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[BOXMAN43]

Cant' believe there isn't a thread about Earnhardt's splendid driving today or have I missed it somewhere?

[akaplan2180]

I don't usually watch Nascar but I was bored. From the look of it he was the worst driver out there in a strong car. 2 penaltys and cause a major crash.

[Attack2000]

when refering to the 2009 Daytona 500...
1. It was one of the worst Daytona's ever.
2. Matt Kenseth won nothing
3. Brian Vickers is an idiot who is 50% responsible for that accident

[Steelcurtain1980]

Jr. just like his dad did if ya don't wanna get hit get outta the way.

[cflames89]

when refering to the 2009 Daytona 500...
1. It was one of the worst Daytona's ever.
2. Matt Kenseth won nothing
3. Brian Vickers is an idiot who is 50% responsible for that accident

Exactly. What Vickers was doing with the blocking there is beyond my figuring out.

[akaplan2180]

I wasn't just stating the crash. He had 2 mistakes that cost him. It was a shame because he came back to the front the first time. His car was alot better then Gordon's an Johnson's car and he just keep stepping on his own foot.

[Attack2000]

memo to Brian Vickers: Earnhardt had you beat, stop being a whiny little **tch and get out of the way next time.

You guys see the run Dale had? Vickers had no business even trying to block someone with that kinda run, Dale even had drafting help and Vickers was alone, then he comes out whining like a baby accusing Dale of doing it on purpose AND INTENTIONALLY turning him into the pack! oh yeah Brian, Dale wanted to whipe everybody out, that was his whole plan and you figured it out.:rolleyes:

I had respect for Vickers.

[Jason62]

Vickers and Jr were battling for highest person a lap down so that they could get a lap back on the caution. Good race I was bummed it got cut early and Martin slid back and couldnt stay up front and contend.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Dale Jr did nothing wrong when it comes to that accident.

[Attack2000]

Its a shame for guys like Martin, and Stewart. Earnhardt screwed up twice (missing pits, then parking in pits wrong)and shoulda finished where he did. But Kenseth in my opnion, won nothing, he didn't earn anything, he got lucky, nothing more.

[BOXMAN43]

I actually like Junior, and I think it was a dumb move by Vickers, but Junior did not use any common sense banging him. He knew what would happen. It's a shame because he did have a good car, but 2 really stupid errors on his part cost him dearly. I was really surprised he didn't get penalized like somebody did in the race yesterday for rough driving.

[ToightLikeATiger]

I actually like Junior, and I think it was a dumb move by Vickers, but Junior did not use any common sense banging him. He knew what would happen. It's a shame because he did have a good car, but 2 really stupid errors on his part cost him dearly. I was really surprised he didn't get penalized like somebody did in the race yesterday for rough driving.

Jr didnt get penalized because he didnt wreck anyone intentionally. He was just trying to get back on the track but his car was loose and he wasnt clear of Vickers. Its hard to control the car once you get pushed down the track like that. No way anyone could say that was intentional.

[fastlane22]

I say we blame Nascar for starting the race at 3:40... If they start at 2:00, it finishes with no problem. About 4 years ago, thet started the 500 later so it wuold finish under the lights.

[BOXMAN43]

He can say it wasn't intentional, but...........................................he has a little of his Daddy's blood in him.;)

[ToightLikeATiger]

Its a shame for guys like Martin, and Stewart. Earnhardt screwed up twice (missing pits, then parking in pits wrong)and shoulda finished where he did. But Kenseth in my opnion, won nothing, he didn't earn anything, he got lucky, nothing more.

The missing the pits was tough but it can happen with everyones pit flags looking the same like they did today. Its definetly a mistake that should have been avoided but I can see why it happened. The penalty for parking in the pits wrong was ridiculous. There should have been no penalty there. He was an inch out. For that to be penalized is ridiculous to me. Something like that should not decide a race for someone. That rule definetly needs to be reviewed.

I agree about Kenseth. He won nothing as there were laps left to go. If the Daytona 500 is going to be the sports "super bowl" then you have to finish it. I dont are if you line them up for the final laps tomorrow and finish it. You HAVE to finish that race and let the drivers decide the outcome. If not then its a joke to call the Daytona 500 the biggest event in the sport.

[ToightLikeATiger]

He can say it wasn't intentional, but...........................................he has a little of his Daddy's blood in him.;)

Jr has never driven like that and he has been around for a while. So I think its stupid to even think it was intentional. He may be Dale Sr's son but he drives nothing like his dad. Thats probably why he hasnt ever won a championship.

[avsfan21]

He can say it wasn't intentional, but...........................................he has a little of his Daddy's blood in him.;)

Little being the key word. You can tell by how little talent he seems to have.

[BOXMAN43]

Jr has never driven like that and he has been around for a while. So I think its stupid to even think it was intentional. He may be Dale Sr's son but he drives nothing like his dad. Thats probably why he hasnt ever won a championship.

Now you're calling me stupid?

[ToightLikeATiger]

Now you're calling me stupid?

If you think it was intentional then yes on that subject you are stupid. In general? I dont know you well enough so I cant make that judgement at this time. Id like to think you arent.

[BOXMAN43]

Opinions are like $$$holes, everybody has one. I think he was pizzed off and it was intentional. The announcers were certainly not praising him all that much for that move, so they must be stupid too. Like I said it is just my opinion. I certainly didn't question your intelligence, don't question mine.

[forcefromthenorth1]

He should have had a five lap penalty like Leffler did in the nationwide race. And don't try and claim Earnhardt follows the rules. I seem to remember last year his win was tainted....he was out of gas and was coasting AHEAD of the pace car!! I also seem to remember a race at Watkins where he needed a caution so he spun on purpose and sat there like his car wouldn't start until the caution came out.

[Superman16343]

memo to Brian Vickers: Earnhardt had you beat, stop being a whiny little **tch and get out of the way next time.

You guys see the run Dale had? Vickers had no business even trying to block someone with that kinda run, Dale even had drafting help and Vickers was alone, then he comes out whining like a baby accusing Dale of doing it on purpose AND INTENTIONALLY turning him into the pack! oh yeah Brian, Dale wanted to whipe everybody out, that was his whole plan and you figured it out.:rolleyes:

I had respect for Vickers.

Exactly!

[Toyfan85]

If it would have been anyone else it would be a huge storyline. Since it was Nascars golden boy, it was nothing.

[Tenbrouck]

I say we blame Nascar for starting the race at 3:40... If they start at 2:00, it finishes with no problem. About 4 years ago, thet started the 500 later so it wuold finish under the lights.

I agree 100%. The pregame was filled with stories of how the bad economy is affecting Nascar and then they deliver this debacle.

Say what you want about the crash, but that one lap penalty in the pit by Earnhardt was atrocious.

[Jules9]

Dale Earnhardt Jr.............. the Sidney Crosby of Nascar.

[AdrianMonk]

Earnhardt did nothing wrong, where was he supposed to go,the grass? Vickers saw him coming and he should've gotten out of the way, one good thing that came out of the crash was Busch hitting the wall, I hate the Keebler elf!

[R. Giles]

Earnhardt did nothing wrong, where was he supposed to go,the grass? Vickers saw him coming and he should've gotten out of the way, one good thing that came out of the crash was Busch hitting the wall, I hate the Keebler elf!

Nascar needs to adopt rules that the IRL and ALMS have about blocking. You do it you are penalized.

[Purdue_Pete]

I am not an Earnhardt fan in any way but...

1. Vickers is an idiot and is mostly at fault
2. Screw NASCAR's stupid yellow line. Just let them race. How many wrecks has the yellow line caused?!?

[Davis]

I was planning on turning it on for the last half hour.....so much for that plan.

I only find the last 10 minutes and crashes entertaining.

[CJenks]

Jr. did nothing wrong. You have to really have a grudge or hate for Jr. if you say otherwise. There was harder bumps that drivers in the back took and straightened up.

My problem is with nascar... It seemed like they called the race after like 5 mins of red flag. I dont care if they have to wait til 11 oclock at night...anyone who was watching would probably watch it later. I think they should start it earlier in the day anyways.

[johnnavarro]

That crash was all Brian Vickers, he was racing as if he was protected the lead, but he wasn't. That block on Jr, was uncalled for. I don't blame Jr. one bit, all he did was get back on the track happened to bump him and Vickers caused the crash.

[Rhetoric]

Terrible finish to the 500 in my opinion, but was glad to see Allmendinger finish in the top 3. I was really hoping to see him in the 19 this season 'cause I think Sadler's useless, especially when Kenseth blew past him like nothing.

[avsfan21]

When I saw Kenseth pass Sadler I thought Sadler was a asleep. I saw that move coming from a mile back and he just sat in the middle of the track and let him go by.

[deogg]

I hate Jr. But Ive also watched NASCAR for 18 years, and know that was uncalled for. He DIDNT HAVE TO TURN RIGHT, AND HOOK THE 83!

I've been watching Nascar for just about as long as you have. Yeah, it was uncalled for. But, couple in the fact that A: He's Joonyer, and B: He's on the Team Officially Sponsored by Nascar, and you know they aren't going to a dang thing.

[CJenks]

I've been watching Nascar for just about as long as you have. Yeah, it was uncalled for. But, couple in the fact that A: He's Joonyer, and B: He's on the Team Officially Sponsored by Nascar, and you know they aren't going to a dang thing.

That is some of the stupidest stuff someone could write... If you feel that way, I dont think you should watch it anymore. He is treated the same as everyone else. There was nothing Nascar was going to do because there was nothing that warrented it. He got a penalty in the pits, and served the penalty.

[WingNut 25]

when refering to the 2009 Daytona 500...
1. It was one of the worst Daytona's ever.
2. Matt Kenseth won nothing
3. Brian Vickers is an idiot who is 50% responsible for that accident

Yup.

[avsfan21]

That is some of the stupidest stuff someone could write... If you feel that way, I dont think you should watch it anymore. He is treated the same as everyone else. There was nothing Nascar was going to do because there was nothing that warrented it. He got a penalty in the pits, and served the penalty.

Dont mind him, he has a Hendrick fetish and wants to hide it.

[illside]

Jr. was just getting the import trash off the track.

[cflames89]

I hate Jr. But Ive also watched NASCAR for 18 years, and know that was uncalled for. He DIDNT HAVE TO TURN RIGHT, AND HOOK THE 83!

Did you forget it was a restrictor plate race?

The only option really for Dale was to lift off the gas, at which point in time he gets nailed from behind. Vickers should be parked next week.

[dbrooks55]

I'm not a NASCAR fan but know enough about the sport...I usually watch a race or 2 when nothing else is on...but Vickers in my mind caused the crash, it's alright to block but he tried to drive Jr off the track, Vickers got what he deserved there...If Jr would have went any lower he could have wrecked himself. I don't care what the situation. If it's a decision between me and you and your driving me down like that...your going spinning! The announcers should've been on Vickers butt...not Jr!

[BurningSoul]

Glad Jr. finally showed he had a sac and didn't back down. He's been way to nice when it comes to stuff like that on the track. Sr. would have did the same thing, won the race, and then tell anyone who didn't like it to kiss his ***. And he was adored for it. The knack on Jr. is he has never been aggressive enough on the track and hopefully this is a sign of change.

[Ronzie]

My least favorite 500 ever and I haven't missed one since 1979.
Earnhardt had a huge run on Vickers. Mostly Vickers fault.
Glad to see A-hole Kyle Busch crash.
Congrats to Kenseth for winning the Daytona 380. To bad it didn't stop raining because it would of been a wild final 48 laps.

[BurningSoul]

This is the Super Bowl of NASCAR and they are not even allowed to finish the race which is total BS. I'm sick of races ending this way especially with nearly a quarter of the race left. There has to be a better solution

[ToightLikeATiger]

I am also very glad Kyle Busch crashed and got a DNF!!! What a piece of garbage he is.

[BurningSoul]

agreed, he should probably keep his mouth shut after a Busch mistake took Jr. out of at least 2 races last year.

[Rhetoric]

This is the Super Bowl of NASCAR and they are not even allowed to finish the race which is total BS. I'm sick of races ending this way especially with nearly a quarter of the race left. There has to be a better solution

Cutting the pre-race shows from four and a half hours to something more reasonable would be a better solution, especially when there's a huge threat of rain.

[Ronzie]

This race always started at noon. But they want it to end under the lights.

[cflames89]

This race always started at noon. But they want it to end under the lights.

Yep. I remember the good ol days of waking up hungover on Sunday at like 11, heading to Timmy's then coming back for the race. Good times.

[fastlane22]

I dont care for Kyle Busch either but he did have the best car.

[BurningSoul]

I dont care for Kyle Busch either but he did have the best car.

Which makes him crying about Jr./Vickers so much better. Dude is a pompous whiney ass, just like his brother. Too bad Jimmy Spencer isn't around to knock some of that ****yness outta his rear end.

[spurs_funatic]

I don't really care one bit for NASCAR, but I just saw the clip and Vickers is a whiny lil you-know-what. He pushed Jr. below the yellow line and when Jr. tried to move back up, he caught Vickers' tail end. As was said earlier in the thread, Jr. had Vickers beat and he paid the price for trying to block him and pushing him below the line.

[Attack2000]

My least favorite 500 ever and I haven't missed one since 1979.


It was one of the worst Daytona's ever, but in my opinion nothing is worse than 2001, I barely acknowledge is was even run. (everyone should know what I am refering too)

[prripper]

I'm not a NASCAR fan but know enough about the sport...I usually watch a race or 2 when nothing else is on...but Vickers in my mind caused the crash, it's alright to block but he tried to drive Jr off the track, Vickers got what he deserved there...If Jr would have went any lower he could have wrecked himself. I don't care what the situation. If it's a decision between me and you and your driving me down like that...your going spinning! The announcers should've been on Vickers butt...not Jr!

Finally someone touched on how it really went down. I tivo'ed the race and watched it in slow-mo. Vickers not only blocked Jr., but he rode him all the way down to the bottom of the track (because of Nascar's yellow line rule), almost losing control of his own car. Both cars looked a lil loose trying to get back towards the field and Jr. clipped him trying to get back behind him. None of you were behind the wheel so you can't really say who's fault it was. I thought both drivers were acting like idiots and took out people that actually had a chance to win the race.

[prripper]

This is the Super Bowl of NASCAR and they are not even allowed to finish the race which is total BS. I'm sick of races ending this way especially with nearly a quarter of the race left. There has to be a better solution

A DOME!!!

You can't control the elements bro...they tried to get it restarted but it just wasn't in the cards. This was only the 4th or 5th Daytona to end like this, so it really doens't happen that often. The most sensible solution would be to postpone the race 'til the next day and finish it similar to how they do it in Golf. No sense in endangering the drivers just to finish a race the same day in poor weather conditions.

[ToightLikeATiger]

LOL. Typical JUNNNNYER Nation. Loves that their moronic driver takes out the car the shouldve won the race, because YOUR driver is the most overrated driver in NASCAR history. Its so sad that the sheep follow such a horrible, horrible driver. Too funny. BAHH! BAHH!

Actually Brian Vickers is the one who took Kyle Busch out. And we get the point you dont like Dale Jr or basically anything thats popular in sports. You want to be "unique". We get your act and its pretty old. I hope you realize your posts that constantly bash what others like arent bothering anyone. We all realize that your a joke.

[avsfan21]

LOL. Typical JUNNNNYER Nation. Loves that their moronic driver takes out the car the shouldve won the race, because YOUR driver is the most overrated driver in NASCAR history. Its so sad that the sheep follow such a horrible, horrible driver. Too funny. BAHH! BAHH!

I am far from a Jr fan and loved that Kyle wrecked. He is just a pompous piece of shiot. I didnt really like him when he was in the 5 car, I just kind of dealt with him, just like Jr now with Hendrick.

[sufferingbruinsfan]

Hey look Vickers shouldn't have blocked him that far down to the banking. There is no argument about that. But Jr. hooking him into the the rest of the field was uncalled for. He wrecked a lot of innocent cars and could have hurt somebody. They were both wrong, but Jr.'s actions had much more serious consequences.

[dbrooks55]

Hey look Vickers shouldn't have blocked him that far down to the banking. There is no argument about that. But Jr. hooking him into the the rest of the field was uncalled for. He wrecked a lot of innocent cars and could have hurt somebody. They were both wrong, but Jr.'s actions had much more serious consequences.

He had no choice but to drive back up or loose control himself...either way he would have wrecked someone...not to mention you try making that decision at almost 200mph 1foot away from another car...If it was me or you the whole field would have been wrecked!

[ToightLikeATiger]

Hey look Vickers shouldn't have blocked him that far down to the banking. There is no argument about that. But Jr. hooking him into the the rest of the field was uncalled for. He wrecked a lot of innocent cars and could have hurt somebody. They were both wrong, but Jr.'s actions had much more serious consequences.

Hey look Earnhardt Jr has to get back on the track after being forced down below the yellow as soon as he possibly can. Going below the yellow caused the car to clearly get loose as well. Sure he could have waited for the whole field to go by then get back on the track but noone in Nascar or any racing circuit would do that. He tried to get back into position before he was pushed down and accidently clipped the back of Vickers. There is no way to prove it was intentional. Jr's past driving style would indicate he isnt someone that would do that. If it were Kyle Busch or Tony Stewart then there would be a good case for it.

Jr had 3 options.... 1. wreck in the grass. 2. slow down and go to back of the pack or get rear ended. 3. try and get back into position and continue to race.

If any driver would have picked anything but #3 they dont belong in racing. Racers just dont think that way.

[AdrianMonk]

Where was he supposed to go??? Not into the rear quarter panel of the 83! He should of done what any NORMAL driver wouldve done, and dropped in behind the Vickers car. And the "Keebler Elf" should be in Victory Lane, if it wasnt for the ***** with the no talent in the 88 car, who shouldve been FIVE LAPS DOWN. Typical Junior fan though, enjoys the downfall of another TALENTED driver, to make up for the lack of talent of their SAVIOR. God, I hate him! and all the sheep that follow him.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[AdrianMonk]

He had no choice but to drive back up or loose control himself...either way he would have wrecked someone...not to mention you try making that decision at almost 200mph 1foot away from another car...If it was me or you the whole field would have been wrecked!

EXACTLY, it was probably less than a foot, I love when people see the replays and think they could've done differently! Most idiots hate Jr. cause they think he's gotten where he is because of Sr., maybe they don't know how he dominated the Busch series and that's why he made it to where he is now.

[kirk]

I agree with Tiger.....

[Todd13]

Hey look Vickers shouldn't have blocked him that far down to the banking. There is no argument about that. But Jr. hooking him into the the rest of the field was uncalled for. He wrecked a lot of innocent cars and could have hurt somebody. They were both wrong, but Jr.'s actions had much more serious consequences.

Exactly. This is how I feel about it. Jr hit Vickers and that caused the crash. Jr's head wasn't in this race all day. It just sucked because two lapped cars took out alot of the leaders.