The difference is KOBE wouldn't let them lose game 1...

[•SteelSpawn•]

LeBron...well thats another story...:D

[IronLungs31]

That what the great one's do! ;) We still have game 2 to come tomorrow... Let see what adjustments Denver is going to make.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

The biggest adjustment the Cavs needed to make was not letting one guy take 7 shots in a row.

Spread the ball around.

[Hardcore Legend]

What should Lebron have done? Not pass the ball to a wide open Delonte West who just canned one from there? Not win the jump ball and make the perfect tip pass to Mo Williams for the final shot with 1 second left?

[Steve G.]

Go Lakers.

[IronLungs31]

What should Lebron have done? Not pass the ball to a wide open Delonte West who just canned one from there? Not win the jump ball and make the perfect tip pass to Mo Williams for the final shot with 1 second left?

Oh no... That is what he should have done. He just missed contested shot.

[IronLungs31]

Lebron was really pounding the ball in the last few minutes of the 4th though. He has not learned how to pace himself. That why he was probably crappin at the end. Play that hard for that long when you are need more in the 4th. he will learn just young and that comes with age.

[Paul755]

More like the Nuggets inability to hit free throws or inbound the ball wouldn't let the Lakers lose game 1

[mkupper]

Just wait until Lebron owns Kobe in the finals.

[Kleptos18]

Lebron was the only one doing anything last nite. You can't put the loss on his shoulders.

[•SteelSpawn•]

What should Lebron have done? Not pass the ball to a wide open Delonte West who just canned one from there? Not win the jump ball and make the perfect tip pass to Mo Williams for the final shot with 1 second left?

he def should have not passed that last shot when he went baseline...

[cniles]

More like the Nuggets inability to hit free throws or inbound the ball wouldn't let the Lakers lose game 1

Im sure Kobe had Something to do with them losing :D

[MCWHITEY]

what a joy to watch, BOTH game 1's. Playoffs this year have been amazingly entertaining.


Lakers win again tonight.

Magic fan until they win 3 more.

[quiggle]

are Mike Breen, Jeff Van Gumby and Mark Jaxson calling the NBA Finals? would be neat if the Magic went to the Finals because you know they'd be pulling for them with Ewing and the Knicks ties.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Lebron ran out of gas at the end of the game....put that with his lack of big shot capabilities and you got what you saw last night. Kobe always has something left in the tank in the end and can make the big shot.

Kobe is the better player still. Lebron has closed the gap no doubt but Kobe is still the guy Id want with the ball in his hands in crunch time.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Lebron ran out of gas at the end of the game....put that with his lack of big shot capabilities and you got what you saw last night. Kobe always has something left in the tank in the end and can make the big shot.

Kobe is the better player still. Lebron has closed the gap no doubt but Kobe is still the guy Id want with the ball in his hands in crunch time.

Probably the ONLY thing we'll ever agree on! :p

[ogrjmj]

What should Lebron have done? Not pass the ball to a wide open Delonte West who just canned one from there? Not win the jump ball and make the perfect tip pass to Mo Williams for the final shot with 1 second left?

he was at the rim,take it right at the the big nobody under the basket and at least get fouled..

[Third]

Lebron was amazing last night but Orlando was on fire from the outside.

I'm so tired of hearing the Kobe hype. Fisher nailed the three that finally put them up and Ariza had the steal that ended the game. Six of Kobe's points came when Denver HAD to foul to stop the clock. Did he have a big impact? No doubt, but come on, at least TRY to give his teammates props for their part in winning the game.

[Raven Maniac (aka TJ87)]

Probably the ONLY thing we'll ever agree on! :p

The Steelers still suck! :D

[•SteelSpawn•]

The Steelers still suck! :D

Easy there STALKER! :p :D

[ewto16]

Lebron was amazing last night but Orlando was on fire from the outside.

I'm so tired of hearing the Kobe hype. Fisher nailed the three that finally put them up and Ariza had the steal that ended the game. Six of Kobe's points came when Denver HAD to foul to stop the clock. Did he have a big impact? No doubt, but come on, at least TRY to give his teammates props for their part in winning the game.

So Kobe got help from his teammates to win the game and LeBron unfortunately did not in his game.

Both are great players.....it remains silly to continue to lable one as better than the other. Individually, LeBron had a better night. As a team, Kobe's teammates made the bigger shots at the end.

[MCWHITEY]

Lebron was amazing last night but Orlando was on fire from the outside.

I'm so tired of hearing the Kobe hype. Fisher nailed the three that finally put them up and Ariza had the steal that ended the game. Six of Kobe's points came when Denver HAD to foul to stop the clock. Did he have a big impact? No doubt, but come on, at least TRY to give his teammates props for their part in winning the game.

Wasn't it KOBE who hit Fish with a PERFECTLY PLACED PASS for a rhythm catch and shoot on that 3 pter??

[Hardcore Legend]

And if Delonte West had knocked down the wide open shot or Mo Williams tip shot had gone in, the discussion would be about how amazing Lebron was again in a playoff game.

The Cavs got to where they are this season by Lebron trusting his teammates. They've gotten a ton of clutch shots from Mo Gotti during the year because of teams triple teaming Lebron late in games. They've also seen Lebron go to the rack late in games and NOT get a call. I can't blame him for giving the ball up. How often do we ever see the refs call a foul with 4 seconds left in a game where the FTs can win the game? Especially in the playoffs.

[•SteelSpawn•]

So Kobe got help from his teammates to win the game and LeBron unfortunately did not in his game.

Both are great players.....it remains silly to continue to lable one as better than the other. Individually, LeBron had a better night. As a team, Kobe's teammates made the bigger shots at the end.

Funny last time I checked LeBron had the ball in his hands down by 1 on the baseline and gave it up. Kobe did pretty much everything in game 1 from defending the hottest guy in Melo in the 4th to knocking down 18 in the 4th. And yes it is ridiculous to continue the debate, or better yet give LeBron the baton at this time....We still have it, last time I checked. ;)

[•SteelSpawn•]

And if Delonte West had knocked down the wide open shot or Mo Williams tip shot had gone in, the discussion would be about how amazing Lebron was again in a playoff game.



But that didn't happen so keep dreaming....:D

[Hardcore Legend]

But Kobe didn't 'knock down' 18. He got 9 of those from the FT line, missed a jumper late in the game and also turned the ball over, only to have a ridiculous reach-in foul called to put the Lakers up 4.

[ToightLikeATiger]

It funny that Lebron/Cavs defenders are saying that Lebron made the right play by giving the ball up when he was double teamed in the line.

Well if Lebron was such a great closer he would have taken his defender 1 on 1 and made a jumper from the outside to win the game. But since Lebron cant rely on his shot (because its below average) he has to take everything to the basket where the lane is clogged.

That is the difference between Kobe and Lebron...Kobe can make a move 1 on 1 from the perimeter and pull up to hit a game winning jumper. Lebron hasnt proven he can do that yet. Until Lebron actually starts trusting himself (not being scared to take the game winner) and takes the outside shot to win games in the clutch he will be nothing more the a superstar who cant win the big one.

[madden821]

Kobe didn't let them lose? So what happened in the finals last year? Why did he let them lose then?

[Hardcore Legend]

It funny that Lebron/Cavs defenders are saying that Lebron made the right play by giving the ball up when he was double teamed in the line.

Well if Lebron was such a great closer he would have taken his defender 1 on 1 and made a jumper from the outside to win the game. But since Lebron can rely on his shot (because its below average) he has to take everything to the basket.

That is the difference between Kobe and Lebron...Kobe can make a move 1 on 1 from the perimeter and pull up to hit a game winning jumper. Lebron hasnt proven he can do that yet. Until Lebron actually starts trusting himself (not being scared to take the game winner) and takes the outside shot to win games in the clutch he will be nothing more the a superstar who cant win the big one.

You are the Spawn.com dunce.

Lebron was 3 for 6 from behind the 3-point line last night. He was double teamed IMMEDIATELY, so what move was he supposed to do to make 1 guy vanish from existence?

You'll do anything to bring down Lebron because it bothers you he is going to dominate the East for the next 10 years. You say he can't shoot, when he shot very well last night. You say he can't make FTs, when he raised his FT percentage by a great deal this season. You used to say he couldn't play defense, then he gets named to the all-NBA defense team and is 2nd to DPOTY.

Lebron's game is about making everyone around him better. It has been since the day he came in the league and still is today. It has nothing to do with 'being scared' to take the last shot, it has everything to do with having court vision and trusting his teammates when they are WIDE OPEN.

And for your information, Lebron has one of the best step-back moves in the league.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Kobe didn't let them lose? So what happened in the finals last year? Why did he let them lose then?

Celtics were a better team. They had more stars then the Lakers. They are the only team that would have beaten the Lakers last year. They had the star power to match up and they were tougher. Plus Bynum was out (which still wouldnt have changed the outcome).

This year Bynum is back and the Lakers wont have to face the Celtics. They are the best team in the NBA this year and they will win the championship because of that.

Stop living in the past...you are sounding like a Yankees fan.

[madden821]

So if Kobe loses its because the other team is better but if LeBron loses is because he isn't as good as Kobe?

[MCWHITEY]

You are the Spawn.com dunce.

Lebron was 3 for 6 from behind the 3-point line last night. He was double teamed IMMEDIATELY, so what move was he supposed to do to make 1 guy vanish from existence?


Hitting a 3 in the first 45 minutes vs the last 3 minutes, NIGHT and DAY.

[Beantown's Finest]

More like the Nuggets inability to hit free throws or inbound the ball wouldn't let the Lakers lose game 1

ditto

[ToightLikeATiger]

So if Kobe loses its because the other team is better but if LeBron loses is because he isn't as good as Kobe?

No Lebron isnt as good as Kobe and the Magic are better then the Cavs in this case.

It should be no suprise the Magic won that game or if they win the series. They have dominated the Cavs all season and in past seasons as well.

[•SteelSpawn•]

But Kobe didn't 'knock down' 18. He got 9 of those from the FT line, missed a jumper late in the game and also turned the ball over, only to have a ridiculous reach-in foul called to put the Lakers up 4.

That's still considered knocking down a shot! :rolleyes:


get from under your cave and see the light! :D

[•SteelSpawn•]

You are the Spawn.com dunce.



thought that was your title? :confused:

[madden821]

No Lebron isnt as good as Kobe and the Magic are better then the Cavs in this case.

It should be no suprise the Magic won that game or if they win the series. They have dominated the Cavs all season and in past seasons as well.

They were better for game 1 at least. The Cavs have been off for like 2 weeks so they could be a bit rusty. Game 2 will be a good indicator. If the Magic win or play very well it will be a rough series for Cleveland.

[•SteelSpawn•]

They were better for game 1 at least. The Cavs have been off for like 2 weeks so they could be a bit rusty. Game 2 will be a good indicator. If the Magic win or play very well it will be a rough series for Cleveland.

Geez, they were up by 16 at one point....:rolleyes:

hard to call that rust.

[ewto16]

Celtics were a better team. They had more stars then the Lakers. They are the only team that would have beaten the Lakers last year. They had the star power to match up and they were tougher. Plus Bynum was out (which still wouldnt have changed the outcome).

No Lebron isnt as good as Kobe and the Magic are better then the Cavs in this case.

It should be no suprise the Magic won that game or if they win the series. They have dominated the Cavs all season and in past seasons as well.

So using the quotes you just wrote, it wasn't LeBron's fault at all.....

Kobe lost last year because the Celtics were a better team and nothing he could have done would have prevented that.

LeBron lost last night, but according to you as I quoted above, the Magic are the better team and have been better than the Cavs this whole season, so like Kobe last year, it shouldn't really be his fault.

Once again you just talk to stir up trouble. It is what people find annoying about you.

[Hardcore Legend]

Geez, they were up by 16 at one point....:rolleyes:

hard to call that rust.

Lack of conditioning played a factor. They were gassed in the 4th quarter.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Lack of conditioning played a factor. They were gassed in the 4th quarter.

Lack of? Really? Gimme a break...or another excuse...

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

lbj is try very hard..kobe had a bit more help the other night, his teammates and nuggetts ft shooting

[Hardcore Legend]

Lack of? Really? Gimme a break...or another excuse...


It's not an excuse. No one said they lost because they were tired. You said that rust didn't exist because they were up 16. I pointed out that rust did exist because they hadn't been conditioned to play 40 minutes of playoff basketball for over a week. That's not why they lost but it was present.

They lost because Mo Williams and Delonte West were 10-for-35 and the Magic shot 50%+ in the 2nd half.

[•SteelSpawn•]

It's not an excuse. No one said they lost because they were tired. You said that rust didn't exist because they were up 16. I pointed out that rust did exist because they hadn't been conditioned to play 40 minutes of playoff basketball for over a week. That's not why they lost but it was present.

They lost because Mo Williams and Delonte West were 10-for-35 and the Magic shot 50%+ in the 2nd half.

Rust did not exist if you're up 16 points, sorry but rust is usually something that will occur in the beginning of games, not the end.

[•SteelSpawn•]

lbj is try very hard..kobe had a bit more help the other night, his teammates and nuggetts ft shooting

Oh really....Kobe did pretty much everything, scored 40...guarded Denver's best players throughout the game, especially Carmelo down the stretch and even had the presence to take it to the hole under a minute to draw a foul. Now LeBron had that opportunity last night and he choked!

[Hardcore Legend]

usually
:spawnorb:

[oldskool]

This thread is riduculous and some of the responses in here are pure head scratchers.

They both had great games. But if you watched both games from start to finish it's obvious Lebron was more dominant, on both ends of the floor. But the other team had this guy named Rashard Lewis so....

[Bill]

The Lakers without Kobe are a talented team which still makes the playoffs in the west. The Cavs without Lebron are a lottery team in the east.

[•SteelSpawn•]

The Lakers without Kobe are a talented team which still makes the playoffs in the west. The Cavs without Lebron are a lottery team in the east.

I don't know about all that...they both make that team go. bottom line...

[WhO Iz THiZ Iz]

GO NUGGETS!

[Fez]

LeBron...well thats another story...:D

Kobe will always be the guy who QUIT against the Suns in the 2006 NBA playoffs.

[MCWHITEY]

The Lakers without Kobe are a talented team which still makes the playoffs in the west. The Cavs without Lebron are a lottery team in the east.

Cavs and whoever in place of Lebron, make the playoffs in the weak ass east.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Kobe will always be the guy who QUIT against the Suns in the 2006 NBA playoffs.

:rolleyes:

[redgie]

The Lakers without Kobe are a talented team which still makes the playoffs in the west. The Cavs without Lebron are a lottery team in the east.

100 % true. The Cavs by now will be getting Blake Griffin in this year's draft if Lebron is not with the Cavs. :D

[mkupper]

Kobe will always be the guy who QUIT against the Suns in the 2006 NBA playoffs.

Yep.

[IronLungs31]

This has been a good read on this thread... keep it going fellas. For both teams it was just game one. I love those Lakers, but the will have to show what they are made of in this game 2, as well, as the Cavs in their game 2. I'm going to hold to my bullets until we (Lakers) are the last team standing. Then there will be no more excuse, just proof. My signature as been the same all season long and that the way that it's going to end up.

Go Lakers! I need to add a new banner to my room... To bad Cavs fans you guys don't even have one to talk about from the past...LOL @ U Guys!

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr221/IronLungs31/MyCollectionRoom012-Copy.jpg

One...

[ToightLikeATiger]

I never said it was Lebron's fault they lost. I just said he isnt a good closer and he isnt as good as Kobe. Perhaps you should comprehend what I say before you run your mouth.

Nothing has changed in this thread from what Ive said. Kobe > Lebron. Lebron cant take the big shot to win a game because his shooting ability isnt high enough.

The Magic are probably a better team because the record vs the Cavs this year and previous years have shown that.

Not once did I say the Cavs lost last night because of Lebron James. They wouldnt have been close without Lebron. But if Lebron was the best player in the league he would have taken that game winning shot.

Also I made these comments not to stir up trouble but to give my opinion on the matter on a sports board in a thread pertaining to the subject. I could care less if people on here like me or not. If you dont like me because my opinion differs from yours then I dont want to be your friend anyway. You clearly cant handle other peoples opinion. Those people that act like that end up on my ignore list.

So using the quotes you just wrote, it wasn't LeBron's fault at all.....

Kobe lost last year because the Celtics were a better team and nothing he could have done would have prevented that.

LeBron lost last night, but according to you as I quoted above, the Magic are the better team and have been better than the Cavs this whole season, so like Kobe last year, it shouldn't really be his fault.

Once again you just talk to stir up trouble. It is what people find annoying about you.

[alihoops]

now let's hear all the lakers excuses....

[Chewdeezy]

Looks like Kobe let the Lakers lose tonight...

[APM]

LMAO. How funny is this now. Up by 16 and the Lakers lose. Kobe is ...........

[alihoops]

Looks like Kobe let the Lakers lose tonight...

;)



:D

[redgie]

hahaha He allowed his teammates to shoot the ball down the stretch.. Now that was clutch

[M-41A]

What some of you have to remember is that Laker fans are some of the most bias and proud fans in all of sports...

I cannot fathom how anyone can knock King James.

The dude went off. Jerry West said it himself. And if Jerry West is the guy talking; you can take that to the bank. Lebron has suprassed Kobe as a player. It's true. I'm a fan and coach. I believe this as well. Hopefully Lebron will start and surpass those championships of Kobe's; which will be most impressive considering Lebron is without a 350 pound center to dominate the paint.

And Kobe is being outplayed by Melo. Sorry. Not a fan of either player but its true...and awesome to watch I might add. I love match-ups such as these. Two great players. Head to head. Dropping nickels left and right. It's awesome and great for the game.

And to the guy above: Since when does the star power on paper make a team better than the field? I.e. the chokster Lakers of years back when they had an all star line up as their starting five...People can talk about last years finals all they want. The Lakers got schooled. Plain and simple. No center. No heart. And NO championship calibre player i.e Michael Jordan to take over the game no matter the "star power" the opposition has. Just my take. In addition if you are banking on Bynum being the reason the Lakers may or may not win it all this year I'd get your money back.

And I might add...Laker fans need to seriously sit back and realize how close they were to being down 0-2 in this series. Denver is no joke and macthes up well against the Lakers. Very well. Go Nuggets.

[•SteelSpawn•]

how does the ref miss that tip ball violation on jr smith!

[Pariah]

The same way they miss 50 fouls and 10 travels every game

[IronLungs31]

The same way they miss 50 fouls and 10 travels every game

Good point rook...

[madden821]

Looks like Kobe let the Lakers lose tonight...

Nice job Kobe. Let your team down again.

[IronLungs31]

Series is not over yet... Pretty sure that we are going to get a win on their home floor.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Nice job Kobe. Let your team down again.

u can say that he did...I can't deny that I expect A LOT from him!

[mkupper]

Boy Kobe really blew Game 2 BIG TIME! Fell flat on his face literally. If the Cavs win their game 2 I'm starting a thread with the title "the difference is Lebron wouldn't let them lose game 2..."

[IronLungs31]

Boy Kobe really blew Game 2 BIG TIME! Fell flat on his face literally. If the Cavs win their game 2 I'm starting a thread with the title "the difference is Lebron wouldn't let them lose game 2..."

That the key word. Every team is going to lose. I don't understand why you guys are getting so worked. This early into a series...Lakers & Cavs will probably lose one more.

[mkupper]

...Lakers a Cavs will probably one more.

:confused:

[shawnspookcity]

^^ I'm seconding that.

[ToightLikeATiger]

how does the ref miss that tip ball violation on jr smith!

Id be more upset at Carmelo tripping Ariza and no foul being called there. Both were missed calls.

[ewto16]

I never said it was Lebron's fault they lost. I just said he isnt a good closer and he isnt as good as Kobe. Perhaps you should comprehend what I say before you run your mouth.

Nothing has changed in this thread from what Ive said. Kobe > Lebron. Lebron cant take the big shot to win a game because his shooting ability isnt high enough.

The Magic are probably a better team because the record vs the Cavs this year and previous years have shown that.

Not once did I say the Cavs lost last night because of Lebron James. They wouldnt have been close without Lebron. But if Lebron was the best player in the league he would have taken that game winning shot.

Also I made these comments not to stir up trouble but to give my opinion on the matter on a sports board in a thread pertaining to the subject. I could care less if people on here like me or not. If you dont like me because my opinion differs from yours then I dont want to be your friend anyway. You clearly cant handle other peoples opinion. Those people that act like that end up on my ignore list.

And you dance around what was said again, changing the argument to what you want it to be. No matter.

Seems that Phil didn't trust Kobe to take the big shot last night....

[ToightLikeATiger]

And you dance around what was said again, changing the argument to what you want it to be. No matter.

Seems that Phil didn't trust Kobe to take the big shot last night....

I didnt change anything my comments have stayed consistant. You can try to get into another argument if you want but im sticking with the one at hand. Lebron isnt a good closer. He is a great player but until he learns to close games he isnt as good as Kobe.

As for last night the Nuggets denied Kobe the ball on the inbound. So they went to Derek Fisher who has hit many a big shots in the playoffs (San Antonio fans know that). Ariza wasnt going to in bound the ball to Kobe when he was heavily guarded and turn it over like the Nuggets did in game 1.

If there was more time on the clock Kobe would have had the ball in his hand and taking that final shot. There is a big difference between trying to in bound the ball and get a 3 point shot off with 4 seconds left and Lebron dribbling the ball and running the clock down for the final shot then passing up on the shot.

Im done discussing this issue with you...clearly you want to start a fight of some sort and Im not interested in doing so. You can have your opinion I have mine.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Id be more upset at Carmelo tripping Ariza and no foul being called there. Both were missed calls.

Well, violation call gives us the ball out of bounds. Ariza, looked to me like he slipped with his left foot but could have a called a tripping on Melo I suppose but that didn't bug me as much as the obvious violation by Smith, oh well.....Game 3 tomorrow.

[•SteelSpawn•]

Seems that Phil didn't trust Kobe to take the big shot last night....

That's a little stupid to say if you ask me....you really think that? I have to give Melo a lot of credit last night, his defense denying Kobe the ball in the 4th was solid especially with 4 seconds left....I know it's after the fact but Fisher could have passed it back to Walton for a wide open 3.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Well, violation call gives us the ball out of bounds. Ariza, looked to me like he slipped with his left foot but could have a called a tripping on Melo I suppose but that didn't bug me as much as the obvious violation by Smith, oh well.....Game 3 tomorrow.

I didnt even notice the violation originally. Yes it should have been called. But the Ariza thing was a foul I thought. Melo clearly put his leg in between Ariza's and when Ariza moved he went down because of it. Usually thats a foul.

There were 2 missed calls right there at the end but Im not suprised they were missed. The NBA officiating has been horrible all playoffs and I am more suprised when they call a good game.

That whole game last night was poorly officiated. Way too many free throws on both sides. I think there were over 70 free throws combined. I dont want to watch a free throw contest...I want to see basketball. Too many ticky tack calls. Let them be a little more physical.

Im also tired of seeing fouls being called when the offensive player drives to the hoop, throws their body into the defender and all the defend does is jump straight up. That is not a defensive foul. Its a no call.

[ToightLikeATiger]

That's a little stupid to say if you ask me....you really think that? I have to give Melo a lot of credit last night, his defense denying Kobe the ball in the 4th was solid especially with 4 seconds left....I know it's after the fact but Fisher could have passed it back to Walton for a wide open 3.

Gotta give Nene a lot of credit too for switching off his man and contesting that Fisher shot. He really closed in quickly and gave Fisher only enough room to get the shot off. I really thought Fisher was going to drain that shot....but clearly Nene contesting forced Fisher to put more air under it and it came up short. That shot was right on line and probably goes in if Nene is any later geting to Fisher.

[freezowave1978]

The video of Chauncey throwing the ball of Kobe's back, only to then go in and make an uncontested layup is one of my new favorites. Better yet was that basket ended up being the margin of victory.

I wish Chauncey would get the credit he is due. The guy is a top 3 point guard (CP3 and Deron Williams as the other two).

[Mike in Orlando]

Let's go Magic!

[madcracker]

Once again you just talk to stir up trouble. It is what people find annoying about you.

Well that, and the fact that he doesn't have a clue about anything.

[jonsoriano08]

It's gonna be a battle in Denver and all I can see if the Lakers getting better from it.

Btw, I never really like Melo, but dyam...he can ball.

[Bill]

Denver will probly be up 3-1 when they go back to LA, now will the Lakers come back from that is the question. Maybe the Laker fan from Boston will answer first

[Third]

I didnt even notice the violation originally. Yes it should have been called. But the Ariza thing was a foul I thought. Melo clearly put his leg in between Ariza's and when Ariza moved he went down because of it. Usually thats a foul.

Too many ticky tack calls. Let them be a little more physical.

You want them to call a trip where legs were tangled but also want them to let them be more physical? :confused:

[ToightLikeATiger]

You want them to call a trip where legs were tangled but also want them to let them be more physical? :confused:

If they have been calling it like that the whole game yes.

[Third]

If they have been calling it like that the whole game yes.

It's the playoffs, there shouldn't be any ticky tack calls, that one included.

[ewto16]

I didnt change anything my comments have stayed consistant. You can try to get into another argument if you want but im sticking with the one at hand. Lebron isnt a good closer. He is a great player but until he learns to close games he isnt as good as Kobe.

As for last night the Nuggets denied Kobe the ball on the inbound. So they went to Derek Fisher who has hit many a big shots in the playoffs (San Antonio fans know that). Ariza wasnt going to in bound the ball to Kobe when he was heavily guarded and turn it over like the Nuggets did in game 1.

If there was more time on the clock Kobe would have had the ball in his hand and taking that final shot. There is a big difference between trying to in bound the ball and get a 3 point shot off with 4 seconds left and Lebron dribbling the ball and running the clock down for the final shot then passing up on the shot.

Im done discussing this issue with you...clearly you want to start a fight of some sort and Im not interested in doing so. You can have your opinion I have mine.

I'm too lazy to look it up or know how to exactly, but I would bet that LeBron has a higher finishing % than Kobe this season. Finishing % being successful game winning shots or assists on a game winning shot out of number of attempts.

Hmmm...never underestimate the Internet.

Lebron > Kobe http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm

Technically LeBron > rest of NBA

[•SteelSpawn•]

I'm too lazy to look it up or know how to exactly, but I would bet that LeBron has a higher finishing % than Kobe this season. Finishing % being successful game winning shots or assists on a game winning shot out of number of attempts.

You actually have to look it up, really? :D


I would look at it from his whole career, not just this season. He is the best closer in the game today....LeBron had a better season but still looking up at Kobe.

[imaginegrafix]

If they have been calling it like that the whole game yes.

by that logic rondo should have been suspended and perkins as well.

Bottom line is that NBA refs suck - not sure if it's just the modern era and all the camera angles/replays or maybe that players are walking on eggshells out there half the time......... but it makes it hard to watch.

[ToightLikeATiger]

It's the playoffs, there shouldn't be any ticky tack calls, that one included.

A trip really isnt a ticky tack call though. Especially since Melo purposely put his foot in between Ariza's so he would trip. That was more of a foul then some of the things called in that game.

[ToightLikeATiger]

You actually have to look it up, really? :D


I would look at it from his whole career, not just this season. He is the best closer in the game today....LeBron had a better season but still looking up at Kobe.

Billups and Pierce are better closer's then Lebron as well. There are others in the league that are comparible to Lebron also.

[GodzillaSpawn]

The video of Chauncey throwing the ball of Kobe's back, only to then go in and make an uncontested layup is one of my new favorites. Better yet was that basket ended up being the margin of victory.

I wish Chauncey would get the credit he is due. The guy is a top 3 point guard (CP3 and Deron Williams as the other two).

He doesn't? Man I never hear anyone speak a leak of negativity about the guy (who deserves all compliments) but I guess you mean being in more commercials and such?

Cause everyone knows the dude is just great. There is no other word he is simply amazing and the ultimate team player.

[Creation88]

lol someone spoke to soon.

[ewto16]

You actually have to look it up, really? :D


I would look at it from his whole career, not just this season. He is the best closer in the game today....LeBron had a better season but still looking up at Kobe.

Billups and Pierce are better closer's then Lebron as well. There are others in the league that are comparible to Lebron also.

Apparently neither of you bothered to actually click the link, since it shows LeBron is better than Kobe very clearly. Wouldn't want to let facts get in the way. :rolleyes:

Data sample
Regular Seasons: '03-04, '04-05, '05-06, '06-07, '07-08, '08-09 (thru 2/4)
Playoffs: '03-04, '04-05, '05-06, '06-07, '07-08

So we're looking at five full regular and playoff seasons, with additionally the current 08-09 season through 2/4/09

Only Bryant (56) and Carter (51) have taken more game winning shots than LeBron. LBJ has 1 more make than Carter and 3 more than Kobe. He has 3 more assists than Carter and 5 more than Kobe.

Pierce is 10th and Billups is somewhere around 40th :rolleyes: . Kobe hasn't been the best over the last 6 individual season, though LBJ was last year.

In the playoffs, since I assume this is the next arguement, Kobe and LBJ are tied with 4 game winning shots, but LBJ also has an assist, giving him a slight edge. ;)

So again, please tell me how LBJ isn't clutch, isn't a finisher, doesn't take the last shot for his team, and doesn't win the game with it on the line. The stats don't lie and clearly show that he is just as clutch as Kobe and actually better in every case.

[Mack]

This thread is funny now :D

[Chevy Man 22]

Damn what a shot by the King

[ToightLikeATiger]

Great shot by Lebron to win the game tonight. If he can do that more often then he could be the best ever.

[ncblue79]

Funny thread!!

[APM]

Great shot by Lebron to win the game tonight. If he can do that more often then he could be the best ever.

Agree!!!
I say he is on his way.

[madcracker]

Boy you're gonna look silly if Kobe lets the Lakers lose game 2.

[mkupper]

Boy you're gonna look silly if Kobe lets the Lakers lose game 2.

He already did - and literally fell flat on his face doing it.

[madden821]

You gotta love everyone ripping LeBron 2 days ago and kissing his ass now. NBA its fantastic. :)

[Chewdeezy]

Unbelievable!

[IronLungs31]

I hope that no one really thought that we were not goingto get atleast one game in Denver. Great game tonight again!