Is Jay Cutler a "poor man's" Brett Favre?

[kim]

It never ceases to amaze me how many ree-tarded, nearly impossible, passes Cutler attempts on a weekly basis. Reminds me a lot of Brett Favre. Now before all the Farve apologists flock to this thread it is my observation that he has made a career out of making dumb, ill advised, passes. Some work out and he looks like a god, most don't and end up getting picked off or no where near completion. I guess he has made enough miracle completions that people forget the bad passes....Cutler is the same way. The difference is people in Denver are not going to be as forgiving (atleast until he takes the Broncos to the SB).

Ive always been a big Bronco fan but it drives me nuts when he tries to be "DA MAN" instead of just managing the offense (a very good one I might add). I can think of 3 or 4 INT's this year that basically cost the Broncos a win. Dont make those dumb throws and they would have 10 wins going into week 17:mad:

[starscream's ghost]

dead on assessment

[kim]

dead on assessment

You are in Colorado?....what's the word in Denver today....Im sure everyone is JUST a little upset with the fact the Broncos have gift wrapped an opportunity for the Chargers.

I cant stand Philip Rivers but I think he is going to bury the Broncos Sunday.

Really only buys either team one more game. Neither team will win a playoff game (the Broncos for sure wont)

[Paul755]

The thing is, Cutler has been pulling off alot of these bonehead moves...because we have NO running game and he has to throw on almost every down.

Seriously, we lost two more running backs yesterday. Had Pope not pulled his hammy and Denver had to completly abandon the running game in the second half, they probably win and everything is roses today.

[rafprop]

The Broncos have been severely hurt in the running game and Cutler is in the position of having to throw the ball a ton more than normal. Defenses know that and they are playing the pass and that's going to lead to more INTs. They aren't afraid of Tatum Bell.

[kim]

The thing is, Cutler has been pulling off alot of these bonehead moves...because we have NO running game and he has to throw on almost every down.

Seriously, we lost two more running backs yesterday. Had Pope not pulled his hammy and Denver had to completly abandon the running game in the second half, they probably win and everything is roses today.

Problem I see is he has been doing it all year long ( long before they were down to their 8th running back). I just think he makes some poor decisions and until he changes the Broncos will never win a damn thing with him at QB.

[kim]

Thats another topic...Shanahan........He did so much with that team in the late 90's.....I think he is a GREAT coach......I think maybe a change of scenery is in order? He is too good a coach not be coaching again somewhere:(

[kim]

I think Cutler is the "poor man's" Donovan McNabb more than Brett Favre.

Saying that he is the poor man's Brett Favre implies that there is still greatness to come, but unless another player comes in and carriers him to greatness (McNabb) there will be nothing to show of his tenure in Denver other than helping us finally get rid of Shanahan,,,, maybe.



True....I guess what I meant was he has the same "gunslinger" attitude or whatever the press deems Favre. Did anyone see that pathetic INT Favre threw yesterday?....throwing against his body, off his back foot, across the field....quack, quack, quack....I dont think he could have completed that pass in his prime let alone now.....

[RAIDEN6]

Favre is a poor mans Cutler.

[YlhandlZ]

Some idiot needs to ring in with some stats:

Brett Favre (year 2 as QB1): 1994 Comp: 363 Att: 582 %: 62.4 Yds: 3,882 Avg: 6.7 TD: 33 INT: 14 Sck: 31 for 188 yds Rate: 90.7 Rush Att: 42 for 202 yds Avg: 4.8 TD: 2 Fum: 7 Lost: 3

Jay Cutler (current): 2008 Comp: 351 Att: 567 %: 61.9 Yds: 4,210 Avg: 7.4 TD: 24 INT: 16 Sck: 11 for 69 yds Rate: 87.0 Rush Att: 55 for 196 yds Avg: 3.6 TD: 2 Fum: 5 Lost: 2

Cutty's ambitious gunslinging doesn't bother me in the slightest. Although he's turned over a ton of balls in the redzone, it's set up the opposing offense with a long field to play. Our D hasn't really made a name for itself closing out games.

[trinity231]

Some idiot needs to ring in with some stats:

Brett Favre (year 2 as QB1): 1994 Comp: 363 Att: 582 %: 62.4 Yds: 3,882 Avg: 6.7 TD: 33 INT: 14 Sck: 31 for 188 yds Rate: 90.7 Rush Att: 42 for 202 yds Avg: 4.8 TD: 2 Fum: 7 Lost: 3

Jay Cutler (current): 2008 Comp: 351 Att: 567 %: 61.9 Yds: 4,210 Avg: 7.4 TD: 24 INT: 16 Sck: 11 for 69 yds Rate: 87.0 Rush Att: 55 for 196 yds Avg: 3.6 TD: 2 Fum: 5 Lost: 2

Cutty's ambitious gunslinging doesn't bother me in the slightest. Although he's turned over a ton of balls in the redzone, it's set up the opposing offense with a long field to play. Our D hasn't really made a name for itself closing out games.


I agree, I was frustrated with the overthrows last night, but I was more frustrated knowing that the defense was going to at some point let up and allow Buffalo to get back in the game. Elway threw a lot of interceptions as well and didnt have great numbers in the TD - INT department until his final six years. I'm very happy with his progression and I would much rather have a qb that tries to create (and usually delivers) than have what we have had to deal with in Griese, Frerotte, and Plummer.

[kim]

Some idiot needs to ring in with some stats:

Brett Favre (year 2 as QB1): 1994 Comp: 363 Att: 582 %: 62.4 Yds: 3,882 Avg: 6.7 TD: 33 INT: 14 Sck: 31 for 188 yds Rate: 90.7 Rush Att: 42 for 202 yds Avg: 4.8 TD: 2 Fum: 7 Lost: 3

Jay Cutler (current): 2008 Comp: 351 Att: 567 %: 61.9 Yds: 4,210 Avg: 7.4 TD: 24 INT: 16 Sck: 11 for 69 yds Rate: 87.0 Rush Att: 55 for 196 yds Avg: 3.6 TD: 2 Fum: 5 Lost: 2

Cutty's ambitious gunslinging doesn't bother me in the slightest. Although he's turned over a ton of balls in the redzone, it's set up the opposing offense with a long field to play. Our D hasn't really made a name for itself closing out games.

I'm not sure if the idiot you are referring to is you for bringing up the stats or me for not. Stats are over-rated. For QB's in particular they don't equate to wins and to narrow it down even further to close wins or comeback wins...the true measure of a QB's worth.

It's all fine and dandy that Cutler's INT's have come in the red zone and gives their pathetic defense 90+ yards to stop them. But it is also, potentially, 7 points that the offense doesn't get that would make the defense's inability to stop anyone a moot point.

[YlhandlZ]

Oh, I'd never directly refer to anyone as an 'idiot' (I'm much too passive aggressive for that :)). I wasn't using stats to defend or reject your comparison of Cutler to Favre. More or less, I was saying they look pretty similar on paper even though I agree stats (or at least the most widely measured/calculated ones) are probably the weakest argument for a QB's greatness.

While I don't like Cutler to turn the ball over in the redzone, it's really an overall team effort that's resulting in their mediocrity. Cutler's also not the only Bronco that's had issues holding onto the ball late in the game. I like his swagger even if he's not making them into Superbowl contenders yet. He's not a 'poor man's' anyone in my opinion, rather, he's a great QB in the making (at least I hope).

[kim]

Oh, I'd never directly refer to anyone as an 'idiot' (I'm much too passive aggressive for that :)). I wasn't using stats to defend or reject your comparison of Cutler to Favre. More or less, I was saying they look pretty similar on paper even though I agree stats (or at least the most widely measured/calculated ones) are probably the weakest argument for a QB's greatness.

While I don't like Cutler to turn the ball over in the redzone, it's really an overall team effort that's resulting in their mediocrity. Cutler's also not the only Bronco that's had issues holding onto the ball late in the game. I like his swagger even if he's not making them into Superbowl contenders yet. He's not a 'poor man's' anyone in my opinion, rather, he's a great QB in the making (at least I hope).

I hope he is too!.....its hard to watch the Broncos treading in mediocrity :(

[thetoad]

I have been a Bronco fan since the 60's. I have seen it all. Saban, Ralston, Reeves, Morton, Little, Gradishar, Tensi (???), Jackson, Elway, Sharpe, etc. Yes it is so sad to accept the mediocrity of .500 seasons and no playoff runs (Yes, San Diego will beat Denver, and I will be there).

Shanahan has lost his edge with the players. None of the current players remember the 90's Super Bowl wins. Thus, there is no leader to tell the young guys what it takes to get to the next level.

Shanahan cannot draft for defense. The three 1st round D Lineman from 2007: Thomas is the only one making any impact. The other two, Crowder and Thomas are bordering on busts. Dre Bly was the first free agent ever signed (not including thugs). We need to clear salary cap room and sign Albert Haynesworth.

We have a young, talented offense (skill positions and line) that is going to get better. Cutler will be fine with another year of experience and a bit of maturity.

I realize that Shanahan has a job for life with Bowlen. But, at some point, without improvement, does Bowlen eat his words and make the hard decision. At a minimum, Shanahan should offer to give up the GM duties. Happy Holidays, Kim. Maybe we'll find a stud running back under the draft tree in the 6th round. Remember Terrell Davis?

[kim]

I have been a Bronco fan since the 60's. I have seen it all. Saban, Ralston, Reeves, Morton, Little, Gradishar, Tensi (???), Jackson, Elway, Sharpe, etc. Yes it is so sad to accept the mediocrity of .500 seasons and no playoff runs (Yes, San Diego will beat Denver, and I will be there).

Shanahan has lost his edge with the players. None of the current players remember the 90's Super Bowl wins. Thus, there is no leader to tell the young guys what it takes to get to the next level.

Shanahan cannot draft for defense. The three 1st round D Lineman from 2007: Thomas is the only one making any impact. The other two, Crowder and Thomas are bordering on busts. Dre Bly was the first free agent ever signed (not including thugs). We need to clear salary cap room and sign Albert Haynesworth.

We have a young, talented offense (skill positions and line) that is going to get better. Cutler will be fine with another year of experience and a bit of maturity.

I realize that Shanahan has a job for life with Bowlen. But, at some point, without improvement, does Bowlen eat his words and make the hard decision. At a minimum, Shanahan should offer to give up the GM duties. Happy Holidays, Kim. Maybe we'll find a stud running back under the draft tree in the 6th round. Remember Terrell Davis?

Happy Holidays to you, too!.....maybe the Broncos can find lightning in a bottle again (Terrell Davis) next draft. I, truly, think their running game will be fine once all 6 (or is it 7) current running backs get healthy. They need to concentrate on the defense....its absolutely pathetic.....

[KANE699]

No, he's a rich man's Jay Cutler.

[HoosierDaddy]

It never ceases to amaze me how many ree-tarded, nearly impossible, passes Cutler attempts on a weekly basis. Reminds me a lot of Brett Favre. Now before all the Farve apologists flock to this thread it is my observation that he has made a career out of making dumb, ill advised, passes. Some work out and he looks like a god, most don't and end up getting picked off or no where near completion. I guess he has made enough miracle completions that people forget the bad passes....Cutler is the same way. The difference is people in Denver are not going to be as forgiving (atleast until he takes the Broncos to the SB).

Ive always been a big Bronco fan but it drives me nuts when he tries to be "DA MAN" instead of just managing the offense (a very good one I might add). I can think of 3 or 4 INT's this year that basically cost the Broncos a win. Dont make those dumb throws and they would have 10 wins going into week 17:mad:If it makes you feel any better, at least he has a chance to make those throws. Steelers fans get to watch the Steelers O-Line fold so fast that the opposing defense gets to Big Ben before the ball does.:(