DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 5-5 SEASON: RUN RICKY RUN, 119 YARDS, 2 TD'S, 1 REC. TD!

[biteyahard]

Can't wait to beat down the Phins ;)


So, what position do you play for the Falcons?:p

[biteyahard]

Why do you have to bring that up? I would hope that we are better then Detroit's team last year, or pretty much any year.

No doubt, I was just saying that the preseason record means nothing, they have "WON" some crappily played games. I just wish Henne made a better showing because I dread Pennington throwing a deep out or a fly pattern. :o

[Vandy58]

I just wish Henne made a better showing because I know Pennington cannot throw a deep out or a fly pattern. :o

there fixed:p:(

[UFCFan]

It was a very awfully played game last night. I do chalk some of that up to the team being very tired, though. That was their 3rd game in a 10 day stretch where they also had 2 two-a-day practices inbetween. That's not to make excuses, though. it is what it is. They looked flat and sloppy, and generally got outplayed, even though they "won." The offensive line looked lethargic and got no push all game long, the secondary looked horrible, etc.

It's not really what you hope to see out of a 3rd preseason game, which is supposed to be a fairly good approximation of what the in-season product will look like. It's not worth making a big deal over, though. If they look like that in late October, then I'll worry.

[Vandy58]

It was a very awfully played game last night. I do chalk some of that up to the team being very tired, though. That was their 3rd game in a 10 day stretch where they also had 2 two-a-day practices inbetween. That's not to make excuses, though. it is what it is. They looked flat and sloppy, and generally got outplayed, even though they "won." The offensive line looked lethargic and got no push all game long, the secondary looked horrible, etc.

It's not really what you hope to see out of a 3rd preseason game, which is supposed to be a fairly good approximation of what the in-season product will look like. It's not worth making a big deal over, though. If they look like that in late October, then I'll worry.

we cool?

[UFCFan]

No doubt, I was just saying that the preseason record means nothing, they have "WON" some crappily played games. I just wish Henne made a better showing because I dread Pennington throwing a deep out or a fly pattern. :o

I'm not too concerned about it. Henne didn't even see the guy. Very few defensive linemen drop back into coverage like that, and I have seen plenty of veteran QB's make that mistake before. The only things that concern me with him are his tendency to stare down the receiver he is throwing to and some unawareness of pressure in the pocket. The first one is usually taken care of with game experience. The second one is often more of an innate, uncoached thing, but good line play will minimize it.

[UFCFan]

we cool?

Don't worry about it. I take very little here seriously.

[mmevile]

Matt Roth is still not practicing & the season's almost here.........this has to be a contract issue -- what else could it be?!?

[Vandy58]

What the **** is going on with Matt Roth? He is not on the injured reserve list?

[RickyWilliams34]

That Sean Smith interception was sick. I'm very excited about him and Davis.

[Vandy58]

That Sean Smith interception was sick. I'm very excited about him and Davis.

I read though Davis went out with a knee injury and I have heard nothing about it?

[Phinfankid]

I read though Davis went out with a knee injury and I have heard nothing about it?

I hope it's not too serious! It doesn't look like it because he didn't even leave the field for the locker room according to some reports.

Sean Smith has two picks in three games! Not too shabby! and they are both in the end zone! Even Better!

[Chaffee6]

Anyone know what hotel the Dolphins will stay at in Atlanta? I'm making the trip and want to see if I can grab some 'graphs in the lobby.

[Chaffee6]

bump

[Vandy58]

I have no clue, best to is to call around?!?!?!

[Vandy58]

Okay guys as my 3rd WR should I start Santonio Holmes or Tedd Guinn Jr.?

[rugbyplayer11]

Okay guys as my 3rd WR should I start Santonio Holmes or Tedd Guinn Jr.?
Ginn would be who I would start.

[cochese75]

Holmes




:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

I put in Ginn, for now. It is such a crap shoot. Recklessbiker has a lot of targets to throw at, Pennington does not. I have until thursday.....

[UFCFan]

Ginn will be maddeningly frustrating yet again this year. He'll have a huge game like he did against Buffalo last year, and then totally disappear for 4 weeks after that. It's not all his fault, though. Miami's dink and dunk offense and Pennington's pop gun arm really aren't ideal for a player with Ginn's skillset. He is the de facto #1 receiver on the team, but I'd start Holmes over him most weeks, probably.

[Vandy58]

So what the **** is going on with Roth? He is now on the non injured reserve list which means he cannot play for 6 weeks? On a side note JT is a captain again!

[MIAMI 305]

Maybe he's having anxiety issues.

[mmevile]

So what the **** is going on with Roth? He is now on the non injured reserve list which means he cannot play for 6 weeks? On a side note JT is a captain again!Weird......:confused:

[cochese75]

I put in Ginn, for now. It is such a crap shoot. Recklessbiker has a lot of targets to throw at, Pennington does not. I have until thursday.....

Well now you need Ginn to have a Career day to match Holmes' 9/131/1 TD :cool:



:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

Well now you need Ginn to have a Career day to match Holmes' 9/131/1 TD :cool:



:spawnorb:

Trust me I know:rolleyes:. 13 points in my league I might have missed out on :(

[mmevile]

Woohoo, Fins vs. Falcons! They just said that Pat White is the #2 today, so let's see what they've had in mind since draft day. ;)

[Animal Mother]

I'm not a happy fin fan at the moment...

[MIAMI 305]

Did these people dip their hands in butter before the game? I'm also starting to wonder if they have any recievers.

[mmevile]

Did these people dip their hands in butter before the game? I'm also starting to wonder if they have any recievers.....maybe they should start catching the ball w/ their legs instead -- it's the only thing that's worked so far. :(

[Phinfankid]

That was painfull to watch! At least Merling and Ricky looked good!!

[RickyWilliams34]

You seriously got a positive out of that?

[Phinfankid]

You seriously got a positive out of that?

Yeah our front seven held Turner in Check! Y. Bell was so bad it seemed like Culver made more plays on Gonzo than him!

Phillip Merling seemed like he made a bunch of plays. 1 Positive!

Our O Line needs to get it together on Pass Blocking! That's the main reason why our O sucked today!

It's juts one game and Falcons are a good team, so Lets vent but let's not give the season away on today's game!

[RickyWilliams34]

Atlanta's defense isn't good though and that is what is sad about this game. A trash time TD is all they could get. I love what Pennington did for the Dolphins last year but the offense won't be anything special as long as that noodle arm is restricting big plays.

[UFCFan]

That is sad. Atlanta's defense was definitely fired up for this game, but it doesn't change the fact that statistically, they're still probably going to be one of the worst defenses the Dolphins face all season. The offense was just abysmal today. They were totally out of sync, the o line got beaten like a drum and got zero push, and the turnovers were just ridiculous to watch.

The offensive playcalling also really pissed me off more and more as the game went on. They wasted countless possesions with the stupid gimmicky wild cat crap and they completely abandoned the run game when they didn't need to. This is the type of performance people can use to illustrate the point that the offense is really limited with Pennington at QB. When things click perfectly, he is fine and he can move the team up and down the field. When it's not, there are problems. The WR's couldn't get open, the O line couldn't block anyone, and Pennington's lack of arm strength means that the defense could just sit on the short stuff. The only time they really tried to go downfield was the gimmick play with Pat White, and he horribly overthrew a wide open Ginn.

It's far too early for panic, but this is the kind of stuff that makes me think this team is much closer to a 7-9, 8-8 type squad than an 11-5 team that went to the playoffs. Not that they are any worse than they were a year ago. I actually think they are a better team-or will be anyway. I just think they got a ton of breaks last year that they aren't going to get this time around-either from schedule, very few injuries, and not turning the ball over.

[mmevile]

You seriously got a positive out of that?I know what you mean.....but Phillip Merling was great on that game -- too bad it's a very minute glimmer of light.

And there's 1 individual that I've always been critical of simply because the guy imo has never panned out to the "perceived" potential......but I'll give the guy 3 more games to go for that certain individual to generate his stamp on the games (win or lose).

[UFCFan]

Make sure whenever you make your judgment on this "mysterious" certain individual that you also take into account:

1) the play of the offensive line
2) how many touches he gets

[RickyWilliams34]

I don't think Ronnie Brown gets much of a chance. He averaged what, 4.3 yards a carry today. Pretty good behind that offensive line today. The offensive play selection isn't very good. I would much rather Ronnie and Ricky run a combined 30+ times than see Pennington get 29 pass attempts if they can't be significant.

[UFCFan]

That's what bothers me about the playcalling so much. They got cute on first down too many times today, calling gimmicky plays that gained nothing or lost yardage. That means on 2nd down, they had to pass again. I do feel that Ronnie gets a bit of a bad rap, but there have definitely been times I was disappointed with his play. He really wasn't even given a chance to do anything today, though. Until he got those 5 or 6 carries in garbage time at the end of the game, he had 4 carries. Yes, 4.

Now, I think he probably can be knocked for not breaking a lot of real long runs, but honestly, there aren't many backs in the league who do that with regularity. People that continually bash him or are disappointed all the time are only usually looking at the lack of big runs, or the lack of a huge overall rushing yardage total. They almost never look at his yards per carry average and realize that if he got fed the ball more, he would be right up there with the Michael Turners of the world. It took Turner 376 carries last season to get his yards. Brown got, what, 210 at most?

I've seen mmevile make a lot of comments the last couple years about how underwhelming Brown is, and I really think he is hung up on the fact that he was the #2 pick in the draft-especially when Adrian Peterson was taken like 4 picks later. The thing is, the 2005 draft was atrocious at the top. The bottom line is that the only way the Dolphins weren't taking Brown is if Alex Smith hadn't gone at #1. Would any of you rather have him? Where he was drafted is immaterial 4 years after the fact.

If he got more carries, he would have more gaudy numbers. It's really that simple.

[RickyWilliams34]

The only guy from that draft that I can think of off the top of my head I'd rather have than Brown is Rodgers but clearly something about him scared teams off otherwise he wouldn't have slipped.

[RickyWilliams34]

Just looked up the first round and I would add Ware, and possibly R. White and the steroid using celebrity beater.

[UFCFan]

The only guy from that draft that I can think of off the top of my head I'd rather have than Brown is Rodgers but clearly something about him scared teams off otherwise he wouldn't have slipped.

I'd rather have Rodgers or Demarcus Ware, and a couple years ago I would have said Merriman too. The thing is, it's all done in hindsight. If there was no chance of the team taking any of them even if they had passed on Brown, it doesn't really matter. The whole top 10 in the draft that year was pretty much lousy. I'd still take Brown today over the other guys. I will say that I don't think Brown quite has that "it" thing that the real elite RB's tend to have, be it great vision, jukes, etc. However, that doesn't mean that he can't put up big numbers if utilized properly. Look how Cameron used him in '07 before he got hurt. Even with how horrid that team was, how bad the O line was, and how the passing game lacked weapons, Brown was still performing at an elite level that year until he went down.

Guys like Ronnie need to get fed the ball because they become more effective as games go on and defenses get worn down. You're obviously not going to just keep handing off to him every play when losing by two scores or more, but 4 carries until midway through the 4th quarter is just pathetic. I also don't really get why he isn't used more in the passing game. The Dolphins are seriously one of the worst teams at effectively using screens that I have ever seen.

[Kleptos18]

So i'm gonna be in the Georgia Dome for the opening game. Can't wait to beat down the Phins ;)

In all honesty it should be a good game. I'm nervous about it. But, I went last year on opening day and I think it'll be cool to make it a tradition.

Wow. Didn't expect an actual beat down. Good luck the rest of the season Phin Phans.

[UFCFan]

Wow. Didn't expect an actual beat down. Good luck the rest of the season Phin Phans.

Congrats to you, bud. Good luck to your team as well. If their defense can play with that much effort on a weekly basis, it looks like at least a deep playoff run for the Falcons.

[mmevile]

Make sure whenever you make your judgment on this "mysterious" certain individual that you also take into account:

1) the play of the offensive line
2) how many touches he getsThat sounds so familiar....but yeah, duly noted. We'll see what happens by mid-season. ;)

[UFCFan]

That sounds so familiar....but yeah, duly noted. We'll see what happens by mid-season. ;)

Of course it sounds familiar-because the situation hasn't changed. If he doesn't get to touch the ball, how can he do anything? 4 carries until about midway into the 4th quarter, and 2 of those out of the wildcat. That's not much to work with. I don't care who you are.

[Vandy58]

You guys have already vented my frustration so I will not waste my time on it but what the hell is up with Pat White. Okay great we have a guy with an arm and it was nice to see he can even over throw at a 50 yard plus pass but were we just telling the D, "Hey go deep on this one" what a freaking joke! That game was brutal. On top of that my 2 RB in fantasy combine for 3 points!! Thank god I have drew drew breese!

[UFCFan]

You guys have already vented my frustration so I will not waste my time on it but what the hell is up with Pat White. Okay great we have a guy with an arm and it was nice to see he can even over throw at a 50 yard plus pass but were we just telling the D, "Hey go deep on this one" what a freaking joke! That game was brutal. On top of that my 2 RB in fantasy combine for 3 points!! Thank god I have drew drew breese!

Pat White is a nice weapon if he is used properly, actually. On that play, the defense had no idea he was gearing up to throw deep. That's purposely why they had him run it on his first attempt. That said, I still hate him being the 2nd round pick this year, and I really dislike the wild cat wasting offensive possessions. If they change up the playcalling it may be a bit more effective, or at least not annoy me as much.

None the less, on that one play you mentioned, they got exactly the matchup and look that they wanted from it. It was an easy 6 if the ball is thrown on target, but it wasn't.

[Vandy58]

Monday night football! The D needs to be huge today espicially the back field. Not only do I want to see the Fins put the hurt on Indy but in my money league the guy I am playing can still win if Peyton has a big game!

[Chaffee6]

Who here is going besides me? Man, I really hope Miami can get a Dub tonight. Can't afford to go 0-2 after NYJ's hot start.

[Vandy58]

Who here is going besides me? Man, I really hope Miami can get a Dub tonight. Can't afford to go 0-2 after NYJ's hot start.

If I lived near there I would but well, denver sucks

[MIAMI 305]

Hopefully they get it together tonight. Last week's game was just a giant boredom fest.

[vacacayendo]

so far, so good....except for ted ginn dropping passes/not making big plays.

GO FINS.

[RickyWilliams34]

You mention Ginn but not the secondary?

[Miami Mike]

After that 80yd touchdown, the defense has been better. Fasano and Ginn's drops sucked but they seem to be taking it to Indys run defense.

[vacacayendo]

Ive already resigned myself to the fact that Ginn is NOT a playmaker. Im just bent outa shape over him because he was a 1st round pick and a holdover from a horrid regime.

All in all, theyre looking pretty good though.....especially after the debacle of last week.

[RickyWilliams34]

Omg the tackling has been brutal. I'd love to see the number of Indy's broken tackles.

[Bill]

Damn, I thought Andy Reid was bad at time management

[rugbyplayer11]

they are just not going fast enough

[Bill]

If not for that cheap fg they gave up before the half

[RickyWilliams34]

This loss goes all on that defense. They had all the rest they needed.

[Miami Mike]

This loss goes all on that defense. They had all the rest they needed.

I agree. They blew it.

Oh and Ted Ginn, DIAF :mad:

[Bill]

I didn t watch much of the game, what was the over/under for Manning worship from Jaws?

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Ted Ginn is THE Worst WR in the NFL, funkin Cam Cameron!!!

[Vandy58]

Ted Ginn is THE Worst WR in the NFL, funkin Cam Cameron!!!

*****ING TED GINN!!!!!

[vacacayendo]

I HATE TED GINN!!! HATE HATE HATE. WHY oh WHY is he still around. thank you very much Cam Cameron....@_ _ hole.

Why didnt we put bess in to take care of this....or hartline/turner? or hell, why not PAT WHITE?!?!?! no...we go with TED **** GINN JUNIOR.

thanks for nothing, #9 overall draft pick.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

and im sick of the idiot fans who keep makin excuses for the POS! Hes terrible! hes soft, he cant catch, cant run a pattern!! *****!!! He was drafted because he could return kicks and he lost his job doin that!! GRRRRRRRR!!!!!!

Sorry had to vent, despised this guy since college

[Vandy58]

He is the best part, after "Hot Hands" screwed up, on the final play Fasano was at the 2 yard line wide ****ing open.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Pennington needs to go too! Hes nothing more than a bandage, not a solution. NOBODY respects our passing game and poor OLine and Ronnie n Ricky......8 guys in the box on running downs, 7-9 blitzing on passing downs...

[Bill]

"The Colts have a record 6 straight seasons of 12 wins or more, looks like they will make it 7" A bit too early for that, dont you think?

[Vandy58]

"The Colts have a record 6 straight seasons of 12 wins or more, looks like they will make it 7" A bit too early for that, dont you think?

ESPN sucks the member of Manning, Brady, and Manning.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

i hope we sign anquan boldin in the offseason, release "the entire ginn family" and start Henne next year, draft Julio Jones in two years.

[Pariah]

Damn, I thought Andy Reid was bad at time management

This ^^^^

They had plenty of time to win the game but wasted so much time.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

lookin at the players we passed on for Ginn makes me sick...P. Willis, D. Revis, D. Bowe, Chr. Johnson, B. Meriweather. GRRRRR

[mmevile]

Ted Ginn wasn't the prob, those 2 drops were not his fault. Both times the ball hit him in the hands, so I can't blame him. :p

Seriously, it's not Ginn's fault we lost.....it's the defense -- those guys STUNK! BTW, good job Ronnie Brown. I still hate you, I still think you blow.....but tonight, you did good. Next week....hmmmm? ;) I'm glad the Fins specifically practiced more this week to anticipate Dallas Clark, it definitely showed. :rolleyes: Oh well, crappy night but not time to panic yet. GO FINS! :)

[MIAMI 305]

I blame Ginn, the defense, and Dan Carpenter for his missed kick. I swear, only the Dolphins can lose a game when having the ball for that long.

[RickyWilliams34]

I'd say very much time to panic. Phins 0-2. Jets 2-0.

[RickyWilliams34]

I blame Ginn, the defense, and Dan Carpenter for his missed kick. I swear, only the Dolphins can lose a game when having the ball for that long.

The Bengals could maybe?

[Hateohiostate]

I would appreciate if anyone in the Miami could get me a couple of those fusion razors with the Dolphins logo on it. I hate the Broncos, and that's my only choice out here in the wild west.
Thanks,

[UFCFan]

I'd say very much time to panic. Phins 0-2. Jets 2-0.

It was the same deal last year. There's no need for panic anyway. With the schedule they have and the high probability that they wouldn't catch anywhere as many lucky breaks as they did last season, the playoffs were an iffy proposition before the season even started.

[mmevile]

It was the same deal last year. There's no need for panic anyway. With the schedule they have and the high probability that they wouldn't catch anywhere as many lucky breaks as they did last season, the playoffs were an iffy proposition before the season even started.Yeah, I was gonna say those record sound awfully familiar....so that means the breakout game would be w/ the chargers next week. :D

[rugbyplayer11]

I think the Def. coordinator is at fault as well. What is up with all those blitzes on the last drive. Manning is way smarter than that, and it shows

[Phinfankid]

I blame the whole secondary except for Sean Smith! I mean seriously... how is Will Allen getting picked on more than both rookies? Am I the only one seeing this? Will Allen and G. Wilson in my opinion need to get off the field as quick as these rooks learn the playbook!!!

He Blows!!!!:mad:

And while Ted Ginn does tick me off a lot. he kept us in the game with a lot of quick first down strikes. If Ronnie Brown fumbled, we all would QUICK to blame him! :rolleyes: So while YES, a #1 WR should have caught that, Ted was the least of our problems!

Will Allen and Gibril Wilson were the problem!!!:mad:

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Actually Ted is the most of our problems as hes one of teh highest paid players on offense and is softer than charmin. He cant catch unless he has nobody on him. The first sign of contact hes look of the ground or the sidelines. If we wanted a player like Marvin Harrison.....wed go get Marvin Harrison, at least his hands are great. Ginn kills this offense. The D wasnt great but lets be honest, Peyton shreds most D's in the league.

[Vandy58]

Actually Ted is the most of our problems as hes one of teh highest paid players on offense and is softer than charmin. He cant catch unless he has nobody on him. The first sign of contact hes look of the ground or the sidelines. If we wanted a player like Marvin Harrison.....wed go get Marvin Harrison, at least his hands are great. Ginn kills this offense. The D wasnt great but lets be honest, Peyton shreds most D's in the league.

+1

[Vandy58]

Ted Ginn wasn't the prob, those 2 drops were not his fault. Both times the ball hit him in the hands, so I can't blame him. :p

Seriously, it's not Ginn's fault we lost.....it's the defense -- those guys STUNK! BTW, good job Ronnie Brown. I still hate you, I still think you blow.....but tonight, you did good. Next week....hmmmm? ;) I'm glad the Fins specifically practiced more this week to anticipate Dallas Clark, it definitely showed. :rolleyes: Oh well, crappy night but not time to panic yet. GO FINS! :)

I do not understand your hatred towards Ronnie? Do you still think we should have chosen cadilliac? Ginn and the secondary lost us this game! How in gods name does a TE, even a "hybrid TE" get 200 yards and 2 td's on a few catches??? A ****TY SECONDARY.

[rugbyplayer11]

I do not understand your hatred towards Ronnie? Do you still think we should have chosen cadilliac? Ginn and the secondary lost us this game! How in gods name does a TE, even a "hybrid TE" get 200 yards and 2 td's on a few catches??? A ****TY SECONDARY.
I agree, for the most part Brown has done his job. He is no AP or anything like that, but if Marino would have had him, then he might have a ring. The Secondary is just awful. Smith looks like he could be good in the future, but everyone else just looks like they are underachieving. Until they spend some money getting quality S and CB, the D is not going to go anywhere. Also, they need a big play WR. Ginn sucks. He is a wr 3, maybe a WR 2 but there is no big play threat. We need to go after a big WR in the draft next year, or get a young WR from FA

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

actually vandy its the LB's and S's responsibility for the TE, not fair to lump in the CB's, but I agree with you.I think having both JT and JP rushing the QB puts Channing Crowder in a tough spot covering slot WRs and TEs we struggled with two TEs now in Gonzo and Clark. Needs to be addressed ASAP!

[UFCFan]

It's easy to pin it on Ginn because he really should have caught that ball (and the one earlier in the game too where he didn't stretch out enough). The fact is, until he is playing with a QB who can throw the ball down the field at least somewhat regularly, his talent will not be utilized what so ever. I thought he made some huge catches last night. No, he's not the most physical guy in the world and that does really irritate me. He is what he is, though. A speed guy who is stuck playing in a punchless dink and dunk offense. He did his job last night quite well, I thought, for the most part.

I was really hoping Patrick Turner would step up and be the physical WR the team needs down in the red area. We'll see if that comes to fruition down the road, but right now it is apparent that their WR's are pretty pedestrian, and the offensive style does them no favors. When a secondary only really has to worry about covering the underneath part of the field, it makes their job infinitely easier. They also have plenty of help from LB's dropping back into coverage in that area. Every team should at least attempt a few shots down the field per game- I don't care how conservative your offensive schemes are. The possibility of it will at least keep a defense honest.

Ginn is not the reason they lost last night, even though it is easy to pin it on him.

[Vandy58]

I agree he did make some huge catches but he also lost some. Even if we had an amazing quaterback that could utilize his talent could he catch the damn ball? That ball hit both fingers, that is not the first time he has lost a ball like that. Usually they are for first down or 10-15 yards. That was the first time it was for a game so it stands out a lot more. He had a chance to bail out our terrible D and half assed offense last night and blew it. We need a #1 WR, simple as that
It's easy to pin it on Ginn because he really should have caught that ball (and the one earlier in the game too where he didn't stretch out enough). The fact is, until he is playing with a QB who can throw the ball down the field at least somewhat regularly, his talent will not be utilized what so ever. I thought he made some huge catches last night. No, he's not the most physical guy in the world and that does really irritate me. He is what he is, though. A speed guy who is stuck playing in a punchless dink and dunk offense. He did his job last night quite well, I thought, for the most part.

I was really hoping Patrick Turner would step up and be the physical WR the team needs down in the red area. We'll see if that comes to fruition down the road, but right now it is apparent that their WR's are pretty pedestrian, and the offensive style does them no favors. When a secondary only really has to worry about covering the underneath part of the field, it makes their job infinitely easier. They also have plenty of help from LB's dropping back into coverage in that area. Every team should at least attempt a few shots down the field per game- I don't care how conservative your offensive schemes are. The possibility of it will at least keep a defense honest.

Ginn is not the reason they lost last night, even though it is easy to pin it on him.

[MIAMI 305]

Ted Ginn wasn't the prob, those 2 drops were not his fault. Both times the ball hit him in the hands, so I can't blame him. :p

Seriously, it's not Ginn's fault we lost.....it's the defense -- those guys STUNK! BTW, good job Ronnie Brown. I still hate you, I still think you blow.....but tonight, you did good. Next week....hmmmm? ;) I'm glad the Fins specifically practiced more this week to anticipate Dallas Clark, it definitely showed. :rolleyes: Oh well, crappy night but not time to panic yet. GO FINS! :)

Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?

[UFCFan]

I agree he did make some huge catches but he also lost some. Even if we had an amazing quaterback that could utilize his talent could he catch the damn ball? That ball hit both fingers, that is not the first time he has lost a ball like that. Usually they are for first down or 10-15 yards. That was the first time it was for a game so it stands out a lot more. He had a chance to bail out our terrible D and half assed offense last night and blew it. We need a #1 WR, simple as that

Ginn absolutely needs to step up and play more consistently, there's no denying that what so ever. He is not a #1 WR, but I stand by what I said earlier-that he would be far more effective in a more dynamic offense with a QB that has the capability to test defenses down the field.

His two drops last night are magnified because of how the game turned out, but they were two drops and neither ball was a terribly easy catch. He should have caught them, but there are several WR's around the league that wouldn't make those two catches with regularity, either. The one he dropped at the end looked like a simple catch but it really wasn't. Just because he had one on one coverage doesn't make it automatic. He got his hands on it, but his arm was also being yanked by the DB, and his jersey was being yanked by the DB's other hand. It sucks that it would have been a game winner, but it wasn't meant to be. That's a ball that most of the elite WR's in the league probably come down with maybe 5 out of 10 times. I'd give Randy Moss and Andre Johnson a bit better odds, but it's still about a 50-50 proposition.

[UFCFan]

Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?

His dislike for Brown does seem to be rather irrational. I've about given up on trying to reason with him over it, too. It has to boil down to the fact that he was the 2nd pick in the draft and that he doesn't routinely break off 65 yard TD runs.

[mmevile]

Did he refuse to give you an autograph or something?
Haha, I like that....that's funny. :D Yeah, sorry....not a fan of the guy. He hasn't done anything to merit all the mancrushes he's been getting -- I don't get it?!? :confused: I just think he's a very pedestrian player. But I don't want to spoil it for most of you out there -- maybe I'm wrong....I guess 10yrs from now we'll see who's wrong & who's right. ;)

[mmevile]

I was seriously going to post how well Brown is doing so early in the game.......and then he fumbled by the endzone just before I'm finished. :rolleyes:

[mmevile]

Tsk tsk tsk Ted Ginn. That's 2 dropped passes back to back, sure 1 was a little low but both were catchable. This is tough to watch.

[UFCFan]

I was seriously going to post how well Brown is doing so early in the game.......and then he fumbled by the endzone just before I'm finished. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that was clearly all his fault, too. :rolleyes: Jesus dude, we get it. It's perfectly fine to not like a player, but your hatred is so irrational in this case. Instead of harping on one of the few guys they have on their roster that are even in the ballpark of being considered a playmaker, why not take the disgusting offensive system to task? Or the complete inability of the secondary (and LB's) to cover a slot receiver or any other one who goes across the middle of the field?

It was a very hard game to watch today. I sure hope Henne can settle down some with a week of taking full reps in practice. He looked really antsy out there. I guess that's to be expected considering how little game action he's seen, but he needs to calm down. The o line and receivers didn't offer him very much help-nor did the playcalling.

[mmevile]

Yeah, that was clearly all his fault, too. :rolleyes: Jesus dude, we get it. It's perfectly fine to not like a player, but your hatred is so irrational in this case. Instead of harping on one of the few guys they have on their roster that are even in the ballpark of being considered a playmaker, why not take the disgusting offensive system to task? Or the complete inability of the secondary (and LB's) to cover a slot receiver or any other one who goes across the middle of the field?So does this mean you're not faulting Brown for that fumble? :confused:

[Chugga]

Tough season so far. It's a shame you are going to have to start off 0-4

[UFCFan]

So does this mean you're not faulting Brown for that fumble? :confused:

I'm not going to fault him any more(or less) than I am Pennington (whom the fumble was officially credited to). It was a botched handoff that came at a real lousy time. It was what it was. My bigger point is that for whatever reason, you love to harp on Brown even when he is about the furthest reason why the team loses. I'm not even a Brown fanboy at all, either. Yes, I like him as a player, and I do feel that some Dolphins fans expect far too much out of him, but when he genuinely screws up or plays poorly, I have no problem at all calling him out on the carpet for it. It seems like he is just your go to scapegoat, though, which I just don't agree with at all most of the time.

You've now seen two games in a row that when the dude gets carries, he performs. He had over 60 yards on the ground just on the first offensive possession of the game. You really can't ask for much more out of your starting running back. The team's problems are many (on offense and defense), so you should definitely be able to dole your vitriol out more equitably than you do.

The offense lacks playmakers all around. Pennington's lack of arm strength almost completely negates the offense's ability to stretch the field vertically on any consistent basis. Henne has arm strength but is as green as lime jello still. The WR's either can't catch a pass or when they do, they can't get any YAC. The whole offense is just punchless. You see the last two games how easy it has been for the opponent to gain big chunks of yardage by throwing the ball downfield. Kudos to them for exploiting the secondary's horrific coverage and tackling.

I will say that the CB's have mostly played ok. Sean Smith hasn't gotten beaten badly since the Atlanta game (on a ball that Matt Ryan overthrew anyway). He had great coverage on the long completion to Malcolm Floyd today. It was just a great catch. The play of the safeties, however, is putrid. The LB's are also complete garbage when they have to drop into coverage-especially Channing Crowder. He has gotten totally used two games in a row now.

[UFCFan]

Tough season so far. It's a shame you are going to have to start off 0-4

Could very well be the case. We'll see. Out of all the teams on their schedule in the next 4-5 weeks, I like their chances against Buffalo than I do the next few weeks after. Trent Edwards has looked pretty good throwing the ball so far this season, though, which is the big bug-a-boo for the Dolphins defense so far. Don't crow too much, though. If the Dolphins had played Tampa in any of their first three games, they would probably be 1-2 as well. ;)

[vacacayendo]

Ive removed ted ginn jr from my fantasy team....I probably shouldve never had him on it to begin with..

AGAIN, he fails at his job. 2 passes, both catchable (albeit one was a little more difficult, but nothing a #9 draft pick from ohio state shouldntve been able to pick up).

Brown had a stellar game (minus the fumble)...as did ricky...I love having them both around.

Henne made a ton of rookie mistakes, and you can tell that he hasnt gotten a ton of practice with 1st string offense - his cadence was different and the Oline proved it. I tihnk with a little practice he will be fine... but for the love of god, they need to let him air it out - we brought him in because of his arm and poise...and having him run these slant passes isnt letting him do what he was supposed to.

this was a heartcrushing game to watch. ***** needs to change asap or we will be drafting high in 2010.

[mmevile]

Noted. So I guess I can take that 18 carries for 75yrds is something I should consider 'performing'? I understand he had receiving yrds also, but you mentioned yourself that 60 of those yrds was from the opening drive which netted 0 pts.
I'm not even a Brown fanboy at all, either. Yes, I like him as a player, and I do feel that some Dolphins fans expect far too much out of him, but when he genuinely screws up or plays poorly, I have no problem at all calling him out on the carpet for it......

You've now seen two games in a row that when the dude gets carries, he performs. He had over 60 yards on the ground just on the first offensive possession of the game.....

[UFCFan]

Noted. So I guess I can take that 18 carries for 75yrds is something I should consider 'performing'? I understand he had receiving yrds also, but you mentioned yourself that 60 of those yrds was from the opening drive which netted 0 pts.

Uh...yeah, I think you can. What the hell else should anyone take it as? You act like real football is Madden or something. Name me one back in the league that puts up a buck or more every single week. There's not a damn thing wrong with 18-75. It isn't spectacular, but at the same time, you're implying that it sucks. It's ludicrous.

Why not just tell us once and for all exactly what you are expecting out of Brown-or anyone else who plays RB for Miami. He is the one guy out there making plays the last two weeks and you act like he is costing the team wins or something. So, again.........what is your deal? Is it still the #2 pick in the draft thing and him not being Adrian Peterson?

No offense man, but you must either be really young, or you didn't watch much football earlier on in your life. If you were older, you would remember the incredibly long line of crappy running backs that the Dolphins had for years. They went almost 20 years without having a 1,000 yard runner.

[MIAMI 305]

Can we give Ted Ginn to the Jets as an early christmas present?

[Vandy58]

+1 Perfectly said
Yeah, that was clearly all his fault, too. :rolleyes: Jesus dude, we get it. It's perfectly fine to not like a player, but your hatred is so irrational in this case. Instead of harping on one of the few guys they have on their roster that are even in the ballpark of being considered a playmaker, why not take the disgusting offensive system to task? Or the complete inability of the secondary (and LB's) to cover a slot receiver or any other one who goes across the middle of the field?

It was a very hard game to watch today. I sure hope Henne can settle down some with a week of taking full reps in practice. He looked really antsy out there. I guess that's to be expected considering how little game action he's seen, but he needs to calm down. The o line and receivers didn't offer him very much help-nor did the playcalling.

[Vandy58]

Uh...yeah, I think you can. What the hell else should anyone take it as? You act like real football is Madden or something. Name me one back in the league that puts up a buck or more every single week. There's not a damn thing wrong with 18-75. It isn't spectacular, but at the same time, you're implying that it sucks. It's ludicrous.

Why not just tell us once and for all exactly what you are expecting out of Brown-or anyone else who plays RB for Miami. He is the one guy out there making plays the last two weeks and you act like he is costing the team wins or something. So, again.........what is your deal? Is it still the #2 pick in the draft thing and him not being Adrian Peterson?

No offense man, but you must either be really young, or you didn't watch much football earlier on in your life. If you were older, you would remember the incredibly long line of crappy running backs that the Dolphins had for years. They went almost 20 years without having a 1,000 yard runner.

I remember those years. If we had a runner we would not be sad that Marino never got a ring, he would have had one:(

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Guys I didnt get to watch the game yesterday, but Im the ultimate Chad Henne fan, how did he look? I read he looked like a rookie but how about his arm? feet? Did he look like a potential leader? I think hes our future.

[rugbyplayer11]

I remember those years. If we had a runner we would not be sad that Marino never got a ring, he would have had one:(
Yeah I remember them too, and that is my one reason I always say Marino was better than Montana. If he would have had a good RB then I really think he would have had multiple rings

[Vandy58]

Guys I didnt get to watch the game yesterday, but Im the ultimate Chad Henne fan, how did he look? I read he looked like a rookie but how about his arm? feet? Did he look like a potential leader? I think hes our future.

He looked scared, which is understandable I guess. He looked very hesitant on the times he threw. He did throw a pick that was run back for a TD other then that he looked okay. I will give him a couple of games before I make a judgement

[mmevile]

Uh...yeah, I think you can. What the hell else should anyone take it as? You act like real football is Madden or something. Name me one back in the league that puts up a buck or more every single week. There's not a damn thing wrong with 18-75. It isn't spectacular, but at the same time, you're implying that it sucks. It's ludicrous..15 yrds for what is almost a full game IS what I call sucks....sorry I just don't see the dude in rose-colored glasses like you. If he does good then I'll point it out, if he becomes consistently good with or without help from others even better......until then....

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

He looked scared, which is understandable I guess. He looked very hesitant on the times he threw. He did throw a pick that was run back for a TD other then that he looked okay. I will give him a couple of games before I make a judgement

How was the play calling? Hes got a rocket arm, did we utilize it at all? How was the protection and for the love of GOD tell me he didnt throw anything towards #19 ( I refuse to say his name as its now a bad word in my household)?

[UFCFan]

15 yrds for what is almost a full game IS what I call sucks....sorry I just don't see the dude in rose-colored glasses like you. If he does good then I'll point it out, if he becomes consistently good with or without help from others even better......until then....

What is the 15 yard number from? One of the Ravens games last year? Like I said before, there isn't a back in the league who consistently puts up big numbers week in and week out. History has proven when Brown gets a good number of carries, he produces. You have to look beyond just the numbers, too. Usually when Brown has really low yardage, he barely gets any carries. If the run game gets totally shut down early, they often go away from it entirely.

I get your frustration with the uneven performances, but I think you need to look more at the offensive playcalling most of the time. As for the rose colored glasses comment- I don't see anyone on the team through rose colored glasses-Brown included. I am the furthest thing from a homer. I am more than willing to call anyone on the team out for their performance, or lack of. However, I at least do it in a rational manner, and when it is warranted.

You trash Brown up and down, left and right because it seems like you just have a vendetta against him or are still so hung up on him being the 2nd pick in the draft in 2005 and you expect him to break long TD runs every week. Even when he has a big game you make comments like "nice game Ronnie Brown. You still suck, but good job."

[UFCFan]

How was the play calling? Hes got a rocket arm, did we utilize it at all? How was the protection and for the love of GOD tell me he didnt throw anything towards #19 ( I refuse to say his name as its now a bad word in my household)?

They seemed to open it up just a bit at the very end of the game, but early on when he came in, it was all short stuff and a lot of handoffs-pretty much what you would expect when what is basically a rookie QB comes into a game with not much preparation.

He threw downfield a bit later on and was a bit off on most of the throws. He threw two balls to Ginn on back to back plays that were both dropped. They weren't perfect throws but the catch should have been made both times. Henne looked antsy in the pocket and put too much velocity on the short stuff. He also had a ton of pressure almost every single time he dropped back. San Diego pretty much sold out trying to rush him hard and the O line did not hold up very well.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

They seemed to open it up just a bit at the very end of the game, but early on when he came in, it was all short stuff and a lot of handoffs-pretty much what you would expect when what is basically a rookie QB comes into a game with not much preparation.

He threw downfield a bit later on and was a bit off on most of the throws. He threw two balls to Ginn on back to back plays that were both dropped. They weren't perfect throws but the catch should have been made both times. Henne looked antsy in the pocket and put too much velocity on the short stuff. He also had a ton of pressure almost every single time he dropped back. San Diego pretty much sold out trying to rush him hard and the O line did not hold up very well.

Thanks, I missed the game. I sure hope he settles down when hes in charge of his surroundings hes an awesome leader. The one thing that worries me is his accuracy can come and go, but with coaching he should be able to harness that cannon he has. I sure hope hes the answer because I cant stand to imagine...ugh..Pat White as our last hope.

[UFCFan]

Pat White was a wasted pick. There's no justifying it to this day. It was a luxury pick, plain and simple, and this team isn't good enough nor do they have a good enough core to be taking luxury picks high in the second round.

Henne on his worst day is a better player than White is.

[Chugga]

I remember those years. If we had a runner we would not be sad that Marino never got a ring, he would have had one:(

The Bills still would have murdered you....much like we'll do on Sunday

[Vandy58]

The Bills still would have murdered you....much like we'll do on Sunday


80's no freaking way, early 90's good games out of both, late 90's in your dreams chugga!

[Vandy58]

Pat White was a wasted pick. There's no justifying it to this day. It was a luxury pick, plain and simple, and this team isn't good enough nor do they have a good enough core to be taking luxury picks high in the second round.

Henne on his worst day is a better player than White is.

AGree

[MIAMI 305]

Pennington's career is likely over after today's news.

[UFCFan]

Pennington's career is likely over after today's news.

I feel bad for Pennington if this is truly the end of his career. At the same time, I can see the bigger picture. He wasn't going to take the team any further than they got last season. It will be good to get Henne a lot of in game action so they can see what they have in him.

I hated Pennington for years when he was with the Jets. Not because I actually hated him, but because he always killed the Dolphins. I've always respected the hell out of the way he carried himself and how smart he has been as a player. He made the most out of what I feel is limited ability. Thanks for last year, Chad. Thanks for bringing some professionalism back to the franchise.

[RickyWilliams34]

I feel so bad for Pennington. If his arm had held up and had any kind of arm strength, he couldve been special. Such a smart and likeable player. His leadership is what got the Dolphins to the playoffs last year. I hope this isn't the last we see of him in the NFL, even though it won't be with Miami. Thanks for last season.

[RickyWilliams34]

Whoa. Very similar posts.

[Chugga]

80's no freaking way, early 90's good games out of both, late 90's in your dreams chugga!

Wow you are so torn up over you're 0-4 start that we are going back to hypothetical situations from the Dan Marino era. I don't know about "what could have been" but I do know the Buffalo Bills were the Dan Marino killer. Bruce Smith still haunts his dreams

0-4 isn't too bad though so there's really no need to be so defensive

[MIAMI 305]

Wow you are so torn up over you're 0-4 start that we are going back to hypothetical situations from the Dan Marino era. I don't know about "what could have been" but I do know the Buffalo Bills were the Dan Marino killer. Bruce Smith still haunts his dreams

0-4 isn't too bad though so there's really no need to be so defensive

What? Scott Norwood? Four consecutive Super Bowl losses? Music City Miracle? No playoffs since 1999? Speak up, we can't hear you...

[Chugga]

Pennington's career is likely over after today's news.

That's terrible news. I liked Pennington even thought he was always on the wrong teams in the AFC East. If there's any silver lining in this news it's that miami can finally take the bandaid off the gunshot wound and really start moving forward

[dean619]

you guys should have kept running the wildcat with ronnie. i was at the game and i couldn't believe all the yards that he was getting, especially that first drive.

[Vandy58]

Wow that is sad, actually make me depressed because of what he did for us last year! I never thought he was the new face of this franchise but he helped us in a big way, when we were most in need of help!

[Chugga]

What? Scott Norwood? Four consecutive Super Bowl losses? Music City Miracle? No playoffs since 1999? Speak up, we can't hear you...

I on the other hand am not dwelling on "what could have been". I'm in the here and now where the bills are basically 2-2 and the dolphins are 0-4. Believe me if I had a time machine I'd try to go fix some of that right now but unfortunately I don't. I do on the other hand have a tv which as luck would have it, will be broadcasting the dolphins ugly defeat at the hands of the bills this weekend

[MIAMI 305]

I on the other hand am not dwelling on "what could have been". I'm in the here and now where the bills are basically 2-2 and the dolphins are 0-4. Believe me if I had a time machine I'd try to go fix some of that right now but unfortunately I don't. I do on the other hand have a tv which as luck would have it, will be broadcasting the dolphins ugly defeat at the hands of the bills this weekend

The Dolphins are 0-3, not 0-4. Barfalo will be their first win next week.

[Vandy58]

I on the other hand am not dwelling on "what could have been". I'm in the here and now where the bills are basically 2-2 and the dolphins are 0-4. Believe me if I had a time machine I'd try to go fix some of that right now but unfortunately I don't. I do on the other hand have a tv which as luck would have it, will be broadcasting the dolphins ugly defeat at the hands of the bills this weekend

Shall we do a wager, one that involves the boards, like having a title under your name or something along those lines

[UFCFan]

you guys should have kept running the wildcat with ronnie. i was at the game and i couldn't believe all the yards that he was getting, especially that first drive.

Yeah, I would be alarmed at how the interior defense looked if I was a Chargers fan. If the Dolphins had any sort of a dynamic offense that could throw the ball down the field, they could win some games. It was hard to watch yesterday's game, just as it was last Monday. It's not much fun seeing your team have to fight tooth and nail and totally struggle to get any points on the board, only to see the opposing team be able to chuck the ball 50 yards downfield for completions with regularity-or take little bubble screens to the house. The complete inability of the Dolphins offense to make a big play is agonizing.

[UFCFan]

I on the other hand am not dwelling on "what could have been". I'm in the here and now where the bills are basically 2-2 and the dolphins are 0-4. Believe me if I had a time machine I'd try to go fix some of that right now but unfortunately I don't. I do on the other hand have a tv which as luck would have it, will be broadcasting the dolphins ugly defeat at the hands of the bills this weekend

Give me a break, Chugga. "Basically 2-2?" L-O-Effing-L. There is no "basically" in the NFL. They are sitting at 1-2.....a whopping one game better than Miami. They should have won against the Pats, but then Miami should have won the Colts game.

Neither team is going anywhere this season. At least most of the Dolphins fans realize that. The Bills haven't even made the playoffs in 10 years, and haven't actually won a playoff game in like 14. How about you let them finish better than 7-9 in a season before you start spouting off?

[Chugga]

No really theres such thing as "basically" in the NFL. Look it up. It's on the nfl.com site map.

Teams that are likely guaranteed a win in the coming week equal or above a 90% chance are given "basically records". Basically records give the victorious team an assumed victory in their win column while giving the losing team a L in their loss column.

For example. The Giants play the Chiefs next week. They are basically 4-0

*also see....The Bills are playing the Dolphins next week....they are basically 2-2

Honestly I wouldn't talk trash like this. It isn't in my nature. But when NFL.com backs you up what else can I say?

[Chugga]

Shall we do a wager, one that involves the boards, like having a title under your name or something along those lines

I'm all ears.

[Chugga]

Sorry I had to be so blunt. I truly hold no ill will towards anyone in this thread but when it's in black & white I was just reporting.

[UFCFan]

Sorry I had to be so blunt. I truly hold no ill will towards anyone in this thread but when it's in black & white I was just reporting.

I don't give a **** what that stupid nfl.com thing says. Until the Bills looks like the 2007 Patriots you shouldn't be coming in here saying a damn thing, dude.

[RickyWilliams34]

Nfl.com
Wow...that just shows how dumb the media really is.

[Chugga]

UFCFan if I wanted to be a realist I'd pick a different team to root for. For the love of god it's a Bills/Dolphins game. If I can't drum up a little trash talk then sorry for getting excited for one of the two games during the entire season that I actually get hyped for.

I'm sorry I'll leave the thread where you guys can be realists all day long and cry and moan about how you won't make the playoffs or if Ronnie Brown is good or not...me on the other hand instead of waiting another 300 days to say "this is our year" I'm going to try to take whatever enjoyment I can out of this piss pour season I'm going to suffer through.

With that being said we are going to murder you behind the trusty and insanely accurate arm of Trent Edwards. He'll be so accurate you might just start calling us the 2007 Patriots. I hope you scrubs enjoy 0-4 because thats whats on the menu at landshark stadium this sunday.

[Chugga]

Deuces! Until Sunday at least, then I'll be back with another entertaining rant of magic and mystery. Perhaps a gameday wrap up

For the record Vandy I'm game for an avatar bet. If you lose I want you rocking a dude in a banana hammock with the dolphins logo on it.

[Vandy58]

Deuces! Until Sunday at least, then I'll be back with another entertaining rant of magic and mystery. Perhaps a gameday wrap up

For the record Vandy I'm game for an avatar bet. If you lose I want you rocking a dude in a banana hammock with the dolphins logo on it.

For how long?

[UFCFan]

UFCFan if I wanted to be a realist I'd pick a different team to root for. For the love of god it's a Bills/Dolphins game. If I can't drum up a little trash talk then sorry for getting excited for one of the two games during the entire season that I actually get hyped for.

I'm sorry I'll leave the thread where you guys can be realists all day long and cry and moan about how you won't make the playoffs or if Ronnie Brown is good or not...me on the other hand instead of waiting another 300 days to say "this is our year" I'm going to try to take whatever enjoyment I can out of this piss pour season I'm going to suffer through.

With that being said we are going to murder you behind the trusty and insanely accurate arm of Trent Edwards. He'll be so accurate you might just start calling us the 2007 Patriots. I hope you scrubs enjoy 0-4 because thats whats on the menu at landshark stadium this sunday.

No problem, Chief. I apologize for taking your jabs a bit too seriously. I guess it's just a factor of a hangover from yesterday combined with Pennington going down for the count today. I said it before, but Edwards looks impressive throwing downfield so far this year. He looks a lot more comfortable and polished than he did last year, so the thought of him completing long throws down the field to Lee Evans (who has always gashed the Dolphins) and TO is frightening.

[Chugga]

For how long?

How about we make it interesting and base it on the margin of victory.

1-3 point loss = 1 week
4-10 point loss = 2 weeks
11-17 = 3 weeks
17-23 = 4 weeks
24+ = 2 months

You guys have Pennington out but we have Posluszny, McKelvin, and Whitner so it should be interesting.

[Chugga]

No problem, Chief. I apologize for taking your jabs a bit too seriously. I guess it's just a factor of a hangover from yesterday combined with Pennington going down for the count today. I said it before, but Edwards looks impressive throwing downfield so far this year. He looks a lot more comfortable and polished than he did last year, so the thought of him completing long throws down the field to Lee Evans (who has always gashed the Dolphins) and TO is frightening.

No hard feelings, I just like to rile things up a bit before the Dolphins/Bills games. It's one of the few games that regardless of how bad the Bills are or how bad the Dolphins are it's still played relatively close. After going 0-2 last year I'm bitter and ready to change that around.

[Vandy58]

So the same would be for you correct? Guy in a bills banna hammock?
How about we make it interesting and base it on the margin of victory.

1-3 point loss = 1 week
4-10 point loss = 2 weeks
11-17 = 3 weeks
17-23 = 4 weeks
24+ = 2 months

You guys have Pennington out but we have Posluszny, McKelvin, and Whitner so it should be interesting.

[Chugga]

It's up to you what avatar I wear as long as it's within reason

[UFCFan]

Looks like both Whitner and McKelvin will be out for the game Sunday. Too bad the Dolphins still won't try to throw the ball downfield too much.

[Vandy58]

It's up to you what avatar I wear as long as it's within reason

I will get back to you

[mmevile]

What is the 15 yard number from?Last Sunday, he finished w/ 18 carries for 75yrds......you stated yourself that 60 of those yrds was from that opening drive.....which means the rest of the game he managed to rush for 15yrds total. BTW, we're not counting the receiving yrds he also had.

[UFCFan]

Last Sunday, he finished w/ 18 carries for 75yrds......you stated yourself that 60 of those yrds was from that opening drive.....which means the rest of the game he managed to rush for 15yrds total. BTW, we're not counting the receiving yrds he also had.

Ok. Your "point", if you are even attempting to make one anymore, still sucks.

[RickyWilliams34]

Those 15 yards were on how many carries? This should be interesting.

[mmevile]

Those 15 yards were on how many carries? This should be interesting.How many carries did he have on that opening drive? Anyone know, I don't have the game tivo'd?

Edit: nevermind, here's the stats on that opening drive.
R. Brown had 10 carries if we're counting that last one he fumbled. Total yrds = 51yrds just from him. His lone run that broke 10yrds is 12 yrds. The rest are dingers. Which means the rest of the game he had 8 carries for 24yrds = average: 3yrds.

[UFCFan]

How many carries did he have on that opening drive? Anyone know, I don't have the game tivo'd?

Edit: nevermind, here's the stats on that opening drive.
R. Brown had 10 carries if we're counting that last one he fumbled. Total yrds = 51yrds just from him. His lone run that broke 10yrds is 12 yrds. The rest are dingers. Which means the rest of the game he had 8 carries for 24yrds = average: 3yrds.

So anything that goes for under 10 yards is a "dinger"(whatever in the hell that is supposed to be)? Newsflash-the NFL average carry is like 3.6 yards per carry or something close to that. He had at least a few runs on that opening drive that went for anywhere from 6-9 yards in addition to the 12 yarder.

Again, you continue to attempt to bend numbers to try and fit whatever "argument" you are trying to make. The 8 carries for 24 yards thing? Who gives a flying ****, dude? The average is based on every carry for the game, not just the ones that make your claim look valid. Anything to discount Brown, though, huh? How many yards did Michael Turner have yesterday? How many did Chris Johnson have before he finally broke off a couple long runs. Hell, Maurice Jones-Drew had a big game yesterday too. He had 23 carries for 119 yards-an average of 5.2 ypc. However, take away his 61 yard run and it was 22 carries for 58 yards-an average of 2.6 ypc. See? I can twist numbers too.

The bottom line is that you're climbing all over the wrong player's ass. Of all the things that ARE very wrong with the team, Brown sure as **** aint one of them. For some reason, though, he is always your whipping boy. It's nothing but irrational dislike. Whatever your reasoning may be, try and keep in mind that most backs who consistently put up big rushing numbers have one huge luxury Brown doesn't-a passing game. About the only guy I can think of that is stellar without the benefit of a good passing attack is Adrian Peterson-or at least the Vikings didn't have a good passing game in the past. Peterson is clearly a better player than Brown, there's no denying that. I think the fact that Brown has been able to put up the numbers he has with that absolutely anemic passing offense the Dolphins have makes it all the more impressive.

[mzdaspeed30]

B- BOY
I - I
L- LOVE
L- LOSING
S- SUPERBOWLS

:D

[cochese75]

How many carries did he have on that opening drive? Anyone know, I don't have the game tivo'd?

Edit: nevermind, here's the stats on that opening drive.
R. Brown had 10 carries if we're counting that last one he fumbled. Total yrds = 51yrds just from him. His lone run that broke 10yrds is 12 yrds. The rest are dingers. Which means the rest of the game he had 8 carries for 24yrds = average: 3yrds.

what?!? :eek:
i bolded what the problem was...



i guess Ronnie shouldve called more plays for himself :rolleyes:


:spawnorb:

[cochese75]

No hard feelings, I just like to rile things up a bit before the Dolphins/Bills games. It's one of the few games that regardless of how bad the Bills are or how bad the Dolphins are it's still played relatively close. After going 0-2 last year I'm bitter and ready to change that around.

i guess these guys dont know you. i knew you'd be showing up :mad::D




:spawnorb:

[mmevile]

I think the fact that Brown has been able to put up the numbers he has with that absolutely anemic passing offense the Dolphins have makes it all the more impressive.Isn't this the perpetual question in nfl offense.....kinda like who came 1st: the chicken or the egg? So in nfl terms: does a good running game give success to the passing game or vice versa? I gotta hand it to Ronnie though, he's a better receiver than Ginn is. :D

[RickyWilliams34]

It's def the passing helps the running. Sure it can work the other way but if a big play cant be made in the passing game, the defense doesnt have to worry about 20+ yards out.

[Vandy58]

Okay so I guess they have no faith in Pat White

MIAMI -- Chad Pennington's season officially ended with a trade that didn't involve him.

The Miami Dolphins placed Pennington on the reserve-injured list to create a roster spot for quarterback Tyler Thigpen, who was acquired Tuesday from the Kansas City Chiefs for an undisclosed 2010 draft pick.



Thigpen

Pennington hurt his right shoulder in the third quarter Sunday at San Diego, an injury that leaves his career in jeopardy.

The 33-year-old has since elected to undergo a third surgery to repair a torn capsule in his shoulder, according to the Miami Herald.

Dr. James Andrews will perform the procedure on Friday in Birmingham, Ala., the newspaper reported. Andrews previously operated on Pennington's shoulder in 2004 and 2005.

Thigpen shores up depth behind second-year pro Chad Henne, who is expected to make his first NFL start Sunday against Buffalo. Henne went 10-for-19 for 92 yards with an interception after replacing Pennington. Rookie Pat White is the Dolphins' other quarterback.

Thigpen, a third-year pro, went 1-10 as a starter for the woeful Chiefs last year after both Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard went down with season-ending injuries. He threw for 2,608 yards with 18 touchdowns and 12 interceptions.


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Kansas City acquired Matt Cassel in the offseason, and Thigpen lost a battle this year with Croyle for the No. 2 job.

Thigpen is excited about the move to Miami, even though the Dolphins are 0-3, Thigpen's agent, Joel Turner, said.

"It's not like that team is short on talent -- they won the division last year," Turner said. "It's a wonderful opportunity. Nobody does it like Bill Parcells. For Bill Parcells to believe in Tyler speaks volumes about Tyler."

Parcells may have Wildcat duty in mind for Thigpen, who ran a spread offense last year with the Chiefs. At 225 pounds, he's a powerful runner and the first quarterback in Chiefs history to score a touchdown three ways: as a passer, rusher and receiver.

Henne is expected to get an extended opportunity as a starter. Taken in the second round of the 2008 draft, he has been considered Pennington's heir apparent for more than a year.

The Dolphins will be Thigpen's third organization. He was a seventh-round draft pick by Minnesota in 2007.

[Vandy58]

Any thoughts on Thigpin?

[Miami Mike]

Any thoughts on Thigpin?

I think its a play for someone with actual game experience. Henne and White are as green as it gets. Let's just call him a backup band-aid.


Chugga, I feel sorry that the Bills will go 0-2 against the Fins again this year. No hard feelings. :D

Maybe they can beat the Browns the following week............maybe. ;)

[UFCFan]

Isn't this the perpetual question in nfl offense.....kinda like who came 1st: the chicken or the egg? So in nfl terms: does a good running game give success to the passing game or vice versa? I gotta hand it to Ronnie though, he's a better receiver than Ginn is. :D

No, it's not the perpetual question at all. There is absolutely no denying (by anyone in their right mind) that a good passing offense makes a team's running game exponentially easier and more effective in most cases. There will be more run lanes opened up, safeties won't consistently be creeping up towards the line of scrimmage, and LB's won't be sitting on the underneath all the time. Look at the Saints right now. Do you really believe that Mike Bell and Pierre Thomas are that good? No, they're not. They have both benefitted from their stellar pasing attack. Hell, even that 3rd back they had in for a while last week, Lydell Hamilton or whatever, was getting some good chunks on the ground.

It's rare for teams with horrible passing offenses to have running backs who are consistently good. The only recent example I can think of is Adrian Peterson. He is a "once every 15 years" or more kind of talent, though. He would get his numbers regardless. Brown isn't on that level, and no one here is saying he is. However, he IS arguably the only thing close to a playmaker on the whole offense and he is a far better player than you give him credit for.

[Miami Mike]

i guess these guys dont know you. i knew you'd be showing up :mad::D




:spawnorb:


Like an unwanted relative. :p

[UFCFan]

Any thoughts on Thigpin?

See yesterday's thread. Thigpen was a nice pickup. They're basically taking a flyer on him. They needed another QB and he is a better option than some washed up journeyman. There's not much more to go on. He did some real nice things at the end of last season for Kansas City (including the game against Miami), but he is still raw.

[Chugga]

So who gets the most snaps at QB this week against the Bills....

A. Pat White
B. Chad Henne
C. Ronnie Brown

Smart money is on Ronnie Brown as we all know you won't be able to run a real offense this Sunday. Quick pick up the Bills defense in your fantasy leagues I'm predicting a defensive TD, 4 sacks, and 2 interceptions. On their way to a 38-2 win. (Trent Edwards had to kneel so many times in the 4th quarter that he accidentally kneeled in the endzone)

[Chugga]

For the record Tyler Thigpen is the man.

[Vandy58]

See yesterday's thread. Thigpen was a nice pickup. They're basically taking a flyer on him. They needed another QB and he is a better option than some washed up journeyman. There's not much more to go on. He did some real nice things at the end of last season for Kansas City (including the game against Miami), but he is still raw.

There was a thread?

[Vandy58]

Just found it and read it, good stuff. I was happy about it personally. I still hope Henne can develop into something really special. We have not seen a "gun" in a while

[Vandy58]

Is it too much to ask that the dolphins win and TO gets at least 2 TD's?
So who gets the most snaps at QB this week against the Bills....

A. Pat White
B. Chad Henne
C. Ronnie Brown

Smart money is on Ronnie Brown as we all know you won't be able to run a real offense this Sunday. Quick pick up the Bills defense in your fantasy leagues I'm predicting a defensive TD, 4 sacks, and 2 interceptions. On their way to a 38-2 win. (Trent Edwards had to kneel so many times in the 4th quarter that he accidentally kneeled in the endzone)

[UFCFan]

Is it too much to ask that the dolphins win and TO gets at least 2 TD's?

Considering how difficult it is for the Dolphins offense to put points on the board, absolutely.

[Chugga]

Is it too much to ask that the dolphins win and TO gets at least 2 TD's?

Considering our punter threw for more TDs than our QB last week, it's doubtful.

[cochese75]

So who gets the most snaps at QB this week against the Bills....

A. Pat White
B. Chad Henne
C. Ronnie Brown

Smart money is on Ronnie Brown as we all know you won't be able to run a real offense this Sunday. Quick pick up the Bills defense in your fantasy leagues I'm predicting a defensive TD, 4 sacks, and 2 interceptions. On their way to a 38-2 win. (Trent Edwards had to kneel so many times in the 4th quarter that he accidentally kneeled in the endzone)

D. Terrell Owens

After the game he'll be snapping at his QB about not getting him the ball :D


:spawnorb:

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Considering our punter threw for more TDs than our QB last week, it's doubtful.

He also threw more TDs than our QB......just sayin.

[Vandy58]

Considering our punter threw for more TDs than our QB last week, it's doubtful.

I need that worthless piece of human crap to start getting some passes and TD's to get me some points. I need the "gun" to throw to him and "hot hands" to catch them!

[cochese75]

Deuces! Until Sunday at least, then I'll be back with another entertaining rant of magic and mystery. Perhaps a gameday wrap up

For the record Vandy I'm game for an avatar bet. If you lose I want you rocking a dude in a banana hammock with the dolphins logo on it.

can't wait to read it......LOL

this Win was too easy and it's still the 3rd quarter


:spawnorb:

[Chugga]

My spirit is broken. For the love of God, I hope Terrell Owens blows up so bad that he tears up the entire organization

[UFCFan]

Thanks for spouting off all week, Chugs. I know it was all in "good team rivalry trash talking" fun, but it makes the victory all the more enjoyable.

The Bills offensive and defensive lines got absolutely abused today. That was the big story of the game IMO. Cameron Wake looked like a monster out there, too. 3 sacks and just missed a couple more. His first step is really quick.

[Vandy58]

****, chugga we should have bet!!!!!

[RickyWilliams34]

So my main question is for a certain someone...
Did Ronnie Brown play to your liking?

[UFCFan]

So my main question is for a certain someone...
Did Ronnie Brown play to your liking?

I wouldn't even bother anymore if I were you. I know I'm done trying to rationalize with him about it. I think logic waved bye-bye to him a long time ago. Besides, even if he was somehow pacified by his performance today, he would be just as quick to start whining again the second Brown has a less than stellar performance.

[Phinfankid]

All I gotta ask is... Who was Vontae Shhhh-shing after he scored? LMFAO

[Chugga]

Thanks for spouting off all week, Chugs. I know it was all in "good team rivalry trash talking" fun, but it makes the victory all the more enjoyable.

The Bills offensive and defensive lines got absolutely abused today. That was the big story of the game IMO. Cameron Wake looked like a monster out there, too. 3 sacks and just missed a couple more. His first step is really quick.

The Bills offensive line is just absolutely terrible. The defensive line is also a joke. And our QB doesn't want to throw a pass over 5 yards. Truthfully I don't even know why teams cover Owens and Evans with CBs. If I were the dolphins I would have just left Owens and Evans alone and then covered our RB's and TE's with cornerbacks. You would have completely shut down whatever offense we had once checkdowns became more difficult.

[rugbyplayer11]

its good to see the Dolphins get that win. One of my best buddies is a Bills fan. So its nice to rub it in his face

[Al Snickkerson]

Has TO posioned another locker room?

[MarvLevyshead]

Offensive line for Buffalo is a joke, but the D-Line played well today. Our Linebacker corp is terrible, and our secondary was missing Whitner and Leodis badly.

Dolphins did a good job and there were only a few morons at the stadium today, unlike usual where there are many.

So good for them.

[vacacayendo]

was at the game today.... SOOOOOO ***** AMAZING!!!!

great to see cameron wake and the rookies contribute in HUGE ways. Henne is off to a decent start...has a lot to learn but itll be all good.

[UFCFan]

Henne played a smart game. Numbers weren't anything great but he didn't make any stupid decisions with the football. He looked pretty poised, which admittedly is a hell of a lot easier to do with a running game that is functioning that well. I already love the fact that the coaches are letting him take some shots down the field, too. He was just a smidge off on connecting deep a couple times today.

[TRDouble]

Has TO posioned another locker room?One can only hope. I think people in Buffalo are DYING for TO to go off, particularly on Mr. Flat-line Jauron. What a joke!

[MIAMI 305]

Just got back a little while ago. There were plenty of self-loathing losers (Bills fans) there, but they all went home crying and worried about getting shrinkage once they got back to the cold weather of Buffalo. Henne looked ok, but needs to get rid of the ball faster.

[cochese75]

****, chugga we should have bet!!!!!

thats sucks cause He and I have made bets for the last few years.
Wouldve loved to see him sporting a Dolphin Avatar again :D



:spawnorb:

[Chugga]

If it makes you feel any better I'm sporting a dolphins logo on another message board

[vacacayendo]

next up....NY Jets....

last week, I was a little concerned about this game.... but after todays games for both teams, I feel a little better....

thoughts?

[UFCFan]

next up....NY Jets....

last week, I was a little concerned about this game.... but after todays games for both teams, I feel a little better....

thoughts?

It's ok to feel a little better but I wouldn't go getting crazy. The Jets play a style of defense that is almost guaranteed to give the Dolphins offense fits. The two games last year against Baltimore proved that. If next week goes anything like those, the running game is likely to get shut down or at least kept to a minimum. If defenses can limit Miami's ground game, you pretty much neuter the offense completely. One thing is for certain, though: the Jets defense is not the Bills defense. The Dolphins are not going to be able to just ram the ball down their throat. They're also going to blitz the hell out of Henne, so hopefully the O line doesn't completely fall apart. If Henne doesn't get the ball out quicker than he did today, it's going to be a long day for the team.

I expect a fairly low scoring game just because the Jets offense isn't terribly dynamic, either. I don't think the Dolphins are going to get blown out or anything, but IMO if they are going to win, they are going to need to get some big plays out of the passing game or cause a couple big turnovers (like today's pick 6 by Davis).

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

Cameron Wake FTW

[Vandy58]

It kills me the one week I bench the fins d and I would have had 24 points!!! I was both very sad and very happy today!

[SackExchange]

Why is this thread buried so deep already?

[MIAMI 305]

Why is this thread buried so deep already?

Do the Jets even have a thread?

[Phinfankid]

Dolphins to wear Orange for only the 3rd time in team history. The Dolphins have worn the jerseys in two other prime time contests, defeating the Washington Redskins 24-23 (11/23/03) in a Sunday night contest and notching a 29-28 victory against the New England Patriots (12/20/04) on Monday Night Football.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs278.snc1/10527_141307329610_87132269610_2590348_2646363_a.jpg

Sweet!!! Where did you see that? Now I can finally get a Ronnie Brown custom in Orange and it can be legit!!!:D

[nemo521]

Sweet!!! Where did you see that? Now I can finally get a Ronnie Brown custom in Orange and it can be legit!!!:D

email from the Dolphins

[mmevile]

So my main question is for a certain someone...
Did Ronnie Brown play to your liking?:D Sorry for the delay, just got back from a mini-vacation. But YES, of course the dude was awesome Sunday.

[mmevile]

Do the Jets even have a thread?Prob not, I suppose they can just do what they do in real life: move in to our SoFla area & turn on the obnoxiousness to 'high'. :D

[vacacayendo]

1) its not only via email, it was all over the fins website....
2) yes, the jets fans do move down here and make things ridiculous.

Ill be at the game on monday night sportin my ORANGE ronnie brown jersey....anyone else goin?

[Vandy58]

I will be sporting my JT Authentic orange that night! I wondered when we were going to whip these out again!
Dolphins to wear Orange for only the 3rd time in team history. The Dolphins have worn the jerseys in two other prime time contests, defeating the Washington Redskins 24-23 (11/23/03) in a Sunday night contest and notching a 29-28 victory against the New England Patriots (12/20/04) on Monday Night Football.

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs278.snc1/10527_141307329610_87132269610_2590348_2646363_a.jpg

[Vandy58]

title bump

[Goalkeeper]

LOVE those jerseys!

[Vandy58]

A see of orange tonight!

[Attack2000]

Go Fish!

I really hope its a good game, I don't get to see many phins games.

[MIAMI 305]

Go Fish!

I really hope its a good game, I don't get to see many phins games.

A dolphin is a mammal, not a fish. Go mammals!

[rugbyplayer11]

man the tackling is horrendous

[mewsh1]

WOW, Ginn actually made a play! Nice pass by Henne. Hopefully we can hold on.

[rugbyplayer11]

what a bull crap call. Thanks for giving the Jets the game refs:mad:

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

MAN Will Allen is getting killed!!

[Miami Mike]

The J-E-T-S can S-U-C-K it. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[rugbyplayer11]

THE DOLPHINS WIN

what a great game by the Dolphin offense. Henne looks like the real deal against a good D. I hope this is a sign of things to come

[UFCFan]

The secondary better get it straightened out soon if this team wants to even have a prayer at a .500 season, though. They can be had down the field with alarming consistency. Bad ball skills and poor timing all around. Sean Smith has been solid in coverage for the most part, but the Safeties have yet to show up this season, and Will Allen's regression as a player is a bit disconcerting.

[justapee]

I agree with UFCFan....secondary looks shady.
We got lucky on a few passes. Sanchez & Edwards could've burned us worse. Offense looked terrific. Henne is starting to make me a believer!

[Goalkeeper]

How about Ted?

WOW!

Henne threw a SWEET pass!

[THERAGE]

Congratulations! That was a very good game. The Dolphins offense was very good and the Jets Defense wasnt very good. Nice job, congrats!

[UFCFan]

As good as Henne's bomb to Ginn was, I have to say that his bullet to Camarillo for the first down inside the 10 at the end of the game was even better. It was almost "cream in the pants" worthy.

[Goalkeeper]

Congratulations! That was a very good game. The Dolphins offense was very good and the Jets Defense wasnt very good. Nice job, congrats!

Classy.

That was an AMAZING game...

This makes up for the game on Christmas night when I flew into Miami from StL and watch my Dolphins get beat by the Jets.

[rugbyplayer11]

I think the Dolphins should wear the orange more often.

[cochese75]

would love to see the all agua combo myself.
But really i dont care what unis, i just want to see tonights team more often. Of course with less penalties and DBs not named Smith getting burned



:spawnorb:

[MIAMI 305]

How about Ted?

WOW!

Henne threw a SWEET pass!

I couldn't believe my eyes. I wanted to believe it was Bess, but sure enough, it was the Ginn family.

[Attack2000]

Henne looked awesome out there, the Brown-Williams tandum will be fun to watch week after week. Great game Fish (er ah, mammals!)

[vacacayendo]

I damn near had a heart attack with that Ginn reception/td.

that game was absolutely INSANE...

and as much as Id love to bash on the jets....they played a good game...

parting words = we are witnessing the dawn of a new era in Miami....and that era belongs to CHAD HENNE.

[mmevile]

AWESOME game tonight......although it prob won't be that close if the refs were not Jets Fans. Henne chucks those balls so effortless.

[tatoman2525]

It was a good win for the Dolphins. They are definitely in the divisional race with this win. As much as I want to see them continue to win games, I hope their defense starts playing better, though:( It's funny, for years we had a dominant defense and now it seems like our offense is the dominant half of the team while the defense is falling behind.

[Vandy58]

**** me our secondary sucks balls! Henne is really starting to come out of his shell. That boy is accurate with an arm. If he keeps it on track he will be the stud that everybody hoped he would be! I am starting to get a man crush on Ronnie Brown. I noticed that mmevile said nothing about him, LOL. That pass interference call on Edwards late in the 4th was such BULL ****! Good acting I guess! Oh well GO FINS!

[mmevile]

Not that I want to defend the secondary since I think they're lacking also.....but those horrific interference calls made them look worse than they were.

[progrip]

:( Confirmed Patrick Cobbs on IR with a torn ACL

[nemo521]

does anyone know if the Dolphins will be wearing retro 1966 jerseys (same ones they wore in '72) during their games against the Jets, Bills and Patriots who will be wearing their retro jerseys?

[Vandy58]

does anyone know if the Dolphins will be wearing retro 1966 jerseys (same ones they wore in '72) during their games against the Jets, Bills and Patriots who will be wearing their retro jerseys?

No, the retro is only for the original 6 AFL teams, Pats, Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Dallas Texans (Chiefs), Chargers.

[nemo521]

No, the retro is only for the original 6 AFL teams, Pats, Bills, Raiders, Broncos, Dallas Texans (Chiefs), Chargers.

correct, but this past weekend, when the Dalls Cowboys played the KC Cheifs; the Cheifs wore their Dalls Texans jerseys and the Cowboys wore their Turkey Day uniforms. I just thought when the opposing team is wearing their AFL 50th Retro Jerseys, the other team wears theirs (if they have them) or some sort of retro jersey

[Vandy58]

My understanding was that was an exception because they were once both Dallas teams! I know Miami is not whearing anything retro, of course that could always change but they have made no jersey's for it
correct, but this past weekend, when the Dalls Cowboys played the KC Cheifs; the Cheifs wore their Dalls Texans jerseys and the Cowboys wore their Turkey Day uniforms. I just thought when the opposing team is wearing their AFL 50th Retro Jerseys, the other team wears theirs (if they have them) or some sort of retro jersey

[MIAMI 305]

The Dolphins' pro shop is selling legacy game shirts against the Pats and Jets. Hopefully they will indeed surprise us with some throwbacks.

[mzdaspeed30]

Classy.

That was an AMAZING game...

This makes up for the game on Christmas night when I flew into Miami from StL and watch my Dolphins get beat by the Jets.

i remember that rainy day

[Goalkeeper]

i remember that rainy day

Ugh. You had to remind me! Ha! Ha!

Luckily I bought a poncho before the game.

[mmevile]

Anyone else here (at least just for today) happy to see the Bills win? :D

[ChrisF34]

I was--mostly because my grandfather would be rolling in his grave if he caught wind of that "Fake" Field Goal attempt in OT.

[MIAMI 305]

Anyone else here (at least just for today) happy to see the Bills win? :D

Funny how just a week ago Jet fans were talking about how the Dolphins can only beat crappy teams like the Bills.

[Vandy58]

watch it in slow mo it was not a fake, it was a bad snap. It was not supposed to go down like. Oh well GO FINS!
I was--mostly because my grandfather would be rolling in his grave if he caught wind of that "Fake" Field Goal attempt in OT.

[Phinfankid]

So I am always positive and believe that Miami can win any game they go into...BUT...We are in for a LONG LONG day.

I still think we can control this game with our Running and chewing the clock, but that wont do much if Brees takes a page out of Manning's book and takes all of 3 plays to score.

I won't even get into our secondary. I'm really not sure about this one...

Maybe Sean Payton owes his good buddy Sparano a favor and they can work something out! :D

[UFCFan]

I'm expecting a loss. The Dolphins just don't have the kind of offense that can hang with the Saints if they get behind by more than a TD. The pass defense is a sieve. Not a good matchup at all. The Dolphins offense would be able to run all over the Saints defenses from the last few years, but I'm not entirely sure about this year's team. I do feel that the Dolphins can run on just about anyone right now, but against the Saints, probably not well enough to completely control the clock and keep Brees off the field as much as they need.

If I had to guess a score, I'd say 34-21 Saints.

[Vandy58]

I'm expecting a loss. The Dolphins just don't have the kind of offense that can hang with the Saints if they get behind by more than a TD. The pass defense is a sieve. Not a good matchup at all. The Dolphins offense would be able to run all over the Saints defenses from the last few years, but I'm not entirely sure about this year's team. I do feel that the Dolphins can run on just about anyone right now, but against the Saints, probably not well enough to completely control the clock and keep Brees off the field as much as they need.

If I had to guess a score, I'd say 34-21 Saints.

Here is my pickle, I have had 4 losses in a row in fantasy, this last one was bs. I was only one of 2 people in the league to score over 100 the other guy beat me by 18! Here is my pickle and it is killing me, I have brees:o How do you cheer that? I really want my fantasy team to put the hurt on but that means the fins get hurt. Damn it!

[vacacayendo]

this game is certainly going to be a huge test....Im hoping for a win, but expecting a loss... if we can do better than the g-men, Ill consider us good/lucky.

in other news - I laugh at jets fans. HAH.

[rugbyplayer11]

Here is my pickle, I have had 4 losses in a row in fantasy, this last one was bs. I was only one of 2 people in the league to score over 100 the other guy beat me by 18! Here is my pickle and it is killing me, I have brees:o How do you cheer that? I really want my fantasy team to put the hurt on but that means the fins get hurt. Damn it!
Dolphins before fantasy, that is how I always see it. If I lose my game, yet the Dolphins won. Then it will be a great weekend

[cochese75]

Here is my pickle, I have had 4 losses in a row in fantasy, this last one was bs. I was only one of 2 people in the league to score over 100 the other guy beat me by 18! Here is my pickle and it is killing me, I have brees:o How do you cheer that? I really want my fantasy team to put the hurt on but that means the fins get hurt. Damn it!

you hope he only throws 2 TD but the rest of your lineup blows up :D




:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

you hope he only throws 2 TD but the rest of your lineup blows up :D




:spawnorb:
Sounds good, maybe throw in a third and we call it good. I am trying to get Ronnie in a trade as we speak.

[vacacayendo]

LETS GO FINS!!!! a lot of "football pundits" think we have what it takes.... lets prove that we can!

[Vandy58]

The one game I wanted the D to suck!!! GO FINS!!!!

[justapee]

what a pic by Nathan Jones!!