Steve McNair found dead... listed as probable for next game

[Bathrat]

http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=10643962

the man was a warrior on the field, played through alot of injuries.

[bluemacaw2]

wow

[Sickman]

Where do you get murder-suicide?

It says "Police said it looked like a double homicide. A female victim was also found dead."

[Bathrat]

Where do you get murder-suicide?

It says "Police said it looked like a double homicide. A female victim was also found dead." twitter

[Spider Man]

What? wow?
I dont see this news anywhere else, its not on yahoo, or nfl.com or espn.com yet...
RIP if its true

[Sickman]

twitter

Who twitted that?

[tgriffey30]

Also said murder-suicide on profootballtalk.

[snedden001]

damn.....

[Goalkeeper]

WTH?!?!?!?!

[Bathrat]

Who twitted that? http://twitter.com/BreakingNews

[Sickman]

Also said murder-suicide on profootballtalk.

It now says this on profootballtalk. and the twitter page that bathrat linked...

UPDATE: The report from NewsChanel5.com has been revised to describe the situation as a "double homicide."

[sportsnut2006]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/04/report-steve-mcnair-slain/

[mrmet6986]

holy hell!!!!!

totally a didn't see that coming scenario. all thoughts with his family.

never loved McNair but thought he was always a solid player who seemingly always got the short end of the stick and never got proper recognition.

just makes you wonder what the hell is up with the world of pro football? people make a big deal about roids in baseball but how about all the murders and such that seem to happen daily in the NFL?

[Creation88]

woah.

[SunDevil]

WOW

R.I.P. Steve "Air" McNair :(

[snedden001]

Its amazing how fast news hits this board. Beat every major media outlet this time. The Spawn Army is unreal.

[Bathrat]

Its amazing how fast news hits this board. Beat every major media outlet this time. The Spawn Army is unreal. I got it from the IGN boards, 3rd largest forums on the internet, it ALWAYS beats major outlets to breaking news.

[Chevy Man 22]

Waits for confirmation from a large media outlet such as ESPN, NFL.com, CNN, ect...

[snedden001]

espn confirmed

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4306275

[HenRoc]

It's all over the news here, I haven't heard anything about a murder-suicide.

[Poochiesdead]

Jesus...

[kingjames209]

omg, i finally saw it on cnn, how come its not on espn

[Miami Mike]

That sucks. I always liked him. My prayers go out to his family.

[ncblue79]

My goodness!

[Chevy Man 22]

Anyone know the whereabouts of Ray Lewis at this time ? lol

[HenRoc]

They are interviewing a member of the police right now.

[HenRoc]

Police are not sure if this happened last night or eariler today, Someone was taken away for questioning eariler.

[Bathrat]

He's played through worse pain than a hole in the head.

[GodzillaSpawn]

Holy crap. What a bad couple of weeks :(

[Elias_Devil]

RIP

[TastySweetNutz]

Geez...I saw the breaking news on yahoo sports. This is so shocking.

RIP Steve McNair

[Big Hank]

RIP Air McNair

[IronLungs31]

Its amazing how fast news hits this board. Beat every major media outlet this time. The Spawn Army is unreal.

I have made this statement many times. You are 100% correct!

[Chevy Man 22]

How did TMZ get beat to the punch cause I know their slime ball reporters don't get holiday's off.

[Hockeyfan74]

He's from Mount Olive about 10 miles south of me. I'll be hearing a lot of rumour over this one.

[Chase22]

RIP Air McNair

[DJBurnside]

There is a big crowd starting to gather at his condo.

[Chevy Man 22]

Its amazing how fast news hits this board. Beat every major media outlet this time. The Spawn Army is unreal.

Simple because the media outlets generally wait for confirmation while online message board folks don't. Now most times it ends up being true but still it's easy to condemn the media for being slow when we aren't the the ones getting criticized if the info is inaccurate we just simply hit delete and move on as if the mistake didn't happen.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Wow what is it with Titans QB's wanting to kill themselves? Vince Young's group of shirtless male friends better watch out.

RIP McNair.

Overrated as a player but always thought he was a class act and model citizen for the NFL.

[ChrisF34]

wow

[Chevy Man 22]

Wow what is it with Titans QB's wanting to kill themselves? Vince Young's group of shirtless male friends better watch out.

RIP McNair.

Overrated as a player but always thought he was a class act and model citizen for the NFL.

More like Kerry Collins better hire some security and invest in some bullet proof body armor :D

[DJBurnside]

More like Kerry Collins better hire some security and invest in some bullet proof body armor :D

Hilarious guys

[trucrew]

I was just at the Hot Chicken Festival downtown about an hour ago. My family was really wondering why there was so many frantic police running around the area. The McNair Condo was where they were heading!!!!

[ToightLikeATiger]

More like Kerry Collins better hire some security and invest in some bullet proof body armor :D

Jeff Fisher wishes he kept Chris Simms around now.

[Chevy Man 22]

Jeff Fisher wishes he kept Chris Simms around now.

or Pac Man at least he could shoot back

[UFCFan]

or Pac Man at least he could shoot back

LOL. Ba-dum-ching!

[RunDMC20]

Unbelievable.

[payton34smith22]

No, No, No!!! RIP :(

[ToightLikeATiger]

or Pac Man at least he could shoot back

No Pac Man's bodyguard would shoot back. Pac Man would hide behind the bodyguard until Vince was down for the count then kick him and act like he did something.

[Goalkeeper]

Its amazing how fast news hits this board. Beat every major media outlet this time. The Spawn Army is unreal.

Totally agree!

[Karnis]

RIP "Air" McNair.

[utgrad92]

Sad.....

[Chevy Man 22]

CNN reporting the woman was McNairs girlfriend and it was her condo in which they were found. Apparently they were found by one of his former body guards who had been unable to contact him for some time.

[astros86]

Wow. He was and still is one of my favorite players of all time. Being a huge Oilers fan, I will definitely miss him. RIP, you'll be missed.

[frinspar]

**** **** **** **** **** **** ****
All the people that have died recently, this is the one that I grieve.

BTW, the thread title is great.

[dwash86]

:(:(:(:(

WHY do people gather at the scene when celebs die:confused:

[Chevy Man 22]

:(:(:(:(

WHY do people gather at the scene when celebs die:confused:

Because they know it's their one big chance to get on TV


http://www.notbored.org/hi-mom.jpg

[actionfiguresrme]

Very SAD news!

[Disconnekted]

RIP Steve Mcnair.

These past couple weeks have sucked.

[thereturnofthefiend5]

i pulled out the mcnair jersey today and will be wearing it all day in memory of one of my favorite players :( this really sucks

[CowboysFanSince82]

RIP:(
http://www.airmcnairinc.com/images/stevehome.jpg

[Mack]

One of my favorite players ever... this one truly makes me sad :(

RIP Air McNair

[daboltz]

RIP! Got to meet him and got his autograph back in 1995 during training camp. Just tragic...

[Hockeyfan74]

eBay hounds have been released.

[Miami Mike]

BTW Great Headline.

[kirk]

Crazy...RIP

[Japericho]

This guy was a good guy never in trouble.Bad things happend to good people.Let's the facts play out before everybody on here starts rushing there judgement.I would have never guessed it would be him to go.It's just bad when the good guys go and the bad guys are still here thats pretty depressing.

[quiggle]

did they catch the perpetrators?

[jonsoriano08]

WTH!!! What is wrong with this world. Sad to hear. RIP Air.

[smwomer48]

This guy was a good guy never in trouble.Bad things happend to good people.Let's the facts play out before everybody on here starts rushing there judgement.I would have never guessed it would be him to go.It's just bad when the good guys go and the bad guys are still here thats pretty depressing.

Well said. I agree. You never heard about McNair getting into any trouble off the field, at least from what I remember. The guy was a class act all around. I wasn't an Oilers/Titans fan but the guy was one of the toughest players in the NFL to play through so many injuries. He will be missed. R.I.P Steve.

[The Trove]

Rest in peace Air McNair. :(

[jjks]

Overrated as a player but always thought he was a class act and model citizen for the NFL.

Just couldn't say something nice without being insulting at the same time could you? Must be the Boston in you.

Local news isn't offering up any information about the identity of the woman, or speculating what he was doing at a condo on 2nd Ave. That crime scene is about to get flooded with people because its so close to the riverfront where the fireworks show will be tonight.

[jjks]

Well said. I agree. You never heard about McNair getting into any trouble off the field, at least from what I remember.

He got stopped for a DUI on Broadway a few years ago, and it seems like there might have been some issue with a loaded weapon in his car during the stop. That was really the extent of any off-the-field issues though. He did a TON for the community, and really did seem to be a genuinely good person.

[snedden001]

I agree that McNair was all class. He was a Steeler Killer for sure, though. Right up there with Eric Metcalf, Lorenzo White, etc.

[DoublePlay643]

R.I.P
my prayers go out to your and your family.... This is sad ....

[HenRoc]

I agree that McNair was all class. He was a Steeler Killer for sure, though. Right up there with Eric Metcalf, Lorenzo White, etc.

Yeah, he's got to be #1 on that list.

[Chewdeezy]

Wow, RIP.

[smwomer48]

He got stopped for a DUI on Broadway a few years ago, and it seems like there might have been some issue with a loaded weapon in his car during the stop. That was really the extent of any off-the-field issues though. He did a TON for the community, and really did seem to be a genuinely good person.

Okay, I missed that part. But other than that, you never heard anything negative about him. Unlike Pacman, Odell Thurman, Chris Henry, etc who repeatedly made negative headlines McNair was the exact opposite. All the things he did for charity and for underprivileged children says a lot about the man. You are right, he was a genuinely good person and a class act.

[payton34smith22]

The only other time I felt like this was when Sweetness passed away. McNair is one of my all time fav players. This is very sad news....damn...I just can't believe it.


:( :( :(

[cncrebello]

OMG...very very sad news....I am in utter shock right now... :(. He was a true warrior on the field. Played with extreme pain. He will be missed. I can't believe it.

God Bless :(

[YlhandlZ]

RIP

[BigFred]

Terrible. I thought McNair was married? If so, is his wife a suspect?

[AdrianMonk]

I swear when I first saw it on the news,I confused him with Vince Young and my first thought was suicide cause of the problems he's had,took me a few minutes to register that it was Mcnair,really sad news.

[quiggle]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Steve-McNair-2006-Baltimore-Ravens-Game-Used-Jersey-LOA_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trkparmsZ65Q3a16Q7c66Q3a2Q7c39Q3a1Q7c293Q3a1Q7c294Q3a50QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em14QQhashZitem3ef656da20QQitemZ270420859424QQptZLHQ5fDefaultDomainQ5f0QQsalenotsupported

[alphawhite]

One of my FAV non Bears, a lot of people say he was overrated, btu I thought he played GREAT seeing as he never seemed healthy:(

[HenRoc]

is his wife a suspect?

My Thoughts exactly.

[madden821]

Terrible. I thought McNair was married? If so, is his wife a suspect?

My Thoughts exactly.

Or if he was seeing that other woman who was shot maybe her boyfriend/husband?

[AaronG]

Wow, crazy!! RIP Steve

[bolter]

R.I.P. Steve McNair

[BTW: Pretty classless thread title. OP is a POS.]

[HenRoc]

Or if he was seeing that other woman who was shot maybe her boyfriend/husband?

Yeah, that makes sense too.

[SDhalcon]

R.I.P. Steve McNair

[BTW: Pretty classless thread title. OP is a POS.]

WRONG!!! The title is great, I think. It pays tribute to McNair, as he was always hurt, rarely practiced, but somehow still managed to lace 'em up come game day. I don't see anything wrong with it at all. Too much freaking political correctness in this country now.

[Poochiesdead]

Yeah the title is fine, although some of the jokes earlier were a little classless.

[todderfield]

RIP Steve... Loved his toughness on the field...

I remember the christmas before the titans went to the superbowl I was given a gift... a signed team football... and right on the sweet spot was Steve Mcnair.... thrilled me to death, was the greatest christmas gift I have ever gotten.

[mrclean08]

Why so many notable deaths this summer? :(

R.I.P. McNair. You gave us a helluva Super Bowl against the Rams.

[Bathrat]

R.I.P. Steve McNair

[BTW: Pretty classless thread title. OP is a POS.]
you've misunderstood

[bolter]

you've misunderstood

Ok, whatever... I just feel it could have done without it.

[bluemacaw2]

title is fine, its a tribute of his reputation! He was a Steelers killer. If anyone is familiar with his work ethic they will know what is meant by it. The dude took a beating in games and he was always right back out there the next week. He was a warrior. Sad to seem him go. RIP

[quiggle]

have they identified the woman yet? maybe he was having an affair with her and a jealous mate came over and killed them both out of spite rage.

[Japericho]

He come so close to beating the Rams in the Super Bowl.I always remember his face after that play that put the Bills out of the playoffs.

[Tanner2126]

RIP McNair

You wonder why Plaxico carries a gun.

[eaglefreak21]

RIP to a great QB and even better person

[316what]

Note to the married guys: don't cheat on your wife.:(

[HenRoc]

Lots of news coming out on this, per ESPN.com:

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Former NFL quarterback Steve McNair (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=733) was shot multiple times, including once in the head, and a pistol was discovered near the body of the 20-year-old woman found dead with him Saturday in a downtown condominium.
Nashville police spokesman Don Aaron identified the woman as Sahel Kazemi, whom he called a "friend" of McNair's. She had a single gunshot wound to the head

Police said the 36-year-old McNair was found on the sofa in the living room, and Kazemi was very close to him on the floor. Aaron said the gun was not "readily apparent" when police first arrived.
Autopsies were planned for Sunday.
Aaron said McNair's wife, Mechelle, is "very distraught."
"At this juncture, we do not believe she is involved," he said. "Nothing has been ruled out, but as far as actively looking for a suspect tonight, the answer would be no."
The bodies were discovered Saturday afternoon by McNair's longtime friend Wayne Neeley, who said he rents the condo with McNair.
Aaron said Neeley told authorities he went into the condo, saw McNair on the sofa and Kazemi on the floor but walked first into the kitchen before going back into the living room, where he saw the blood.
Neeley then called a friend, who alerted authorities.
Police said a witness saw McNair arrive at the condo between 1:30 and 2 a.m. Saturday and that Kazemi's vehicle was already there.
Two days ago, Nashville police arrested Kazemi on a DUI charge while driving a 2007 Escalade registered to her and McNair. McNair was in the front seat, but didn't break the law and was allowed to leave by taxi.

[quiggle]

According to the same NashvillePost.com sources, a white woman in her early 20s, around 5-foot-4, approached McNair at the restaurant and accused him of slipping her a “roofie” a year ago.

The woman then told McNair, according to sources, that her boyfriend was going to kill him.



http://images.sportsbybrooks.com/9/6/96bb73e0ac984dc2d564740cf6b2ddff_sahelkazemiphotostevemcnairgirlfriend.jpg

[frinspar]

Yeah, it sounds like he was dating this girl for a few months, and whatever happened between them pushed her to murder him then shoot herself.
She even drove an Escalade registered to both McNair and herself.
All the good he's responsible for, and this is how his legacy ends. ****ing stupid.

You idiot. You had so much good in your corner, and you go and pull some crap like this and have your life ended because of it.

Sad as hell.

[Chevy Man 22]

ok obviously I'm not into the whole club scene so what is a " Roofie " ? Is like a date rape drug of some sort ?

[HenRoc]

http://www.televisioninternet.com/news/pictures/sahel-Kazemi-photo.jpg

[Buick GN]

Is like a date rape drug of some sort ?

You're correct.

[quiggle]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090705/capt.e1bc7549499a4ad494392a14d509af3c.aptopix_mcnair_killed_football__tner102.jpg

[HenRoc]

McNair's wife Mechelle said she had not heard from her husband in a couple of days. She was at the couple's home Saturday on Bear Road in Green Hills.

Police spokesman Don Aaron ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, and no note was found. He also said that the time of the deaths is uncertain and that they may not have occurred Saturday.

[Purdue_Pete]

Wow - just got home from a night of fireworks and fun with the family and see this crap. I friggin' loved McNair on the field and this is insane. I know he had a DUI and some issues, but was just a warrior on the field.

Sad to hear. Very weird...

[Kleptos18]

My guess: He got caught cause of the DUI the other night. He went over last nite to break it off. End it for good. She didn't like that idea and shot him several times. Then realized what she had done.

Murder Suicide.

[Chevy Man 22]

McNair's wife Mechelle said she had not heard from her husband in a couple of days. She was at the couple's home Saturday on Bear Road in Green Hills.

Police spokesman Don Aaron ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, and no note was found. He also said that the time of the deaths is uncertain and that they may not have occurred Saturday.


You haven't heard from your husband in a couple of days who is a high profile sports athlete and you aren't calling the cops to report him missing ?

Either it was common place for him to just turn up missing for days at the time or the wife knows more than she's telling.

[quiggle]

well who was the gun registered under?

[BigMOCats]

My guess: He got caught cause of the DUI the other night. He went over last nite to break it off. End it for good. She didn't like that idea and shot him several times. Then realized what she had done.

Murder Suicide.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Hardcore Legend]

ok obviously I'm not into the whole club scene so what is a " Roofie " ? Is like a date rape drug of some sort ?

I always wondered why they were called roofies. Cause you're more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call em groundies.

[TheEdge32EJ]

Just like with Chris Benoit it's best to wait for the offical word.

[frinspar]

I always wondered why they were called roofies. Cause you're more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call em groundies.
Because the kinds of loser idiot tards that would use the drugs bastardized the name because they can't read or speak.
They're called Rohypnol, but the lazy rapist morons that like using them couldn't pronounce or read it right, and thought they were called Rophynol. Then it became slang as "roofies".

[Msteg45]

Because the kinds of loser idiot tards that would use the drugs bastardized the name because they can't read or speak.
They're called Rohypnol, but the lazy rapist morons that like using them couldn't pronounce or read it right, and thought they were called Rophynol. Then it became slang as "roofies".

He was quoting "The Hangover"

[Hockeyfan74]

Steve McNair was known in this area to have a weak spot for the ladies. He's got a couple or more illegitimate children in these parts. I've met one. As far as I know and from what I could see, he at least saw that they were cared for.

The murder-suicide theory perpetrated by some immature clingy waitress ho doesn't surprise me one bit.

[TheRiddler]

Seriously...seems like everyone is dropping dead these days. McNair was awesome, I can't believe he's gone!

By the way, the title of this thread is awesome - he was a tough sob...I'll miss him!

[Metros69]

Steve McNair was one of the best QBs of the past 10 years. He played with heart every time he hit the field, no injury ever held him back. This is one of the saddest things i've heard in a while. Forget all the speculation about him cheating on his wife with this woman, let's remember who he was as a person and as a football player. RIP Steve McNair.

[d-line]

So sad to end his legacy with a F-up like this. My thoughts are with his family.....

[frinspar]

He was quoting "The Hangover"
Ah, haven't seen it.

[kobayashi93]

Just read about this. Sad news.

[SakuKoivuRulez11]

Rip Air McNair.

[Karnis]

From the Washington Post:

"Former Tennessee Titans and Baltimore Ravens quarterback Steve McNair, known for his prolific passing and on-field toughness during a 13-year NFL career, was shot and killed in Nashville, police said yesterday.

McNair, 36, and a woman were found dead in a condominium complex, a Nashville police spokesman told reporters gathered near the property. Investigators had not yet drawn any conclusions about the circumstances of the shooting, said Don Aaron, the spokesman.

Police identified the female victim as Sahel Kazemi, 20. Authorities said she had one gunshot wound to the head, that McNair was shot several times, and that a pistol was discovered near Kazemi's body. Autopsies are scheduled for today."

[quiggle]

how do fans and young children look up to someone who can't even stay loyal to his wife and family and then leaves them pick up the pieces?

[Chevy Man 22]

how do fans and young children look up to someone who can't even stay loyal to his wife and family and then leaves them pick up the pieces?

We don't know the circumstances perhaps he and his wife were seperated and waiting for a divorce to be finalized. As I mentioned before for him to be gone such a long period of time without contact it had to be something of the norm that didn't really alarm his wife enough to call the cops.

It's looking more and more like the homicide / suicide situation with the police stating they aren't actively looking for a suspect and the gun being found next to the young lady. They say the gun wasn't apparent at first so maybe after she shot herself she landed on top of it somehow and it wasn't discovered until they moved her body. But if he was cheating you can't rule out the fact that she wasn't also and jealous boyfriend showed up and capped both of them. People have suggested well maybe he went to break up with her because of the DUI thing but seriously who goes to break up with someone at 2 am ? I just don't think it's a easy of a story as all that there is background info that's gonna come out on this yet.

[Stillers]

Sad to hear. I was never a big fan of his, but there is no denying that he was tough @ss football player. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

[bearoh]

His figs are suddenly flooded on Ebay. :confused::confused:

[ToightLikeATiger]

This is a lesson for all athletes to learn...stay away from crack *****s.

[trucrew]

His figs are suddenly flooded on Ebay. :confused::confused:

Really not a fan of people trying to cash in on someone's death :(

[quiggle]

is there a chance the autopsy photos will leak to the public?

[d-line]

...I hope not.

[Tanner2126]

is there a chance the autopsy photos will leak to the public?

thats pretty sick man.

[quiggle]

yeah but probably more than a good majority of us would pounce for a view if they became available.

[Sumner]

Man,what a crazy year

[Point65]

I was at the ballgame last night, and between innngs they flashed this for most of the screen (Former NFL QB Steve McNair found dead in Nasheville with multiple gunshot wounds to the body and head. Serena Williams beats Venus Williams at Wimbledon). I usually don't look at the screen, but I did at the time and thought, "Oh, man. What a shock." My wife saw my stunned look, turned to read it and said, "They shouldn't have put that up there so prominently. Especially with all these families here."

And you know? She's right. They should've lead with the Williams sisters, some scores, and if they chose not to omit the McNair story they could've just put it one line at the bottom, like "Former NFL QB found dead." The rest of us who would want to know would've found out later. That way parents of potential McNair fans wouldn't have to deal with what's transpired and explaining it to their 11-year olds.

Anyway, I liked Steve McNair's play on the field.

[CJF28]

McNair's wife Mechelle said she had not heard from her husband in a couple of days. She was at the couple's home Saturday on Bear Road in Green Hills.

Police spokesman Don Aaron ruled out the possibility of a murder-suicide, and no note was found. He also said that the time of the deaths is uncertain and that they may not have occurred Saturday.

so, they ruled out murder-suicide, but the prior news release above said they werent looking for suspects?

what? they think McNair just fell on the gun repeatedly?

I always wondered why they were called roofies. Cause you're more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call em groundies.

NICE

He was quoting "The Hangover"

yes, sir

Ah, haven't seen it.

best $13 Ive spent on a movie in awhile

[Kleptos18]

We don't know the circumstances perhaps he and his wife were seperated and waiting for a divorce to be finalized. As I mentioned before for him to be gone such a long period of time without contact it had to be something of the norm that didn't really alarm his wife enough to call the cops.

It's looking more and more like the homicide / suicide situation with the police stating they aren't actively looking for a suspect and the gun being found next to the young lady. They say the gun wasn't apparent at first so maybe after she shot herself she landed on top of it somehow and it wasn't discovered until they moved her body. But if he was cheating you can't rule out the fact that she wasn't also and jealous boyfriend showed up and capped both of them. People have suggested well maybe he went to break up with her because of the DUI thing but seriously who goes to break up with someone at 2 am ? I just don't think it's a easy of a story as all that there is background info that's gonna come out on this yet.

2am doesn't matter if his wife gave him an ultimatum. I know she says she hasn't talked to him in days, she may be tryin to cover to keep his legacy clean.

[EDBSIP]

RIP :(

[LakersTitansKobe8]

damn...terrible news..my favorite Titans besides Eddie George...R.I.P. Air McNair

[AdrianMonk]

In a nutshell,Mcnair cheating on wife with 20 yr old,goes to end it for whatever reason,she kills him,then herself,case closed. R.I.P.

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Still can't believe this.

Too crazy.

RIP

[iggypimpin]

RIP

[Sinden]

Is it really that crazy in today's world? This isn't anything we haven't seen before. Its just that McNair was mostley liked by everyone.

Also its not a big deal he didn't talk to his wife for 2 days....my common law gf went to Calgary for 5 days last week, we exchanged text messages twice. Not all couples need to know what the other is doing 24/7. Maybe his wife trusted him enough not to stay in constant contact, seeing as he did have condos in other cities and he was always on the road as well. And well the money he brought in.


Eitherway, it sucks that this ended in the way it did.

[jawstoyz]

I think she knew he was with other woman and looked the other way because of the money...happens all the time, now she doesn't want to admit that she knew because the story would go from a sad one ( pro football player dies) too stupid wife story, she would let him cheat all the time because she likes money....

RIP McNair

[zurita54]

I always wondered why they were called roofies. Cause you're more likely to end up on the floor than the roof. They should call em groundies.

someone watched the hangover.

[Ronzie]

[QUOTE=AdrianMonk;10019117]In a nutshell,Mcnair cheating on wife with 20 yr old,goes to end it for whatever reason,she kills him,then herself,case closed. QUOTE]

Another loser football player bites it. By a gun no less. Hardly shocking.
Hope he didn't have kids.

[AdrianMonk]

I think he had 2 kids.

[plum29]

In a nutshell,Mcnair cheating on wife with 20 yr old,goes to end it for whatever reason,she kills him,then herself,case closed. R.I.P.

you reap what you sow.

instead of being with his wife and 4 kids, he chose to be with this girlfriend and look how he ended up.

if only he was as faithful off the field as he was on the field.

[Ronzie]

I think he had 2 kids.

Horrible.

[caesar2002]

Not one mention of the Title of this thread!?? Very witty!!

RIP Mcnair, but again, he got himself into this mess...she got him out of it.

The wife now can say WHATEVER she wants...and we will have to believe it. Whatever though, it's really none of our business to overanalyze his lifestyle. Just remember him as a good QB!!!

[SDhalcon]

Not one mention of the Title of this thread!?? Very witty!!

You need to go back and read the whole thread again then ;) There have been many.

[madden821]

you reap what you sow.

instead of being with his wife and 4 kids, he chose to be with this girlfriend and look how he ended up.


So an affair = death? That seems a bit extreem. He did get himself into this mess but to say that he got what he deserved is not right either.

[alphawhite]

Has anyone confirmed an affair? ESPN reported that McNair's house has been on the market for awhile and people are wondering if they were separated and he was free to date whomever:confused:

[Chevy Man 22]

Actually McNair had 4 children

[Chevy Man 22]

Has anyone confirmed an affair? ESPN reported that McNair's house has been on the market for awhile and people are wondering if they were separated and he was free to date whomever:confused:

That's pretty much the way it's looking with the Wife not being concerned enough about him to report him missing after a couple of days of not hearing from him before they found him and he was out clubbing the night before the incident.

[plum29]

So an affair = death? That seems a bit extreem. He did get himself into this mess but to say that he got what he deserved is not right either.

i didn't say he got what he deserved, only that you reap what you sow.

you mess with the bull, you're gonna get the horns.

you mess with fire you're gonna get burned.

he was commiting an affair on his married wife with 4 kids and look what happened.

he was killed in sin. :(

[Chevy Man 22]

what consitutes an affair though is it sleeping with another person or just going out with another person ?

There is no evidence to suggest they were having a sexual relationship at this point only that they were known to be going out together in the last month or so to different clubs and what not. They say she was just a lowly waitress so maybe the Escalade was a gift from McNair to a good friend with no strings attached.

Could be with all the attention she thought there was more to the relationship than there was and when McNair tried to tell her there wasn't bam she snapped and went into one of those " If I can't have you nobody will " psycho rages.

[APM]

The guy was a great player. Been reading he did lots of great stuff off the field as well.
But, lets not find ways to make him what he is not. He was married. Had 2 kids with his wife and 2 kids with someone else. He was sleeping with the girl that killed him. And was still married.
The fact his wife did not talk to him for a few days only tells me she knew what he was doing on the side but could not or did not want to do anything about it. And it was not the first time he had done this.
"Nashville courts had no record of a McNair divorce case" from yahoo.com

[APM]

what consitutes an affair though is it sleeping with another person or just going out with another person ?

There is no evidence to suggest they were having a sexual relationship at this point only that they were known to be going out together in the last month or so to different clubs and what not. They say she was just a lowly waitress so maybe the Escalade was a gift from McNair to a good friend with no strings attached.

Could be with all the attention she thought there was more to the relationship than there was and when McNair tried to tell her there wasn't bam she snapped and went into one of those " If I can't have you nobody will " psycho rages.

Come on Chevy Man you dont even believe what you posted do you?
He had 2 kids that were not from his wife. He was at her condo late at night. His wife had not heard from him in days.
Who will buy a car like that for a "friend" with no strings attached.
These guys sleep with women on their first date let alone knowing her for months. And he was not getting any?
I find it all hard to believe.

[HenRoc]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_04_full.jpg

[HenRoc]

Pics of the 2 on Vacation a few months ago

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/stadium.weblogsinc.com/tmz/images/2009/07/0705_steve_mcnair_wm_03_full.jpg

[HenRoc]

A relative of Sahel Kazemi’s says Nashville police told him she recently purchased a gun.

[Chevy Man 22]

Come on Chevy Man you dont even believe what you posted do you?
He had 2 kids that were not from his wife. He was at her condo late at night. His wife had not heard from him in days.
Who will buy a car like that for a "friend" with no strings attached.
These guys sleep with women on their first date let alone knowing her for months. And he was not getting any?
I find it all hard to believe.

I believe in innocent until proven guilty and nobody has presented any evidence that says he was sleeping with this young lady.

Now I'm not stupid... was he probalby hitting it ? Yeah but I can't prove it at this point and niether can anyone else except maybe TMZ who likely had a reporter hiding under the bed. lol

And I tell you who buys someone a car no strings attached people with money to throw around and can afford it which he obviously could. You are telling me if you had the money and one of your friends working a minimum wage job at a restraunt needed a car that you wouldn't help them out ?

[OUsoonersR1]

what consitutes an affair though is it sleeping with another person or just going out with another person ?

There is no evidence to suggest they were having a sexual relationship at this point only that they were known to be going out together in the last month or so to different clubs and what not. They say she was just a lowly waitress so maybe the Escalade was a gift from McNair to a good friend with no strings attached.

Could be with all the attention she thought there was more to the relationship than there was and when McNair tried to tell her there wasn't bam she snapped and went into one of those " If I can't have you nobody will " psycho rages.

Well, I promise you MY wife would call it an affair. :) I'd say either scenario is an affair.

Do you have to be having sex to call it dating?

What exactly is "lowly" waitress?

[Rick in Maryland]

A relative of Sahel Kazemi’s says Nashville police told him she recently purchased a gun.

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

[HenRoc]

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

I am just a messenger :p

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AkezY775Hg5y0dLSg4h4wtwdsLYF?slug=ap-mcnairkilled&prov=ap&type=lgns

[OUsoonersR1]

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

What's the drinking age in TN?

[BigFred]

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

I thought it varied by state? Those kids in Columbine had an 18 y/o buy their guns.

[OUsoonersR1]

hmmmm nobody knows the whole story....and its not right to speculate and accuse....but from the sounds of things at moment....it seems like somebody wasn't happy with either the affair going on or the affair that may have been coming to an end...............his wife may not have been in the area, but that doesn't mean she couldn't be the one behind the plot..................interesting............

Nothing wrong with speculating. That's how you put together a case. :)

[HenRoc]

What's the drinking age in TN?

21, :D

[Chevy Man 22]

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

Leagally yes from the back of a car or a dark alley No. lol

[OUsoonersR1]

21, :D

Hmm, how's it work when you get a DUI and you're not of legal age to drink?

[OUsoonersR1]

How did she do that? She was only 20 years old and to purchase a handgun, you have to be 21.

What are the odds that she bought it with McNair's money?

[madden821]

Leagally yes from the back of a car or a dark alley No. lol

Exaclly, you can get a gun at any age.

[HenRoc]

Hmm, how's it work when you get a DUI and you're not of legal age to drink?

Unlawful consumption was probaly dropped in favor of the DUI.

[Rick in Maryland]

I thought it varied by state? Those kids in Columbine had an 18 y/o buy their guns.
No, it's federal.

[Rick in Maryland]

DUI doesn't just mean alcohol. In fact, she told the arresting officer that she wasn't drinking, that she was high.

[Chevy Man 22]

Why would the police tell this guy vital info pertaining to the case and not the media ?

Also the last sentence pretty much wraps up what happened....... She thought he was leaving his wife he obviously wasn't or changed his mind and she went psycho. Case Closed !!


NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP)—A relative of the woman found shot to death with Steve McNair(notes) says Nashville police told him she recently purchased a gun.

Farzin Abdi is Sahel Kazemi’s nephew, but the two were raised together like brother and sister. Abdi says he does not believe Kazemi would have killed the former Tennessee Titans quarterback and herself.

The two were found dead on Saturday in a condominium owned by McNair.

Abdi says police told him they are almost sure the 20-year-old Kazemi was the shooter, but he says she had no motive.

Nashville police didn’t immediately have a reaction to Abdi’s comments.

Abdi says Kazemi believed McNair was divorcing his wife and she was preparing to sell her furniture to move in with him.

[Chevy Man 22]

Hey I was just thinking maybe they will use this case on a episode of " The First 48 " :D


I love that show especially my boy Lundy from the Memphis Homicide that boy cracks me up.

[OUsoonersR1]

yeah and maybe it was a gift from him like the Escalade.....you know friends do buy friends guns.............:D

I need to upgrade my friends list. I wouldn't mind an Escalade ... and a gas allowance. :D

[Chevy Man 22]

They just announced this morning on CNN that police are saying 3 of the 4 gunshots that McNair received were from a minimum of 3 ft away. Now I can see this girl hitting him once from that distance but 3 times then walk up to him afterwards and put one in his head ?

Also apparently they are looking closely at her ex-boyfriend who in interviews has made it a point to say he hated McNair for taking his woman.

I wouldn't be so quick to say this was a Murder / Suicide just yet. What if she bought the gun for protection from the boyfriend. Boyfriend shows up after finding out she was moving out and in with McNair and she frantically calls McNair he rushes over from the club he was at when he gets there she's already dead and BF caps him as he comes in the door bam bam bam then walks over puts one in his head to finish him off and locks the door on his way out. You can explain the gun found under her as she pulled it but was to afraid to fire it and just happens to land on top of it as she falls.

Seems like if she put the shot in the side of her head in a suicide attempt the gun is gonna fall to the side of her not under her.

[OUsoonersR1]

They just announced this morning on CNN that police are saying 3 of the 4 gunshots that McNair received were from a minimum of 3 ft away. Now I can see this girl hitting him once from that distance but 3 times then walk up to him afterwards and put one in his head ?

Also apparently they are looking closely at her ex-boyfriend who in interviews has made it a point to say he hated McNair for taking his woman.

I wouldn't be so quick to say this was a Murder / Suicide just yet. What if she bought the gun for protection from the boyfriend. Boyfriend shows up after finding out she was moving out and in with McNair and she frantically calls McNair he rushes over from the club he was at when he gets there she's already dead and BF caps him as he comes in the door bam bam bam then walks over puts one in his head to finish him off and locks the door on his way out. You can explain the gun found under her as she pulled it but was to afraid to fire it and just happens to land on top of it as she falls.

Seems like if she put the shot in the side of her head in a suicide attempt the gun is gonna fall to the side of her not under her.

But hasn't it already been confirmed that it was her gun that killed McNair?

[DEN7ER]

she did it...

[Chevy Man 22]

But hasn't it already been confirmed that it was her gun that killed McNair?

Nope not unless Ballistic reports have been released since this morning. Only that the gun found in the apartment was hers.

[jrp4182]

Wasn't McNair seated when he was shot? And the guy that found the bodies would have noticed the blood when he walked in the door if McNair was shot as he was entering.

[rafprop]

They just announced this morning on CNN that police are saying 3 of the 4 gunshots that McNair received were from a minimum of 3 ft away. Now I can see this girl hitting him once from that distance but 3 times then walk up to him afterwards and put one in his head ?

Also apparently they are looking closely at her ex-boyfriend who in interviews has made it a point to say he hated McNair for taking his woman.

I wouldn't be so quick to say this was a Murder / Suicide just yet. What if she bought the gun for protection from the boyfriend. Boyfriend shows up after finding out she was moving out and in with McNair and she frantically calls McNair he rushes over from the club he was at when he gets there she's already dead and BF caps him as he comes in the door bam bam bam then walks over puts one in his head to finish him off and locks the door on his way out. You can explain the gun found under her as she pulled it but was to afraid to fire it and just happens to land on top of it as she falls.

Seems like if she put the shot in the side of her head in a suicide attempt the gun is gonna fall to the side of her not under her.

They obviously have to do more investigating before they close this case. But, it should be pretty easy to determine whether her gun had been fired and whether it was her gun that killed McNair.

[plum29]

they shot him 4 times, that seems like a crime of passion/hate more than anything.

either the girl did it because he was breaking it off, or her ex-boyfriend did it. maybe the wife hired someone?

where is Richard Belzer when you need him? or T?

[Chevy Man 22]

I don't know just seems to me that in a case of this importance the Ballistic testing would've been rushed and released by now. If this girl shot that gun 5 times there should be enough powder residue to cover her whole body shouldn't really be that hard to figure out unless it was inconclusive.

[plum29]

something i don't get....he was shot 4 times. 2 in each side of the temple and 2 times in the chest.

was she that calm and cool with the gun to fire 2 shots (one to each temple and 2 to the chest) rather than go crazy and unload the whole clip?

[UFCFan]

If she pulled the trigger, there will be gunshot residue on her hand(s) and likely her body too. It's that simple.

[Chevy Man 22]

Also the whole 3 of them being from at least 3 ft. away doesn't say to me McNair was calmly sitting on the couch as a perfectly still target. You see someone pulling a gun on you from that far away you gonna duck and run for cover at least after the first shot and to hit him 3 more times while he's moving is pretty damn good aim for someone who just bought a gun 2 days before hand and probably had never shot a gun in her life.

Not saying she didn't do it but there are still a lot of things that just don't make sense.

[BurningSoul]

I don't know just seems to me that in a case of this importance the Ballistic testing would've been rushed and released by now. If this girl shot that gun 5 times there should be enough powder residue to cover her whole body shouldn't really be that hard to figure out unless it was inconclusive.

Ballistics tests don't take long. Hell, ballistics tests were released a couple hours after the SC serial killer was killed yesterday. Didn't take long to tie his gun to the 5 killings at all.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Sounds like whoever shot McNair got tired of him not dying from the shots to the chest and put 1 in his head to finish him for good. McNair was tough right up to his last breathe.

[plum29]

McNair was a heck of a football player, and community contributer, but he should have been a heck of a father instead.

it's sad, but it's true.

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast."-Ephesians 2:8-9

[OUsoonersR1]

something i don't get....he was shot 4 times. 2 in each side of the temple and 2 times in the chest.

was she that calm and cool with the gun to fire 2 shots (one to each temple and 2 to the chest) rather than go crazy and unload the whole clip?

Who know what's going through somebody's mind when they're killing somebody?

Hell, the fact that somebody could pump bullets into another person in many killings is something I don't get, like the kid who shot the coach in Iowa. Why?

[ricksfire]

Also the whole 3 of them being from at least 3 ft. away doesn't say to me McNair was calmly sitting on the couch as a perfectly still target. You see someone pulling a gun on you from that far away you gonna duck and run for cover at least after the first shot and to hit him 3 more times while he's moving is pretty damn good aim for someone who just bought a gun 2 days before hand and probably had never shot a gun in her life.

Not saying she didn't do it but there are still a lot of things that just don't make sense.

My guess is that he was sitting on the couch while she went into the kitchen, came back with the gun, put it against his head and pulled the trigger. Then she went to the front of the couch and shot him three more times. I base this on his friend stating that he first saw McNair sitting on the couch and the girlfriend on the floor while he went into the kitchen, and when he came back that's when he saw the blood. So I'm figuring if you're sitting in the couch, your back is to the kitchen.

[PhillyWing19]

Looks like more results are in -- things are pointing to it being a murder/suicide after all . Brutal, the authorities think she killed him while he was asleep!

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/07/08/mcnair.shooting/index.html

Tragic, very tragic.

[PhillyWing19]

Police: McNair killing probably a murder-suicide

* NEW: Police classify McNair case as murder-suicide
* NEW: "The totality of the evidence clearly points to a murder-suicide," chief says
* Coroner: "It's almost an assured thing. We have to be convinced otherwise"
* McNair and his girlfriend, Sahel Kazemi, were found shot to death Saturday

(CNN) -- The killing of former NFL quarterback Steve McNair has been classified as a murder-suicide carried out by his girlfriend, Nashville police Chief Ronal Serpas said Wednesday.

"The totality of the evidence clearly points to a murder-suicide," Serpas told reporters at an afternoon news conference in Nashville, Tennessee.

McNair, 36, and Sahel Kazemi, 20, were found fatally shot in a condominium in downtown Nashville on Saturday afternoon. McNair was shot twice in the head and twice in the chest; Kazemi was shot once in her right temple, authorities said.

The police chief said McNair was probably asleep when he was first shot through his temple, then Kazemi shot him three more times. He said it is believed that Kazemi got next to McNair on the couch, then shot herself.

He said Kazemi had told at least one colleague that she planned "to end it all" and that her life was spiraling out of control. Serpas said Kazemi believed McNair was also involved with another woman. He said she was concerned "whether or not her relationship was unraveling with Mr. McNair."

"There was evidence that she was spinning out of control," Serpas said.

He added that there was no evidence found at the condo indicating anyone else was there at the time of the deaths. Serpas said he had spoken with McNair's wife Wednesday to update her on the investigation.

Dr. Feng Li, the assistant medical examiner who has been handling the case, told CNN earlier Wednesday that all evidence was "indicating that she killed Mr. McNair and killed herself."

"It's almost an assured thing. We have to be convinced otherwise," Li said.

The coroner said he will not finalize the "manner of death" on Kazemi's death certificate until he has final lab test results, which are a few days away.

"I have to have everything together, and then I make the opinion," he said. "We want to be as thorough and as detailed as possible."

Li said Kazemi was found face-down in the condo with the gun underneath her. The autopsy indicates she shot herself once through her right temple. "She was found on the feet of Mr. McNair, who sat on the sofa," he said. A medium-caliber semiautomatic handgun was used.

"It's very hard for everybody involved," Li said. "Our thoughts and prayers go to the families."

Earlier in the week, police said that on Thursday evening, Kazemi purchased the pistol found at the scene. Hours before the purchase, Kazemi was pulled over in a traffic stop and charged with driving under the influence. She was accompanied by McNair in a Cadillac Escalade he had purchased for her.

McNair was allowed to leave the scene in a taxi after Kazemi was given a field sobriety test.

McNair, a married father of four, and Kazemi were dating, police said. Police found their bodies in the condo -- leased to McNair and his friend Wayne Neeley -- about 1:30 p.m. Saturday.

The two had been dead for hours before Neeley, who had to use a key to enter the building, discovered the clothed bodies Saturday afternoon, according to police. Neeley then called his friend Robert Gaddy, who arrived at the condo and called police.

[plum29]

McNair, a married father of four, and Kazemi were dating

this right here says it all, everything you need to know about the case. :(

[ToightLikeATiger]

this right here says it all, everything you need to know about the case. :(

Not really....what we have to know about the case is this Kazemi lady was a nut job and killed Steve McNair and then herself. She was a murderer.

So what if the 2 were dating? So what McNair was married?

[Chevy Man 22]

Well glad to finally have some kind of final report I still don't 100% believe that it went down like they say but I guess that the skeptical part of me.

[plum29]

Not really....what we have to know about the case is this Kazemi lady was a nut job and killed Steve McNair and then herself. She was a murderer.

So what if the 2 were dating? So what McNair was married?


so what if McNair was still faithful with his wife? so what if McNair didn't cheat on his wife? so what?

i think he'd still be around instead of being murdered by his mistress.

[ToightLikeATiger]

so what if McNair was still faithful with his wife? so what if McNair didn't cheat on his wife? so what?

i think he'd still be around instead of being murdered by his mistress.

Doesnt matter still more to the case then what you said there was with the little quote you posted. Him being married and having kids has very little to do with the fact he was murdered other then those peopel are now without him. Once again you cant expect someone like this nutjob he was with to flip out and murder him. Its not something that occurs very often.

[plum29]

Once again you cant expect someone like this nutjob he was with to flip out and murder him. Its not something that occurs very often.

once again, if he had been with this kids and wife, NONE of this would have happened.

you're justifying that it was okay and it wasn't his fault, it the girls fault.

but remember, it takes 2 to tango. it's just as much his fault as it is hers, and really, it's more his fault since he was married and had 4 kids.

[ToightLikeATiger]

once again, if he had been with this kids and wife, NONE of this would have happened.

you're justifying that it was okay and it wasn't his fault, it the girls fault.

but remember, it takes 2 to tango. it's just as much his fault as it is hers, and really, it's more his fault since he was married and had 4 kids.

Once again he is not obligated to be with his wife and kids 24/7. If he was at work and was murdered there would you blame him for being at work and away from his kids? Who cares what he does during his free time? No matter what he was doing hi being murdered has nothing to do with his kids.

No it is not McNair's fault at all this nutjob pulled out a gun and shot him. It doesnt take 2 to tango when it comes to murder. Im pretty sure most people dont want to be murdered and if given the option to "tango" with that they would pass.

Him being married and having kids also doesnt make him being murdered his fault. Let alone being more his fault.

[plum29]

Once again he is not obligated to be with his wife and kids 24/7. If he was at work and was murdered there would you blame him for being at work and away from his kids?

but he wasn't at work, he was with his GF.

No it is not McNair's fault at all this nutjob pulled out a gun and shot him. It doesnt take 2 to tango when it comes to murder.

he was cheating on his wife and he was staying at the apartment with his GF even though he was married. how is it not partly his fault? he wasn't forced there was he?

Him being married and having kids also doesnt make him being murdered his fault. Let alone being more his fault.

he was murderd by his GF and now his kids have to grow up the rest of their lives without their dad. and their grandchildren....same thing.

[Chevy Man 22]

.....


NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Former NFL star Steve McNair was shot dead in his sleep last week by a 20-year-old girlfriend distraught about mounting financial problems and her belief that he was seeing someone else, police said Wednesday.

Serpas said detectives learned that Kazemi recently found out about another young woman she thought McNair was romantically involved with and had even followed that woman home, though she did not confront her.

Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep when he was killed because there were no defensive wounds. After shooting McNair in the head, Kazemi apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head and then shooting herself. The gun was found underneath her.

She sat next to his body and tried to position herself to fall into his lap when she died. She did, but her body slid to the floor and ended up at McNair's feet, Serpas said. The gun was found underneath her.

[ToightLikeATiger]

He had every right to be with his GF. Men can have GF's. It happens a lot in this world. Doesnt mean he is at fault for being murdered

He wasnt at his GF apartment to be murdered. He had no way of knowing she was going to kill him. If he knew I would seriously doubt he would go there. Being in a certain place doesnt make you at fault for being murdered.

Anyone that is murdered has family left behind that has to deal with the sorrow. Him being murdered by his GF doesnt make that any more painful or any more his fault.

Lets use percentages to break up the blame.

Nutjob GF's fault- 100%
Steve McNair's fault- 0%
Families fault- 0%

Im sure McNair's wife being bad in bed probably has some percentage of the blame but we have no clue what percentage that is so we'll leave it off the list.

[APM]

plum29 I dont even know why you try bro?
ToightLikeATiger if you have any clue on what you are talking about I will cut off my **** right now.
A married man had every right to be with his GF. LMAO.
And you are sure McNair's wife being bad in bed probably had some percentage of the blame. LMAO.
I love the second one better but the first one is just as good.

[Joe F.]

I don't like the fact that there seems to be a tone that the GF isn't to blame 100%.

There is no reason, from what I can tell, that gave her the right to take the mans life, nothing.

Everything else is moot.

[ToightLikeATiger]

plum29 I dont even know why you try bro?
ToightLikeATiger if you have any clue on what you are talking about I will cut off my **** right now.
A married man had every right to be with his GF. LMAO.
And you are sure McNair's wife being bad in bed probably had some percentage of the blame. LMAO.
I love the second one better but the first one is just as good.

Yeah why cant McNair be with his GF when he and his wife are seperated? He has no reason not to be. Even if he was cheating on his wife (say they werent seperated) if he wants to be there its his choice. Being murdered wasnt a choice given to him.

As for the being bad in bed thing its a joke. Although not being in bed enough for activities is a reason a lot of men cheat.

[UFCFan]

I'm going to have to agree with Toight here, as much as it pains me to say it. Yes, McNair would be alive today if he hadn't ever started up with this broad. However, he did, and he did not in any way deserve to die for it. Some of you (plum29 and others) are looking at it entirely the wrong way. McNair was human just like anyone else. You may judge him for having a girlfriend while he was married, but so what? It happens. This is the real world, not Candyland. No one but he and his wife knew what all the circumstances were that led him to be with this other girl. Even so, yes, as a married man, he had a right to have a girlfriend on the side if that is what he wanted to do. Sure, it is wrong in a marriage and in the eyes of a lot of people, but it doesn't make it illegal or anything. Some of you really need to come down off of your high horses.

Besides, weren't he and his wife separated at one point? Why shouldn't he have been able to date someone else? It's human nature, people. People in relationships and/or marriages cheat every day-and none of you even know for sure if this was technically even "cheating." Is it right? Not necessarily, but it is life.

[CowboysFanSince82]

He had every right to be with his GF. Men can have GF's. It happens a lot in this world. Doesnt mean he is at fault for being murdered

He wasnt at his GF apartment to be murdered. He had no way of knowing she was going to kill him. If he knew I would seriously doubt he would go there. Being in a certain place doesnt make you at fault for being murdered.

Anyone that is murdered has family left behind that has to deal with the sorrow. Him being murdered by his GF doesnt make that any more painful or any more his fault.

Lets use percentages to break up the blame.

Nutjob GF's fault- 100%
Steve McNair's fault- 0%
Families fault- 0%

Im sure McNair's wife being bad in bed probably has some percentage of the blame but we have no clue what percentage that is so we'll leave it off the list.
Obviously you do not feel that marriage is sacred?
To make a comment about his wife being bad in bed is just pathetic.:rolleyes:
McNair did not deserve to die but if he was faithful to his wife he would still be alive today.McNair found a 20 year old tramp to throw his life away.

[OUsoonersR1]

And we find out McNair had ANOTHER girlfriend -- at least one -- on the side.

Playing with a 20 year old female's emotions is not a good thing, and I believe she was 19 when they started dating.

He didn't deserve to die, but sounds like McNair was playing with fire and got burned.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Obviously you do not feel that marriage is sacred?
To make a comment about his wife being bad in bed is just pathetic.:rolleyes:
McNair did not deserve to die but if he was faithful to his wife he would still be alive today.McNair found a 20 year old tramp to throw his life away.

I think marriage is a joke and would never do it. But each individual who gets married can do whatever they decide to do. There is nothing sacred in this world. Marriage is just a leap of faith hoping 2 people can stand each other long enough to die. Like I said 45% or so of marriages dont last.

Once again him cheating on his wife doesnt make him at fault for being murdered. Also why is it so hard to understand that we dont know if he were cheating or not? From the sounds of everything the 2 were seperated. He had every right to find someone knew if they werent together.

[OUsoonersR1]

I think marriage is a joke and would never do it. But each individual who gets married can do whatever they decide to do. There is nothing sacred in this world. Marriage is just a leap of faith hoping 2 people can stand each other long enough to die. Like I said 45% or so of marriages dont last.

Once again him cheating on his wife doesnt make him at fault for being murdered. Also why is it so hard to understand that we dont know if he were cheating or not? From the sounds of everything the 2 were seperated. He had every right to find someone knew if they werent together.

Marriage is a joke and you hate kids.

What's your take on puppies?:p

[ToightLikeATiger]

Marriage is a joke and you hate kids.

What's your take on puppies?:p

Puppies are fine but I dont like dogs. Cats are great though....they are more independent.

I dont like having to take of anyone else other then myself. Its hard enough to do that lol.

I just never got the point of marriage. You can do all the same things as a couple without making it official. The second you make it official there is that 45% chance you are 50% poorer. I dont like those odds and I like 100% of my assets :)

[donbeebe]

I just gotta say that I laugh my ass off every time I read the title of this thread!:D

[OUsoonersR1]

Puppies are fine but I dont like dogs. Cats are great though....they are more independent.

I dont like having to take of anyone else other then myself. Its hard enough to do that lol.

I just never got the point of marriage. You can do all the same things as a couple without making it official. The second you make it official there is that 45% chance you are 50% poorer. I dont like those odds and I like 100% of my assets :)

As long as you're not making babies out of wedlock -- Baby Daddies (?)

[ToightLikeATiger]

As long as you're not making babies out of wedlock -- Baby Daddies (?)

I could care less if people are together and have kids out of wedlock personally. As long as they take care of the kids and Im not doing it with taxes I pay.

[madden821]

Once again him cheating on his wife doesnt make him at fault for being murdered. Also why is it so hard to understand that we dont know if he were cheating or not? From the sounds of everything the 2 were seperated. He had every right to find someone knew if they werent together.

It certainly wasn't bad enough for him to be killed thats for sure but he did have some roll in this. He had the option to not go out with a 20 year old while he was still married. Even if they were separated he still should have waited until it was a full divorce.

[UFCFan]

It certainly wasn't bad enough for him to be killed thats for sure but he did have some roll in this. He had the option to not go out with a 20 year old while he was still married. Even if they were separated he still should have waited until it was a full divorce.

Hogwash. How many people in the real world who are in a separation actually wait until either a divorce or reconciliation to date anyone else? It's only an issue because he died. People love to play the "what if" game when something like this happens, but if there hadn't been a death or shooting, no one would have batted an eyelash over McNair dating another girl. Instead of trying to microanalyze the incident, just take it for what it really is: a sad and tragic occurrence. It happens every day in the world, yet it isn't big news because it doesn't usually involve someone famous. Basically, it is what it is. Him banging a 20 year old girl while separated from his wife didn't take away from the kind of person he was. It's easy to sit at a keyboard and pass judgment, but Jesus Christ.

[madden821]

To be honest I don't care either way about him. I didn't really care about him as a player and I didn't know him so really I don't miss him now... but to say he had NO part in this probably isn't correct. We don't know what was going on with his wife or the other girl and we never will. It is a very tragic thing but its possible it could have been avoided.

[UFCFan]

To be honest I don't care either way about him. I didn't really care about him as a player and I didn't know him so really I don't miss him now... but to say he had NO part in this probably isn't correct. We don't know what was going on with his wife or the other girl and we never will. It is a tragic thing but its possible it could have been avoided.

Pray tell- other than physically being there in the wrong place at the wrong time, how did he really play a role in it? Just because the person who pulled the trigger was someone he knew and had a relationship with instead of some random stranger doesn't make him any more culpable. What do you think he could have done to deserve getting 4 caps popped in him?

[madden821]

I didn't say he deserved to get shot. Who the hell would think that. I just feel that sometimes when you put yourself in bad situations bad things can happen. I am sure this wasn't the ONLY time she acted out so did he just overlook it the other times because she was hot? She was a 100% pyscho and it sucks that this whole thing happened but I think he does have to take some resposibility for putting himself in that situation in the first place.. even if its only a little part.

[Kramer26]

Titans to open stadium to McNair fans

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — Steve McNair fans wanting to pay their respects to the former NFL quarterback will be able to at the stadium where he created so many memories.

The Tennessee Titans are opening LP Field Wednesday and Thursday from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m. Fans can leave personal messages in a book that will be given to the McNair family. Video boards will show McNair highlights and a photo mural of his career with the Titans will be on display.

The ticket office also will be accepting donations to the Steve McNair Foundation.

McNair was found shot to death Saturday. A memorial service is being held Thursday night in Nashville. There will be a funeral service Saturday at the University of Southern Mississippi in Hattiesburg with a private burial in his hometown of Mt. Olive.

[OUsoonersR1]

I could care less if people are together and have kids out of wedlock personally. As long as they take care of the kids and Im not doing it with taxes I pay.

Well, that probably makes it awkward for the kid growing up as I would guess the percentage of those people staying together unwed in a family atmosphere is very small. And I'd guess the percentage of both parents chipping in equally is very small too.

I think kids are better off with families and some type of structure.

And the phrase is "could not care less.":)

[CowboysFanSince82]

I didn't say he deserved to get shot. Who the hell would think that. I just feel that sometimes when you put yourself in bad situations bad things can happen. I am sure this wasn't the ONLY time she acted out so did he just overlook it the other times because she was hot? She was a 100% pyscho and it sucks that this whole thing happened but I think he does have to take some resposibility for putting himself in that situation in the first place.. even if its only a little part. I agree 100% with you.He put himself in a bad situation but like i stated earlier he did not deserve to get killed.They say nothing good happens at 3 in the morning and nothing good usually comes out when a 36yr old man is dating a 20 yr old while his wife of 13 yrs is taking care of there 4 kids at home.
According to the wife they were not seperated and had no divorce proceedings in the works.

[APM]

I agree 100% with you.He put himself in a bad situation but like i stated earlier he did not deserve to get killed.They say nothing good happens at 3 in the morning and nothing good usually comes out when a 36yr old man is dating a 20 yr old while his wife of 13 yrs is taking care of there 4 kids at home.
According to the wife they were not seperated and had no divorce proceeding in the works.

Some people on here think its fine to be out with your g/f at 2:00 am while your wife and kids are at home.
And I m a big fan of they MIGHT have been seperated. Cause they MIGHT have been its fine to go out and have a g/f. And as we now hear he MIGHT have had another girl on the side.
No one thinks he should have died for what he was doing, but like guys on here have said, if you put yourself in a situation like that there is a better chance of something happening to you then if you were at home with your wife and kids.

[plum29]

I'm going to have to agree with Toight here, as much as it pains me to say it. Yes, McNair would be alive today if he hadn't ever started up with this broad. However, he did, and he did not in any way deserve to die for it. Some of you (plum29 and others) are looking at it entirely the wrong way. McNair was human just like anyone else. You may judge him for having a girlfriend while he was married, but so what? It happens. This is the real world, not Candyland. No one but he and his wife knew what all the circumstances were that led him to be with this other girl. Even so, yes, as a married man, he had a right to have a girlfriend on the side if that is what he wanted to do. Sure, it is wrong in a marriage and in the eyes of a lot of people, but it doesn't make it illegal or anything. Some of you really need to come down off of your high horses.

Besides, weren't he and his wife separated at one point? Why shouldn't he have been able to date someone else? It's human nature, people. People in relationships and/or marriages cheat every day-and none of you even know for sure if this was technically even "cheating." Is it right? Not necessarily, but it is life.

i never said he deserves to die, nobody does. it's not for us to decide.

but what i did say earlier is that he was partly to blame if not more.

he was married and had 4 kids.

[plum29]

I just never got the point of marriage. You can do all the same things as a couple without making it official. The second you make it official there is that 45% chance you are 50% poorer. I dont like those odds and I like 100% of my assets :)

it's called a PRE-NUP. :p

[Rick in Maryland]

And let the record show that contrary to published reports, Steve McNair was no “warrior”. Warriors don’t let their 20-year old Iranian born mistresses put four rounds into them while they are dozing on the sofa.

[ToightLikeATiger]

it's called a PRE-NUP. :p

Its also called more money for lawyers.

[ToightLikeATiger]

i never said he deserves to die, nobody does. it's not for us to decide.

but what i did say earlier is that he was partly to blame if not more.

he was married and had 4 kids.

Him being married and having 4 kids has nothing to do with him getting shot lol. Absolutely 100% nothing to do with it.

[plum29]

Its also called more money for lawyers.

LEGAL-AID

[madden821]

Him being married and having 4 kids has nothing to do with him getting shot lol. Absolutely 100% nothing to do with it.

Your right. Him cheating on that wife and 4 kids with an obviously psycho woman and putting himself in a bad situation where something like this could happen makes him have some blame in this.

[Rick in Maryland]

Him being married and having 4 kids has nothing to do with him getting shot lol. Absolutely 100% nothing to do with it.

Sure it does.

It takes a certain type of woman to start "dating" a man 16 years her senior who she knows is married and has kids because she's waited on them at the restaurant where she works. And I think only two of the kids were with his wife, Mechelle McNair.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Sure it does.

It takes a certain type of woman to start "dating" a man 16 years her senior who she knows is married and has kids because she's waited on them at the restaurant where she works. And I think only two of the kids were with his wife, Mechelle McNair.

We have established the 20yr old women ended up being a nutcase but McNair didnt know that until the end. What does age have to do with anything? Once again absolutely nothing,

McNair still isnt to blame for him being murdered. If he expected it to happen Im sure he would have tried to avoid it. He is Steve McNair and he could go get another GF Im sure.

[ToightLikeATiger]

Your right. Him cheating on that wife and 4 kids with an obviously psycho woman and putting himself in a bad situation where something like this could happen makes him have some blame in this.

Noone knew she was a psycho until the end so you cant blame McNair for chosing her....well the fact she looked like an ugly crack ***** I could blame him for but still to each his own.

He only put himself in the situation to have sex outside his marriage. Not to be murdered. This is not someone that happens all the time this is something that is very rare. So you cant say he put himself in a situation where this could happen so he is to blame. Cheating on your wife isnt a situation that normally ends in murder.

If I walk down the street and get shot am I to blame because I put myself in the situation to walk down the street?

People need to stop trying to make more out of this then it is. Steve McNair was murdered plain and simple. Anything else is irrelevant.

[OUsoonersR1]

It will soon be a Lifetime movie.

[madden821]

Noone knew she was a psycho until the end so you cant blame McNair for chosing her....well the fact she looked like an ugly crack ***** I could blame him for but still to each his own.

He only put himself in the situation to have sex outside his marriage. Not to be murdered. This is not someone that happens all the time this is something that is very rare. So you cant say he put himself in a situation where this could happen so he is to blame. Cheating on your wife isnt a situation that normally ends in murder.

If I walk down the street and get shot am I to blame because I put myself in the situation to walk down the street?

People need to stop trying to make more out of this then it is. Steve McNair was murdered plain and simple. Anything else is irrelevant.

Ok, I'm not going to argue anymore sine we are both set in our opinions and neither of us will change them. Lets just say it was a terrible tragedy that should not have happened and we all hope to heck that the kids are going to be ok after this.

[APM]

Noone knew she was a psycho until the end so you cant blame McNair for chosing her....well the fact she looked like an ugly crack ***** I could blame him for but still to each his own.

He only put himself in the situation to have sex outside his marriage. Not to be murdered. This is not someone that happens all the time this is something that is very rare. So you cant say he put himself in a situation where this could happen so he is to blame. Cheating on your wife isnt a situation that normally ends in murder.

If I walk down the street and get shot am I to blame because I put myself in the situation to walk down the street?

People need to stop trying to make more out of this then it is. Steve McNair was murdered plain and simple. Anything else is irrelevant.

LOL love the last part.
If you were in the MOB and got killed is that the same as walking down the street and getting killed?

[trucrew]

Public Memorial for McNair is today

[OUsoonersR1]

Read where McNair had just done a PSA about suicide prevention.

[Chevy Man 22]

Is it possible that the cop that pulled McNair and Kazemi over caused her to go over the edge ? It was already stated that she was having insecurities about him seeing another woman and the cop telling her that McNair wasn't happy and then seeing him leave in a cab without coming to speak with her may have led her to believe that he was leaving to go see the other woman while she sits in jail. So after she's bailed out she went and bought the gun off the street of course and bam we all know what happened next.

This woman clearly had a " If I can't have you nobody will " mentality but you have to wonder if the cop hadn't of told her McNair didn't want to speak to her because he wasn't happy if she'd have went off the deep end and he might still be alive.



Police say Kazemi shot McNair, 36, four times July 4 while he slept on the couch and then committed suicide because she was distraught over mounting financial problems and believed her married lover was having an affair with yet another woman.

Meanwhile, an officer tells Kazemi that McNair is "not happy" during a DUI stop captured on video two days before the murder-suicide.

Police released video of the DUI stop after they announced Wednesday that Kazemi killed McNair and herself. In the video, Kazemi repeatedly asks an officer to have McNair come to the window of the police cruiser where she's sitting.

The officer responds, "He's not happy."

McNair, who wasn't charged, leaves in a cab without coming to talk to her. He later bailed her out.

[OUsoonersR1]

Is it possible that the cop that pulled McNair and Kazemi over caused her to go over the edge ? It was already stated that she was having insecurities about him seeing another woman and the cop telling her that McNair wasn't happy and then seeing him leave in a cab without coming to speak with her may have led her to believe that he was leaving to go see the other woman while she sits in jail. So after she's bailed out she went and bought the gun off the street of course and bam we all know what happened next.

This woman clearly had a " If I can't have you nobody will " mentality but you have to wonder if the cop hadn't of told her McNair didn't want to speak to her because he wasn't happy if she'd have went off the deep end and he might still be alive.

No. She was already over the edge.

McNair not coming to the car may have been the final straw, but not the words from the cop.