DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 5-5 SEASON: RUN RICKY RUN, 119 YARDS, 2 TD'S, 1 REC. TD!

[mmevile]

LOL. Why don't we wait a wee bit longer to make that comparison? I don't get how you can come to that conclusion after a guy plays 3 games, two of them in conditions that almost any QB in the league would have looked like crap. What are you even basing your comparison off? The fact that Beck hasn't thrown a td pass? What QB not named Dan Marino has ever come into the league and immediately showed he could "carry the load", as you say?Although that's true & prob unfair, realistically speaking he doesn't have a full season to "impress" upon the Fins that he's the "qb of the future" & it's not looking great since he's now replaced by Lemon in the Bills game and he has a better control over the offense (I just woke up :o ). And since there's a decision whether or not to take a qb in the draft.....those I feel are valid comments.

[Chugga]

Well Vandy, Cochese, Goalkeeper and the rest of the few, the proud, the dolphins fans. Good game, but I honestly never saw the bills scoring 38 points. I thought it was going to be a 13-10 type game, certainly not what it ended up being.

Also what the hell was up with benching Beck? I know things weren't looking good but what does Cleo Lemon accomplish in the grand scheme of things? He makes a loss look a little more respectable in a season thats been filled with nothing but losses? Beck should be getting as much time as possible going into the offseason, regular season experience is valuable for him and taking him out in a game that simply wasn't going your way and likely wasn't going to go your way anyways was just stupid to me. Reminded me very much of Mularky when he coached for us and put in a going nowhere Kelly Holcomb in hopes of saving his job over giving a younger inexperienced JP Losman a shot at picking up some playing time.

Oh well it's always a good feeling when we sweep the Dolphins, I hope you come back improved and ready to play in 2008

[badman]

can't wait for next season, this is getting painful

[RickyWilliams34]

It really is painful. I saw the Phins had a chance to get back in the game and then Evans catches a 70 yard touchdown pass and I was truely disgusted.

[madden821]

A few weeks ago I figured Tampa's 0-14 would stand, now I don't thik it will. I think its 0-16 and in their same division NE goes 16-0.

[UFCFan]

Although that's true & prob unfair, realistically speaking he doesn't have a full season to "impress" upon the Fins that he's the "qb of the future" & it's not looking great since he's now replaced by Lemon in the Bills game and he has a better control over the offense (I just woke up :o ). And since there's a decision whether or not to take a qb in the draft.....those I feel are valid comments.

Lemon should have better control over the offense. He has been in the league for like 5 years now, got starts last season, and was already familiar with the offense from when Cameron was in San Diego.

It is still too early to tell. If Cam Cameron remains the coach, I can all but guarantee they will not be taking a QB. Perhaps one in the later rounds, but definitely not early. Beck's lack of pocket awareness and presence is cause for concern, but even the most deluded and negative can't deny that the pass protection has been just atrocious.

[Vandy58]

Well Vandy, Cochese, Goalkeeper and the rest of the few, the proud, the dolphins fans. Good game, but I honestly never saw the bills scoring 38 points. I thought it was going to be a 13-10 type game, certainly not what it ended up being.

Also what the hell was up with benching Beck? I know things weren't looking good but what does Cleo Lemon accomplish in the grand scheme of things? He makes a loss look a little more respectable in a season thats been filled with nothing but losses? Beck should be getting as much time as possible going into the offseason, regular season experience is valuable for him and taking him out in a game that simply wasn't going your way and likely wasn't going to go your way anyways was just stupid to me. Reminded me very much of Mularky when he coached for us and put in a going nowhere Kelly Holcomb in hopes of saving his job over giving a younger inexperienced JP Losman a shot at picking up some playing time.

Oh well it's always a good feeling when we sweep the Dolphins, I hope you come back improved and ready to play in 2008

We should have never benched beck, stupid damn move but what move have the fins made this year that was smart?

[Vandy58]

A few weeks ago I figured Tampa's 0-14 would stand, now I don't thik it will. I think its 0-16 and in their same division NE goes 16-0.

Right now we are working on your record of 0-25 (or 26?) So look out:rolleyes::mad::(

[UFCFan]

We should have never benched beck, stupid damn move but what move have the fins made this year that was smart?

Yanking Beck reeked of Cam Cameron being desperate not to completely lose his team. Lemon gives the team the best chance to win, but win what? 1 or 2 games? At the end of the day, big woopty friggin doo. It will save the team from being a complete laughing stock, but in my peon opinion, it is more important to get Beck acclimated and try to accelerate his learning curve. I would rather they suffer more in the short term in order to be competitive quicker. Once the decision was made to go to Beck, that should have been it, barring injury.

[Vandy58]

Yanking Beck reeked of Cam Cameron being desperate not to completely lose his team. Lemon gives the team the best chance to win, but win what? 1 or 2 games? At the end of the day, big woopty friggin doo. It will save the team from being a complete laughing stock, but in my peon opinion, it is more important to get Beck acclimated and try to accelerate his learning curve. I would rather they suffer more in the short term in order to be competitive quicker. Once the decision was made to go to Beck, that should have been it, barring injury.

Agree 100%

[mmevile]

Yanking Beck reeked of Cam Cameron being desperate not to completely lose his team. Lemon gives the team the best chance to win, but win what? 1 or 2 games? At the end of the day, big woopty friggin doo. It will save the team from being a complete laughing stock, but in my peon opinion, it is more important to get Beck acclimated and try to accelerate his learning curve. I would rather they suffer more in the short term in order to be competitive quicker. Once the decision was made to go to Beck, that should have been it, barring injury.Here's the dilemna: you can go w/ Beck possibly knowing you're could never win a single game this year. The problem: that tells the existing players (ex. Jason Taylor or any other veteran) that you're not interested in winning this year.....people quit or get mad because all players always want to know that they're playing to win. That's why no matter how much they believe it or not, no coach will ever admit trying not to win a game no matter how desperate the situation is.* So if it's Lemon that they feel will give the best chance to win.....then it looks like that's where they're going. As T.Green recently said that if this hurts Beck's psychie....then he's prob not equipped to be an nfl qb longterm. Honestly, all I want this year is A win.

*this doesn't hold true w/ Dave Wannstead. ;)

[madden821]

Right now we are working on your record of 0-25 (or 26?) So look out:rolleyes::mad::(


Its 26 and if you guys hit that you will be the worst franchise ever... at least Tampa had the expansion excuse. :) I don't see the 'fins losing their first 10 next year as well so I think the Bucs are safe.

[mmevile]

I guess it's back to Lemon (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3151486).....I'm getting dizzy, I want to get off this carousel. :(

[Miami Mike]

Huizenga looking at selling team 'very, very seriously'

Posted: Friday December 14, 2007 7:49PM; Updated: Friday December 14, 2007 9:00PM
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MIAMI (AP) -- Miami Dolphins (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/dolphins) owner Wayne Huizenga is discussing the sale of his struggling franchise to two real estate developers, The Associated Press has learned.

"Wayne loves the team and he loves the community, but he's very frustrated," the person close to Huizenga, who didn't want to be identified because of the private nature of the negotiations, said Friday night.

A Dolphins spokesman said Huizenga declined to comment. Huizenga has in the past said the Dolphins were not for sale.

The Miami Herald first reported the talks.

The newspaper said Jorge Perez of Miami confirmed that he and business partner Stephen Ross, a New York builder, are talking with Huizenga about the potential deal.

"We are looking at it very, very seriously," Perez told the newspaper.

Perez is chairman and CEO of The Related Group, one of the biggest condominium builders in the country.

The Dolphins are 0-13 in their first year under coach Cam Cameron, and they're in danger of the first 0-16 season in NFL history.

The Herald said Ross denied earlier this week that he had spoken with Huizenga about a possible sale, saying he was not interested "at this point" in purchasing an NFL organization. But Perez said he and Ross have met multiple times with Huizenga, and as recently as last weekend.

Ross has been involved with sports before, including as a minority partner with the NHL's New York Islanders. In 1990, he was part of a group interested in bringing baseball to Miami.

Instead, Huizenga became founding owner of the Florida Marlins, then later sold the team. Huizenga also was the founding owner of the NHL's Florida Panthers, then sold that franchise.

Football has always been Huizenga's first love, but the Dolphins haven't been to the AFC championship game since he became sole owner in 1994. They've failed to even make the playoffs the past six years.

"It seems like 50 years," Huizenga said before this season. "I'm tired of not being in the playoffs."

Huizenga recently committed to spend about $250 million to upgrade Dolphin Stadium, which he owns. The final phase of that upgrade is to be completed by 2009.

Forbes Magazine this year valued the Dolphins at $942 million, with a revenue stream of about $215 million. The valuation makes the Dolphins the 15th-priciest NFL franchise.

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[RickyWilliams34]

Maybe if he does end up selling them, then they will actually hire a good coach. (And know how to fire one)

[Miami Mike]

Then we could get rid of Mueller :)

[Miami Mike]

Winless no longer. WOOOOO!

[RickyWilliams34]

I just went crazy when I saw that!

[Riddler]

Congrats to each and everyone of you Fin fans. Great game to get that 3 ton monkey off your backs

[UKGaz]

Need to get the title of the thread changed now :D ;)

[Vandy58]

HOLY MOTHER OF GOD WE LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK. IT WAS AS IF WE WON THE SUPERBOWL FOR ABOUT 2 MINUTES, then I came back down to earth and hey still excited and cheerfull. I still want Cameron fired but hey great job and I am glad Lemon had no turn overs.

[madden821]

YES, we stay as the only season winless team ever.

[Vandy58]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU_TyVUP0pM&eurl=http://www.faniq.com/video/Dolphins-Win-Greg-Camarillo-TD-catch-YouTube-4355,1/sports_featured

[Vandy58]

check that out

[Durstlimpbizkit]

Congrats on the win guys! I didn't want the Dolphins to be worse than the Bucs, that would have been heartbreaking.

[HankScorpio]

You've got to love the inconsistency of the Ravens.



We're still getting the first pick in the draft though.

[RavensPimp52]

Glad it made your day. Hopefully that was the final straw that broke Billicks back. Miami should swap draft picks with B-more just to show thier appreciation. j/k

[whysoserious?!]

LMAO at Baltimore...Dolphins not only deserved this win, but earned it. They should have won about 3 to 4 more. More wins next season! CONGRATS I was pulling for your team my friend. Now pull for Tennessee to gain a playoff berth!

[whysoserious?!]

Btw...that video is great, and congrats to the BUCS....the worst EVER. 0-16.

[mmevile]

OMG.....we EARNED that win BIG TIME!!!! What a craptastic decision not to go for it w/ 2 mins to go AND kick it out of bounds?!? :confused: Good job, "Dumb" Cameron.....why not give them back the ball in the 40s w/o taking any time off the clock. :rolleyes: Yet ANOTHER questionable playcalling......go figure.

...........here it is: "WHEW"!!! :D

[EDBSIP]

glad to see you guys finally win one! :)

[EDBSIP]

now we need the Pats to lose one this regular season! ;)

[UFCFan]

It's not like Cameron told him to kick it out of bounds. He wanted to keep it away from Figurs, and Feely screwed up. The kick should have been done exactly the way Baltimore kicked to the Dolphins after they tied it up.

If Cameron had let him do a regular kickoff and Figurs had ran it all the way back for a winning TD, all you guys would be calling for his head on a platter anyway. Personally, I think they should have just kicked to Figurs. I think too many teams have tried to get too cute this season by kicking away from guys like Hester. By doing that, the coach is essentially saying that they have no faith at all in their coverage unit. It was still probably the right call to keep it away from Figurs, though. It just backfired because Feely screwed it up. It actually reminded me a lot of the final game in '02 against the Pats, where Olindo Mare kicked out of bounds, which led to the Pats win and the Dolphins missing the playoffs.

I don't even care that much what happens in the last two games this season. I am just happy they got at least one win and don't have to become a punchline for years to come.

[HankScorpio]

now we need the Pats to lose one this regular season! ;)
Miami can take care of that next week.

[mmevile]

I don't even care that much what happens in the last two games this season. I am just happy they got at least one win and don't have to become a punchline for years to come.Well....there's still one more thing that needs to happen for this season & yes -- it would be complete. ;)

[Thrall]

The Dolphins are THAT bad they can't even maintain a winless streak?

I was hoping for a double streak-ender next week during the Patriots - Dolphins game...


Good stuff...;)

[HoosierDaddy]

Now watch the Dolphins win the rest of their games.

[mmevile]

Now watch the Dolphins win the rest of their games.A 2 game winning streak is all I ask for.....we're not greedy. ;)

[worldsfinest]

Question?Why is everyone talking about the Pats breaking the Dolphins record.If im not mistaken the Dolphins won all there regular season games and the Superbowl.So for the Pats to really break the record they would have to win the Superbowl as well.

[worldsfinest]

wow.It got quiet here.

[Southsider]

Question?Why is everyone talking about the Pats breaking the Dolphins record.If im not mistaken the Dolphins won all there regular season games and the Superbowl.So for the Pats to really break the record they would have to win the Superbowl as well.

dolphins did not when the super bowl in 72 :p

[worldsfinest]

dolphins did not when the super bowl in 72 :p

i think your wrong

from wiki

In 1972 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_NFL_season), the Dolphins completed the NFL's only perfect season to date in the Super Bowl era, winning all 14 regular season games, two playoff games and Super Bowl VII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_VII).

[Southsider]

i think your wrong

from wiki

In 1972 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_NFL_season), the Dolphins completed the NFL's only perfect season to date in the Super Bowl era, winning all 14 regular season games, two playoff games and Super Bowl VII (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_VII).

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated

[Southsider]

patriots if winning the super bowl will be 19-0 passing the dolphins

[Joe F.]

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated

Then they wouldn't have been undefeated.

But I guess technically they did win the Superbowl in 1973.
During the 72-73 season

http://www.phins.com/72phins/

[worldsfinest]

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated


yes they did.dont hate cause you know the Pats wont make it out of the first round of the playoffs.

[HankScorpio]

dolphins did not when the super bowl in 72 :p

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated

I don't even know how to respond to such an erroneous comment.

[cochese75]

Then they wouldn't have been undefeated.

But I guess technically they did win the Superbowl in 1973.
During the 72-73 season

http://www.phins.com/72phins/


ban him Joe :D



:spawnorb:

[HankScorpio]

ban him Joe :D



:spawnorb:
I second the motion.:D

[worldsfinest]

I agree.All those in Favor.:D

[madden821]

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated

Well neither will the Pats then.

[Vandy58]

dolphins did not win the superbowl the year they went undefeated

sorry you are acting like an idiot yes we did!!! 72 season we went undefeated, we then won the superbowl in Jan of 73 14-7 against the red skins to complete the undefeated season! The 72 superbowl we lost to dallas but that was the 71 season

[Southsider]

sorry you are acting like an idiot yes we did!!! 72 season we went undefeated, we then won the superbowl in Jan of 73 14-7 against the red skins to complete the undefeated season! The 72 superbowl we lost to dallas but that was the 71 season


haha i know guys i just wanted to get everybody going. No im not a pats fan im actually a bills fan :(

[mmevile]

Big Tuna off to Miami..... (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7584236):confused: :eek: **crosses fingers**

[Vandy58]

Now there is a guy that could do some good!

[mmevile]

Now there is a guy that could do some good!Giants.....Pats.....Cowboys -- the team doesn't matter....the result's the same. Yup, his resume speaks for itself. Not a lot of coach can say that.....not even Belli-cheat. :p

[HankScorpio]

The best part about Parcells coming to Miami is that Randy Mueller will finally be gone.:D

[Vandy58]

according to ESPN a contract will be singed in 48 hours. The say "he will not turn down Miami" First line of business FIRE Cameron.

[mmevile]

according to ESPN a contract will be singed in 48 hours. The say "he will not turn down Miami" First line of business FIRE Cameron.That means we eat his contract, I hate it when someone is rewarded for incompetence. Can't we make him sell beer in the stands? ;) :D

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Great move by the Dolphins, it should be interesting to see who he hires as the head coach and if they're going to take anybody other than Dorsey come April.

[RickyWilliams34]

He has a great eye for talent so hopefully he can improve our drafting.

[cochese75]

im not sold on Firing Cam just yet.
But anyways Im glad the Big Tuna is here and hopefully the talent starts rolling in :D


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[UFCFan]

The best part about Parcells coming to Miami is that Randy Mueller will finally be gone.:D

What exactly is your problem with Randy Mueller? Please explain how he is the primary person to blame. Are you still sore over them drafting Ginn instead of Brady Quinn or what?

I get such a kick out of you knee-jerk reactionaries who cry for coaches and gm's to get canned after a bad season. I am not saying that Cameron should for sure come back, but neither he or Mueller are all that much to blame for the current mess the team is in. You can thank Dave Wannstedt and Rick Spielman for that, and even Nick Saban a bit. Do you really believe that a different coach (or gm) is going to just come in and start winning suddenly? Whether the current iteration of this team finished 4-12, 5-11, or the 1-15 they probably will, it doesn't change the fact that there is an astounding lack of talent up and down the roster. Cam Cameron can probably be blamed for maybe 3 losses, so I ask again, how much better is 4-12? If the team went 4-12 with Mike Tomlin, would you guys be calling for his head on a silver platter too?

The fact that this franchise hasn't undergone a proper rebuild in over 25 years has caused a lot of the team's fans to become so unrealistic in their expectations. This is not a playoff caliber team in any way right now. Don't you grasp the concept of rebuilding? This team needs to continue to be purged and built from the ground up with youth-not just youth, but quality youth. The past squandering of picks and free agency has brought us to this situation. It needs to get worse before it gets better, but all a lot of you can see is a 1 win season, and nothing past it. Quit being so short sighted.

[Vandy58]

I want cameron fired because he took a mediocre team and made them worse. He has no experience coaching and that was proving this year. Although Lemon had a great game Beck should have never been benched. If we are going with Beck for the future he needs to get experience. Cameron is in LOVE with Lemon. I cannot figure out why. What had Lemon done that stands out? He had one good game, last game. That was his first NFL win, why bench beck? I blame a lot of our problems on Cameron. He destroyed this team. I hope that if and when the Tuna gets in he cleans house!

[UFCFan]

I want cameron fired because he took a mediocre team and made them worse. He has no experience coaching and that was proving this year. Although Lemon had a great game Beck should have never been benched. If we are going with Beck for the future he needs to get experience. Cameron is in LOVE with Lemon. I cannot figure out why. What had Lemon done that stands out? He had one good game, last game. That was his first NFL win, why bench beck? I blame a lot of our problems on Cameron. He destroyed this team. I hope that if and when the Tuna gets in he cleans house!

Nice to see you are being rational. LOL. How is this team "mediocre?" It isn't. It is lousy, and has been for a few years. Just because you were fooled by them going 9-7 in '05 and 6-10 last season doesn't mean they are better than what they really are. Hell, this season, even as putrid as they have been, they could easily be 4-10 right now. Is that really any better, with you still knowing how awful they really are?

The only difference between this year's team and last year's is the defense. Put simply, they are a liability this year, where as last year they were the sole reason the team won 6 games. Cameron was banking on being able to squeeze out another good year from them, and it didn't happen. You can't fault him much for thinking it, either. No one "in the know" saw it coming, either. It was a sudden collapse combined with a lot of injuries. The offense is better this season than it was last.

I don't see Cameron being "in love" with Lemon at all. He was familiar with him from when he was in San Diego, and he chose to keep him around as a backup. Did you have a better idea? He didn't ask for Trent Green to get hurt, nor did he wish for Beck to have such a horrible start to that game in Buffalo where he pulled him. I at first disagreed with him pulling Beck, too, but I think now it was the right move. He wasn't doing it so much to try and win as much as he was trying to protect his rookie Quarterback. The damage was done at that point, so why compound it in a game that was already just about out of reach?

I am not a big Cameron fan by any stretch of the imagination, but fair is fair. My biggest gripes with him are his complete bumbling of clock management and all the whispers I have heard about how he isn't well liked by the veterans on the team, saying he doesn't listen to them and what not. That's not good.

I don't think he should stay for sure, but I also don't think he should for sure be axed, either. If Parcells comes in and comes to the conclusion that Cam isn't the right guy, then so be it. It is foolish and beyond shortsighted to just call for his head, though. Cam didn't "destroy" the team- he shed a light on how bad a team it is, if anything.

Do you want a mediocre team for the next 5-7 years, the kind we saw from the early 90's to 2003-the kind of team that looks good on paper and consistently challenges for a playoff spot and usually gets a wild card but collapses in the postseason? Or do you want a team that has to go through growing pains and gut the roster until it has players that are actually good and ready to win while still in the prime of their careers?

Sorry, my man, but frankly, the "status quo" crap is what Dave Wannstedt pulled for years, and I can't take any more of it.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

It's official according to profootballtalk.com, the report say that he's most likely going to hire a new GM and then they will decide on the new coach. It looks like both Mueller and Cameron will be let go.

[Vandy58]

How can you say our offense is better this year? We are one of the worst in PPG, last year we were in the middle. Look at last years stats vs this years. WE SUCK. I agree our D is the reason we won games last year, ask yourself though what the hell happened? We really didn't lose anybody. How can we go from 4th in the NFL to one of the worst without losing big names? I have no problem with Cameron keeping Lemon, I have a problem with Cameron thinking he is the answer. Cameron wants him to be the starter. Beck played in 3 games, one was bad. That will happen to any QB espicially when they have only two games under their belt. Benching beck was premature. Lemon had 4 all of which were losses, what made him the better QB? Lemon was never drafted as a starter. He was drafted as a back up. Does cameron think he is the next brady. 7th round pick only to become on of the best? I am frustrated to say the least. Although I hate to admit this and as much as I hate Nick Sabin, he was a better coach and according to you he had a bad team show two years of okay play including an insane comeback and winning streak. (05) I was hoping in the offseason that Cameron was the answer, to me, right now I say no. However I would love to be proven wrong and eat my own words.

Funny side not, in 1989 the cowboys went 1-15 under their new coach Jimmy Johnson. They also had a new QB Troy Aikman. If Cameron can do that same, I am all for him. It is just very hard to have faith in a coach that was the coach during the worst year in Fins history. Jimmy Johnson was the last coach to draft well for us, from what it is looking like that still stands today!

[Vandy58]

Another side note:

GO CU, KICK THE CRAP OUT OF THAT PANTY WASTE SABIN!

[cochese75]

How can you say our offense is better this year? We are one of the worst in PPG, last year we were in the middle. Look at last years stats vs this years. WE SUCK. I agree our D is the reason we won games last year, ask yourself though what the hell happened? We really didn't lose anybody. How can we go from 4th in the NFL to one of the worst without losing big names? I have no problem with Cameron keeping Lemon, I have a problem with Cameron thinking he is the answer. Cameron wants him to be the starter. Beck played in 3 games, one was bad. That will happen to any QB espicially when they have only two games under their belt. Benching beck was premature. Lemon had 4 all of which were losses, what made him the better QB? Lemon was never drafted as a starter. He was drafted as a back up. Does cameron think he is the next brady. 7th round pick only to become on of the best? I am frustrated to say the least. Although I hate to admit this and as much as I hate Nick Sabin, he was a better coach and according to you he had a bad team show two years of okay play including an insane comeback and winning streak. (05) I was hoping in the offseason that Cameron was the answer, to me, right now I say no. However I would love to be proven wrong and eat my own words.

Funny side not, in 1989 the cowboys went 1-15 under their new coach Jimmy Johnson. They also had a new QB Troy Aikman. If Cameron can do that same, I am all for him. It is just very hard to have faith in a coach that was the coach during the worst year in Fins history. Jimmy Johnson was the last coach to draft well for us, from what it is looking like that still stands today!


our PPG was ranked 12th 7 games into the season. We lost Ronnie and from there we went down hill.

ranked #9th in total scoring(156 pts)....#29th LAST YEAR(260 pts)

ranked #12th in point per game(22.3).....#29th LAST YEAR(16.3)
Pretty good for 7 games into the season.





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[UFCFan]

How can you say our offense is better this year? We are one of the worst in PPG, last year we were in the middle. Look at last years stats vs this years. WE SUCK. I agree our D is the reason we won games last year, ask yourself though what the hell happened? We really didn't lose anybody. How can we go from 4th in the NFL to one of the worst without losing big names? I have no problem with Cameron keeping Lemon, I have a problem with Cameron thinking he is the answer. Cameron wants him to be the starter. Beck played in 3 games, one was bad. That will happen to any QB espicially when they have only two games under their belt. Benching beck was premature. Lemon had 4 all of which were losses, what made him the better QB? Lemon was never drafted as a starter. He was drafted as a back up. Does cameron think he is the next brady. 7th round pick only to become on of the best? I am frustrated to say the least. Although I hate to admit this and as much as I hate Nick Sabin, he was a better coach and according to you he had a bad team show two years of okay play including an insane comeback and winning streak. (05) I was hoping in the offseason that Cameron was the answer, to me, right now I say no. However I would love to be proven wrong and eat my own words.

Funny side not, in 1989 the cowboys went 1-15 under their new coach Jimmy Johnson. They also had a new QB Troy Aikman. If Cameron can do that same, I am all for him. It is just very hard to have faith in a coach that was the coach during the worst year in Fins history. Jimmy Johnson was the last coach to draft well for us, from what it is looking like that still stands today!

As someone else just said, the offense was far better than last season's for a good stretch, up until Brown got hurt. Brown going down and the Chambers trade, among other things, have hurt the stats.

I understand where you are coming from-please don't get me wrong. It's just that I am so sick of the short sighted "win now" mentality that they have had for years. Wannstedt tried to peace meal an offense together and win on the back of a championship caliber defense that was at their peak. Saban tried to largely do the same. He did at least try to start a youth movement, albeit a pretty half assed attempt. Cameron convinced Wayne he could do the same- improve the offense to a fairly respectable level and possibly get to the playoffs on the shoulders of the defense, who were still playing at a high level. The defense collapsed almost overnight, and thus begun the mess we see now.

Wannstedt is the biggest culprit, because not only did he fall in love with Fiedler to the point of ignoring just about any QB in the draft, he also took advantage of the defense, and did not bother to try and replenish that side of the ball. Saban added players, but too many were vets. The defense has been seen as old around the league for at least a few years, and this time, it came back to bite the team in the ass in a big way.

I am not at all against dismissing Cameron- I just didn't want it to be just to do it, or just because the team fell on its face this season. If he goes/went, I want a clear plan in place and for someone to come in with a clue-if Parcells truly cleans house, it looks like that may happen. I am all for that, as long as they truly finally tear down the house and rebuild it instead of continuing to slap a coat of paint on it every year or two.

I appreciate your passion, but I think you are reading a bit too much into the Cleo Lemon thing. Putting it simply, Lemon is the QB on the roster who gives the team the best chance to win. I agree with you that once the move was made to go to Beck, it shouldn't have gone back. However, I don't think Cam would have yanked Beck and put Lemon back in if Beck hadn't had that string of very bad occurrences to start the Buffalo game. He played well against Philly and Pittsburgh, but I believe Cam was just trying to protect him by yanking him and giving him a chance to breathe and calm down. Keeping him in there like that is not necessarily going to be productive if it shatters whatever remaining confidence he had. He also did not want to completely lose his team, mainly the veterans. If you watched the game, it was as clear as day that the moment Lemon came on the field, the entire offense seemed to spring to life. With all the talk in the papers about the veterans on the team being about ready for an all out mutiny, he felt it was time to yank the shellshocked rookie and put Lemon in.

[worldsfinest]

The Tuna Leading the Fish.

[Vandy58]

our PPG was ranked 12th 7 games into the season. We lost Ronnie and from there we went down hill.






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I stand corrected

[HankScorpio]

What exactly is your problem with Randy Mueller? Please explain how he is the primary person to blame. Are you still sore over them drafting Ginn instead of Brady Quinn or what?

I get such a kick out of you knee-jerk reactionaries who cry for coaches and gm's to get canned after a bad season. I am not saying that Cameron should for sure come back, but neither he or Mueller are all that much to blame for the current mess the team is in. You can thank Dave Wannstedt and Rick Spielman for that, and even Nick Saban a bit. Do you really believe that a different coach (or gm) is going to just come in and start winning suddenly? Whether the current iteration of this team finished 4-12, 5-11, or the 1-15 they probably will, it doesn't change the fact that there is an astounding lack of talent up and down the roster. Cam Cameron can probably be blamed for maybe 3 losses, so I ask again, how much better is 4-12? If the team went 4-12 with Mike Tomlin, would you guys be calling for his head on a silver platter too?

The fact that this franchise hasn't undergone a proper rebuild in over 25 years has caused a lot of the team's fans to become so unrealistic in their expectations. This is not a playoff caliber team in any way right now. Don't you grasp the concept of rebuilding? This team needs to continue to be purged and built from the ground up with youth-not just youth, but quality youth. The past squandering of picks and free agency has brought us to this situation. It needs to get worse before it gets better, but all a lot of you can see is a 1 win season, and nothing past it. Quit being so short sighted.
Go back and check my posts. I've been critical of reaching for Ginn so high, but I never wanted Quinn (whom I've always thought would be a mediocre NFL QB). I thought they needed to draft defensive players, especially on the line.

Mueler wasn't in charge of personnel decisions under Saban, but he is now. They haven't had a good draft since Jimmy Johnson left, and this year's draft was awful. Regardless of what influence any coaches hadin the current state of the team, they're not around anymore. Mueller takes the blame whether it's fair or not.

I think firing Cameron is the worst decison they can make right now. The offense was a lot better until Ronnie Brown went down. It's not Cameron's fault the front office failed to address the aging defense or add any depth where it was needed.

Regardless of any of the above, I'm not so delusional that I think Parcells can immediately turn the team around. It's going to be at least three years before the team will compete for anything, provided they have good drafts and some key signings or trades in that time.

[Vandy58]

We got him
Bill Parcells signed a four-year contract with the Miami Dolphins to become the team's executive vice president of football operations, according to a Dolphins source.

Parcells faxed the contract to the team. The Dolphins are expected to make a formal announcement Thursday afternoon.

Parcells will finish his duties as an ESPN analyst this week, appearing on ESPN Radio Primetime Friday at 7 p.m. ET. His final work for the network will be as part of Monday night's Denver-San Diego coverage.

The move was swift and somewhat surprising. Parcells was on the cusp of accepting a job to rebuild the Atlanta Falcons, then rebuked them Wednesday afternoon -- having apparently struck a deal with Miami.

So, for the second time in less than a week, an off-field story is dominating the conversation at Miami's training complex.

Bill Parcells' Coaching Record

Bill Parcells says he won't coach for the Dolphins, but he's been a winner wherever he's been. Parcells is 172-130-1 in his NFL career as a head coach, with an 11-8 record in the playoffs and two Super Bowl wins.

Year Team Record Playoffs
1983 Giants 3-12-1 None
1984 Giants 9-7 1-1
1985 Giants 10-6 1-1
1986 Giants 14-2 3-0 *
1987 Giants 6-9 None
1988 Giants 10-6 None
1989 Giants 12-4 0-1
1990 Giants 13-3 3-0 *
1993 Patriots 5-11 None
1994 Patriots 10-6 0-1
1995 Patriots 6-10 None
1996 Patriots 11-5 2-1
1997 Jets 9-7 None
1998 Jets 12-4 1-1
1999 Jets 8-8 None
2003 Cowboys 10-6 0-1
2004 Cowboys 6-10 None
2005 Cowboys 9-7 None
2006 Cowboys 9-7 0-1
* = Won Super Bowl
The first revelation came last Friday: Dolphins owner Wayne Huizenga had been in talks about selling the team for about $1.1 billion, although it seems that deal has since unraveled and there's no immediate plans to sell even a portion of the franchise.

And now this: Parcells, who previously coached the Giants, Patriots, Jets and Cowboys, is set to return to the NFL.

Parcells' return didn't seem to be a surprise in Dallas, where he retired as coach after last season.

Cowboys vice president Stephen Jones, the son of Dallas owner Jerry Jones, said Parcells was always intrigued "not just in the coaching part, but putting the team together, running the organization, trainers to fields to scouting department. It was always a huge interest to him."

With his team mired in the longest playoff drought in franchise history -- six years and counting -- Huizenga has long sought different ways to end that streak.

In January 2004, he hired Miami's greatest player, Dan Marino, as senior vice president of football operations, a job created just for him. Marino resigned from the loosely defined role 22 days later, saying he didn't want to change his lifestyle.

Later that year, Huizenga hired coach Nick Saban away from LSU; he lasted only two seasons in Miami before bolting after the 2006 campaign to return to college football at Alabama.

[worldsfinest]

YES THE TUNA.

[Vandy58]

TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!

[mmevile]

TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE!It's starting......Randy's out (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7621756?MSNHPHMA)! Happy New Year! :D

[mmevile]

If you heard a flushing sound, that means Cam's out (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3178646). ;) :p Actually, everyone that had anything to do w/ player personnel got fired. Interesting turn of events here.....not necessarily a shock, but I still couldn't believe how much pink slips are being handed out. :eek:

[Vandy58]

title change!

[benganeer1]

How long will it be before he trades or releases Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas?

[mmevile]

How long will it be before he trades or releases Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas?Tuna did mention that he "rarely" strays away from "prototypical" players based on their position.....and we all know JT is very "un"-prototypical. BTW, Zach Thomas took his parking lot nametag which fueled a lot of speculation of him retiring.....but w/ this latest shakeup, who know? :confused:

[cochese75]

How long will it be before he trades or releases Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas?

I dont know but theres a rumor 3rd rounder for Chad Johnson going around



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[Vandy58]

I dont know but theres a rumor 3rd rounder for Chad Johnson going around



:spawnorb:

We would need to make sure we have a QB before that happens

[HankScorpio]

I hope Cameron finds a coordinator job before too long. Say what you will about his decision-making and leadership (or lack thereof), but he did a heck of a job turning the offense around before Brown and Green went down for the season.

Ireland and Parcells did a heck of a job rebuilding the Cowboys through the draft. Hopefully they can do the same in Miami.

[jonsoriano08]

I hope Cameron finds a coordinator job before too long. Say what you will about his decision-making and leadership (or lack thereof), but he did a heck of a job turning the offense around before Brown and Green went down for the season.

Ireland and Parcells did a heck of a job rebuilding the Cowboys through the draft. Hopefully they can do the same in Miami.


I hope the 9ers are taking notes of who's available.:(

[mmevile]

We would need to make sure we have a QB before that happensNo problem. All we do is take Drew Bledsoe on a 1yr contract, he gets hurt & whoever replaces him will be our HOF QB for years to come. ;) This is how Brady & Romo was found. :D

[rugbyplayer11]

do you all agree with the front runner for the phins head coach job

[mmevile]

do you all agree with the front runner for the phins head coach jobI'm taking a wait-&-see approach for this....besides it's not like Tony "Soprano" has to do a lot to surpass what Cam has accomplished. ;)

[Hawkmoon]

Whomever gets the coaching job has a major rebuilding project on their hands.

Of the veterans on offense only Ronnie Brown is of a high calibre and he's somewhat injury prone. Chatman and Ricky Williams provide good backup making running back the only position on offense that won't need wholesale changes.

Quarterback is a chronic problem and Beck still hasn't proved he can get the job done for whatever reason. Green is probably done and Lemon isn't the answer. Ginn has potential at wide receiver but isn't a go-to-guy yet and the rest are not starting calibre. Carey is OK and Satele looks good but the rest of the line is poor and Hudson Houck won't be around to work his magic on it. Tight End isn't worth mentioning.

Crowder and Bell are the only young players on the defense of any real talent and both are coming off IR. Taylor, Thomas and Holliday are good or great (in Taylor's case) veterans but age is a big factor. The rest of the defense isn't woth feeding.

Whether it's Sparano or anybody else, they're going to have to rely on Parcells and Co. working some magic in free agency and finding some instant starters in the draft if the Dolphins are going to be anything other than double-digit losers next year. :(

[mmevile]

OMG....there is such a thing as KARMA! If it's going to cost us the worst record of the year just to have this feeling in the end is definitely worth it. :D
Now I can see Mercury Morris kicking everyone out of the neighborhood.

[HankScorpio]

http://constitutionclub.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/champagne-4.jpg
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[mmevile]

The overhaul has started: Booker, Trayler & Green = all out (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3241124)! I think what they're trying to say is that: they want to get younger.

[Miami Mike]

11 Days til training camp. Is Everyone Ready??

Early Thoughts

McNown will start and I believe Henne will finish the season.
I would be happy with 6 wins.
Taylor will be playing opening day for the fins.

What do you expect?

[UFCFan]

I'm thinking 5 or 6 wins probably. I expect the offense to be pretty damn brutal at times. The running game should be effective, but they had better find a way to throw the ball downfield or everyone they play will put 8 in the box all game long against them. The receivers they have on paper look to be about the worst in the league, and the secondary really scares me on defense too.

I do expect John Beck to be the starter, not McCown. I could see McCown barely winning the job out of camp but coughing it up to Beck after the first 3 or 4 games. Henne I don't think will see too much action, except for some spot duty if they are way ahead (not likely) or way behind (likely), and maybe a start or two at the end of the season.

[rugbyplayer11]

I think Beck will be the starter this year and if he struggle then Henne will get the job. If Brown comes back healthy, I see our running game doing very well. That is if the line can do its job. I see a .500 season.

[rupy017]

I'd put your PERFECT SEASON up against the PATS and the PATS would win.

[UFCFan]

I'd put your PERFECT SEASON up against the PATS and the PATS would win.

Ok.......

[RickyWilliams34]

Sorry rugbyplayer but are you insane? .500 season??? I'll eat crow and apologize if they do but I don't see it happening. Beck should end up starting just due to the fact that he was drafted as the future. However, if he doesn't show strides in the first 6-8 games he'll be done as the starting quarterback of this team for good.

I'm excited for the Brown, Williams tandem again :)
That's about all to be excited for. The running game and how the o-line progresses.

[rupy017]

Ok.......

I'm just kidding. I don't really like the Pats, but I was rooting for them last year.

[Vandy58]

Wow just went to bump this. I am still on edge about JT. I love the guy and would love to see his final game played in a FINS jersey but way to much contriversy going on with him! Running game should be awesome this year! We will have one hell of a 1 2 punch. Curious about QB but I have faith! If we go .500 this year I will be excited! GO FINS!

[rugbyplayer11]

Sorry rugbyplayer but are you insane? .500 season??? I'll eat crow and apologize if they do but I don't see it happening. Beck should end up starting just due to the fact that he was drafted as the future. However, if he doesn't show strides in the first 6-8 games he'll be done as the starting quarterback of this team for good.

I'm excited for the Brown, Williams tandem again :)
That's about all to be excited for. The running game and how the o-line progresses.
I like how Beck has progressed in the off season (adding more muscle) but if the o-line comes through and our running game is what it is supposed to be then I have a great feeling about being .500 this season.

[Hateohiostate]

I have been a Dolphins fan since the days of Csonka, Kiick Warfield, etc...One of my two grails is that signed, #ed Perfect season helmet. :) I got to see Beck in college all the time, and with an O line, he should be a really good QB.

[RickyWilliams34]

But rugby...have you seen the Phins secondary and wide-outs? Absolutely pitiful.

[mmevile]

Injured......cutting wood (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-0716mccown,0,13028.story) -- what a idiot! :rolleyes: Is the curse from last year seeping into this season?

[rugbyplayer11]

But rugby...have you seen the Phins secondary and wide-outs? Absolutely pitiful.
yes but Brady did a lot with nothing. Now I am not saying Beck or any Dolphins QB is anywhere close to Brady, but The wideouts might be better than they are being shown. Ginn could be great and Wilford might be better with another team

[Vandy58]

Good luck JT

[rugbyplayer11]

I cant say that I am upset that Taylor is gone. He did not want to play on the Dolphins and the Dolphins did not want him. I thought the Dolphins got a good pick for him. Might as well get what we can since he will probably only be around for a few more seasons anyway

[Vandy58]

He and Zach were the two shining spots for us for a long time. It hurts to lose them both the same year! I was a giant JT fan. I am not upset but I am saddened. I was hoping he would retire a Fin. Franchise players are hard to come by

[Vandy58]

Hell yes just received my new authentic jersey today! Orange Jason Taylor. Got it for 29.99. I am stoked this is my first authentic!

[Miami Mike]

Hell yes just received my new authentic jersey today! Orange Jason Taylor. Got it for 29.99. I am stoked this is my first authentic!


Awesome. :D

[Miami Mike]

Well I am content with signing Terry Glenn. I don't know why he didn't stay with the Cowboys and have a shot at a ring. I'm glad he is here. He can help our young wrs and hopefully a leader presence.

[Vandy58]

Awesome. :D

Also got my Tickets for the Donkey's Dolphins game on November 2nd! row 26, 30 yard line, Fins side. I actually could of got row 1, 45 yard line, Fins side for the same price but apparently the players obstruct the view!

[Paul755]

So you'll get to be present when the Donkey's squish the Fish....excellent :D ;)

[Vandy58]

So you'll get to be present when the Donkey's squish the Fish....excellent :D ;)

sorry I will not be present for that, however I will be present to see the Fins eat the Donks alive on November 2nd:D:p

[Miami Mike]

Also got my Tickets for the Donkey's Dolphins game on November 2nd! row 26, 30 yard line, Fins side. I actually could of got row 1, 45 yard line, Fins side for the same price but apparently the players obstruct the view!

nice snag. im looking to grab some tix when the fins come to houston. :)

[Miami Mike]

Here it is (rookies are underlined):
OFFENSE


WR 1: Ted Ginn, Derek Hagan, David Kircus, Jayson Foster, Anthony Armstrong
LT: Jake Long, Ikechuku Ndukwe
LG: Justin Smiley, Shawn Murphy
C: Samson Satele, Steve McKinney, Matt Spanos
RG: Trey Darilek, Donald Thomas, Mike Byrne
RT: Vernon Carey, Daren Heerspink
TE: Anthony Fasano, David Martin, Sean Ryan, Justin Peelle, Matthew Mulligan
WR 2: Ernest Wilford, Greg Camarillo, Davone Bess, John Dunlap, Selwyn Lymon.
QB: Josh McCown, John Beck, Chad Henne
FB: Regan Mauia, Boomer Grigsby
RB: Ronnie Brown, Ricky Williams, Patrick Cobbs, Jalen Parmele, Lex Hilliard

DEFENSE


LE: Matt Roth, Randy Starks, Kendall Langford, Rodrique Wright
NT: Jason Ferguson, Paul Soliai, Anthony Toribio
RE: Vonnie Holliday, Phillip Merling, Lionel Dotson
SLB: Joey Porter, Rob Ninkovich, Junior Glymph, Titus Brown
ILB 1: Channing Crowder, Kelvin Smith, Kelly Poppinga
ILB 2: Akin Ayodele, Reggie Torbor, Edmond Miles
WLB: Charlie Anderson, Quentin Moses, Keith Saunders
LCB: Will Allen, Joey Thomas, Chris Roberson
RCB: Andre Goodman, Travis Daniels, Nathan Jones, Will Billingsley
FS: Jason Allen, Chris Crocker, Renaldo Hill
SS: Yeremiah Bell, Keith Davis, Courtney Bryan

SPECIALISTS


P: Brandon Fields
K: Jay Feely, Dan Carpenter
KO: Jay Feely, Dan Carpenter
H: Brandon Fields
KOR: Ted Ginn, Jayson Foster, Davone Bess
PR: Ted Ginn, Jayson Foster, Davone Bess
LS: John Denney

[UFCFan]

It has been widely reported already that that depth chart means very little, so don't read too much into anything, especially for the QB's. They listed them by seniority.

[Roll Tide]

just wondering if any of you dolphins fans have any jason allen signed or unsigned items for trade or sale?? if you do please e-mail me at keithsharpton@bellsouth.net

[Miami Mike]

It has been widely reported already that that depth chart means very little, so don't read too much into anything, especially for the QB's. They listed them by seniority.


I know. Sparano said that it would probably change this afternoon. ;)

It is a creative bump.

[Vandy58]

Well boys after a days of speculation and "pretty sure" by the media it is official, Chad Pennington is our new starting QB. Personally I like the move. As long as his shoulder stays healthy and he stays healthy he brings a depth to the QB position that we have not had in years! I think he will help us to get out of this funk and no longer be a laughing stock (give that honor back to the bills). Hopefully he will kick major ass and we can all laugh at the jets. What are your thoughts, espicially UFCFan.

[Hateohiostate]

I have been a Dolphin fan since the days of Csonka, Kiick, Warfield, etc.....before 1972. Love that my Wolverines were drafted this year, but I'm a little tired of seeing soooo many players with Parcells connections being brought to Miami. Talk about nepotism!!!!! Dolphins already have a ton of QB's, let's see what some of the young guns can do if given a O-line to protect them!!!

[UFCFan]

Well boys after a days of speculation and "pretty sure" by the media it is official, Chad Pennington is our new starting QB. Personally I like the move. As long as his shoulder stays healthy and he stays healthy he brings a depth to the QB position that we have not had in years! I think he will help us to get out of this funk and no longer be a laughing stock (give that honor back to the bills). Hopefully he will kick major ass and we can all laugh at the jets. What are your thoughts, espicially UFCFan.

I had really mixed thoughts on it initially. After watching Pennington just kill the Dolphins almost every time the Jets played them, I developed quite a hatred for him. At the same time, I've also really admired the way he plays the game. I dislike the fact that he has a little pop gun for an arm, but he is a gutsy guy and I like his leadership. He's never had a problem getting his teammates to play for him.

Once I can fully get past the fact that he was a Jet, I'll be fine with it. I definitely would rather have him starting than Josh McCown, who I have never liked. I was really hoping that John Beck would come into camp this year and just take over, but that hasn't been the case-although, he has looked a lot better this week after a shaky first week of camp, and he looked ok in the game tonight, too. There's no chance of anyone besides Pennington starting now, and that is fine with me. My only concern is which one of the QB's will be jettisoned now. They aren't keeping 4 into the season. The only sure things are Pennington and Henne (who made some excellent throws tonight, btw). I would much rather just cut McCown loose and keep Beck as the backup, if only for the fact that Beck is still technically a real young player (in terms of experience, not necessarily age), and he still has a lot of potential, where as McCown isn't ever getting any better than he is right now.

I'll be a bit pissed if Beck goes as a result of Pennington being brought aboard, but all in all, I think it was a good move for the short term. The bottom line is that he upgrades the position, and he should be a really good stopgap until Henne is ready for his full time audition.

[RickyWilliams34]

I wouldn't be one bit mad if Beck is the odd man out. Maybe try to get a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Possible suitor could be the Bears. From what Ive heard, Henne should end up being the future.

[UFCFan]

I wouldn't be one bit mad if Beck is the odd man out. Maybe try to get a 5th or 6th round pick for him. Possible suitor could be the Bears. From what Ive heard, Henne should end up being the future.

That's all well and good, but I don't see any harm at all in keeping Beck around as the backup. He is already signed for another 4 or 5 years, and frankly, I feel he is at least on par with McCown as a player, even though McCown has been in the league for like 6 or 7 years now. Beck also has the ability to become better (remember, he has barely even played yet), while McCown has already hit his ceiling. If Beck pans out and becomes something, then guess what? They either have a solid backup or someone they can trade for a higher pick than a 5th rounder, which is probably the best they could do for him right now. If you feel that McCown is head and shoulders above Beck, then it makes more sense to keep McCown, for at least the short term. I don't, though.

[RickyWilliams34]

Well Beck needs to be a man and hold on to the ball. Getting rid of McCown is fine as long as his contract is small enough to where the Dolphins don't have to eat a ton of salary.

[UFCFan]

True that.

[Vandy58]

So I did not get to see the game but from the highlights and what I have heard, Pennington, so far, so good. I saw that he and Teddy hooked up a couple of times. I am stoked for the jets game! GO FINS!

[mmevile]

So I did not get to see the game but from the highlights and what I have heard, Pennington, so far, so good. I saw that he and Teddy hooked up a couple of times. I am stoked for the jets game! GO FINS!Did you hear that Ronnie Brown is hurt again? Sure it's nothing serious, just a thumb....but it's also just the pre-season. :rolleyes: Also the fact that all the talk being generated in the runningback position is how great Ricky looks, can we finally cut ties w/ R.Brown & rightfully call him a bust? I'm all for keeping potential to help the team win in the longrun but I've seen this writing in the wall 3 yrs ago: Ronnie & Miami = not a good fit.

[UFCFan]

Did you hear that Ronnie Brown is hurt again? Sure it's nothing serious, just a thumb....but it's also just the pre-season. :rolleyes: Also the fact that all the talk being generated in the runningback position is how great Ricky looks, can we finally cut ties w/ R.Brown & rightfully call him a bust? I'm all for keeping potential to help the team win in the longrun but I've seen this writing in the wall 3 yrs ago: Ronnie & Miami = not a good fit.

Asinine. Why is there a need to cut ties with him? You really are comfortable staking the whole backfield situation on Ricky Williams at 31 years old, and one miniscule slip up from being done for good? Yes, he has looked good so far, but we are still talking about what, 20 carries? Why would you not want 2 good running backs on the team? It's not like the Dolphins are up against the wall salary cap wise, either.

This latest injury isn't even really an injury. It's a damn sprained thumb, and if it were a regular season game, he would have come back in and played. Remember that the guy tore his ACL 10 months ago, too. It takes a while. You can't argue that when healthy, he has been an upper echelon running back in the league. Again, I ask, why is there a need to cut ties with him now? His contract is up after the 2009 season, too. If anything, they need to just wait it out and see how he does between now and then.

[rugbyplayer11]

I agree about not cutting ties with Ronnie Brown. He is still a great back, just a little injury prone. When he plays, he is good. I like Williams and I hope they give him more playing time, to make sure Brown is fully healed.

[mmevile]

I agree about not cutting ties with Ronnie Brown. He is still a great back, just a little injury prone. When he plays, he is good. I like Williams and I hope they give him more playing time, to make sure Brown is fully healed.
Sorry when I meant "cut ties", I mean shop him around to see what we can get for him....possibly another rback. Honestly, he's a limited runner....he doesn't have the cutback moves most backs have. He runs 1 route = straight. And it's clear his body is not even built for such a specialty. Runningbacks are a dime a dozen, we're not talking about a QB here.....you can always get a decent guy in the backfield anytime. He's replaceable imo....but since he's got trade value right now, why not utilize that to improve either the same position or a diff position in your squad. I'm not talking about cutting him because we're over the cap or something like that....but seriously why are we keeping him. We're not going to the Superbowl this year, he's not a Parcells guy & we need to keep in mind the next year as much as this year. ;)

[UFCFan]

Sorry when I meant "cut ties", I mean shop him around to see what we can get for him....possibly another rback. Honestly, he's a limited runner....he doesn't have the cutback moves most backs have. He runs 1 route = straight. And it's clear his body is not even built for such a specialty. Runningbacks are a dime a dozen, we're not talking about a QB here.....you can always get a decent guy in the backfield anytime. He's replaceable imo....but since he's got trade value right now, why not utilize that to improve either the same position or a diff position in your squad. I'm not talking about cutting him because we're over the cap or something like that....but seriously why are we keeping him. We're not going to the Superbowl this year, he's not a Parcells guy & we need to keep in mind the next year as much as this year. ;)

"Why are we keeping him?" Geez, you act as if he is Alex Smith or something. What is the huge hurry to get rid of him? I am just not getting it. Just because the guy doesn't seem to have that Adrian Peterson/LT type ability to take it to the house on any carry doesn't mean he is a limited runner. Look at how he pounds defenses and can carry the offense when he is healthy. Before he went down last season, he was the sole reason the team was in all those early games. With him in there, the Dolphins were averaging over 20 points a game.

You're right that RB's are fairly easily replaced a lot of times, but there is a difference between a serviceable running back and an upper echelon one. I guess it just comes down to the fact that you think Ronnie is serviceable and I think he is upper echelon when he is healthy. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree there.

I would not be opposed to trading him if some team made a big offer, but there is no need to just throw him away for something like a 2nd or 3rd rounder, either. You think he has value right now, but it really isn't all that high considering he is coming off of a torn ACL. It would take a team getting desperate for Miami to squeeze a high pick for him. Given that his rookie contract won't be up until after next season, what is the harm in keeping him around and seeing what he can really do between now and then? No, the team is not going to contend this season, but there is also no need to just jettison every talented player. Getting rid of Zach and Taylor made sense. This doesn't. The guy is only like 26 years old, and is entering what should be the prime of his career. The only real question mark with him at all is durability. His playing ability should not be questioned, imo.

This team has way too many fundamental needs up and down the roster to have to worry about spending another premium draft pick on a running back right now. If they trade Brown, that is exactly what they will have to do soon. Ricky Williams is not a long term solution by any stretch of the imagination, and anyone who thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

[Vandy58]

I just off a 5 day "suspension", so here is my bump. I have a lot of hopes for this season. Pennington is looking like a sweet pick up! Rickey is a stud again, well so far. GO FINS!

[rugbyplayer11]

I like how we are are looking in preseason. I know its just preseason, but I think we have a good shot at being 8-8 for the season

[Vandy58]

I like how we are are looking in preseason. I know its just preseason, but I think we have a good shot at being 8-8 for the season

Obviously being in Donkey country I always get a ration of crap. I have been saying for months I will be happy with 8-8. Best part is a lot of them think they will be in the playoffs. LOL

[SackExchange]

By starting Pennington the Fins running game got cut in half because every defense he faces will have the box stacked. They know full well that he has a two time injured noodle arm and not much a threat down field. Pennington will complete passes, its just too bad that his 15-20 completions will only amount for 100 yards.

[RickyWilliams34]

Pennington only helps the running game.

[mzdaspeed30]

As a season ticket holder i am actually excited about this season. I am actually glad i renewed this year.

[Vandy58]

Wow Pennington haters. He is the best QB we have had since Marino. If he does take us to 8-8 or hopefully better will you eat your words?

[UFCFan]

By starting Pennington the Fins running game got cut in half because every defense he faces will have the box stacked. They know full well that he has a two time injured noodle arm and not much a threat down field. Pennington will complete passes, its just too bad that his 15-20 completions will only amount for 100 yards.

LOL, right, as if teams wouldn't stack 8 in the box if Henne, McCown, or Beck were at QB. Henne was a good arm, but every team that plays Miami knows that their running game is their only real strength on offense, and they will load up at the line until they show they can hurt teams downfield.

Their running game is helped by Pennington, not hindered. He isn't going to chuck it deep 10 times a game, but at least he can complete passes, something I can't say with any certainty that any other QB on the roster can do with regularity right now.

[Vandy58]

LOL, right, as if teams wouldn't stack 8 in the box if Henne, McCown, or Beck were at QB. Henne was a good arm, but every team that plays Miami knows that their running game is their only real strength on offense, and they will load up at the line until they show they can hurt teams downfield.

Their running game is helped by Pennington, not hindered. He isn't going to chuck it deep 10 times a game, but at least he can complete passes, something I can't say with any certainty that any other QB on the roster can do with regularity right now.

Exactly, who cares if he will only complete 10-15 yard passes. Those equal 1st downs, which equal TD's and Field Goals, which lead to wins. Something that we only saw once last year! GO FINS

[mmevile]

Wow Pennington haters. He is the best QB we have had since Marino. If he does take us to 8-8 or hopefully better will you eat your words?Whoa! Not bashing on Pennington, but how about he finishes at least 5 "real" games w/ the Fins b4 we start naming him best QB post-Marino. I take it you're not a Fiedler fan? :p

[footballfish34]

I'm not a Pennington hater, but before I start calling him the second coming at QB he has to prove himself durning the season and not get hurt.

I'm looking forward to watching the Dolphins this year and have my tickets for the December 7th up here in Toronto.

[rugbyplayer11]

I agree with having the season start first before claiming Penny best QB since Marino. He does have to stay healthy for a change, but maybe our improved line will keep him from getting hit. Also, there are no playoff chances for the Fins this year. I am a hardcore Fins fan being born in Florida and all, but I am at least realistic. Would I love it if they made the playoffs, yeah, but I dont see it happening this year. Penny will get yards by throwing short passes. He doesnt need long bombs, just 10 yard passes for first downs is all the Fins need to get in the endzone. Short passes are just as good as long bombs as long as they both lead to first downs. You all are forgetting before Penny got hurt he had the best completion % of all active QB's in the league.

[Vandy58]

He is the best QB since Marino, he has the highest completion rating in NFL history. There is a reason we have had 13 starters at QB since Marino left. I am in no way saying he is the second coming, he is not and probably never will be. He is the best QB we have had since Marino and can be the guy to get us back to our 70's-90's greatness!

[UFCFan]

I have to disagree about the "70's-90's greatness" thing. First of all, the Dolphins were not great in the 90's. I guess compared to now they were, lol, but they were just good most of those years. Good enough to consistently make the playoffs and possibly win a first round game, but only one time did they make it further than the divisional round, in 1992.

I also don't think Chad is anything more than a capable stop gap solution who can lead the team and be a calming influence on a team that has been lousy as of late. He is a bridge to the next era-he isn't the next era. He may prove to be better than any QB since Marino retired, but how much is that really saying?

[Vandy58]

I have to disagree about the "70's-90's greatness" thing. First of all, the Dolphins were not great in the 90's. I guess compared to now they were, lol, but they were just good most of those years. Good enough to consistently make the playoffs and possibly win a first round game, but only one time did they make it further than the divisional round, in 1992.

I also don't think Chad is anything more than a capable stop gap solution who can lead the team and be a calming influence on a team that has been lousy as of late. He is a bridge to the next era-he isn't the next era. He may prove to be better than any QB since Marino retired, but how much is that really saying?

That is better then now, only time it was worse was the 60's. That is basically what I am trying to say about Chad. But who knows he could tank like everybody else or truly be that guy!

[mmevile]

Not in Dolphins history....that's like saying that Brett Favre is the greatest Jets QB ever. I'm sure Jets fans will say no to that. ;)
He is the best QB since Marino, he has the highest completion rating in NFL history. There is a reason we have had 13 starters at QB since Marino left. I am in no way saying he is the second coming, he is not and probably never will be. He is the best QB we have had since Marino and can be the guy to get us back to our 70's-90's greatness!

[UFCFan]

Not in Dolphins history....that's like saying that Brett Favre is the greatest Jets QB ever. I'm sure Jets fans will say no to that. ;)

What are you talking about? He said that he is the best QB the team has had since Marino, and that his completion percentage is the highest in the history of the league. Which of those two have anything to do with Brett Favre and the Jets?

[mmevile]

What are you talking about? He said that he is the best QB the team has had since Marino, and that his completion percentage is the highest in the history of the league. Which of those two have anything to do with Brett Favre and the Jets?Simple....whatever he did in NY is in NY, not here in S.Florida. He's starting w/ a new team & entering a new career history. For all we know he starts hitting the regular season & he stinks up the joint as a Fins (hence, the Brett Favre/Jets reference). But if you want to narrow the explanation into 1 word -- that word is: "premature".

Of course, I'm hoping whatever he did say.....becomes true.

[Vandy58]

Nice pre-season. Lets hope they can continue it in the regular season! GO FINS!!!!

[RickyWilliams34]

Truely shocked Mauia was waived.

[UFCFan]

I'm not. He sucked. I've seen 4 year olds catch passes better than he could, and while his blocking is arguably just a tad better than Grigsby's, he still isn't all that good at that either. On top of that, Grigsby is ten times the special teams player Mauia is.

I think FB is a position that is going to be upgraded by next year anyway, but for now, Boomer is the better player, and there was no real reason to keep both.

[UFCFan]

Any of you people who were thinking 8-8 or better need to adjust your expectations....

This is not a good football team, regardless of the fact that they had a chance to win at the end. They had no business winning this game. They got outplayed in every facet of the game, plain and simple.

I saw some good things, mainly the pressure the defense was able to get pretty consistently. There are going to be a lot of growing pains, though. There were just too many stupid mistakes that plague young teams, and quite frankly, a lot of it just brought me back to last season.

The run defense was bad. They had too many lapses in coverage. The O line was horrible for the majority of the game, especially in pass protection. Dan Carpenter was horrid on his kickoffs. Even Fields totally shanked one. On offense, it looked pretty brutal for most of the game. The complete inability for them to complete passes to the receivers on the outside or throw downfield is alarming.

This looks like about a 4-12, 5-11 type team to me, guys. I know some of you want to be eternal optimists, but it is going to be brutal at times this year, I am afraid.

[RickyWilliams34]

I agree. I'm thinking maybe 6-10. This o-line that was supposed to be good looked awful. Very disappointing.

[Vandy58]

When I said 8-8 I was being optimistic and I still will be. The O-line was bad. Our secondary looked like a joke. How in gods name could they give them that 2nd TD? Favre threw it in the air and prayed to god! Oh well we should beat Arizona, I hope.
Any of you people who were thinking 8-8 or better need to adjust your expectations....

This is not a good football team, regardless of the fact that they had a chance to win at the end. They had no business winning this game. They got outplayed in every facet of the game, plain and simple.

I saw some good things, mainly the pressure the defense was able to get pretty consistently. There are going to be a lot of growing pains, though. There were just too many stupid mistakes that plague young teams, and quite frankly, a lot of it just brought me back to last season.

The run defense was bad. They had too many lapses in coverage. The O line was horrible for the majority of the game, especially in pass protection. Dan Carpenter was horrid on his kickoffs. Even Fields totally shanked one. On offense, it looked pretty brutal for most of the game. The complete inability for them to complete passes to the receivers on the outside or throw downfield is alarming.

This looks like about a 4-12, 5-11 type team to me, guys. I know some of you want to be eternal optimists, but it is going to be brutal at times this year, I am afraid.

[UFCFan]

Arizona is a better team than the Dolphins. They have more talent on their roster. I'm not saying the Dolphins can't win, but it is far from any type of lock or "on paper" win.

[Vandy58]

Arizona is a better team than the Dolphins. They have more talent on their roster. I'm not saying the Dolphins can't win, but it is far from any type of lock or "on paper" win.

There are no lock wins this year. I am sure you will agree you cannot go from 1-15 and say you have "lock" wins. I hope the Fins show up against the Donks though. I will be cheering my ass off! We have only lost 3 times to them during the regular season so lets hope!

[UFCFan]

There are no lock wins this year. I am sure you will agree you cannot go from 1-15 and say you have "lock" wins. I hope the Fins show up against the Donks though. I will be cheering my ass off! We have only lost 3 times to them during the regular season so lets hope!

Trust me, if anyone is aware that there are no locks with this team, it's me. My comment was based on your comment of "oh well, we should beat Arizona". Even though you later qualified it by saying you hope, there are no "shoulds" either, sadly enough.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Vandy, your focus really should be on the invidual development of players on the Dolphins (Brown, Ginn Jr., Fasano, Crowder, Roth, etc.) that will be able to help the team down the road when they are ready to be competitive again instead of winning games in the present.

You have the wrong mindset for where this team currently is, sometimes (In cases like the 2008 Dolphins where the cupboard has been cleaned out and is empty) winning games isn't as important as finding players to put in place that will help you win games in 2010 and beyond and that's where the Dolphins are right now.

[UFCFan]

Amen. This team has completely failed to do a proper rebuild for over 20 years. Now that they are, the fans need to really temper their expectations and be patient and realistic. Anything more than 5 wins this season will be near miraculous, imo. As the losses mount, Dolphins fans are going to need to keep in mind that things seem to finally be being done the right way. We've already seen two rookies (Langford and Merling) that should be part of the core of the defense for the next 10 years step up and make plays. That's the biggest thing I took from yesterday's game. That and that the team as a whole never quit. Those are things that can be built on.

[Vandy58]

wow kurt warner went 9-9 with 230 and 2 td. Go fins :rolleyes:

[Vandy58]

wow we got a FG :rolleyes:

[Vandy58]

Henne in Pennington out. I retract my 8-8 prediction, we suck

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

What was your 8-8 prediction based on outside of homerism?

[Vandy58]

What was your 8-8 prediction based on outside of homerism?

mostly. 2 games were homer picks

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Then you can't really get mad, I know losing isn't fun but setting unrealistic expectations also isn't fun because the Dolphins aren't going to reach them.

[RickyWilliams34]

So...what week does Henne start? I'll say the tenth or eleventh game if the record continues like this.

[cochese75]

bring on Rey Rey!!




:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

Awful. Just awful. I expect them to be bad, but today was just a bit too much. I know Arizona's defense wasn't exactly playing it's hardest by the time Henne got in the game, but even still, the offense clearly looked different and he made a couple excellent throws. That said, I really hope they keep him on the bench at least until the last few games, except for some spot duty when they get blown out like today.

It was a real chore watching this game today, even for someone like me who isn't expecting too much this season.

[Vandy58]

Awful. Just awful. I expect them to be bad, but today was just a bit too much. I know Arizona's defense wasn't exactly playing it's hardest by the time Henne got in the game, but even still, the offense clearly looked different and he made a couple excellent throws. That said, I really hope they keep him on the bench at least until the last few games, except for some spot duty when they get blown out like today.

It was a real chore watching this game today, even for someone like me who isn't expecting too much this season.

:(

[RickyWilliams34]

I stopped watching at the end of the first half. As if the offense wasn't bad enough, the defense was harder to watch.

[UFCFan]

There's going to be more ugliness until they get all the pieces in place, and even more after until those pieces get some experience and are ready to play at a high level.

The roster is just so devoid of talent, and it really shows right now. They have no one explosive on offense-well, they have Ginn, but anything other than him running fast in a straight line seems almost like too much to ask. They are just horrible at WR and in the secondary. Thankfully, those two positions really haven't been addressed yet, or it would be even more embarrassing. They could really only have so much roster turnover in one offseason, especially considering the horrible shape it was already in to begin with. Someone like Andre Goodman has no business being anything other than a nickel corner at best, yet he starts on this team. Things like that are unfortunately just going to happen until they get more bodies.

[Vandy58]

I stopped actively watching after the 1st quarter. I was in "Broncos" country so I was focused more on that debacle of a game

[RickyWilliams34]

Ronnie effing Brown is back!!!!! I don't care if this isn't the same Pats team, this has been an awesome game to watch. If the Dolphins could have this consistency on both offense and defense all the time...

[Celticsfan9]

Finally had a good day, wish i coulda been at this one.

[JerseyDevil]

Thanks for the thorough ass whooping today. My lord you guys absolutely crushed and beat the living hell out of us!

[RickyWilliams34]

Thanks for the thorough ass whooping today. My lord you guys absolutely crushed and beat the living hell out of us!
Anytime :p

[mmevile]

Woohooo.....I was biting my lip back b4 the game's over -- didn't wanna jinx it. But I guess it's safe to say something now.....WOW! :eek: I knew that this team's headed in the right direction.....just needed time to mesh -- there's a lot of noobs in the team. :D

I know I've been critical of Ronnie Brown in the past, but if he keeps up what he did today....I'll definitely change my tune.
BTW, did we use every single play we had in the book today?

[Miami Mike]

This game made my day. :D

[worldsfinest]

YES YES YES YES YES.I so love the fact that The Fins handed the Pats a well deserved beating.

[ComradeFlyer]

http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/MAWT102092115_1024x768.jpg

[UFCFan]

That was a great game to watch. It was very reminiscent, for me, of the drubbing they put on the then undefeated Bears in '06.

Pennington was awesome in this game. It was seriously like night and day for him today versus the first two games. I don't care if he can throw the ball deep-if he can hit the intermediate stuff like he did today, the offense should be ok. His accuracy was spot on from the start today.

Man, it was nice just to see a win, let alone it coming against the Pats, and a total ass whipping at that.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

8-8! THEY'RE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!! zomG!

[madden821]

About time somebody put a good old fashon ass whooping on the Pats. Good job Miami.

[chucknorris666]

congrats on the win, we got our arse kicked!

[UFCFan]

8-8! THEY'RE GOING TO THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!! zomG!

Don't be an A-hole. Even fans of lousy teams deserve to be happy once in a blue moon.

[Chugga]

Great win today, as much as it sickens me to say it I was a huge Dolphins fan for today only.

[mmevile]

Best part is the Pats will be stewing in this feeling for a good 2 wks. ;)

[Vandy58]

Sorry guys would have been in here posting but I got yet another suspension. A noob comes on and makes a really stupid comment so I call him an idiot. Got suspended for 10 days. Anyway I will not be posting much at all anymore. I will keep this thread up to date though. Thanks for the good times! GO FINS!

[mmevile]

Hey they did the wildcat offense x2 already.....everytime they do, you gotta take a shot. :p Go FINS!

[Miami Mike]

10-3 Phins. Looking good from what I can see.

[Skullshine]

Congrats on the win today. You wouldn't want to trade defensive coordinators would you? :o

[ChargerChris]

Wow you guys totally owned us today. Congrats!!

[mmevile]

Woohoo......it's officially a streak now & we just improved 100% from last season. :D

[MIAMI 305]

This team could very well be 3-1 right now if it wasn't for that ugly TD pass Brett Favre threw which should have been intercepted. They might not be all there yet, but they've sure been fun to watch so far this season.

[mmevile]

This team could very well be 3-1 right now if it wasn't for that ugly TD pass Brett Favre threw which should have been intercepted. They might not be all there yet, but they've sure been fun to watch so far this season.True, the only time we didn't stay competitive is against Arizona.

[mewsh1]

Wow, it's nice to have a little hope for this team, isn't it? I will definitely take 2-2 in the first 4 with the schedule we had. Hopefully they don't have a letdown next week against the winless Texans.

[UFCFan]

This win was more impressive than the one against the Pats, imo. It was great to see them grind out the win at the end, and be able to gain a couple first downs on the ground when they needed to. The toughness of this year's team compared to last year's is night and day.

Ted Ginn is really starting to piss me off, though. He made a couple nice catches today, but the dude is just so damn soft. Two times he caught passes and decided to cut out of bounds instead of cutting inside. One of them was when he could have probably gained a first down by taking on the defenders, and the other near the end of the game would have kept the clock running as they were trying to whittle down the clock and win. I also am a bit befuddled at how slow he plays. He caught a ball early in the game on a little out or comeback route, and only had to get past the CB that was covering him, and he would have had a real nice gain down the field. Instead, he slowly turned once he caught it and ended up only gaining a yard or two from the point where he made the catch. I seriously thought it was Wilford who caught the pass for a quick second-that is how slow he looked to be going. Ginn's top end straight line speed is great, but he really shows next to no quickness or lateral moves.

Excellent game overall, though. The defense played great. They brought pressure all day even though they didn't get many sacks, and only got burned downfield once, on a ball that should have been broken up. That long pass where Rivers overthrew Vincent Jackson scared the ever loving crap out of me, though.

Ronnie was awesome again, too. Did you guys catch that pop he put on Cromartie toward the end of the game?

[MIAMI 305]

Ronnie was awesome again, too. Did you guys catch that pop he put on Cromartie toward the end of the game?

That was a thing of beauty.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

These two wins have to be sweet, not only are you guys winning games against some decent teams but some of the young players on this team are developing and showing some progress.

[mmevile]

Wow, it's nice to have a little hope for this team, isn't it? I will definitely take 2-2 in the first 4 with the schedule we had. Hopefully they don't have a letdown next week against the winless Texans.Houston is a bigtime trap of a game. They showed a pretty efficient offense today & w/ the exception of Sage making a couple of mental lapses....they should've won that game against the Colts. Plus they're still needing a win at home. Definitely a tough test despite their record.

[mmevile]

Ted Ginn is really starting to piss me off, though. He made a couple nice catches today, but the dude is just so damn soft.I agree he has been struggling....his speed is negated because he can't take the contact from the line of scrimmage. I'm trying to find out if they can incorporate him in 1 of those variations of the wildcat formation....that thing is confusing people so much that it's putting a lot of holes to run into.

[chucknorris666]

Great job at embarrassing the Bolts, wonder what L.T. and the gang will whine about this week.

[tatoman2525]

Woohoo......it's officially a streak now & we just improved 100% from last season. :D

Thank goodness:) I kind of figured they'd make a 100% improvement from last year considering all the changes that took place within the front office during the off season. The Fins are starting to play as a unit and it's starting to payoff. They have beaten 2 of the AFC's better teams convincingly. Hopefully they will continue the hot streak and win the remaining divisional games (already lost to the Jets:( once). It's nice to see some positive production finally show after an embarassing couple of seasons. GO FINS:)

[rugbyplayer11]

The only part with the wildcat off is people will figure it out sooner or later. I hope they can get stuff going without it. I only got to watch the last half of the game and they pounded it out well, but the def looked lacking at times.

[cochese75]

damn we should be 3-1 if it wasnt for Favres lame TD pass that floated 20 yrds in the air.
Oh well im happy with 2-2.



:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

Great win. I am stoked to see them in person on Nov. 2nd. GO FINS!

[UFCFan]

The only part with the wildcat off is people will figure it out sooner or later. I hope they can get stuff going without it. I only got to watch the last half of the game and they pounded it out well, but the def looked lacking at times.

That's what people said after last week too, though. The thing is, I don't really think there is any "figuring it out." It either gets stopped or it doesn't. The formation presents a lot of problems, matchup wise, for defenses. It pretty much ensures that it will be "a hat on a hat" blocking scheme wise, so really, if Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams stay patient and pick the right hole to run through, they will get positive yardage almost every single time, because really, all they have to do is beat one or two defenders to pick up a big chunk.

The Chargers were able to shut it down a couple times when they had someone fly around the corner and make a diving tackle. That's the only way it gets stopped for a loss, and that just isn't going to happen consistently enough for them to totally abandon using the formation, in my opinion.

[rugbyplayer11]

i hope that's the case.

[footballfish34]

Great win yesterday, let's hope they can get above 500 next week agaist the Texans.

Does anyone know if the Dolphins will wear a patch for their game in Toronto on December 7th?? I'm going to the game and wanted to get the patch if they have one.

[Joe F.]

Go Fins!!!

[Paul755]

Thanks for helping us get that 2 game cushion back in the AFC West fellas.

See ya in November.

[Vandy58]

I said I would rarely post on here and I meant it but that sums it up perfect!
That's what people said after last week too, though. The thing is, I don't really think there is any "figuring it out." It either gets stopped or it doesn't. The formation presents a lot of problems, matchup wise, for defenses. It pretty much ensures that it will be "a hat on a hat" blocking scheme wise, so really, if Ronnie Brown or Ricky Williams stay patient and pick the right hole to run through, they will get positive yardage almost every single time, because really, all they have to do is beat one or two defenders to pick up a big chunk.

The Chargers were able to shut it down a couple times when they had someone fly around the corner and make a diving tackle. That's the only way it gets stopped for a loss, and that just isn't going to happen consistently enough for them to totally abandon using the formation, in my opinion.

[Vandy58]

Man we played a great game, well most of it. We gave that damn game away! I am glad to see the wildcat is still working but use the passing part a little more often. Defense looked tired at the end and of course that cost us the game. Tuff loss! :(

[UFCFan]

It happens. A bounce of the ball or one play decides a lot of games in the NFL. I was initially very upset, just because they were on a roll, and for a team that has been so bad lately, every win is humongous, especially ones they could/should theoretically have won.

That completion to Andre Johnson on 4th down at the end of the game was near miraculous for Houston. On the replay, you could clearly see the ball going in and out of Yeremiah Bell's arms, and Johnson was able to pluck it away. If that drops, the game is over. If Andre Goodman is a tenth of a second earlier on the play before, he has an INT to ice the game instead of the ball hitting the ground. On the other hand, the Dolphins got lucky too. If Camarillo didn't jar the ball loose for the fumble after Pennington threw the pick, the Dolphins wouldn't have even been in position to win it in the first place.

There was some questionable playcalling at times, particularly on a couple 3rd and 1 situations, and the pass defense was real bad at times, especially on that long completion to Kevin Walter at the end. Oh well, thems the breaks. At least the team is competitive this season, and they look to be in good shape for the future.

[MIAMI 305]

The Texans were giving us that game on a silver platter and we wouldn't take it. Shame.

[mmevile]

The Texans were giving us that game on a silver platter and we wouldn't take it. Shame.True, I'm pretty bummed myself. But, I'm not disappointed; despite the loss it's such a refreshing thing to see us competing again. This is night & day vs. last year & imo we're actually quite ahead of the learning curve that we knew this season would be. Houston was a good winless team (I know that's a bit of an oxymoron) going into this game. They can move the ball & our weakness in the secondary hasn't been exposed yet....at least we were able to hide it in our wins. I'm pretty amazed the frequency that they're going w/ the wildcat formation still....but Houston seems the most prepared for this offense out of everyone we've faced thus far. That means people are definitely preparing....nice to see some more base offense allowing us to move the ball rather than constantly relying on gimmicks. But I'm not complaining if it works. :D

[MIAMI 305]

our weakness in the secondary hasn't been exposed yet....

I'd say it got pretty exposed against the Jets and the Cardinals. For some reason New England and San Diego didn't throw too many deep balls. I'm guessing our future opponents will try to as much as possible, though.

[RickyWilliams34]

There's no question the secondary is the achilles heel of this team. If they get thrown on, they lose. Simple as that. Very surprised teams don't go deep at least 5 times a game against the Dolphins.

On another note, why isn't Ginn doing kickoff or punt returns. He's barely being used as a WR and he showed promise as a return man last year. I like Bess but he's not as polished as Ginn is returning kicks.

[tatoman2525]

There's no question the secondary is the achilles heel of this team. If they get thrown on, they lose. Simple as that. Very surprised teams don't go deep at least 5 times a game against the Dolphins.

On another note, why isn't Ginn doing kickoff or punt returns. He's barely being used as a WR and he showed promise as a return man last year. I like Bess but he's not as polished as Ginn is returning kicks.

agree on both points

[Goalkeeper]

damn that was a tough ending to that game! :(

[guyute0147]

Ed Hochuli and his staff should just be sent home the rest of the season. Why didn't they review the fumble that Porter caused on the QB during the final drive? His arm was not going forward....yet they chose to review the interception by Goodman and reversed that. But like it's been said here...we had chances and we blew it in the end. The long pass to Walter was the killer I think. They were still pinned back pretty far with very little time left and that put them right there. I also think the coaching staff will have a LB spying on the QB next time we get put in a situation like that. How in the hell do you rush four people and spread out the rest of the D all over the field except the middle. If an idiot like me is screaming out "watch the QB sneak" with a wing in my hand and drunk... how does a professional sober football coach not think this is a possibility? OK, I'm fine. Still happy about being competitive every week unlike last year.

[Smbdyfnkillme]

Why didn't they review the fumble that Porter caused on the QB during the final drive? His arm was not going forward.....

What game were you watching? His arm was clearly going forward. That's why they didn't review it.

[cochese75]

oh man that hurt. I was expecting the QB sneak on 3rd down. :mad::(




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[UFCFan]

What game were you watching? His arm was clearly going forward. That's why they didn't review it.

Yeah, it was definitely going forward. Not by all that much, but clearly enough to be 100% sure that it was an incomplete pass and not a fumble.

[Vandy58]

What game were you watching? His arm was clearly going forward. That's why they didn't review it.

Everything that I saw showed he was going forward so I agree

[MIAMI 305]

WOW! Ted Ginn finally decided to stop being a wimp and use his talent today! An awesome game all around today.

[UFCFan]

They got lucky with those turnovers and the safety. I'm ecstatic that they beat the Bills, but aside from Pennington and Ginn, no one looked very good on offense today. The O Line got beaten badly at the point of attack all day. The defense had some timely plays, but the secondary is just a nightmare. Every time an opposing QB throws a pass over 10 yards, it's an adventure out there. None of their DB's, Will Allen included, seem to have a clue about positioning or ball skills. The Bills don't even have big receivers, either, which has been the real achilles heel of the secondary. You just get the feeling that any time a long pass is in the air, the receiver is more than likely going to come down with it.

Great, great effort from Joey Porter today, btw. They wouldn't have won if it wasn't for him playing balls to the wall and refusing to quit on plays.

[MIAMI 305]

Great, great effort from Joey Porter today, btw. They wouldn't have won if it wasn't for him playing balls to the wall and refusing to quit on plays.

Joey is looking not only like a pro bowler and an all-pro, but also like true candidate for DPOY.

[mmevile]

WOW! Ted Ginn finally decided to stop being a wimp and use his talent today! An awesome game all around today.Who is this Ted Ginn Jr you speak of......is he a rookie? ;) :p
Seriously, it's nice to see his impact on the game. Good job by the secondary also. It's pretty amazing how a 1 or 2 facets of our game decides to win us the game, if we figure out how to put all those cylinders in place.....we would be wicked good. Prob still don't currently have the talent, but who's to say that this crew doesn't blossom into that talent we're looking for next year.

[mmevile]

BTW it's a refreshing pace to see the Fins trying to keep the other team from scoring in the late 4th & securing a win...........rather than, trying to score to win a ballgame. ;)

[MIAMI 305]

BTW it's a refreshing pace to see the Fins trying to keep the other team from scoring in the late 4th & securing a win...........rather than, trying to score to win a ballgame. ;)

Seriously. I was still pretty damn nervous towards the end, though.

[Vandy58]

Porter looked awesome. I agree with UFC, o-line was bad, hell D-line did not do all that much better! Ginn finally pulled his head out of his ass and we got to see what he can do! I am stoked for Sunday!!!! GO FINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mmevile]

What are the odds that Ted Ginn comes close to this weeks performance.....next week? ;)

[mmevile]

Nice to be back at .500 again........no thanks to special teams. :rolleyes:
It's awesome to see the secondary getting better by the week. This was supposed to be the MAJOR area of concern for us.....still is, but at least they're improving. And the defense did a good job harassing Cutler today. Did anyone see Joey Porter ribbing Jay....pretty funny?

[MIAMI 305]

We let them hang around for too long but thankfully it didn't end like the Texans game. Defense played big all night.

[mmevile]

We let them hang around for too long but thankfully it didn't end like the Texans game. Defense played big all night.I agree......what's up w/ all these nailbiters. But you gotta love our chances from any future close games since our "W"s are against high-quality teams. ;) It's nice to see Coach Tony Soprano so animated in the sidelines. :D

[Random Task]

The San Diego Chargers and their fans thank you!

[Goalkeeper]

What a great game yesterday!

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

With a bunch of winnable games I have to wonder...Do our Fins make a puch for the Division?? Sea Oak NE STL next four. Then still have KC and SF plus Buf and the Jets. I could see easily 10-6 11-5. with us being 2-1 in division we can take this thing!

[UFCFan]

I still say they fall short of the playoffs, but with their remaining schedule, I guess anything is possible. Regardless of what happens, every Dolphins fan should be very pleased with where the team appears to be headed.

[Vandy58]

WHAT A GAME TO BE AT!!! I talked so much ****. I was yelled at multiple times! Had a great time! I am very happen with this season thus far! Not much else to say, GO FINS!

[Vandy58]

I will add the Donky media is cracking me up. The past 2 years Jay Culter is the second coming, even better than Elway. Now they want to get rid of him!

[Paul755]

I will add the Donky media is cracking me up. The past 2 years Jay Culter is the second coming, even better than Elway. Now they want to get rid of him!Nobody wants to get rid of Cutler, take off the teal glasses. They want to know what the hell is wrong with him. Did the early success go to his head (I think that's part of it) is he maybe still hurt or is he in a bad place with his diabetes (I think that's part of it too) I mean all of a sudden he's making questionable decisions and making some really bad throws.

And really the only one that said Cutler is better than Elway...was Cutler.

Props on the win though. Who woke up Joey Porter. Dude has sucked for 2 years and all of a sudden he's a beast.

And even you have to admit...that offensive PI call on Marshall was horrible.

[UFCFan]

I don't think the offensive PI call was bad at all. By the books, that is offensive PI. The only problem here is that it is a discretionary thing, and it's up to the ref to call it or not. The fact that pushoffs like that don't get called a lot of times doesn't suddenly make it not pass interference. It honestly could have gone either way, and it just happened to be called this time.

Denver lost the game yesterday primarily because they couldn't run the ball to save their lives. Their O line got manhandled at the point of attack all day. They were pretty solid in pass pro, but they got handed their asses against the run. Cutler made some great throws, but he was victimized by dropped passes and, because the run game was non-existant, the Miami secondary was able to key on the pass pretty much all game long.

All that being said, they were only really in the game in the first place because the Dolphins let them hang around with their inability to score touchdowns instead of field goals.

[Paul755]

The PI was ticky tacky at best.

And yeah mad props to the defense for shutting down the running game.

[Vandy58]

Nobody wants to get rid of Cutler, take off the teal glasses. They want to know what the hell is wrong with him. Did the early success go to his head (I think that's part of it) is he maybe still hurt or is he in a bad place with his diabetes (I think that's part of it too) I mean all of a sudden he's making questionable decisions and making some really bad throws.

And really the only one that said Cutler is better than Elway...was Cutler.



And even you have to admit...that offensive PI call on Marshall was horrible.

AM 1510 that is all they could cry about today. Both fans and the guy taking the calls. I only had it on because of last nights AVS game. Paul I keep on saying it and it continues to be true, the bronco qb's are worshiped, compared to elway, then tank, and then most fans and media want them gone. Plummer is a perfect example!

As for the PI call on Marshall, I did not see any replays, naturally being at the game. When I got home I checked it out and I will say probably should not have been called IF it was reviewable. Refs has a split second to review it. If you were at the game or did not look at a replay and just judge of off real time, it WAS pass interference. When you view a replay you realize Jason Allen might have a career after football, acting!:D

I will also add it goes both ways Paul, San Diego ring a bell? You can say all you want they could have stoped the 4th down, they could have stoped the 2 pt, point is they were tired and those plays NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED. What goes around comes around! Plus you guys are in the WORST division in football right now. You will probably go 8-8 and win the division!

[MIAMI 305]

take off the teal glasses.

The Dolphins wear aqua, not teal. ;)

[mmevile]

See you later, Derek Hagan (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolsign110608,0,5908888.story).