Baseball Pics up...

[Poochiesdead]

http://www.spawn.com/news/news3.aspx?id=13464

[quiggle]

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_01_dp.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_03_dl.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_05_dp.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/yankees2pack/images/other_yankees2pack_photo_01_dp.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/yankees2pack/images/other_yankees2pack_photo_04_dp.jpg

[bearoh]

unbelievable!!! :mad:

[bigcheez99]

None of the pics really stand out.
THREE Yankees, nice :P

[PSU54321]

is that griffey or deuce mcallister

[rupy017]

OVERDONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rupy017]

How many times is Jeter gonna be released in THAT pose?

[quiggle]

I should have posted the other photos more relevant to the Jackie Robinson special "42"

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_02_dp.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_04_dl.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_06_dp.jpg

[Fish16]

that Griffey is brutal!!!

[TheRiddler]

FAIL

[rupy017]

that Griffey is brutal!!!

The only thing good about that Griffey is the face.

[roody pooh jabroni]

{shakes head}...........putting the Griffey in arguable the worst SP ever made.......

Looks like I will get to save some money with the Yankees 3-pack, and the Jackie 3-pack......

Terry

[jetsman89]

Was hoping for them to use an older pose on Griffey(Bonds series 2 with different arm), but not the Ordonez/Kent pose.

Plus Cano is likely to be moved in the offseason

[Poochiesdead]

The only thing good about that Griffey is the face.And even that is off. Why would he be smiling if he's running that hard?

[UFCFan]

The Griffey looks comical. Thank God we are getting the other one (at least for now). Also, Jeter looks like one of the demons on the show Supernatural.

[rupy017]

Speaking of that Griffey/Maggs pose, how sweet would it be if WE could get the option of retiring 1 pose per sport?

[Poochiesdead]

{shakes head}...........putting the Griffey in arguable the worst SP ever made.......

Looks like I will get to save some money with the Yankees 3-pack, and the Jackie 3-pack......

TerryThere really weren't too many they could use. Mark said they couldn't use any hitting poses because his stance and swing are unique, and they needed a pose with long sleeves cause he wore them both years on Jackie Robinson day.

[dingdongdunn44]

All I gotta say is, they better not F up Griffey in the regular series or I might quit collecting forever. Man... seriously... why that pose?

[roody pooh jabroni]

When they took that photo of the Griffey......it went a little something like this:

Photographer: "OK Ben, when I tell you to stop holding it, get out of the way, so I can take a picture of it real quick before it falls on it's side, because of how bad it leans"

Ben Vance: "No problem......ready.......1........2.......3..............QUICK SHOOT THE PICTURE!!!!"

:)

Terry

[bearoh]

I'd prefer this 2 pack.

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/mlb11/arodriguez3/images/mlb11_arodriguez3_photo_01_dp.jpg

http://www.spawn.com/toys/baseball/mlb22/djeter4/images/mlb22_djeter4_photo_03_dp.jpg

[The Trove]

Speaking of that Griffey/Maggs pose, how sweet would it be if WE could get the option of retiring 1 pose per sport?

In football it should be the Oden pose, enough is enough.

[DMidge12]

Im not gonna lie..that griffey is the worst baseball pose EVER! This is a real disapointment. I was hoping for the Garret ANderson/Josh Hamilton or maybe even the Palmerio pose, but not this....I so had hoped that we were done with this pose forever, but I guess not.
Vernon Wells will probably get this pose too once he finally comes out

[Ben Vance]

And even that is off. Why would he be smiling if he's running that hard?

He's grimacing not smiling

[IronLungs31]

The Griffey looks comical. Thank God we are getting the other one (at least for now). Also, Jeter looks like one of the demons on the show Supernatural.I think that you go to every thread just to hate. Wow. You are amazing.

[The Trove]

When they took that photo of the Griffey......it went a little something like this:

Photographer: "OK Ben, when I tell you to stop holding it, get out of the way, so I can take a picture of it real quick before it falls on it's side, because of how bad it leans"

Ben Vance: "No problem......ready.......1........2.......3..............QUICK SHOOT THE PICTURE!!!!"

:)

Terry

LOL

As bad as this Griffey looks (pose wise), somehow I like it :confused:. The likeness seems spot on.

[Team Rocket]

He's grimacing not smiling

Pulled hammy?

[rupy017]

When they took that photo of the Griffey......it went a little something like this:

Photographer: "OK Ben, when I tell you to stop holding it, get out of the way, so I can take a picture of it real quick before it falls on it's side, because of how bad it leans"

Ben Vance: "No problem......ready.......1........2.......3..............QUICK SHOOT THE PICTURE!!!!"

:)

Terry

HA HA HA!! That's funny right there! I'll tell you what. That's a funny joke, right there.

[Poochiesdead]

Pulled hammy?Well played sir. Well played. :)

[Paul755]

ugh...

[MikeMack335]

I was all excited about the 3 pack before the pics, now i dont even want one

[rupy017]

Im not gonna lie..that griffey is the worst baseball pose EVER! This is a real disapointment. I was hoping for the Garret ANderson/Josh Hamilton or maybe even the Palmerio pose, but not this....I so had hoped that we were done with this pose forever, but I guess not.
Vernon Wells will probably get this pose too once he finally comes out

You and I both know that Wells is NEVER getting a figure.

[AndyMatz]

Borinnnnnnnnnnng........... Booooooooooooo

[gretzky999]

what is new about the arod or jeter??

[EastcoastSean]

Who the hell would buy this crap? really? TMP has gone to hell and a hand basket. Who is running the show over their? damn, the end is very near.........

[rupy017]

what is new about the arod or jeter??

Now they'll be in the NEW packaging.

DUH!!!!!!!!

[UFCFan]

I think that you go to every thread just to hate. Wow. You are amazing.

OOk, so now you're following me? What a wonderful way to spend your time, guy.

Listen. I was only pointing out in the other thread that a simple observation someone made was not "hating" (you seem to have a love affair with using that word). Your comments to Oaktown were simply ridiculous, and that is all I was saying. I wasn't "hating" on the custom or anything else. Really, it is quite fine for people to have differing opinions. Just because you are the recipient of that Terrell Davis custom does not mean you need to get your little undies in a bunch because someone else saw something they did not like about the way it looked. All that matters is that you are happy with it, right?

Also, I do not go to every thread to "hate". Quite the contrary. I do, however, express my opinion freely. If I do not like something, I am going to say that. I am just as apt to say how much I like something as well. If you bothered to look at more than two posts, you might see that.

Have fun in your blissfully unaware Shangri-La, though, by all means. You seemingly taking so much offense does nothing but make me laugh. A sincere thank you for the entertainment value you are providing.

[donbeebe]

More lame products and lame poses.

Oh and nothing says Jackie Robinson tribute like Cano!:mad:

[ptrac30]

Please don't let that be the Griffey!!!!

[donbeebe]

OOk, so now you're following me? What a wonderful way to spend your time, guy.

Listen. I was only pointing out in the other thread that a simple observation someone made was not "hating" (you seem to have a love affair with using that word). Your comments to Oaktown were simply ridiculous, and that is all I was saying. I wasn't "hating" on the custom or anything else. Really, it is quite fine for people to have differing opinions. Just because you are the recipient of that Terrell Davis custom does not mean you need to get your little undies in a bunch because someone else saw something they did not like about the way it looked. All that matters is that you are happy with it, right?

Also, I do not go to every thread to "hate". Quite the contrary. I do, however, express my opinion freely. If I do not like something, I am going to say that. I am just as apt to say how much I like something as well. If you bothered to look at more than two posts, you might see that.

Have fun in your blissfully unaware Shangri-La, though, by all means. You seemingly taking so much offense does nothing but make me laugh. A sincere thank you for the entertainment value you are providing.

Ironlung will never get it. He compares getting a bad paint job on a Mcfarlane figure to rape, so you gotta know he will never understand this.

[mfan]

Well, here's the good news guys. TMP has finally stopped misrepresenting its product. No more showing us perfectly painted samples only to have us find crap on the shelves. Check out Griffey and Cano. Gonna need a lot of Testor's Dull Cote on those babies. They look just like Mantle and Maris. Of course Mark and Ben will say "we can't see what you are talking about."

[Team Rocket]

Five pictures there and none in hitting poses. I found that interesting.

[KingRizza]

Absolute Garbage......Griffey running? Cano? and if you can't put out something like griffey in a batting pose, then pick someone else that you can do a lot better job with
Two more of the same figure, Arod and Jeter.....yankees to boot...

i never complain, i think they're the coolest things available but its' pretty pathetic of what they're putting out.....more money in my pocket....

[DMidge12]

Absolute Garbage......Griffey running? Cano? and if you can't put out something like griffey in a batting pose, then pick someone else that you can do a lot better job with
Two more of the same figure, Arod and Jeter.....yankees to boot...

i never complain, i think they're the coolest things available but its' pretty pathetic of what they're putting out.....more money in my pocket....

I myself agree...I usually never complain...overall I really like these figuresbut....Im pretty sure this is the exact same ARod we got in series 14. I understand the Jeter has been updated to not have the ingraved pinstripes, which I think it cool, but why is ARod the same thing as before? Is there something Im not seeing?

[AndyMatz]

My first reaction, before I realized what was going on was "Why is somebody posting pictures of old & tired figures?"....... After I read the whole post my reaction is now "Why is somebody posting pictures of old and tired figures?"........ :rolleyes:

[banasma]

i read what everyone said and it makes me laugh that people are acting suprised that cano is in this three pack and they had a yankee two pack...this news came out months ago and everyone complained then about it...the cano is a strech since he was named after jackie...the griffey is yes terrible and i understand all the complaints but why are you suprised what figures they are we were already told.

[banasma]

the arod had long sleeves and now has short sleeves and the first had sunglasses this doesnt....real original i know....we get misled and down right lied to anymore...wonder if we will really see the mlb legends figs today....getting ready for more disappointment

[AS251BR]

what is new about the arod or jeter??

I believe the A-Rod has no changes but the Jeter is the first time (I think) with "painted" pinstripes. The first one had grooves.

[SDhalcon]

the arod had long sleeves and now has short sleeves and the first had sunglasses this doesnt....real original i know....we get misled and down right lied to anymore...wonder if we will really see the mlb legends figs today....getting ready for more disappointment

Then be disappointed. Ben's response Re: Cooperstown from today's update...

It didn't get approved last minute, sorry fellas. I was really excited to hear what you guys had to say about this one. Hopefully next week!

[TastySweetNutz]

I think that you go to every thread just to hate. Wow. You are amazing.

Ummmm...I don't see "hating" in his comment. He's pointing out Jeter's eyes which are accurate in his description. The first thing I thought when I saw the fig was that Jeter looks like his eyes are dilated.

[Cjp2]

Men up till now, from the Baseball pics i have seen i won't be buying nothing at all (maybe just Chipper Jones because of his face looks just like him)....But c'mon TMP i am a baseball only collector and also a Yankee fan, and the first Posada in pinstripes with catcher gear is a Twin (ironic don't you think) of Joe Maur figure, why didn't you just painted the S6 one with pinstripes, and the Defensive 2-Pk nothing new there...I thin Cano is the better one cause at leas he is in a grey uni with anothe rnumber and patches.....

[AS251BR]

My guess, since it'll be with Robinson and Cano, both running poses (Cano's isn't running the bases but it's still a "running" pose), it'll probably be either the Ordonez/Kent sculpt or the Palmeiro sculpt.

:)

[Honolulu Blue]

Well, here's the good news guys. TMP has finally stopped misrepresenting its product. No more showing us perfectly painted samples only to have us find crap on the shelves. Check out Griffey and Cano. Gonna need a lot of Testor's Dull Cote on those babies. They look just like Mantle and Maris. Of course Mark and Ben will say "we can't see what you are talking about."

The Attack of the Molded Color Plastic.

No Paint For You!! :D

[ryan_G]

There is a poll on the front page:

Which MLB pack has you cheering?

Jackie Robinson Day 3-pack
or
New York Yankees 2-pack

Where is our choice of neither, they both have us laughing actually.

[SDhalcon]

The Attack of the Molded Color Plastic.

No Paint For You!! :D

Those pics, especially the grey unis, are absolutely NOT painted? But they are painted according to Ben. Those are some of the worst pics TMP has ever posted. I shudder to think what the actual SP's will look like.Try to explain your way out of this one...
Today’s News (http://www.spawn.com/news/) section is loaded with new baseball photography, as we will be showing painted samples of the Yankees 2-pack and Jackie Robinson 3-pack!

[Hardcore Legend]

You're going to fix that Griffey figure, right?

Those sleeves are wrong.
http://www.laist.com/attachments/tony/kengriffeyjrrules.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/writers/john_donovan/07/19/griffey.reds/t1_ken_griffey.jpg
http://spawn.com/toys/baseball/other/jrobinson3pack/images/other_jrobinson3pack_photo_06_dp.jpg

How does MLB approve this stuff? Do they have trained monkeys in their licensing department?

[ryan_G]

You're going to fix that Griffey figure, right?

Those sleeves are wrong.


How does MLB approve this stuff? Do they have trained monkeys in their licensing department?

Maybe with the economy so bad, they let them go to cut costs and this is why we are seeing these issues come up, for example the color of the philly jersey's that was provideed by the MLB. :confused:.

[Point65]

Well, it looks like I'll finally be picking up that ever-elusive Yankees ARod fig I can't even get in trade. I'm still looking for the Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson figs. Maybe there'll be a Yanks pitching legends 3-pack with Clemens1 in pinstripes!

[Hardcore Legend]

The massive piping. In real life, it is thin pipping.

On that figure, the pipping is 2 times too big. Look at the spacing of the logo, majestic, pipping. Because of the oversized pipping, they had to cram everything together.

[EDBSIP]

horrible

[SDhalcon]

The massive piping. In real life, it is thin pipping.

On that figure, the pipping is 2 times too big. Look at the spacing of the logo, majestic, pipping. Because of the oversized pipping, they had to cram everything together.

That's what I thought you were refering to. I've been as critical as next guy about TMP's lack of quality recently, but this doesn't bother me in the least. I'm more concerned about the complete lack of paint over the grey plastic. That's what truly looks awful. You could get a sunburn from that glare. :rolleyes:

[Chachi]

wow more Yankeees figures to sit and collect dust at TRU!

[classic]

The massive piping. In real life, it is thin pipping.

On that figure, the pipping is 2 times too big. Look at the spacing of the logo, majestic, pipping. Because of the oversized pipping, they had to cram everything together.

these are the complaints that are just ridiculous. its close enough to not cry over. its not like they put four stripes or different colored stripes on. most complaints on here are valid but its complaints like these that make mcfarlane dismiss all the valid complaints on here as nonsense.

now if you want to complain about the pose, fine. because the griffey may be the worst figure ive seen in a long time. id love to know why we cant get him in his classic swing stance

[Hardcore Legend]

these are the complaints that are just ridiculous. its close enough to not cry over. its not like they put four stripes or different colored stripes on. most complaints on here are valid but its complaints like these that make mcfarlane dismiss all the valid complaints on here as nonsense.

now if you want to complain about the pose, fine. because the griffey may be the worst figure ive seen in a long time. id love to know why we cant get him in his classic swing stance

Really? Complaints about either inaccuracy or poor paint application is 'ridiculous'?

Having the wrong shoes because of a reused pose is fine. Having the wrong glove because of a reused pose is fine.

But to just mispaint something just looks bad.

What if Yankee pinstripes were painted double-wide? Wouldn't that look ridiculous? Techinically they would have gotten the pinstripes on their, so why bother complaining...right?

I mean, I didn't even complain that the 'REDS' logo on the sleeve should be more grey than white because it is a color shifting logo. Nothing TMP can do about that, what, with only 1 paint stroke per figure.

[Hardcore Legend]

You know what pose would have been great for this Griffey?

The new Mariano Rivera pose. Could be of Griffey running out to his position, glove in hand.

[quiggle]

too bad the A-Rod and Jeter won't have on the 2009 Yankee Stadium patches

Cano's socks are also wrong, they were higher in that game.

most of you complaining will still end up getting them in the end, you'll see :)

[Hardcore Legend]

With the other Griffey coming out this year, I have no need to get either of these 2-packs.

[Chewdeezy]

I'll pick these up on clearance.

[deogg]

Ladies and gents, pics of what will be clogging pegs for a LONG time....

[No1CeltsFan]

some1 tell me why in God's name Ken Griffey Jr. is in that pose. I am absolutely disgusted right now. That 3 Pack was one of the best idea I had heard of when they announced it. I just ran to the News sections, so anxious to see the Griffey. I can't begin to explain my disapointment.

ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE!!!! BLAH!!!

[HenRoc]

Man, all of them are horrible, just a terrible move by TMP, what in the hell is calling the shots around here??

[icee82]

I want one of the Griffey's just because it is in a Reds' uniform. I would like a Robinson as well.

[fowee]

pass on both...they are saving me quite a bit of money

[mfan]

Here, let me help Ben out...

"Who makes better sports figures these days?"

[rupy017]

Here, let me help Ben out...

"Who makes better sports figures these days?"

That's not the point. Without competition, people seem to slack on the quailty of their product. SPs are a PRIME example.

[DoublePlay643]

thought there were Yankees were gonna be "turning Two" ....uhhh what happend with that...

[ogrjmj]

pass.

[AS251BR]

thought there were Yankees were gonna be "turning Two" ....uhhh what happend with that...

Where did you hear that? It was originally going to be a Yankees defensive 3-pack with Jeter, Rodriguez and Posada. But it was changed to a 2-pack when Posada replaced Melky Cabrera in the TRU line-up.

[kruzer31]

Then be disappointed. Ben's response Re: Cooperstown from today's update...

Yeah, todays baseball pics arent impressive at all and I will not be buying but there is no way they can screw up a Babe Ruth old school pitching, G.Brett, Bo Jacksoon and a Lou Gehrig. I know those are all must buys for me. I forget the other two,,,,Fingers? Eh......and the last I can not remember

I know TMP will do well next friday with the release of the next Cooperstown line

Jeff

[Green-eye Glow]

Man, all of them are horrible, just a terrible move by TMP, what in the hell is calling the shots around here??

mark chooses the poses... he's always been notorious for choosing bad poses for recycled figures

[dingdongdunn44]

Plus I think it's hilarious that he is running with his batting gloves off on the basebath. Show me when this happens. They were SOOOOOOOOOOOO keen on getting him with his sleeves on, but they couldn't do a hand swap with batting gloves or something. It's just a figure to laugh at. They have a lot of making up to do with this next Griffey figure. If they F it up, they could lose a lot of customers.

[tgriffey30]

Not a fan of the Griffey at all!

[AS251BR]

Yeah, todays baseball pics arent impressive at all and I will not be buying but there is no way they can screw up a Babe Ruth old school pitching, G.Brett, Bo Jacksoon and a Lou Gehrig. I know those are all must buys for me. I forget the other two,,,,Fingers? Eh......and the last I can not remember

I know TMP will do well next friday with the release of the next Cooperstown line

Jeff

Nolan Ryan 3 bloody lip version.

[Mark Weber]

we get misled and down right lied to anymore...

Examples, please.

[Mark Weber]

Plus I think it's hilarious that he is running with his batting gloves off on the basebath. Show me when this happens. They were SOOOOOOOOOOOO keen on getting him with his sleeves on, but they couldn't do a hand swap with batting gloves or something. It's just a figure to laugh at. They have a lot of making up to do with this next Griffey figure. If they F it up, they could lose a lot of customers.

It's hard to "hand-swap" a figure without an articulation cut there to work with. Given that Griffey was in this set per Rachel Robinson's request, what pose (representing his 2007 or 2008 JRD games) would have been more accurate?

[Mark Weber]

mark chooses the poses... he's always been notorious for choosing bad poses for recycled figures

That's not even close to true. I provide Todd with several pose options for a head-swap figure and he chooses the poses. Where did you get that idea GEG?

And again, which pose would you have chosen for Griffey as a head-swap to be as accurate as possible for the 2007 or 2008 JRD games?

[Cjp2]

That's not even close to true. I provide Todd with several pose options for a head-swap figure and he chooses the poses. Where did you get that idea GEG?

And again, which pose would you have chosen for Griffey as a head-swap to be as accurate as possible for the 2007 or 2008 JRD games?

Mark i am really tired of TMP acting like you guys always have the reason...I mean c'mon is it so hard 2 just get A-Rod socks high for that 2 pack figure...What do you guys think we are idiots, i mean i am gonna buy a Yankee 2-Pk because you painted A-Rod glove black, my S14 A-Rod already has short sleeves cause i swap them with the A-Rod S8 figure...Mark facce it it's tie for you 2:

1- Man up and tell us what is that is affecting the quality of TMP (Economy, you don't about customer anymore, or anything else)

2- And start been original again...Not just using same poses 100 times (MLB 23 sucks)

All this coming from a guy who never complains and only collects MLB figures.....

[shaotime]

I don't collect MLB but I think the Griffey looks nice, though maybe suffering from the Terrell Owens CE Syndrome a bit. Good to have a running pose mixed in because all the pitching and hitting poses start to look the same after a while.

The Jeter looks possessed.

[Poochiesdead]

Mark i am really tired of TMP acting like you guys always have the reason...I mean c'mon is it so hard 2 just get A-Rod socks high for that 2 pack figure...What do you guys think we are idiots, i mean i am gonna buy a Yankee 2-Pk because you painted A-Rod glove black, my S14 A-Rod already has short sleeves cause i swap them with the A-Rod S8 figure...Mark facce it it's tie for you 2:

1- Man up and tell us what is that is affecting the quality of TMP (Economy, you don't about customer anymore, or anything else)

2- And start been original again...Not just using same poses 100 times (MLB 23 sucks)

All this coming from a guy who never complains and only collects MLB figures.....Mark has said a few times that the economy, among other things, is affecting the figures. As for poses, MLB 23 is the TRU line. It has qalways been old poses since they started making it. And it would not be very cost effective to create new legs for a 2 pack which will probably be limited in supply.

I'm not trying to defend TMP but I'm tired of people complaining about the same stuff over and over and over when we already know the reasons.

[quiggle]

I think it's time TMP lets us collectors here decide on the pose for figures, they choose which figures are made and we vote which reused pose it will be.

[AS251BR]

What do you guys think we are idiots, i mean i am gonna buy a Yankee 2-Pk because you painted A-Rod glove black, my S14 A-Rod already has short sleeves cause i swap them with the A-Rod S8 figure.

The 2-packs and 3-packs have always been directed towards casual customers and new collectors. They make a little change for the "hardcore" collectors that want everything. It's the whole point of a box set. Think about DVD box sets. Let's say you bought every movie of a trilogy when they first came out on dvd individually. Then later a box set of the trilogy comes out. Now, is that box set meant for somebody like you or somebody that doesn't own the movies? It's basically the same thing with SP's. Make sense?

[LeftHighKick]

This is embarrassing.

[SeattleMariners51445]

TMP no longer cares about anything.

[HeatPhinMarlinCanesFan305]

im not sure but i think i saw a-rod's old pose of this same one with sunshades on his cap, i maybe wrong idk...my only complaint is griffeys choice of pose, hes getting released with his own figure in one of the future lineups as well right? do we know if its gonna be on a CWS jersey or reds? and i hope its a batting pose then...only would make sense for his milestone achievement this past year

[Chewdeezy]

Remember, this is just a TRU line, they aren't going to be new poses and every figure will be a head swap.

So with that said, I think the choices for the poses aren't too bad because they aren't a lot to work around with.

[SeattleMariners51445]

That's not the point. Without competition, people seem to slack on the quailty of their product. SPs are a PRIME example.
EA Sports and Madden is another fine example. I'll buy and play the game anyways but there's no longer another football game to choose from.

[banasma]

Examples, please.

Examples, show me where the jeter and arod are new painted uniforms, which you claimed, the pinstripes on the Jeter are now painted? great we were expecting maybe a grey variation of the arod, no it is nearly the exact same paint job.....you claimed the non paint was a factory mistake, then claimed it was cost cutting, which is it? please make up your mind what really happened....

[rupy017]

The 2-packs and 3-packs have always been directed towards casual customers and new collectors. They make a little change for the "hardcore" collectors that want everything. It's the whole point of a box set. Think about DVD box sets. Let's say you bought every movie of a trilogy when they first came out on dvd individually. Then later a box set of the trilogy comes out. Now, is that box set meant for somebody like you or somebody that doesn't own the movies? It's basically the same thing with SP's. Make sense?

The only purpose a complete trilogy box set has is to rip-off the consumers of more money. Sure, you already bought the 3 movies separately. But now, they have the limited edition official 6 disc trilogy collector's edition with 18 hours of special features that they could have just included on the first 3 disc releases.

[rupy017]

EA Sports and Madden is another fine example. I'll buy and play the game anyways but there's no longer another football game to choose from.

Actually, Madden impressed me this year. They finally fixed certain things. A WR can now catch a ball on the sidelines and drag both feet. I never understood when they changed stupid little things like you can now control your blocker. Seriously? People wanted that option?

[banasma]

this is a stretch but i want to know what people think......mark says what pose would be better for the griffey, What do you think about the Scott Podsednik pose, it has the sleeves griffey wears, it falls in with the running sliding theme of the three pack, the only thing maybe the body structure of scott compared to girffey, what are your thoughts about that......think it may have been much better than the running pose.



just looked at the stats

Girffey 6'3 230

Podsednik 6'2 190

pretty close to me

[AS251BR]

...my only complaint is griffeys choice of pose, hes getting released with his own figure in one of the future lineups as well right? do we know if its gonna be on a CWS jersey or reds? and i hope its a batting pose then...only would make sense for his milestone achievement this past year

Yes, he's getting another figure later. It will be in whoever he signs with in the off season. And if the guesses on the shadows are right, it will be a hitting pose.

.....you claimed the non paint was a factory mistake, then claimed it was cost cutting, which is it? please make up your mind what really happened....

You're confusing things. The non-paint is a factory error. The cost cutting is using colored plastic with light coats of paint. They haven't said anything different. You're just mixing "non-painted" and "colored plastic with light paint" as the same thing.

The only purpose a complete trilogy box set has is to rape the consumers of more money. Sure, you already bought the 3 movies separately. But now, they have the limited edition official 6 disc trilogy collector's edition with 18 hours of special features that they could have just included on the first 3 disc releases.

I like the Bourne movies. I don't own any but when I do, I'd like to purchase the box set. See how it works? Oh, and did you see the pics of MLB 23? :p

this is a stretch but i want to know what people think......mark says what pose would be better for the griffey, What do you think about the Scott Podsednik pose, it has the sleeves griffey wears, it falls in with the running sliding theme of the three pack, the only thing maybe the body structure of scott compared to girffey, what are your thoughts about that......think it may have been much better than the running pose.



just looked at the stats

Girffey 6'3 230

Podsednik 6'2 190

pretty close to me

40lbs heavier and only an inch taller is a pretty good size difference. Also, how often does Griffey slide head first? That and he has 17 SBs in the last 9 seasons.

The only other one I think would work would be the Palmeiro but did Griffey have his fist in the air on JRD? Probably not.

Personally I'm okay with the pose because it's what I expected. And I think the sculpts okay, I don't really get all the hate for it.

[Poochiesdead]

The only other one I think would work would be the Palmeiro but did Griffey have his fist in the air on JRD? Probably not.Long sleeves...

[Poochiesdead]

i agree witht the 40 pounds difference but the one inch you would not be able to tell.....the podsednik is not sliding head first and it does not have to be a stolen base im sure he slides feet first into second or third...Not like that. The Tejada would fit Griffey better but again, long sleeves.

[banasma]

tejada 5'9 215 thats worse then the podsednik

[UFCFan]

Yes, he's getting another figure later. It will be in whoever he signs with in the off season. And if the guesses on the shadows are right, it will be a hitting pose.



You're confusing things. The non-paint is a factory error. The cost cutting is using colored plastic with light coats of paint. They haven't said anything different. You're just mixing "non-painted" and "colored plastic with light paint" as the same thing.



I like the Bourne movies. I don't own any but when I do, I'd like to purchase the box set. See how it works? Oh, and did you see the pics of MLB 23? :p



40lbs heavier and only an inch taller is a pretty good size difference. Also, how often does Griffey slide head first? That and he has 17 SBs in the last 9 seasons.

The only other one I think would work would be the Palmeiro but did Griffey have his fist in the air on JRD? Probably not.

Personally I'm okay with the pose because it's what I expected. And I think the sculpts okay, I don't really get all the hate for it.

You really are like Mark, Jr. around here sometimes.

[Team Rocket]

Actually, Madden impressed me this year. They finally fixed certain things. A WR can now catch a ball on the sidelines and drag both feet. I never understood when they changed stupid little things like you can now control your blocker. Seriously? People wanted that option?

Wait, you didn't use the playmaker control? It was actually a very useful feature. It always bothered me when my fullback would pick up someone I could run right by, to leave me leveled by a safety. Have fullback take out safety, run by linebacker, spring for touchdown.

[AS251BR]

You really are like Mark, Jr. around here sometimes.

Why, because I know Griffey has another figure coming out, the issuses of the new paint applications (that have been repeated over and over yet people still don't understand and want to call TMP liars), understanding the purpose of any type of box set and how I think that the Podsednik sculpt would be a bad choice for Griffey?

I guess I could just say this instead...

I won't buy the Yankee 2-pack because I already have the figures and you guys just had to save money by releasing the same exact figures AGAIN! Man, you guys are losing customers. And don't give me any BS about it being painted stripes because you guys don't USE paint anymore!!!! Cano sucks, already have Robinson and I'll wait for Griffey (that is if you don't **** it up again!!!!). Thanks for saving me money TMP!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: Oh and why don't you come out with a young stars 3-pack with Ryan Dourmit, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Markakis?!?!?!?! That would totally outsell any Yankee$ or Red $ux figures that are always clogging the pegs.

:D

[Poochiesdead]

Oh and why don't you come out with a young stars 3-pack with Ryan Dourmit, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Markakis?!?!?!?! That would totally outsell any Yankee$ or Red $ux figures that are always clogging the pegs.

:DYeah! :mad:

;)

[Team Rocket]

Why, because I know Griffey has another figure coming out, the issuses of the new paint applications (that have been repeated over and over yet people still don't understand and want to call TMP liars), understanding the purpose of any type of box set and how I think that the Podsednik sculpt would be a bad choice for Griffey?

I guess I could just say this instead...

I won't buy the Yankee 2-pack because I already have the figures and you guys just had to save money by releasing the same exact figures AGAIN! Man, you guys are losing customers. And don't give me any BS about it being painted stripes because you guys don't USE paint anymore!!!! Cano sucks, already have Robinson and I'll wait for Griffey (that is if you don't **** it up again!!!!). Thanks for saving me money TMP!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: Oh and why don't you come out with a young stars 3-pack with Ryan Dourmit, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Markakis?!?!?!?! That would totally outsell any Yankee$ or Red $ux figures that are always clogging the pegs.

:D

OMG ADRIAN GONZALEZ IS A BEAST HE WOULD SO OUTSELL ALL THESE YANKEE$ REPAINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[zurita54]

I would love an Adrian Gonzalez figure and would even take a head swap

[Donnellk13]

40lbs heavier and only an inch taller is a pretty good size difference. Also, how often does Griffey slide head first? That and he has 17 SBs in the last 9 seasons.

The only other one I think would work would be the Palmeiro but did Griffey have his fist in the air on JRD? Probably not.

Personally I'm okay with the pose because it's what I expected. And I think the sculpts okay, I don't really get all the hate for it.

The Posednik pose is feet first and just because he is sliding doesn't mean he is stealing a base that pose would have been alot better than that stupid running pose.

[Poochiesdead]

The Posednik pose is feet first and just because he is sliding doesn't mean he is stealing a base that pose would have been alot better than that stupid running pose.Again Griffey slides (well he doesn't really anymore but that's besides the point) more like the Tejada pose than the Podsednik pose.

And no it would not have been better. It doesn't fit Griffey at all.

[Donnellk13]

Again Griffey slides (well he doesn't really anymore but that's besides the point) more like the Tejada pose than the Podsednik pose.

And no it would not have been better. It doesn't fit Griffey at all.

Tejada pose doesnt have long sleeves so its not an option

Thanks for giving me MY OPINION.

And this running pose fits Griffey?

[Team Rocket]

Tejada pose doesnt have sleeves so its not an option

So the moral of the story is, both poses are worse than the pose TMP decided upon.

[Donnellk13]

So the moral of the story is, both poses are worse than the pose TMP decided upon.

If thats they way your story goes.

I still think it would have looked better in the Posednik pose.

[Poochiesdead]

And this running pose fits Griffey?It's a generic running pose. As long as the player isn't a twig it fits anyone.

Oh and you're welcome. ;)

[AS251BR]

The Posednik pose is feet first and just because he is sliding doesn't mean he is stealing a base that pose would have been alot better than that stupid running pose.

I can see where you think it's feet first but look at it again. He's sliding head first and then calling for time. Nobody slides feet first like that, on their side and coming at the base at that angle (from the second basemen's position) and if he's sliding feet first then why is the front of his jersey all dirty? Even the dirt on the ground and the base is showing that he slid head first.

Head first, calling for time...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb16_spodsednik_photo_02_dl.jpg

Feet first...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb5_mtejada_photo_02_dp.jpg

[DoublePlay643]

Where did you hear that? It was originally going to be a Yankees defensive 3-pack with Jeter, Rodriguez and Posada. But it was changed to a 2-pack when Posada replaced Melky Cabrera in the TRU line-up.
Thats what I heard... Fugedaboudit....:rolleyes:

[Chewdeezy]

These poses are terrible for Griffey.

I can see where you think it's feet first but look at it again. He's sliding head first and then calling for time. Nobody slides feet first like that, on their side and coming at the base at that angle (from the second basemen's position) and if he's sliding feet first then why is the front of his jersey all dirty? Even the dirt on the ground and the base is showing that he slid head first.

Head first, calling for time...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb16_spodsednik_photo_02_dl.jpg

Feet first...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb5_mtejada_photo_02_dp.jpg

[Donnellk13]

I can see where you think it's feet first but look at it again. He's sliding head first and then calling for time. Nobody slides feet first like that, on their side and coming at the base at that angle (from the second basemen's position) and if he's sliding feet first then why is the front of his jersey all dirty? Even the dirt on the ground and the base is showing that he slid head first.

Head first, calling for time...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb16_spodsednik_photo_02_dl.jpg

Feet first...
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y288/as251b/mlb5_mtejada_photo_02_dp.jpg

Yea youre right I just looked at the pose quickly. Either one would have been a bad pose but I like the Posednik better

[quiggle]

how come Griffey doesn't have the Joe Nuxhall patch on right sleeve?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eSz9fc5Xz7X9/610x.jpg

[AS251BR]

Yea youre right I just looked at the pose quickly. Either one would have been a bad pose but I like the Posednik better

Yeah, from the other side of the figure at first look, I can definitely see how anybody could see it as a feet first slide.

[quiggle]

those who are complaining of the Griffey pose at least we're going to get this really nice and unique decal on the back of the batting helmet!! :)

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/images/2007/04/15/qFyp9fXj.jpg

[Patsfan]

Thank god I dont collect anymore because I would have to suck it up and pay for the Griffey, now I can do something better with that money like throw it in my fireplace or wipe my ------ , well you know what I mean :mad::mad::D

Bad, VERY BAD :mad::rolleyes:. Cant believe these figures are going down hill so much :(:(

[UFCFan]

Why, because I know Griffey has another figure coming out, the issuses of the new paint applications (that have been repeated over and over yet people still don't understand and want to call TMP liars), understanding the purpose of any type of box set and how I think that the Podsednik sculpt would be a bad choice for Griffey?

I guess I could just say this instead...

I won't buy the Yankee 2-pack because I already have the figures and you guys just had to save money by releasing the same exact figures AGAIN! Man, you guys are losing customers. And don't give me any BS about it being painted stripes because you guys don't USE paint anymore!!!! Cano sucks, already have Robinson and I'll wait for Griffey (that is if you don't **** it up again!!!!). Thanks for saving me money TMP!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: Oh and why don't you come out with a young stars 3-pack with Ryan Dourmit, Adrian Gonzalez and Nick Markakis?!?!?!?! That would totally outsell any Yankee$ or Red $ux figures that are always clogging the pegs.

:D

No, because you are ALWAYS the first person to "correct" people or give reasons as to why things are the way they are. Not just some of the time, but ALL the time. It never fails. Also, your tone or writing style often smacks of Mark's.

I'm not condemning you for it or anything. You know damn well I have defended you on quite a few occasions and that I sometimes am right there with you playing devil's advocate to quite a few of those ridiculous posts like the example you made up. The thing is, it's ok to just let a few go now and then. Really, the world will not completely fall apart (well, any more than it already has :) ). Nine times out of ten, I back you, but every once in a while, because you have to do it constantly, it comes across as a bit irksome. Not quite as much as the posts you are setting straight, but enough for me to point it out. Just remember-you can't fix stupid, no matter how hard you try. You can make a valid point on every little thing people ***** about, and 30 people will still come into the thread and continue to make the same stupid posts about the very thing you were pointing out. Look at something like the Cornerback figure poll from this last week, for example. Mark said in the first post that Ronde Barber need not be mentioned because they already knew how highly requested he was, and then later in the thread, about 10 people pissed and moaned that he wasn't on the list.

Rant over. Carry on, good soldier.

[Mark Weber]

Mark i am really tired of TMP acting like you guys always have the reason...I mean c'mon is it so hard 2 just get A-Rod socks high for that 2 pack figure...What do you guys think we are idiots, i mean i am gonna buy a Yankee 2-Pk because you painted A-Rod glove black, my S14 A-Rod already has short sleeves cause i swap them with the A-Rod S8 figure...Mark facce it it's tie for you 2:

1- Man up and tell us what is that is affecting the quality of TMP (Economy, you don't about customer anymore, or anything else)

2- And start been original again...Not just using same poses 100 times (MLB 23 sucks)

All this coming from a guy who never complains and only collects MLB figures.....

CJP - We have reasons for every decision we make, and while you may not like or agree with them, I hope you at least respect that the company comes to the Web site to answer question and address concerns.

Every toy we've ever made has a "profitability responsibility" i.e. Todd's business is making toys, and we are more fiscally conscious than ever in the face of a struggling economy, shrinking toy aisles and the spike in our always-rising production costs. Todd thinks it's a better business decision to try and preserve our current price point while finding ways to make our production costs more affordable (cardboard backs, colored plastic molds, displaced chase figures, slightly more re-used poses).

When we're making lineups or boxed set items, the very start of the process is a financial analysis that tells me what our options are from a construction standpoint - for the two MLB 3-packs, the formula was two new heads and four re-paints. The original plan gavea new head to each set: Griffey Jr. to the Jackie Robinson 3-pack, and Posada to the Yankees 3-pack. Posada replaced Melky Cabrera in MLB 23 following his 2008 struggles, leaving Jeter and A-Rod as a two-pack. Todd selected the original A-Rod 2 pose to offer a short-sleeved version rather than the long-sleeved one put offered in the MLB 17 lineup. Jeter gets the painted pinstripe treatment, and a re-work of his MLB 2 figure, which hasn't been available since a gray jersey re-paint in 2003's MLB 5.

As always, we tried to make a boxed set to appeal to mass consumers as well as dedicated collectors. The removal of the Posada 3 figure tilts that blanace ad makes the Yankee 2-pack more of a mass consumer item. Head-swapping A-Rod onto another sculpt with high socks (there aren't many to choose from) would have meant turning Griffey Jr. or Posada into re-paints rather than head-swap figures (remember we've only got two head-swaps to work with on these two box sets). Griffey needed a different pose since he wore vests on his two previous figures but not on JRD, and Posada needed a new pose since his second figure had structural issues and his originalfigure has outdated catching equipment on it. Factor in that a new A-Rod figure is also coming to stores everywhere two months later in Wave 1 of our 2009 MLB products.

There you have it - I'm not expecting you to change your opinion of these items, obviously they don't do much for you. But I hope you understand the decision-making process a little better.

As for the MLB 23 lineup you think "sucks", I offer the same exercise as usual: build a better MLB 23 lineup using four head-swaps and two re-paints with a heavy East Coast slant (per TRU's desires) and understand that this lineup was settled in April 2008.

[Mark Weber]

how come Griffey doesn't have the Joe Nuxhall patch on right sleeve?

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0eSz9fc5Xz7X9/610x.jpg

Todd has always eschewed replicating memorial patches or black stripes that commemorate someone's passing - in his opinion, he doesn't want to be viewed as "profiting from someone's passing."

[Hardcore Legend]

Needing a new head for Griffey doesn't excuse picking 1 of the 4 worst poses in SP history.

[Mark Weber]

Examples, show me where the jeter and arod are new painted uniforms, which you claimed, the pinstripes on the Jeter are now painted? great we were expecting maybe a grey variation of the arod, no it is nearly the exact same paint job.....you claimed the non paint was a factory mistake, then claimed it was cost cutting, which is it? please make up your mind what really happened....

Jeter is getting painted pinstripes which is how I always spoke about this figure - A-Rod is getting a pinstriped version of his second figure which has never been released.

As for the long-running"factory paint job" issue - Ben and I explained to you what was explained to us. When it seemed inaccurate, I pushed back and got you an official response from the head of our Design Group (second only to Todd in the entire company), the guy who have the best knowledge of the situation.

[Hardcore Legend]

A-Rod is getting a pinstriped version of his second figure which has never been released.
I can see the one on my shelf right now.

I'm sure this is just a typo.

[Poochiesdead]

Since you're in now Mark, will you guys be doing anything about the thick striping on the Griffey figure?

[quiggle]

Todd has always eschewed replicating memorial patches or black stripes that commemorate someone's passing - in his opinion, he doesn't want to be viewed as "profiting from someone's passing."

then TMP shouldn't be making legends figures of those players already deceased

[Hardcore Legend]

then TMP shouldn't be making legends figures of those players already deceased

Those people get paid, though. Nuxy's family wouldn't have seen a dime.

[quiggle]

Those people get paid, though. Nuxy's family wouldn't have seen a dime.

but what about the American flag patches on NBA jerseys and back of NFL helmets, weren't those in tribute of September 11th?

[Hardcore Legend]

They are league-wide standard issue and no one is going to automatically think of 1 person whenever they see that flag on the back of the helmet.

When you see 'Nuxy', '32', 'Baum', '57', etc. You know who it is.

[Mark Weber]

I can see the one on my shelf right now.

I'm sure this is just a typo.

With the added sculpted sleeves and re-positioned right hand, the fielding Yankees A-Rod is classified as "A-Rod 4" - his second figure (the short-sleeved backhand Rangers figure) has never been released in pinstripes.

[Mark Weber]

Needing a new head for Griffey doesn't excuse picking 1 of the 4 worst poses in SP history.

Again, open for suggestions for a pose that better replicates what Griffey wore and did during the Jackie Robinson Day games of 2007 or 2008.

[Mark Weber]

then TMP shouldn't be making legends figures of those players already deceased

No offense quiggle but that's a really lame post. Obviously the estates of these players are compensated for the use of their likeness. In this example (if we'd painted the patch on Griffey) Nuxhall's estate would not have been compensated.

[Mark Weber]

Since you're in now Mark, will you guys be doing anything about the thick striping on the Griffey figure?

I can ask them to take a look at it.

[Hardcore Legend]

With the added sculpted sleeves and re-positioned right hand, the fielding Yankees A-Rod is classified as "A-Rod 4" - his second figure (the short-sleeved backhand Rangers figure) has never been released in pinstripes.

Ok, that's an awfully technical splitting of hairs. I think part of the frustration people have with TMP these days is that the 'rules' seem to change on the fly.

Again, open for suggestions for a pose that better replicates what Griffey wore and did during the Jackie Robinson Day games of 2007 or 2008.

Mariano Rivera 2.
Garrett Anderson.

[Donnellk13]

Ok, that's an awfully technical splitting of hairs. I think part of the frustration people have with TMP these days is that the 'rules' seem to change on the fly.



Mariano Rivera 2.
Garrett Anderson.

Doesnt have sleeves so it cant be used

[quiggle]

No offense quiggle but that's a really lame post. Obviously the estates of these players are compensated for the use of their likeness. In this example (if we'd painted the patch on Griffey) Nuxhall's estate would not have been compensated.

none at all taken Mark, it's good to be candid :)

[trevisw513]

that Griffey is brutal!!!

Was going to puchase that 3 pack, but NOT now that pose is AwFuL!!! :mad:

[cubsfan74]

Needing a new head for Griffey doesn't excuse picking 1 of the 4 worst poses in SP history.

Also one of the worst MLB leaners. Did the same sculptor do both the CE TO head and Griffey's head? What's up with the goofy smiles :confused: .

[XhenoX]

McFarlane is getting lazy with the Yankees (let alone other teams.) I mean, its bad enough they make about six Jeters, why are you going to create the same mold ($$$). Heck, Mold Thurman Munson, Whitey Ford, Lou Pinella, Willie Randolph, Hell, Dave Winfield ( and make a SD padre Variant)

I couldn't believe it when they put Jeter's Head (FanFest edition) on Damon's Body "Step Statue". How about using Abreu's head on Bernie Williams Body? C'mon Mcfarlane, Keep it real. Enough with the jeters and pay tribute to other Yankees or for that batter, other Baseball Legends.

Your lowering the standards of your product my doing "Money Making" moves.

[LeftHighKick]

Box sets are for casual fans IE: NOT US

Just let them continue to gather dust on the shelves like the others, and eventually, hopefully before they close up shop, McFarlane will come back to us (the collector) and actually welcome and implement our suggestions.

[XhenoX]

Box Sets is how a got started, Damn that person that gave it to me, now my collection has grown to the point in which i am asking myself "what am i doing"? Now i am collecting these "Packs" in order to keep up.

[Hardcore Legend]

Doesnt have sleeves so it cant be used

Which begs the question: Why didn't TMP just bit the bullet and rush the Griffey 3 pose into production. Put the new figure in the Reds road unis for the boxset and have it be available for the Wave 3 or whatever it comes out in next year.

Why waste time with a terrible sculpt when you are already working on a player specific one?

[Team Rocket]

Which begs the question: Why didn't TMP just bit the bullet and rush the Griffey 3 pose into production. Put the new figure in the Reds road unis for the boxset and have it be available for the Wave 3 or whatever it comes out in next year.

Why waste time with a terrible sculpt when you are already working on a player specific one?

I don't think Junior hit a homerun on Jackie Robinson day.

[Donnellk13]

Which begs the question: Why didn't TMP just bit the bullet and rush the Griffey 3 pose into production. Put the new figure in the Reds road unis for the boxset and have it be available for the Wave 3 or whatever it comes out in next year.

Why waste time with a terrible sculpt when you are already working on a player specific one?

I totally agree. I was actuaclly wondering why they couldnt just paint the skin on the arms the color of the long sleve shirt he wears on Jackie Robinson Day. They are under armour type shirts so the muscle definition would still be there

[Donnellk13]

I don't think Junior hit a homerun on Jackie Robinson day.

that doesnt mean anything baseball players stop and stare at the ball everytime they hit it in the air

[Team Rocket]

that doesnt mean anything baseball players stop and stare at the ball everytime they hit it in the air

Griffey doesn't drop the bat and all for his pose there on flyouts.

[Donnellk13]

Griffey doesn't drop the bat and all for his pose there on flyouts.

Im not sure I get what you are trying to say but. Just because he is in a follow through pose doesn't me he is hitting a hr. And if you want to you the case of he didnt hit a hr in the Jackie Robinson Day games for all we know he didnt even reach base during those games do why is he rounding a base?

[Hardcore Legend]

Griffey hit Career HR #595 off of Ryan Dempster at Wrigley Field on April 16, 2008 wearing #42 in honor of Jackie Robinson.


http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200804152532413

[Team Rocket]

Griffey hit Career HR #595 off of Ryan Dempster at Wrigley Field on April 16, 2008 wearing #42 in honor of Jackie Robinson.


http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?mid=200804152532413

Oh, my bad then. For some reason I thought he hadn't.

[Mark Weber]

Again, open for suggestions for a pose that better replicates what Griffey wore and did during the Jackie Robinson Day games of 2007 or 2008.

Mariano Rivera 2. Garrett Anderson.

Mariano Rivera 2 is holding a left-handed fielding glove and Griffey uses a right-handed glove.

Garret Anderson is really good size match for Griffey, but Griffey wore long sleeves on Jackie Robinson Day in both 2007 and 2008:

http://houston.astros.mlb.com/images/2007/04/15/9x8qMAql.jpg

http://www.mlb.com/images/2008/04/15/xYqvJQMX.jpg

[Mark Weber]

Did the same sculptor do both the CE TO head and Griffey's head? What's up with the goofy smiles :confused: .

http://www.jaronlivingstonproductions.com/RkeF5vgM.jpg

http://blog.cleveland.com/sports/2008/06/juniorbk.jpg

http://www.theloveofsports.com/images/uploads/large/Griffey4.jpg

[Mark Weber]

Box sets are for casual fans IE: NOT US

Just let them continue to gather dust on the shelves like the others, and eventually, hopefully before they close up shop, McFarlane will come back to us (the collector) and actually welcome and implement our suggestions.

Make sure to vote in the Call Your Shot thread. :)

[Mark Weber]

Which begs the question: Why didn't TMP just bit the bullet and rush the Griffey 3 pose into production. Put the new figure in the Reds road unis for the boxset and have it be available for the Wave 3 or whatever it comes out in next year.

Why waste time with a terrible sculpt when you are already working on a player specific one?

Getting a figure ready four months early isn't quite that easy. At the time Griffey was put in the set he was still a Red, with Cincinnati owning his player option for 2009. Putting out the new sculpt Griffey figure as a Red in the JRD box set, then expecting people to buy it with just a paint change four months later is a bit of a stretch. It's easier to plan these things as you get closer to the release date, but making that sort of forecast one year out is far more difficult.

[Mark Weber]

Yeah.. can you find one of him flashing those pearly whites while hes running the basepaths?

Realistically, I doubt it, but if you were going to head-swap a player into a box set you'd probably want to give him a signature look as much as possible.

[SDhalcon]

Realistically, I doubt it, but if you were going to head-swap a player into a box set you'd probably want to give him a signature look as much as possible.

Oh my now that's comedy :rolleyes:. Signiture look? Isn't that what every collector on here has been asking for. TMP has had ample opportunity to produce Jr in his signiture follow through, and haven't produced. The only feasible reason is because that swing is so uniquely Griffey, that you couldn't reuse the pose. So instead of what truly represents Jr, we're told to accept his "signiture" goofy smile, while running the bases? :confused: :mad:

[Hardcore Legend]

Putting out the new sculpt Griffey figure as a Red in the JRD box set, then expecting people to buy it with just a paint change four months later is a bit of a stretch.
July 2006
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/other/tpolamalu-mhasselbeck/images/other_tpolamalu-mhasselbeck_photo_04_dp.jpg
November 2006
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/nfl14/tpolamalu/images/nfl14_tpolamalu_photo_03_dp.jpg

It's been done before. The Teddy Brusci was a reverse (single in September, box set in November)

Tony Romo of last year:
November (single)
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/nfl15/tromo/images/nfl15_tromo_photo_01_dp.jpg

October (3 pack)
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/other/3pack-cowboys2/images/other_3pack-cowboys2_photo_02_dp.jpg

And besides that, I don't understand that reasoning. By putting the new sculpt in a set that has a straight re-release of the Robinson figure and a repaint of an unpopular player, you increase the sales of the boxset, exponentially than releasing a goofy looking headsculpt on one of the worst poses ever by the company.

And it wouldn't effect the 2nd release of the figure. If Griffey retires, you make the 2nd figure in the road Reds pose (no sleeves) to commemorate #600 or you make it in the White Sox uni with sleeves. If he plays again next year, you paint it to that teams' needs.

Again, this is what I was talking about with the 'rules of operating' changing and it seeming to annoy collector's. Of course, those both were reused sculpts but that wasn't the point of what you said. You said it would be a stretch to make the consumer buy a figure because of paint changes. The TP got new sleeves and paint changes. The Romo got nothing more than paint changes. Same goes for the Brian Westbrook (1 month apart).

If anything, the 4 month gap increases the desire for the figure. People have a choice, get the new Griffey pose now (and get stuck with two rehashed figures) or be forced to wait 4 months. I think that's going to lead more people to buy the boxset now than putting that running pose in would.

[SDhalcon]

^^^Excellent post HL. Extra credit for the use of visual aides. :D
But you know they'll counter with the old "but those players you mentioned are Steelers and Cowboys. Both those teams routinely lead the league in sales... blah blah blah." :rolleyes:

[DMidge12]

Make us feel better...show us the new sculpt Griff...soon..please

[Mark Weber]

Oh my now that's comedy :rolleyes:. Signiture look? Isn't that what every collector on here has been asking for. TMP has had ample opportunity to produce Jr in his signiture follow through, and haven't produced. The only feasible reason is because that swing is so uniquely Griffey, that you couldn't reuse the pose. So instead of what truly represents Jr, we're told to accept his "signiture" goofy smile, while running the bases? :confused: :mad:

I hope "every" collector enjoyed his signature wall-crawl catch figure. :)

[Team Rocket]

I hope "every" collector enjoyed his signature wall-crawl catch figure. :)

We very much did. :)

(It was just that whole second figure thing that went wrong...)

[Mark Weber]

July 2006
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/other/tpolamalu-mhasselbeck/images/other_tpolamalu-mhasselbeck_photo_04_dp.jpg
November 2006
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/nfl14/tpolamalu/images/nfl14_tpolamalu_photo_03_dp.jpg

It's been done before. The Teddy Brusci was a reverse (single in September, box set in November)

Tony Romo of last year:
November (single)
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/nfl15/tromo/images/nfl15_tromo_photo_01_dp.jpg

October (3 pack)
http://www.spawn.com/toys/football/other/3pack-cowboys2/images/other_3pack-cowboys2_photo_02_dp.jpg

And besides that, I don't understand that reasoning. By putting the new sculpt in a set that has a straight re-release of the Robinson figure and a repaint of an unpopular player, you increase the sales of the boxset, exponentially than releasing a goofy looking headsculpt on one of the worst poses ever by the company.

And it wouldn't effect the 2nd release of the figure. If Griffey retires, you make the 2nd figure in the road Reds pose (no sleeves) to commemorate #600 or you make it in the White Sox uni with sleeves. If he plays again next year, you paint it to that teams' needs.

Again, this is what I was talking about with the 'rules of operating' changing and it seeming to annoy collector's. Of course, those both were reused sculpts but that wasn't the point of what you said. You said it would be a stretch to make the consumer buy a figure because of paint changes. The TP got new sleeves and paint changes. The Romo got nothing more than paint changes. Same goes for the Brian Westbrook (1 month apart).

If anything, the 4 month gap increases the desire for the figure. People have a choice, get the new Griffey pose now (and get stuck with two rehashed figures) or be forced to wait 4 months. I think that's going to lead more people to buy the boxset now than putting that running pose in would.

HL –
The Polamalu two-pack was set to include one head-swap and one re-paint. With Hasselbeck the most marketable Seahawk, he claimed the head-swap option. Since we wanted offense vs. defense that left us in a bind, as we had no already released figures from the Steelers defense. Todd decided to “borrow” one from that fall’s lineup and chose Polamalu over Porter citing his better sales potential and increased likelihood of staying in Pittsburgh for years to come. Todd understood that Polamlu’s insertion into the 2-pack might damage the sales of his single-packed figure, so he green-lighted sculpted sleeves for Polamalu and asked for the alternate jersey and a snowy finish too. Both items sold well for us, although the single-pack Polamalu was stronger.

Bruschi was a last-second fill-in for the Patriots 3-pack when Adam Vinatieri left for the Colts. He wasn’t initially planned for that series. Bruschi’s addition to the 3-pack hurt his individual figure sales.

For Romo, the happy confluence of a breakout QB for the best-selling team in America’s most popular sport kept his numbers robust (in both the 3-pack and the single carded figure). There was only a month difference between domestic release on those two products.

More to the point, Griffey’s new sculpt figure could not have been ready for this 3-pack. You can’t fast-track a new sculpt figure by four months without leaving a train wreck of other projects in its wake. We have basic “rules” that Todd makes his decisions by, but sometimes the unpredictable nature of sports make us try changes on the fly when pressured. Those are the exceptions, not the rule.

Hope that makes some sense – I didn’t notice a response to the Rivera/Anderson reasoning though. Did that make sense to you?

[Hardcore Legend]

My problem with it is that I can't imagine the Robinson 3-pack was a last minute decision. I was under the impression that Rachel Robinson specifically asked that Griffey be included in the set. So, there was time to be better prepared with a new Griffey sculpt. Not only that, but TMP had to know going into this season that Griffey would be reaching a career milestone and the demand on this board for an accurate Griffey sculpt was pretty high.

So, while I somewhat understand that it takes time to make a figure from a new sculpt, I don't see why that applies here. Unless the Robinson 3-pack was a last minute decision.

As to the explanations of the use of other figures in 3-packs, that is fine. But the problem I have is that if you can bend the rules in those specific instances, why not now when it is much more beneficial. I'm sorry, but this 3-pack I'm afraid won't have much selling power. The Robinson figure is a straight repacking, Robinson Cano might be dealt in the off-season and that Griffey pose is not very good (to be nice).

Various things could have been done with the Robinson figure (one of which would have been to do the 1951 uniforms as seen here)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/DIMPHardcore/robinson51.jpg

As you said, though, those above are the exceptions, not the rule. But in this case, it shouldn't have been the unpredictable nature of sports. You knew this set was coming out.

This was such a great idea for a 3-pack but the execution seems to be botched badly. I mean, Robinson will be the only figure in the 3 pack in his home uniform. Could have simply given us the Dodgers road greys as something new and increased the saleability of the product.

As far as the Anderson, I do understand the no sleeves part, although I guess I could have hoped for some resculpted sleeves (giving the pose increased life in the future). As far as the Rivera, I can't imagine it takes too much extra tooling to create RH glove for him to hold in his hand. This would certainly increase the ability to reuse this pose in the future. It's like the Matsui figure. By having an upright player standing with his arms at his sides, new headsculpts and arm sculpts give that figure a ridiculous amount of life...but it has never been used again. Yet this awful running pose gets reused over and over again.

I appreciate you answering this. As a huge Griffey fan, it just bothers me that this figure is such a letdown.

[Mark Weber]

My problem with it is that I can't imagine the Robinson 3-pack was a last minute decision. I was under the impression that Rachel Robinson specifically asked that Griffey be included in the set. So, there was time to be better prepared with a new Griffey sculpt. Not only that, but TMP had to know going into this season that Griffey would be reaching a career milestone and the demand on this board for an accurate Griffey sculpt was pretty high.

So, while I somewhat understand that it takes time to make a figure from a new sculpt, I don't see why that applies here. Unless the Robinson 3-pack was a last minute decision.

As to the explanations of the use of other figures in 3-packs, that is fine. But the problem I have is that if you can bend the rules in those specific instances, why not now when it is much more beneficial. I'm sorry, but this 3-pack I'm afraid won't have much selling power. The Robinson figure is a straight repacking, Robinson Cano might be dealt in the off-season and that Griffey pose is not very good (to be nice).

Various things could have been done with the Robinson figure (one of which would have been to do the 1951 uniforms as seen here)
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h243/DIMPHardcore/robinson51.jpg

As you said, though, those above are the exceptions, not the rule. But in this case, it shouldn't have been the unpredictable nature of sports. You knew this set was coming out.

This was such a great idea for a 3-pack but the execution seems to be botched badly. I mean, Robinson will be the only figure in the 3 pack in his home uniform. Could have simply given us the Dodgers road greys as something new and increased the saleability of the product.

As far as the Anderson, I do understand the no sleeves part, although I guess I could have hoped for some resculpted sleeves (giving the pose increased life in the future). As far as the Rivera, I can't imagine it takes too much extra tooling to create RH glove for him to hold in his hand. This would certainly increase the ability to reuse this pose in the future. It's like the Matsui figure. By having an upright player standing with his arms at his sides, new headsculpts and arm sculpts give that figure a ridiculous amount of life...but it has never been used again. Yet this awful running pose gets reused over and over again.

I appreciate you answering this. As a huge Griffey fan, it just bothers me that this figure is such a letdown.

Fair enough HL - I appreciate your passion for the game and the products, and I hope this discussion has helped clarify the parameters we always deal with when making these sorts of decisions.

[EastcoastSean]

Oh my now that's comedy :rolleyes:. Signiture look? Isn't that what every collector on here has been asking for. TMP has had ample opportunity to produce Jr in his signiture follow through, and haven't produced. The only feasible reason is because that swing is so uniquely Griffey, that you couldn't reuse the pose. So instead of what truly represents Jr, we're told to accept his "signiture" goofy smile, while running the bases? :confused: :mad:

COULDN'T AGREE with you more!!! Well stated. TMP is a joke

[DMidge12]

http://www.mlb.com/images/2008/04/15/xYqvJQMX.jpg[/QUOTE]

To me...this looks an awful lot like the Bonds 756/FanFest pose. Why couldnt that one get a new right arm and be used, Bonds is even wearing long sleeves???

[JerseyDevil]

I'm not going to go too much into detail or argue or anything, but these releases are a complete disgrace. Plus, the BS that Mark is spewing at us is a joke. I love how TMP keeps my prediction alive that 2009 will be the end of SPs.

[Hardcore Legend]

http://www.mlb.com/images/2008/04/15/xYqvJQMX.jpg

To me...this looks an awful lot like the Bonds 756/FanFest pose. Why couldnt that one get a new right arm and be used, Bonds is even wearing long sleeves???

That's what I have been saying. But at this point, hopefully Ken is getting his own pose and they are using the Bonds figure for Tex.

[Poochiesdead]

The Bonds sculpt seems way too big for Griffey to me.

[DMidge12]

That's what I have been saying. But at this point, hopefully Ken is getting his own pose and they are using the Bonds figure for Tex.

That would be pretty cool for tex i suppose. i know it would never happen, but wouldnt it be cool to see a switch hitter, like tex, get released in both a right handed and left handed batting pose

[AS251BR]

That would be pretty cool for tex i suppose. i know it would never happen, but wouldnt it be cool to see a switch hitter, like tex, get released in both a right handed and left handed batting pose

They've released Mantle from both sides of the plate. I'm sure you mean released at the same time but I don't think we'll ever see that.

[UFCFan]

HL –
The Polamalu two-pack was set to include one head-swap and one re-paint. With Hasselbeck the most marketable Seahawk, he claimed the head-swap option. Since we wanted offense vs. defense that left us in a bind, as we had no already released figures from the Steelers defense. Todd decided to “borrow” one from that fall’s lineup and chose Polamalu over Porter citing his better sales potential and increased likelihood of staying in Pittsburgh for years to come. Todd understood that Polamlu’s insertion into the 2-pack might damage the sales of his single-packed figure, so he green-lighted sculpted sleeves for Polamalu and asked for the alternate jersey and a snowy finish too. Both items sold well for us, although the single-pack Polamalu was stronger.

Bruschi was a last-second fill-in for the Patriots 3-pack when Adam Vinatieri left for the Colts. He wasn’t initially planned for that series. Bruschi’s addition to the 3-pack hurt his individual figure sales.

For Romo, the happy confluence of a breakout QB for the best-selling team in America’s most popular sport kept his numbers robust (in both the 3-pack and the single carded figure). There was only a month difference between domestic release on those two products.

More to the point, Griffey’s new sculpt figure could not have been ready for this 3-pack. You can’t fast-track a new sculpt figure by four months without leaving a train wreck of other projects in its wake. We have basic “rules” that Todd makes his decisions by, but sometimes the unpredictable nature of sports make us try changes on the fly when pressured. Those are the exceptions, not the rule.

Hope that makes some sense – I didn’t notice a response to the Rivera/Anderson reasoning though. Did that make sense to you?

I don't much care for the Griffey that is going in the 3 pack either, but if you guys get his new pose right, all will be right with the world, imo.

[Hardcore Legend]

I don't much care for the Griffey that is going in the 3 pack either, but if you guys get his new pose right, all will be right with the world, imo.

Accept for with TRU, who will be stuck with shelves and shelves of that crappy set. :p