...what do you think of Ben Roethlisberger?...

[joewillie99]

...is this guy under the radar as far as great QB's?...Wilbon called him the best QB in the NFL right now,on PTI yesterday...

[Jimmysru]

i would say he is pretty good with Brady out and Manning not doing too hot and Palmer being out who would you say is number 1

[Jimmysru]

Brees maybe

[Japericho]

He's good anybody who wins a Superbowl in my book is good unless your Brad Johnson,Trent Dilfer.He would rather take a hit than hock it into the air and take an interception.Ben is good.

[quiggle]

Eli is better

[ChargerChris]

I like Ben and I probably would agree that he is the best overall QB in the league right now (with Brady out and Manning being subpar). Brees is right behind him though (minus a ring).

[dallasstars06]

Eli is better

not even close

[Noleman]

Big Ben is a heck of a compettitor and a very gifted and smart QB. He is definitely in the top 5 in the league. I would only put him behind Brady, Manning and maybe Brees right now.

[Ben Vance]

I used to think Big Ben was underrated, but he gets plenty of pub. If anything, he's a little overrated.

[quiggle]

not even close

just watch next week

[Donnellk13]

just watch next week

Why are the Giants one of the many football teams you root for like the yankees are one of the many baseball teams you root for :p

One team winning a game on sunday doesn't make a quaterback better. Just look at the stats. Big Ben is better than Eli

[ToightLikeATiger]

not even close

Why isnt it close? Both have Superbowl ring. Big Ben won his with a running game and great defense.

Eli won his with a great defense but the offense went through him and he put points on the board with his arm. Especially down the stretch.

[CowboysFanSince82]

Ben yds 12,836, tds 93, ints 57
Eli yds12,774, tds 85, ints 68


Even though there #'s are very close.
I like Big Ben better he has been more consistant.
If not for that lucky David Tyree catch Eli would not be getting all this pub.

[Human Being]

he's meh.

[The Pharcyde]

Ben yds 12,836, tds 93, ints 57
Eli yds12,774, tds 85, ints 68


Even though there #'s are very close.
I like Big Ben better he has been more consistant.
If not for that lucky David Tyree catch Eli would not be getting all this pub.

I guess you could say the same for Big Ben in Palmers knee wasn't Kimo'd or if Harper ran that fumble for a TD or vanderjact made that FG.

Big Ben is a great qb, no question but Eli's not that far off and looks to be turning the corner on being a great qb

[Mozam]

underrated, overrated, I really don't care, I just want him to throw 4 TDs per game as he is on my Fantasy team :D

[madden821]

Ben yds 12,836, tds 93, ints 57
Eli yds12,774, tds 85, ints 68


Even though there #'s are very close.
I like Big Ben better he has been more consistant.
If not for that lucky David Tyree catch Eli would not be getting all this pub.

I agree completely, I would take Ben over everyone but Brady and Peyton right now. And about Eli's ring had it not been for the rest of the team Ben wouldn't have his ring either since he sucked in that Super Bowl.

[Human Being]

I agree completely, I would take Ben over everyone but Brady and Peyton right now. And about Eli's ring had it not been for the rest of the team Ben wouldn't have his ring either since he sucked in that Super Bowl.

lol, ward won MVP, amazing considering Ben was 9 for 21, 123 yards with 2 picks...let's see that's a passer rating of 22.5


oh, and btw, Ward had 123 yards

[quiggle]

also did Ben really score on that touchdown drive in Superbowl XL?

[Human Being]

also did Ben really score on that touchdown drive in Superbowl XL?

the 1 yard sneak?

[quiggle]

the 1 yard sneak?

sneak it was

[Human Being]

lol, boxscore says he scored :rolleyes:

[Poochiesdead]

1) No, I think Ben is rated just about right. At this point I would say the only QB playing better is Drew Brees.

2) Ben>Eli

[quiggle]

lol, boxscore says he scored :rolleyes:

waste of instant replay :rolleyes:

[Barry Sanders]

Ben yds 12,836, tds 93, ints 57
Eli yds12,774, tds 85, ints 68


Even though there #'s are very close.
I like Big Ben better he has been more consistant.
If not for that lucky David Tyree catch Eli would not be getting all this pub.

Palmer's Better than both :D

Yards 15,630 Tds 107 Ints 67

[32BEARDOWN]

if you get a sandwich named after you, you must be pretty good

[Steelcurtain1933]

I think he is pretty good.....sometimes he holds onto the damn ball to long instead of getting rid of it. But other than that, he is good fit for Pittsburgh. One other thing, since Cowher has left, they have taken the cuffs off. Which is a good thing imho.

[ahwkdrvr]

I used to think Big Ben was underrated, but he gets plenty of pub. If anything, he's a little overrated.

:eek: Ummm how much do you watch football, in particular Big Ben?? He is easily among the top four QBs in the league.

[johnnavarro]

Ben is tops right now

[PAUL GROSS]

i would say he is pretty good with Brady out and Manning not doing too hot and Palmer being out who would you say is number 1Drew FRICKIN Brees, thats who.

I used to think Big Ben was underrated, but he gets plenty of pub. If anything, he's a little overrated.VERY overrated.

underrated, overrated, I really don't care, I just want him to throw 4 TDs per game as he is on my Fantasy team :DTrue Dat !!

NoOne can sell me on Ben. Eli as well. They both are better than average in my book.But not in the top 3 overall. Well right now mabe with Brady & Romo out.

[HenRoc]

Big Ben is the man :D

[Donnellk13]

Drew FRICKIN Brees, thats who.

VERY overrated.

True Dat !!

NoOne can sell me on Ben. Eli as well. They both are better than average in my book.But not in the top 3 overall. Well right now mabe with Brady & Romo out.

Thats because you are a bears fan and you don't know what a real quarterback looks like. Sorry had to :p

[PAUL GROSS]

Thats because you are a bears fan and you don't know what a real quarterback looks like. Sorry had to :p
Im smarter then you think I are ?? :p Yes I do know what a bad QB looks like, thats for sure.

[pensfan71]

I used to think Big Ben was underrated, but he gets plenty of pub. If anything, he's a little overrated.

your post count is overrated.

[Team Rocket]

Now to avoid all the you're a Bengals fan crap, I'm going to strictly stick to numbers here.

Warner, Brees, Rivers, all considerably better than Big Ben. You have to give it to Manning over him as well, based on past seasons and what is likely to come the rest of this year. Palmer, Romo and Brady when healthy as well. So, he's not really a top QB. When did people start putting him ahead of McNabb?

[Donnellk13]

Im smarter then you think I are ?? :p Yes I do know what a bad QB looks like, thats for sure.

Touche

[Donnellk13]

your post count is inflated.

Fixed

[Thrall]

Roethlisberger is in the top 3 now-a-days.

[pensfan71]

Fixed

aww..thanks,but I like my OP better:D

[Donnellk13]

aww..thanks,but I like my OP better:D

ok but it would of been better if you told be he was overrated. :p

[Bill]

I always liked Ben as a top QB, maybe top 5 with Brady and Peyton being 1-2. McNabb, Brees, Ben, Palmer, take your choice of 2-6

[Bill]

Eli is either better than his brother, or couldnt start for most teams. Nobody seems to put him in the middle of the pack, which is where I think he is. He did a nice job last year, but he did have alot of help by his line and his receivers.

[Team Rocket]

I always liked Ben as a top QB, maybe top 5 with Brady and Peyton being 1-2. McNabb, Brees, Ben, Palmer, take your choice of 2-6

Ben ahead of Rivers or Warner? How would one go about supporting that opinion?

[pensfan71]

ok but it would of been better if you told be he was overrated. :p

how about this....

I used to think Big Ben was underrated, but he gets plenty of pub. If anything, he's a little overrated.

you and your post count are overrated.

:D

[Donnellk13]

how about this....



you and your post count are overrated.

:D

Thats better how dare he talk about Ben Roethlisberger like that

[Brodeur]

Drew Brees is money right now: Brees > Roethlisberger!!!

[Thrall]

Drew Brees is money right now: Brees > Roethlisberger!!!
HA! :rolleyes:

[Team Rocket]

HA! :rolleyes:

Ah yes, you must be doubting the right now aspect of his post, since Brees has pretty much always been money.

[Thrall]

Ah yes, you must be doubting the right now aspect of his post, since Brees has pretty much always been money.
DOUBLE...HA? :rolleyes:

:p

[Brodeur]

Ah yes, you must be doubting the right now aspect of his post, since Brees has pretty much always been money.

Yeah, but Shockey and Colston were out and he still was completing nearly every pass! He's red hot right now... I got him on my fantasy team and I'm 6-1!

[Corzaa]

Now to avoid all the you're a Bengals fan crap, I'm going to strictly stick to numbers here.

Warner, Brees, Rivers, all considerably better than Big Ben. You have to give it to Manning over him as well, based on past seasons and what is likely to come the rest of this year. Palmer, Romo and Brady when healthy as well. So, he's not really a top QB. When did people start putting him ahead of McNabb?

Probably when McNabb started fumbling HANDOFFS.

[mrmain18]

I used to like Ben a lot. Then he was drafted by the Stillers.

[StevB15]

My faviorite Big Ben play ever!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGSr2ZaWa9k&feature=related

:D

[PAUL GROSS]

My faviorite Big Ben play ever!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGSr2ZaWa9k&feature=related

:D Sums it up for me. He spends more time on his back then most hookers. Occasionally he kneels.:p

[ahwkdrvr]

Now to avoid all the you're a Bengals fan crap, I'm going to strictly stick to numbers here.

Warner, Brees, Rivers, all considerably better than Big Ben. You have to give it to Manning over him as well, based on past seasons and what is likely to come the rest of this year. Palmer, Romo and Brady when healthy as well. So, he's not really a top QB. When did people start putting him ahead of McNabb?

Palmer could not lead his team out of a fire if he had to so please stay away from that. Romo....are you serious...I will give you Brady and maybe Mcnabb but Romo and Palmer nope!

[Team Rocket]

Palmer could not lead his team out of a fire if he had to so please stay away from that. Romo....are you serious...I will give you Brady and maybe Mcnabb but Romo and Palmer nope!

I went strictly by the stats, as I don't think any higher of Romo than you. However:

2006 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 16 95.1 65.3 2903 19 13
Big Ben - 15 75.4 59.7 3513 18 23
Palmer - 16 93.9 62.3 4035 28 13

2007 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 16 97.4 64.4 4211 36 19
Big Ben - 15 104.1 65.3 3154 32 11
Palmer - 16 86.7 64.9 4131 26 20

2008 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 6 103.5 64.0 1689 14 5
Big Ben - 6 98.1 63.2 1163 9 3
Palmer - 4 69.0 58.1 731 3 4

[ahwkdrvr]

I went strictly by the stats, as I don't think any higher of Romo than you. However:

2006 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 16 95.1 65.3 2903 19 13
Big Ben - 15 75.4 59.7 3513 18 23
Palmer - 16 93.9 62.3 4035 28 13

2007 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 16 97.4 64.4 4211 36 19
Big Ben - 15 104.1 65.3 3154 32 11
Palmer - 16 86.7 64.9 4131 26 20

2008 GM QBRating Comp% Yds TD INT
Romo - 6 103.5 64.0 1689 14 5
Big Ben - 6 98.1 63.2 1163 9 3
Palmer - 4 69.0 58.1 731 3 4

OK but the most important stat is leadership. I think the Steelers follow the lead of Big Ben way more than the Bengals follow Palmer. Oh and he of course has a Super Bowl win :)

[Team Rocket]

OK but the most important stat is leadership. I think the Steelers follow the lead of Big Ben way more than the Bengals follow Palmer. Oh and he of course has a Super Bowl win :)

Leadership isn't a stat, nor is it comparable. And I surely don't have to list QBs that have won Super Bowls for you to get the picture of how important that one is.

[ahwkdrvr]

Leadership isn't a stat, nor is it comparable. And I surely don't have to list QBs that have won Super Bowls for you to get the picture of how important that one is.

I disagree with you. Leadership is very important, especially as an NFL quarterback. No there is not a need to name QBs without Superbowl...I was comparing the ones you had listed.

[Avatar_of_Chaos]

I have Ben at 4th.

Manning, Brady, Brees then Ben. I'll take Flacco over Palmer

[quiggle]

Eli looked better yesterday, why does Roethlisberger hold the ball so long?

[Raven Maniac (aka TJ87)]

Eli looked better yesterday, why does Roethlisberger hold the ball so long?

Because nobody's open. Ward is busy trying to nail somebody who's not looking.

[bigblu89]

Yeah. My NY Giants bias aside, but when the game was tied at 14 and it was late in the 4th quarter, Eli led his team on a scoring drive against (statistically) the #1 Defense in the league.

Down a TD, with the game on the line, Ben folded like a cheap suit on 4 straight plays, 2 possesions in a row.

Judging the talent of one player in the game of football is so tough, because it's such a team sport.

You put either of those guys on Oakland, and they'd have terrible numbers.

[kim]

OK but the most important stat is leadership. I think the Steelers follow the lead of Big Ben way more than the Bengals follow Palmer. Oh and he of course has a Super Bowl win :)

I think we have been over this atleast a thousand times:D...it was a super bowl "gift" not a win. They won despite his ineptness and a lot of help from the zebras;)

[quiggle]

I think we have been over this atleast a thousand times:D...it was a super bowl "gift" not a win. They won despite his ineptness and a lot of help from the zebras;)

they also gave it to them because it was Bettis' final game before his hometown and they needed a feel good storybook ending

[Elias_Devil]

I like Roethlisberger as a QB but I still feel that the Giants got the right QB in that draft. Another 4th quarter win for Eli last night.

[kim]

I pretty much cant stand Tony Kornheiser (spelling?) but a game earlier in the season I had to laugh when he called Roethlisberger a drama queen.:D

[kim]

I like Roethlisberger as a QB but I still feel that the Giants got the right QB in that draft. Another 4th quarter win for Eli last night.

What's not to like about Eli.....he, quietly, goes about his business getting the job done without bringing attention to himself (see Roethlisberger/drama queen)

[ahwkdrvr]

I think we have been over this atleast a thousand times:D...it was a super bowl "gift" not a win. They won despite his ineptness and a lot of help from the zebras;)

Ha, Ha...another conspiracy theorist...I am not even going to crack that egg again!!

[BlitzBurgh]

What's not to like about Eli.....he, quietly, goes about his business getting the job done without bringing attention to himself (see Roethlisberger/drama queen)

:D That's funny,I guess you don't remember his draft day mess.:p so much drama,it affected two teams.:eek: talk about, "drama queen!"

[PAUL GROSS]

I have Ben at 4th.

Manning, Brady, Brees then Ben. I'll take Flacco over PalmerSo Romo's worse than Ben??:(

[Bill]

:D That's funny,I guess you don't remember his draft day mess.:p so much drama,it affected two teams.:eek: talk about, "drama queen!"


Yea, I was just about to bring it up. Its a damn shame he didnt go to Houston ( although he or his dad would have refused it) and his parents would be crying how he would have to compete against his brother every year

[rarechaselimitedvariation]

he must get sacked more in a season than david carr in a career

[JF]

Ben is overrated.

[sprig0701]

He has some awesome moments, but few and far between so far this season. He's proven himself many times in his short career, but I think if he would have been drafted by a sub par team then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

[bigblu89]

He has some awesome moments, but few and far between so far this season. He's proven himself many times in his short career, but I think if he would have been drafted by a sub par team then we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

Exactly. A player can only do so much on his own. Football is such a team oriented sport, that arguments like this are near impossible to come to a conclusion.

[Chewdeezy]

I think he's pretty good.

[dallasstars06]

I think he's great. I've liked him since I saw him play in college. However, I wish he wouldn't hang on to the ball so damn long. My best friend is a huge Steelers fan, and he almost had an aneurysm watching that game Sunday.

[mcarey032]

Great QB who needs to learn to throw the ball sooner. I know that he likes to hold the ball and wait for something down the field, but it does cost him and puts additional pressure on an offensive line that is not really doing well right now. He is great though.

[PAUL GROSS]

he must get sacked more in a season than david carr in a careerActually no.Carr has him beat. In his defense the first couple years wasnt his fault. They assembled that team from scratch. That means the line was god awful.I looked it up Ben averages 2.68 sacks a game. Carr averaged 3.11 I think.

[ORian3182]

I love how everyone in the thread is compring QBs by the stats when the NFL compares them by WINS.

If you compare the Big Ben and Eli from 2004 till today, Big Ben has won 5 more games than Eli Manning. I think its safe determination that the two QBs are pretty much even right now at this point in their careers.

[joewillie99]

...the last post was October...anyone changed their minds?...another Super Bowl for Ben...

[mikedanger]

i didn't read anything else in this thread, but i think the dude is an above average QB that is a perfect fit for what the steelers do...there's nothing wrong with that though...it got troy aikman 3 SB rings and a 1st ballot HOF induction.

[daboltz]

I always try to think about how a QB would do or how long they would last on a really bad team. Imagine your favorite QB on the Lions or Bengals...

[kim]

underrated, overrated, I really don't care, I just want him to throw 4 TDs per game as he is on my Fantasy team :D

Ive already got my playoff pool clinched;)

Im 40 points ahead...must be because Ive got:

Warner
Fitzgerald
Boldin
Bresdon (or whatever his name is...the 3rd 1000 yard receiver)

Pays to go out on the limb once in awhile:D

[rarechaselimitedvariation]

Actually no.Carr has him beat. In his defense the first couple years wasnt his fault. They assembled that team from scratch. That means the line was god awful.I looked it up Ben averages 2.68 sacks a game. Carr averaged 3.11 I think.

it just seems that way when I watch him play :)

I wonder how much longer he's going to last if the sacks continue, he showed his courage by staying in after the leonhard hit