DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 5-5 SEASON: RUN RICKY RUN, 119 YARDS, 2 TD'S, 1 REC. TD!

[Vandy58]

Here is my break down of Monday night football on Thursday!

Dolphins had a better game then last game. Green looked good the two drives he played! As it was pointed out so many times his 3 incompletions were all droped passes. If this had been a real game and Ronny played the whole game he was breaking the century mark, great job out of him! O line looked better this week then last week. Is it me or is it scary to think that without JT, Thomas, Porter, our D is still kicking some arse? Lemon looked good, and Beck will be the future of this team! I love the fact that we finally have an offensive minded coach! If it were the regular season I would be scared that Cameron goes for the win instead of the tie but 2/2 is hard to agrue with! Last but not least, JT KICKS ***, sorry just had to throw that in!

As for us making history, according to ESPN, in the entire history of the NFL, there has never been a game to end 11-10! GO FINS!!!!!

[UFCFan]

The O Line play was a bit better, but still way too porous. They didn't allow any of the QB's time to throw. They were much improved from a run blocking aspect, but I still saw a lot of defenders bearing down on Ronnie as soon as he got the ball on quite a few of his carries.

Because the line play was still below average, there were hardly any downfield throws in the game. Beck had a couple nice passes, including an awesome catch by Courtney Anderson. Lemon looked solid, but never did much more than little checkdowns and dumpoffs. Green looked better than last game, but he wasn't given much time, and boy does he need it. If he can't get set in the pocket, he isn't going to perform well at all this year.

Ginn looked very hesitant on all of his returns. I didn't see him explode one time after catching a punt or kick, and he wanted to bust everything to the outside. That isn't going to work often in this league, so I really hope he busts a nice return in the next game. He needs something to build a little confidence.

The D was excellent once again. The D line got consistent pressure, and the run d when the "starters" were in was very nice. Paul Soliai in particular looked impressive. The secondary had a much better week than in the Jax game. They didn't allow big cushions this week, and the DB's played the ball a lot better. Tackling was solid for the most part as well. Michael Lehan had a standout game, I thought.

[Goalkeeper]

That was an ugly game.

EXCITED for the D.

Same old, same old from the O.

I hope like hell we can turn it around offensively.

[Vandy58]

Ginn looked very hesitant on all of his returns. I didn't see him explode one time after catching a punt or kick, and he wanted to bust everything to the outside. That isn't going to work often in this league, so I really hope he busts a nice return in the next game. He needs something to build a little confidence. .


Perfectly said, I forgot to talk about Ginn, going backwards 10 yards is not the way to make a career in the NFL. HE LOOKED TERRIBLE, simple as that! He really needs to step it up! As for Green, what do you expect from a 75 year old, he needs time ;)

[Vandy58]

That was an ugly game.

EXCITED for the D.

Same old, same old from the O.

I hope like hell we can turn it around offensively.

I wouldn't say ugly, maybe not pretty ;) Brian, it has been a long time! How is everything?

[mmevile]

More promising turnout for Ronnie Brown, I'm glad. Wow, I still can't figure this team out.....still the same old issues. :( I guess have faith in Cam....**crosses fingers**

[mmevile]

Offense finally starting to click.......and Chatman continues to impress!! Yay.....def cause for optimism. :D

BTW.....a little OT: James Posey signs w/ the Celtics. He thinks he's getting another ring that -- we shall see. ;)

[Vandy58]

I saw nothing of the game, I wonder why :rolleyes: but saw the highlights. LOVE THE STATUE OF LIBERTY PLAY. I have not seen that done since my pee-wee team did it!

[Vandy58]

wow we have an offensive battle on our hands :rolleyes:

[Vandy58]

man chambers having problems never mind great catch

[mmevile]

That's it folks!!! You just saw the tide turn from this point forward......
What's the difference between the prev 3 coaches the 'fins had vs. Cam Cameron? Down 0-3.....4th down & 2.......we went for it rather than kick a field goal to tie.
Everyone goes to the locker up 7-3. ;)

[Vandy58]

my god a qb that actually passes to chambers

[Riddler]

Like running through butta in OT:eek:

[Joe Bruin723]

GOD! It just keeps getting worse and worse!!! I friggin' hate the Redskins!!!!

[avsfan21]

Well there goes your season, you let the redskins beat you.

[Chachi]

Well there goes your season, you let the redskins beat you.

Yea and now the post ***** goskins will start 27 new posts congratulating eveyone from the d to the qb to skippy the pretzel vendor - way to go Dolphins!

[Vandy58]

damnit that sucked! Green had an okay game, the o-line was not great, and right when we needed the D more then ever Portis runs through us! First game though. And avsfan, Elam got lucky, he misses two and you damn near lose to the bills. Broncos go 8-8!

[avsfan21]

I would take it over having to admit that we lost to the redskins.

[Vandy58]

dolphins will lose some games this year, I think we can all agree they are not superbowl bound. Unlike donky fans we can admit this we are not still in our HOF QB fantasy land!

[Joe Bruin723]

Green looked like a Captain out there though. We have a bad offensive line and he still managed.

[Vandy58]

Green looked like a Captain out there though. We have a bad offensive line and he still managed.

Agreed, he did not have that bad of a game! He is there to show the ropes to the real QB, John Beck! He will be a stud!

[Joe Bruin723]

Minnesota was the only bright spot of my day. All my other teams lost:(

[UFCFan]

The Dolphins didn't deserve to win the game, plain and simple. The Skins outplayed them in just about every facet.

The O Line was lousy as any serious Dolphin fan should have expected, even though they were better in pass pro than I expected. Either that or it was a product of how lousy Washington's front 4 is.

Trent Green played a good game, and was very smart except for that one horrible throw that Smoot should have picked with his eyes closed. He was fairly nimble in the pocket and overall made good throws. The god damn WR's didn't help at all. Chambers dropped at least 2 or 3 balls he should have caught, and Booker and Martin both had very costly drops.

A couple other things that stood out to me:

-Cam Cameron is going to kill me at some point this year. His clock management, or lack there of, was mind boggling. They squandered like 30 seconds over two plays before they scored that TD at the end of the first half. I have no idea why he didn't call for a TO after Chatman was stuffed on either of those two plays. He let it run down to 4 seconds, and then had the balls to go for the TD on a 3rd down play. Had he just called a TO, they could have ran another play first. Of course they got the six, but Jesus, that was an insane way to go about it.

-I am not sure how much I like the offensive playcalling. It is too early to judge for sure, but they should have ran the ball more, and I recall only two shots deep all game long. The dink and dunk crap is so boring to watch, and while it can be effective, it needs to be mixed up a bit more.

-Jason Campbell is going to be a good QB. For a guy who has only started 7 games, he looked very poised out there. He did make some bad throws, including putting way too much velocity and height on the ball when he didn't need to, but I liked what I saw. The first INT was on him, but it is a common mistake for young QB's. The other one I can't blame on him- he took a shot downfield with one on one coverage, and Daniels just made a play on the ball.

I sure hope a lot of you Dolphins fans out there can be realistic in expectations for the team this season. I know there are a ton of tard fans out there on Finheaven and the like who are already *****ing a fit and crying for Ronie Brown to be benched and calling for Ted Ginn's and Cam Cameron's heads, but it is going to take time.

The O Line is a complete mess and will not be very good this season. They will improve quite a bit, but it won't be seen until midseason at the earliest. Until that gets fixed, the run game is going to sputter and be ineffective most of the time, and there will be a lot of the dink and dunk crap because Green will be limited to 3 step drops a lot of the time.

I would point to next year as the time when this team will be poised to make a big jump. I still think they will be competitive in most games this season, and could very well win 7 or 8 games, but this is not a playoff caliber team, barring some big breaks.

[Riddler]

UFCFan,
Just want to throw out props for a very nice post that you made above. It's not often that a fan, just off a tuff loss, no less, can write an objective, unbiased wrap up.

I just wanted to add a point that you did not cover. I was surprised out how soft (used loosely here) your defense was. Particularly, the run defense of the Dolphins. I don't get to see many Miami games but I thought their defense would be much more formiable.

[UFCFan]

Thanks for the props. I try to be as realistic and level headed as possible. Even though the 'Fins had chances to win the game, I can't really be too mad because they just didn't deserve to win. The dropped passes, Chatman's fumble in Skins territory, and the stupid intentional grounding by Trent Green were all costly, but the Redskins outplayed them and actually had missed opportunities of their own that easily could have had them winning the game going away.

Regarding the run defense, I don't really think they looked all that soft. The Skins did gain some yardage, especially from the point Portis ran in the TD onward, but they contained the run for the most part. Very few defenses are going to be able to completely shut it down all game. Their run defense in the overtime period was inexcusable, though. I will say that unequivocally. They let Washington just march it right downfield into FG position on them.

[GOSKINS_08]

Good game today guys..Your defense played very good from keeping us from getting TD's, because we should have won by more..It was anybody's game today..Now if you guys care what I say (which I doubt you do) you guys will probably have alot of games like this this season..Your offense with those short passes reminds me of ours from last season, but your defense should keep you guys in alot of games.

[RickyWilliams34]

Cam Cameron needs to stop thinking Green is God and give Ronnie the ball more. He got barely any touches and when he did the o-line collapsed

[Vandy58]

Cam Cameron needs to stop thinking Green is God and give Ronnie the ball more. He got barely any touches and when he did the o-line collapsed

That was my biggiest complaint, ronnie did not get the ball all that much. Hell it seemed like the FB got more carries!

UFC fan as for Chambers not all were his fault, over all he did better. He is still having an issue with keeping the ball but trent was not perfect between the pipes either. Booker actually looked okay today. O-Line you said it best. Green was rushed way to much today. Defense did get soft in OT, hell the first half our D owned them, then the downfall happened, ie JT with a penalty. That brings up my other point, PENALTIES KILLED US! Holy crap we had to false starts on the same down, we went from 3-2 to 3-12.

[UFCFan]

I never said it was all Chambers' fault. However, he is up to his usual tricks already. He makes one diving catch, and just missed on another one (the one deep throw of the game that Green overthrew just a smidge), but he dropped two balls that were gimme catches. He has always had trouble making the routine catch.

[mmevile]

Hey guys, it's 1 game w/ an all-new coach & playcaller + on the road......let's keep it in perspective. ;) Although I hate losing the 1st game, I love the "potential" that they've shown. Yeah, we still have the same problems but I like some of the positives.

[Joe Bruin723]

You know maybe things will work out for the better by not drafting Brady Quinn. It's obvious that our receiveing corps are 'flawed' at best. Chris Chambers got 90 some yards, but from what I understand dropped some passes. Chris has been floating by for all of these years. He started his career off nice but now he has just become a once in a while threat. A homerun threat receiver like Randy Moss, Terrell Owens, Lee Evans, Calvin Johnson are all go-to guys too. Chris Chambers is not I guy I'd throw it to on 3rd and 5. Marty Booker had that role last year, but he doesn't look too good this year...

Back to the draft. I don't understand why we didn't use Ted Ginn Jr. His stats looked good on KR's. He seems like he may be a pretty likable guy here in Miami. I would like to see what John Beck can do with Ted Ginn though.

[RickyWilliams34]

The Phins offense won't do anything this year though unless Cam gets over his man love for players he has formerly coached and go with what was left in Miami (ex. Ronnie Brown). Bill Parcells proved that bringing back players from past coaching experiences doesn't work and Cam needs to realize that. Jessie Chatman is no Ronnie Brown.

[mmevile]

The Phins offense won't do anything this year though unless Cam gets over his man love for players he has formerly coached and go with what was left in Miami (ex. Ronnie Brown). Bill Parcells proved that bringing back players from past coaching experiences doesn't work and Cam needs to realize that. Jessie Chatman is no Ronnie Brown.Funny you say that esp since Chatman has been outshining Brown......a lot of people are talking here that he's going to get replaced by mid-season. ;)

Oh, btw can't use the O-Line excuse anymore since Chatman uses the same line.

[RickyWilliams34]

Chatman didn't do anything better than Brown today. Brown was in the game half as much as Chatman was.Funny you say that esp since Chatman has been outshining Brown......a lot of people are talking here that he's going to get replaced by mid-season. ;)

Oh, btw can't use the O-Line excuse anymore since Chatman uses the same line.

[RickyWilliams34]

Not to mention Brown actually fights for his yards when the O-line doesn't give him anything. Didn't see any of that out of Jessie.

[mmevile]

Not to mention Brown actually fights for his yards when the O-line doesn't give him anything. Didn't see any of that out of Jessie.I guess Cam is going w/ Chatman more & more then because he wants to purposely lose...must be that super-secret strategy we have all along. ;) :p

[GOSKINS_08]

Why are the dolphins debating using Chatman over Brown? I think Brown is better..I was wondering why they weren't sold on who their starting RB was.

[mmevile]

Why are the dolphins debating using Chatman over Brown? I think Brown is better..I was wondering why they weren't sold on who their starting RB was.From what we've seen so far: the best Brown can do is prob very average. And yes, it doesn't help that the o-line is crap but guess what -- the Fins are not the only team that has this prob....heck, Barry Sanders never had a decent line his whole career. Compounded by the fact that this is a 2nd pick of an NFL draft, there's a lot of potential he's supposed to live up to with such a status. He hasn't convinced anyone in the organization...so they're going w the idea of the 2-headed monster. ;)

[mmevile]

Yay.....yet another game were Ronnie Brown, Ted Ginn Jr & Chris Chambers disappoints -- Woohoo! :mad: :rolleyes: I can't even get mad at Trent Green for all those interceptions.....he's got no help whatsoever.

For crying out loud.....Brown had 9 yrds in the 1st half!!! When can we have Ricky Williams again...? ;)

[Vandy58]

Yay.....yet another game were Ronnie Brown, Ted Ginn Jr & Chris Chambers disappoints -- Woohoo! :mad: :rolleyes: I can't even get mad at Trent Green for all those interceptions.....he's got no help whatsoever.

Man we must have been watching a different game. Chambers stepped up the best that he could. When passes were catchable he got them. Yet again Ronnie does not get enough hand offs. Our only TD came with Ronnie doing the majority of the work. All I can say is 4 ******* TO'S???? 3 picks and 1 Fumble, caused by Green. He was our BIGGIEST PROBLEM!

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Another pick!

[mmevile]

Man we must have been watching a different game. Chambers stepped up the best that he could. When passes were catchable he got them. Yet again Ronnie does not get enough hand offs. Our only TD came with Ronnie doing the majority of the work. All I can say is 4 ******* TO'S???? 3 picks and 1 Fumble, caused by Green. He was our BIGGIEST PROBLEM!Well, you must think that last pick by Green was also a ball that wasn't catchable for Chambers, after all it was short & destined to hit the ground incomplete........funny that the Cowboys defender (who was 2-3 steps behind Chambers) didn't think so & was still able to manage to grab it before it hit the ground. Chambers was closer to the ball than the defender! ;) I'm not blaming the loss on Chambers alone, nor Brown....nor Ginn -- but C'MON.....what are these guys doing to help the cause?
- Chambers is "supposedly" a pro-bowl receiver who only catches the ball if it "is perfect" (he's too much of a veteran to cop-out w/ that excuse year & year again). Other top-tier receivers get the same amount of crappy balls thrown at them & they find a way to make plays.
- Brown had 9 YARDS w/ 9 or so CARRIES by halftime!!!! Yes, he made a brief showing after halftime but that's about it. The most "telling" tale here that the staff is no longer sold on this 2nd Overall Pick is that he had no helmet on in the sidelines on the integral part of the game in the later 4th quarter.
- OK, he's a rookie so we can give him "some" slack but Ginn is "supposedly" this reincarnation of Rocket Ismael w/ his speed & he does more W-E movement than N-S! So, I guess we were watching 2 diff games....although I would admit that I'd prob prefer watching it from your TV than mine -- so next game, I'm watching it using your tv (mine only shows how terrible the team is). :p

BTW, that last TD catch by Hagan is also what you might consider as "uncatchable" but clearly there's a big difference if Hagan fights for it vs. Chambers just letting it go. ;) Man....this is going to be a loooonnnnggggg season for Fins fans. :(

[mmevile]

Ronnie Brown = 11 carries for 33 yrds.
Jesse Chatman = 3 carries for 27 yrds.
The difference: one's a backup that's been out of football; the other a 2ND OVERALL PICK! :rolleyes:

So if you wonder why they didn't run the ball more.....look up. Given those stats I would throw on every single down myself. And NO, that stat doesn't exist only because they have a terrible O-Line....guess what, Ricky Williams had that same problem & didn't seem to stop his effectiveness. So this R. Brown kool-aid that everyone's been drinking & seems to be lovin'.......taste like **** to me. ;) :D

[pipetender]

Please come back Duante!

[UFCFan]

You guys are F****** ridiculous. That is about all I can say right now. Typical Dolphins "fans."

[mmevile]

You guys are F****** ridiculous. That is about all I can say right now. Typical Dolphins "fans."Ummm....'key. :rolleyes: I forgot my decoder ring for today -- care to "elaborate" on that statement (which btw is a mountain of information). :p

[UFCFan]

I'll elaborate.....

Clamoring for people to come back (Ricky Williams, Daunte Culpepper) to come back, or pinning a loss on any one player, like you did with your petulant crying about Ronnie Brown and Vandy did about Trent Green, is stupid, plain and simple.

The reality is that the team is piss poor right now. Any one guy isn't going to magically cure that. Even if Ronnie Brown had gained 150 yards in each game, the Dolphins are still likely looking at 0-2. Trent Green was good in the first game, other than that one real bad throw at the end that should have been picked. Today, he was far worse, but it isn't that open and shut.

The playcalling has been real puzzling to me. They come out in the 2nd half today and put together a real nice drive that ends in a TD and a real shortlived lead. Ronnie Brown was the catalyst on that drive. What happens next? He sits on the bench for pretty much the whole rest of the game. I really don't get that. Yeah, they were down and needed to pass more, but doing so on every down? They could never find any semblance of balance on offense, just as was the case last week. It should be clear that Ronnie Brown is not ever going to be one of those once in a generation type players, but he is more than capable of performing. Once again, the O Line could not block anyone to save their lives. They got no push all game, and every time either Brown or Chatman got a handoff (the whopping 16 or so times their backs got a carry), they immediately had to dodge people in the backfield. That just isn't going to cut it at this level. They did ok in pass pro, just like they did against the Redskins, but the run blocking is just atrocious right now.

Trent Green should not even be seen as some savior by anyone, Dolphins fan or otherwise. He is what he is- an old QB who is just about done. He is not part of the long term plan. He threw 4 picks today, and easily could have thrown another 2 that I saw. I still don't put it all on him. The entire offense is a mess, and I don't think Tom Brady would fare a whole hell of a lot better at this point.

Now the defense looks old and slow. Granted, they were on the field way, way longer than they should have been, especially in the first half. Still, the secondary was way too porous today, and the lack of any kind of pass rush was just alarming. Romo had all day to throw the ball, and when he didn't, he would run circles around JT or Roth and make a play. Some of that is Romo, but some of it appears to either be a lack of conditioning or just age starting to show a little bit.

Bottom line- this team is not good. I admit, before the season started, I thought this team was capable of 10 wins if things fell right. Technically, it could still happen, but it is looking like a 5-7 win team to me. Amazingly, as bad as they have been, they theoretically had chances to win both games. The game was closer today than the final score would indicate. They really had no business winning either game, but they could have.

My "**** ridiculous" comment had more to do with the "bring Daunte back", "bring Ricky back!", "Ronnie Brown suxxors" type crap. Are you people even watching the entire games? I am, and from what I see, the level of suck is widespread, not limited to one or two players.

[creeves33]

Ronnie Brown = 11 carries for 33 yrds.
Jesse Chatman = 3 carries for 27 yrds.
The difference: one's a backup that's been out of football; the other a 2ND OVERALL PICK! :rolleyes:

So if you wonder why they didn't run the ball more.....look up. Given those stats I would throw on every single down myself. And NO, that stat doesn't exist only because they have a terrible O-Line....guess what, Ricky Williams had that same problem & didn't seem to stop his effectiveness. So this R. Brown kool-aid that everyone's been drinking & seems to be lovin'.......taste like **** to me. ;) :D



I'm not saying Ronnie Brown is the greatest RB or anything but when he is in the game defenses tend to focus on him and when Chatman is in there he is not the focus so it's not that hard to run when you're not the focus of the defense.

[UFCFan]

Those numbers are also very deceiving for the fact that Chatman gained a lot of those yards on one carry, which was on a 3rd down play when everyone in the building was expecting a pass. It is a hell of a lot easier to pick up yards on a draw when a defense is allowing short stuff.

Frankly, neither guy is a world beater, but Brown is a much more talented player than Chatman is. He hasn't even really been given a chance yet. The playcalling has been questionable at best in both games, and for the life of me, I will never understand why Cam Cameron completely abandoned the run after the Dolphins took the lead early in the 3rd and then Dallas came right back and scored. The game was still well within reach at that point, but it seemed like he went into panic mode, and every damn play was out of the shotgun.

[mmevile]

My "**** ridiculous" comment had more to do with the "bring Daunte back", "bring Ricky back!", "Ronnie Brown suxxors" type crap. Are you people even watching the entire games? I am, and from what I see, the level of suck is widespread, not limited to one or two players.Wow, holidays in your house must be loads of fun.
If you truly believe that most of us here who's clamoring for the return of Culpepper & Williams (which we clearly know won't happen) as a legit request then perhaps that's more indicative of your level of understanding than ours. (hint: we're just joking about that....some even call it "sarcasm" ;) ) And yes, we understand that no 1 person can truly absorb the blame on a loss of a "team" sport....but thanks for pointing that out anyways (although Green almost made that happen today <---- again, that's called a j.o.k.e.).
I think it's time to take your meds now........here I am thinking I took today's loss badly. :rolleyes:

[mmevile]

Those numbers are also very deceiving for the fact that Chatman gained a lot of those yards on one carry, which was on a 3rd down play when everyone in the building was expecting a pass. It is a hell of a lot easier to pick up yards on a draw when a defense is allowing short stuff.And where did you think a majority of Brown's yardage came from but for 2 runs (immediately after halftime)? :rolleyes:

[UFCFan]

Cool eye roll smiley, bud!

The thing is, you may be being sarcastic about saying bring Ricky Williams back, but you are far from the only person I am talking about. Notice I said Dolphins "fans", not fan. Maybe if you were the first person I had heard suggest something like that, I would have just shrugged it off. However, I have been reading crap like that for two years. You can say whatever the hell you want about how you're just joking, but I have been reading you ***** and whine about Ronnie Brown for how long now, exactly? How many times has he even gotten the ball so far this year? 22 times on handoffs? Yeah. If he had 1 carry for 50 yards but didn't get the ball again would you be happy?

Say what you want, but you were in fact *****ing about one aspect of the team, and it is the same one you constantly ***** about. Why don't you go cry about how not one guy on defense could make a tackle to save their life?

[UFCFan]

And where did you think a majority of Brown's yardage came from but for 2 runs (immediately after halftime)? :rolleyes:

Was his biggest gainer on a 3rd down? I don't believe so. What is with the eye roll? Does that make you a part of some elite internet message board dumbass squad?

Go learn something about the actual game of football, please.

[mmevile]

Was his biggest gainer on a 3rd down? I don't believe so. What is with the eye roll? Does that make you a part of some elite internet message board dumbass squad?

Go learn something about the actual game of football, please.Dude you made a statement that the yardage between Chatman & Brown is deceiving since most of the yardage via Chatman came from 1 play. All I'm saying is Brown also gained most of his yardage on basically 2 plays (one is 12 yrds in the 3rd qrtr). How is that deceiving? Does it truly matter which down it is.....I don't even know why we should give a rat's *** what down it is?

[mmevile]

The playcalling has been real puzzling to me. They come out in the 2nd half today and put together a real nice drive that ends in a TD and a real shortlived lead. Ronnie Brown was the catalyst on that drive. What happens next? He sits on the bench for pretty much the whole rest of the game. I really don't get that.Yup, I do admit that this is very strange.....something works -- keep doing it. The only thing I can think of is that most of the radio stations here are under the impression that Cam (although he won't admit to this) is not a big believer of Brown & thinks that he was the prev coach's pick/mistake.

[Vandy58]

Wow bringing me into this, "typical fins fan" right! HHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMM 3 picks and 1 fumble all by the same guy, I stick with my comment he SUCKED! Which if I am not mistaken you said in the last post. I also brought up they do not give enough to ronnie I even talked about that same drive in the begining of the third yet I am still just a "typical fins fan" Wow since we talked about the same ******* thing does that also make you a typical fins fan? Also think about this, they scored on EVERY TO, 3 TD's and one field goal. Take those away and we had a chance at winning. Now who caused all 4??? GREEN, I never said I blame the whole loss on him because I do not. The play calling is a joke, I am 100% with you on Ronnie, always have been. As for the Daunte comment, well what I originally deleted because I would have got suspended!
I'll elaborate.....

Clamoring for people to come back (Ricky Williams, Daunte Culpepper) to come back, or pinning a loss on any one player, like you did with your petulant crying about Ronnie Brown and Vandy did about Trent Green, is stupid, plain and simple.

The reality is that the team is piss poor right now. Any one guy isn't going to magically cure that. Even if Ronnie Brown had gained 150 yards in each game, the Dolphins are still likely looking at 0-2. Trent Green was good in the first game, other than that one real bad throw at the end that should have been picked. Today, he was far worse, but it isn't that open and shut.

The playcalling has been real puzzling to me. They come out in the 2nd half today and put together a real nice drive that ends in a TD and a real shortlived lead. Ronnie Brown was the catalyst on that drive. What happens next? He sits on the bench for pretty much the whole rest of the game. I really don't get that. Yeah, they were down and needed to pass more, but doing so on every down? They could never find any semblance of balance on offense, just as was the case last week. It should be clear that Ronnie Brown is not ever going to be one of those once in a generation type players, but he is more than capable of performing. Once again, the O Line could not block anyone to save their lives. They got no push all game, and every time either Brown or Chatman got a handoff (the whopping 16 or so times their backs got a carry), they immediately had to dodge people in the backfield. That just isn't going to cut it at this level. They did ok in pass pro, just like they did against the Redskins, but the run blocking is just atrocious right now.

Trent Green should not even be seen as some savior by anyone, Dolphins fan or otherwise. He is what he is- an old QB who is just about done. He is not part of the long term plan. He threw 4 picks today, and easily could have thrown another 2 that I saw. I still don't put it all on him. The entire offense is a mess, and I don't think Tom Brady would fare a whole hell of a lot better at this point.

Now the defense looks old and slow. Granted, they were on the field way, way longer than they should have been, especially in the first half. Still, the secondary was way too porous today, and the lack of any kind of pass rush was just alarming. Romo had all day to throw the ball, and when he didn't, he would run circles around JT or Roth and make a play. Some of that is Romo, but some of it appears to either be a lack of conditioning or just age starting to show a little bit.

Bottom line- this team is not good. I admit, before the season started, I thought this team was capable of 10 wins if things fell right. Technically, it could still happen, but it is looking like a 5-7 win team to me. Amazingly, as bad as they have been, they theoretically had chances to win both games. The game was closer today than the final score would indicate. They really had no business winning either game, but they could have.

My "**** ridiculous" comment had more to do with the "bring Daunte back", "bring Ricky back!", "Ronnie Brown suxxors" type crap. Are you people even watching the entire games? I am, and from what I see, the level of suck is widespread, not limited to one or two players.

[UFCFan]

Guys, I just want to apologize for my rant last night. I was really irritated about the game, and I lumped you in with all the idiots on finheaven.com, which really wasn't fair.

You both had decent points, Vandy and mmevile. The thing is, I have been hearing so much of the exact same thing from people who claim to be Dolphins fans but are really just kneejerk reactionaries, so it gets on the nerves after a while.

I know you aren't the biggest Ronnie Brown fan, mmevile, but I really believe he is better than you give him credit for. The biggest problem, though, is that he was the 2nd pick in the draft, so everyone is expecting him to be an elite back. He has proven that he can be a consistent good back, but it really remains to be seen how good he can be because there has been so many things going against him. The O line has been just brutal, the whole offense has been so bad as well, which makes everyone stack 8 in the box, and now Cameron for whatever reason wants to keep playing Jesse Chatman over him.

I just don't get it. I understand that in these first two games, his yards per carry average hasn't been very good, but there really hasn't been holes for him, either. You can say what you want, mmevile, but Chatman, especially yesterday, was in a position to get easier yards on the ground than Ronnie was while he was in there. Cameron started calling passes on just about every single play, and Chatman was given the ball on draws, motion plays, or other misdirections, where the defense was expecting pass. That is primarily why his 3 carries for 27 yards looks so much better. When Brown was in the game, the offense wasn't running out of the shotgun on every snap, and the defense was in a position where they were being kept more honest. Why was Ronnie on the bench almost the entire second half? Even though he didn't get much on the ground the first half, he was effective catching the ball, something Chatman really wasn't.

I agree with you that it appears as if Cameron sees something he doesn't like about Ronnie Brown, and if this persists all season long, I won't be totally against them making a change at the RB position, but I really feel like Brown isn't being given a fair shake right now.

[RickyWilliams34]

Terrible loss yesterday. Cameron is supposed to be an "offensive mastermind". I haven't seen anything good out of him except the 4th down play against the Redskins. He needs to get over himself and PLAY RONNIE BROWN. Ronnie can't do anything when he isn't given a chance. When Chatman is in the backfield, he uses him creatively such as the misdirection yesterday. He has never done anything like that with Brown,Ronnie Brown can be the featured back if just given the carries. He has averaged 4.3 ypc the past two years and with bad o-lines. Just imagine what he can do with a good one.

[Vandy58]

Okay I found the find of the century and I have it on hold I want to know, should I buy it? To buy it I would have to put it on a CC and I am trying to pay them down

Zach Thomas Teal Authentic size 56 for $125.00. That jersey through NFL is $285.00

[cochese75]

Guys, I just want to apologize for my rant last night. I was really irritated about the game, and I lumped you in with all the idiots on finheaven.com, which really wasn't fair.

whats your name at finheaven?



:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

so I will make this quick, who would have thought you give it to Ronnie and he will run, glad Cameron finally pulled his head out of his ass and realized this! Defense was bad today. We could have had that game if they D would have showed up! Chambers is getting better as is booker! Hopefully it will only get better from here!

[RickyWilliams34]

So mmevile, still think UFC and I are dumb for thinking Brown is good? Cameron finally was smart and gave Ronnie the playing time he needs to be successful. Huge step for Ronnie in this game (Thank God I stuck with him in fantasy :)) Now all Cameron needs to realize is if Lemon gets put in, he will give us the best chance to win. This defense is extremely disappointing. I thought they'd be a top 3 defense this year.

[UFCFan]

A few thoughts from the game.....

-Ronnie Brown stepped up like he had to. He won't be this productive every single game, but it should silence most of the naysayers for at least a week. When he gets carries, he is productive, though. That much has been proven for 3 years running now.

-The O Line was very impressive today, both in pass pro and run blocking. They finally got a good consistent push and allowed Brown to get the ball and take a step or two without a defender bearing down on him in the backfield. This is a very good sign.

-The defense is bad. They look every bit as old and tired as a lot of the critics have said for over a year. Jason Taylor is a shell of his normal self right now, and his penchant for committing costly penalties at bad times is aggravating. The secondary played fair today, but the lack of any kind of pass rush continues to alarm the hell out of me. Matt Roth has been absolutely invisible, Joey Porter hasn't done much of anything, and the linebacking corps as a group were horrible today. Way too much of the underneath stuff over the middle was wide open today for the Jets.

More alarming is the fact that there are really no young players waiting in the wings to take over for the stars on defense. I thought Matt Roth could be a force, but he is getting handled with ease so far. I really wanted the Dolphins to take Patrick Willis in the draft, but a lot of fans didn't agree with me at all, assuming that the defense didn't need players. That is obviously flat out wrong. Next year's draft had better be heavy on defense and O-line players at this point.

Cam's playcalling was much better in this game. I liked what he did in the passing game, and he stayed committed to the run-most of the time. There was one key moment where he abandoned the run that really frosted my ass and could very well have cost the Dolphins the game. Ronnie Brown had just taken a screen pass and ran it inside the Jets 10 yard line, and then they get flagged for having 12 men in the huddle. Cameron then goes pass 3 straight plays, and ended up having to kick a FG. Definitely should have ran on 1st or 2nd down there.

Immediately following this, he decides to squib the kickoff, and the Jets get great field position, which they convert into the TD pass to Chris Baker. I understand they had just been burned by Washington's 98 yard return on the previous kickoff, but it was a bonehead decision. You have to have faith that your special teams can stop him there, or at least keep the return to a minimum. That whole sequence, beginning with the 3 straight pass play calls and ending with the Jets TD before the half, was huge.

This team is really in dissaray, and I sure hope no one is still thinking playoffs, for their sake. The team needs to be overhauled, something which should have been started 3 or 4 years ago. The Wannstedt years just set this team back many years, and then Saban insisted on plugging in vets instead of building on youth. I am liking where the offense is heading for the most part, but now it appears as if the near future will be the polar opposite of what the Dolphins have been for the last 9 or 10 years- instead of being very strong defensively and weak on offense, they will be good on offense and weak defensively. Think 1992-1994 era Dolphins. Soon enough, they will probably be good enough to make the playoffs, but not good enough to do anything once there.

Of course, that can change if draft picks are used wisely and they stop making stupid decisions in free agency.

[mmevile]

So mmevile, still think UFC and I are dumb for thinking Brown is good? Cameron finally was smart and gave Ronnie the playing time he needs to be successful. Huge step for Ronnie in this game (Thank God I stuck with him in fantasy :)) Now all Cameron needs to realize is if Lemon gets put in, he will give us the best chance to win. This defense is extremely disappointing. I thought they'd be a top 3 defense this year.Actually I don't remember saying that he's not good.....what I said is that he is not great (and for a 2nd pick, that's what I expect). ;) I gotta give props to Brown today......but also give props to the O-Line -- who knew that those 2 would work great today & the defense decides not to show up. :rolleyes:
Let's get a win against Oakland, ok. **crosses fingers**

[mmevile]

Ronnie is on a roll on this game.....hopefully this continues throughout the game.
Two 4th down conversions have been successful -- that one took major "cohones". :eek:

[Yukoner]

This team will be lucky to go 2-14 with that run defense.

[pipetender]

what was the dolphins reasoning for ridding themselves of Duante?

[UFCFan]

Some people say it had to do with the fact that Culpepper still wasn't healthy. A lot of the people in the media were actually saying around Feb/March that they would be surprised if he was ready to play this season.

The real reason I think is simple- Cameron wanted someone who was "his guy" that he felt comfortable with, so he went with Green. If Daunte had been healthy and played well last season, I don't think Cam would have been able to just jettison him like that, but the way things shook out made it easy for him to cut bait with Daunte.

[UFCFan]

Btw- awesome run defense today, Dolphins. I think Ray Charles could have ran for a buck fifty today.

[RickyWilliams34]

Ronnie has been very impressive these past two games. The Trent Green era needs to end. This defense is old and in need of lots of youth. I knew Cameron would regret letting Culpepper go although I am a strong believer that Beck will be very good. Might as well get him started now that the season is over.

[UFCFan]

Way too early for Beck, in my opinion. I understand your excitement to see him get on the field, though. I can't wait to see him play, either. Everyone knew going into the season that Green was going to be the guy for better or worse. If Green keeps making stupid decisions with the ball, they are going to put Lemon in, not Beck. The earliest I can see Beck getting in there is week 11 or 12, somewhere in there. Even then it isn't a certainty.

As for Ronnie Brown, he is playing like I knew he could. His numbers today are a bit skewed due to the 60 yarder he popped, but he has ran with attitude the last two games, and he is looking a lot shiftier than before. Considering how little the offense had the ball in the 2nd half, even without the 60 yarder, his numbers would have been impressive. I got really fired up when he ran in that 10 yard TD and trucked the dude at the goal line.

[RickyWilliams34]

Oh I know that Beck won't be put in. I'm just waiting for the day he is. I think Lemon is a good QB and should have been the transition to Beck instead of Green. Lemon would have given the Dolphins a big play ability imo.

Edit: my bad I didnt see you said his stats were still pretty good even w/o that carry

[mmevile]

what was the dolphins reasoning for ridding themselves of Duante?
So he could "run" for 3 TDs against us.....I think we got the hint that the knees are fine. :(
BTW, did anyone notice Joey Harrington having a good day also. :rolleyes: I guess Porter did win the game -- too bad it's Jerry & not Joey. As for Beck, let him sit it out still......Cleo's a pretty decent backup.

[HankScorpio]

Btw- awesome run defense today, Dolphins. I think Ray Charles could have ran for a buck fifty today.

I think Stephen Hawking could have run for a buck fifty against Miami today. Guys like Zach Thomas (and Bob Sanders as well) show you just how much of a difference one guy can make on a defense.

[mmevile]

So, is it too early to mortgage our most tradeable player in Jason Taylor for youth....? :confused:

[UFCFan]

I think Stephen Hawking could have run for a buck fifty against Miami today. Guys like Zach Thomas (and Bob Sanders as well) show you just how much of a difference one guy can make on a defense.

That has been true in the past whenever Zach has missed games. This year so far, though, the Skins and Cowboys still ran with a ton of success while he was in there. Not that it's his fault or anything, though. His career is on its last legs, but he is still a gamer.

As for trading Taylor, I honestly don't even know what he would bring right now. I doubt any team would be offering up a 1st rounder, or maybe even a 2nd. If the best they could get was a 3rd round pick, I say it isn't worth it and just letting him finish up his career as a Dolphin would outweigh the benefit. Of course, I really don't think he is quite done yet, either. It is obvious that the team isn't going to be a winner before he calls it quits, though, and on one hand, you would love to see guys like he and Zach get a chance at a ring. On the other, I would hate to have to see them in another uniform.

[Joe Bruin723]

I am not one that is hurting because we got rid of Daunte. I DO believe that the 2-back system was working well with Ronnie Brown, and Ricky Williams. It only lasted for a couple games but it was sweet.

This is just me, but we screwed up by picking Ted Ginn. I hope he turns out to be a HOF'er but we didn't need a guy to return kicks. At least we could use him more in the passing game.

It is really sad to see Trent Green playing like that. Statistically he has been one of the best QB's of the past 10 years. He is going out in a bad way. Our O-Line is flawed, and he is coming off a season in which he got KTFO! We put our marbles on a QB who is coming off of a MAJOR injury, for the second year in a row! We didn't need Quinn. He would have added some excitement. Hopefully Green can be a good mentor to Beck.

[UFCFan]

This is a transitional period anyway. It wasn't about bringing in the absolute best QB they could in an attempt to win now. The goal was to bring in someone who knew the system that Cameron was comfortable with to man the fort for the time being. If they sniffed the playoffs, cool, that would be a bonus.

The main thing at this point is to get Beck up to speed and in a position where he is ready to compete for the job next training camp. Ideally, I would like to see him get at least 2 or 3 starts at the end of this season so his progress can be evaluated. If he shows nothing, I really wouldn't be totally in opposition of drafting a QB, say Brian Brohm, with the 1st rounder in the draft. You really don't get a lot of shots to take a potential franchise QB in the NFL, and it is high time that the Dolphins got it right at that position. There are a ton of needs on the roster, and I really like Beck, but this team has been ****ing around at the QB position for far too many years.

[mmevile]

This is a transitional period anyway. It wasn't about bringing in the absolute best QB they could in an attempt to win now. The goal was to bring in someone who knew the system that Cameron was comfortable with to man the fort for the time being. If they sniffed the playoffs, cool, that would be a bonus.

The main thing at this point is to get Beck up to speed and in a position where he is ready to compete for the job next training camp. Ideally, I would like to see him get at least 2 or 3 starts at the end of this season so his progress can be evaluated. If he shows nothing, I really wouldn't be totally in opposition of drafting a QB, say Brian Brohm, with the 1st rounder in the draft. You really don't get a lot of shots to take a potential franchise QB in the NFL, and it is high time that the Dolphins got it right at that position. There are a ton of needs on the roster, and I really like Beck, but this team has been ****ing around at the QB position for far too many years.
Let's just say that's true & Beck becomes a great QB (and makes the offensive components we have now better....Brown & Ginn starts to pan out, receivers get better, our young o-line starts to gel).....does anyone have this sneaking suspicion that this is the Marino era all over again. The defense which became a staple in recent years is starting to get old & sad...by the time the offense catches up, I fear that the team becomes too offense-minded again w/ Tom Olividati running the "pretend" defense. I just wish we have more balance.

[UFCFan]

I absolutely agree with you on that, mmevile. I have been thinking a lot about that very thing for 2 weeks now. The offense has already improved immensely from where it was at last season, but I really am almost in disbelief at how fast the defense has fallen off. I knew it was coming, but I didn't expect it to be so sudden. I recall Jim Bates saying back in '04 that the defense was more of a concern than the offense, but no one seemed to bat an eyelash at the time.

Wannstedt's tenure really set this franchise back, both due to his never ending love affair for Jay Fiedler and he and Rick Speilman's complete bumbling of the draft and free agency processes. They completely whiffed on almost every draft choice, including Jamar Fletcher, Eddie Moore, Wade Smith, Taylor Whitley, etc. and made horrible free agent signings. When they could have ponied up or pulled the trigger for guys like Olin Kruetz or Matt Hasselbeck, they couldn't pull the trigger.

Then Saban came in and insisted on bringing in old vets on D like Kevin Carter, Holliday, Tebucky Jones, etc. Most of his signings were at least decent, but they just prolonged the inevitable. The team should have been more or less blown up when he took over, but he is too egomaniacal to go through the losing seasons that would have been necessary to undertake a complete rebuild.

I really wish Patrick Willis (or even Amobi Okoye) would have been the pick back in April, but I digress. Whatever happens, I just really hope that Mueller and Cameron don't screw up the draft and free agency too badly. It is looking like signing Joey Porter was a bad move (which I thought at the time anyway) and the jury is still out on Teddy Ginn. He isn't looking like anything special yet, but he has barely been given a chance. He appears to be gaining confidence each week with his returns, but he hasn't been used much at Receiver. I think it is going to take at least another two seasons before anyone can make an objective judgement on him. If Beck doesn't pan out, this team will continue to be mired in their dreck for at least the foreseeable future.

This team needs an infusion of youth so bad that it isn't even funny, though. Not just youth, but good youth. Look around the league, and you see a ton of teams stocked with homegrown talent. Not on the Dolphins-not for years.

[Vandy58]

Lets home tomorrow brings in some good news!

[UFCFan]

Let's hope you can still change that thread title. Ted Guinn Jr? Come on, Chief.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Ginn***

[mmevile]

Hahaha.....I like this new title, pretty funny! :D Although, he stinks as a punt returner the few times he's there as a receiver, he has shown "some" promise. I guess we'll know better if he gets more time in that role.

Good thing the Texans have injury issues. ;)

[UFCFan]

He has actually shown more burst in the return game the last two weeks. I really noticed it compared to how tentative he was in the preseason and the first two games. The blocking on special teams is horrid and is preventing him from having a chance to bust one, but I can see his confidence growing by the game, and he is finally starting to look somewhat fast. He needs to get in games more at WR. I really figured Cameron would make more use of 3 and 4 WR sets, but it's mainly been the Chambers and Booker show at WR so far, with Hagan usually being the #3. Ginn, even if not being the primary target on plays, should be able to at least use his deep speed to clear out the underneath routes or just be a decoy so defenses have to stay a little more honest. I would also like to see him in the slot on some drags and stuff.

[Vandy58]

Let's hope you can still change that thread title. Ted Guinn Jr? Come on, Chief.

I fat fingered the u and I ment it as a joke, I cannot do rolleyes in titles!

[mmevile]

Yeah, I know.......0-5. :(
Trent Green goes down -- did anyone here actually cheered (just a little)? I wouldn't complain if they sit him out so he doesn't reach that clause in his contract that if he starts 70% of the games, the Chiefs get a 2nd rnd vs. a 4th rnd. ;) Lemon did well, I would imagine that a week's worth of practice knowing he's starting next week will work wonders for him & return him to the form he had back in preseason. Ginn gets used a little more....no down the field plays though?!? Brown is getting dependable & we were in the game throughout & only lost because of 3 unlikely 50+ fieldgoals.
So, I think it's somewhat of an improvement -- what do you guys think?

[RickyWilliams34]

Trent Green going down was a blessing in disguise. I never want anybody to get injured (except Tom Brady), but it's for the better of the team. Now Lemon will get the starts at least through the 10th game I would think. Then if he is performing badly Beck will get the call and the organization will be able to see if they need to go after Brohm in the draft, or if Beck is our future. Very impressed with Ronnie. Seems like he is playing with heart and he's now living up to the 2nd overall pick status. Defense played better than normal, Andre Johnson and Green were out so I don't know what to take from that. This defense couldn't possibly be worse in the clutch though. If Houston needed 13 yards they get 15, if Houston needed 3 yards they get 4. The defense made a nice goal line stand in the first quarter but as I just said they can't perform in the clutch so they let Houston score on 4th down. I'm very excited to see what Lemon can do, and eventually Beck way later i nthe season if Cleo stumbles.

[UFCFan]

When I saw Green down motionless on the ground, I thought right then and there that his career was over. It's looking like that may not be the case now, but part of me couldn't help but think it was a blessing in disguise for the team. They surely aren't going anywhere this year, and honestly, I really don't know how long Cameron would have waited to go to Lemon and maybe Beck out of loyalty to Trent. Now his hand is forced.

Lemon didn't look great, but he did good considering he got very limited snaps in practice all week, and I will say that he at least brings the threat of passing the ball downfield, something Green simply doesn't anymore. More than anything, I just hope Beck gets into action for at least 4 or 5 starts this season. They really need to do a serious lengthy evaluation on him, as I said last week, to determine if they need to go after another QB in the draft. On one hand, it is a bit silly to suggest drafting another QB so soon with a high pick after taking Beck with a 2nd rounder last year. On the other, this team's QB situation has been completely laughable for almost 10 years now, so if they are going to have a high pick and a potential franchise QB is sitting there for the picking, it has to be seriously entertained. You never know when the next chance you have to pick up a potential great QB will be.

I thought the defense played inspired football today, at least the front 7. They played with a chip on their shoulder, and Zach Thomas looked great out there for his first game back. Rodrique Wright played very well, and JT got it going a bit. That said, the secondary was weak, and downright brutal on that final drive, and the defense overall still cannot stop anyone when it matters-on the ground or the air. They couldn't get any kind of pass rush on Schaub on that final drive either. It was so disheartening to see them come away with nothing when they had great field position and not a ton of clock left, and then punt it and down it inside the 10, only to get passed on at will and have the Texans march right down the field in a minute and a half or less.

The Dolphins just really can't catch much of a break right now. Today, they win the turnover battle, and Kris Brown all of a sudden can't miss a kick from anywhere on the field. Did any of you doubt that the game winning 57 yarder wasn't going through the uprights? It would have been good from 62 yards. That's just the way it's going right now.

Ginn played well today, too. He had a very nice return early on in which he finally showed the kind of burst he displayed at Ohio State. He was one little move from taking it to the house. He had a few other good returns too, and his 37 yard catch and run was very nice, too. It's about time they get him involved in the passing game. Having Lemon at QB should help with that, too, but Lemon in could also mean that Chris Chambers' numbers go way down. He was invisible today except for one catch for a first down that I recall.

Ronnie had another great game, and could have had even more yards. Something that really pissed me off was the playcalling. On two or three straight possessions, I think in the 2nd or 3rd quarter, they would run on first down for a minimal gain, then pass on 2nd and invariably not complete it. Then they would be in 3rd and long situations and have to punt after that. I think it happened on at least 3 straight offensive possessions. Why not try a higher percentage pass play on 2nd down? Why not pass on 1st and then come back with the run on 2nd? I didn't really understand the playcalling on those sequences, and all it seemed to serve to do was take the ball out of the hands of the offense's best playmaker right now.

[RickyWilliams34]

I completely agree with what you say about the playcalling. The way the pass and run plays are called it seems they don't give the offense a chance to go put up some points. With Ronnie running the way he is, how is he not getting 20-25 carries a game. He is their offense but he doesn't get the ball enough. Cam Cameron isn't the offensive mastermind he was made out to be.Something that really pissed me off was the playcalling. On two or three straight possessions, I think in the 2nd or 3rd quarter, they would run on first down for a minimal gain, then pass on 2nd and invariably not complete it. Then they would be in 3rd and long situations and have to punt after that. I think it happened on at least 3 straight offensive possessions. Why not try a higher percentage pass play on 2nd down? Why not pass on 1st and then come back with the run on 2nd? I didn't really understand the playcalling on those sequences, and all it seemed to serve to do was take the ball out of the hands of the offense's best playmaker right now.

[UFCFan]

I should have expanded on that a bit in my last post, but it was already long enough lol. Here is the thing. The Texans actually made good adjustments at halftime and were able to contain Ronnie better in the 2nd half. However, he was still by far the Dolphins' best option. I will take him running for 2 yards a carry for a few in a row with the chance for him to bust a 10-25 yarder at any moment over putting the game on the shoulders of a backup QB who didn't get any significant reps in practice all week and was clearly not mentally prepared to play.

That said, he did have a few nice moments in the game, and wasn't horrible. I can't put it all on Cleo, but at the same time, Cam Cameron didn't do him any favors. Here is what grinded my gears the most, though:

At the end of the game before they chose to punt the ball, they had excellent field position and time was ticking off the clock. Cameron really should have figured out what his plan was right then and there and gone with it. Booker got flagged for PI which negated a nice gain from Justin Peele which almost would have iced the game for Miami. Then, it got to where it was 2nd down, and Cameron calls the 2 straight pass plays, both of which fell incomplete. The Texans were bringing blitzers on every play at that point, so a screen pass to Brown would have been nice. Instead, the two incomplete passes end up taking like 5 seconds at most of the clock down, and then he is faced with 4th and 9 in no man's land. If Cam had thought it out better, the smart move would have been to run on 2nd and 3rd down. Brown may not have gotten a first down, but it surely would have gotten them into closer FG range, and at worst would have ran down the clock to the point where the Texans weren't able to drive it down the field and get into a position to win the game in regulation. They would have possibly had a little time, say 40 seconds at most, but they also would have had to burn one or two of their timeouts had Miami ran the ball on those 2nd and 3rd down plays.

Cameron to me just seems to be in over his head a bit when it comes to clock management and play calling in crucial situations.

[RickyWilliams34]

Cameron always kills drives with 2 or 3 straight pass plays that end up incompletions

[mmevile]

I agree, (in all 5 games) Cam's decisions have been questionable to say the least. It's like he took some stupid-pills during his move from San Diego to Miami.....I can't figure this out:confused:

[Goalkeeper]

This really sucks, man.

Fins are dead... and there's no help in sight. Aging defense, suspect offensive line, Chambers is done and Ginn young and a good 2-3 years away.

Brown has looked amazing, but they got an 0-5 record to show for it and wonder how long he will hold up.

[UFCFan]

How exactly is Chambers done?

[HankScorpio]

0-6 and the defense has the Most Points Allowed in the league. The Phins are officially on the clock and need to get younger and deeper on defense.

[RickyWilliams34]

Their defense is absolutely pathetic. Once again I don't like Cam's playcalling.

[Yukoner]

Well, here's to drafting first overall...

[UFCFan]

Cam's playcalling didn't bother me that much today. There were a couple of possessions where he could have called a few runs there, but they were really gouging the Browns through the air and they were down by 10 points or more. Cam does seem to get stuck in "hey its working, keep doing it" mode a bit too much, but the offense is looking very competent at times.

That said, there is still such a Jekyll and Hyde dynamic to the offense. They are still too frequently looking like complete crap at the start of games, and then they find a good rhythm and get really hot. The defense just isn't good enough to give them time to get it going. I swear, every game seems like Groundhog Day, with the opponent getting out to a lead no matter what. It's either 7-0 or 14-0 before the Dolphins get in the game.

The defense just cannot stop anyone to save their lives. The Browns could have ran it more than they did, but why do that when they could complete passes all over the field at will. Like one of the announcers said, it's like "pick your paradise" against this defense. Both the pass and run will work.

I almost can't wait to see how bad next week will be with the Pats coming to town. Brady is going to have literally all day to sit in the pocket and throw because Miami's defense still cannot generate any pass rush, and New England's protection is stellar anyway. Even if both Morris and Maroney are out, their run game and offense won't skip a beat, Kevin Faulk will put up a workmanlike 80-100 yards and Brady will have a field day, throwing a few TD passes by halftime. I don't think the Pats are gonna put up a huge number, but it will be because they have a big lead the whole time, and will be in clock rundown mode for almost the whole second half.

Oh, and one more note from today's game- how disgusting were the penalties today, especially on that one series where Hagan got flagged for offensive PI, and then they had delay of game and two false starts, all in a row? I was in utter disbelief that they somehow salvaged that drive and ended up getting 6, but that was truly ugly, as was the stupid penalty that robbed Ginn's return for a TD.

[UFCFan]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was any other year's team but this one. The Dolphins always give the Pats fits when the game is in Miami, but it was always because of the defense. Tom Brady has almost always looked average at best against them, but it's not gonna happen this time. Even as bad as the 'Fins were in '04, the defense was still championship caliber.

The Pats will be able to score any way they want against them next week. The only thing preventing the score from being in the 60's for them is that they will get out to a big lead early, and the fact that Matt Cassell could be playing QB for them by midway through the 3rd quarter.

[Vandy58]

I cannot comment on any of this. I am in disbelief. Hey maybe we will become the first team to ever go 0-16! It is possible.

[UFCFan]

How are you in disbelief in week 6? You have already seen the team lose games in every manner possible.

As lousy as they are, 0-16 just isn't going to happen. They will eak out at least 2 wins.

[footballfish34]

http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/271909.html

this guy seems to think they can go 0-16 and I agree with him.

Who are the dolphins going to beat this year??

[UFCFan]

Who are they going to beat? They still play Buffalo two times and the Jets once, for starters. Neither of those teams are any better than the Dolphins right now, regardless of their 1-5 records.

As horrific as Miami has been, and they have been putrid, they easily could have won at least 2 games so far. They can't buy any kind of break, they constantly shoot themselves in the foot, and the defense is just mindbogglingly pathetic. The D really reminds me of the ones from the early to mid 90's, who were like a sieve against both the run and pass.

Can they go 0-16? Sure, anything is possible. I don't think they will, though. In 16 games, even horrible teams have things go their way at least once. See the 2001 Carolina Panthers.

[Riddler]

LMAO...Love the updated avatar, UFCFan

BTW,
How did Lemon look?

[UFCFan]

Lemon looked like he has before- decent and bad all wrapped into one. He makes some absolutely mind numbing mistakes and stupid decisions with the ball at times, his footwork is often sloppy as hell and he throws off his back foot too much, but he'll turn around and start flinging the ball all over the place with zip and good accuracy.

Fir his first start, he wasn't horrible overall, but there were a lot of opportunities out there on the field that he couldn't take advantage of. He had Chambers open down the field deep twice, and overthrew him twice, once pretty badly when he needed to put a little air under it and instead winged it way too hard and flat.

He is nothing special at all as a QB. I don't think John Beck will do any worse at this point, but the Dolphins are wanting to play it safe right now. If they yank Lemon for Beck, and then Beck really struggles, it will be hard to go back to Lemon. I think after the bye week is the perfect time to let Beck have his shot. Lemon would be ok to keep around as a backup, but he is not the long term answer by any stretch of the imagination.

[Riddler]

Thanks for the thoughtful, informative reply. I was surprised when they traded for him from the Chargers. I thought maybe he was a project with an upside to start but it sounds more like a career back-up.

It's hard to belive the Dolphins are winless based on what I saw in DC on the opening weekend.

[RickyWilliams34]

When the Phins end up with a top 3 pick this year, I personally think they should trade back a few spots and get some extra high picks to load up on defense. WR can wait. Look where the Saints got Colston.

The week after the bye can't come soon enough. I'm ready for our mormon quarterback to play :)

[mmevile]

So.....am I kidding myself to think that we can do it against the Pats? And no, I'm not smoking something....would be nice to see Brady brought down to earth.:D

[UFCFan]

Sadly, I think you are kidding yourself. In years past I would have no problem believing it. The Dolphins have always given Brady fits, especially in Miami. That was when the defense was playing at a high level, though.

There is no pass rush at all this year, which is reason number one Brady seldomly looked like himself against them. His O Line already gives him all day to pass, and against this group, he will be able to post up a lawn chair and sip lemonade before picking a receiver to throw to. They also should be able to pick up yardage consistently on the ground. It doesn't much matter if Maroney and Morris are both out. Kevin Faulk will get enough to keep Miami honest.

One thing I will say is that I don't expect the score to be quite as high as a lot of people are thinking. I don't see the Pats putting up 60 points or anything. I think they will get out to a comfortable lead by mid 2nd quarter, unless some wacky stuff happens and the Dolphins suddenly create a bunch of turnovers. Once they put up 28 points or so to the Dolphins' likely 10, they will run the ball a ton and be in clock kill mode. I can even see them yanking Brady (and Moss) and putting Matt Cassel in.

What I really want to see is Cam Cameron going for broke with his playcalling. I hope he busts out all the gadget plays and totally opens up the deep passing game and anything else they can do. They have nothing to lose at all in this game, and if anything, the offense has shown the ability to move the ball down the field, and they do have some quick strike ability, especially with Ginn seeing more time with Chambers being traded. The offense was able to score some points fairly quickly on the Jets in week 3 and make it interesting, and they did the same to a lesser extent last week. I would love to see a shootout. That isn't a game we can win with the Pats (look at how fast they scored last week), but it would be fun to watch.

[HankScorpio]

Cameron always kills drives with 2 or 3 straight pass plays that end up incompletions

I don't know if that's better or worse than Mularkey calling 2 or 3 straight trick plays that didn't work when he was calling plays for Saban.

[HankScorpio]

How do you improve the offense after losing Chris Chambers? You convert a running back that couldn't make the team into a receiver and sign a defensive lineman from another team's practice squad. :o

http://www.miamidolphins.com/newsite/news/top_story.asp?contentID=5460

[RickyWilliams34]

28-7 soon to be 35-7. This is the worst I have seen their defense. Horrible playcalling on 1 drive too. 4 passes. first one went for 11 yards then the next 3 incompletions. Just give the ball to Ronnie!

[RickyWilliams34]

Brady 11-11 220 yards 4 TDs

So pathetic I can't believe I'm a fan

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Please rebuild, this Dolphins team is a crime against professional football.

[RickyWilliams34]

I've never seen a teams offense/defense take a role reversal so dramatically. Their defense was great last year and their offense was terrible. Now their D is the worst in the league and their offense is respectable

[pipetender]

oh my goodness

[RickyWilliams34]

Another 3 and out using 3 pass plays. Please fire Cam Cameron during halftime!

[madden821]

I cannot comment on any of this. I am in disbelief. Hey maybe we will become the first team to ever go 0-16! It is possible.


But you won't lose 26 in a row like my Bucs. :)

[RickyWilliams34]

I think Brady wants to set a new personal record 2 straight weeks

[cochese75]

Another 3 and out using 3 pass plays. Please fire Cam Cameron during halftime!

Cam??

Fire Capers!!



:spawnorb:

[RickyWilliams34]

Offensive mastermind....I think not

[RickyWilliams34]

I guess Ronnie isn't good enough. Chatman just got a carry and got -1 yards on it

[RickyWilliams34]

and now another for no gain.

[Vandy58]

I did not watch any part of this game! GARBAGE!

[Vandy58]

I did not watch any part of this game! GARBAGE!

[mmevile]

Oh, did I miss this game.......awww, too bad -- I was looking forward to this game. :rolleyes: :D

[Chugga]

Hey Vandy, how are you doing?

[UFCFan]

I am going to be so incredibly pissed off if Ronnie Brown, the one bright spot for me this season, is done for the year.

What's next? John Beck comes in and gets injured Theismann style?

[worldsfinest]

Well atleast we will get the first round draft pick.

[oldskool]

The Dolphins might actually get the 1st overall pick next year, wich might be the only positive from this year(if you could say that). But just our luck, it's looking like one of those years where there's no clear cut #1overall pick coming out of college.

[sportsnut2006]

Please Please Ronnie Brown, I hope you didnt tear your acl and are only out for a week, my # 1 fantasy back right now!!!

[mmevile]

Sorry R. Brown out for the season.

0-7 actually seems liberating imo......now we can try whatever we want on the field, what can we lose now? ;) I would imagine that now no one else in the league wants to play us.....in fear that they might be the 1st to give up a win to the worst team in the NFL. :p

[cochese75]

Offensive mastermind....I think not

ranked #9th in total scoring(156 pts)....#29th LAST YEAR(260 pts)
ranked #12th in point per game(22.3).....#29th LAST YEAR(16.3)

Pretty good for 7 games into the season.


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[mikehawk85]

And with the first pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, The Miami Dolphins select............

[mmevile]

And with the first pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, The Miami Dolphins select.................trades the pick to the Cards for the rights to Kurt Warner! :eek: :p

[HankScorpio]

And with the first pick in the 2008 NFL Draft, The Miami Dolphins select............

If they knew what they were doing in the front office, it'll be Glenn Dorsey. However, they don't know what they're doing in the front office and it's going to be somebody else.

[RickyWilliams34]

This team is in big trouble. They need more than a defensive tackle. If they end up with the first pick, they should trade back a few spots for that pick, a 2nd rounder, and maybe a starting playerIf they knew what they were doing in the front office, it'll be Glenn Dorsey. However, they don't know what they're doing in the front office and it's going to be somebody else.

[mikehawk85]

.....trades the pick to the Cards for the rights to Kurt Warner! :eek: :p

That is actually a possibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins did something that stupid. Anyway, is there any word on Ricky Williams? Since Ronnie Brown is hurt and Williams is seeking reinstatement it may not actually be a bad idea to let him play for the rest of this season. If he does well then either keep him and have the 2 RB system or trade him at the end of the season and try and get some valuable draft picks for him.

[cochese75]

If they knew what they were doing in the front office, it'll be Glenn Dorsey. However, they don't know what they're doing in the front office and it's going to be somebody else.

um hello we drafted Satele so someone knows a little bit of what they are doing



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[RickyWilliams34]

The Dolphins will never get a good pick for Ricky no matter what he did/does on the field. He is too risky to give up a good pick. To answer your question though, the NFL still has about a month in which they can decide to let Ricky back or not.That is actually a possibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins did something that stupid. Anyway, is there any word on Ricky Williams? Since Ronnie Brown is hurt and Williams is seeking reinstatement it may not actually be a bad idea to let him play for the rest of this season. If he does well then either keep him and have the 2 RB system or trade him at the end of the season and try and get some valuable draft picks for him.

[mikehawk85]

The Dolphins will never get a good pick for Ricky no matter what he did/does on the field. He is too risky to give up a good pick. To answer your question though, the NFL still has about a month in which they can decide to let Ricky back or not.

They may not get a 1st round pick, but maybe a 2nd. I'm sure there would be a team that would take him.

[RickyWilliams34]

I'd say 5th rounder at best. Remember it's not based on his talent. There is no question he has it, however he is one joint away from being permanently out of footballThey may not get a 1st round pick, but maybe a 2nd. I'm sure there would be a team that would take him.

[HankScorpio]

um hello we drafted Satele so someone knows a little bit of what they are doing



:spawnorb:

Which is offset by reaching for Ted Ginn at Nine. Then two rounds later, they drafted Lorenzo Booker who couldn't play his way off the practice squad as a RB and got moved to wideout after the Chambers trade. Satele was a great pick though.

[mmevile]

I think there's still a demand for Ricky no matter what.....I know the local stations were thinking the Bucs since they need his help right now & would prob be desperate enough to give draft picks that other teams won't part with.
That is actually a possibility. I wouldn't be surprised if the Dolphins did something that stupid. Anyway, is there any word on Ricky Williams? Since Ronnie Brown is hurt and Williams is seeking reinstatement it may not actually be a bad idea to let him play for the rest of this season. If he does well then either keep him and have the 2 RB system or trade him at the end of the season and try and get some valuable draft picks for him.

[mmevile]

I just want to update everyone that our power ranking location is still secure at 32 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/powerranking?season=2007&week=8)....no change -- that is all. :D

[RickyWilliams34]

With the season over I sadly have to root for the #1 pick. I do want to see a win or two when Beck is playing though to show that he is our quarterback. #1 pick could be some good trade bait this year with players such as Brohm, McFadden, and Dorsey.

[mmevile]

Zach's mercedez got rear-ended after the game w/ the Pats & now he's having health issues & will not make it to London. When it rains, it's a cat. 5 hurricane....:(

[mmevile]

Since my orig costume fell through, I will be going as a Fins Fan this Halloween. :)

[Vandy58]

Hey Vandy, how are you doing?

Just wonderful! Hey I will be in Canada on our Birthday so Happy B day chugga!

THIS JUST IN, WE STILL SUCK~!

[mmevile]

Even the grass is now conspiring against us......because of the slicker grass (made for soccer), the last kick just went sliding into out of bounds rather than bumping it up in the air. :(

[Ghost of AA62]

Brian Brohm would save the Dolphins...

[cochese75]

Brian Brohm would save the Dolphins...

right :rolleyes:




:spawnorb:

[Chugga]

Just wonderful! Hey I will be in Canada on our Birthday so Happy B day chugga!

THIS JUST IN, WE STILL SUCK~!

Happy birthday to you too. Just had to drop into this thread and see how you were doing with the state the dolpins are in right now. This week 10 meeting of ours could be fairly interesting.

[mmevile]

There was a running joke in the local radio stations when we were 0-4 of who will win 1st: the Dolphins or the Heat? At first most people laughed but no one "truly" believed it & just dismissed it as a joke. BUT NOW? Sadly, (since the start of the NBA is almost here) this is looking less & less of a joke. :eek: :(

[HankScorpio]

There was a running joke in the local radio stations when we were 0-4 of who will win 1st: the Dolphins or the Heat? At first most people laughed but no one "truly" believed it & just dismissed it as a joke. BUT NOW? Sadly, (since the start of the NBA is almost here) this is looking less & less of a joke. :eek: :(

And the Heat will post more wins in the first week of their season than the Phins will for their whole season.

[Vandy58]

Happy birthday to you too. Just had to drop into this thread and see how you were doing with the state the dolpins are in right now. This week 10 meeting of ours could be fairly interesting.

It will be a blast. I am in Rochester NY right now sporting my fins hat! Kind of funny I get a lot of looks and a lot of people talking crap! I am sure you guys will win!@

[Vandy58]

Great news no loss this week

[RickyWilliams34]

If Beck gets named the starter, I see the first win next week.

[Vandy58]

If Beck gets named the starter, I see the first win next week.

I agree 100%

[mmevile]

Dolphins winless....will play Buffalo at 1pm.
Heat winless....will play New York at 6pm.

.....and the race is on, who will hit the "W" column first?? :D

[Vandy58]

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

[worldsfinest]

Just think we're going for the first round pick.We are on the clock.

[Vandy58]

They will screw that up!

[RickyWilliams34]

2 Ginn returns for touchdowns nullified this year. Do his teammates not want him to be successful?

[Chugga]

Where are my boys cochese and vandy at??? Generally this is the time where I trash talk but ehh the game sucked entirely too much to really put any effort into it. I'll be waiting for week 14.

[cochese75]

Where are my boys cochese and vandy at??? Generally this is the time where I trash talk but ehh the game sucked entirely too much to really put any effort into it. I'll be waiting for week 14.

eh i know we had you worried. :D



:spawnorb:

[rugbyplayer11]

so me and me and my dad talk about the dolphins a lot, I tell him that if Beck starts against a team that is beatable (Jets, Bills) he will win the game. My dad says that there is a reason he is not playing b/c the coaches to not see enough at practice so why would they play him.

what do you guys think. Is Beck better than Lemon. Do you think he is ready

[UFCFan]

I think Beck can and should easily be better than Lemon- probably just not yet, though.

He obviously hasn't overwhelmed Cameron enough for him to feel comfortable starting him yet. Keep in mind that Beck has only had this last week where he got a lot of reps in practice. Apparently, the game hasn't slowed down 100% for him yet.

Cameron is no idiot, either. He is fully aware that his tenure in Miami may well sink or swim depending on what happens with Beck. He knows that the fans are chomping at the bit to see him play, but he also knows that if he puts him in there now and he looks like total crap, then that will just be the cherry on top of the disgusting sundae that is this 2007 season. I think either way, Lemon will be getting maybe two more starts, and then they will have to see what Beck's got. It is imperative that he gets a lengthy enough evaluation so they will know what to do in next year's draft.

[mmevile]

so me and me and my dad talk about the dolphins a lot, I tell him that if Beck starts against a team that is beatable (Jets, Bills) he will win the game. My dad says that there is a reason he is not playing b/c the coaches to not see enough at practice so why would they play him.

what do you guys think. Is Beck better than Lemon. Do you think he is ready
Your dad's a smart, logical guy. As a fan it's easy to say let's put someone new when we're not getting the desired results.....but he's right, if this guy is so good (now) then I'm sure Cam would put him in a heartbeat (ever heard of Sage ;) ). BUT, I remember Pats QB Brady was only placed on the rotation because Bledsoe was hurt.....clearly, he didn't show enough to warrant a coach to put him over the starter. Of course, Lemon is no Bledsoe......so who really knows :confused:

BTW, since the Rams & neigboring proteam Miami Heat won today.....the Fins sit alone in the basement from this point forward. :(

[rugbyplayer11]

Your dad's a smart, logical guy. As a fan it's easy to say let's put someone new when we're not getting the desired results.....but he's right, if this guy is so good (now) then I'm sure Cam would put him in a heartbeat (ever heard of Sage ;) ). BUT, I remember Pats QB Brady was only placed on the rotation because Bledsoe was hurt.....clearly, he didn't show enough to warrant a coach to put him over the starter. Of course, Lemon is no Bledsoe......so who really knows :confused:

BTW, since the Rams & neigboring proteam Miami Heat won today.....the Fins sit alone in the basement from this point forward. :(
and i try to tell hims that practice is not a game situation. Beck might not show a lot at practice, but he might show more in a game. I can understand not starting him yet, but at least put him in some even if it is the forth quarter to see what he has.

[Chugga]

eh i know we had you worried. :D



:spawnorb:

Ehh yeah I'd say you had me worried until there was no time left on the clock. The game was just so ugly. Granted I'll take a win over the Dolphins however I can get it because they always feel extra special, todays game just felt like it should have gone a little smoother. I was really hoping today would be the day that Losman got his stuff together and seperated himself from the mediocrity to downright awful play we've had at QB this entire year but no such luck.

I'm just relieved we won, I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight if we were the first team to let you guys off the hook this year. Still makes me nervous about week 14, I'm honestly hoping you guys pick up a W or 2 by then.

[mmevile]

Everyone got their wish......the old man's starting this week (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3109875). ;)

Oh, also....Ricky's back but will he be a Fins? :confused:

[Thrall]

35 years later...

[Vandy58]

thank god! He needs the chance

[Vandy58]

so ask yourself this, do we take Rickey back?

[cochese75]

so ask yourself this, do we take Rickey back?

I say yes.
Work his value up and then trade him or let him back up Ronnie



:spawnorb:

[Ben Vance]

so ask yourself this, do we take Rickey back?
You should... If he is serious about playing and Ronnie can stay healthy you all would have a scary 1-2 punch next year, that's for sure.

[Vandy58]

I agree we can all remember the season before all of this crap happened!

[UFCFan]

I want the whole Ricky Williams saga to be put to bed, frankly. It is what's best for the franchise. I have questions as to how good he can even be anymore. He is 2 years removed from 2005, and he looked like ass in the CFL. Ricky has a ton of natural talent, and he would be at least serviceable, but I think they need to move on. Chatman and Ronnie are fine as a 1-2 punch.

The only way I would want them to play him is to try and build up a little trade value.

[HankScorpio]

With Brown out for the year and the winless record, I don't see the harm in letting him come back and get some playing time. If nothing else, they can build up his trade value and pick up an extra draft pick.

[logain99]

With Brown out for the year and the winless record, I don't see the harm in letting him come back and get some playing time. If nothing else, they can build up his trade value and pick up an extra draft pick.

Well, you definitely don't have anything to lose:D

[Goalkeeper]

I say take him back... the team needs him provided he has his **** together.

[UFCFan]

I say take him back... the team needs him provided he has his **** together.

Needs him for what? To possibly go 2-14 instead of 1-15? It isn't like he is going to be on the team next year. They need to just cut bait with him. No more living in the past.

[cochese75]

Needs him for what? To possibly go 2-14 instead of 1-15? It isn't like he is going to be on the team next year. They need to just cut bait with him. No more living in the past.

to get in the endzone :D




:spawnorb:

[Joe Bruin723]

Sign the guy! Brown. Just revamp things, and go down with some dignity. Be a new m***** F*****!

[UFCFan]

Sign the guy! Brown. Just revamp things, and go down with some dignity. Be a new m***** F*****!

Come again?

[gorillakram]

Im hoping the Dolphins keep Ricky.

[HankScorpio]

He's officially back on the team:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3111806

[RickyWilliams34]

A lot of you guys may think I'm crazy, but I see our first win coming sunday.

[UFCFan]

A lot of you guys may think I'm crazy, but I see our first win coming sunday.

I don't see it happening. Philly isn't a juggernaut anymore by any means, but playing on the road there with a rookie QB making his first start is a tall order. Jim Johnson excels at devising blitz schemes that could keep Beck frustrated all game long. I also think Brian Westbrook could have a really big game. The Dolphins D has stepped it up a bit playing against the run and look a bit more energetic than they did earlier in the season, but Westbrook is a special player.

I think it will be something like 28-17 Philly, but I am really looking forward to seeing Beck play.

[crushercreel]

Good luck against Philly Dolphins.....I will be pulling for you this week. I dont want to see your team getting the first pick in the draft. Not because I hate the Dolphins but because I would hate to see so many of you commit suicide when with the first overall pick you take an injury prone kick-returner. Oh and good luck with ricky dont hold his drug past against him. I mean atleast hes not mercury morris who spent three years in jail for traficking cocaine. And is now legally insane.

[mmevile]

I mean atleast hes not mercury morris who spent three years in jail for traficking cocaine. And is now legally insane.Don't say that when you're in his neighborhood, say that when you're in his street. :p Gotta love that guy. :D

I for one agree w/ UFC.....Ricky is past history, leave it in the past. Yeah, it might make the team a tad better to have him, but really you still stand the chance of history repeating itself & this guy bails out again because the wind moves him (or in his case the smoke). Think of it this way, it's kinda like going out w/ that hot chick that always disappoints you in the end....but you keep going back to her because she increases your "appeal" if she's by your side. It's time to take the plunge & lead a new life. ;)

[Joe Bruin723]

Come again?

I was quoting Leon from Curb Your Enthusiasm. You gotta change things up sometimes.

[RickyWilliams34]

Best show on television. Arguably the best character in a sitcom :p I was quoting Leon from Curb Your Enthusiasm. You gotta change things up sometimes.

[Joe Bruin723]

Best show on television. Arguably the best character in a sitcom :p

Ditto!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik79BGmRrOU
Joey Pep-!

[logain99]

A lot of you guys may think I'm crazy, but I see our first win coming sunday.

You been smokin with Ricky?

[mmevile]

The Beck era officially starts today! **crosses fingers & hopes this is not a repeat of the Sage episode** :D
Oh, also.....open note to Bills: pls beat the Pats today. ;)

[cochese75]

You been smokin with Ricky?

you must be if you think youre a good team




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[mmevile]

2 yrds to go for a TD w/ 4 tries = 0 pts. Wow, I hate this year.....btw good job, Cam. :mad:

[Vandy58]

Wow Cam is a ******, you get a time out and that is the play you choose? Good job give them yards and lose the ball! Holy **** we just suck! Go Bills (tonight only)

[Variant Dude]

So much for that 1st win today. Looking at the schedule there's really only 1 game I can see the Dolphins having a decent shot at winning the rest of the way and that's against the Jets. Otherwise, it's gonna take a big upset to win. I give the Dolphins credit for hanging around but they just have nothing at all on offense. I guess that happens when you lose your RB and top WR,though.

[madden821]

Not only did my Bucs go 0-14.. they went 0-26.. you guys have a LONG way to go to be that bad.

[mmevile]

One observation about Beck's performance: he likes throwing those aggressive passes....I was suprised he didn't get picked off.

[trevisw513]

I resent that comment about my BUCS, even thought they were bad back in '76...

[chucknorris666]

Too bad my Pats have the 49ers' 1st round round pick instead of the Dolphins. Seriously, its not that bad let Beck play the rest of the year and see what he's got before you guys get the #1 pick.

[ImessedwithTexas]

I give the Dolphins credit for hanging around but they just have nothing at all on offense. I guess that happens when you lose your RB and top WR,though.
The Dolphins have far more going wrong for the team than just that.

[Variant Dude]

Actually, that's a big part of what is wrong w/ the Phins this year.They have lost a lot of close games and the D hasn't been that bad.They just don't have anything that scares anyone offensively.The Dolphins have far more going wrong for the team than just that.

[ImessedwithTexas]

Actually, that's a big part of what is wrong w/ the Phins this year.They have lost a lot of close games and the D hasn't been that bad.They just don't have anything that scares anyone offensively.
I'm not attacking or anything but the offense is obviously a problem. Along with the Defense, Coaching staff and front office. I haven't seen a bigger mess of a team in the 20 years I've been watching the NFL.

I hope things get better for you guys, I miss the Marino days.

[Variant Dude]

I'm not a Dolphins fan at all. Believe me, you're not offending me at all. LOL.Obviously, when you're 0-10you have more than 1 issue. The biggest 1 seems to be they don't have anyone on offense that scares anyone right now.Off from last years team are Chambers,Welker, and Brown.Probably their 3 most productive players.I'm not attacking or anything but the offense is obviously a problem. Along with the Defense, Coaching staff and front office. I haven't seen a bigger mess of a team in the 20 years I've been watching the NFL.

I hope things get better for you guys, I miss the Marino days.

[ImessedwithTexas]

I'm not a Dolphins fan at all. Believe me, you're not offending me at all. LOL.Obviously, when you're 0-10you have more than 1 issue. The biggest 1 seems to be they don't have anyone on offense that scares anyone right now.Off from last years team are Chambers,Welker, and Brown.Probably their 3 most productive players.
Very true, but who's responsible for the loss of those key players? Play calling injured Brown and the front office did the rest. Whoever owns them needs to blow the management up and start over.

[madden821]

I resent that comment about my BUCS, even thought they were bad back in '76...

I embrace my teams 0-26 start and just how bad they were. It makes the 1979 season when they went to the NFC Championship game the most impressive seasons any 4th year team has ever had and its a record that nobody else will ever touch.

[Variant Dude]

You're right.They have made some very questionable decisions.I'm not saying that the front office or the coaching is blameless because they made a lot of those decisions.Very true, but who's responsible for the loss of those key players? Play calling injured Brown and the front office did the rest. Whoever owns them needs to blow the management up and start over.

[HankScorpio]

Looks like Ricky may start on Monday:

http://dolphinsindepth.blogspot.com/2007/11/chatman-looks-worse-zach-likely-out-for.html

[mmevile]

Is Ricky confirmed for today?

[mmevile]

So much for Ricky helping the Fins this year.....he's injured (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-1127ricky,0,6043471.story?coll=sofla_tab01_layout).
Hmmm, anyone wanna take bets on the next bad thing to happen? :(

[RickyWilliams34]

I actually liked what I saw last night. Except for the injuries of course. Will Allen was incredibly good. If Porter had played for the other 31 teams in the league, maybe he would have had a good season. John Beck looked very poised and accurate, especially with bad weather as a factor. We are screwed if Cobbs is our starting runningback for any games.

[Joe Bruin723]

OH GOD! Things were looking up when Ricky got that 3rd and 4. Then Cameron Cameron ran him on the outside the very next play. Then he just kept giving it to a guy that hasn't done ANYTHING for years!

6 carries may not seem like a lot, but they all came within a very close proximity.

Then he gets trampled, and out for the season. Even though Ricky could play they shouldn't have given him the ball so much on a FIELD like that. At least throw a ball to Ricky in the open field.

STUPID! Just idiotic. THEN, when Feely actually has decent grass to kick off of we go for it on 4th and long.

Marty must have been freaking carrying the Chargers offense last year because this twit sure wasn't.

[mmevile]

Being where the Chargers are this year & Cam coming up w/ the weirdest choice selections for the fins.....yeah, I think everyone's realizing now the genius that is Marty ball. :DMarty must have been freaking carrying the Chargers offense last year because this twit sure wasn't.

[Thrall]

Hmmm, anyone wanna take bets on the next bad thing to happen? :(
Sure, how about: Porter sprains his ankle and misses the rest of the season, or the whole team gets staph infections in their armpits or knees and miss the rest of the season...

[worldsfinest]

So what College team has the best QB going into the Draft next year.

[RickyWilliams34]

Doesn't matter. The Dolphins don't need a QB.So what College team has the best QB going into the Draft next year.

[worldsfinest]

Doesn't matter. The Dolphins don't need a QB.

yeah.we need an entire team.

[ChargerChris]

you'll be seeing McFadden in a Phins uni next season

[HankScorpio]

you'll be seeing McFadden in a Phins uni next season
Only if it's a draft-and-trade deal like Eli with your Chargers.

[mmevile]

Doesn't matter. The Dolphins don't need a QB.True, but if the top choice in the draft is a qb....I say take him & start shopping him around for draft picks. ;)

[Miami Mike]

I was just reading how Zach was put on IR and I got to thinking. Well if the season keeps going the way it is with all the injuries, everyone will have a chance to get evaluated for the next season. They should have a pretty good grasp on who they should keep and let go. It seems like one long preseason to me.

During the offseason they should try to get as many draft picks as possible. Trade Taylor and Thomas. Try to get something for them.

By the end of the season, they should know enough if Beck is going to be the long term answer.

The magic number is 2. Two more losses and the #1 pick is ours. WOOOO :-P

[Vandy58]

so um yeah, see you guys and the next FA meeting

"Hello my name is Mike and I am a Fins fan"

"Hi Mike"

"It has been 16 weeks since our last win"

We have no won a game since 12/10/2006

[Thrall]

Can't win them all...;)

[Vandy58]

Can't win them all...;)

Well in 72 we did but right now I am just focused on one game!:(

[RickyWilliams34]

Might as well talk about the draft. Who do you guys want the Phins to take? I would like McFadden assuming he comes out so we can actually strike some fear into opposing defenses with an insane running attack of Brown and McFadden. Dorsey would definitely help but I think the main problem right now is that there is nothing on the offense that will scare teams. A 1-2 punch of Brown/McFadden can be better than Taylor/Peterson in Minnesota.

[HankScorpio]

Might as well talk about the draft. Who do you guys want the Phins to take? I would like McFadden assuming he comes out so we can actually strike some fear into opposing defenses with an insane running attack of Brown and McFadden. Dorsey would definitely help but I think the main problem right now is that there is nothing on the offense that will scare teams. A 1-2 punch of Brown/McFadden can be better than Taylor/Peterson in Minnesota.
As great as McFadden will be in the NFL, the Dolphins have to get younger on defense and Dorsey has to be the pick.

[Thrall]

Well in 72 we did but right now I am just focused on one game!:(
Hence the ;).



:D

[UFCFan]

Might as well talk about the draft. Who do you guys want the Phins to take? I would like McFadden assuming he comes out so we can actually strike some fear into opposing defenses with an insane running attack of Brown and McFadden. Dorsey would definitely help but I think the main problem right now is that there is nothing on the offense that will scare teams. A 1-2 punch of Brown/McFadden can be better than Taylor/Peterson in Minnesota.

Even though it would be at the very top of the draft, taking McFadden would be more of a luxury pick, not something a team that is in dire need of rebuilding should do. McFadden has a chance to be a great NFL player, but I don't think the Dolphins can afford to have so much money tied up at the RB position. Two top 5 picks in 4 years on RB's isn't the wisest move, even with Ronnie Brown being somewhat of a question mark, health-wise.

In a perfect world, Miami is able to make a trade with a team that covets McFadden. I would love to see them move down to somewhere in the 8-15 range and also pick up additional picks, either this year or next. They have to get more talent on the roster, on both sides of the ball.

They really need to get younger on defense, but they will have money to spend in free agency, so it isn't out of the realm of possibility that they bring in someone like Asante Samuel and/or Albert Haynesworth. If they signed Haynesworth, then Dorsey is not as big of a need, and they would have flexibility to take BPA or possibly move down without demanding such a bounty of picks. I do not think they should draft defense with the first pick no matter what, though. They need to take the best player available, if they can. That is likely going to be McFadden, though, so it creates a quandary.

A lot of it really depends on what happens with Cameron and Mueller. If they stay, I wouldn't be totally shocked if they took McFadden, even if it isn't the smartest move, simply because they both covet speedy game changer types. If they are both shown the door, then anything is possible, even drafting Matt Ryan or Brohm.

[RickyWilliams34]

I agree with trading back. I just was saying take McFadden assuming no trades are made. I would really like to see Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas traded for say a 2nd rounder for Taylor and a 3rd or 4th for Thomas. That way there could be a chance of possibly landing Talib with the 1st pick in the 2nd round (if he falls to that point), and still have a 2nd rounder left. If they were to trade back, maybe they could make a trade to the Jets for Vilma, and the 3rd pick assuming that's where the Jets stay. But maybe that isn't enough in return if they would be getting McFadden. So who knows?

[UFCFan]

I think Taylor for sure is going to get traded, probably for a 2nd rounder-possibly even a 3rd. I don't think Zach is going anywhere, though. He is too old to have a lot of trade value, and it would be a wise PR move to keep him and let him finish out his career here. I am sure he will asked to take a pay cut, though, and if he balks, I guess he could be shown the door. That would be a horrible situation for the franchise, though. Coming off of a possible 0-16 season, they trade one of their two most beloved players and then cut the other. Whatever true fans were left might revolt.

Also, if your scenario played out, they would then have 3 second round picks- their own, the one for Taylor, and the one they got from SD for Chambers. That first 2nd rounder will also amount to a late 1st rounder, too, since New England has to forfeit their pick. They really have a great chance to add a lot of talent in this draft. Now let's just hope they don't crap the bed like usual.

[RickyWilliams34]

Completely forgot about the Chambers 2nd rounder. I know that may be hard to believe considering he was our best WR but it seems like it happened a while ago. Good point about having a late 1st rounder too with New England getting their pick taken away. I know what you're saying about Thomas. But say they talk to him privately and he doesn't want to take a paycut, do you think they could trade both Taylor and Thomas to one team for a early 2nd round pick or a very late 1st rounder? Just a thought. I think the early 2nd rounder is a possiblility,

[Vandy58]

This might be the homer in me but keep Taylor and Thomas. We need a much better secondary, trade porter, let traylor retire, roth retire, draft a young d line. But we also need o-line, first pick, o-line, two picks in second d line and possibly secondary. My .02

[mmevile]

I'm curious to see how Beck performs after his horrendous game against the Jets. I'm not exactly sure if this is the quarterback of the future.....sure he doesn't make a lot of mistakes -- but he doesn't make a lot of plays either :confused: I realize he doesn't have a lot of help....but nor did Cleo. Hopefully Cam doesn't handcuff him these last games.....and we can see his whole arsenal of skills. It's utterly ridiculous that we're this conservative esp. this late of the season. How about some down the field plays Cam......what are you worried about going winless this season? :rolleyes:

[HankScorpio]

I'm curious to see how Beck performs after his horrendous game against the Jets. I'm not exactly sure if this is the quarterback of the future.....sure he doesn't make a lot of mistakes -- but he doesn't make a lot of plays either :confused: I realize he doesn't have a lot of help....but nor did Cleo. Hopefully Cam doesn't handcuff him these last games.....and we can see his whole arsenal of skills. It's utterly ridiculous that we're this conservative esp. this late of the season. How about some down the field plays Cam......what are you worried about going winless this season? :rolleyes:
So far I see lot of Jay Fiedler in Beck. Last week's game was an abberation and not indicitave of the QB he is. He'll be good enough to be the starter as long as they have a running game that can carry the load.

[UFCFan]

Completely forgot about the Chambers 2nd rounder. I know that may be hard to believe considering he was our best WR but it seems like it happened a while ago. Good point about having a late 1st rounder too with New England getting their pick taken away. I know what you're saying about Thomas. But say they talk to him privately and he doesn't want to take a paycut, do you think they could trade both Taylor and Thomas to one team for a early 2nd round pick or a very late 1st rounder? Just a thought. I think the early 2nd rounder is a possiblility,

No. There isn't a team out there that would make that trade for both of them. Not that they aren't worth it, but they are both in the twilight of their careers, especially Zach. No team is going to take on two very large salaries like that. Taylor would be worth it for a team that is a contender and needs a final piece, but no way on both.

Zach would get picked up very quickly by a team like the Pats if he were to get cut, but that would also entail him taking a big paycut.

[UFCFan]

This might be the homer in me but keep Taylor and Thomas. We need a much better secondary, trade porter, let traylor retire, roth retire, draft a young d line. But we also need o-line, first pick, o-line, two picks in second d line and possibly secondary. My .02

It's definitely the homer in you. The homer in me wants them both to stay here, too, but it isn't realistic. Taylor is almost a guaranteed goner but Zach could very well stay. There is also no way Porter is going anywhere. No other team in the league will take on his salary, so he is stuck in Miami until they cut him loose, which will probably be after next season. Traylor will retire, but why would Roth? He has been in the league for 3 years.

[UFCFan]

You guys are pretty funny with the Beck comments, too. Look at it for what it is. He has had 3 starts. Two of them were in very adverse conditions. He performed well in both those games despite not throwing any TD's. He made mistakes in the Jets game, and looked (gasp) like a rookie who has had two starts. Were you guys really expecting Marino or Manning right away? Their offense has taken a nosedive since Ronnie Brown went down, even though Chatman has performed admirably most of the time. The O Line has not pass protected well at all lately, and look at the receiving core. You got Ginn, who is a rookie who can't run good routes yet, Booker who is slow as hell and has clearly lost most of what made him good, and Hagan, who couldn't catch a cold. There isn't one "go to" guy for Beck.

The "reminds me of Jay Fiedler" remark makes me laugh almost more than anything else. How could you even say that after 3 games? I know you didn't mean it as a slam, necessarily, but it still doesn't make much sense. Beck really looks nothing like Fiedler. His arm is about 20 times stronger, and aside from the Jets game, where he tried to force throws to make a play, he hasn't made mistakes. If anything, he looks like Drew Brees when he first played.

Beck may or may not prove to be the answer, but it is simply ludicrous to be making assertions after 3 starts, two of which were in conditions not at all conducive to putting up good numbers. Do you guys really feel that he would still be sitting on zero TD passes still if they had played those games in good conditions against teams that didn't have a lot of exotic blitzing schemes and what not?

[HankScorpio]

He reminds me of Fiedler in the sense that he's at his best managing the game and not having to carry the load. Yes, he's got a better arm. But he's not the type of QB that's going to singlehandedly win games.

[Vandy58]

It's definitely the homer in you. The homer in me wants them both to stay here, too, but it isn't realistic. Taylor is almost a guaranteed goner but Zach could very well stay. There is also no way Porter is going anywhere. No other team in the league will take on his salary, so he is stuck in Miami until they cut him loose, which will probably be after next season. Traylor will retire, but why would Roth? He has been in the league for 3 years.

I did not mean roth, I have no idea why I typed that

[UFCFan]

He reminds me of Fiedler in the sense that he's at his best managing the game and not having to carry the load. Yes, he's got a better arm. But he's not the type of QB that's going to singlehandedly win games.

LOL. Why don't we wait a wee bit longer to make that comparison? I don't get how you can come to that conclusion after a guy plays 3 games, two of them in conditions that almost any QB in the league would have looked like crap. What are you even basing your comparison off? The fact that Beck hasn't thrown a td pass? What QB not named Dan Marino has ever come into the league and immediately showed he could "carry the load", as you say?

[RickyWilliams34]

What do you guys think of my possible scenario of trading the #1 pick to the Jets for either the #2 or #3pick with Vilma? Too little? What are some possibly trade scenarios you guys can come up with that make sense for both teams?

[HankScorpio]

LOL. Why don't we wait a wee bit longer to make that comparison? I don't get how you can come to that conclusion after a guy plays 3 games, two of them in conditions that almost any QB in the league would have looked like crap. What are you even basing your comparison off? The fact that Beck hasn't thrown a td pass? What QB not named Dan Marino has ever come into the league and immediately showed he could "carry the load", as you say?
Fair enough.

[Goalkeeper]

Jesus, fellow Fin-Fans... give Beck a friggin' BREAK!

THREE GAMES, for Christsakes... on a HORRIBLE offense with no RB!

He's a ROOKIE!

He's played in terrible conditions twice.

He needs at LEAST a year - and probably TWO - before you start throwing dirt on the guy.

Now, LET'S GO FINS!!!

(Get that first win!!!!)

[RickyWilliams34]

Can anyone say Matt Ryan?