DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 5-5 SEASON: RUN RICKY RUN, 119 YARDS, 2 TD'S, 1 REC. TD!

[Vandy58]

Why did I say that. I swear to God I am done with fantasy

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Hosed on the Sharper TD, Hosed by drafting 19, Hosed by 19's hands, GRRRRR

[RickyWilliams34]

Most pathetic game ever? I vote yes

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Im with ya...

[justapee]

Its official...we have THE worst secondary in all of football. I understand Brees is a super human QB, but having receivers 20 yds downfield completely wide-ass open four drives in a row is inexcusable. The real Saints offense has finall shown up, and the real Miami secondary has too.
Not to mention the fact that we cannot tackle anyone in the open field.

[Miami Mike]

Most pathetic game ever? I vote yes

It seems to be the status quo. They start out strong and then just collapse upon themselves.

[Miami Mike]

Can we just cut Ginn? I will give them a dollar.

[justapee]

Ginn is a bigger draft bust than Blair Thomas was.
This guy is embarassingly bad.
CATCH THE ****ING BALL.

[Miami Mike]

F Me.


That is all.

[Animal Mother]

Ted Gimp, Jr. strikes again.

[justapee]

Bah. It was a valiant effort and I was pretty stoked at halftime...bummer.
I am happy with the 34 points we put up today though....and that I put Ricky Williams in my fantasy line up today instead of Roy Williams.
whew

[vacacayendo]

I missed the first half of the game, but from what I saw, aside from a craptastic job by our receiving corps, I think this game was a good one for us. We hung in there until half way through the third quarter, and granted theres 4 quarters in a game, I think we did fairly well against a team that is now 7-0.

that being said, I think we need to really work on our secondary as well - giving that much room to receivers is sickening.

and oh yea, fire ted ginn....put him in a box and bury him somewhere.... lets go pull some kids outa high school down the street in miami and put one of them in place of ginn. he is absolutely worthless.

last but not least - tell the refs to get off their knees.....

[Goalkeeper]

Guys,

Two things:

1) W T H?!?!?! Ted Ginn?!?!?! JESUS!!!! I forgive Ricky for the dropped pass being a RB and all, but Ted Ginn needs to GO!

2) Am I crazy or were we in the EXACT same situation against the Jets? What did we do? We ran the Wildcat straight down their throat in the remaining 4 minutes of the game. Milked the clock and punched it into the endzone for the win. WHAT HAPPENED TONIGHT?!?!? ESPECIALLY when we got near midfield with about 3 minutes remaining!!! We could have run it RIGHT AT THEM for 3 minutes and 50 yards with Ronnie/Ricky and some Henne/Pat White sprinkled in for good measure.

Bottom line: The reason we were up was because of Ronnie/Ricky in the first half and we went away from that in the second. Result? A LOSS!

Stupid mistakes, dropped passes. We BLEW IT and handed them the game.

That sucks!

[Vandy58]

Who was calling the plays in the 4th, J-Lo? Is that the new deal, become a partial owner and you can play call? Why the **** would you go to a passing game when you are up and your running game is on fire? Why? What a ****ing joke. Ted Guin is a worthless piece of ****!

[UFCFan]

Chill. They went away from the run because the Saints were bottling it up pretty much from the end of the first half on. I would have liked to see more runs out of their standard non-wildcat offense in the 4th quarter, but it is what it is. That's not the reason they lost the game. The reason they lost the game is because the secondary cannot contain anyone for the life of them. It's simple. When they play teams with a not so dynamic or explosive offense, the problem is masked somewhat andf they are able to keep it to a minimum. Against good offenses, they get exposed. The Colts did it and the Saints just did it. When teams can get such huge chunks right back after the Dolphins offense scores, it is hard to win a lot of games. That one pass to Shockey, where he was just absolutely wide open and then ran downfield for 40 yards with Gibril Wilson right with him, was just disgusting and indicative of the issues in the secondary.

The corners played well, but they just couldn't hold up. That's going to happen when there is no pass rush, as there wasn't for a majority of the 2nd half. The safety play (in pass coverage- they are actually good in run support) is just atrocious.

Honestly, I expected the Saints to come in and blow the Dolphins' doors off. The fact that it didn't really happen is encouraging. Yeah, it is real frustrating to have it go down like it did, but if you focus on the positive, you'll see that the team has a lot of fight in them. Also, for the first time in a long time, the offense seems somewhat capable of coming back from behind to win or at least make a game of it. I agree with you guys about Ginn, though. It is so frustrating to watch him play. You can see glimpses of huge talent there, but he plays like such a friggin' pansy and his he is so inconsistent with his hands. Even that pass Henne threw at the very end should have been caught for a TD (even though it wouldn't have mattered much). The ball went right through Ginn's hands and bounced off his shoulder pads. They really need a WR that can get open, gain yards after the catch, and consistently make tough catches in the worst damn way.

[justapee]

Chill. They went away from the run because the Saints were bottling it up pretty much from the end of the first half on. I would have liked to see more runs out of their standard non-wildcat offense in the 4th quarter, but it is what it is. That's not the reason they lost the game. The reason they lost the game is because the secondary cannot contain anyone for the life of them. It's simple. When they play teams with a not so dynamic or explosive offense, the problem is masked somewhat andf they are able to keep it to a minimum. Against good offenses, they get exposed. The Colts did it and the Saints just did it. When teams can get such huge chunks right back after the Dolphins offense scores, it is hard to win a lot of games. That one pass to Shockey, where he was just absolutely wide open and then ran downfield for 40 yards with Gibril Wilson right with him, was just disgusting and indicative of the issues in the secondary.

The corners played well, but they just couldn't hold up. That's going to happen when there is no pass rush, as there wasn't for a majority of the 2nd half. The safety play (in pass coverage- they are actually good in run support) is just atrocious.

Honestly, I expected the Saints to come in and blow the Dolphins' doors off. The fact that it didn't really happen is encouraging. Yeah, it is real frustrating to have it go down like it did, but if you focus on the positive, you'll see that the team has a lot of fight in them. Also, for the first time in a long time, the offense seems somewhat capable of coming back from behind to win or at least make a game of it. I agree with you guys about Ginn, though. It is so frustrating to watch him play. You can see glimpses of huge talent there, but he plays like such a friggin' pansy and his he is so inconsistent with his hands. Even that pass Henne threw at the very end should have been caught for a TD (even though it wouldn't have mattered much). The ball went right through Ginn's hands and bounced off his shoulder pads. They really need a WR that can get open, gain yards after the catch, and consistently make tough catches in the worst damn way.

I agree with all of this.

[Goalkeeper]

The corners played well, but they just couldn't hold up. That's going to happen when there is no pass rush, as there wasn't for a majority of the 2nd half. The safety play (in pass coverage- they are actually good in run support) is just atrocious.

Honestly, I expected the Saints to come in and blow the Dolphins' doors off. The fact that it didn't really happen is encouraging. Yeah, it is real frustrating to have it go down like it did, but if you focus on the positive, you'll see that the team has a lot of fight in them. Also, for the first time in a long time, the offense seems somewhat capable of coming back from behind to win or at least make a game of it. I agree with you guys about Ginn, though. It is so frustrating to watch him play. You can see glimpses of huge talent there, but he plays like such a friggin' pansy and his he is so inconsistent with his hands. Even that pass Henne threw at the very end should have been caught for a TD (even though it wouldn't have mattered much). The ball went right through Ginn's hands and bounced off his shoulder pads. They really need a WR that can get open, gain yards after the catch, and consistently make tough catches in the worst damn way.



DON'T TELL ME TO CHILL, YOU JERK BAG!!!

j/k

Hahahaha!

I agree with the above 110%.

I disagree with you regarding the running game/Wildcat, though. You have to play to your strengths and the Ricky/Ronnie combo gets your best players on the field, period. Henne, despite last week, just isn't ready to steer the ship to a 4th quarter comeback. On the other hand, I give the coaching staff/Parcells credit for putting the game in his hands. There's only one way to get better: experience. The Fins have shown they have full faith and confidence he's the QB of the future. (FINALLY!)

There's something we haven't mentioned, though: Gibril Wilson. Dude, I LOVE this guy but his play has been TERRIBLE this season!!!!

T E R R I B L E!

He basically has been the Ted Ginn of the defense. I hate to say that but it's true. It's like in one season he's lost everything. He consistently (like, ALL THE TIME) misses tackles and defenses isolate him on the pass. He can't cover to save his life.

And, yes, I know he had a gift INT today.

UFC hit the nail on the head, though. WE NEED A CONSISTENT PASS RUSH! I know, Taylor and Porter have been pretty good but our blitz is consistently getting picked up in crunch time it seems.

What was once a strength is now a weakness. (Defense/Pass rush)

[Vandy58]

Remember when we had Madison and Surtain? Could you imagine if we had a Ricky/Ronnie type duo with Marino? We would have been a dynasty!!! Woulda shoulda coulda

[Phinfankid]

Remember when we had Madison and Surtain? Could you imagine if we had a Ricky/Ronnie type duo with Marino? We would have been a dynasty!!! Woulda shoulda coulda

Well looks like now we have Vontae and Sean Smith! Will Allen is out for the year!

:(

I hope the rookies are ready!

[UFCFan]

I disagree with you regarding the running game/Wildcat, though. You have to play to your strengths and the Ricky/Ronnie combo gets your best players on the field, period. Henne, despite last week, just isn't ready to steer the ship to a 4th quarter comeback. On the other hand, I give the coaching staff/Parcells credit for putting the game in his hands. There's only one way to get better: experience. The Fins have shown they have full faith and confidence he's the QB of the future. (FINALLY!)

Strength or not, the Saints were shutting the run down from the end of the 1st half on. The Dolphins offense is predicated on having manageable 3rd down situations (5 or less to go). They couldn't just run, run, run when it was getting them nowhere because it would have put Henne in 3rd and long situations. They needed to pass the ball to open up the run. They just caught some bad breaks when they went to the pass more (dropped balls, tipped passes at the LOS, etc.).

I also have to question the playcalling on their offensive possession after they recovered the Brees fumble, which gave them the ball deep in NO territory. For them to come out of that with only a FG was pretty despicable, and that is really the last thing they need when going up against a team that can score at the drop of a hat. When that happened, I had a sinking feeling that the game was lost, even though Miami still had I think a 10 point lead after the FG.

[vacacayendo]

NEEDS LIST FOR 2010 DRAFT:

1) playmaking receiver
2) stronger secondary (replace wilson)
3) LBs/DEs/pass rushers/sack artists - bottom line is, porter and JT are getting old - we need guys to work with wake, crowder, etc in getting at the QBs
4) maybe start looking at RBs? Ricky said hes done after the 2010 season....

other stuff we need???

[UFCFan]

It seems a tad ridiculous to be listing draft needs 6 games into the season. That said, I think WR and LB (particularly inside LB) are clearly the two biggest need areas. Wilson is bad at S, but they have other capable bodies on the roster. It's not worth spending a premium pick on. They may or may not need to do something at RB. Ricky isn't going to be around much longer, and Ronnie Brown is scheduled to be a free agent, I believe. There is some loophole that relates to the situation with the league's collective bargaining agreement, though. I could be wrong, but I think if there ends up being an uncapped year next season, Brown's contract won't be up until after next season.

[Vandy58]

I would love to see Bouldin's 81 here

[timmyt]

maybe they should try and convert ginn to a corner, do the opposite of the hester experiment.

[UFCFan]

maybe they should try and convert ginn to a corner, do the opposite of the hester experiment.

We don't need any more CB's who can't catch easy INT's and are afraid to tackle.

[UFCFan]

I would love to see Bouldin's 81 here

I don't think I would anymore. Definitely not for what it would probably take to get him. It looks like he has clearly lost something. He's still good but I think his best football is behind him. What they need to do is actually use a first round (or high 2nd) on a good WR prospect. The team has used a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR only 2 times this decade. One of them was Ted Ginn, and not much more needs to be said on him right now. The other was Chris Chambers back in 2001. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

[Vandy58]

I don't think I would anymore. Definitely not for what it would probably take to get him. It looks like he has clearly lost something. He's still good but I think his best football is behind him. What they need to do is actually use a first round (or high 2nd) on a good WR prospect. The team has used a 1st or 2nd round pick on a WR only 2 times this decade. One of them was Ted Ginn, and not much more needs to be said on him right now. The other was Chris Chambers back in 2001. That's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Chambers did well when he was here. He has been sucking a big one in San Diego. I agree we need a play making WR but it would take some time for the person to become a #1. I don't think Bouldin has lot a step. Warner has not been all that great this year and he has way to many targets. I think everybody knows Bouldin wants out. If he would come at a decent price and not an over inflated price then I would take him and draft a WR

[UFCFan]

I'd love to have him if he came at a decent price too, lost step or not. I doubt he would come cheap enough, though. He's not worth a first round pick anymore. Anything more than a 3rd rounder, or some combo of a 3rd rounder and a later round pick or player, and I wouldn't be too pleased.

The team also needs a good Tight End that can stretch the field vertically. It's become crystal clear that Fasano is not going to be that guy. The front office purposely did not extend his contract last offseason because they wanted to see more from him-well, they've seen what they needed to see, IMO. There have been times in the last few games where the middle of the field has been wide open for plays to be made. I'm talking wider than Lindsey Lohan's ditch...Fasano lacks the speed and athleticism to consistently get open downfield, and apparently now his hands are horrible too. That is the one element that David Martin offered last year that just isn't there anymore. Someone like Jermichael Finley would look pretty sweet in a Miami uniform right about now. Too bad they didn't draft him.

[rugbyplayer11]

I'd love to have him if he came at a decent price too, lost step or not. I doubt he would come cheap enough, though. He's not worth a first round pick anymore. Anything more than a 3rd rounder, or some combo of a 3rd rounder and a later round pick or player, and I wouldn't be too pleased.

The team also needs a good Tight End that can stretch the field vertically. It's become crystal clear that Fasano is not going to be that guy. The front office purposely did not extend his contract last offseason because they wanted to see more from him-well, they've seen what they needed to see, IMO. There have been times in the last few games where the middle of the field has been wide open for plays to be made. I'm talking wider than Lindsey Lohan's ditch...Fasano lacks the speed and athleticism (and apparently the hands now, too) to consistently get open downfield. That is the one element that David Martin offered last year that just isn't there anymore. Someone like Jermichael Finley would look pretty sweet in a Miami uniform right about now. Too bad they didn't draft him.
I agree. I also hate that the Dolphins have never used an early pick on a position they have needed for years. Every year I sit and hope they draft a good WR prospect. I remember when they drafted Ginn and thinking, great they finally do it and they get this guy. I mean we could have had Nicks last year

[cochese75]

That TE you speak of could be J. Gresham from Oklahoma depending where we end up.
early pick i hope we land Eric Berry. Mid round hopefully D. Bryant or Top WR. late round Gresham or ILB.



:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

They could have had Nicks if they passed on Vontae Davis. Time will tell how that move panned out, but when they took Davis, there was no way in hell to tell that Smith would still be there for them in round 2 when they got him. CB was their biggest need. Davis was a very good pick from a talent/potential standpoint. The one I am still really pissed about is Pat White. It is doubtful that he will ever do anything for the team that will justify a fairly high 2nd round pick being used on him. The front office got cute with that pick at a time when there were still a lot of very talented guys on the board that could be helping the team right now. An inside linebacker would have been nice with that pick.

[mmevile]

I was so convinced that when they drafted Pat White that he's going to be a receiver.....guess I can put that to rest now. I'm not quite sure how White fits on this current squad. Who cares about the Saints loss, it's done....I can live w/ that (considering we were supposed to be blown out & didn't) as long as we whoop the Jets next week.

[UFCFan]

I was so convinced that when they drafted Pat White that he's going to be a receiver.....guess I can put that to rest now. I'm not quite sure how White fits on this current squad. Who cares about the Saints loss, it's done....I can live w/ that (considering we were supposed to be blown out & didn't) as long as we whoop the Jets next week.

Same here. That's the only reason I am not too pissed. It does suck that they were clearly in a position to win that game, but it is what it is. I'm just happy that the offense kept clawing their way back to stay ahead or close for a while, and that Henne looks totally unflappable under pressure. They need to get him a couple weapons, though. Games where they are able to get 14 points off of turnovers will be rare.

[mmevile]

I want to go as TGinn this year for Halloween just for laughs: Ginn jersey & hide my hands within long sleeves = receiver w/o any hands. ;) But since I've gone sports-related costumes 2yrs in a row + I can't bring myself to buy a Ginn jersey (even as a joke)....I'll pass -- maybe someone else here can do this. :D

[rugbyplayer11]

They could have had Nicks if they passed on Vontae Davis. Time will tell how that move panned out, but when they took Davis, there was no way in hell to tell that Smith would still be there for them in round 2 when they got him. CB was their biggest need. Davis was a very good pick from a talent/potential standpoint. The one I am still really pissed about is Pat White. It is doubtful that he will ever do anything for the team that will justify a fairly high 2nd round pick being used on him. The front office got cute with that pick at a time when there were still a lot of very talented guys on the board that could be helping the team right now. An inside linebacker would have been nice with that pick.
I was not upset with White because I figured they would use him with the wildcat and add his arm and speed to mess with defenses. They just have not used him like they should. i still think they need to try and throw more instead of once every few games. Running works, but could you imagine White doing a Tebow and running forward, then backing up and tossing a short first down pass.

[UFCFan]

I was not upset with White because I figured they would use him with the wildcat and add his arm and speed to mess with defenses. They just have not used him like they should. i still think they need to try and throw more instead of once every few games. Running works, but could you imagine White doing a Tebow and running forward, then backing up and tossing a short first down pass.

I agree. They haven't even had White attempt a pass since he horribly overthrew Ginn in week one at Atlanta. Still, a high 2nd round pick on a guy that is nothing but a gadget player who at best may play 4 snaps a game is just ridiculous. Right now, all he does is hand off or take off and run. He is too small to really do much of anything at the pro level. It was just a horrible, horrible pick. If it had been a 4th rounder they used on him, then cool. At a high to mid 2nd round pick, though, I am hoping for an impact player. There are still usually several of those on the board at that time in every draft.

[rugbyplayer11]

I agree. They haven't even had White attempt a pass since he horribly overthrew Ginn in week one at Atlanta. Still, a high 2nd round pick on a guy that is nothing but a gadget player who at best may play 4 snaps a game is just ridiculous. Right now, all he does is hand off or take off and run. He is too small to really do much of anything at the pro level. It was just a horrible, horrible pick. If it had been a 4th rounder they used on him, then cool. At a high to mid 2nd round pick, though, I am hoping for an impact player. There are still usually several of those on the board at that time in every draft.
I agree. Looking back the Dolphins could have had Massaquoi, McCoy, Greene, and Coffee. With Williams retiring after next season, we really need another RB to spell Brown and to use in the wildcat.

[UFCFan]

I agree. Looking back the Dolphins could have had Massaquoi, McCoy, Greene, and Coffee. With Williams retiring after next season, we really need another RB to spell Brown and to use in the wildcat.

They also could have had Louis Murphy instead of Brian Hartline in round 4. We'll see how that one pans out. Hartline looks like a player, but his ceiling is pretty limited, IMO. I don't think he'll ever be a dynamic player. He screams Greg Camarillo part 2 to me. Every team needs guys like that, but Murphy looks like the more explosive player.

I think they are ok at RB, personally. A lot depends on whether they re-sign Ronnie Brown, and his status depends on what happens with the CBA. They still have Cobbs and Lex Hilliard, too. I haven't seen enough of either guy to determine anything long term, but there is potential there. Next year, I still would like to see them use a first day pick on a RB. That is tough with other positions that are of a higher priority, though.

[rugbyplayer11]

They also could have had Louis Murphy instead of Brian Hartline in round 4. We'll see how that one pans out. Hartline looks like a player, but his ceiling is pretty limited, IMO. I don't think he'll ever be a dynamic player. He screams Greg Camarillo part 2 to me. Every team needs guys like that, but Murphy looks like the more explosive player.

I think they are ok at RB, personally. A lot depends on whether they re-sign Ronnie Brown, and his status depends on what happens with the CBA. They still have Cobbs and Lex Hilliard, too. I haven't seen enough of either guy to determine anything long term, but there is potential there. Next year, I still would like to see them use a first day pick on a RB. That is tough with other positions that are of a higher priority, though.
I agree with a first day pick, maybe in the second depending on whats there, but I dont think Hilliard or Cobbs are William type players. I really need to see more of them to get a feel for what they can do. I really hope they use a first to get a WR, but I know that will not happen. As far as Hartline is concerend, you are right. Being a Gator fan I would have loved to see Murphy on the Dolphins, but Hartline is just a copy of Camarillo.

[Goalkeeper]

I agree. They haven't even had White attempt a pass since he horribly overthrew Ginn in week one at Atlanta. Still, a high 2nd round pick on a guy that is nothing but a gadget player who at best may play 4 snaps a game is just ridiculous. Right now, all he does is hand off or take off and run. He is too small to really do much of anything at the pro level. It was just a horrible, horrible pick. If it had been a 4th rounder they used on him, then cool. At a high to mid 2nd round pick, though, I am hoping for an impact player. There are still usually several of those on the board at that time in every draft.

I was pissed when they drafted Ginn and I felt like I got kicked in the balls when they drafted White. What in god's name were they thinking?!?!? Pat White in the 4th round is acceptable. Pat White in the second round is insanity. Ginn was always going to be a high risk guy and that's exactly what the Fins DON'T need. We need solid, safe draft picks as we rebuild. Pat White as a second rounder makes about as much sense as Steve McLaughlin in the 3rd round. (drafting a sucky kicker who lasts less than a year in the league)

I agree with what I'm hearing the experts say about the Wildcat. Only the Dolphins can run it. The reason why it works is because of Ronnie's ability to handle the ball and it gives them an opportunity to get Ricky involved... the two best offensive weapons on the team - involved in those types of plays = success. No one else can run it because no one else has that kind of personnel.

Pat White is too small to run the Wildcat.
Tebow is less of a runner than Pat White... and only marginally better at passing than White.

And is there even a question they are going to sign Ronnie? If they don't we're in deeep trouble. And losing Ricky and not having anyone else close to his ability is alarming.

Finally, I agree big time about the WR position and the fact we haven't drafted had a decent WR since Duper/Clayton. Chambers made some sick, sick catches but I never considered him elite. He showed flashes and maybe he was and never had a decent QB passing him the ball. And now he's just too old in San Diego.

I agree about Hartline, too. We don't need two Camarillo's or two Welkers. That will never work.

The Fins always seem to get so cute at WR. They sign an aging vet who best years are behind or guys who can catch (Gadsden) but don't have any speed. Or maybe they have speed, but can't catch... or get hurt. (Yatil Green)

[cochese75]

ugh....the latest SI edition
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5049/fins2.jpg




:spawnorb:

[Vandy58]

Yeah I was pretty pissed when the ruled that a TD. The angle they showed on TV showed it was a fumble but I guess they did not get to see that angle:rolleyes:
ugh....the latest SI edition
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5049/fins2.jpg




:spawnorb:

[mmevile]

I guess the refs are just driving the point that Ginn blows. :D

[UFCFan]

Wow. That picture speaks volumes. Honestly, watching it live, it looked like one of those "bang bang" type of calls, where it could easily go either way. I had no idea Sharper was that far from the goal line when the ball started coming out. What a difference that call going the other way would have made.

[rugbyplayer11]

well, there goes another wasted pick
The Miami Dolphins activated linebacker Matt Roth from the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list and released tight end John Nalbone. Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list on September 5, 2009 and has missed the first six games of the 2009 season.

[Vandy58]

well, there goes another wasted pick
The Miami Dolphins activated linebacker Matt Roth from the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list and released tight end John Nalbone. Roth was placed on the Reserve/Non-Football Injury list on September 5, 2009 and has missed the first six games of the 2009 season.

Did we ever find out was his deal was?

[vacacayendo]

today we must rebound... LETS GO FINS

[rugbyplayer11]

this is what i found



The Dolphins have begun signing their draft picks - inking 5th round pick John Nalbone to a 4 year deal, according to Scout.com.

Nalbone received a $173,000 signing bonus and his 2009 salary will be $310,000. It will jump to $395,000 in 2010, $480,000 in 2011, and $565,000 in 2012.

Nalbone, out of Monmouth University, is expected to compete for a roster spot at tight end - but it won't be easy. The Dolphins have Anthony Fasano, David Martin, and Joey Haynos as holdovers from last year. They also brought in an undrafted tight end to compete for a roster spot.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

Anyone read about some Miami greats killing #19?? I agree 100% with them.

[rugbyplayer11]

Anyone read about some Miami greats killing #19?? I agree 100% with them.
# 19, I dont know who you are talking about. The last person to wear 19 was the great Margin Hooks from BYU




;)

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

# 19, I dont know who you are talking about. The last person to wear 19 was the great Margin Hooks from BYU




;)
I like the way you think, Heck Id rather have #19 that the Tuna used to have, KeyShawn. Id take him now at his age over that waste of flesh from OHNo St

[mmevile]

AWESOME win today. I doubt it'll shut any of the Jets fan -- nothing can make that happen but it sure is satisfying that they can't say any valid cr@p since we own them this year. :D I guess we found something Ginn is good at finally.

[UFCFan]

That was an incredibly lucky win. I'll take 'em however they come, but that was too close for comfort at the end. Kudos to Ginn for stepping up and showing some desire today-especially on the 2nd return where he had to fight for it a bit.

Dolphins O line got manhandled a bit today. The complete lack of a pass rush late in games is really alarming, too. It seems like the defense just can't stop anyone in the 2nd half of games. The Jets marched up and down the field way too easily after halftime.

It's nice to see them win a game they probably should have lost after seeing them lose two they definitely should have won.

[vacacayendo]

it was ugly, but Ill take a win over the jets any day of the week, any way I can get it!!!!

ginn did somethign right....thankfully.

the inconsistencies on our team are really getting bad.....not even from game to game, but from quarter to quarter....oh well....

[MIAMI 305]

Always nice to beat those bastards. Rex Ryan and his calories must be crying their eyes out.

[ChrisF34]

wow, lol. Rex was huge.

Good Job Phins. Can we retitle this thread to DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 3-4 SEASON: TED GINN FOR SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE YEAR

[Vandy58]

wow, lol. Rex was huge.

Good Job Phins. Can we retitle this thread to DOL-FANS UNITE!!!! 3-4 SEASON: TED GINN FOR SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE YEAR

After one game? Nope

[cochese75]

ohh man what a game for Ginn and the Defense. :eek:
Almost lost it at the end again.

Im totally happy with SWEEPING the jets and love how they're still talking smack about the team. :rolleyes:


:spawnorb:

[mmevile]

Time to root against the Pats....;)

[Goalkeeper]

What a win!

Too close for comfort and 21 non-offensive points is troublesome...

But a victory is a victory!

Sooooo happy after all the complaining the Jets did.

[ChrisF34]

After one game? Nope

It's a play on last weeks title---

[rugbyplayer11]

so Chambers has been released by the Chargers. Does anyone think he will get picked up by Miami. He is probably better than any WR we have on the team.

[UFCFan]

so Chambers has been released by the Chargers. Does anyone think he will get picked up by Miami. He is probably better than any WR we have on the team.

On the absolute cheap, I guess it couldn't hurt-although I don't really see how much he would provide at this point in his career. The thing is, the Dolphins would have to waive someone to make a roster spot for him. Also, there's a reason the Chargers just outright released the guy in the middle of the season.

That has to be one of the only two things Cam Cameron did right in Miami (getting a 2nd round pick from the Chargers for him, which became Chad Henne). The other thing was making a concerted effort to feed Ronnie Brown the ball.

[Ju?]

Zach Thomas is still available too.

[rugbyplayer11]

On the absolute cheap, I guess it couldn't hurt-although I don't really see how much he would provide at this point in his career. The thing is, the Dolphins would have to waive someone to make a roster spot for him. Also, there's a reason the Chargers just outright released the guy in the middle of the season.

That has to be one of the only two things Cam Cameron did right in Miami (getting a 2nd round pick from the Chargers for him, which became Chad Henne). The other thing was making a concerted effort to feed Ronnie Brown the ball.
Yeah, I really would just want him here so he could finish his career as a Dolphin. It would have to be super cheap if he gets signed. I dont know what it is but I dont think he ever fit in with the Chargers. He just has never been good with them.

[ChrisF34]

Chambers wont be a phin because he's owed 2.4 million on the year, AND he needs to claim waivers before that disappears.

I'm sure a team like KC, ATL, BAL all would love to get him as a threat.

[justapee]

Ginn was nice on special teams, but still leaves a lot to be desired as a receiver.
Sign Chambers for the league minimum. What can it hurt?

[UFCFan]

Ginn was nice on special teams, but still leaves a lot to be desired as a receiver.
Sign Chambers for the league minimum. What can it hurt?

On the flipside.....how much can it really help? You can't let nostalgia get in the way of smart business. Who would they let go to make room for him? Also, he has to clear waivers first if they want to sign him cheap.

[vacacayendo]

ted played a good game and pulled through on the clutch......I still need to see a lot more out of him though..... and of course, the question is still being begged - a #9 overall pick for a returner.....

as for chambers - Id love to see him in miami.....any help our receivers can get will help us in the long run for the season... itll also give us a chance to see what henne can do with what should be a #1 type receiver...

[Phinfankid]

I guess Chambers for Henne wasn't a bad move my Mueller.

[UFCFan]

Chambers is nowhere near a #1 anymore, though. Even a solid #2 is probably a bit of a stretch. The only thing I think he can bring to the table is the ability to go up and catch balls in traffic or in the red zone. The team sorely needs someone like that, but Chambers drops far too many balls. The Dolphins don't need any more guys who can't catch the damn ball. Sadly, it looks like Bess (who supposedly has the best hands on the team) has come down with the dropsies lately too, probably through osmosis from being around Ginn.

The only two WR's on the roster I feel comfortable with right now are Camarillo and Hartline, and they're basically the same player-sure handed slow guys who can catch the ball but lack any speed to do something with the ball after they haul it in.

How perfect would someone like Vincent Jackson be on this team?

[Goalkeeper]

I would take Chambers in a heartbeat... for the right price.

History is history and Chambers isn't anywhere near a #1. While he made some of the sickest catches I've ever seen from any Miami Dolphin, ever he's never been the same WR he was when he left. I have no idea why, either. Phillip Rivers is 10x better than any QB he's ever played with in the NFL.

That being said, I believe he's as good or better than any WR we currently have on our roster. Hartline and Camarillo should be our #1 and #2 with Bess a #3 to stretch the defense. I don't give a rip if our two white guys aren't speed demons... at least they can catch the damn ball. Tell me what's worse, a guy who has a tough time getting open but at least can catch the ball, or a guy who can get open and drops the godforsaken thing!

[ChrisF34]

You can't just make a blanket statement like 9th Pick overall for a Kick Returner. That was the old front office. There is a reason why they aren't here anymore.

Chambers can bring that veteren guy that Ginns been lacking in the locker room, a guy he can turn to for help.

I look for him to be more of a mentor then a big play reciever in miami, but the price needs to be right. 2.4 million this year is too much. 1 million the rest of the way is a different story.

[vacacayendo]

right now, unfortunately, hes the best WR available..... and while all that yall said are correct (chambers losing a step or two, having issues catching, etc) - he brings the threat that a number 1 could have, thereby (hopefully) opening opportunities for the rest of the corps.

and all of you are right - the price needs to be right for him to come here. I do not expect tuna and co to come even remotely close to breaking the bank for a WR with unsure hands whose on his way out of the league for only another 7 or 8 games (barring us winning out and making a serious playoff run).

I guess we will see by tomorrow evening.

[rugbyplayer11]

I doubt someone will claim him off waivers. There is no team stupid enough to take over that contract for a guy that is not what he used to be

[Ju?]

Where the hell is Patrick Turner?

[UFCFan]

Where the hell is Patrick Turner?

On the inactive list. Don't be surprised if he isn't even activated at all this season. If he is, it will be at the very end of the schedule.

[vacacayendo]

On the inactive list. Don't be surprised if he isn't even activated at all this season. If he is, it will be at the very end of the schedule.

that sucks.....during training camp I thought he was actually doing better than hartline....but then again, maybe theres a reason I dont work within the NFL :-)

[Ju?]

I would think he'd be an excellent target in the red zone.

[rugbyplayer11]

well so much for getting Chambers cheap. The Chiefs showed their stupidity by claiming him off waivers. have fun with that contract.

[Ju?]

What is the point? The Chiefs are going nowhere.

[UFCFan]

They have the money to burn. It's not like 2.4 million dollars means anything to most teams. It's probably a PR move more than anything else-as a way to tell fans who don't know any better, "hey, we went out and got a name player. We are still trying to win."

[Ju?]

Dwayne Bowe is a bigger name than him at this point.

[mmevile]

Best joke from the commentary: "even though Brady didn't like it, the officials still called it against the Patriots". Funny. :D

[rugbyplayer11]

Best joke from the commentary: "even though Brady didn't like it, the officials still called it against the Patriots". Funny. :D
yeah that was pretty good.

I am glad that the Dolphins are able to run pretty well, the D needs to step it up a little more. I wish they would stop them before they get into field goal range

[MIAMI 305]

How the hell was there still a second left on the clock? ****ing bull****! And Dierdorf needs to shut his trap about Joey Porter already.

[Doctaheath78]

How the hell was there still a second left on the clock? ****ing bull****! And Dierdorf needs to shut his trap about Joey Porter already.

+1...............BULL*****.

[RickyWilliams34]

Secondary is pathetic

[rugbyplayer11]

Secondary is pathetic
+1

the announcers keep talking about how the Dolphins are so lucky for finding two good rookie CB. They are ok but they are not great

[rugbyplayer11]

way to go secondary. you guys are awesome

[mmevile]

Alright, the "real" Ted Ginn is back. Henne doesn't learn, don't throw it to his hands....aim for the legs or something.

[justapee]

Ginn is ****ing TERRIBLE.
Bench him.
There's gotta be some guy selling cars or working for UPS that we can sign that knows how to catch a ****ing football.

[vacacayendo]

it seemed like there was little to no pressure on brady for most of the game.....our D really needs to step up.

oh well... valiant effort

[CowboysFanSince82]

And Dierdorf needs to shut his trap about Joey Porter already.
Once Joey Porter shuts his mouth then Dierdorf can shut his.
I watched virtually the entire game and i think i saw big mouth Porter make one play.
(1 pressure on Brady) no sacks,no tackles,no assists,nothing.

[UFCFan]

way to go secondary. you guys are awesome

Get real, please. The secondary played well today. They allowed only one fairly deep completion, and it was a near miraculous catch by Moss. There is no secondary in the league that is going to completely nullify New England's passing game. Do you expect them to shut each and every pass down? It's not gonna happen.

I know most fans need to have some scapegoat or easy target to pin a loss on, but there really aren't any this time. If you guys want to climb all over Ginn's ass for not catching the pass at the end, you also have to throw a little temper tantrum about Hartline dropping one two plays before that. In fact, that was an easier catch to make. The ongoing theme here is the complete lack of a dynamic passing game, and the lack of a game changing type WR.

[Ju?]

Like I said before; Where the hell is Patrick Turner?!!!

[rugbyplayer11]

Get real, please. The secondary played well today. They allowed only one fairly deep completion, and it was a near miraculous catch by Moss. There is no secondary in the league that is going to completely nullify New England's passing game. Do you expect them to shut each and every pass down? It's not gonna happen.

I know most fans need to have some scapegoat or easy target to pin a loss on, but there really aren't any this time. If you guys want to climb all over Ginn's ass for not catching the pass at the end, you also have to throw a little temper tantrum about Hartline dropping one two plays before that. In fact, that was an easier catch to make. The ongoing theme here is the complete lack of a dynamic passing game, and the lack of a game changing type WR.
I dont know what game you were watching, but I thought the secondary was worse than they usually are. I know you are not supposed to stop New England out right, but there was way too many open guys out there when Miami needed to make a stop. The secondary may very well be better down the line but I still think its the weakest point of the team, and until they get some help, it is going to be like this next year.

[UFCFan]

I dont know what game you were watching, but I thought the secondary was worse than they usually are. I know you are not supposed to stop New England out right, but there was way too many open guys out there when Miami needed to make a stop. The secondary may very well be better down the line but I still think its the weakest point of the team, and until they get some help, it is going to be like this next year.

I was watching the same game as you. They gave up plenty of completions, but they were much, much better about defending the deep part of the field, especially the deep middle. They gave their WR's too much of a cushion at times, but it's nearly impossible to play the Pats and not do that. You either play off a little bit, or play them real tight and aggressively and get beaten over the top. They chose the former, and it would have been fine if their tackling had been a little better. There are going to be "open" guys a lot when they play the Patriots because that's just how their offense operates. They excel at spreading defenses out, and Brady can put the ball into very tight windows as well.

The secondary may still be weak, but it's not the reason the team lost today. If blame has to be placed somewhere, place it on the lack of a pass rush and the struggle of the offense to pass the ball consistently.

Another area that annoyed me was the playcalling. On some drives, Henning did a great job. On others, I was very irritated. The wildcat, it seems, does more harm than good a lot of the time. I do feel that it disrupts Henne's rhythm, and they called way too many wildcat plays on first down today. The offense was too often put in situations where it was 2nd or 3rd and long to go. They need to get positive yardage on first down no matter what. Asking Henne to convert 3rd and 10's all game long is a recipe for failure.

[Ju?]

There was a point where they called the Wildcat after Henne completed 4 straight. What is going on?!!!

[rugbyplayer11]

I was watching the same game as you. They gave up plenty of completions, but they were much, much better about defending the deep part of the field, especially the deep middle. They gave their WR's too much of a cushion at times, but it's nearly impossible to play the Pats and not do that. You either play off a little bit, or play them real tight and aggressively and get beaten over the top. They chose the former, and it would have been fine if their tackling had been a little better. There are going to be "open" guys a lot when they play the Patriots because that's just how their offense operates. They excel at spreading defenses out, and Brady can put the ball into very tight windows as well.

The secondary may still be weak, but it's not the reason the team lost today. If blame has to be placed somewhere, place it on the lack of a pass rush and the struggle of the offense to pass the ball consistently.

Another area that annoyed me was the playcalling. On some drives, Henning did a great job. On others, I was very irritated. The wildcat, it seems, does more harm than good a lot of the time. I do feel that it disrupts Henne's rhythm, and they called way too many wildcat plays on first down today. The offense was too often put in situations where it was 2nd or 3rd and long to go. They need to get positive yardage on first down no matter what. Asking Henne to convert 3rd and 10's all game long is a recipe for failure.
I agree it wasn't entirely the secondary's fault. Maybe I was just a little upset with the whole team. We do need to get younger on our pass rushers. Porter and Taylor are def not what they used to be. For once I have to agree that the wildcat did way more harm than good. Henne is not good enough to convert 3rd and long.

[rugbyplayer11]

There was a point where they called the Wildcat after Henne completed 4 straight. What is going on?!!!
yeah, he never gets going because when he does they yank him.

[UFCFan]

I agree it wasn't entirely the secondary's fault. Maybe I was just a little upset with the whole team. We do need to get younger on our pass rushers. Porter and Taylor are def not what they used to be. For once I have to agree that the wildcat did way more harm than good. Henne is not good enough to convert 3rd and long.

Henne has done a pretty admirable job converting 3rd and longs the last 2-3 games. He can't be expected to do it on such a regular basis, though. Putting any QB in 3rd and anywhere from 9-14 yards on a consistent basis, whether it's Chad Henne or Peyton Manning, is not a situation that leads to success most of the time. Henning gets too damn cute with the playcalling a lot of the time, and it ends up biting them in the ass far more often than not. If they want to try the wildcat play where Brown gives it to Ricky and then he tosses it to Henne who looks downfield for a big play, fine, but do it on 2nd and short, not 1st and 10.

[rugbyplayer11]

Henne has done a pretty admirable job converting 3rd and longs the last 2-3 games. He can't be expected to do it on such a regular basis, though. Putting any QB in 3rd and anywhere from 9-14 yards on a consistent basis, whether it's Chad Henne or Peyton Manning, is not a situation that leads to success most of the time. Henning gets too damn cute with the playcalling a lot of the time, and it ends up biting them in the ass far more often than not. If they want to try the wildcat play where Brown gives it to Ricky and then he tosses it to Henne who looks downfield for a big play, fine, but do it on 2nd and short, not 1st and 10.
Yeah, I agree, but they also need to shorten the time it takes to get that set up. The def has enough time to stop it before it even begins.

[Ju?]

Can we all agree that the playcalling has just been horrendous?

[vacacayendo]

1) noone mentioned pat white, but I think he did a half way decent job in the game... it was interesting/intriguing to see him get such a dramatic jump in playing time for this game. Do I think he was worth a 2nd round pick - I simply dont know yet and its too early to tell.

2) unfortunately, as good as henne may be, he/we are gong to be limited in what we are able to do in those 3rd and long situations because we are limited in the weapons we have. I mean, I LOVE bess, hartline, camarillo, haynos...and if he learns how to catch receptions, Ill even grow a tolerance for ted ginn - but until we get that big time receiver, its not hard now for teams to figure out either A) they need to stop our running game, or B) cover the young WRs hard. I love the wildcat, but the reality of it is that teams know whats going on now and know what to expect... and perhaps using pat white more in the capacity in which we did today might add another "look" or wrinkle to the mix - but eventually the novelty of that will wear out...

and god forbid - what happens when ronnie or ricky gets hurt....

[Ju?]

1. I think Lex Hilliard could be an effective back.
2. Once again; where is Patrick Turner?

[UFCFan]

Patrick Turner either isn't far along enough to be activated, or isn't good enough period. Either way, he's obviously not going to be any type of a factor this season, so you can go ahead and forget about him.

Regarding Pat White, he was a waste of a pick. He had two positive plays today, one of which was pitching the ball on an option. The one where he ran it only happened because the Pats defender totally overpursued the play in the backfield. Yippee. I don't see how anyone could be the least bit excited about White.

I also have to laugh about all the media idiots proclaiming that the wildcat is dead because it has gotten more or less shut down for a couple games in a row. News flash, you dumb ****s: it got shut down in some games last season, too. That didn't stop Miami from continuing to run it and have some success in other games. All these dumbasses (I'm looking specifically at you, Phil Simms), want to be so quick to make judgments, but they all have incredibly short memories. The wildcat isn't quite as gimmicky as people like to make it out to be, at it's core. There will still be plenty of times where they find success with it, just as there will be times it gets stopped. Blocks and tackles still have to be made, whether it is a play out of a pro set offense, or out of a "gimmick" formation.

That said, I really wish Dan Henning would pick better times to call wildcat plays, as I stated before.

[Ju?]

Yeah. Especially when the Dolphins need to let Henne get on a roll.

[Vandy58]

Ginn is ****ing TERRIBLE.
Bench him.
There's gotta be some guy selling cars or working for UPS that we can sign that knows how to catch a ****ing football.

This,

[Goalkeeper]

WAY TO GO FINS!!!

I cannot belive that freakin' game! I stepped away for 2 seconds and thought the Fins were just going to milk the clock and all of the sudden the Bucs had scored! WOW!

Henne looked great in battling back from his mistake and I hope Ronnie's injury isn't too severe.

[Attack2000]

really hoping Ronnie isn't too badly hurt. All we can do is wait for the answer.

[mmevile]

It's ugly, but it's a win. But more importantly, both the Jets & Pats lost today....and everything in the world is alright again. ;)

[Ju?]

I do hope he comes back, but the best thing that happened to the Dolphins was Ronnie being taken out of the game. Why? Because it finally gave us a chance to see what Henne is made of.

[vacacayendo]

I do hope he comes back, but the best thing that happened to the Dolphins was Ronnie being taken out of the game. Why? Because it finally gave us a chance to see what Henne is made of.

I 100% agree. Henne looked like a stud.

Disappointed we didnt get to see turner at all though.

This situation with ronnie shows that this upcoming draft is extremely important to us - we not only need a stud WR (or 3), but should also look into a RB (ricky aint gonna be around after next year) AND some folks for D(joey and jason arent getting younger).

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

I 100% agree. Henne looked like a stud.

Disappointed we didnt get to see turner at all though.

This situation with ronnie shows that this upcoming draft is extremely important to us - we not only need a stud WR (or 3), but should also look into a RB (ricky aint gonna be around after next year) AND some folks for D(joey and jason arent getting younger).

+1 Its a damn good thing we hit on both DB's we drafted this year. Thats a major headache taken care of. I hope we go get Boldin in the offseason, he wants to play in Miami.

[Vandy58]

Henne looked really good except for that bone head throw with 1:45 left. I do think though the route was run wrong! Very stupid throw but great game over all! My god Rickey still has it! I just pray the Ronnie injury is nothing serious! It is not a good sign when he cannot put any weight on it!

[mmevile]

My god Rickey still has it! I just pray the Ronnie injury is nothing serious! It is not a good sign when he cannot put any weight on it!Ricky is pretty serviceable, I'm not worried.

[Vandy58]

Ricky is pretty serviceable, I'm not worried.

That is because you have the psychotic hate for Ronnie that makes about as much sense as a mammory gland on a male!

[UFCFan]

Ricky has been running better than Ronnie lately, actually. Ricky has ran with a real burst lately and Brown has looked a bit sluggish. That long run Brown popped yesterday should have been taken for 6, but he got caught from behind pretty easily. I still say Brown is the better, more versatile back, but Ricky is hitting the hole harder and seems to have more breakaway speed at this point.

See, mmevile? It is possible to be completely objective. :)

[Ju?]

I don't think Miami needs to draft a RB. Lex Hilliard looks pretty capable, and Patrick Cobbs is still young. I just hope the injury didn't take it's toll on him.

[UFCFan]

I don't think Miami needs to draft a RB. Lex Hilliard looks pretty capable, and Patrick Cobbs is still young. I just hope the injury didn't take it's toll on him.

I do think they need to draft one, whether they re-sign Brown or not. They shouldn't use a first day pick on one, but it wouldn't be a bad idea at all to take a flier on a good prospect in the 3rd or 4th round, maybe. Williams isn't going to be around much longer, Hilliard hasn't proven a damn thing, and Cobbs is nothing more than a change of pace back. Their whole offense is predicated on being able to run the ball well. It would only benefit them to ensure they have enough capable RB's on the roster to do it.

[fastlane22]

We'll see you guys on Thursday night. We lost our leading tackler OLB Thomas Davis to a season ending injury in the New Orleans game and our replacements were horrible against the run yesterday. Turner had 110 yards on 9 carries through a quarter and a half before his ankle sprain. His backup did very well after that. We won because Atlanta's defense couldn't stop our run and Ryan had delhomme-itus with a bad throw late in the game we picked off. We have a short week to prepare for the wildcat, so I'm not feeling good about the game. Unless you guys turn the ball over, or fall behind early, this game is yours for the taking.

[UFCFan]

It's going to be a real close game, I think. I doubt Ronnie Brown even plays, so the wild cat is either going to be very limited or not used at all. The game will probably be decided by turnovers. I expect a close to the vest, field position battle type of game.

[cochese75]

i think it just means more Pat White running the Wildcat





:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

i think it just means more Pat White running the Wildcat

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_2NEuKgGJyMU/Sa7hpV-RqjI/AAAAAAAAHIQ/OMqhwbDqKps/s400/puke.jpg

[Ju?]

I do think they need to draft one, whether they re-sign Brown or not. They shouldn't use a first day pick on one, but it wouldn't be a bad idea at all to take a flier on a good prospect in the 3rd or 4th round, maybe. Williams isn't going to be around much longer, Hilliard hasn't proven a damn thing, and Cobbs is nothing more than a change of pace back. Their whole offense is predicated on being able to run the ball well. It would only benefit them to ensure they have enough capable RB's on the roster to do it.
Ronnie will stay in Miami. Lex hasn't proven anything in the season, but during the pre-season, you could see flashes of what he's capable of, and Cobbs is exactly what you said, but that's necessary. Dude is a workhorse.

[mmevile]

Ricky has been running better than Ronnie lately, actually. Ricky has ran with a real burst lately and Brown has looked a bit sluggish. That long run Brown popped yesterday should have been taken for 6, but he got caught from behind pretty easily. I still say Brown is the better, more versatile back, but Ricky is hitting the hole harder and seems to have more breakaway speed at this point.

See, mmevile? It is possible to be completely objective. :)Funny, I couldn't have said it better myself. Be careful w/ your words, you might be construed as part of my anti-Brown bandwagon all of a sudden. :p But seriously, (although I don't think he's a #1 rb for a team) I love what Ricky's been doing....he's solid.

[RickyWilliams34]

If Ronnie signed with another team are they going to use the wildcat as much as Miami? That has now turned into such a large part of his game it'd be interesting to see.

[UFCFan]

Ronnie will stay in Miami. Lex hasn't proven anything in the season, but during the pre-season, you could see flashes of what he's capable of, and Cobbs is exactly what you said, but that's necessary. Dude is a workhorse.

I saw flashes by Hilliard....against 3rd team defenses that were worn down late in games. I don't put much stock in it at all. Remember how good Jesse Chatman looked in the 07 preseason? Or Jalen Parmele last preseason? Sorry, but I'm not going to cream my jeans over a breakaway run or two against a bunch of guys who were loading trucks for UPS the next week.

Ronnie staying in Miami is not a given. He is 30 years old and is going to be looking for fairly big money. Parcells doesn't have a history of paying backs big money. Brown is more valuable because of how tied to the offense he is with the wildcat bull****, but I still wouldn't be shocked to see him hit the market.

[vacacayendo]

As much as I hate to see ronnie out, I am somewhat excited at the prospect of having Henne get some serious, relatively uninterrupted playing time.

Ever since I saw henne walk out onto the field last preseason, Ive had a mancrush on him.. hes got the "it" factor to take this team up..... we just need to address our other issues and life will be quite awesome.

in the interim...I am reveling the jets pats and bills losses and am looking forward to a game on thursday night.

[Ju?]

1. Chatman actually played solid during the regular season.
2. Brown is 27.

[mmevile]

If Ronnie signed with another team are they going to use the wildcat as much as Miami? That has now turned into such a large part of his game it'd be interesting to see.I would imagine so.......but I doubt that he'll leave Miami.

[Goalkeeper]

God I love Ricky!!

He's playing great thus far!

Henne has looked decent but has missed a few throws.

Great job by the Fins D! STRONG! 3 sacks and should have at least 1 INT!

Here's hoping we can keep it up and improve in the 2nd half!

[rugbyplayer11]

God I love Ricky!!

He's playing great thus far!

Henne has looked decent but has missed a few throws.

Great job by the Fins D! STRONG! 3 sacks and should have at least 1 INT!

Here's hoping we can keep it up and improve in the 2nd half!
+1

If it wasn't for the D, Miami would be in a world of trouble. They are playing against the run really well and playing against the pass a lot better than they have. Henne has not looked good, but he has not made any turnovers so that is ll we can ask for him right now. He is getting better further into the game, so lets see how he does in the second half.

[vacacayendo]

everyone say hi to joey porter....I think he finally decided to join us in the 2009 season.

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

This confirms just how much we need a dominant DT. Carolina is running between the T's wayyy to easily. Wish we had a shot at Suh in the draft.

[rugbyplayer11]

the D has really slacked off. The injuries dont help, but if they dont do something on offense, the dolphins might lose this one

[MIAMI 305]

Will any of our guys remain healthy when It's all said and done? ****!

[rugbyplayer11]

RICKY FREAKING WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Goalkeeper]

RICKY FREAKING WILLIAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I was cheering/swearing LOUDLY on that run!

[rugbyplayer11]

YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I was cheering/swearing LOUDLY on that run!
I was doing a silent cheer since my son is asleep, but man I was so happy. I have him on 2 fantasy teams and played him. It was like a double happiness. :D

[vacacayendo]

RUN RICKY RUN!...

great game.... for half the game it almost looked like we had a legit passing game..... almost.

but damn proud of my fins.

[NotoriousVesaToskala]

It's incredible that this team is 5-5 with that schedule, they're way better than last year's team. It just shows you how much luck is involved in getting to the playoffs.

[Ju?]

Yeah. That does show they're a better team than last year.

[Phinfankid]

Henne is 5-2 as a starter! I like that stat! I like Ricky's stats tonight better! :)

[mmevile]

;)

[UFCFan]

Are there a lot of you guys in here that don't usually even watch the Dolphins games? There have been a lot of posts on here tonight (far more than the usual amount), and I am guessing it is because it was on NFL Network and most of you don't get to see their games?

[Ju?]

And, what did I say about Lex Hilliard?

[UFCFan]

It's incredible that this team is 5-5 with that schedule, they're way better than last year's team. It just shows you how much luck is involved in getting to the playoffs.

They should probably be 7-3 right now, too, or 6-4 at worst. They are a better team this year in many ways. They just have a much tougher schedule and they haven't caught the breaks they did last year. It seemed like every single bounce went their way last season. I still think they'll end up about where I thought before the season- 9-7. Not bad. If they handle this next offseason and the draft well, I think they should be positioned to contend for the next 4-5 years.

[UFCFan]

And, what did I say about Lex Hilliard?

That's fresh legs for ya. He is a real tough runner, though, I'll give him that. His 16 yard run for the first down was real impressive, especially after he had just done it a play or two earlier when they got called for a hold.

[Doctaheath78]

ummmmmmmmmmm...............THEY ARE 5-5 not 4-5. :)

[Ju?]

That's fresh legs for ya. He is a real tough runner, though, I'll give him that. His 16 yard run for the first down was real impressive, especially after he had just done it a play or two earlier when they got called for a hold.
5'11" 240 and all muscle will do that for you. BTW, once the Dolphins get rid of the deadweight, the secondary is gonna be a problem.

[UFCFan]

ummmmmmmmmmm...............THEY ARE 5-5 not 4-5. :)

Read, dude. No one said they were 4-5. I said they would be positioned to contend for at least the next 4-5 (4 to 5, since I apparently have to spell it out) years if they handle this offseason well.

[Ju?]

They really don't have that many holes to fill in the offseason. I expected it to last the 3 years of Parcell's contract.

[MIAMI 305]

They really don't have that many holes to fill in the offseason. I expected it to last the 3 years of Parcell's contract.

Have you seen how attrocious our defense has been? How about our crappy receivers?

[Ju?]

One draft can fill those holes. Just ask Jimmy Johnson.

In my opinion, the only positions I'm worried about are:

#1 WR (I'm still waiting to see Patrick Turner, and Hartline & Bess are capable receivers, and one game of holding onto the ball doesn't redeem Ginn as a WR for me. None of them are #1s

DT (Ferguson is aging, and Soliai is inconsistent.)

ILB (Crowder gets owned by small players on a weekly basis, and Ayodele is a good tackler, but doesn't have the greatest awareness.)

FS (Gibril Wilson cannot cover for crap.)

[Ju?]

BTW, anybody else notice Henne finally put on a helmet that fits him?

[vacacayendo]

I must give credit where credit is due - ginn was tearing it up last night (and by tearing it up, I mean simply doing his job and catching the stuff thrown to him).

I think my favorite part of lastnight was seeing on tv that every time delhomme got knocked down, my boy #91 cameron wake was right there.

honestly - while watching the game, it seemed like for 3/4 of the game we were a fully functioning team (took a few plays to get started and obviously fell apart at the end). it almost reminded me of last year... everything was clicking.

but alas - a win is a win.... and i am one super happy camper

[Vandy58]

The early posts on Henne are crazy IMO! Henne, I thought, looked great! He was accurate and throwing very smart balls! His little toss on the run in the second to avoid a loss was great awareness. Rickey is a freak of nature, enough said! D looked pretty good, secondary is better but still a big weak spot for us. Joey looked great, JT looked pretty good from what I could see. I am really impressed that even with going through 3 centers in this game we kept our composure, they did what they needed to do for our RB's to run and Henne to throw the ball! Great win!

[Y Ted Ginn Y?]

The early posts on Henne are crazy IMO! Henne, I thought, looked great! He was accurate and throwing very smart balls! His little toss on the run in the second to avoid a loss was great awareness. Rickey is a freak of nature, enough said! D looked pretty good, secondary is better but still a big weak spot for us. Joey looked great, JT looked pretty good from what I could see. I am really impressed that even with going through 3 centers in this game we kept our composure, they did what they needed to do for our RB's to run and Henne to throw the ball! Great win!

+1 and Id add Polite as a bright spot. He at times is just dominant. In the words of Emmitt Smith he just go and blowed people up haha.

[mmevile]

I guess no more sad & worried faces all of a sudden? Cool. :D Buffalo should be an easy win & the Pats/Jets beat up on each other this Sunday. We're still in a decent position to redeem this season.

[Ju?]

I think the new helmet helped out Henne. HAHAHAHA

[cochese75]

great win last night.
Started to think we might have another 4th quarter meltdown but didnt.

How important was the Bell tackle on Williams in the 3rd(?)? Next couple plays Delhomme throws an INT.

Polite looked awesome. Should be a Pro-Bowler. Bess stepped up big time.
I LOVE our Rookie DBs. Great seeing Davis and Steve Smith yapping back and forth.

Hopefully those injuries arent serious.(havent read up on the latest)


Next week should be a Victory.



:spawnorb:

[UFCFan]

The early posts on Henne are crazy IMO! Henne, I thought, looked great! He was accurate and throwing very smart balls! His little toss on the run in the second to avoid a loss was great awareness. Rickey is a freak of nature, enough said! D looked pretty good, secondary is better but still a big weak spot for us. Joey looked great, JT looked pretty good from what I could see. I am really impressed that even with going through 3 centers in this game we kept our composure, they did what they needed to do for our RB's to run and Henne to throw the ball! Great win!

That's why I almost always avoid participating in msg board threads while a game is being played. Aside from the fact that it seems incredibly silly to sit and post things that twenty other people will soon be repeating ad nauseum, it shows just how fickle and dumb most sports fans are. It's the same reason I can't even go on the Dolphins fansites (finheaven, thephins.com) anymore. Everyone is so reactionary on there, and in such an incredibly exaggerated, idiotic manner.

You see slivers of the same stuff in these threads after games, and it's almost as obnoxious. Everyone likes having one person to blame or a single reason why a game was lost. It makes it easy to explain and rationalize that way. It's never just, "hey, the better team won today. They outplayed them."

[Vandy58]

I guess no more sad & worried faces all of a sudden? Cool. :D Buffalo should be an easy win & the Pats/Jets beat up on each other this Sunday. We're still in a decent position to redeem this season.

Buffalo is never an easy win, espcially in Buffalo

[Ju?]

Henne this week:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2009-11/50607295.jpg

Henne last week:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/media/photo/2009-11/50513046.jpg

[Doctaheath78]

Read, dude. No one said they were 4-5. I said they would be positioned to contend for at least the next 4-5 (4 to 5, since I apparently have to spell it out) years if they handle this offseason well.

At the time I posted the thread still said 4-5 DUDE. I CAN READ. DON'T JUMP DOWN MY THROAT WITHOUT THE FACTS.

[RickyWilliams34]

At the time I posted the thread still said 4-5 DUDE. I CAN READ. DON'T JUMP DOWN MY THROAT WITHOUT THE FACTS.

You'd given the creator of the thread what? A couple hours to update it? I'm sure it's not his first priority.

[UFCFan]

At the time I posted the thread still said 4-5 DUDE. I CAN READ. DON'T JUMP DOWN MY THROAT WITHOUT THE FACTS.

My mistake. I thought you were referring to the end of one of my posts.

[Vandy58]

You'd given the creator of the thread what? A couple hours to update it? I'm sure it's not his first priority.
Nope not my first priority!:D

[Goalkeeper]

Buffalo is never an easy win, espcially in Buffalo

Exactly.

The Dolphins are like 2 - 1,345 when it temp dips near freezing. When they play there in December... forget about it!

[rugbyplayer11]

Henne was better than he usually is because he wasn't on his back for the whole game. Despite all the injuries the dolphins had, they did not let him get sacked once.

[Goalkeeper]

That's why I almost always avoid participating in msg board threads while a game is being played. Aside from the fact that it seems incredibly silly to sit and post things that twenty other people will soon be repeating ad nauseum, it shows just how fickle and dumb most sports fans are. It's the same reason I can't even go on the Dolphins fansites (finheaven, thephins.com) anymore. Everyone is so reactionary on there, and in such an incredibly exaggerated, idiotic manner.

You see slivers of the same stuff in these threads after games, and it's almost as obnoxious. Everyone likes having one person to blame or a single reason why a game was lost. It makes it easy to explain and rationalize that way. It's never just, "hey, the better team won today. They outplayed them."

LMAO!

Uhmn, I hate to break it to you but that's generally what you're going to get when you visit DOLPHINS message boards and post in DOLPHINS THREADS on non-Fins websites!!! :p: D

I would grade Henne a B- last night. He managed the game very well as a whole but was definitely hit-or-miss in the first half. He made a couple of nice throws but also missed badly on a couple, too. And I agree with the earlier post about him just dumping the ball to avoid the sack/hit.

I just hope we've found a long-term solution at QB. God I hope that's the case...

Since Marino left it's been a disgrace. Period.

Feilder
Lucas
Griese
Feeley
Frerotte (was decent)
Rosenfels
Culpepper
Harrington
Green
Beck
Lemon
McCown
Pennington (I love noodle arm - got use back into the playoffs!)
HENNE!!

I really like the young corners and the O-line but am worried about losing Ricky and potentially Brown... not to mention Brown can't seem to stay healthy.

The WR?'s Don't get me started. Ginn has to go, and I would keep 2 of the serviceable 3: Bess, Hartline, Camarillo. I'd probably rank Cam 1st, Bess 2nd and Hartline 3rd.

Overall, in Bill I trust. I am happy he will turn this team into a serious contender in the next couple of years.

[Goalkeeper]

Henne was better than he usually is because he wasn't on his back for the whole game. Despite all the injuries the dolphins had, they did not let him get sacked once.

Exactly.

That was impressive.

Didn't they use 3 centers last night?

[UFCFan]

LMAO!

Uhmn, I hate to break it to you but that's generally what you're going to get when you visit DOLPHINS message boards and post in DOLPHINS THREADS on non-Fins websites!!! :p: D

Nah. To an extent it has always been this way, but it is getting worse all the time with the constant microanalysis that is going on, both on tv/radio and on the internet. I frequented Dolphins sites as far back as 1995 and they were never quite as ridiculous as they have become. Hell, even when the team is doing well it is nothing but constant whining on these sites. Every single time any player is released, you have people clamoring for the team to sign him. It's like they think the Madden video games are somehow indicative of how it really works.

Fans are getting progressively more stupid and reactionary. There's no other way around it. I see very few level headed remarks, whether it's on here or somewhere like finheaven.com. There were a ton of people who were up in arms after the loss to the Falcons in the season opener and proclaiming that the season was over already. It's ****ing ludicrous.

[Goalkeeper]

Nah. To an extent it has always been this way, but it is getting worse all the time with the constant microanalysis that is going on, both on tv/radio and on the internet. I frequented Dolphins sites as far back as 1995 and they were never quite as ridiculous as they have become. Hell, even when the team is doing well it is nothing but constant whining on these sites. Every single time any player is released, you have people clamoring for the team to sign him. It's like they think the Madden video games are somehow indicative of how it really works.

Fans are getting progressively more stupid and reactionary. There's no other way around it. I see very few level headed remarks, whether it's on here or somewhere like finheaven.com. There were a ton of people who were up in arms after the loss to the Falcons in the season opener and proclaiming that the season was over already. It's ****ing ludicrous.

I hear ya. I was just busting balls. :D

Personally, I think the team overachieved last season (big time) and I think with them being 5-5 right now is a perfect reflection of where they are as a team. The only time I am a fan-boy is when it comes to Ricky. I was a born/raised Texan and am a huge U.T. fan and couldn't believe Ricky came my beloved Fins. After all he's been through I am psyched to see him doing so well.

Like I said, I am cautiously optimistic but we really have no idea how Henne is going to turn out, if Ronnie will ever stay healthy or if we can aptly replace some aging key cogs to the defense.

[UFCFan]

I think they are positioned to be at the very least an above average team for the better part of the next decade-provided Henne keeps progressing as he has been. When you look at the shape the roster is in now compared to even two years ago, it is pretty staggering. They have gotten infinitely younger across the board, which can only help them to be competitive in the future. I hated seeing a great vet like Will Allen go down, but at the same time, I love the fact that both rookie corners are starting and getting meaningful on the job training right now. They are going to be so much better off for it next year and beyond.

Safety is a concern area, but IMO, it's not a huge problem area that they need to go use their first rounder on right now. Wilson has been playing far better the last 3 games than he was early on, and although he isn't a long term solution, maybe Chris Clemons will be. I hope they get a good long look at him.

For me, the big need areas are LB (especially inside), DL, and WR-not necessarily in that order. They need a big physical and fast WR that can get open, catch the ball, not be afraid to go up for balls, and gain yards after the catch. Their situation at LB is pretty bad, IMO. Crowder is average at best, and at this point, Ayodele is a big liability. Torbor and Anderson are nothing more than depth guys. They need a stud Mike LB very badly. On the D line, theyre going to have to determine whether Paul Soliai is a long term answer there. If not, they need to draft one, and probably in round 1 or 2. They also need more pass rush help. They get pressure at times, but it comes in spurts and is very inconsistent over the course of games. Wake looks very impressive but I'm not sure if he can be more than a good situational pass rusher.