Is Whilce leaving after #195?

[Eduard]

Hi all,

I saw on the central imagecomics in the article on the image united prelude that Whilce is leaving Spawn as of #195?

Is this true?

And are there any clues as to who will take up the art chores?


Best from the Netherlands,

Eduard

[Hanky Panky]

Yes...I just read the same article and it appears he will be gone. Not sure who will take over but I think Angel Medina might be looking for work these days.

[Hellfire]

Yes...I just read the same article and it appears he will be gone. Not sure who will take over but I think Angel Medina might be looking for work these days.

You're scaring me...

[misfit84j]

Whilce can do whatever he wants. He's been my favorite artist since Capullo left, and I have the most respect for the guy.

If he is leaving, god bless :spawnorb::spawnorb::spawnorb:

[Naughty Messiah]

Ya looks like he's leaving but no official word yet (at least here on the boards). No clue who replacing him.

Will Spawn make it to 200? Who knows... :spawnorb:

[Yankee Rose]

That's lame. He hasn't been on the book long.

[Pubert]

Yes...I just read the same article and it appears he will be gone. Not sure who will take over but I think Angel Medina might be looking for work these days.

I'd consider that the end of Spawn.

No more "keep buying the issues because things are going to get real crazy soon.. "

Just the end.

[Karnis]

I for one won't miss his work on Spawn. I considered it to be rushed & half hearted compared to other books I've seen him draw.

[misfit84j]

Whilce's work isn't by any means half hearted, but I do admit it looks lazy. There were a ton of panels re-used and recycled throughout 185-190ish.

He's a great artist, but he's just nowhere near the skill of mast artists today.

Can Spawn have an artist that can keep us happy please?

[rcorporon]

I'd like to have any of these options:

-Todd draw full time
-Greg back
-Philip Tan back

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Let's get Spawn back to where it should be.

[NickGuy]

phil is about to burst into stardom from the looks of it with his batman and robin run. i doubt hed come back to spawn but if he did id love it.

[michaeljsmith]

phil is about to burst into stardom from the looks of it with his batman and robin run. i doubt hed come back to spawn but if he did id love it.

he is under exclusive with DC - talked to him the other day about GODSLAYER... he says he was really feeling that book and had plans

[rpgguy_1o1]

Yes...I just read the same article and it appears he will be gone. Not sure who will take over but I think Angel Medina might be looking for work these days.

spoke with him about a month ago and he said the happiest he's ever been professionally was at TMP.
I personally love his stuff, and spent a buttload on his art. got two spawns, one gunslinger and one redeemer.
I'd take angel back in a heartbeat.

[rcorporon]

If Angel "Alien Head" Medina came back, I'd drop Spawn in a heartbeat and never look back.

As for Tan, I was very upset about the way he was bounced off of Spawn onto Godslayer, and then Godslayer got canned, leaving him with nothing.

I'm glad he's found the success he has at DC, and it's well deserved, although I'd love to have him back on Spawn in some capacity.

[tre_77]

What the HELL is going on over there!!!???

We waited months for the "new" Spawn run with an "all star" line up and "mind blowing" storylines...

All we ended up getting was descent art, late comics, and a trillion questions.

In my opinion, Spawn was crippled after #150, and was murdered at #185........

RIP

[spawnjohnuk]

he is under exclusive with DC - talked to him the other day about GODSLAYER... he says he was really feeling that book and had plans
What do you mean Brik pls.. is he able to do some form of continuation in the future.?
I miss that book more than any other ive read, the possibilities were endless.

[michaeljsmith]

No he just said he was sad because he had a lot of plans for that book.

The solicitations for December are out.... artist for issue #199 (right like that will hit in December) are...

Todd McFarlane and Greg Capullo - head to the TMP 2009 OFFICIAL SOLICITATION THREAD if you want the full solicitation information.

[spawnjohnuk]

Thanks again Brik.. im sad as well now :(
Just been reading your solicitation thread , im 100% lost ,i'll be honest. brill thread but i really cant get my head round what,s going on with spawn or TMP.
they have ruined it by looks of things, if Jim is Jim it will take another 10 issues to explain it to me,
if he ends up looking just like Al ..as i've read elsewhere ..what is the point in killing him just to have everybody return looking like they used to, with the "adventure" being who is Jim???
Lost, lost ,lost...........

[KingTeePee]

I was never a huge fan of a Whilce, I thought he was good. But he is no Grag Capullo. It was interesting the other day to see Whilce drawing a cover of Hulk 18. Also, it is not the end of Spawn. Spawn will always endure.

[Pubert]

What the HELL is going on over there!!!???

We waited months for the "new" Spawn run with an "all star" line up and "mind blowing" storylines...

All we ended up getting was descent art, late comics, and a trillion questions.

In my opinion, Spawn was crippled after #150, and was murdered at #185........

RIP
Just keep buying more issues.
Things will start to get exciting.
Lots of big changes in the works.

[misfit84j]

I've always felt Spawn has been in a constant state of building-up ever since Armageddon. Things aren't grounded or settled, meaning the book has never stated "Ok, this is where I'm at, this is where I'm going to stay." Remember when Al was in the alleys and would take on whatever obstacle, and would always have the alleys to retreat to? It feels like when he Spawn left the alleys, there has been no real direction.

Crap, I don't think I've come tp grips with the fact that ARMAGEDDON, the battle to end all battles, has already taken place. Did Todd really think this storyline was the perfect follow-up to Hine's end of the world / Mammon arc? This proves he has no plan that is well though out.

Spawn's my number 1 book, but goddammit this is frustrating.

[spawnjohnuk]

I know what's being said, no direction or idea's or even changing from issue to issue,,it is totally frustrating, but if the case is the "master todd plan" then the back issue stories must come into play..surely.
From trying to read between the lines from issue 150 to date, the only explanation is chris.'for me.
Otherwise it is a case of write it and draw it and see how it goes.....i personally have to have more faith than that ,Todd was always an innovator (if that's how it's spelt) ...i cant belive he's at a loss for a story and if endgame is a story a fresh...i really really am totally lost.. dragging it's feet is an understatement.

Still, i've only ever followed mcfarlane and spawn so perhaps him begining to force me to move elsewhere might not be a bad thing. best scenario for me now would be all issues come out on time and issue 200 is a decider.

[misfit84j]

Yes, 200 will either make or break Spawn. I myself will never leave Spawn, but once 200 arrives, things need to change big time with this book.

[spawnjohnuk]

Yes, 200 will either make or break Spawn. I myself will never leave Spawn, but once 200 arrives, things need to change big time with this book.
Agreed here, only i dont really see point in me following it if it just isnt what im looking for, entertainment wise..i just hope it does get on to something soon, honestly ..with this title no-one should be this frustrated,
A good suggestion was endgame should have been a spin off book like godslayer...(bad choice of comparison by me there..endgame isnt no godslayer) but get my point.

God it's awful really adding the delay to our waiting and seeing and hoping hell.. perhaps we all died at armaggedon and this is hell spawn was on about :)

[metal_hellspawn]

Damn shame, was loving his art.

[carnival19]

I think Medina did a great job on Psycho Circus. I like his art better than Portacio.

[misfit84j]

ick. Medina was a cluster**** of unclear . . . i don't know what.

[samus88]

Let me get this straight. The new run started with Holguin, and Portacio. Quickly Holguin left...and Todd replaced him. Colorist changed too, but I don't recall the names. And now Whilce could leave too?

So much for a "run".

[rcorporon]

I called "Endgame" an unmitigated disaster quite some time ago... and my initial assumption has panned out, it would seem.

Just bring Greg back on the book, get some half-way decent writer around, and give us, the fans (remember, the ones who pay TMP's paycheques) what we want.

[misfit84j]

I don't get how Image books like Walking Dead or Invincible stay so fluent in terms of style and quality, yet Spawn (the face of Image) is getting such crappy management.

Whilce was fine, but now he's leaving.
The original colorist for Endgame did a lazy job, so had to be replaced.
Todd took Holguin's spot, but hasn't wowed anybody at all yet.

Forget about art for a second, and just look at the writing pre-101. Can't things just you know, go back to that?

[spawnjohnuk]

I have been wondering ..as 195 is so late ,will this mean 196 will be late also or will it be released in october as planned. Does anybody know how it works after delays??
Also if spawn 190 cover is Whilce's Jim/Spawn look, i personally will miss him as i liked that and his new angels look and clowns, my prob was storyline only

[murch]

Normally they'll space the books out a bit, which means 196 will probably be pushed back as well.

[Karnis]

I called "Endgame" an unmitigated disaster quite some time ago... and my initial assumption has panned out, it would seem.

You and me both. After all the hype, "Endgame" has turned into a total fail.

The original writer, penciller and colorist, all gone withing a space of less than 10 issues.

It still boggles my mind that the primary property of Todd McFarlane continues to be mismanaged at such an alarmingly high rate. Why some people continue to rave over his business acumen is beyond me.

[McF-disciple08]

I think/ hope he's taking a temporary break from Spawn so he has time to work on Image United, that's probably why there's a delay on Spawn 195; Todd and Whilce are working on IU. If he's leaving for good though, get Greg back on, it seems like he's finding more time to do comic book work. He'll definitely be able to fill the spot comfortably. Not Angel for sure. While I did like his work on Sam & Twitch and Psycho Circus, his Spawn stuff wasn't his best by far.

[spawnjohnuk]

Who's actually giving endgame it's direction and storyline? is it Todd? , there didnt seem to be much of a problem with Whilce's work more the storyline, shouldn't it have been story writer that left?
Some very strange decisions..be really nice to read the fans comments after 195, im hoping it's not all gonna be great art type stuff more a combined sigh of "oh thank god thats sorted"

[Pubert]

Let me get this straight. The new run started with Holguin, and Portacio. Quickly Holguin left...and Todd replaced him. Colorist changed too, but I don't recall the names. And now Whilce could leave too?

So much for a "run".


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[Dan Kane]

Since it seems we won't be getting Hine back on writing, get Phil Hester with Greg on art. Probably at this point, it'd be the only thing for me to care bout this book anymore to buy it.

[Dan Kane]

I will say, though, it is sad to be seeing Whilce go.

[misfit84j]

It is ****ty seeing him go. There's just something about they guy and his artwork that pulls me in.

And I'm of the opinion that it's gotten to the point where it is VITAL for Greg to come back.

[rcorporon]

Spawn, IMO, has never been in as bad a place as it is right now.

A lot of the fans (if this board is representative) are unhappy with the current story, killing Al seemed misplaced, and the revolving door creative team we've seen has been detrimental.

Now toss in delayed issues and the main artist heading out, with no official word here on the board about it, means things are looking dire indeed.

Spawn is starting to feel like it should be mercifully put down, while it has some traces of dignity.

[misfit84j]

Seriously, I just blame Todd. He's my friggin idol, but he's not 100% into comics anymore.

[spawnjohnuk]

I've just had a look through all my favorites and found Holguin is the writer on 80% ..so there you go..im a Holguin fan.

[Pubert]

I think carlitos needs to take over Spawn since Whilce is leaving.

Based on his short work history on any one title, TMP most likely has been shopping around for his replacement.

Carlitos has already come to light with his stunning Haunt #1 cover.

How about them apples?

[rcorporon]

Beg & plead Greg to draw Spawn again.

[TK]

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RC; i dont think the pleading will be necessary .. for the last eight or so years Greg had been working
in other devisions of TMP that are not currently running.

[Screaming4Blood]

Heavyink.com says Whilce will still be on, at least until 199, which has now been inked and colored. http://heavyink.com/comic/11515-Spawn-199

[misfit84j]

Pretty much, 185 was a jumping on point, but 201 needs to be a NEW jumping on point.

Spawn is my #1 book regardless of what I get, but this is just sad ****. It's a pity, since Todd McFarlane, the genius that stared the book, can't manage in comics anymore. This is by no means the end of Spawn, I just take this as Image's version of Ultimatum. Wink.

[OliverBlack]

Heavyink.com says Whilce will still be on, at least until 199, which has now been inked and colored. http://heavyink.com/comic/11515-Spawn-199

If you read the actual summary it says Todd & Greg on Art and Cover

[Matt the Undead]

How about we get HINE/CAPULLO/MCFARLANE/FOTOS

i'd be down with that.

[rpgguy_1o1]

How about we get HINE/CAPULLO/MCFARLANE/FOTOS

i'd be down with that.

this.

[aspawnfan]

Heavyink.com says Whilce will still be on, at least until 199, which has now been inked and colored. http://heavyink.com/comic/11515-Spawn-199
Todd has already said he is doing the artwork to finish #195. Plus Image has already announced that #195 is Whilce's farewell to Spawn.

[Spawnomite]

Maybe Todd is gonna pencil issues 196-200.

[Dan Kane]

this.

Double this.

[Screaming4Blood]

Ah, well I guess I can't trust Heavyink.com's information anymore.

[Eduard]

I for one would love to see interior art by Todd again, I'm already thrilled about the covers to Haunt.

I'm very double on the whole endgame arc, as I expected more from it both art and storywise.

I love much of what Whilce has produced as artwork in the past, but in the current Spawn run he was pushed too far outside his 'art-center of gravity' for my taste. Add to that the boring washed down colors that apparently Todd is looking for (as he also had Fotos on the Haunt cover), make the art not as appealing to me. If I add to that a storyline that is more confusing than enthralling, I am less thrilled for the next Spawn issue than I want to be.

I also think that the storyline has been floating back and forth since the Armageddon arc and the book was searching for a clear voice ever since then, in my opinion. It is not a good thing if it feels like they are dragging-out a story. I liked the Mammon character, but the story turned too far away from the Spawn core.

I always applaud it when a tv-series has a definite ending (Twin Peaks, Carnivale) and doesn't run until there are no viewers left (Lost, Prison Break, Heroes, Desperate Housewives, Brothers & Sisters, and many more). Of course, money is the issue, I know.

But I do remember Todd saying in an interview he did way back when Spawn #1 was launched, that this was his first character, and he had plenty more. Spawn wasn't necessarily the best, just the first.

I would state: ending a series can be a good thing. Starting a new direction can also be a good thing, however it should look strong and not a spurt of the moment thing (the tremendous change in the creative team of the Spawn book during the Endgame arc is no pricewinner. With Jin Han , Brian Holguin and now Whilce Portacio leaving).

Anyway, sorry for the long rant. Maybe I should just say: I would love to see Todd draw and ink again.
The writing maybe with someone.

best regards,

from the Netherlands

[spawnjohnuk]

Got a question for those in the know...have Image ever had or have another title that's 200 issue's long ?
All the stuff i have doesn't make the 100, so is it only Spawn that's long running?

[misfit84j]

Yes. Which is why Spawn is in no danger of stopping at 200. The first Image book to reach 200, end at 200? That'd be pretty cheap.

[spawnjohnuk]

I agree ,but its looking weird at mo, im not into all this it makes my head hurt, even Tyler's been on now saying he agree's , i think with all spawn canceled... not funny , :(
if an explenation isn't being give and it's total guessing game land.. i've had enough, nice meeting some
not so others, you do things strangley at TMP

[metal_hellspawn]

Sure would be cool if we had someone on this forum. Someone who...I don't know, is in the TMP company. Coudl get official news on if Whilce is leaving or not. Oh well, guess that's just a far fetched idea.

[Pubert]

Todd has already said he is doing the artwork to finish #195. Plus Image has already announced that #195 is Whilce's farewell to Spawn.

That was a long run for Whilce.

[rcorporon]

Sure would be cool if we had someone on this forum. Someone who...I don't know, is in the TMP company. Coudl get official news on if Whilce is leaving or not. Oh well, guess that's just a far fetched idea.

I was thinking the same thing. It'd be nice if Tyler or somebody would give us some official news.

[Screaming4Blood]

I can't believe Whilce's is leaving so soon. Damn, he wasn't even on for a whole year. But I don't want to hear talk about 200 being the end of Spawn, it's the only comic I read(Haunt will make 2nd) and I've loved it from the get-go. Sure, the current story arc is pretty bad both story and art wise, bubt I have hopes that it will get back to awesome after Endgame is over.

[TK]

I thought Endgame started in September of last year?

[samus88]

Though this might sound like a broken record, I'll say it again.

I hope Al Simmons returns in #200. No more Jim. Bring Al back. Not even Todd can be so "naive" to not realize Spawn is failing because of that little event way back in #185. Spawn without Al Simmons doesn't work. If this run isn't just proof of that...

I hope Todd read all the negative feedback since Endgame started and realizes, or embraces it, and changes the direction. Of course, it might be a decent book without Al anyway, but so far, Endgamed "sucked" and not simply because Al's been missing...

And it could suck too with Al altogether... but at least it would be a step in the right direction.

[misfit84j]

I'm still willing to give Jim a chance, but if Todd does decide to have Al come back, then he could just have Al bust out of Jim's body (ala issue 11) in a spectacularly gory page.

[spawnjohnuk]

I'm still willing to give Jim a chance, but if Todd does decide to have Al come back, then he could just have Al bust out of Jim's body (ala issue 11) in a spectacularly gory page.
I love this, plsplsplspls make this come true, again Genius

[misfit84j]

Or my more realistic idea would have Al sort of be what Cog was. Except he never comes into full light, always in the dark, guiding/taunting Jim, saying he has no idea what the hell he is doing or the power he has at his fingertips.

Al Simmons can be sort of a Mothman type figure. A manifestation of pure haunting sadness.

[rcorporon]

Or my more realistic idea would have Al sort of be what Cog was. Except he never comes into full light, always in the dark, guiding/taunting Jim, saying he has no idea what the hell he is doing or the power he has at his fingertips.

Al Simmons can be sort of a Mothman type figure. A manifestation of pure haunting sadness.

No more "brooding" Al please... let's get back to the basics here.

[Pubert]

No more "brooding" Al please... let's get back to the basics here.

Easy there, let's keep the hopes a bit realistic.

I'm not sure anyone could handle a happy Spawn.

[Brandon Storm]

I have to tell you guys something; I never liked the name "Al" and always thought it was lame.

I also don't like the name "Jim".

I'm speaking specifically in relation to this comic and not in general though.

[spawnjohnuk]

Or my more realistic idea would have Al sort of be what Cog was. Except he never comes into full light, always in the dark, guiding/taunting Jim, saying he has no idea what the hell he is doing or the power he has at his fingertips.

Al Simmons can be sort of a Mothman type figure. A manifestation of pure haunting sadness.
This is reality much more realistic,...endgame....i hate it, Al bursting out of Jim ,oh yeh this is the way to go Todd

[DragonVileHater]

I'm pretty sure Al will be back. It seems like what he did was part of a big plan that he had.

I actually, recently saw an old advertisement for Endgame that uses the Chess metaphor. It said something along the lines of, "When does a pawn stop being a pawn?" and it got me to thinking...A pawn stops being a pawn either when it is captured, or reaches the other side of the board, in which case it becomes a Queen. The Queen = the most powerful piece in the game.:eek:

[Hellfire]

Haha, Al turns into a queen :p





Sorry, that's great thinking actually, many compliments :spawnorb:

[vealster1]

I'm pretty sure Al will be back. It seems like what he did was part of a big plan that he had.

I actually, recently saw an old advertisement for Endgame that uses the Chess metaphor. It said something along the lines of, "When does a pawn stop being a pawn?" and it got me to thinking...A pawn stops being a pawn either when it is captured, or reaches the other side of the board, in which case it becomes a Queen. The Queen = the most powerful piece in the game.:eek:

The other way to stop being a pawn is to take yourself out of the game which is what Al Simmons did by killing himself.

I think that's what this is a reference to.

[rcorporon]

The other way to stop being a pawn is to take yourself out of the game which is what Al Simmons did by killing himself.

I think that's what this is a reference to.

Exactly. The references ended with the answer that the pawn stops being one when it removes itself from the game.

[punkg42]

If Angel "Alien Head" Medina came back, I'd drop Spawn in a heartbeat and never look back.

As for Tan, I was very upset about the way he was bounced off of Spawn onto Godslayer, and then Godslayer got canned, leaving him with nothing.

I'm glad he's found the success he has at DC, and it's well deserved, although I'd love to have him back on Spawn in some capacity.

ick. Medina was a cluster**** of unclear . . . i don't know what.

Some of his stuff was simply amazing...
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[punkg42]

I personally didn't like Hine's run on Spawn at all.... It might have been the art that made me dislike it, but yeah... I don't want Hine back.

[michaeljsmith]

I personally didn't like Hine's run on Spawn at all.... It might have been the art that made me dislike it, but yeah... I don't want Hine back.

You got one out of two right... Medina did have some good stuff. However, Hine's run on Spawn pushed the character forward more than any other point in the book. I think the end was choppy but he was trying to wrap it up. Hine would be my choice for writer, which won't happen with all of the projects he has going on, and Capullo as artist (though I would settle for Todd or Tan :p )

[punkg42]

Got a question for those in the know...have Image ever had or have another title that's 200 issue's long ?
All the stuff i have doesn't make the 100, so is it only Spawn that's long running?

Savage Dragon is around 155 or so. Same writer, penciller, inker on all of them. Gotta hand it to Erik Larsen!

[punkg42]

You got one out of two right... Medina did have some good stuff. However, Hine's run on Spawn pushed the character forward more than any other point in the book. I think the end was choppy but he was trying to wrap it up. Hine would be my choice for writer, which won't happen with all of the projects he has going on, and Capullo as artist (though I would settle for Todd or Tan :p )

I don't know what it was about Hine I didn't like... but some of the story elements just seemed to bastardize everything that came before it.... I know they were trying to break away from the old storylines etc and start new... but pissing all over everything that came before was a bad choice IMO.... I mean Al killing his unborn child by being an abusive husband...:rolleyes: Stuff like that just rubbed me the wrong way.

[michaeljsmith]

Savage Dragon is around 155 or so. Same writer, penciller, inker on all of them. Gotta hand it to Erik Larsen!

Yep - Spawn is longest running, Savage Dragon is next, then you have Witchblade at 132 this week

[michaeljsmith]

I don't know what it was about Hine I didn't like... but some of the story elements just seemed to bastardize everything that came before it.... I know they were trying to break away from the old storylines etc and start new... but pissing all over everything that came before was a bad choice IMO.... I mean Al killing his unborn child by being an abusive husband...:rolleyes: Stuff like that just rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't feel he bastardized anything but rather built upon existing content (in a similar fashion that Johns has done with Green Lantern... and before people jump on their bandwagons I am not comparing the two writers). When he had Mammon sitting in Al's dad chair reading the paper that was pulling in some continuity from 50 plus issue earlier. I think the killing the baby was a "politically correctness" problem but as we saw he was also bringing that around and Al and Wanda's daughter was born... until the end of the run had to be changed and it was claimed that she wasn't.

Everyone has a favorite and I felt like there was more of a direction under Hine than any other point in the book.

[rpgguy_1o1]

I don't know what it was about Hine I didn't like... but some of the story elements just seemed to bastardize everything that came before it.... I know they were trying to break away from the old storylines etc and start new... but pissing all over everything that came before was a bad choice IMO.... I mean Al killing his unborn child by being an abusive husband...:rolleyes: Stuff like that just rubbed me the wrong way.

I don't think Al was ever really a good person, he killed people for a living.
I didnt read that and think "Oh no, he couldn't have possibly have done that!"

.... she lived anyway

[Pubert]

Savage Dragon is around 155 or so. Same writer, penciller, inker on all of them. Gotta hand it to Erik Larsen!

He just has a good work ethic.

[Hellfire]

.... she lived anyway

:D

[michaeljsmith]

I don't think Al was ever really a good person, he killed people for a living.
I didnt read that and think "Oh no, he couldn't have possibly have done that!"

.... she lived anyway

He just has a good work ethic.

This folks is the Spawn Comic Forum :p

[rpgguy_1o1]

it's not like he didn't get her a puppy afterwards!

[rcorporon]

I wish we had found out what really happened to Mammon and Morana... so many unfinished, loose ends.

[Dan Kane]

Hmm, thing was, Hine didn't start the Al being abuse plot point. It was established way before Hine even wrote the book that he used to hit Wanda and in one issue she even says she lost the baby because of Al. Hine simply just showed the scene.

[Spliff]

BRING DWAYNE TURNER BACK:
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[misfit84j]

Yes!!! :spawnorb:

There are ton of guys that should be creaming themselves to work on this book. :spawnorb:

[deaconabstrakt]

Not sure if this is the place for this topic but, i found out why issue 195 isn't out yet. it's 1 part from a 4 issue PRELUDE to image united. the other 3 being savage dragon, invincible and witchblade..i believe. Kind of crappy reason why the issue has been held for weeks! why not make it 196? ahh, i know why, it just happens to be the same release amount as united so that way the book picks up readers right before issue 200. So all these sales from united will spark new life in spawns direction. What will new readers think of the book and how it's playing out in endgame? If this is the case, all i ask is that you kick SPAWN in the ass and bring this book back to the power house it is! There are many talented artist that would probably pencil an issue for free just to say thy did! When you say SPAWN, there is a mental picture of what should be seen on the pages of the book and sadly, we've not seen anything near what it should display.

o.k. i'm done ranting!

[KingTeePee]

I've read everyone's take on this and I just want to throw my thoughts on this...

I agree that 185 was this new "jumping point", "revamp" whateever you want to call it. And I think Endgame has been pretty interesting. I don't think Al will come back anytime soon. He may, he may not. It's all up to Todd. I for one am bull**** about 195 being delayed 2-3 months. 200 will probably be a good comic if Todd is 100% into it. But Whilce is doing whatever he wants to do. If he did for money or creative reasons let him. Someone else will work on the book. Todd is doing some penicils in 195 so that's a start. I agree Todd isn't 100% into comics anymore. Haunt is also another thing he's been trying to hype for a while. I will not leave Spawn. Someone on this board said this is the lowest point Spawn has been in years, I disagree with that, I think some of the Hine stuff. Al being an abusive husband was bull****. Spawn will not go away either, I don't see it getting cancelled, or ending after 200. Spawn is Image Comics longest running book. It's not going away. Now the idea of Al coming back as Cog, maybe that would be the most logical, but who knows. That's my take.

[Eduard]

deaconabstrakt

The image united prelude is not the reason that #195 is delayed. Initially the image united prelude was scheduled to appear in Spawn #197, but because of the delays in the book coming out the image united prelude would take to long to be finished (probably after the actual image united mini series starts) and therefor the shifted the prelude two issues back to #195.

[michaeljsmith]

deaconabstrakt

The image united prelude is not the reason that #195 is delayed. Initially the image united prelude was scheduled to appear in Spawn #197, but because of the delays in the book coming out the image united prelude would take to long to be finished (probably after the actual image united mini series starts) and therefor the shifted the prelude two issues back to #195.

YEP what he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Dan Kane]

Why does everyone keep referring and blaming Hine for Al being abusive? It was establish WAY before Hine that Al was abusive and was the cause for Wanda having a miscarriage. Al Hine did was finally show us that specific scene. Seems people have a lousy memory. :confused: