Browns looking at 4-12, who is to blame?

[harbaugh53]

Wanted to gauge a general audience on why they think the Browns have had such a horrible season.

[Chevy Man 22]

I'd say it's 50/50 on the GM/Ownership and Coaches

The ownership for being stupid enough to give Derek Anderson that huge rediculous contract after only 1 decent season and the coaching staff for not having a clue. If I were the Browns owner I'd clean house but it won't happen and the Browns will continue to suck for years to come. Romeo will be gone next year for sure but nobody they bring in will be able to turn it around quickly so it doesn't really matter.

[ptrac30]

3 reasons....

K2, BE17 and DA. What the hell happened???

Is K2 still a BROWN next year?

[harbaugh53]

3 reasons....

K2, BE17 and DA. What the hell happened???

Is K2 still a BROWN next year?

As long as Quinn is on this team, so will K2. The only way Quinn becomes a productive NFL quarterback is if he has a premier TE and there is no shot of getting anyone better than K2 on this team... that being said with the way they have played, no one on the trade block really has any value. I can't see trading Braylon for a third rounder, since that is all he is worth. DA may stay only because Quinn has only proved he is just as inconsistant and injury prone. But he is also due a $5 mill bonus which is going to be hard to pay or trade for that matter.

The Browns could get alot of fans excited in April by drafting Beanie Wells or James Lauranitis, but I don't know if they would ever be really great NFL players.

[ptrac30]

As long as Quinn is on this team, so will K2. The only way Quinn becomes a productive NFL quarterback is if he has a premier TE and there is no shot of getting anyone better than K2 on this team... that being said with the way they have played, no one on the trade block really has any value. I can't see trading Braylon for a third rounder, since that is all he is worth. DA may stay only because Quinn has only proved he is just as inconsistant and injury prone. But he is also due a $5 mill bonus which is going to be hard to pay or trade for that matter.

The Browns could get alot of fans excited in April by drafting Beanie Wells or James Lauranitis, but I don't know if they would ever be really great NFL players.

Is there really anyone on the BROWNS Defense beyond the Defensive Line that scares anyone? McGinest is done no? When i think BROWNS LB's, no one comes to mind, when i think BROWNS DB's...nothing. I think WiMBLEY and thats basically it. I havent seen a lot of BROWNS games but there is nothing scary about the Defense.

[harbaugh53]

Is there really anyone on the BROWNS Defense beyond the Defensive Line that scares anyone? McGinest is done no? When i think BROWNS LB's, no one comes to mind, when i think BROWNS DB's...nothing. I think WiMBLEY and thats basically it. I havent seen a lot of BROWNS games but there is nothing scary about the Defense.

I have been saying that for years... The defense needs someone who is just plain crazy. McGinest is so agonizingly slow. Wimbley's production has gone way down since his rookie year, but the blitzing schemes are terrible. D'Qwell Jackson leads the league in tackles (thanks to Shaun Rogers) but he doesn't make any big plays. Andra Davis has also probably played his last game in Cleveland. the DB's are inconsistent, but they force alot of turnovers. i would like to see shaun jones back, but it is unlikely. Shaun Smith is a cancer and will probably be cut, it would have been nice to have Robaire Smith all year though too.

[Spawnomite]

Could be worse. They could be the Lions.

[Bronx Bombers]

I think it's a combo of everything. If Joe J never got hurt and Edwards remembered how to catch then DA wouldn't have looked as bad as he did. But then again he never shouldve been on the team, he shouldve been traded while his stock was high, but that wouldve been a smart GM move.

[SkoalGuy32]

It's savage and derek anderson.

Romeo is terrible. But the bigger problem is Savage and DA being on this team. Awful.

[SkoalGuy32]

As long as Quinn is on this team, so will K2. The only way Quinn becomes a productive NFL quarterback is if he has a premier TE and there is no shot of getting anyone better than K2 on this team... that being said with the way they have played, no one on the trade block really has any value. I can't see trading Braylon for a third rounder, since that is all he is worth. DA may stay only because Quinn has only proved he is just as inconsistant and injury prone. But he is also due a $5 mill bonus which is going to be hard to pay or trade for that matter.

The Browns could get alot of fans excited in April by drafting Beanie Wells or James Lauranitis, but I don't know if they would ever be really great NFL players.

Quinn inconsistent AND injury prone?

So lets keep the most inconsistent QB in the NFL in DA?

He isn't injury prone. It was a freak injury. ***?

[SkoalGuy32]

DA sucked. Quinn showed more promise in his first few starts then DA showed in 25+

[sapp76]

The coach, I am sorry just his demeaner and appearance just puts no fear in anyone. It is like we have the jolly jelly-belly coach....that has no handle on what is going on. They need someone that is tuff and commands some sort of respect.....that is why I loved when they drafted Winslow, to change the attitude and culture.....now they need a coach that will do the same....

[Bronx Bombers]

Is there really anyone on the BROWNS Defense beyond the Defensive Line that scares anyone? McGinest is done no? When i think BROWNS LB's, no one comes to mind, when i think BROWNS DB's...nothing. I think WiMBLEY and thats basically it. I havent seen a lot of BROWNS games but there is nothing scary about the Defense.

No but somehow they lead the league in turnovers. :confused:

[RickeyB]

All the overrated off season moves.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Wanted to gauge a general audience on why they think the Browns have had such a horrible season.

You! :D

[RickeyB]

All the overrated off season moves.

And all the crazy Browns fans who actually thought those moves were going to put them at the top of the division.

[harbaugh53]

You! :D

Hey, they went 10-6 the first year I was here. :p

[Fatty McElbows]

I agree with whoever said it was a combination of everything. Crennel's decision-making has been awful and he's stuck to poor game plans long after it should have been obvious that those plans weren't working. Derek Anderson was skipping balls off the turf long before Kellen Winslow got hurt or Braylon Edwards forgot how to catch. The sudden drop in ability at several positions, including QB, WR, LB, and RB, contributed. Savage made some terrible decisions trading for Corey Williams, signing Jamal Lewis long-term, and giving up a whole bunch of draft picks for basically nothing. (Remember, the Browns traded up to get Beau Bell, Paul Hubbard, and Martin Rucker, none of whom have contributed much of anything. And all acquired in the 4th round or later.) And the players quit at some point after the win over the Bills. Also, there's been a lot of bad luck to make up for all of the good luck the Browns had last year. Last year, there were very few injuries and a lot of balls bounced the Browns' way. This year, it's been the exact opposite. There have been at least four games that I can think of off the top of my head that the Browns were competitive in going into the fourth quarter before the wheels fell off. The Browns won those games last year, but have been losing them this year.

I think the most frustrating part has been Romeo Crennel. As a coach (and fan), you can't really do much about what players are signed or who gets injured or whose ability will suddenly fall into a black abyss of despair never to be seen again. But what you can do is change game planning. So when a coach sticks to an ineffective scheme (like the 3-4 defense), continually botches clock management (Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Baltimore), keeps starting a perpetually regressing quarterback (Derek Anderson) or runningback (Jamal Lewis), shows a complete and utter disregard for innovation and flexibility (Josh Cribbs, playing both backup runningbacks), AND THEN SHOWS EVEN LESS INGENUITY WHEN HIS JOB IS ON THE LINE, well, then it's time to make a change. It's like any other job. If you know your job is in jeopardy, why in God's name would you keep doing all of the things that put your paycheck in danger in the first place? Beau Bell and Martin Rucker showed some promise in the preseason and in training camp. When Kellen Winslow got injured, how much did Rucker play? Barely at all. When Steve Heiden went down for the year, did Rucker see more play time? Nope. Beau Bell barely saw the field before he was lost for the year. If so many veteran players are so blatantly ineffective, why do you keep trotting them out while keeping your younger players on the bench? Maybe they'll be more effective, maybe they'll be less effective. You won't find out if you keep them riding the pine.

Crennel has been unflinchingly loyal and steadfast throughout his tenure. And that's a great attribute when everything's going well and the team is winning. But if the bandwagon is careening all over the road and about to fly off the ledge before exploding into a flaming pyre of death and destruction . . . Then staying the course is probably not the best solution.

[Fatty McElbows]

Remember Crennel was almost fired a couple of years ago while Maurice Carthon was the offensive coordinator. The offense was putrid that year while the defense kept a lot of games closer than they should have been. Everyone and their brother knew that Carthon was a terrible offensive coordinator. But Crennel kept him on week after week until Savage basically told him either Carthon goes or you go with him.

[RickeyB]

I still get a kick out of reading all the posts from the beginning of the season in regards to the Browns expectations. The offseason moves they made were all pretty much garbage but somehow people thought they were just going to sail to the top of the division. The Browns better hope they get moved to the NFC West or something because as long as they are playing in the same division as the Steelers & Ravens they pretty much have no chance.

[Ellsworth Toohey]

as long as they are playing in the same division as the Steelers & Ravens they pretty much have no chance.

Right, because the Ravens aren't going to experience the same "sophmore jinx" under John Harbaugh that the Jets did under Mangini, the Dolphind did under Sabin, the Falcons did under Mora Jr., etc.

[RickeyB]

Right, because the Ravens aren't going to experience the same "sophmore jinx" under John Harbaugh that the Jets did under Mangini, the Dolphind did under Sabin, the Falcons did under Mora Jr., etc.

Those 3 teams all had QB and defensive issues, the Ravens will not.

[snedden001]

If anyone finds any of my posts from preseason about the Brownies being an 8-8 team or worse, bump em. I'd like to see how close I was to predicting their tumble.

[bigblu89]

I blame the New York Giants.

If they didn't lay an egg that Monday night, the Browns would be 3-13.

[prripper]

I blame the New York Giants.

If they didn't lay an egg that Monday night, the Browns would be 3-13.

haha

[petenfld]

dirty showers if you ask Kellen

[schmitty73]

I blame the Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys and everyone else that's beaten them this year.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Browns schedule was rough this year for one thing. Then you have to look at the offensive coordinator. The play calling for the Browns offense has been terrible no matter who was at QB. If you dont put the players in the position to succeed it doesnt matter how talented they are.

[alihoops]

ONE WORD ROMEO....guy couldn't coach my next door neighbors pee-wee team...browns need a coach who will get rid of the crap players, get in the face of the under acheivers, and get the good players back on track and headed in the right direction..

[Steelcurtain1933]

Wanted to gauge a general audience on why they think the Browns have had such a horrible season.



Horrible season? I think they are doing just fine. ;) Besides that, a 10-6 season does not make you "contender" the following season.

[SkoalGuy32]

terrible decision to bring Anderson back on a three year contract, and not a tender.

I think 100000000s of fans knew he'd flop this season, but Phil couldn't let go of his golden goose. Now how sorry are the Browns going to be that they didn't get Quinn experience LAST season when Anderson was flinging INT's to inferior opponents. Then they start him THIS year without any QB competition. Unreal.

This organization is hell bent on making the wrong move over and over and over again. They don't learn from mistakes.

[Fatty McElbows]

If anyone finds any of my posts from preseason about the Brownies being an 8-8 team or worse, bump em. I'd like to see how close I was to predicting their tumble.

. . . I said they'd be lucky to finish 8-8. Realistic fans should have realized that this team was basically a tin man or straw man or scarecrow. Maybe a cowardly lion and their little dog, too. Unfortunately, not too many teams have 'realistic' fans.


I didn't think they were as good as their 10-6 record last year nor do I think they're as bad as their 4-11 record this year.