DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 5-5 SEASON: RUN RICKY RUN, 119 YARDS, 2 TD'S, 1 REC. TD!

[mmevile]

Nice ball batted down in the endzone to prevent the 2pt conversion.....YES! :D

[SeattleMariners51445]

You guys barely beat us, that's pretty sad. We had how many drops?

[mmevile]

You guys barely beat us, that's pretty sad. We had how many drops?....and we were the worst team last year & you guys made the playoffs, what's your point? :p

[mmevile]

BTW, Sparano has to win 'coach of the year' hands down.

[MIAMI 305]

You guys barely beat us, that's pretty sad. We had how many drops?

A win is a win. Sorry your team didn't get slaughtered today. You have my deepest condolences...

[SeattleMariners51445]

A win is a win. Sorry your team didn't get slaughtered today. You have my deepest condolences...
Gotta love the out of nowhere over-confident, arrogant Dolphins fans.

[SeattleMariners51445]

....and we were the worst team last year & you guys made the playoffs, what's your point? :p
You're still the worst in your division, I don't see much of a difference this year.;)

[MIAMI 305]

Gotta love the out of nowhere over-confident, arrogant Dolphins fans.

How was I being over-confident and arrogant? You seemed upset your team didn't get destroyed today and I was giving you condolences.

You're still the worst in your division, I don't see much of a difference this year.;)

Our 2-1division record says otherwise...

[Miami Mike]

You're still the worst in your division, I don't see much of a difference this year.;)


Actually that accusation belongs to the Bills.

[cochese75]

You guys barely beat us, that's pretty sad. We had how many drops?

Is there going to be an * next to the W saying barely won??? :confused:



Thanks for playing

:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

You're still the worst in your division, I don't see much of a difference this year.;)

Why are you coming in here talking a gang of crap, dude? Especially after your team lost the game. Learn how to accept defeat graciously. You're always so quick to whine about people picking on the Seahawks, yet they lose a game they really had no business being in, and you have to come into a Dolphins-specific thread, where not a single person made any cracks about the Seahawks after the game mind you, and start attacking? Grow up, man.

[RickyWilliams34]

If you can't see a difference between last years Dolphins and this years you're a complete idiot...

[SeattleMariners51445]

Why are you coming in here talking a gang of crap, dude? Especially after your team lost the game. Learn how to accept defeat graciously. You're always so quick to whine about people picking on the Seahawks, yet they lose a game they really had no business being in, and you have to come into a Dolphins-specific thread, where not a single person made any cracks about the Seahawks after the game mind you, and start attacking? Grow up, man.
Where was I whining about anything Seahawks related? I know we suck and accept it. I wasn't even talking crap, notice the use of the ";)" face to represent me joking. All I said was that it's funny that you guys kept us in the game so long and nearly lost it with seconds remaining because of how poorly we played and have been playing and how all you Dolphins fans think you're SB bound, that's all. If that was smack talking then I don't know what is these days because that was nothing. No attacks, no nothing, you guys are awfully sensitive for the miracle turnaround team that you guys have been boasting about.

[RickyWilliams34]

Seattle, I'd love to see you point out where any one of us said we have a shot at the Superbowl.

[SeattleMariners51445]

Seattle, I'd love to see you point out where any one of us said we have a shot at the Superbowl.
I was exagerrating but you get the point.

[cochese75]

nope dont get your point...




:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

Give him a break. He's probably just bitter because none of the teams in Seattle have ever won anything and they just lost the Sonics.

I couldn't care less. I just find it utterly absurd that he has the audacity to say any fans are being sensitive or exaggerating to the point of saying "SB bound!" when he is constantly getting all butt hurt over innocuous comments on a message board about his favorite team. Glass houses, dude......

[mmevile]

You're still the worst in your division, I don't see much of a difference this year.;)This coming from a team in the best division in football. :rolleyes:

[MIAMI 305]

I couldn't care less.

Me neither. :D

[mmevile]

I can see them letting go of 2-3 people during the week from special teams just to shake those left behind......they are god-awfully terrible.

[UFCFan]

I can see them letting go of 2-3 people during the week from special teams just to shake those left behind......they are god-awfully terrible.

Yeah, they really are. That was supposed to be one of the main areas they targeted to upgrade last offseason, too. At least they finally wised up and put Ginn back on kickoff returns, but the coverage units are just atrocious, and Carpenter and Fields often don't do them any favors, either.

[MIAMI 305]

Carpenter and Fields often don't do them any favors, either.

Seeing Olindo's Kickoff that nearly went into the stands today made me wish he was still on our side.

[mmevile]

Seeing Olindo's Kickoff that nearly went into the stands today made me wish he was still on our side.I don't know, I happen to like Carpenter & I think he's actually the best rookie we have.

[UFCFan]

I don't know, I happen to like Carpenter & I think he's actually the best rookie we have.

He has been impressive for a rookie kicker, but he honestly hasn't been asked to do much so far, and has yet to have a pressure type situation for a FG. The distance on his kickoffs has really been lacking, though. As far as rookies on the team go, I'd put Langford, Long, and even Merling well above Carpenter so far.

[mmevile]

He has been impressive for a rookie kicker, but he honestly hasn't been asked to do much so far, and has yet to have a pressure type situation for a FG.I'm actually kinda glad we haven't had to resort to this yet. ;)

[Vandy58]

Who in gods name that is a Fins fan said superbowl bound? Nobody in here! I said 8-8 in the pre-season then went back on that after week 2! I love it we have had a lot more sucess this year and we are getting attacked! Awesome!

[mmevile]

It took me watching the replays of the highlights now to realize how awesome of a play that flea-flicker was to Ginn in the endzone. :eek: I honestly don't know how Ginn got that ball in heavy coverage but the throw was so perfect.

[Vandy58]

It took me watching the replays of the highlights now to realize how awesome of a play that flea-flicker was to Ginn in the endzone. :eek: I honestly don't know how Ginn got that ball in heavy coverage but the throw was so perfect.

They showed it over and over again on replay and my buddy and I were shocked! That catch and that throw were perfect!

I wonder what UFC did? Ben "Sheriff John Brown" Vance suspended him?

[cochese75]

It took me watching the replays of the highlights now to realize how awesome of a play that flea-flicker was to Ginn in the endzone. :eek: I honestly don't know how Ginn got that ball in heavy coverage but the throw was so perfect.

and the replay showed Camarillo was wide open, luckily CP is accurate and TG caught it. :D



:spawnorb:

[MIAMI 305]

Whew! Another game that they should have been dominated, but a win is a win and I'll take it. 6-4 and second place in the division! Woot!

[mmevile]

Whew! Another game that they should have been dominated, but a win is a win and I'll take it. 6-4 and second place in the division! Woot!

it's technically a dominating win because between the bs call on the interferance & I'm conviced right now that the special team is actually purposely sabotaging the year.....that's 10 pts we spotted the Raiders. ;)

[Vandy58]

Whew! Another game that they should have been dominated, but a win is a win and I'll take it. 6-4 and second place in the division! Woot!

Raiders are terrible, we should have dominated them! Oh well like you said a win is a win! Even if we lose out any fins fan should be happy with the season! GO FINS!

[mmevile]

He has been impressive for a rookie kicker, but he honestly hasn't been asked to do much so far, and has yet to have a pressure type situation for a FG. The distance on his kickoffs has really been lacking, though. As far as rookies on the team go, I'd put Langford, Long, and even Merling well above Carpenter so far.Not the most extreme pressure/distance but kudos for Carpenter to kick the winning fieldgoal vs the Raiders for the win.

[RickyWilliams34]

This secondary should be ashamed of themselves. They are collectively holding this team back from joining the group of very good teams. It's sickening to watch them give up big play after big play. They really let Pennington down this afternoon.

[mmevile]

Too bad about the loss, but once the Pats lose next week & we win vs. the Rams....we'll be tied again in 2nd place. ;)

[tatoman2525]

The Pats were unstoppable in the second half. It was a tough and frustrating loss. A win yesterday would have been huge for the Fins. Either way, however the season may end from here on out, I'm very satisfied with the improvements that this team has made during this season on both sides of the ball. There still plenty of improvement needed, but the Fins are nothing in comparison to last year's team. Last season was just horrendous for us Fins fans. The turnaround has been more than above expectations at this point. I'm very optimistic for the future of the franchise:)

[mmevile]

Not to mention that "blatant" offensive pass inter by Moss netted a TD for them -- lousy call by the refs. I'm glad it's not the beating that we handed them on the 1st meeting. ;) I'm still happy w/ how it turned out -- I knew the Pats would be jacked to see us again.

[RickyWilliams34]

Camirillo out for the season. Huge blow to the team.

[Vandy58]

Camirillo out for the season. Huge blow to the team.


@#%^@$%&#$^*E$^!@#$%@#%^#%^*$*@$#%^@#^. He signs a 3 year extension and get injured! Damnit!

[Goalkeeper]

I had to leave at half time because I had a game. Wasn't surprised they lost but was shocked to see it was so one-sided.

Camarillo out of the season sucks!

[UFCFan]

I was very impressed with the way the team kept fighting back. In the past, they would have easily collapsed at the first real sign of adversity. The defense did kinda quit in the last 5 minutes, but the final score isn't indicative of how close the game was for most of the way.

I'm still quite pleased with how this season is turning out. The bottom line is that it is a team still really short on talent, yet they are competing week in and week out.

[mmevile]

How come no one's been cut yet from special team? :mad: I've been waiting for that message to be sent to that squad & nothing.....:confused:

[MIAMI 305]

How come no one's been cut yet from special team? :mad: I've been waiting for that message to be sent to that squad & nothing.....:confused:

I guess cuz there's nobody to replace them with. Although you could argue that a 4 year old girl can cover better than them.

[mmevile]

I guess cuz there's nobody to replace them with. Although you could argue that a 4 year old girl can cover better than them.Let's go sign her up then. :p

[mmevile]

The Longs are against one another today.....interesting to see the 1st & 2nd pick of last year's draft go at it. :)

[MIAMI 305]

Another nail-biting win against a crappy team. Can they just beat the snot out of the Bills next week??? Please?

[RickyWilliams34]

Really need the Steelers to come through today. Would also be nice if Denver could hold onto the lead.

[mmevile]

Thank You Denver & Steelers -- nice to see a blowout on both games. We're back in 2nd place. :D

[footballfish34]

I sure hope the Dolphins beat the crap out of the Bills this weekend since I'll be at the game. I'm 0-2 seeing the Bills/Dolphins game.

[Goalkeeper]

I was at the Rams/Fins game yesterday... the Fins fans represented VERY WELL and was surprised at the turnout!!

While it was fun to be at the game it was a real snoozer!! Talk about some ugly football! :)

Here's hoping we can take out the Bills next week!

[tatoman2525]

Another nail-biting win against a crappy team. Can they just beat the snot out of the Bills next week??? Please?

It seems to me that they are playing at the level of their opponents. Most of their wins (and loses with the exception of the two games against New England) have all been rather close. Hell, even last week against the Pats, they were exchanging the lead back and forth until the last quarter, just about when the s**** just hit the fan. They play a mediocre team, they play a mediocre game. They play a decent team, they play a good game.

Good deal that the Jets lost and the Steelers won yesterday. Keeps us in the hunt:). It's just awesome to see a team that went 1-16 last year actually have a shot at the playoffs this year. GO FINS!!

[mmevile]

Well, lookee....lookee here. We've got a 3-way tie for 1st place in the division thanks to a Jets loss. Also, thx for nothing Seattle. :rolleyes:
Carpenter is a STUD!! :)

[Miami Mike]

At worst we are 8-8 that just makes my year. :D What an improvement!!!

[cochese75]

woot!woot!


Enjoy being last in the East Buffalo



:spawnorb:

[Goalkeeper]

We would have lost that game had it been played outdoors in Buffalo!

Happens EVERY year!

Thanks, Toronto! :)

[Goalkeeper]

I smell a road trip to K.C. to watch my Fins take on the Chiefs!!!

[mmevile]

Good weekend overall for a Fins fan!!
- Fins win over Buffalo.
- Pats almost lost.....again, thx for choking Seattle.
- Jets lose.


Oh, more importantly Nick "Satan" lost to UF -- nothing against the Alabama kids, but you're coach is the devil. :p

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

We would have lost that game had it been played outdoors in Buffalo!

Happens EVERY year!

Thanks, Toronto! :)

It doesn't matter where this game took place, the Dolphins would still win. People who think that the location directly affected the outcome of the game haven't been watching the Bills from week 7 on.

[Goalkeeper]

It doesn't matter where this game took place, the Dolphins would still win. People who think that the location directly affected the outcome of the game haven't been watching the Bills from week 7 on.


How long you been a Dolphins fan?!?!? ;)

We've lost EVERY YEAR since 1791 to Buffalo IN Buffalo in the month of December! :D

No matter how good the Dolphins are...

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Meh, I refuse to believe that the Bills would beat the Dolphins in Buffalo the way they've been playing. You do realize that the Bills have lost home games to the Browns and 49ers this year, right?

[GoNiners]

Good win this week for you guys and hope you guys and the 49ers have a good game next week.

Congratulations on the great turn around season. Whatever Parcells and Sprano are doing is working.

[Bill]

Nothing would be better for Pennington than to help the Dolphins win the division week 17 in the Meadowlands, rub it in the faces of the Jets and their fans (who cheered when he got hurt last year)

[Goalkeeper]

Meh, I refuse to believe that the Bills would beat the Dolphins in Buffalo the way they've been playing. You do realize that the Bills have lost home games to the Browns and 49ers this year, right?


I'm just saying it's a relief to finally beat the Bills in December when we're not at home considering how heavily weighted history is against the Fins.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Yeah, I hear ya bro. Anyways enjoy the win.

[MIAMI 305]

Nice to see them sweep a team after what seems like 64656543215789754 years.

[Vandy58]

At worst we are 8-8 that just makes my year. :D What an improvement!!!

I predicted 8-8 and UFC called me a HOmer. After the first 2 games I retracted! Who would think that it was possible or is at minimum a fact now! Insane if we win out we win the Division reguardless of anybody else in the division! GO FINS!

[Chugga]

Of course I can say sweep.....I've said it numerous times over the last 5 years...mainly you were on the receiving end of it.

[Vandy58]

5 years? Try 2, and in the words of you "I don't care about last season, that is in the past"! GO FINS!

[Goalkeeper]

Of course I can say sweep.....I've said it numerous times over the last 5 years...mainly you were on the receiving end of it.

hahahahahaha!

nice!

what's your take on Edwards?

Is he the future? While people love to pile on JP, at least he historically was always able to:

a) involve Evans
b) make huge plays with Evans

I personally always liked JP even though he wasn't the future...

[Chugga]

5 years? Try 2, and in the words of you "I don't care about last season, that is in the past"! GO FINS!

I've got 2 words for you......

Chad Pennington

You better celebrate these victories while you can. Because lets be honest you're only a year or 2 away from yet another Post-Dan Marino QB search.

[Chugga]

hahahahahaha!

nice!

what's your take on Edwards?

Is he the future? While people love to pile on JP, at least he historically was always able to:

a) involve Evans
b) make huge plays with Evans

I personally always liked JP even though he wasn't the future...

I was a huge fan of Trent Edwards until a few weeks ago. I don't mind losing football games we are a very young football team so it's bound to happen. I just like to see progress.

And that Cleveland game shook my faith in Edwards being a true NFL QB. He had a couple fluke INT's but that doesn't bother me at all...that stuff happens....but when he refused to throw a ball past the line of scrimmage for the next 3 quarters and only checked down to Lynch/Jackson I lost alot of my faith in him. ALOT

You're an NFL QB!! **** is going to happen, things aren't always going to go your way. But you can't roll up into a ball and cry about it. Also alot of people point to the fact that "oh my god he's so clutch in the 4th quarter" but when you don't really accomplish a damn thing the first 3 quarters offensively and your defense just luckily keeps you in the game that doesn't make you a good QB.

[Vandy58]

I've got 2 words for you......

Chad Pennington

You better celebrate these victories while you can. Because lets be honest you're only a year or 2 away from yet another Post-Dan Marino QB search.

Pennington is just a band aid on a boo boo. We all know that and I do not think we would deny that. As for post Marino QB search yep it has been hard times, 13 since Marino, how many since Kelly?:p

[Goalkeeper]

Pennington is just a band aid on a boo boo. We all know that and I do not think we would deny that. As for post Marino QB search yep it has been hard times, 13 since Marino, how many since Kelly?:p


TOTALLY AGREE!!

Pennington is nothing more than a stop-gap measure for this season and possibly next. I love him for what he's done and have grown very, very fond of Chad. I always kinda rooted for him (like his style) and appreciate what he's done for this team.

From everything I've read Henne is the future and Parcells is very high on him. We just need Chad to bridge that gap.

And it's about time, too. We've got Beck and Henne... one of those guys better 'be the one.' I'm sick of retreads and never-were's.

[mmevile]

I've got 2 words for you......

Chad Pennington

You better celebrate these victories while you can. Because lets be honest you're only a year or 2 away from yet another Post-Dan Marino QB search.Henne is "marinating" quite nicely.....no need to worry. ;)

BTW, I'm liking the fact that everyone's not giving a chance to the Fins between the 3 tied right now. GOOD -- I prefer that type of treatment. It seems that these guys play better w/ a chip on their shoulder.

[Vandy58]

Wow to think I thought this team was a 8-8 team but my god I was wrong! We will finish with a winning record!!!! GO FINS!

[MIAMI 305]

9-5 baby! I was there in section 409 screaming and cheering my butt off the whole time. Props to the fan that ran out on the field and gave our defense a much needed rest!

[Miami Mike]

Wow to think I thought this team was a 8-8 team but my god I was wrong! We will finish with a winning record!!!! GO FINS!


Merry Christmas to US. Only if the stupid bills could have hung on to the ball. :mad: :)

[mmevile]

Merry Christmas to US. Only if the stupid bills could have hung on to the ball. :mad: :)Yup, I was pretty dissappointed w/ that Jets win myself. :( But, all we can do is take care of our business & let whatever sort it out in the end. Either way, ugly or not....I'm enjoying these victory Mondays. :D

[Vandy58]

Yup, I was pretty dissappointed w/ that Jets win myself. :( But, all we can do is take care of our business & let whatever sort it out in the end. Either way, ugly or not....I'm enjoying these victory Mondays. :D

You hit it on the head, for the first time in how long we control our destiny? We do not need to depend on teams winning or losing, we win our last 2 and WE win the division. Awesome stuff. Even if it does not work out in our favor I think Sparono is a lock on coach of the year and I could not be happier with the team this season! GO FINS!

[Hateohiostate]

I don't hear snickers anymore when I wear my gear. :)
Honestly, I had to question Tuna's methods in the beginning, but things seem to be working.

[footballfish34]

I think coach of the year goes to Mike Smith.

I would love it if Pennington could go into NY and keep the Jets out of the playoffs, a big FU to all the Jets fans that didn't support him.

[fastlane22]

I think coach of the year goes to Mike Smith.

I would love it if Pennington could go into NY and keep the Jets out of the playoffs, a big FU to all the Jets fans that didn't support him.

I just want you to keep posting in every thread so I see her more often.

[MIAMI 305]

Win and we're in! Hopefully they get some payback on the Jets.

[Riddler]

Nice rebound year for you guys-congrats

[mmevile]

Love Mondays lately. :D We're 1 payback win away from (all of a sudden) becoming Cinderella for the post season. ;) Life's sweet!

[Goalkeeper]

I think coach of the year goes to Mike Smith.

I would love it if Pennington could go into NY and keep the Jets out of the playoffs, a big FU to all the Jets fans that didn't support him.

Agreed.

Because Favre is so much better than Pennington at this juncture of his career! :rolleyes:

[footballfish34]

4:15 on Sunday, let's go Dolphins!!!

We'll face Baltimore or NE depending on what happens on Sunday.

[mmevile]

I asked Santa for a win this Sunday vs. the Jets......I've been good this year, it's going to happen. ;) Happy Holidays everyone! :D

[mewsh1]

WOOHOO!!!! AFC EAST CHAMPS!!!

[Miami Mike]

Merry Christmas, Phin Fans!!!!!!!

[cochese75]

woot!woot!

Not only did we beat the Jets we denied the Patriots a playoff spot :D




:spawnorb:

[MIAMI 305]

Woooooooooooooooooooo! I almost forgot what it was like to see them in the playoffs.

[Vandy58]

I am in disbelief right now!!! GO FINS!

[Attack2000]

Dolphins are in, and better yet, The pats AND Jets are both out. Party on.

[bluemacaw2]

Congrats!!!! See you in a few weeks Joey!!! ;)

[Vandy58]

Congrats!!!! See you in a few weeks Joey!!! ;)

How will you get there with out ben recklessbiker?

[bluemacaw2]

How will you get there with out ben recklessbiker?

tests were negative for the man with the metal plates in his face!!! We don't need him anyways...just be ready!!!

[mmevile]

I asked Santa for a win this Sunday vs. the Jets......I've been good this year, it's going to happen. ;) Happy Holidays everyone! :DOh Santa.....you listened to me. :D THANKS!!

Now, let's set the mood........here it is (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlMnfHqPefY).
WOOOHOOOOO!!!!

[exanimate]

I'm not a Dolphins fan, but as a big Pennington fan, I am ecstatic. Truly a class act and as a huge Marshall fan, I love to see all of the players from Marshall do well.

[worldsfinest]

YES. go fins.

[mmevile]

That Phillip Merling move is AMAZING!!
Big guy has moves -- not only did he pick that pass clean but then he's shuffling the ball left & right away from the defender (protecting it) all throughout the endzone. There are running backs in the league that doesn't even have that mindset. :D

[UFCFan]

That Phillip Merling move is AMAZING!!
Big guy has moves -- not only did he pick that pass clean but then he's shuffling the ball left & right away from the defender (protecting it) all throughout the endzone. There are running backs in the league that doesn't even have that mindset. :D

That was the play of the game. I was totally noticing him switching the ball to the other hand both times a Jets player got near him, too. I also can't help but notice how much both he and Kendall Langford seemed to hit the proverbial rookie wall midway through the season, which isn't surprising given: a) how grueling the offseason training program was said to be, and b)their bodies were still used to the shorter college season. I really can't wait to see what both those guys can do in the future, though. They look like excellent picks so far.

[Vandy58]

You have to love the others in my other thread! I hope the Fins go all the way but even if they do not this was one hell of a season and we have something to celebrate reguardless. GO FINS!

[tatoman2525]

Wow! What a turnaround season here in MIA:) I remember thinking to myself in the beginning of this season of how happy I would be if this team won just 3 games this season:D But to win the division and get into the playoffs (with a home game;))for the first time in 7 years is just way over my expectations! Congrats to the FINS and Dol-FANS on a phenomenal season. The ride is not over just yet and the future looks very promising for our team:)

[fatboy11722]

Go Fins Woo Hoo. I bet the Cowboys wish they still had Parcells and Sparano. I kinda feel bad for Jason Taylor though. Wanted to be traded to a contending team????

[mmevile]

I kinda feel bad for Jason Taylor though. Wanted to be traded to a contending team????As for JTaylor, he's got no one to blame but himself for wanting to bolt -- the new coaching staff still wanted him w/ the team. Who I feel bad for is Zach esp. what he had to endure in Dallas. :( I'm sure both would really want to reverse time & stay w/ the team just for the pure enjoyment those guys are having in the field nowadays.

[mmevile]

This is an AMAZING year for Fins fans!! I was extemely happy already just by the team being part of the post-season, but now we get to see Nick Satan got bent over & blasted by Utah 31-17. :D
How does that feel Saban?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/11/17/t1_saban.jpg

[Miami Mike]

I'm glad he got what he deserved. :)


This is an AMAZING year for Fins fans!! I was extemely happy already just by the team being part of the post-season, but now we get to see Nick Satan got bent over & blasted by Utah 31-17. :D
How does that feel Saban?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/images/11/17/t1_saban.jpg

[mmevile]

Wow, that was painful to watch. :(

On a good note: Wayne has officially made a statement saying that Parcells is back next year. Let's hope he finds us a more dependable running back than Ronnie Brown. ;) Ronnie.....6 yrds is your longest, really? :rolleyes: Oh, I almost forgot: we only won 1 game last year........yup, feel much better already. :D

[Attack2000]

It was tough to watch, hopefully its a learning experience. Even though the team went 11-5, there is still alot of work to do, alot of improving to do, and with Parcells staying that makes it more likely to occur. It was a fun season, it was nice to look forward to a playoff game finally.

[tatoman2525]

Yesterday's game was like reminiscing last season. What painful memories:(. I was just shocked on how many turnovers the Fins had. The Ravens are always a tough team and they came ready to play. I just wasn't expecting the physical ass kicking to be so embarrasing. Either way, I find myself being a little selfish and ungrateful at this moment. I mean, they did have a winning season, won their division, and reached the playoffs for the first time in 7 years:) Regardless of yesterday's frustrating defeat, I'm glad I cheered my team to victory for most of the season:) Go FINS!! and much luck to the Ravens

[UFCFan]

Wow, that was painful to watch. :(

On a good note: Wayne has officially made a statement saying that Parcells is back next year. Let's hope he finds us a more dependable running back than Ronnie Brown. ;) Ronnie.....6 yrds is your longest, really? :rolleyes: Oh, I almost forgot: we only won 1 game last year........yup, feel much better already. :D

Give the guy a break. It was his first year coming off of a serious injury and he still came close to hitting 1,000 yards. Considering all that, and how few carries he got, I think he did fine. Having their top 2 guards out didn't help matters, either. There's nothing wrong with averaging 4.3 yards per carry.

Brown isn't going to be Adrian Peterson, but RB is not a problem area on this team at all. Their primary focus this offseason should be on getting pass rushers, a good run stopper in the middle, and upgrading the overall talent at LB and in the secondary. Another WR would be nice as well.

[mmevile]

Give the guy a break. It was his first year coming off of a serious injury and he still came close to hitting 1,000 yards. Considering all that, and how few carries he got, I think he did fine. Having their top 2 guards out didn't help matters, either. There's nothing wrong with averaging 4.3 yards per carry.

Brown isn't going to be Adrian Peterson, but RB is not a problem area on this team at all. Their primary focus this offseason should be on getting pass rushers, a good run stopper in the middle, and upgrading the overall talent at LB and in the secondary. Another WR would be nice as well.See that's where we differ: you say give the guy a break but next yr is going to be his 4th year already, in the NFL that's a LOT! Forget Peterson, Ronnie's not even top 2 (maybe 3) rb in the afc. 4 yrds per carry, I seriously question that average -- he's prob not even doing that. You're forgetting the fact that this guy was a 2nd pick overall. The fact that we came up w/ the Wildcat offense is a direct result of a non-existent running game. Not saying he's not the sole reason why that part of the offense is not working, but he's still a big part. I guess this guy can do no wrong w/ you huh?

[oaktown2000]

After watching every game last year....and thinking....I'm spending money for the NFL package to watch this garbage...I cancelled it this year (good thing...as the Raiders sucked badly again this year...until the end...where they suddenly got good enough to drop in their draft position).

Anyways........with that being cancelled...that meant I got local games...and being in South Florida....that meant seeing every Dolphins game this year.

The Dolphins did a great job with what they had to work with. The reason Ronnie Brown isn't the superstar you want him to be is because of injuries to the line...and more importantly...nobody is even phased by Miami's vertical attack. They do not stretch the field. They do not scare teams into dropping two safeties. So they rely on their two RBs and short passing. Since they don't have a huge mauling offensive line....they needed to get creative to break the "stop the run first" mentality every defense they faced had. They did a great job of creating a package that would magnify their strengths. Which was two highly athletic backs. The fins don't currently have the all around personnel to compete with the NFL's elite playoff teams. The fact they made it to the playoffs was a tribute to their coaching and preparation each and every week. There is absolutley nothing wrong with Ronnie Brown..

[oaktown2000]

The fact that we came up w/ the Wildcat offense is a direct result of a non-existent running game.


Exactly.

And the fact that Ronnie Brown excelled in it should tell you something about that non-existent running game before that package was installed. If you give him some space...he can succeed. Any succesful running attack starts with your O-line. No RB is going to be succesful behind a crappy line. Peterson's left side of his 0-line is virtually a Pro-Bowl lineup. They open holes that even I could probably get 5 yards out of.....before being critically injured.

[UFCFan]

See that's where we differ: you say give the guy a break but next yr is going to be his 4th year already, in the NFL that's a LOT! Forget Peterson, Ronnie's not even top 2 (maybe 3) rb in the afc. 4 yrds per carry, I seriously question that average -- he's prob not even doing that. You're forgetting the fact that this guy was a 2nd pick overall. The fact that we came up w/ the Wildcat offense is a direct result of a non-existent running game. Not saying he's not the sole reason why that part of the offense is not working, but he's still a big part. I guess this guy can do no wrong w/ you huh?

What a laughable post.....really. First of all, let's get something squared away. I am not some homer who refuses to see faults in players from the teams I like-not by a longshot. If I feel it's warranted, I have no problem being negative about anyone on the team.

As for the rest of your post, I don't really understand what you're expecting from Ronnie Brown. Does he have to break off 30-50 yard runs every game for you to be appeased? I have news for you: not many RB's do that regularly in the NFL, and there isn't a single one who does it week in and week out. You apparently don't believe the 4.3 yards per carry average, so here are his official stats from this season: 214 carries, 916 yards. That comes out to, yep, 4.3 ypc.

Do me a favor. Go look at stats for all the top running backs in the league the last few seasons. Tell me what they average per carry, and notice how many carries the guys who put up the huge yardage numbers have. I'm not being a Brown apologist at all, either. It is simple numbers. They're there for anyone to see. The only reason I said to give the guy a break is because he just tore his ACL last year, in like week 8 or 9, no less. Maybe you are forgetting or are just unfamiliar, but the timetable on those injuries for running backs is usually around 18 months, as far as being back to 100% production (or as close as they are going to get to it).

Yeah, he was the second pick in the draft, but so what? That was a product of an incredibly weak draft class. Alex Smith went first. Would you rather they had taken him if the Niners had passed? The fact is, when he has been healthy, he has produced. The big knock I had on him in the past was his low TD numbers, but he was finding the end zone more frequently last season before he got hurt, and put up a lot of TD's this season. I've had no problem criticizing him in the past, whether it be for not seeing holes, missing a blitz pickup, or dancing a bit too much behind the line.

You're entitled to believe whatever you want, but you're bat**** crazy if you think he is a bust. No offense, but posts like your last one irk the crap out of me, and come across like you really don't know that much about the sport. It just reeks of a casual fan who watches highlights on Sportscenter too much. Just for ****s and giggles, let's say Ronnie also got about half of the yards Ricky Williams got this year. Now he is around 1,300 for the year, and add a couple more TD's. Is he still a bust to you then?

[UFCFan]

After watching every game last year....and thinking....I'm spending money for the NFL package to watch this garbage...I cancelled it this year (good thing...as the Raiders sucked badly again this year...until the end...where they suddenly got good enough to drop in their draft position).

Anyways........with that being cancelled...that meant I got local games...and being in South Florida....that meant seeing every Dolphins game this year.

The Dolphins did a great job with what they had to work with. The reason Ronnie Brown isn't the superstar you want him to be is because of injuries to the line...and more importantly...nobody is even phased by Miami's vertical attack. They do not stretch the field. They do not scare teams into dropping two safeties. So they rely on their two RBs and short passing. Since they don't have a huge mauling offensive line....they needed to get creative to break the "stop the run first" mentality every defense they faced had. They did a great job of creating a package that would magnify their strengths. Which was two highly athletic backs. The fins don't currently have the all around personnel to compete with the NFL's elite playoff teams. The fact they made it to the playoffs was a tribute to their coaching and preparation each and every week. There is absolutley nothing wrong with Ronnie Brown..

Me oh my.....someone who has an iota of a clue.

[mmevile]

You're entitled to believe whatever you want, but you're bat**** crazy if you think he is a bust. No offense, but posts like your last one irk the crap out of me, and come across like you really don't know that much about the sport.Dude, take this for whatever it is: but if a post like that will affect you in such a fashion that your reply is miles & miles long.....no offense -- you need to get a life. I'm just stating my opinion -- sorry if it differs from yours; (if you're local) it's clearly not just me that thinks this way since this is a topic of conversation that materializes often w/ sports talk radio in the last 2 yrs. But I'll tell you what, (it seems obvious to me) I will pull those lovely stats that you love so much & show you how R.Brown is clearly underachieving compared to others in his position. So sit tight, I'm still at work but will get back to you. ;)
Again, no offense....but your post makes me laugh. :rolleyes:

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

How can a guy who's averaged 4.5 yards per carry in his career behind a horrendous run blocking offensive line be a bust? I think you're just frustrated after yesterday's loss.

[UFCFan]

Dude, take this for whatever it is: but if a post like that will affect you in such a fashion that your reply is miles & miles long.....no offense -- you need to get a life. I'm just stating my opinion -- sorry if it differs from yours; (if you're local) it's clearly not just me that thinks this way since this is a topic of conversation that materializes often w/ sports talk radio in the last 2 yrs. But I'll tell you what, (it seems obvious to me) I will pull those lovely stats that you love so much & show you how R.Brown is clearly underachieving compared to others in his position. So sit tight, I'm still at work but will get back to you. ;)
Again, no offense....but your post makes me laugh. :rolleyes:

My post was miles long because I get irritated by "fans" who continually exhibit a lack of real knowledge of football. It's nothing personal against you at all. It just seems to be the norm in the internet era on sports related sites. Just because there are people in and around Miami who think Brown is a bust does not magically make it so. Go check out a team site like finheaven.com, for example. Spend 5 minutes there and then come back and try to tell me that the majority of people who post on that site aren't complete morons when it comes to football. You'll find nothing but ridiculous knee-jerk snap judgments and hilarious overexaggerations. It is the same thing on every other team and fan site on the internet, too. For every one single level headed, rational poster, there are probably 40 who act and think like mouth breathing, brainless thirteen year olds who believe that their Madden video games are somehow indicative of how real football is. I see people on these sites crying and whining all the time that some running back on their team isn't constantly busting long TD runs. They watch highlights on ESPN and the NFL Network and think "why can't my team's RB do that?" These are the same people who immediately start grasping for easy scapegoats the second their team's fortunes take a turn for the worse during the season and cry out for the coach and/or GM to be fired, or the QB to be traded or released.

Condescend to me all you want, guy, but at least I back up what I say with real quantifiable facts, rather than nonsensical fan gibberish. If you want to continue the great Ronnie Brown debate, then feel free to provide me with any type of evidence you think you can that points to him being anything other than a productive running back in the league when he is healthy. Just to help you on your way, here are his year by year stats so far:

Year Att Yards Avg. TD

2005 207 907 4.4 4
2006 241 1,008 4.2 5
2007 119 602 5.1 4
2008 214 916 4.3 10

Keep in mind that in 2005, his rookie year, he not only shared carries with Ricky Williams but he missed 2 games and part of another with injury. In 2006, he missed 3 games and part of another when he got his finger caught in an opposing player's helmet and broke his hand. Last year, he was on a tear when he tore his ACL against the Pats, missing the final 8 games.

Now, let's take a look at the stats of some of the big, ballyhooed RB's around the league.

Adrian Peterson- 363 Att, 1760 yards, 4.8 Avg., 10 TD's
Michael Turner- 376 Att, 1699 yards, 4.5 Avg., 17 TD's
Clinton Portis- 342 Att, 1487 yards, 4.3 Avg. 9 TD's
DeAngelo Williams- 273 Att, 1515 yards, 5.5 Avg., 18 TD's
Thomas Jones- 290 Att, 1312 yards, 4.5 Avg., 13 TD's

There's your top 5 rushers this season. As it is, Ronnie Brown was 19th in rushing yards. Give him 50 more carries and he would've finished in the top 10 in the league, and still with a hell of a lot fewer carries than everyone above besides DeAngelo Williams.

Like I asked you before, if he had gotten 50 or so of the carries that went to Ricky Williams and finished with 1200 yards and 13 TD's instead of the 916 and 10 he did have, would you still be calling him a bust? It really seems to me like you are placing way too much emphasis on long highlight reel TD runs that make ESPN wet their pantaloons and the fact that he was the 2nd overall pick in the draft. It is what it is. Find me any stat you want. They all point to the fact that he is well above average in terms of being a successful running back in the NFL. The reason I am making long posts is not because I have no life. It is simply because you saying that he was "a big part of their failure" or whatever it is exactly that you said, is, frankly, absurd.

[RickyWilliams34]

It's kind of hard to have awesome stats and long runs when you don't get consistent carries. I would imagine it would be extremely difficult to get in a rhythm.

[mmevile]

OK, here are Ronnie Brown's stats for this year.....sorry it took awhile, I'm actually a fan who watches the game rather than memorizing the stat sheets -- so I'm a fan who doesn't quote stats up my ***. So usually during the game, I do not look for stats & concentrate more on the significance of a player's contribution instead. There's only been 1 game this year where R.Brown's contribution was considered significant. Mind you these stats are decent for an average rb, but the fact that R.Brown was drafted 2nd overall DOES color my views -- and it SHOULD. Why shouldn't it, that's the whole point of the draft & drafting people in the 1st round? You can't hold the same scale to a guy drafted in the 1st rnd that you would on the later rounds (same position of course). So when I call R.Brown a possible bust.....I'm doing it because I know how high we drafted him & prob won't put the same tag on another rb drafted later doing the same things he's doing now. If we can do better in the rb position, sure I'll be the 1st to say go for it....but if we still have Ronnie next year, that's fine also.

I included R.Brown's stats coupled w/ some notables from the other team's running game:

Week 1 = 6/23 yrds(3.8) --vs.Jets
Week 2 = 11/25 yrds(2.27) --vs.Cards E.James=18/55(3.05) (10th season drafted 4th b2b 1000+ yr for Cards) T.Hightower=10/24(2.4) (rookie drafted 149/5th rd)
Week 3 = 17/113 yrds(5.2) --vs.Pats
Week 5 = 24/125 yrds(5.2) --vs.Chargers
Week 6 = 13/50 yrds(3.8) --vs.Texans S.Slayton=15/58(3.86) (rookie drafted 89th/3rd rd)
Week 7 = 13/27 yrds(2.07) --vs.Ravens W.McGahee=19/105(5.53) (6th season drafted 23rd 1st rd 2003=dnp(knee) & posted b2b 1000yrd seasons next)
Week 8 = 14/43 yrds(3.07) --vs.Bills M.Lynch=13/61(4.69) (2nd season drafted 12/2nd rb)
Week 9 = 20/59 yrds(2.95) vs.Broncos
Week 10 = 12/105 yrds(8.75) --vs.Seahawks J.Jones=16/88(5.5) (5th season/1st season w/ Hawks drafted 43rd/2nd rd)
Week 11 = 16/101 yrds(6.3) --vs.Raiders
Week 12 = 10/37 yrds(3.7) --vs.Pats K.Faulk=8/53(6.63) (10th season drafted 46/2nd rd)
Week 13 = 15/48 yrds(3.2) --vs.Rams S.Jackson=21/94(6.63) (injured coming from strained right thigh)
Week 14 = 16/70 yrds(4.37) --vs.Bills
Week 15 = 10/67 yrds(6.7) --vs.49ers D.Foster=18/76(4.22) (7th season backup rb drafted 34/2nd rd)
Week 16 = 8/32 yrds(4) --vs.Chiefs L.Johnson=12/108(9)
Week 17 = 11/57 yrds(5.18) --vs.Jets L.Washington=10/60(6) (3rd season backup rb/kr drafted 117/4th rd)

Forget Adrian Peterson, let's just say we compare him to someone like Edgerrin James. He's got some miles on him already after 10 yrs, but the dude posted back to back 1000+ games with the Cards (not talking about the Colts)! The O line for the Fins was only bad last year, if they were terrible the years before that ----> it didn't show. Ronnie's 1st 2 yrs, he enjoyed the same run blocking that Ricky Williams benefited from also. So, you can blame the offensive line all you want, but the Cards didn't have a good line either. You can blame his ACL injury, who cares? McGahee shreded his knee & posted back to back 1000+ yrd seasons the next year. You can blame that he shared his minutes w/ Ricky Williams so he's not getting enough touches. It's this simple folks -- if he's doing his job from what we(actually the coaching staff) expects of him, he wouldn't have to share minutes w/ Ricky. You're using the solution they've come up with (to compensate for the lack of running game) as the reason why Ronnie's not succeeding when those same solutions were devised (in the beginning) to cover his inability to excel despite a less than stellar line?!? I don't get it. :confused: BTW, the Oline this year was very serviceable.
I look at that list above & to me, that looks average.....this dude should be a rockstar already by now. Others are happy w/ it but I'm not looking for average when it comes to someone I drafted 2nd overall. I gotta be honest, I was surprised to see some of the stats above look better than when I was watching it, some of his "highlights" certainly didn't show in the field. So it seems 2 things are happening imo: he's getting his stats in garbage time.........or........he's like the Carmelo Anthony of the NFL=a stat monster but not a game changer in the field. Either way, imo we could've gotten a Ronnie Brown-like performance from someone further down the draft order.

OK, I'm done/rant over. Go Fins.....btw I wore my jersey today in the office! :D

[mmevile]

How can a guy who's averaged 4.5 yards per carry in his career behind a horrendous run blocking offensive line be a bust? I think you're just frustrated after yesterday's loss.Last year, yes. This year, the line was decent.......not great, but serviceable. And yes, I'm also frustrated from the loss. ;)

[Goalkeeper]

I am bummed the Fins have already been bounced but, honestly, was expecting this would happen!

Oh well... what a GREAT turnaround!

[UFCFan]

OK, here are Ronnie Brown's stats for this year.....sorry it took awhile, I'm actually a fan who watches the game rather than memorizing the stat sheets -- so I'm a fan who doesn't quote stats up my ***. So usually during the game, I do not look for stats & concentrate more on the significance of a player's contribution instead. There's only been 1 game this year where R.Brown's contribution was considered significant. Mind you these stats are decent for an average rb, but the fact that R.Brown was drafted 2nd overall DOES color my views -- and it SHOULD. Why shouldn't it, that's the whole point of the draft & drafting people in the 1st round? You can't hold the same scale to a guy drafted in the 1st rnd that you would on the later rounds (same position of course). So when I call R.Brown a possible bust.....I'm doing it because I know how high we drafted him & prob won't put the same tag on another rb drafted later doing the same things he's doing now. If we can do better in the rb position, sure I'll be the 1st to say go for it....but if we still have Ronnie next year, that's fine also.

I included R.Brown's stats coupled w/ some notables from the other team's running game:

Week 1 = 6/23 yrds(3.8) --vs.Jets
Week 2 = 11/25 yrds(2.27) --vs.Cards E.James=18/55(3.05) (10th season drafted 4th b2b 1000+ yr for Cards) T.Hightower=10/24(2.4) (rookie drafted 149/5th rd)
Week 3 = 17/113 yrds(5.2) --vs.Pats
Week 5 = 24/125 yrds(5.2) --vs.Chargers
Week 6 = 13/50 yrds(3.8) --vs.Texans S.Slayton=15/58(3.86) (rookie drafted 89th/3rd rd)
Week 7 = 13/27 yrds(2.07) --vs.Ravens W.McGahee=19/105(5.53) (6th season drafted 23rd 1st rd 2003=dnp(knee) & posted b2b 1000yrd seasons next)
Week 8 = 14/43 yrds(3.07) --vs.Bills M.Lynch=13/61(4.69) (2nd season drafted 12/2nd rb)
Week 9 = 20/59 yrds(2.95) vs.Broncos
Week 10 = 12/105 yrds(8.75) --vs.Seahawks J.Jones=16/88(5.5) (5th season/1st season w/ Hawks drafted 43rd/2nd rd)
Week 11 = 16/101 yrds(6.3) --vs.Raiders
Week 12 = 10/37 yrds(3.7) --vs.Pats K.Faulk=8/53(6.63) (10th season drafted 46/2nd rd)
Week 13 = 15/48 yrds(3.2) --vs.Rams S.Jackson=21/94(6.63) (injured coming from strained right thigh)
Week 14 = 16/70 yrds(4.37) --vs.Bills
Week 15 = 10/67 yrds(6.7) --vs.49ers D.Foster=18/76(4.22) (7th season backup rb drafted 34/2nd rd)
Week 16 = 8/32 yrds(4) --vs.Chiefs L.Johnson=12/108(9)
Week 17 = 11/57 yrds(5.18) --vs.Jets L.Washington=10/60(6) (3rd season backup rb/kr drafted 117/4th rd)

Forget Adrian Peterson, let's just say we compare him to someone like Edgerrin James. He's got some miles on him already after 10 yrs, but the dude posted back to back 1000+ games with the Cards (not talking about the Colts)! The O line for the Fins was only bad last year, if they were terrible the years before that ----> it didn't show. Ronnie's 1st 2 yrs, he enjoyed the same run blocking that Ricky Williams benefited from also. So, you can blame the offensive line all you want, but the Cards didn't have a good line either. You can blame his ACL injury, who cares? McGahee shreded his knee & posted back to back 1000+ yrd seasons the next year. You can blame that he shared his minutes w/ Ricky Williams so he's not getting enough touches. It's this simple folks -- if he's doing his job from what we(actually the coaching staff) expects of him, he wouldn't have to share minutes w/ Ricky. You're using the solution they've come up with (to compensate for the lack of running game) as the reason why Ronnie's not succeeding when those same solutions were devised (in the beginning) to cover his inability to excel despite a less than stellar line?!? I don't get it. :confused: BTW, the Oline this year was very serviceable.
I look at that list above & to me, that looks average.....this dude should be a rockstar already by now. Others are happy w/ it but I'm not looking for average when it comes to someone I drafted 2nd overall. I gotta be honest, I was surprised to see some of the stats above look better than when I was watching it, some of his "highlights" certainly didn't show in the field. So it seems 2 things are happening imo: he's getting his stats in garbage time.........or........he's like the Carmelo Anthony of the NFL=a stat monster but not a game changer in the field. Either way, imo we could've gotten a Ronnie Brown-like performance from someone further down the draft order.

OK, I'm done/rant over. Go Fins.....btw I wore my jersey today in the office! :D

Lmao.

[mmevile]

Actually, I was not expecting a playoff berth....at best .500. So what we got this year is more than enough. But of course, mid-way through the year you get caught up w/ the winning & your expectations starts shifting & now your guidelines change. That's just something natural that happens, that's the problem with success sometimes but it's a good problem to have btw.
I am bummed the Fins have already been bounced but, honestly, was expecting this would happen!

Oh well... what a GREAT turnaround!

[Vandy58]

Wow so Ronnie Brown a bust? LMAO, far from it. It sucked that we went out with that kind of fashion but I never thought we would have even been close to that situation go great year! I have nothing but joy for what this team acomplished this year! GO FINS!

[Chugga]

LMAO

[UFCFan]

You know your argument is on shaky ground at best when even a Bills fan guffaws over it.

Btw, Chugs- I'm pulling for a Marshawn figure in these next lineups. I think there's a good chance.

[mmevile]

Wow so Ronnie Brown a bust? LMAO, far from it. It sucked that we went out with that kind of fashion but I never thought we would have even been close to that situation go great year! I have nothing but joy for what this team acomplished this year! GO FINS!I guess playing devil's advocate is not such a good idea on a thread (where I should've figured out from the title alone) might lack subjectivity. :D My definition of a bust (at least in terms of Ronnie Brown) is different from you guys. I guess I just don't expect the same type of production from a guy selected 2nd overall that I can get from another rb selected much, much further down the draft. I understand, it's not Ronnie's fault when & who selects him in the draft....so I do understand that aspect of it. Also given his track record, we don't even know if we can rely on him to be the rb for years & years to come w/o any "contantly looming" health concerns. I guess we could've parlayed that 2nd pick to get more from it & still select a rb that'll prob produce the same numbers as Ronnie is. Sorry for being critical of teams I really like. :rolleyes:

[Chugga]

You know your argument is on shaky ground at best when even a Bills fan guffaws over it.

Btw, Chugs- I'm pulling for a Marshawn figure in these next lineups. I think there's a good chance.

Thank you sir. I'm actually rooting for a Ronnie Brown figure. I don't have many kind words for Chad Pennington so I'll leave him out of this for sake of not starting a long argument....but when it comes to Ronnie Brown I really think he's highly underrated.

Since the day Ronnie Brown entered the league he's played on a team with an abysmal offensive line and a passing game that didn't exsist. The fact that he's still walking is an accomplishment. Being a pro bowler is just unbelievable.

Don't get me wrong, he's no Marshawn Lynch or Fred Jackson....but I mean he's pretty good. I'd definitely take him on the Bills as our 3rd RB or starting QB.

[mmevile]

Thank you sir. I'm actually rooting for a Ronnie Brown figure. I don't have many kind words for Chad Pennington so I'll leave him out of this for sake of not starting a long argument....but when it comes to Ronnie Brown I really think he's highly underrated.

Don't get me wrong, he's no Marshawn Lynch or Fred Jackson....but I mean he's pretty good. I'd definitely take him on the Bills as our 3rd RB or starting QB.:D....somehow those 2 statements said a lot that you orig left out.

[Vandy58]

So how do people feel about the signings? I was shocked about Vonnie Holliday.

[UFCFan]

I wasn't shocked at all about Holliday. He's getting up there and they need to create more playing time for their young guys.

[Vandy58]

I wasn't shocked at all about Holliday. He's getting up there and they need to create more playing time for their young guys.

Maybe shocked was a little too strong, I was a little supprised. I have yet to see your opinion on JT, want him back?

[UFCFan]

Nope, not at all. He had his time here and was great. It's over now.

[rugbyplayer11]

I wouldnt mind seeing Taylor back. I think he needs to retire a Dolphin. I was glad to see Holliday go. I think the Dolphins need young guys to take over. So hopefully we will stay a young team with a few veterans there to have leadership and experience.

We still need a number 1 WR, something we have not had in a long time.

[Vandy58]

I wouldnt mind seeing Taylor back. I think he needs to retire a Dolphin. I was glad to see Holliday go. I think the Dolphins need young guys to take over. So hopefully we will stay a young team with a few veterans there to have leadership and experience.

We still need a number 1 WR, something we have not had in a long time.

I say the same thing about JT if he is willing to sign at a decent price. I think it would be ironic as hell we second rounder and him back! As for WR I was kind of hoping for Coles but the Bengals jumped on that asap!

[Vandy58]

We could always go for TO but that is a lot of drama and I do not think Tuna or any of his staff would put up with that very long

[UFCFan]

That was too much money for Coles. I'm glad they didn't bite on him, given how old he is. They should easily be able to get a quality receiver with one of their first 3 picks. No way in hell that Parcells would ever entertain the idea of having TO anywhere near him ever again.

[Vandy58]

That was too much money for Coles. I'm glad they didn't bite on him, given how old he is. They should easily be able to get a quality receiver with one of their first 3 picks. No way in hell that Parcells would ever entertain the idea of having TO anywhere near him ever again.

I agree on price as for a pick I would rather have a veteran in the number 1 spot to help develop rookies

[UFCFan]

That would be nice, but the good vets on the market were WAY too expensive. At least Pennington is very accurate, so that helps with the young guys who aren't polished route runners or as sure handed yet. They still may be able to add someone after the June cuts, but I think they're going to draft someone with one of their first two picks, depending on how the draft plays out in front of where they pick, of course.

[rugbyplayer11]

I was hoping for Coles as well, and it has to be common knowledge that Parcels will not ever go after TO. Too much hassle and drama. As for drafting a wr. Is there any that will be good enough to be a starter down the road. I mean the good ones will be gone by the time the Dolphins pick. i know there is always a chance to get someone like Colsten but I dont think the Dolphins are that lucky

[UFCFan]

There are a few guys who very well could be there when they pick in the first- Hakeem Nicks and Heyward-Bay come to mind first. After that, someone like Kenny Britt might be intriguing with their 3rd rounder. I really don't know, but I get the impression that they are going to focus on getting playmakers in this draft whenever possible. They laid a very good foundation with last year's draft, so now they need some guys to help put points on the board.

I still think pass rush is a need, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they grab someone like Larry English, Clay Matthews or Clint Sintim with the 1st rounder.

[rugbyplayer11]

Well we know they are not going to pick a Wr first round, they never have except for Ginn which was a stupid mistake. I see them going D as well. Maybe even a LB

[UFCFan]

Ginn was picked under a different regime. If you want to get technical, though, the Dolphins have picked quite a few receivers in the first round in the past.

I don't think Parcells is the type who likes to go WR in the first, but you never know. If they have a guy targeted who falls, they will pounce. I think it's much likelier they go LB with that 1st pick, but we'll see.

[Joe F.]

Living in Arizona I feel it's my duty to talk Boldin into coming over to the Fins.

I have 3 Boldin NFL Experience figures that I will gladly give to him as a signing bonus! :D

[Vandy58]

Nice we signed Eric Green. I will say I love the new management. Not only have we improved but we are doing what we need to do with the team instead of standing stagnet! GO FINS 09!

[rugbyplayer11]

Nice we signed Eric Green. I will say I love the new management. Not only have we improved but we are doing what we need to do with the team instead of standing stagnet! GO FINS 09!
I like how the Fins are not going for any crap free agents that are not worth the money. I cant wait to see what they do in the draft

[Vandy58]

I like how the Fins are not going for any crap free agents that are not worth the money. I cant wait to see what they do in the draft

Wait a second are you telling me that we should have not signed trent green:p:D

[UFCFan]

Considering Trent Green was a trade and not a free agent signing, I guess you're right. ;)

[mmevile]

Pat White IN = John Beck OUT (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-dolphins-john-beck-released-042709,0,2031442.story). I find it interesting that no one else wanted this dude?!?

[UFCFan]

Same here. I figured Dallas or some other team would gladly give up a 5th or 6th for him. Yay, another wasted 2nd round pick. Doesn't that also make Ginn now the only player from that Mueller/Cameron draft class that is still on the roster?

[Vandy58]

I am actually kind of bumbed out about this. Beck really never got a shot. I still think he can be good. I hope he finds a team and they give him a shot

[UFCFan]

I was pretty high on him the year they drafted him, even when he got playing time and didn't do all that well. There were still enough glimpses of his talent for me to not be too sour on him. He didn't seem to progress at all, though, and looked awful last preseason. I also heard a lot of rumblings that he wasn't much of a leader on the field.

I'm still real surprised that no team out there was willing to offer a late round pick and take a flier on him. I'm sure he'll be picked up pretty quickly, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was the Cowboys.

[Vandy58]

Never hear about him not being a good leader, which if that was the case it makes sense. We still need to find a QB that can lead this team for many years to come!

[UFCFan]

Hopefully Chad Henne is that guy. If not, we're in for a rough ride for a while pretty soon, methinks. I absolutely hated the Pat White pick, as well as most of their draft aside from Vontae Davis and Sean Smith.

[Vandy58]

hhhhmmm land shark stadium, eh?

[Vandy58]

The Dolphins play at Land Shark? LAME!

[rugbyplayer11]

it will always be Joe Robbie Stadium to me

[Vandy58]

it will always be Joe Robbie Stadium to me

Amen!

[mmevile]

it will always be Joe Robbie Stadium to me
True.
So, Jimmy Buffet has THAT MUCH money huh? :eek: I'm curious now how much this man's worth?

[bguppies]

True.
So, Jimmy Buffet has THAT MUCH money huh? :eek: I'm curious now how much this man's worth?

You really, really, really, do NOT want to know.

The man is a freaking genius.

Bill

[mmevile]

JT's back (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/football/pro/dolphins/sfl-jason-taylor-signs-with-miami-dolphins-051309,0,575409.story).....this is going to be an interesting season.

[rugbyplayer11]

this makes me happy

[Vandy58]

Make me happy espicially at the cost! Welcome home! My jersey is now a current player again!

[cochese75]

Welcome Back JT!!!




:spawnorb:

[mmevile]

Joey & JT......hmmm, I wonder who ends up w/ more sacks at year's end? :D
The great thing about this move is not so much that we have him back but that the Patriots don't have him. ;)

[MIAMI 305]

Hopefully he's effective. Gotta dig up his jersey from my closet.

[cochese75]

so we loaned JT to the Redskins to get Pat White and then sign JT away from the Pats for even cheaper...cool :D


:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

Yeah.....too bad the pick was used on Pat White, though.

[Attack2000]

Taylor! sweet :D

[Vandy58]

Training camp bump! JT is officially back!!!!!

[mmevile]

Oh Yeah! Nice to start talking about football again. I'm really curious how Cameron Wake turns out....seems to have a serious chip on his shoulder -- hopefully that aggression turns into sacks.

[Attack2000]

I am stoked that Wake is in Miami. I watched him play last season as a BC Lion in the CFL, the guy is a beast, he set records. He has talent, but can he make it, in the much tougher NFL. I sure hope so.

[vacacayendo]

they all look pretty sick in camp.... our receiving corps (minus Ginn...waste of space) is absolutley amazing. our QBs are accurate as hell (even white is looking pretty good)....and the D is just disgustingly stacked now....

Im tired of camps, I wanna see these boys tear into some real opponents!

[UFCFan]

Receiving corps.....amazing? I love the Dolphins as much as the next Dolphins fan, but geez. Their receivers (with or without considering Ginn) are pretty pedestrian. Camarillo is clutch and runs good routes, but he's average by NFL standards and wouldn't even crack the roster on over half the teams in the league. Bess looks promising but the jury is out. London has pretty nice size, as does Patrick Turner, but it remains to be seen how much either of those two guys can contribute.

I really like the underdog aspect of the receiving corps, but amazing is not a word that comes to mind. Ginn really needs to step up and be the #1 guy. I doubt he can ever be a true #1 guy, but if he can be a solid #1 on this team, I'll take it.

[vacacayendo]

Receiving corps.....amazing? I love the Dolphins as much as the next Dolphins fan, but geez. Their receivers (with or without considering Ginn) are pretty pedestrian. Camarillo is clutch and runs good routes, but he's average by NFL standards and wouldn't even crack the roster on over half the teams in the league. Bess looks promising but the jury is out. London has pretty nice size, as does Patrick Turner, but it remains to be seen how much either of those two guys can contribute.

I really like the underdog aspect of the receiving corps, but amazing is not a word that comes to mind. Ginn really needs to step up and be the #1 guy. I doubt he can ever be a true #1 guy, but if he can be a solid #1 on this team, I'll take it.

lol fair enough...allow me to qualify....

compared to what I saw under cameron, they look amazing. and granted, its day 3 of training camp....

Turner and Hartline both look pretty good....I truly think Bess will become our #1 receiver alongside Camarillo. Ginn is still a waste of space and in 2 of the past 3 practices I attended, I saw him get shown up by both one of the rookies (turner or hartline, i dont remember which offhand) and bess. Someone who was an overall 9th pick going into his 3rd year of experience shouldnt be getting shown up in training camp by a rookie or last years undrafted free agent. He NEVER comes up with plays when needed...(can you tell I REALLY dont like him?)

Granted, we dont have a moss, an owens or a welker.....but I actually think thats pretty adventageous to us - last year once teams started getting a beat on Ronnie or Ricky, Sparano started tossing in Polite or Cobbs. not having that one stand out guy who other defences KNOW to double team can only lead to adventageous 1on1s....at least I hope:-)

at any rate, this season is going to be exciting as anything - weve got an amazing schedule with a lot of potential.

[RickyWilliams34]

Amazing schedule? How so? On paper it's the most difficult

[UFCFan]

Yeah, I'm not getting the "amazing" schedule. I think the team will be lucky to go 9-7 and probably just miss the playoffs while being a much better overall team than last year. If he meant amazing as in amazingly tough, then I agree.

I also can't agree that not having a bonafide #1 receiver can in any way be a benefit. There isn't a single WR on the roster that would ever command a double team, so there is never an ability to create matchup problems. The fast receivers they have are too small, and the tall ones are too slow. That in and of itself isn't some huge anomoly or problem, but a true #1 would alleviate a lot of pressure from everyone else, as well as create more room for the running game. Teams still stack 8 in the box against the Dolphins a lot of the time because: 1) Pennington doesn't have the arm to hurt them deep very often, and 2) they don't have a receiver that can consistently make teams pay for creeping their safeties up toward the line. Not having a #1 is something that they can make work, but is by no means advantageous. The whole advantage of a double team is that there is at least one receiver guaranteed to have a 1-on-1 matchup. There is no guaranteed 1-on-1 if there is no double.

FYI- they brought in Polite last year because it was on 3rd and short situations, not because teams had a bead on Ronnie or Ricky. Polite is a bowling ball in short yardage situations. Cobbs was more of a 3rd down back, and I suspect he will remain more or less in that role this season.

[Goalkeeper]

God I love my Dolphins.

Can't wait for this season!

The best thing about getting my 8th concussion and having to retire from club soccer is the fact I won't be missing any more Fins games!

[rugbyplayer11]

I just hate that I will be in basic training for the Air Force for most of the season. Here is hoping they make it to the Super Bowl so I can get to see them

[Goalkeeper]

P.S. Why the hell did we draft Ginn?

[Goalkeeper]

I just hate that I will be in basic training for the Air Force for most of the season. Here is hoping they make it to the Super Bowl so I can get to see them

Good luck, brother.

And thanks for your Service.

Give me your address and we'll send you a care package...

[RickyWilliams34]

Please do everyone a favor and change the avatar.

[vacacayendo]

1) agree with everyone - fatty with a KC trampstamp = no fun

2) by amazing schedule I mean that itll be a really great season to watch. I have full faith that between the skill and talent on the team, the coaching staff, AND the conditioning (arguably part of the reason we went 11-5 last year - if Im not mistaken the first major injury was camarillo with the ACL in week 6ish, right?) will make us a serious contender, thus shutting up the critics who say "last years season was a fluke - they had an easy schedule with an old broken man QBing in NY and and an unknown QBing in NE". We went from having ZERO monday night games to having 2....from having ALL 1pm start times to a variety of 1, 4 and 7pm times. I was living in Israel for the duration of the season last year, and lemme tell you how hard it is to try to watch the miami dolphins 6000 miles away when they were coming off a 1-15 season (which also accounts for me not really knowing why cobbs and polite were brought in....all of a sudden Id see their names pop up on game tracker and see a ton of production from them, so all I cared for was us continually getting 1st downs...).

as for our receivers....granted pennington doesnt have arm strength...but would you really trust Ginn on ringing in a 45 yard bomb?

I think this year will be a great test for sparano and what hes brought to the table. I also think this will be the put up or shut up for some of the fat that still can be trimmed from the team, and for us to prove that we ARE a relevant team, not just a 1 season fluke/wonder.

[Vandy58]

Please do everyone a favor and change the avatar.

I second that!

[UFCFan]

1) as for our receivers....granted pennington doesnt have arm strength...but would you really trust Ginn on ringing in a 45 yard bomb?

Yes I would. His hands aren't a problem. His problem is an apparent lack of toughness and a willingness to mix it up more, as well as some sloppiness still on his route running. Your hatred for Ginn is obviously causing you to completely overlook or discount the things that he does well. You really can't be that way. I get that you're still pissed that the 10th pick in the draft was used on him (or was it even the 9th?), but get over it.

[mmevile]

Anyone know what's going on w/ Matt Roth? :confused:

[RickyWilliams34]

Anyone know what's going on w/ Matt Roth? :confused:

Care to elaborate?

[Miami Mike]

Anyone know what's going on w/ Matt Roth? :confused:

There's a bit of mystery around that one. I thought I read it was a groin issue.

[mmevile]

Care to elaborate?
He hasn't been practicing & depending on who you ask they say it's because of a groin to some undisclosed mystery illness (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-dolphins-roth-taylor-linebacker-injury-080509,0,2472141.story)?
With JT backing him up & now filling in for him, this is a story that's becoming very suspicious.

[vacacayendo]

it was the 9th that we picked up with ginn. he hasnt really done anything outstanding to prove his worth of being drafted that high...but all the "scholars" of football say the 3rd season is the breakout season for WRs, so Ill wait with baited breath to see what he does. However, I do totally agree with his lack of aggressiveness/willingness to mix it up. In our division, thats not something to shy away from...Alas, I am confident that, as a whole, our receiving corps will be able to hold its own (every day I spend at camp, they look better and better....except - and I feel like Im beating a dead horse - for ginn...who dropped a number of passes...). .

As for Roth - I saw him today at both practices (rest of team in full pads this morning, he was not....afternoon was just shoulderpads, and he was dressed just like them). he was working out in the bubble for a bit and spent some quality time with the bike. Given that he actually was at practice, I dont think its any sort of contractual dispute or anything like that.... (but then again, whose his agent?? I ask because drew rosenhaus was at training camp on day 1 and noone could figure out why, because by that point everyone of noteworthiness had contracts signed).

[Vandy58]

He hasn't been practicing & depending on who you ask they say it's because of a groin to some undisclosed mystery illness (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-dolphins-roth-taylor-linebacker-injury-080509,0,2472141.story)?
With JT backing him up & now filling in for him, this is a story that's becoming very suspicious.

JT filling in hhhhhhmmmmm

[Vandy58]

Hey so since the Pre-Season game is on Monday night will it be national?

[UFCFan]

Hey so since the Pre-Season game is on Monday night will it be national?

No. Not the first one against Jacksonville. The one against Tampa Bay (3rd game I believe) is a national broadcast, though.

[Vandy58]

No. Not the first one against Jacksonville. The one against Tampa Bay (3rd game I believe) is a national broadcast, though.

Damn I am ready to see some foosball

[UFCFan]

NFL Network will be showing that Monday night Jax game only a few hours after it's live, so that's not a bad deal at all (if you have NFL Network).

[Vandy58]

NFL Network will be showing that Monday night Jax game only a few hours after it's live, so that's not a bad deal at all (if you have NFL Network).

Direct-tv so yep! Hopefully it is in HD. Now that marc anthony and gloria are part owners it should be:rolleyes:

[UFCFan]

It is in HD, and it has nothing at all to do with who owns the team. It's up to the local affiliates, which own the rights to preseason games, and are often low rent channels with not enough means to afford doing games in HD.

I have heard that all the preseason games are in HD this year, though. Whether that means true HD or just shown on the HD feed but still in SD (with the black bars on the left and right parts of the screen) remains to be seen, I guess.

[Vandy58]

It is in HD, and it has nothing at all to do with who owns the team. It's up to the local affiliates, which own the rights to preseason games, and are often low rent channels with not enough means to afford doing games in HD.

I have heard that all the preseason games are in HD this year, though. Whether that means true HD or just shown on the HD feed but still in SD (with the black bars on the left and right parts of the screen) remains to be seen, I guess.

I know it is up to the local affiliates I was just trying to be sarcastic with all of our famous owners as of late!

[Vandy58]

game today bump! 11:00 pm EST on NFL network!

[rugbyplayer11]

I wish I had the nfl network

[Vandy58]

According to ESPN Pat White has been looking bad!

[RickyWilliams34]

According to ESPN Pat White has been looking bad!

Bad as in why the hell did we draft him this early? Or bad as in he deserved his draft status?

[Vandy58]

Bad as in why the hell did we draft him this early? Or bad as in he deserved his draft status?

I am going with choice A

[RickyWilliams34]

I can dream right? ESPN does try to be "cool"

[UFCFan]

No one should be expecting much from White so soon anyway. The guy had never even really taken snaps from directly behind center before. He was a shotgun QB. Throw that on top of the normal rookie QB stuff (speed of the game, learning a complex offense, etc.) and there are bound to be issues.

I personally don't think he is ever going to be a long term starter at QB for the Dolphins anyway, so I really am not worried about him, nor do I care much. He still strikes me as a gimmick player at this level. Chad Henne is the one I am much more focused on.

[Vandy58]

It really seems like, at times, the team has given up on Henne. Hopefully I am wrong because I agree with you when it comes to him.
No one should be expecting much from White so soon anyway. The guy had never even really taken snaps from directly behind center before. He was a shotgun QB. Throw that on top of the normal rookie QB stuff (speed of the game, learning a complex offense, etc.) and there are bound to be issues.

I personally don't think he is ever going to be a long term starter at QB for the Dolphins anyway, so I really am not worried about him, nor do I care much. He still strikes me as a gimmick player at this level. Chad Henne is the one I am much more focused on.

[UFCFan]

I haven't gotten that impression about Henne at all. Sparano has repeatedly stated that he is being groomed as the starter and that he will be seeing the most time in preseason out of all 3 QB's. You had to know there wouldn't be a legit open competition at QB in camp after how well Pennington played last season. It was a foregone conclusion that he would be the unquestioned starter again, regardless of how well Henne looked in camp. That said, if Pennington really stinks it up during the regular season, I don't think they'll hesistate to throw Henne out there.

[RickyWilliams34]

Henne's arm strength is what really excites me as a Dolphins fan. Hopefully he can end up leading like Pennington does. That quality of Pennington sets him apart from so many other players in the NFL.

[Vandy58]

I probably should have elaborated. The media is saying nothing about him. They are leaving him out of everything. Since I get no info other then national I have to assume they have given up on him. Sounds like am wrong which is good!

[UFCFan]

I probably should have elaborated. The media is saying nothing about him. They are leaving him out of everything. Since I get no info other then national I have to assume they have given up on him. Sounds like am wrong which is good!

You really should check out either thephins.com or finheaven.com every day or two. There are idiots on both sites, especially Fin Heaven, but they also have a lot of good news from the local South Florida papers and media outlets. Reading the daily camp reports is a rite of passage for me in training camp/preseason.

Relying on national media for Dolphins news is silly, since they all primarily talk about teams like the Steelers, Pats, Cowboys, etc. and the only time they bring up the Dolphins or other teams is when there is something trendy or gimmicky for them to pontificate about (TO being in Buffalo, the Wild Cat, etc.). That's the reason Pat White gets mentioned by them. In actuality, he is far, far behind Henne if we're talking about depth chart or progression stuff.

[Vandy58]

I do get a lot of info from you!:D
You really should check out either thephins.com or finheaven.com every day or two. There are idiots on both sites, especially Fin Heaven, but they also have a lot of good news from the local South Florida papers and media outlets. Reading the daily camp reports is a rite of passage for me in training camp/preseason.

Relying on national media for Dolphins news is silly, since they all primarily talk about teams like the Steelers, Pats, Cowboys, etc. and the only time they bring up the Dolphins or other teams is when there is something trendy or gimmicky for them to pontificate about (TO being in Buffalo, the Wild Cat, etc.). That's the reason Pat White gets mentioned by them. In actuality, he is far, far behind Henne if we're talking about depth chart or progression stuff.

[rugbyplayer11]

CBS sportsline is actually doing a camp thing where they update about every team. Its pretty neat, they have talked about Henne quite a bite

[mmevile]

I caught the highlights......team looks good. Nice plays from JT, Ricky & Ginn Jr. Nice pass from Henne also. I'm very excited for this season.

[UFCFan]

I was most impressed with Sean Smith. He already looks like a stud out there. He had a really nice pick in the end zone when he came back into the game in the 3rd quarter, too. He is a lock to start at the other CB spot unless he gets hurt. The second stringer, Eric Green, repeatedly got beat tonight and has had a real lousy camp. I can't believe they signed this stiff in the offseason. He was horrible with Arizona too.

Vontae Davis looked like complete crap and made a couple really, really stupid mistakes. He just strikes me as a very immature guy for some reason. It's obvious that he has a ton of talent, but when compared to Smith, who was taken a full round later and then some, it's a very big contrast.

I am really intrigued by Chris Williams. He is listed at WR, but I haven't heard about him much at camp so far. He made a couple stupid mistakes early in the game, but then he consistently had great kickoff returns. He almost busted two for TD's and seemed to get to at least the 40 on every return. I don't think he does enough at WR to justify a roster spot, but if he keeps running like he did tonight, they are going to have to keep him on the team. He runs with authority that Ginn never has on returns and looks like he has great vision. Ball security could be an issue, but he looks like an electric-type player with the ball in his hands.

Oh, and Ginn showed glimpses that he might be ready to be a real player. He made two really nice catches and looked to run really crisp routes. I still think he can learn to use his speed better, but he looks like a much more polished player. I don't think this offense is going to be conducive to him putting up big numbers with Pennington and his limitations at QB, but I'm excited to see just how far he's come when the bullets are live.

[Vandy58]

I think UFC fan took the words out of my mouth. I was really impressed with Williams on Special teams! His first go around he made a brain dead mistake and I was pissed but after that he looked on fire! We have not had that kind of returning since Wes Welker. Vonte Davis looked terrible to say the least. Henne looked awesome. He did make a couple of mistakes but over all I thought he looked good. If he keeps going in a positive direction he truly can be the future for us. Ronnie and Rickey looked good. I thought Wilson looked pretty good as well in the back field.

Overall so far so good! I had chills seeing #99 back in his jersey! I swear it looked, at times, he has not lost a step but only time will tell!

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

I agree fellas, and I'll add Cameron wake really turns that corner hard!! When he beat the OT on the QB pressure it reminded me of JT. I was even impressed with Pat White, if his WRs didnt drop everything he threw he would have had a decent stat night.

Chris Williams was the story though, man a few lucky plays by the kicker away from two scores! He needs to make this team. Were a team lacking that big play and he could def. supply it.

[UFCFan]

I have to agree on Pat White. I admit, I absolutely HATED them using their first 2nd rounder this year on him. I felt it was done primarily to provide more depth for the wild cat formation, which itself annoys me for some reason. Call me old fashioned, but I am not a fan of gimmicky offenses. I prefer when teams just line up and smash people in the mouth.

White showed talent last night, though. Considering how little experience he has lining up directly under center rather than in shotgun, I was impressed. He has a strong arm, too. Both Patrick Turner and Anthony Armstrong dropped passes from White that should have easily been caught. Both passes were put right on the hands and with a lot of velocity.

He's a real small guy, so durability could be an issue. At least he can scramble, though. He won't do much other than wild cat stuff for this season and maybe the next, but he looks like an interesting prospect.

[Phinfankid]

Hey Guys, Big Phins fan here, I had to watch the game on ChannelSurfing since I live in Tampa, but here's my breakdown:

Positives
Sean Smith- This Kid is going to be special, best part of the night was his professionalism in his Postgame interviw

Donald Thomas- Murphy didnt look bad, but I trully think Thomas is special. He just Mauls his guy.

Nate Jones, He applied pressure on the QB like the end of last year.

Cris Williams- Is it the blocking, or is it him, like underdogs, but i don't see him beating out London.

Ted Ginn- Hope he bulids on this and is ready for a breakout. Needs to stop running out of bounds, but then again, it's Preseason!

And last... JT- This guy looks Hungry! Comeback player of the year?

Now for the Ugly

Eric Green- About as good a FA pickup as the last Eric Green we had! What a waste!

Patrick Turner- Counted at least two drops, and where was he when we were in the red zone?

Jake Grove- Not seeing an upgrade over Satele.., Better prove me wrong real quick!

I'll be down to Miami for the Panthers game, Hopefully our Offense will gel by then!

[mmevile]

Carolina's tonight.

[vacacayendo]

smith = studly
hartline and turner = great potential
ginn = THANKS FOR FINALLY SHOWING UP TO THE BIGLEAGUES!
henne = cant wait for him to get some serious play time
bess = still the man
williams = Id love to see him develop some more...hes small and explosive.

and last but not least....

the quadruple terror of wake, porter, taylor and crowder = god help the other QBs....thats a whole lotta mean coming his way.

[UFCFan]

Chris Williams just let a punt hit right off his facemask for an easy Carolina recovery. Bye bye, Chris!

[mmevile]

Fins win 27-17.....and the wildcat even made a showing tonight. :D

[RickyWilliams34]

Chris Williams just let a punt hit right off his facemask for an easy Carolina recovery. Bye bye, Chris!

Does he seem ******ed or seem extremely nervous?

[vacacayendo]

Chris Williams just let a punt hit right off his facemask for an easy Carolina recovery. Bye bye, Chris!

I didnt get to watch the game, however unless he starts pulling some weight in the receiving corps, I dont think hell earn a spot on the team. We have ginn and bess who do pretty well at punt returns, so just having a "punt return specialist" (who apparently is shotty at best) is a waste of a spot on a 53 man roster....

since I didnt get to watch the game and have yet to see highlights on espn - how did the fins look???

[UFCFan]

Does he seem ******ed or seem extremely nervous?

I'm not exactly sure what your first filtered out word is supposed to be. I'd guess that he is probably nervous. He knows damn well that he has no margin for error and has to constantly impress just to even stay on the radar screen of the coaches and keep hanging around. I saw some issues with ball security last week with him, too. I think he's just trying so hard to make something happen on every touch that he gets ahead of himself. It's really no different than what we see from rookies every year. The difference is that many of them are high round picks who are guaranteed to make the roster no matter how badly they eff up. I still like the burst he shows, and the fact that neither Armstrong nor Hartline did jack after they were put in to handle returns helps his cause, as does the fact that they may not want 2 of their likely starting receivers (Ginn and Bess) doing returns anymore. I doubt he'll be cut when they go from 80 to 75 after the next game, but he can't screw up like this anymore.

[UFCFan]

My game thoughts.....

I saw a lot to be very pleased with tonight. For starters, the O line came to play. They were putrid last week at getting a push and the inside running game was completely nonexistent due to it. Tonight, they consistently opened holes for all 4 RB's and made some real nice blocks. Donald Thomas was the clear standout to me. He ate up whoever he was lined up against and I even saw him pull a few times and get to the second level to make a real nice kickout block to spring someone (I want to say Cobbs) for a nice gain. Murphy looked ok, but Thomas IMO has clearly won back the starting job at RG. Jake Long looked like Jake Long, and Jake Grove played much better than last week.

More thoughts:

-Ronnie Brown looked great. He had at least 2 or 3 runs of 10 yards or more and also had a nice 23 yard TD reception on the first drive, where Pennington hit him in stride wide open on a wheel route. Ronnie made a great move to elude the DB and get to the end zone.

-Lex Hilliard looked great as well. Dude is just plain explosive through the hole. I don't see how he makes the team, but he had a great TD run in the 3rd quarter-I want to say like 35-40 yards. There's a logjam at RB and he is probably going to be the odd man out. If they try to put him on the practice squad, someone will claim him.

-The receivers were more or less a no show tonight, for whatever reason. Pennington didn't hit Ginn at all in 2 or 3 possessions that I saw. Bess dropped what would have been a 20 yard or so reception. Turner and Hartline both made a few catches but nothing special.

-Pat White looked bad. His throws were all over the place again, and he was real inaccurate throwing on the run. He also lacked touch on the short stuff. He had one decent scramble for a first down, but I wasn't impressed with anything he did tonight. He looked like a totally overmatched rookie to me-which he should.

-Chad Henne played well. His throws were constantly right on the money and he made a few real nice throws with a lot of zip. Unlike last week, I didn't see him make any stupid decisions, either. He took what the defense gave him and threw to his checkdown option quite a bit-another reason the WR's seemed invisible. I'd like to see him not stare down the guy he is throwing too so much, but that should come in time.

-run defense looked very, very stout-all game too, not just the first team. They shut down almost every run for minimal or no gain all game long. The one blemish was a De'Angelo Williams TD run where there were about 4 missed tackles on the play. It was really ugly and sloppy looking. The rain may have played a part on that, but you still have to make those tackles.

-On the first few defensive series, they got very good pressure on the QB. I saw some nice looking blitzes, including one where Crowder busted through the RG/C gap and blasted Delhomme right as he was throwing. Porter had a couple pressures, as did JT. Wake got a near- sack later on, and it looked like he was being held again just like last week but he powered through it.

-Pass defense looked lousy-well at least in part. Vontae Davis got the start opposite Will Allen as both Sean Smith and Jason Allen sat out with flu like symptoms. Delhomme didn't do anything against the secondary, mostly due to the constant pressure the D line and blitzing LB's put on him, but Matt Moore came in and started completing quite a few passes on 'em, including at least a few 3rd and longs. That's been a huge problem the last couple years and I hope it gets figured out soon. Will Allen didn't have a very good game and the safeties just generally seemed very slow to get there most of the time.

That said, Vontae Davis played a hell of a game. He blanketed his WR, and I counted 3 or 4 excellent open field tackles where he came up and took down the receiver for minimal gains. He may be a bit immature, but the kid has a ton of talent and is a very physical player. IMO, he looked every bit as good, if not better, than Smith did last week-except he didn't get a pick. He is going to make mistakes, but he'll be great in run support if nothing else from the get go.

Players of the game: Donald Thomas, Ronnie Brown, Vontae Davis, Lex Hilliard

[RickyWilliams34]

It was the harsh version of mentally challenged

[Vandy58]

Well Chris Williams waived injured!

Wilford gone as well, no loss!

[Vandy58]

Wow so we also did some trading, nothing big but trade none the less

The Miami Dolphins today traded offensive linemen Andy Alleman and Ikechuku Ndukwe to the Kansas City Chiefs in exchange for an undisclosed 2010 draft choice.

In addition, the team annouced the following roster moves.

WAIVED
RB Anthony Kimble
LB Orion Martin
LB Tearrius George
NT Joe Cohen

WAIVED/INJURED
WR Chris Williams

CONTRACT TERMINATED
TE Ernest Wilford

[Phinfankid]

Wow so we also did some trading, nothing big but trade none the less

Looks to be a 6th round pick or better since we already have KC's 7th next year. Not bad for two guys that were going to be released anyways!

Who's the next trade? Matt Roth?

[Vandy58]

Looks to be a 6th round pick or better since we already have KC's 7th next year. Not bad for two guys that were going to be released anyways!

Who's the next trade? Matt Roth?

With who?

[Phinfankid]

With who?

No idea I just know he has an agent that is always demanding trades in Rosenhaus. Plus I think the Phins like what they see in Moses, and Wake.

I hope they don't trade him (Roth), because he's one of my faves.

[Vandy58]

No idea I just know he has an agent that is always demanding trades in Rosenhaus. Plus I think the Phins like what they see in Moses, and Wake.

I hope they don't trade him (Roth), because he's one of my faves.

We would have to replace him with something. JT could go back to that posistion but I like him at OLB

[rugbyplayer11]

Looks like Wilford has went back to Jax as a TE

[Kleptos18]

So i'm gonna be in the Georgia Dome for the opening game. Can't wait to beat down the Phins ;)

In all honesty it should be a good game. I'm nervous about it. But, I went last year on opening day and I think it'll be cool to make it a tradition.

[Vandy58]

I did not watch the game for obvious reasons. Looking at the stats it looks as though Henne did not have a great game. 2/8 55 yards and 1 INT. I know this is the preseason but I hope it was a hiccup. Nice to see Fasano back and catching a TD. Season starts in a couple of weeks!! GO FINS

[MIAMI 305]

That was a pretty crappy display last night. Henne didn't look comfortable at all.

[rugbyplayer11]

It was not good for anyone except Hartline looked pretty good. Everyone out there for both teams just looked out of place and out of sync.

[UFCFan]

I did not watch the game for obvious reasons. Looking at the stats it looks as though Henne did not have a great game. 2/8 55 yards and 1 INT. I know this is the preseason but I hope it was a hiccup. Nice to see Fasano back and catching a TD. Season starts in a couple of weeks!! GO FINS

Obvious reasons being what? The game was a national broadcast on Fox last night.

[Vandy58]

Obvious reasons being what? The game was a national broadcast on Fox last night.

I did not get it?! Only time I could have watched it was NFL network today at 11:00am MST

[RickyWilliams34]

It was national...

[UFCFan]

I did not get it?! Only time I could have watched it was NFL network today at 11:00am MST

You don't have a Fox local channel? Interesting.

[Vandy58]

I usually never watch fox so I did not physically switch it but my guide on Direct TV had something else? Why the **** is this such a big deal to you? Are you turning into the board police? Unless you made a ghostly apperance at my house how would you know either way? I made a comment about the team and this is what you focus on? right.

[UFCFan]

I usually never watch fox so I did not physically switch it but my guide on Direct TV had something else? Why the **** is this such a big deal to you? Are you turning into the board police? Unless you made a ghostly apperance at my house how would you know either way? I made a comment about the team and this is what you focus on? right.

Calm your ass down, Suzy. I asked a simple question, and when you responded and said you didn't get it, I guess I was surprised, so I asked if you had a local Fox channel or not. I'm not "focusing on it" so much as I am just responding to two different posts you made about it. Relax and take a valium, pal. I promise it will be ok.

[Vandy58]

Calm your ass down, Suzy. I asked a simple question, and when you responded and said you didn't get it, I guess I was surprised, so I asked if you had a local Fox channel or not. I'm not "focusing on it" so much as I am just responding to two different posts you made about it. Relax and take a valium, pal. I promise it will be ok.

Sorry it is just one of those days, nothing personal. Like I said it could very well have been on but my direct tv guide did not show that. I wish I knew earlier, I watched a cops marathon on my DVR (wife is obsessed)

[biteyahard]

Not much good in that game, I hope they are sharper when it counts. Remember who was undefeated in last years Preseason?! Yep, 0-16 Detroit!

[Vandy58]

Not much good in that game, I hope they are sharper when it counts. Remember who was undefeated in last years Preseason?! Yep, 0-16 Detroit!

Why do you have to bring that up? I would hope that we are better then Detroit's team last year, or pretty much any year.