in hell reserved for the folks at ebay.

OH, DON'T KID YOURSELF! I'm very ****ing pissed off about the shipping situation. What a load of ****ing horse****! :mad:

[j97e]

Well said, and I agree. If you don't like the rules, don't use eBay or Paypal. Nobody is forcing you. They are still in the business of making money not making everyone happy.

Just remember what you've said above, next time you feel like *****ing about
"..walmart or TRU employees who do not care about the customer...". !!!!

According to you, they are there only to take your money, not to make you happy.

So again, just print out your post and re-read it next time your 'Customer Persona' gets a slap in the face.

[Uwe]

They're certainly not attracting new sellers with this crap...

[xShowtime32x]

That is not true, or it would not explain how did they grow from a home brewed enterprise into an international monster, and all that with the old system.. If they were on a brink of bancropcy, that would have been a different story.. But the fat they are carry now - they have no business ripping us off.

Actually it's like ripping them off. They offer a service that includes fees, by doing that you are trying to circumvent their fees and take advantage of their services at a greatly reduced cost.

[j97e]

Actually it's like ripping them off. They offer a service that includes fees, by doing that you are trying to circumvent their fees and take advantage of their services at a greatly reduced cost.

Yes, I am just corrupt like that. How dare I to rip them off! I totally reduce their management chances of trading in the Ferrari only once a year instead of every 6 month...

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

it takes me less than a second to read that whole avatar, d00d. rip-off

[Uwe]

it takes me less than a second to read that whole avatar, d00d. rip-off
The extra seconds cover the cost of time it took to make the avatar.

[xShowtime32x]

* New seller standards: Minimum 4.3 on all DSRs

That doesn't make any sense. Anyone with ratings under that cant sell, so how are they to get those numbers up to be able to sell again if only sellers get those ratings. Plus if you look at the description for each star, almost every buyer deserves a 3 or 4.

[xShowtime32x]

Yes, I am just corrupt like that. How dare I to rip them off! I totally reduce their management chances of trading in the Ferrari only once a year instead of every 6 month...

This is the thinking that it is ok to steal from somebody because they are rich. They busted their ass to get where they are and be able to work for eBay to make money that allows them to enjoy life's extravagances. Perhaps you should stop sitting here on an internet message board crying about eBay management and whatever else and bust your ass to get a job like them. Then you can stop complaining.

[Uwe]

This is the thinking that it is ok to steal from somebody because they are rich. They busted their ass to get where they are and be able to work for eBay to make money that allows them to enjoy life's extravagances. Perhaps you should stop sitting here on an internet message board crying about eBay management and whatever else and bust your ass to get a job like them. Then you can stop complaining.
but...but...but what if people DO have a job and sell on ebay on the side!!?

And god forbid people disagree with a change.

[j97e]

This is the thinking that it is ok to steal from somebody because they are rich. They busted their ass to get where they are and be able to work for eBay to make money that allows them to enjoy life's extravagances. Perhaps you should stop sitting here on an internet message board crying about eBay management and whatever else and bust your ass to get a job like them. Then you can stop complaining.

Correction - WE busted our asses to get THEM to where they are.

[xShowtime32x]

Correction - WE busted our asses to get THEM to where they are.

By using a service THEY provide and maintain. I highly doubt you "busted your ass" in college for years and years to learn how to sell thing on eBay :rolleyes:

[Uwe]

By using a service THEY provide and maintain. I highly doubt you "busted your ass" in college for years and years to learn how to sell thing on eBay :rolleyes:
I used to sell stolen copper pipes there. Now with the new fees, I have to back to the black market. :(

[Masked Moron]

By using a service THEY provide and maintain...


Maintaing a website that's basically one large messageboard with a search function isn't really that hard.....

Aside from a basic messageboard interface, what else does ebay really do?

[Holeman]

Maintaing a website that's basically one large messageboard with a search function isn't really that hard.....

Aside from a basic messageboard interface, what else does ebay really do?

Absolutely nothing. They provide the illusion of a safe marketplace, but really all EBay is, is a big ass message board with a bidding and search option and that's all.

[j97e]

By using a service THEY provide and maintain. I highly doubt you "busted your ass" in college for years and years to learn how to sell thing on eBay :rolleyes:

You highly doubt?
I will wait till you grow up, move out of your parent's house, and learn how the real world works, before continuing replying to you. Just keep me posted.

[hupone]

I got charged $8.50 for S&H on a video game.....just 1 video game. When I got the game, it was shipped first class by the way(it took about a week), I think it was about $2.30 total. So yeah i kind of agree with the limit on S&H

Now, sellers will have to raise their price to adjust for the lower "Shipping and Handling" Do you not realize that it take packing material, boxes, drive time to the Post Office and not to mention that EBAY and PAYPAL takes about 10% of every sale. You are an idiot. Sellers don't do this to lose money just so EBAY can rape them. But that is what is going to happen.

[j97e]

I used to sell stolen copper pipes there. Now with the new fees, I have to back to the black market. :(

You'll be fine :)
Just raise the scalping prices and pass the cost on to these sheeple who feel sorry for poor ole bay :D

[xShowtime32x]

You highly doubt?
I will wait till you grow up, move out of your parent's house, and learn how the real world works, before continuing replying to you. Just keep me posted.

So you're implying that you did in fact go to school and work hard to learn to sell on eBay? And I have "moved out of my mom's house" and am well aware how the real world works.

[Uwe]

So you're implying that you did in fact go to school and work hard to learn to sell on eBay? And I have "moved out of my mom's house" and am well aware how the real world works.
Then you realize as a white man, I do love cheese.

[j97e]

Then you realize as a white man, I do love cheese.

Mmmm....Cheese!!!

Personally, I realize that I would do all I can and employ every trick in the book in order to screw ebay out of their ripoff fees.
I also realize that some of you here will also help me to pay for them.

[Spawnomite]

Is ebay trying to kill itself or what?

[Masked Moron]

Is ebay trying to kill itself or what?

I was going to look up the name of the CEO of ebay, to make a "replaced by a skrull" joke, when I came across this.... (news to me... never really cared before I went to look it up)

http://news.ebay.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=289314

January 23, 2008

In addition, eBay announced that Rajiv Dutta, currently the President of PayPal, has been named Executive Vice President of eBay Inc. and will also replace Donahoe as President of eBay Marketplaces


... at least now we know who's to blame....

[Holeman]

I was going to look up the name of the CEO of ebay, to make a "replaced by a skrull" joke, when I came across this.... (news to me... never really cared before I went to look it up)

http://news.ebay.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=289314

January 23, 2008

In addition, eBay announced that Rajiv Dutta, currently the President of PayPal, has been named Executive Vice President of eBay Inc. and will also replace Donahoe as President of eBay Marketplaces


... at least now we know who's to blame....

Kind of. Check out his Forbes profile.

Rajiv Dutta, age 46, serves eBay as President, eBay Marketplaces. He has served in that capacity and as a director of eBay since January 2008. From June 2006 to January 2008, Mr. Dutta served as President, PayPal. From October 2005 to June 2006, Mr. Dutta served as Skype"s President. From January 2001 to March 2006, Mr. Dutta served as eBay"s Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. From August 1999 to January 2001, Mr. Dutta served as eBay"s Vice President of Finance and Investor Relations. From July 1998 to August 1999, Mr. Dutta served as eBay"s Finance director. Prior to joining eBay, Mr. Dutta held positions at KLA-Tencor, a manufacturer of semiconductor equipment, and Bio-Rad Laboratories, Inc., a manufacturer and distributor of life science and diagnostic products with operations in over 24 countries. Mr. Dutta holds a B.A. degree in Economics from St. Stephen"s College, Delhi University in India and an M.B.A. degree from Drucker School of Management. On July 16, 2008, the Company announced that Mr. Dutta was resigning as President of eBay Marketplaces and as a director of eBay. Mr. Dutta will continue to work with Ms. Norrington on the transition until October 2008 and will subsequently act as a consultant through the end of the year.

[Masked Moron]

Kind of. Check out his Forbes profile.

So he's ****ing over ebay before he leaves in 2 months. :p

[j97e]

Also, if you don't like eBay tactics, you can call their coplaint center in India.
It's easy, and the lines are open ---
http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm140/j97e/manga%20goddess/techsupport.jpg

[Holeman]

So he's ****ing over ebay before he leaves in 2 months. :p

EBay changes CEO's more often than a stripper changes outfits. It's the revolving door quality of their senior staff that has plagued the company with a constant 'fly-by-night' atmosphere despite it's earnings and growth over the years. EBay is a very fertile company for shady dealing simply because there is little to no oversight on internet sales.

I have a feeling this "PayPal Only!" policy isn't going to last for very long. They tried it in Australia and it crashed and burned. Some people like it, but it seems a whole hell of a lot more people hate it. That combined with their ass backwards approach toward attracting new sellers and making it harder than ever to become a bidder is going to kill the company.

[Masked Moron]

EBay changes CEO's more often than a stripper changes outfits. It's the revolving door quality of their senior staff that has plagued the company with a constant 'fly-by-night' atmosphere despite it's earnings and growth over the years. EBay is a very fertile company for shady dealing simply because there is little to no oversight on internet sales.

I have a feeling this "PayPal Only!" policy isn't going to last for very long. They tried it in Australia and it crashed and burned. Some people like it, but it seems a whole hell of a lot more people hate it. That combined with their ass backwards approach toward attracting new sellers and making it harder than ever to become a bidder is going to kill the company.

If craigslist had a centralized search ( does it?) I'd think more people would use that than ebay.....

[Spawnomite]

I was going to look up the name of the CEO of ebay, to make a "replaced by a skrull" joke, when I came across this.... (news to me... never really cared before I went to look it up)

http://news.ebay.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=289314

January 23, 2008

In addition, eBay announced that Rajiv Dutta, currently the President of PayPal, has been named Executive Vice President of eBay Inc. and will also replace Donahoe as President of eBay Marketplaces


... at least now we know who's to blame....Damn skrulls are everywhere.

[cyberpyrot]

here is what we need to do.... I have a secure site SSL we can simply buy some auction software and install it on my server and make no listing fees all arangements are between buyer and seller. we can use this site as refrences until people build up a reputation.. I already own an ecomerce shop that is doing really well WWW.Wiredinput.COM/Shopusa (http://www.wiredinput.com/shopusa) as long as my server expenses dont increase im game for hosting a free service for board members...

[j97e]

here is what we need to do.... I have a secure site SSL we can simply buy some auction software and install it on my server and make no listing fees all arangements are between buyer and seller. we can use this site as refrences until people build up a reputation.. I already own an ecomerce shop that is doing really well WWW.Wiredinput.COM/Shopusa (http://www.wiredinput.com/shopusa) as long as my server expenses dont increase im game for hosting a free service for board members...

I don't see anything happening at this point. Takes years to build it up.. That's why it is so upsetting with the damn ebay... Years we put our money into it, and now they got us by the ping pongs.

[ralph427]

Just remember what you've said above, next time you feel like *****ing about
"..walmart or TRU employees who do not care about the customer...". !!!!

According to you, they are there only to take your money, not to make you happy.

So again, just print out your post and re-read it next time your 'Customer Persona' gets a slap in the face.


Ummm, where in my quote did I say ebay doesn't care about the customer. I said they can't make everyone happy. Please don't misquote me.

Also if one TRU employee or Walmart employee treated me crappy I wouldn't say that everyone in TRU or Walmart is the same. It is just one employee with a crappy attitude. Luckily I rarely get a bad attitude since I treat everyone with respect.

[TsunamiZ]

oh well we still have the BST forum right :)

[mmevile]

what money orders are you purchasing? I can take all the MO's I can purchase in the area to the bank and deposit or cash them at my bank.

I can get them at CVS, Walgreens, Wal-Mart, my local grocer. Or, as I said before I can go the Postal MO route and that can be deposited at your bank or cashed at the PO itself.

I can walk and within 10 minutes in all direction I can purchase a MO from 12 locations and have 2 places for cash or deposits. If you send me a MO, it should be here in no more than 5 days realistically if you're in the US and not in Alaska or Hawaii. I've had MO's arrive next day from Colorado sent regular 1st class mail.

I prefer to have closer access to my cash than a PayPal account affords me and MO's provide that for as little as 49 cents and as much as $1.05

plus, I can have my Postal MO replaced if lost, damaged or stolen. the run of the mill MO you can get at other places is a lot more problematic. but Postal is significantly more convenient unless you live fairly far from the PO and rarely go there.No matter if the CVS is next door to your house, you're still going out as opposed to a couple of flicks of the wrist & bingo, you've sent $$$ online. Also the delivery times you're quoting are not guaranteed....you can confirm that w/ the USPS. BTW, if you're mo gets lost....yes, you can replace it (for a fee). ;) Online transfers rarely gets lost.
It's one thing if you "prefer" that method & I'm not defending PayPal per se, but you can't say that money order is a more convenient way of paying. Oh also, when you're sending money via PayPal....(the other guy will) you have NO fees. So by using a money order (taking all the convenience factor aside), you're still out the mo fee & postage. Sorry, I just don't see the logic.

[Masked Moron]

No matter if the CVS is next door to your house, you're still going out as opposed to a couple of flicks of the wrist & bingo, you've sent $$$ online. Also the delivery times you're quoting are not guaranteed....you can confirm that w/ the USPS. BTW, if you're mo gets lost....yes, you can replace it (for a fee). ;) Online transfers rarely gets lost.
It's one thing if you "prefer" that method & I'm not defending PayPal per se, but you can't say that money order is a more convenient way of paying. Oh also, when you're sending money via PayPal....(the other guy will) you have NO fees. So by using a money order (taking all the convenience factor aside), you're still out the mo fee & postage. Sorry, I just don't see the logic.

Nobody has ever hacked a money order.

The post office doesn't freeze my bank account in the event of a dispute.

[Holeman]

No matter if the CVS is next door to your house, you're still going out as opposed to a couple of flicks of the wrist & bingo, you've sent $$$ online. Also the delivery times you're quoting are not guaranteed....you can confirm that w/ the USPS. BTW, if you're mo gets lost....yes, you can replace it (for a fee). ;) Online transfers rarely gets lost.
It's one thing if you "prefer" that method & I'm not defending PayPal per se, but you can't say that money order is a more convenient way of paying. Oh also, when you're sending money via PayPal....(the other guy will) you have NO fees. So by using a money order (taking all the convenience factor aside), you're still out the mo fee & postage. Sorry, I just don't see the logic.

Where I'm coming from is this: a lot of people are comfortable paying this way. I don't really see the point in spending the money for a money order, plus Priority Mail fees to make sure it gets to the seller in 7 days when you could use PayPal.

But, a lot of people are totally cool with that and I'm not going to be selling to them anymore, because they're going to walk away from EBay altogether. I can't remember the last time I paid for something with a money order, but a lot of people are cool with that and even though it takes longer and I have to go to the bank, I'm totally happy to do it BECAUSE I'M STILL GETTING THEIR MONEY!

They're completely eliminating the seller's rights altogether and that's what is going to kill EBay. Without sellers, there are no ****ing buyers.

[mmevile]

Nobody has ever hacked a money order.
And where did your $$$ come from to fund that mo? A bank maybe....a bank w/ your checking accnt records w/ a link to the outside world via online banking? Unless you're stashing your whole entire funds under your mattress, it's still not as safe as you might think.;)
The post office doesn't freeze my bank account in the event of a dispute.True, and btw I'm not saying paypal is perfect. In fact, I don't like keeping my $$$ in their possession for too long. When I need to pay something, that's the only time I fund my accnt & I use a cred card. As a buyer when push comes to shove, I'm protected by either paypal or my cred card.....my own checking accnt doesn't get affected. Now a seller on the other hand has other considerations.

[BiBLE]

Found some seller tonight selling figures at "normal" costs with free shipping via UPS ground. Too good to pass up so I ordered a couple. Its a real shame more sellers can't take hits like that.

[Masked Moron]

And where did your $$$ come from to fund that mo? A bank maybe....a bank w/ your checking accnt records w/ a link to the outside world via online banking? Unless you're stashing your whole entire funds under your mattress, it's still not as safe as you might think.;)

Actually, the money order comes from me handing cash to the post office teller. There is NO banking info involved.

I'm not saying banks are perfect either... but I hear a LOT more stories about paypal accounts being hacked over banks being infiltrated.

[mmevile]

Where I'm coming from is this: a lot of people are comfortable paying this way. I don't really see the point in spending the money for a money order, plus Priority Mail fees to make sure it gets to the seller in 7 days when you could use PayPal.

But, a lot of people are totally cool with that and I'm not going to be selling to them anymore, because they're going to walk away from EBay altogether. I can't remember the last time I paid for something with a money order, but a lot of people are cool with that and even though it takes longer and I have to go to the bank, I'm totally happy to do it BECAUSE I'M STILL GETTING THEIR MONEY!

They're completely eliminating the seller's rights altogether and that's what is going to kill EBay. Without sellers, there are no ****ing buyers.I agree 100% with you on that. This change affects sellers more than (most) buyers. Hey, I welcome all those big-time sellers to band together & form their own auction site to compete w/ eBay. I hate it that eBay pretty much have a monopoly w/ this niche market.

[mmevile]

Actually, the money order comes from me handing cash to the post office teller. There is NO banking info involved.

I'm not saying banks are perfect either... but I hear a LOT more stories about paypal accounts being hacked over banks being infiltrated.:D I understand you're handing them cash for the mo, I'm sure we can prob trace the money trail back to your checking accnt. ;) And you're right, paypal is not fdic insured so that's a dicey situation there....but I didn't suggest to keep your money in paypal -- I'm talking about just using them for transfers.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

No matter if the CVS is next door to your house, you're still going out as opposed to a couple of flicks of the wrist & bingo, you've sent $$$ online. Also the delivery times you're quoting are not guaranteed....you can confirm that w/ the USPS. BTW, if you're mo gets lost....yes, you can replace it (for a fee). ;) Online transfers rarely gets lost.
It's one thing if you "prefer" that method & I'm not defending PayPal per se, but you can't say that money order is a more convenient way of paying. Oh also, when you're sending money via PayPal....(the other guy will) you have NO fees. So by using a money order (taking all the convenience factor aside), you're still out the mo fee & postage. Sorry, I just don't see the logic.

I never said that it's more convenient. I don't want to deal with PayPal, it's protection policies or lack thereof and the fees. I don't want to deal with voiding a lot of my consumer protections to hook into their system.

I go out a lot. I'm already out when I'm on my way to the PO to pick up a MO. I stop by to check my PO box and it's a 5 minute part of the walk I take every single day, even on Sunday. And I don't have to deal with an additional fee when I buy a Postal MO and it gets damaged. It's paid for up front in the initial service fee. That fee buys me one of the best protection packages in the market today and if I have an issue with a payment being lost or stolen I pay $5.20 and I get a dandy new one rather than deal with PayPal. I don't like other MO's as much as I like the postal one. They're more of a hassle and I have to take them to the bank, though that's a block down the street so it's not that much of a hassle. I just don't like going to my bank. I like to pass it on the way down to The Cannon and back

The chance that my MO will get lost or delayed to the point where it takes longer than 5 business days to get to my intended destination is so minimal it may as well be negligable. I know they don't guarantee those time, but out of the 100's of MO's I've sent out in the past few years not a single one took longer than 5 days to reach its destination.

The postal MO is less convenient than being able to instantaneously transfer funds but that doesn't make it inconvenient. Not for me. I live in a city neighborhood where I have pretty much everything I need from quick, cheap public transportation to a CVS next to a comic shop next to a bakery next to a coffee shop next to a post office next to the library and across the street from my dentist, the gas station and an ice cream parlor all extremely close to my home. I can pick up my mail on the way to get some fresh buns or donuts, purchase my MO and drop off a package, pick up the latest issue of Spawn and grab my fresh, homemade authentic Italian pasta all in the same trip and be back to my house in under a half hour

... walking

[Masked Moron]

:D I understand you're handing them cash for the mo, I'm sure we can prob trace the money trail back to your checking accnt. ;) And you're right, paypal is not fdic insured so that's a dicey situation there....but I didn't suggest to keep your money in paypal -- I'm talking about just using them for transfers.

Either way, I've read too many horror stories to ever bother with paypal.

[mmevile]

I never said that it's more convenient. I don't want to deal with PayPal, it's protection policies or lack thereof and the fees. I don't want to deal with voiding a lot of my consumer protections to hook into their system.I understand that you prefer the mo & that's fine, I can understand that. But, what exactly am I giving up in terms of protection if I'm a buyer using ppal vs. mo? :confused: The online transfer doesn't get lost....at worst, the seller didn't receive it because of incorrect info on the seller's accnt (which can be easily remedied). So I don't worry about lost pymnt. You must be talking about the seller's rights, right?

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

you're giving up a lot, actually. I suggest you read their TOS a bit closer and check which rights you're waiving when using PayPal.

as a buyer and a seller

[Masked Moron]

I understand that you prefer the mo & that's fine, I can understand that. But, what exactly am I giving up in terms of protection if I'm a buyer using ppal vs. mo? :confused: The online transfer doesn't get lost....at worst, the seller didn't receive it because of incorrect info on the seller's accnt (which can be easily remedied). So I don't worry about lost pymnt. You must be talking about the seller's rights, right?


www.paypalsucks.com (http://www.paypalsucks.com) spells it out for you

[SweetZombieJesus]

:D I understand you're handing them cash for the mo, I'm sure we can prob trace the money trail back to your checking accnt. ;) And you're right, paypal is not fdic insured so that's a dicey situation there....but I didn't suggest to keep your money in paypal -- I'm talking about just using them for transfers.

You seem to be under the delusion that Paypal is safe...do some searching on the internet and see just how safe Paypal really is. They're not getting a dime of my money ever.

[Masked Moron]

You seem to be under the delusion that Paypal is safe...do some searching on the internet and see just how safe Paypal really is. They're not getting a dime of my money ever.

Just a few horror stories, all in one convenient location.

http://www.aboutpaypal.org/beware_of_paypal

[mmevile]

www.paypalsucks.com (http://www.paypalsucks.com) spells it out for youI've seen that site before & it still doesn't change anything, wanna know why? First thing the site warns you about ppal's tos: "waive your rights to credit card consumer protection laws if you want to use their service, and that you may not issue a chargeback for unauthorized use of your credit card and PayPal account, or if you do, then they have the right to limit your account"
Using that site's word as gospel is like going to Wiki & claiming all the info there are solid facts....not always the case. ;) I work cust serv for a ccard company & I know from 1sthand experience that I won't have any issues calling my ccard & disputing anything I did w/ paypal. TOS is something corporations use as a last resort, unless you're talking about a dispute in the thousands....you're not even going to reach to that point. Me personally, if I'm spending for something in the thousands....I'm not doing it on eBay. :D

[Masked Moron]

I've seen that site before & it still doesn't change anything, wanna know why? First thing the site warns you about ppal's tos: word as gospel is like going to Wiki & claiming all the info there are solid facts....not always the case. ;) I work cust serv for a ccard company & I know from 1sthand experience that I won't have any issues calling my ccard & disputing anything I did w/ paypal. TOS is something corporations use as a last resort, unless you're talking about a dispute in the thousands....you're not even going to reach to that point. Me personally, if I'm spending for something in the thousands....I'm not doing it on eBay. :D



I'm thinking more along the lines of points 4 & 5 ,.....

4. If PayPal feels your actions are questionable, PayPal is the investigator, judge, jury and executioner. "Telling your side" of what happened, in most cases seems to be irrelevant. They also refuse to provide you with the details of their investigation and withhold documents they relied upon to make their decisions. Your only contact will be an email that says:

Thank you for contacting PayPal. We apologize for the delay in respondingto your service request.

After review, the decision has been made to keep your account locked. This decision cannot be appealed.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this email.

That will be the end of it as far as PayPal is concerned. You can email back, but you'll just get more of the same. Oh yea, and you'll have to wait 180 days to get your money. (so much for the inconvinience of a MO...)

5. If you are a bona fide, up-standing individual with hundreds of successful transactions, but someone pays you with a stolen credit card, your account (by PayPal's own admission) is immediately flagged as being "criminal behavior" and any money in that account is confiscated. If a customer "disputes" the charge, same thing happens. (See email above.) PayPal claims that they will fight chargebacks, but read this (http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=8705&fid=3&block=0) before you fall for that one.

[mmevile]

You seem to be under the delusion that Paypal is safe...do some searching on the internet and see just how safe Paypal really is. They're not getting a dime of my money ever.Incorrect. I'm very aware of PayPal's limitations as I've already prev stated above. What I'm saying is that for the simple act of transferring money from me (the buyer) to some seller out there....this is the best way for me. You guys must have this impression that as soon as you plug in your ccard info that ppal has free reign to just draft whatever amount they feel like it. :D I love how everyone defaults the "research the internet for horror stories" defense.

[mmevile]

I'm thinking more along the lines of points 4 & 5 ,.....

4. If PayPal feels your actions are questionable, PayPal is the investigator, judge, jury and executioner. "Telling your side" of what happened, in most cases seems to be irrelevant. They also refuse to provide you with the details of their investigation and withhold documents they relied upon to make their decisions. Your only contact will be an email that says:

Thank you for contacting PayPal. We apologize for the delay in respondingto your service request.

After review, the decision has been made to keep your account locked. This decision cannot be appealed.

If you have any further questions, please reply to this email.

That will be the end of it as far as PayPal is concerned. You can email back, but you'll just get more of the same. Oh yea, and you'll have to wait 180 days to get your money. (so much for the inconvinience of a MO...)

5. If you are a bona fide, up-standing individual with hundreds of successful transactions, but someone pays you with a stolen credit card, your account (by PayPal's own admission) is immediately flagged as being "criminal behavior" and any money in that account is confiscated. If a customer "disputes" the charge, same thing happens. (See email above.) PayPal claims that they will fight chargebacks, but read this (http://www.paypalsucks.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=8705&fid=3&block=0) before you fall for that one. OK, we're still talking about a buyer using ppal, right? Because both the above looks to be geared to sellers. I'm only talking about buyers.

[Masked Moron]

OK, we're still talking about a buyer using ppal, right? Because both the above looks to be geared to sellers. I'm only talking about buyers.

I'm talking about paypal sucking in general.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

I don't even care about the horror stories. I just don't see the pros lining up with the cons in the grand scheme of my life. What I have to give up and the hoops I will have to go through don't balance out with what I get.

and the $85 I will never get back because of the loopholes in their system and the joke that is their DRP have killed it for me

[j97e]

August 28 -
Was selling a 2 DVD Deluxe set. It costs $2.53 to ship via First Class mail. The bubble mailer is $1.09.
Total of $3.62
eBay informed me that:
Attention Seller!

Starting in October, the maximum shipping cost in this category will be $3.00. You'll be asked to enter a shipping cost less than or equal to this cost for the first U.S. flat rate shipping service.

Get a head start on these changes by updating your shipping costs for this listing

They are forcing the sellers to incorporate their cost into the sale price, so they can get a chunk out of it as well, because as of now, they do not get a fee off the shipping cost, only off the final sale price.

[MikeK]

As I still wait for my money order to arrive from a buyer in Brazil, I'm starting to see ebay's point about the payment methodes.

[vangeta]

As I still wait for my money order to arrive from a buyer in Brazil, I'm starting to see ebay's point about the payment methodes.

That's not the problem, the problem is that your buyer is incompetent.

[MikeK]

That's not the problem, the problem is that your buyer is incompetent.

Why do you say that? So far I have no reason to believe that he didn't send the money. He told me when it was sent and has asked me if it arrived yet. It really hasn't been all that long since it was sent either. Anyway, it's not like I already sent him his items, so it's no big deal to me whether his money arrives or not.

[golden puma]

I got charged $8.50 for S&H on a video game.....just 1 video game. When I got the game, it was shipped first class by the way(it took about a week), I think it was about $2.30 total. So yeah i kind of agree with the limit on S&H

As has been discussed before if you are bidding on an item that you would wish to spend no more than say $20 and shipping has been stated at $10, can you guess what should your maximum bid be?

If your at the post office as surprisingly alot of sellers are, the buyer for a change paying the fee for the MO rather than you paying PP is that not a good thing?

The Fat Cats just want thicker cream, end of

[Ivan the Terrible]

If you use the shipping calculator they won't limit it, it is only in the case if you use fixed rate shipping.

I agree with this policy as many buyers are getting ripped off with shipping and "handling" costs.

Yeah but the shipping costs I see entered into the shipping calculator for International shipping is usually waaaay overpriced and inaccurate

I got charged $8.50 for S&H on a video game.....just 1 video game. When I got the game, it was shipped first class by the way(it took about a week), I think it was about $2.30 total. So yeah i kind of agree with the limit on S&H

Exactly what I'm talking about. Happens to me all~ the time.

Didn't you know that video game weighs like 5 pounds according to the USPS shipping calculator?

And then if you complain the seller gives you some BS story about having to factor in for his packaging materials, labels, tape + gas to the post office + time standing in line etc., etc. :rolleyes:

[bigassbuzz]

I just CLOSED my ebay store today.
Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

monthly store fee
Listing fees
picture upgrade fees
final value fees
paypal fees

can suck my gnuts

[j97e]

I just CLOSED my ebay store today.
Wheeeeeeeeeeee!

monthly store fee
Listing fees
picture upgrade fees
final value fees
paypal fees

can suck my gnuts

Good for you!
Are you setting up an online store? If yes, how are you going to reach your customers? I mean, are you web-advertising?
( Think I am about to coin a new word - Webvertizing! :) :)

[sSHADOWw]

I guess we will see more stuff in the buy/sell/trade area

[shawnspookcity]

ebay blows. I wish somebody would make a worthwhile competitor.

[pigeonman]

i,am also done with ebay and the paypal bullsh%%.ihave been selling on ebay for about 3 years.recently i was forced to offer paypal as a payment option.when i complained to ebay and paypal about this i was given the run around and never got a answer why i had to offer it.of coarse one of the items i sold and SHIPPED was not received by a buyer that used paypal.she filed a complaint with pay pal saying she never received the item and she wanted a refund.so paypal froze the amount from MY account until the problem was solved.i sent PROOF to paypal showing i shipped the item to this person but guess what happen,they sided with the buyer,took the money out of my palpal account.SO NOW SOMEONE PAYING WITH PAYPAL CAN CLAIM THEY DID,NT RECEIVE THE ITEM AND GET THE ITEM AND THE PAYMENT BACK AND THERE'S NOTTHING THE SELLER CAN DO BUT TO USE TRACKING OR SOME OTHER METHOD TO TRACK.THEY CAN KISS MY ASS !!! I,AM DOINE WITH THE BOTH OF THEM.

[avcprime]

I wonder How they are going to decide fair shipping? emphasis on the word fair.

[MikeK]

The "fair shipping" has to have something to do with handling fees. Most sellers, including myself, use the postage calculator in their auctions. I think the only people that are going to have trouble with this are those that charge shipping that is deliberately over the top.

[Masked Moron]

i,am also done with ebay and the paypal bullsh%%.ihave been selling on ebay for about 3 years.recently i was forced to offer paypal as a payment option.when i complained to ebay and paypal about this i was given the run around and never got a answer why i had to offer it.

Because Ebay owns paypal.

No... seriosully... they're owned by the same company.

of coarse one of the items i sold and SHIPPED was not received by a buyer that used paypal.she filed a complaint with pay pal saying she never received the item and she wanted a refund.so paypal froze the amount from MY account until the problem was solved.i sent PROOF to paypal showing i shipped the item to this person but guess what happen,they sided with the buyer,took the money out of my palpal account.SO NOW SOMEONE PAYING WITH PAYPAL CAN CLAIM THEY DID,NT RECEIVE THE ITEM AND GET THE ITEM AND THE PAYMENT BACK AND THERE'S NOTTHING THE SELLER CAN DO BUT TO USE TRACKING OR SOME OTHER METHOD TO TRACK.THEY CAN KISS MY ASS !!! I,AM DOINE WITH THE BOTH OF THEM.

Paypal sucks... always has, always will.